After a 30-pt Blowout Loss to the Bulls, the Nets Defense is a Glaring Weakness

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The 30-pt blowout loss to the Bulls (88-118) was a game to forget but yet it is also a must-remember game for the young Nets team. It was a letdown game after 3 competitive games where the Nets competed hard.

All throughout the game, the Nets defense allowed wide-open shots so the Nets offense could not even try to cut into the lead and the margin continued to get bigger. On the offensive end, only Jeremy Lin played well to attack the Bulls

After 4 games, the Nets need to address their glaring weakness in their defense as shown in their low ranks in the NBA Team Defense stats ranking:

  1. Opponent Average Biggest Lead: Nets is ranked #29 out of 30 at 19.2. Only the Magic is worse with 25.3
  2. Opponent Points per Game: Nets is ranked #26 giving up 110.5 ppg
  3. Opponent 3rd Quarter Points per Game: Nets is ranked #29 out of 30 giving up 31.5 ppg

source: TeamRankings.com

A mix or motion offense, Pick-and-Roll, post-up offense will not have much positive impact if the Nets continue their uphill battle in not being able to enforce defensive stops consistently.

Defense needs to be the team identity if the young Nets expect to compete. The interesting question would be how coaches would enforce the discipline to play defense to all players. Would Coach Atkinson shuffle the starting rotation after 10-15 games if some players cannot show discipline in defensive assignment?

If the issue is not addressed quickly and the Nets do not buy into playing team defense as part of their #BrooklynGrit motto, the season can be lost sooner than later. The good news is this blowout only happened once in the last 4 games but it needs to serve its purpose as a wake-up call.

Jeremy Lin bounced back strongly with his relentless drive and shooting against the Bulls. With fresh legs, Lin looked unstoppable shooting 60% FG (6-10) and 50% 3FG (1-2) to finish with 14pts/4asts/4steals/2rebs/3tos in only 24 min
He could have scored more if he wanted to stat-pad but like a good PG wanting to win, he tried to empower his team. He could’ve had 2-3 more assists easily if his teammates can finish well. Coach Atkinson did not play the starters more time because the lead was too large so he gave more time to the 2nd ย and 3rd unit to gain experience. He might also want to let the blowout message to resonate with his players to play harder on defense in future games

  • asaurus

    yay first!

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Hi

  • Grace

    Players that aren’t doing well on offense will not make a strong effort on defense. At 2 points per game, RHJ is probably too demoralized to play decent defense which is supposed to be his strength. And in fact there is no evidence that RHJ is playing good defense.

  • I am The Jason

    KA needs to adjust his motion offense. Its not suited for everyone on this team. Everyone is not meant to shoot 3’s, but everyone should be able to defend their man. I would like to forget this game but the same mistakes keep happening since preseason. The Bulls just exploited it to a 30 pt victory. Also disappointed KA gave up in the 3rd qtr, This team needs to play like they did against the Pacers every night.

  • sws94

    I think KA will adjust it. Who should shoot 3s? Obvious “shouldn’ts” are RHJ and Booker.

  • takeme2cruz

    Brook too, he should be focusing in the paint.

  • Click Click
  • sws94

    Yes. Maybe an occasional 3, but that’s it. Hamilton, Bogs, and Harris may be the best 3 point shooters, but only Bogs seems consistent now. Skil can take them when he’s feeling them. I guess Vasquez can when he gets back and Foye. Lin has been shooting well from 3, except for one game.

  • I am The Jason

    I can tell you who I am comfortable shooting the 3 ball. Lin, Kilpatrick, Harris, Hamilton, and Bogdanovic. Scola I am ok shooting the 3 ball because he does not just jack it up like everyone else. At least he knows when to attempt it. Everyone else should not. A mid range game would do wonders for this team.

  • HVJoy
  • HVJoy
  • webattorney

    Not renewing NBA League Pass after this season for following reasons.

    1. Often freezes even though I have a fast internet connection.

    2. There are free live streamings that are not too bad.

    3. Not that exciting brand of BB played by Nets.

    4. Lin’s highlights after games can be found here.

  • Yura

    Yea, I watch free streaming and it works really well. I think it’s stream2watch or something.

  • blueCypher

    Streams are good enough, and there are plenty of them. The full game is uploaded a day later as well.

  • Lin Dunn

    RHJ is no match for Jimmy Butler. His defense is not that good even though he said he likes defense.

  • blueCypher

    Do not panic. Not until after 10 games ๐Ÿ™‚

  • blueCypher

    They should win tomorrow vs Pistons, who are coming off a back to back vs Knicks.

  • heart
  • KHuang

    Atkinson should try putting all 5 of his best scorers on the court at once:

    Lin Harris Bogdanovic Hamilton Lopez

    That’s TOO EASY for Atkinson to try.

  • sws94

    I don’t see where that addresses the problem that Psalm laid out. Defense. The team scores. That’s not such a good defensive lineup. Booker is really the only rebounder and he’s not in this lineup. Plus, with Lin, Booker can score. And where is the help for Lin to handle the ball? PFV pointed out in his latest video, Chicago attacked Lin and others dribble. That may become the scouting report for many teams. Try to disrupt Lin’s dribble and if someone else handles the ball, steal it. Harris, Bogs, are not good ball handlers, Hamilton either. Lopez is OK inside but he’s not setting anything up.

    If it was all down to scoring and that was on top of the list, then play scorers. But with this team, it’s not.

  • I am The Jason

    In this lineup, Lin is your best rebounder, scorer, and defender. Booker and Kilpatrick needs to be in the starting lineup.

  • Geoffrey

    that is not a politically correct lineup…

  • PETE B

    We’re desperate for buckets ok

  • Dan cohen

    oh zammm.

  • Dan cohen

    Another of lin’s exteammate is rich! Cody zeller just signed 56 million dollar extension for 4 years. that’s 14 mill per year mon!

  • sws94

    No, the team is way worse defensively than offensively. Yes, they had trouble scoring in game 4. But only game 4.

  • sws94

    Or Foye and Booker. I think Foye better because he can handle the ball some. Kilpatrick’s ball handling is good for driving and scoring, not as good for setting guys up. Foye can do that. Foye’s defense is pretty good too. The first unit needs defense, and RHJ is not providing it. I think Psalm is right. There is a defensive issue in the first unit. I think the offense will be fine, especially once Lin gets better chemistry with those in the unit.

  • sws94

    Good for Cody. Hope he can stay healthy. He’s a good guy.

  • pistolpete

    The NBA advanced stats show that the Nets have 5 players in the first 75 in player impact efficiency. They are Lin (10), Booker(15), Brook (45), Bojan (51) and SKil (74). That sounds like a good starting 5 to me. Limit RHJ’s playing time and please don’t let Whitehead step on the court unless we’re up or down 30 with 3 minutes to go.

  • Win

    Not if KA doing the player development BS again. If KA is willing to play his best players heavy minutes, we would have been either 2-2 or even 3-1. And we might even make it to the playoff.

    If KA and front office’s priority is not winning game but so call developing young players which is the same as tanking. Then the Nets is going to be a laughing stock.

  • Win

    Bottom line, KA should play his best players heavy minutes, compete and trying to steal a game every night. Playing Brook 22 mins and Lin 24 mins will never get them a W. Please stop saying it is a blow out game as Wade had played 29 mins and Butler had played 27 mins.

    The problem is either KA or the front office don’t wanna compete but to develop young players which they really should do it by sending them to the Long Island Nets.

    I have watch more than 15 years of basketball, the way KA has been coaching make me sick.

  • Win

    Good for him. I luv Cody. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Pistolpete

    I think they believe the “experts” who picked the Nets for last place so they’ve decided to concentrate more on developing players than winning. Ridiculous! After watching the 1st 3 games it looks like they have an outside chance of making the playoffs which would be huge in attracting free agents.

  • Win

    I don’t really mind the motion offense as it does take time for the players to get use to the system.

    What matter the most is he is not playing his best players enough minute to give them a W. Sitting Brook in the 3rd game of the season is a joke. I can understand if he play Brook less minutes against the Bucks, but sat out and didn’t even travel with the team? So far KA is a joke, if he doesn’t make adjustment on how to use his better players more effectively, then it is the same as tanking but for no reason.

  • Win

    Yup. If this is the case, how can they expect to build the so call culture if the coach and the front office have already decided to give up the season when it was just started? Also I can’t recall I have seen any coach gave up the game at the end of 3rd qtr when their team was down by 20ish. Lmao.

  • Dan cohen

    If they are 1-10, you will see changes.

  • Dan cohen

    changes that’s for better or for da worsa…and that incluidng us linnafanna

  • aggressiveplayer

    Hm would be interesting to see this lineup. Start Kilpatrick and RHJ comes off the bench. I would like to see how this works out.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I’d say more than 10 games as well.

  • Michael

    I bet mama Lopez could dunk on them.

  • Michael

    Hi there.

  • Steppen03

    Well said! Can’t agreed more. I want to see changes. Coach KA must realize that this team led by JL7 CAN make a playoff push and possibly more. He have to play towards his star players’ strength and above all else – Really Trying To Win. I will give KA ten games to make adjustments.

  • aggressiveplayer

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ea1a380d221a4e76aeb8c8c9bd876b4192e8a37f93817f79837f4b2d4452750.png

    Just posted this on the Nets subreddit. This team has the best combination of +/- and rebounding, though the sample size is still super small.

  • psalm234

    LOL #KnicksvsPistons

    @World_Wide_Wob
    ๐Ÿ”ฅSUPER TEAM๐Ÿ”ฅ
    https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/793600691033997315

  • psalm234

    I agree this is promising.
    Bojan’s 8-reb performance has been quite a revelation that he can contribute on defense.

    Bojan at SF and Kilpatrick at SG will be able to help Lin, Booker and Lopez to start and close strongly.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I’m not finalizing RHJ to the bench, but this lineup looks more promising at the moment. I think Booker, Brook and Lin should be locks at starting, and the other two positions are up for grabs.

  • sport

    Sorry not sure how to interpret this data. So this is suppose to justify what I’ve been saying, bench RHJ, start Sean Kilpatrick. You don’t need 2 SFs on the floor since Bog is also a SF. Lin needs a SG to set him up for more variety of shots and share ball handling duties. KA should’ve experimented with Kilpatrick and Scola leading the bench during preseason. Really not sure what the heck he was doing with preseason.

  • sport

    Like I said Harris or Kilpatrick should get a try as starting SG not RHJ.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I mean it’s still too early to finalize anything, but I’d definitely at least try this lineup if I were the coach.

  • sport

    Even Robin sees this. Can KA just bench RHJ already he is not a starter.

  • sport

    Even starting Harris would be better. Just not RHJ he’s had his fair chance and he blew it.

  • sport

    We can’t score enough with our starting lineup and RHJ isn’t giving us anything on offense or defense! Harris and Kilpatrick both hustle and have more fight on offense than him!

  • sport

    Same here, I tried the free version and it wasn’t very smooth too lagging. Yes and too many blacked games. I can find a better free streaming site than what they offer. Good thing I wasn’t in rush to get the season pass, a real rip off. Also NBAHD has full game upload the day after.

  • sws94

    This team’s issue is defense. It is far worse in defense league-wise than it is offense. If Brook plays the way he’s capable of playing, the starting lineup scores. But RHJ is not holding his own defensively which is why he’s in the starting lineup. I’m not sure Harris or Kilpatrick address the defensive problems and that needs addressing. Of course, the 2nd unit’s defense also is wanting.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Yea, hard to argue that at the moment.

  • tee

    kind of have a gut feeling they are secretly tanking.. i mean if they wanted to win.. why wouldn’t they put their best players on floor for longer periods of time. instead of experimenting in real games or player dev. whatever.. but after the next game.. if its still the same.. i have to assume they dont really want to win.

  • sport

    I’d take my chances of Harris or Kilpatrick because right now no one are a serious offense threats besides Lin and Lopez. With Lopez always being rested or benched for health reason, Lin will be left out to dry. He needs a 3rd scoring options like Harris or Kilpatrick. Bog can’t get the to rim nor has the speed like Kilpatrick does. If Harris gets the start, Kilpatrick should get the “PG” role with 2nd unit (most SGs play as PG anyway) or vice versa, Kilpatrick starts, Harris leads bench as SG/PG. Lin also needs minutes with 2nd unit because they are not effective at all with only Scola there. I said yesterday I’d like to see KA experiment with even a 3 guard lineup Lin PG, with 2 SGs in Harris and Kilpatrick.

  • CJSHYY

    KA likes equal playing time for all…? In fact, Lin already got longest min from this team….

  • lleepar
  • sport

    Except they don’t have any draft picks for years so tanking isn’t going to do them any good. But KA really doesn’t seem to care about winning which doesn’t make sense.

  • YESYESYES

    Piston stadium is 70% empty?

  • Briiick

    I think KA will keep testing the current lineup and “motion offense” for a few more games before drawing some conclusion and making a change.

  • sws94

    Again, KA, Lin, and others addressed improving the the defense first, not the offense.

  • PETE B

    they need to address 3 pt percentage then it’s a good starting point
    3 pt strategy , efficiency overall effectiveness and alternatives

  • Arsenium12 .
  • PETE B

    that’s disgusting

  • grover chang

    I know. Feels like Laker season in many ways.

  • PETE B

    we know KA cares about Lin . so this offense doesnt fit Lin and Lopez or the bench even
    the bench cant function at all against NBA teams , will Foye solve the bench lack of basketball ability? Scola is solid though 1 guy doing things

  • aggressiveplayer

    So the best bang for the buck: Rudy Gobert

  • james brown

    this might encourage RJH to harness his skills more and be competitive on his efficiency. right now he is complacent since KA is not doing any move even when he’s not doing anything on the court and a liability more often than not.

  • grover chang

    Up vote. What the same line up. Warriors could have their death lineup.
    I call this the Lazarus lineup.

  • james brown

    what do you mean by this?
    “But RHJ is not holding his own defensively which is why he’s in the starting lineup.”

    i read it as ..because he is poor on defensive end, that’s why he’s a starter? does it sound logical?

  • james brown

    everybody is seeing what is evident and blatant!

  • james brown

    i think they are not yet in panic mode that’s why they can experiment now…season just started and its logical in a sense that this team lose some games so in order to address the problem they are using development as a reason for maximizing whats evident.(that they will lose more games at the beginning of the season)

    What bothers me is the lack of reaction by the coaching staff when the opportunity to win comes along and the quick waiving of the flag of surrender because of their initial developmental attitude.

  • Epie

    OMG LOL

  • guest

    2 games: Preseason vs Pistons & Regular season vs Pacers. What was so different about those games besides better defense (possibly). Lin was the difference maker when Atkinson let him play with Lopez and Lead the team. Not to just be a Cog in his system, but a leading contributor. I’d rather lose when Lopez and Lin average 14 shots per game, 30min average.
    I’m all for protecting and preserving our starters for the full season, but not when it means sacrificing winnable games because they didn’t play due to Atkinson’s coaching decisions. Forget it’s only one game. Because before you know it, we’ll be losing more of the “It’s only one game”, vs winning “Another game”.

  • guest

    If they get to 1-10, then the season is over.

  • Maknusia

    can I panic now…ooops not 10 games yet! ๐Ÿ˜‰ lolz

  • Maknusia

    How did you derived to 5th combination when the 1st combo had the best +/- and shooting percentage?

  • Rick James

    Yes and Lin is not innit…..well it is the bench unit that brought us back that one game against celtics

  • Rick James

    it’s the story of Lins life. Whoever plays with Lin gets PAID$$$. Except Lin himself who gets low balled again and again

  • aggressiveplayer

    I’m sure you can’t really depend on a lineup like that in the longer term. The fifth lineup is already pretty proven, as it’s been the most played. We’re just changing one variable, which is Kilpatrick.

  • Briiick

    This may trigger the opposing motion offense to them.

  • norah mackenzie

    and lin who is a 6 year veteran only gets 36 for 3 years and people still grumbled about that

  • Maknusia

    3.7 vs 4.9mins are not that far apart but as you said, both are very limited minute to tell a story

  • norah mackenzie

    was that noah?

  • Click Click

    Yes. Noah has the ugliest shot I’ve ever seen. Even worse than RHJ.

  • Click Click

    Some good news: Knicks are now 1-2… got beat by Pistons tonight, whom we’ll play tomorrow night. Detroit will be playing their back to back game and it’ll be on our home court. We’ve beaten them in preseason already, so tomorrow night’s game should be winnable.

    Rockets lost to Cavs. They’re now 2-2. Rockets and Knicks will be playing each other tomorrow night.

    My fav. NY Rangers are destroying teams. :p

  • Click Click

    And people wondered why I was so upset at first when Lin made his quick decision to go to the Nets for a paltry $36M/3Y.

  • blueCypher

    Hopefully, tired legs consume the Pistons ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Click Click

    And hunger to win consume the Nets. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • blueCypher

    I think the following are worth it – Steven Adams, Rudy Gobert , Giannis

  • sport

    Watching these Lin highlights it’s even more obvious that RHJ has to go. Both Lin was able to dish out assist for Harris and Kilpatrick who could get to the rim during fast break. I seriously want to see a lineup with Lin, Harris, Kilpatrick, Lopez, and Booker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a9NBQq4yuI

  • blueCypher
  • blueCypher

    Jazz beat the Spurs.

  • Click Click

    RHJ isn’t going anywhere. He’s basically playing in his rookie year this year and Marks and Kenny love this kid. They won’t give up on him this easy.

    I’ve said many times before the season begun, that I wanted to see Lin – Harris – Bog – Booker – Brook as the starting lineup. This won’t happen anytime soon either unless RHJ keeps sucking for another 2-3 weeks.

    Starting lineups don’t matter too much with the Nets because Kenny doesn’t play his starters actual starter minutes anyway. Everybody is on minute restrictions. Maybe once D-League starts and when Kenny feels like actually winning games instead of prioritizing team unity and player development, will we see him give starters their actual starter playtime.

  • Click Click

    Crazy.

  • blueCypher

    A lot of “experts” are high on the Jazz. Hayward is not back yet.

  • sws94

    He’s in the starting lineup for defense, not offense. He’s not holding his own defensively as a starter.

  • blueCypher

    Is there a stat site to filter out the back to back game for a players

  • sws94

    Lin scores 12 in the game against the Bucks and it came down to a buzzer beater at the end of the game. He had 10 assists, and that’s important. But the team hit 3s in the game, big ones. And Brook didn’t play.

    The team scored 117 against the Celtics. That’s enough points to win. Again, the thread is about defense and I know it isn’t as much fun to talk about as offense. But defense is a higher priority now to fix than offense.

  • psalm234

    Poetry in Motion ๐Ÿ€
    Ponytail in Motionโšก๏ธ

    @NBA
    The sweet jumpshot of Jeremy Lin. #PhantomCam
    https://twitter.com/NBA/status/793248811489472513

  • psalm234

    did you get a chance to check out this reply & basketball-reference link to show split stats (i.e. 0 days of rest)?
    http://www.jlinportal.com/game-4-chicago-bulls-vs-brooklyn-nets-back-to-brooklin-pick-and-roll/#comment-2978363808

  • Click Click

    Robin doing what Robin does best: triggering Knicks fans…

    https://twitter.com/robinlundberg/status/793630331270262788

  • blueCypher

    I saw that. I think it’s different this year since he is getting starter’s minutes.

  • psalm234

    LeBron’s shooting form is slightly better ๐Ÿ™‚

  • blueCypher

    Haha, always poking at the nest.

  • psalm234

    true, the starter and PG role would give different dynamics this year.

    This is for this 2016-17 season but we need to wait for more sample size.
    I would say at least 6
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01/splits/2017

  • Bulldog

    RHJ is not supposed to play at all. He is an offense liability and even lack of effort on defense end.

  • blueCypher

    Thank you, I guess basketball-reference is the best place for this …

  • psalm234

    I can’t wait until Kenny wants to really win.
    Losing badly due to development and/or an incompatible offense will disappoint many fans.

    Even if they want to trade Brook, they would need to showcase him heavily.
    And they can’t use motion offense to create Brook’s highlights

  • sws94

    This is mostly RHJ scoring but it shows him blocking Ginobili on a drive. This is how RHJ should score and it starts with positioning himself correctly on the floor. I think he creates one shot only. And most of the shots are from close range.

  • psalm234
  • Arsenium12 .

    Looks like Luis Scola is going to be interviewed by Woj or one of his colleagues on the Vertical …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/793635042476093440

  • sws94

    Some more highlights of RHJ.

  • Click Click

    Brook isn’t being traded. I’ve said why many times. Not sure why so many people think he’s trade bait when his stock is low and no team wants his $21-22M per year contract for another 2 years.

    If anyone is being traded on the Nets, it’s Bog. But if I was Marks, I wouldn’t trade him either because we’ll have no perimeter threat and no scoring threat other than Brook-Lin.

  • KHuang

    Completely disagree.

    This is the NBA where if an offense is not putting pressure on an opposing defense, it allows opponents to rest defensively and then score wildly on offense.

    That’s why the Nets cannot get stops unless Lin is allowed to create shots for his teammates.

  • Click Click

    Lin >>> Rose so far this season. It’s not even close.

    https://i.sli.mg/wAqMeC.jpg

  • psalm234

    Glad to see all Pistons starters played 32-36min

    Nets should be able to win if they play good defense tomorrow.
    Just run them out of the building =)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ab0fcb44008fc5d12645a21537d26627a8dda4578fd77fe6eb9be51cbff2427.png

  • sport

    So long as RHJ isn’t contributing, Nets will be playing like a 4 on 5 team. If KA is smart he’d bench RHJ. In fact the benching made motivate RHJ to play harder to regain his starting spot because he’s not showing any intensity what so ever.

  • KHuang

    Booker is getting MURDERED every night, Kilpatrick absolutely could start.

  • KHuang

    But Foye has NEVER truly handled the ball in his career.

  • KHuang

    Disagree.

    If you don’t score, you cannot defend.

  • Maknusia

    well said, my friend

  • psalm234

    Bog was ripe for the trade rumor due to his weak D.
    But if he can get 6-7+ rebounds and defend tough players, the Nets would want to keep him.

    I also don’t see Brook being traded unless Kenny really wants to install 100% motion offense.

  • Maknusia

    its too early for head2head…anyways its good to keep a tap on it

  • Click Click

    Yeah, Pistons will be tired. They’re flying into Brooklyn tonight and like you said, they’ve played a ton of minutes.

    We just need to keep Drummond contained and play good perimeter defense. Hopefully Nets get fired up and come back with a big win tomorrow night against another good Eastern Conference team.

  • psalm234

    Yes, the Nets really needs this Win to get back on track after the blowout loss.
    I’m sure they’ll pay more attention on defense and the lone preseason Win might give them confidence to play well.

  • Click Click
  • Brent Yen

    word

  • Pistolpete

    Not trying your best to win every game for the sake of player development is very disappointing and dishonest to the fans and players. I’m sure when they signed Booker and Lin they didn’t tell them that their priority was to develop a 2nd round draft pick over winning. Why not start the season trying to win every game and then if your record is terrible play the rookies more for development? After watching them come close in Boston, defeat Indiana and lose a back to back game on the road at the buzzer it isn’t out of the question that they could sneak into the playoffs. If they even came close it would create tremendous fan support and greatly increase the confidence and morale of the team. Free agents would be much more likely to sign with an up and coming team. There really would be nothing to lose and everything to gain by trying to win first. Listening to so called experts that we are going to be the worst team in the league is just not smart. These experts look at each person individually and decide that whoever has x number of good players will be better than another team with only y good players. They don’t factor in intangibles such as team chemistry because that is nearly impossible to evaluate. Unfortunately it looks like the Nets are going to pursue their plan of player development (do they really have that much talent to develop anyway?) over winning which is only going to lead to disappointment and frustration for the fan base and team.

  • blueCypher

    Steph Curry is just amazing.

  • HVJoy

    ๐Ÿ˜„ lol

  • Briiick

    Player development is one of the excuses. I think the reality is that the HC doesn’t know why the trendy (0th order, LOL!) motion offense is much worse than the traditional elementary PnR offense.

  • blueCypher

    Yup, too early.

  • Pistolpete

    I actually think that a mixture of offenses is good. Of course that would be more complex and take more time to learn than strictly PnR for instance.

  • Rick James

    detroit is a short flight from NYC. Not even 1 hour i’d say.

  • Briiick

    Agreed. But I feel that the HC still can’t accept that the “motion offense” is worse than the elementary PnR. That is why he doesn’t want to mix PnR in it to prove a point. But he may not have the luxury now.

  • Grace

    Malcolm Gladwell does not have the credentials to decide the nature vs. nurture debate. It is now believed by most experts that both nature (innate talent) and nurture (effort) contribute substantially. Do you believe that Lin doesn’t shoot like Curry because he hasnt made enough effort? Why is that some bigs can never learn to make free throws?

    In any case, throwing a raw rookie like Whitehead into winnable, regular season games just to embarrass himself will not help his development and certainly won’t do Lin any good.

  • Steppen03

    Yes, this, I also agree. Like KA never gave up on Lin back in 2012 so he will do the same to these 2nd and 3rd tier players. We only hope they can come together soon and accomplish something great this year – a year that we, Lin fans, waited for the past 4 seasons. #One4All, All4One.

  • T_CHOW_NY

    Hi, new member here.

    I think the Nets and Blazers already have an agreed-upon trade in place for December 15th. The centerpieces will be Allen Crabbe for Brook Lopez, maybe with other minor pieces included.

    (1) Blazers:

    Blazers just had an eye popping offseason where two BENCH swingmen are signed to enormous contracts. Crabbe was matched to $75 mill and Turner was signed to $70 mill. Is it only because Paul Allen is filthy rich and doesn’t care about money, or is there an actual basketball strategy here?

    Blazers have been known to really covet Brook Lopez over the last 2 years. Brook dropped 36 points, 10 rebounds on the Blazers in Feb 2016 and 32 points, 9 rebounds on the Blazers in April 2015. Blazers think Brook Lopez is the missing piece to their postseason ambitions in the west.

    And so, the Blazers matched Allen Crabbe for the express purpose of trading Crabbe to the Nets come December 15th trade date.

    (2) Nets:

    Nets are playing Brook Lopez only 23 minutes a game, and resting him on back to back games. Is it only because Atkinson and Sean Marks subscribe to the Spurs model of resting star players, or is there more beneath the surface?

    Nets want to make sure Brook Lopez is fully healthy to trade to the Blazers come December 15th. I think Brook Lopez already knows this, and is being a good soldier.

    Ideal Trade: Allen Crabbe and Ed Davis for Brook Lopez and Bojan Bogdanovic on December 15th. Salaries match. Nets season is saved.

  • Chris B.

    Doesn’t make sense. If both teams feels that those players can help their respective teams, why not trade them now? Why wait till Dec 15? There is nothing keeping them from doing it now.

  • T_CHOW_NY

    If a player is signed to a new contract over the summer, the earliest time that this player can be traded is December 15th. This applied to Allen Crabbe.

  • Steppen03

    I do like this trade. Very much. But is it possible ??

  • takeme2cruz

    Make a lot of sense

  • Steppen03

    Look at all the promos – not a mention of Brook… Mostly Lin and New Nets.

  • takeme2cruz

    She’s a WOW.

  • Grace

    Really excellent post! I can’t believe Lin is happy with the way things are going so far.

  • Steppen03

    Most likely it’s true. A trade is inevitable. Maybe that’s why coach is not too concerned about winning right now. Maybe he’s waiting for something….

  • pistolpete

    Thank you!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    win-win for both teams. make it happen, Sean!

  • Chris B.

    Hope you are right. That would be ideal for Nets.

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  • grover chang

    I understand your point. But this has been unsatisfying. Like your example, Lin is already that student who worked hard for years and sacrificed for his craft. I’m a Lin fan and this year as a starting point guard his hard work was to pay off.

    Im disappointed to see Lin’s satisfaction delayed for the sake of other players who have not put in as much time as Lin. I’m still a lin fan and disappointed to not see him highlighted so I could watch someone like RHJ waste Lin’s effort.

    I didn’t buy league pass to watch RHJ developed. I bought it to see an already developed Lin show off what he accomplished.

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  • james brown

    that’s what i said also..LOL!

  • james brown

    it was speculated above that the trade was already made with blazer on brooks and probably bogs as against Crabbe and ed Davis…so minute restriction is a way to make Lopez healthy until trade deadline on December…i like Ed Davis but i am still doubtful about Crabbe capacity, and i guess, Lopez is an asset that is hard to replace.

  • Geoffrey

    look at Harden’s numbers tonight in the MDA system. off the charts!

  • Ace Pagoda

    KA is a brand new rookie coach. We know nothing at all about his coaching ability. Sean Marks is new GM who has not led a team. JLIn is a new starting PG who has been anointed leader of this team. We know something about him but he has yet to fully prove himself in his appointed role. It is not yet truly evident what the “plan” is yet. But I believe there is one. Whether or not it is a good plan or not remains to be seen. But as JLin fans we do get to see our guy start and lead this team and I am sure he is aware of the plan and bought into it or would not have signed. So he is going to give KA and SM some time to see how and if it all works out. I trust in JLin’s intelligence and will wait also and in the meantime enjoy the position JLin is in. Give it twenty games for the plan to unfold so we can get an idea of what it is. For now enjoy the fact that our guy is playing and playing very well.

  • CJSHYY

    But like LBJ said before with L… that all means nothing after all…..

  • Ace Pagoda

    And he has. JLIn has played very well. I am happy I get to see him play. This is a lot better to me than watch with frustration his time with LA or playing second fiddle to KW in Charlotte

  • psalm234
  • psalm234

    @JLin7 talks about the Nets’ tough loss to the Bulls and find out how the team is moving forward.
    He also talked about the importance of mental aspect to young players like Whitehead, even for himself as a starting PG
    https://www.sny.tv/nets/news/geico-sportsnite-jeremy-lin-talks-about-nets-performance-so-far/207855828
    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/793694162474315776

  • psalm234

    wow ๐Ÿ˜ณ
    RHJ needs to get better quickly
    Hope his defensive numbers from last season was better

  • aggressiveplayer

    Yea we’re going to need to see more games and time with this lineup. Somewhat of a good indication until RHJ finds his form at least.

  • aggressiveplayer

    We need a win tomorrow. Good thing is the Pistons are coming off a back to back while we’re not.

  • psalm234

    yes, I think the Nets will come out hungry tomorrow after the lack of defensive energy.
    Great to see Pistons starters played 32-36min tonight.

  • psalm234

    FYI
    I’m pleasantly surprised that my 10-game prediction of 4W-6L (last week) is correct for the first 4 games.
    Hopefully the next 2 games prediction of Ws will come true.
    Hornets is playing well but I think the Nets will play inspired to get a W for JLin.
    LWLLMWWLLWL

    http://www.jlinportal.com/ranking-nets-16-17-preseason-stats/#comment-2966925584
    What’s your guess on W-L record & JLin Stats for the 1st ten games?
    5 home games, 5 road games

    Don’t forget to vote for JLin’s PTS/ASTS above before Game 1 starts on Wed
    My Prediction:
    W-L 4W-6L LWLLWWLLWL
    JLin Stats: 20pts/5asts

    I’m guessing a moderate 4Wins-6Losses as the Nets still try to shore up their rebounding and defense.
    Lin’s teammates still learn to convert his assists so he needs to carry the scoring load more: 20pts/5asts

    First 10 games of Brooklyn Nets
    1 Wed, 26 Oct @Boston Celtics 19:30
    2 Fri, 28 Oct Indiana Pacers 19:30
    3 Sat, 29 Oct @Milwaukee Bucks 20:00
    4 Mon, 31 Oct Chicago Bulls 19:30
    5 Wed, 2 Nov Detroit Pistons 19:30
    6 Fri, 4 Nov Charlotte Hornets 19:30
    7 Tue, 8 Nov Minnesota Timberwolves 19:30
    8 Wed, 9 Nov @New York Knicks 19:00
    9 Sat, 12 Nov @Phoenix Suns 21:00
    10 Mon, 14 Nov @LA Clippers 22:30

  • aggressiveplayer

    I thought we were going to beat the bulls but I was wrong. I got everything else right but I wasn’t sure on the Bucks. Looking at the rest of the schedule, everything looks pretty doable except vs Clippers. But then again Blake Griffin sort of trash talked on the Nets, maybe that’ll get guys lit up.

  • psalm234

    Interesting trade scenario.

    I believe the Blazers do have interest in Brook. But I’m just not sure Crabbe/Ed Davis for Bojan/Brook would be a good trade for the Nets. Wouldn’t Ed Davis be undersized as the Nets center (although he’ll be perfect with JLin)? Also, the Blazers have Mason Plumlee who came from the Nets in the June 2015 trade for the rights for #23rd first-round pick RHJ

    IMO this deal would help the Blazers but not as much for the Nets.
    Personally, I don’t think the Nets are ready to give up on Brook and RHJ yet; just as Coach KA is not ready to give up on the motion offense yet. It’s too early to give up,

    Maybe by Feb 2017 trade deadline, if things don’t improve much.

  • psalm234

    I got a hunch that the Bulls had too many veteran experience to be beaten by the Nets in the first 10 games.
    I saw a schedule loss at the Bucks but I was hoping I’d be wrong because the Bucks is not a great team.

    Now I’m not too sure about the Hornets since they’ve been playing well.
    If I got the Hornets wrong, I hope the Nets can beat the Knicks at the MSG but it’s also a back-to-back game ๐Ÿ™ The good news is they don’t have to travel by plane so there’s more hope.

  • Steppen03

    Think we’ve underestimated The Bulls this season – they’re still a very good team with a good coach minus the less effective DRose and Noah. Think they will be top 5 this season – DWade is a big impact but they’re a well-coached team (unlike last season). I think the Nets can win all except the Clippers… My prediction went down from 7-3 to 5-5 now and I’m still happy if we can maintain .500 team – 10-10, 22-20, etc…

  • JoeTeam

    guess for Nets, they see there is time to make a run for the playoffs, so better get the boyz honed up for come game!

  • Steppen03

    Yeah, but it’s very good stat or effort by Harden. He’s truly a beast, an offensive beast. JLin can too but he HAVE to take over games and not just worry about everyone else – carry the team because sometimes they need you to score 35+pt.

  • JoeTeam

    hey takemeback, is that you? I haven’t been keeping up … too busy.

  • Maknusia

    yup…crazy 41pts with 15AST!

  • Michael

    press

  • Michael

    Is he shooting with both hands?

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    He ought to be a bench player behind Luis Scola fighting for his minutes. He can grow much faster that way.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The Nets are not going to give up on their cornerstones. Brook, Lin, Bogdanovic, Booker are going to be the cornerstones of the team. You add on to what you already have as cornerstones. You don’t take risk in trading them away. You take risk to add on new players. Team building should be a process of addition, not exchanges.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    in the next 5 games all i see is WWWWW

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If Lin is black, he will be given time to grow like RHJ but he is Asian, he does not have the luxury of benefits of doubt. Don’t tell me this is not racism because I don’t buy it.

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  • pistolpete

    Atkinson has said that they’re plan is player development this season and specifically mentioned players such as Whitehead and RHJ. He played Whitehead in the 4th Q of a close game in Milwaukee which may have cost us the game because Whitehead apparently can’t handle the ball. RHJ has been terrible in preseason and the regular season and should be on the bench. They sat Brook the 3rd game of the season in a winnable game at Milwaukee. There are many other indications that the’re not going all out to win which I find reprehensible.

  • lleepar

    Weird resting practices. I was looking at last night’s NBA scores and saw that the Memphis Grizzlies lost to the Timberwolves by 36 points. So I checked the game’s box score, and saw that both Marc Gasol and Mike Conley were DNP-CDs. I’m guessing we’re going to see more of these resting practices by coaches — even two starters at the same time.
    http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400899502

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  • psalm234

    Lin now has 12pts/11asts In the Bucks game ๐Ÿ‘

    @linfinity88: NBA has corrected assist stat. Lin is now credited w assist 2 Booker at the Bucks game Oct 29. He had 11 assists now. Lin fans are the best!
    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/793773043340365824
    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/792751784913608704

  • Grace

    Not clear if JLin felt the need to ask if the plan was anything other than to win. Without draft picks everyone understood that tanking was not an option. And did the plan change once Marks failed to acquire either TJ or Crabbe?

  • Grace

    Watched RHJ’s “highlights” and almost every time he scored, even on a layup, he needed 3 lucky bounces. The irony is that if Lin were allowed to set him up properly in a standard PnR based offense, he might be able to contribute and develop. The motion offense KA is insisting on requires RHJ to read and react quickly and shoot away from his “sweet spots.” The result is that he can neither contribute nor develop.

  • KHuang

    Gently disagree.

    The NBA is the hardest league in the world, there are MANY players who who cannot possibly succeed no matter how hard they work.

    I would say that at the NBA level, anybody who doesn’t have fantastic skills AND fantastic physical talent cannot compete.

    If there were so many players that could succeed simply by believing in themselves and working hard, the Nets would not have had so much trouble filling their roster with competent players.

  • KHuang

    My experience is 99% nature, 1% nurture.

  • KHuang

    Don’t be disappointed that other players don’t work as hard as Lin (the hardest working best conditioned guard in the NBA).

    Other players try to work as hard as Lin, but they cannot for various reasons. Their brains or bodies break down.

    Lin is an ELITE athlete by NBA standards, his ability to outwork everyone else is inborn and not acquired.

  • KHuang

    Nice trade hypothesis, but I also don’t believe a word of it.

  • sws94

    Their depth killed us. McDermott, Mirotic, Canaan. We didn’t defend well, Booker didn’t grab a lot of rebounds, Brook never got going. Really good teams have depth. The Nets have shooters, but not really a lot of depth.

    The Hornets have issues. Batum is shooting poorly, MKG is in an offensive slump, and their backup PG, Sessions, is not panning out. But, they play good defense and guys like Kaminsky, Lamb, and Bellenelli add punch off of the bench. Cody Zeller is playing well as is Hibbert.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    why ESPN is not fixing the new assist stats for Lin?…They still has the old numbers.

  • kauaiblue

    Will be at the game! Woo hoo!

  • Grace

    You’re funny. You know that NBA players don’t work out intensively 6 hours a day, 6-7 days a week just for the fun of it, right?

    It’s difficult to judge songwriting/lyrics objectively. But the Beatles may have had an unusual ability to write songs that would be popular.

  • Briiick

    I feel its similarity to McHale/Morey’s “read-N-react” system, both over-simplistic.

  • pero_square

    A lot of eye rolling and that thing he does with his lips. You can tell how frustrated he was about that loss. It’s okay my dude. You will get them next time.

  • Grace

    But there’s a critical difference. McHale/Morey let their star Harden be the man. Kenny is taking the ball out of Lin and Brook’s hands and letting everyone else create equally. Also they play away from their strengths.

  • Dan cohen

    Well if that is the case, da net is dead. Trying to rebuild a player like you said takes weeks and months and by that time, nba season is over halfway. If their plan is not to win and to build, ok, But that’s why no player will want to be with the nets.. players want to win NOW… only scrubbas like to rebuild. They cannot attract good free agency players

  • Dan cohen

    bingo my eggo

  • Grace

    Not sure everyone knows how to read this table, especially not knowing what the headings stand for exactly, but those stats are really horrendous. And he’s on the court for his defense?
    In sharp contrast, Joe Harris’s defensive stats are excellent. But Skil’s have been bad.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Man, you should post this on realgm forum because there’s a few who believe he’s been much okay on defense and from my eye-test, RHJ has looked as bad on defense as on offense….He’s looked as lost as Jeremy Lamb for Charlotte last year.

    He gets picked and taken out of the play too easily on PnR defense and does not close the gap as fast as I would have expected..He’s also not shown good help-defense, which should be a strength for him because of his quickness and athleticism..He’s suppose to be able to help out quicker..I expected him to look close to MKG but this is not so.

  • Briiick

    I agree that KA is a supporter of Lin, unlike McHale/Morey. But their over-simplified systems bear a similarity that everyone can bring up the ball and play like a PG, making teammates play out of strength.

  • Rick James

    Well, nowadays teams can’t afford to put their best players out on the court since they cost the team so much $$$. It’s not worth it for the team to lose their main stars going down the stretch

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  • Rick James

    I’m excited for the hornets game

  • Rick James

    I wouldn’t say that. More than half the plays so far have been PnR plays. Most of the time the offense goes through Lin as well. We just don’t have the talent. People keep bringing up Linsanity in 2012 but back then we had rebound king Tyson chandler, Steve Novak who would have killed curry, Landry fields playing like a top 6th man, jarred jeffries a reliable role player. Even amare staudomire stepped up big time. Say what you want but that Knicks team was deep as h***. The nets on the other hand suk compared to the 2012 Knicks. Even Brook Lopez doesn’t stand a chance against old school Tyson Chandler or Amare.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Chase Budinger is off to Spain, to play for Baskonia. Among his teammates will be Andrea Bargnani, Shane Larkin and Tornike Shengelia (all ex-Nets).
    __________
    https://twitter.com/Eurohoopsnet/status/793858331274338304

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    If they the Nets are prioritizing the future, than this trade would make sense…Crabbe is already someone they’ve tried to signed because he’s young and talented…Brook Lopez is 28, so the Nets may accept based on the fact they are on re-building mode at the moment and while keeping Lopez makes more sense if they want to win now, getting Crabbe would make more sense if they have their eyes only set for the future.

    I myself hope Lopez plays so well and wins games that this trade doesn’t happen…But it could be a case where Marks really wants this trade thus the reason why he doesn’t care about winning games now and this explains resting Lopez for winnable games.

  • psalm234

    new Game 5 thread is open
    Game 5 Detroit Pistons vs Brooklyn #Nets: โ€œA Great Chance to Winโ€
    #BrooklynGrit #LinningTime
    http://www.jlinportal.com/game-5-detroit-pistons-vs-brooklyn-nets-a-great-chance-to-win/
    KEY OF THE GAME:
    1 Can the Nets come out with energy and strong defense after the 30-pt blowout against the Bulls?
    2 Would there be a lot of dose of Brook-Lin PnR to get Brook involved offensively early in the game?
    3 And would Foye (doubtful) or Kilpatrick be able to play some solid backup PG in place of the injured Vasquez?Whitehead just did not look ready being a rookie.
    If the answer is yes, the Nets would be able to capitalize on this opportunity to get the 2nd win in the season.
    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/793867648064819200

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    well, if they want to rebuild, than trading Brook for Crabbe would happen and probably should…I do believe an healthy Brook who is properly use makes the Nets better.

  • grover chang

    Wished they kept him. He knows how to play.

  • psalm234

    he hates to lose for sure

  • grover chang

    LOL. Is Lin calling his team soft. Not Charmin soft is he ?! ๐Ÿ˜„

  • psalm234

    Personally, I think Sean Marks and Kenny want to focus the rebuild around Lin and Brook Lopez. That might explained why Brook went on the recruiting trips for FAs during summer and also explains why they’re being careful with his PT to “build him up”.

    Brook’s offensive talent as a center is truly rare and his style of play still benefits teams in the playoff. Expanding his 3pt-repertoire might also lengthen his career.

    IMO it’s too early to trade him off. Maybe if things don’t work after the 1st year, the Nets might plan to trade him but if the “character” culture is true, the Nets will explain to him first.

    But then again, they might already did it this summer =)
    I also wonder why Brook was not featured as much with JLin.
    That’s a little odd.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Getting Crabbe makes more sense for the future, in my opinion…Lopez is a top scoring center and if the Nets utilize him properly, they should win enough games to make the 8th seed,

    In my opinion, the resting of Lopez seems to suggest more that they are worried he may get injured thus destroying the trade agreement for Crabbe…That makes more sense to me when we try to understand why they are so scared to let him play 30 minutes..They are afraid that he gets hurts and not being able to trade him for Crabbe.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    They should keep him if they want a winning season.

  • Icelander

    Correct – in the rear group of world class people. Roleplayers not sure.

  • sws94

    That’s not exactly what is happening. Lin does handle the ball (and at times he’s doubled or even tripled) and Brook gets his touches. It’s just that when some of the players get the ball, they don’t snap it around to get Brook or Lin in position to do what they do best. I don’t think it is equal touches for all players, but it’s proven the more the whole team is involved in offense, the more involved each player feels in it. What I find them lacking is they don’t cut enough and they settle on way too many 3s.

    Defenses are playing ball denial to either Brook or Lin. KA’s offense has to figure out how to provide the right screens and movement to free them up.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Three Nets cracked the bottom 50 of espn ranking of the top 200 NBA players.

    Bojan Bogdanovic (154)
    Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (155)

    Trevor Booker (163).

    Aint they crazy?

    I guess Jeremy Lin, Brook Lopez, will be in top 200 too

    Luis Scola should earn a seat but wouldn’t.

  • Acbc

    You should read the book called the Gold mine effect.
    Gold Mine Effect: Crack the Secrets of High Performance: Rasmus Ankersen: 9781848313996: Amazon.com: Books
    https://www.amazon.com โ€บ Gold-Mine-E…

    As a coach and as an amateur sports psychologist that has studied the effects of attitude adjustments and positive thinking for optimum performance, I believe strongly that nurture is more important than nature.

    I believe Lin can shoot equally well as Curry, if that’s who he chooses to be. IMO, Lin would prefer to be like Nash instead and would not put in the 10,000 hours to be a shooter.

    Read the book and wonder in amazement at how so many gold medalists come from such small places where as no other schools or community of the same ethnicity and region can produce the same results.

  • norah mackenzie

    yeah – i had to watch it again – so glad that knicks lost to the pistons and now again to the rockets. haha – i am a mean girl