The Heat Scorched the Hornets Selfish Offense Again; Lin Aggressive in Limited Role

For the 2nd game in a row, the selfish Hornets offense kept losing the assist battle in 2 games (20-46) against the Heat:

Game 1: 11-27
Game 2: 9-19

Jeremy Lin managed to be aggressive in his limited role to finish with 11pts/2rebs (2-7 shooting, 7-8 FTs) in 26 min. His +/- of +3 was the second highest for the Hornets. He managed to scores 8 of last 10 points to tie the game 27-27 with 1 min left to go in the 1st Q. He rested with 6:48 left the 2nd quarter with the score tied at 43 but the Hornets allowed 29-17 run as Clifford did not bring Lin back.

    1. With the teamball concept nowhere to be found, the Heat managed to shoot better (58% FGM, 56% 3FGM with 9-16 clip) over the Hornets who struggled with an abysmal 6.3% 3FGM (1-16) and 43% FGM
    2. Despite improving defense with the Hornets winning the rebounding battle (39-35) and the Hornets shot more FTs (37-21), the Hornets was unable to capitalize to steal a win.
    3. Kemba ISO offense was not helping with ball movement and good shot selection to find open shooters. His 12-29 shooting to produce 29pts/3asts was in a stark contrast with an effective Dwayne Wade (28pts/8asts with 11-22 shooting). Marvin Williams cold shooting (0-10) also did not help the cause.
    4. Batum had a severe ankle sprain and it is unlikely that he will be back in this series as Al Jefferson commented
    5. The Hornets could not  slow down Hassan Whiteside 17pts/13rebs with perfect 8-8 shooting. He got into foul trouble with 5 but the Hornets did not do enough to stop him.
    6. Isiah Thomas with NBA TV said the Hornets must figure out ball movement, shot selection and PnR defense if they want to win over Heat.

With the possibility of Jeremy Lin starting, the question remains if Lin will be trusted to direct the offense. It will only work if Coach Clifford asks Kemba not to rely on individual ISOs and trust his teammates with a balanced offense. If Clifford does not make  drastic change, we can expect the Hornets to be swept 0-4 in the series.

The Hornets need to play their brand of unselfish teamball so they can find open 3pt shooters to have any chance to win 1 game.

MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Playoff Round 1 Game 3 vs MIA
  • takeme2cruz

    1-2 it’s alive. 0-3 it’s over. Your call Cliff.

  • cdblue10

    I’m pretty sure he won’t start!!!!

  • CJSHYY

    Right now it’s 0-2 but still have chance….

  • heart
  • takeme2cruz

    after the next game, there’s only one result after.

  • 1mtoldman

    bonnell’s tweet from previous thread is correct only 6% of teams in playoff history have come back from 0-2

    so its 94% over the only question is: will hornets manage to avoid a sweep with a win at home where they have a good record regular season.

    (hello i must be going i only came to say i must be going.)

  • takeme2cruz

    Cliff said above he’s changing nothing. It’s now down grade to OVER.

  • CJSHYY

    I guess bc his boss didn’t say that they need to change…. Cliff just follows what his boss asks him to do.

  • Grace

    I wonder if the players are too afraid of TOs so they don’t pass as much.

  • CJSHYY

    Today’s formula it’s ISO Kemba & Al… like the old Hornets team. That’s it.

  • cdblue10

    Their offense has no structure except for ISOLATIONS and it shows on their total assists on 2 games.

  • Grace

    coach is playing too conservative, maybe?

  • CJSHYY

    My guess Kemba wants to show their old style still can win the game….Too bad, same result as 2 years ago. smh!

  • Grace

    are the Heat top in steals?

  • Grace

    hope they go back to their ball sharing ways next game

  • CJSHYY

    I hope so bc Lin’s family will go to NC to support him. So I really hope it’s time to play Lin’s team ball on Sat.

  • heart

    Rigid or stubbornness to try new things is the word. Someone on twitter said tonight’s offense was similar to their playoff offense years ago when they also lost 0-4.

  • cdblue10

    I don’t know about that category in playoff

  • Grace

    it would be better if he takes a few risks…change it up a little…

  • LOL this response is hilarious

    @russbengtson It’s true, he doesn’t have to make adjustments, he can just go home after two more games.

    https://twitter.com/russbengtson/status/722980206210899970

  • heart

    What? Adi Joseph, a reporter, didn’t know about Cliff’s conversation w/ Lin prior to his signing?

    https://twitter.com/AdiJoseph/status/722994155778093056

  • Good to know Papa Lin & Lin Family will be coming to Charlotte.
    He plays even better with family around

    @manu77728
    Papa Lin & Lin family are on the way to Charlotte to support Jeremy Lin and hope to save Hornets’ series & season.
    https://twitter.com/manu77728/status/722983943947997185

  • CJSHYY

    So I think next game should be back to Lin’s team ball then? Sure hope so… if not then they can stay to help Lin pack….Really to go back to CA.

  • grover chang

    I feel sorry for Lin. He works hard all season for the playoffs, but he hardly gets to play LInball in the playoffs. He missed the playoffs in new york, then injured season 1 with the Rockets, played season 2 Rockets but eliminated, missed playoffs in LA, and now to be eliminated again. His team has made the playoffs four out of five years but he only gets to shine in one playoff game with the Rockets.

    Again I feel sorry for Lin’s hard work being flushed down the drain by bad coaching. The hornets are good enough to beat the Heat. Cliff won’t give them the chance. I pray Lin could be rewarded with some memorable playoff victories. Those type of memories have been tragically absent for someone so talented and deserving.

  • cdblue10

    It’s really hard for Lin to do something if he is shackled by his own coach and teammates,he’s helpless to do something special.

  • zxcvb

    He’s one foot out the door and the other foot’s in Brooklyn.

  • JLin might get a break with Batum’s injury.

    He just need another moment of NJ Nets, Spurs, Cavs, CLE game to shine.
    I can’t wait for Game 3 to arrive

  • don’t forget one big toe is touching Philly 😀

  • cdblue10

    I will lower my expectation because it’s not 100% sure that he will start and be given enough playing time

  • KWC

    Even if he starts, you gotta look at the usage. Like today, he played the entire Q4 but hardly touched the ball. Lots of PT but totally wasted.

  • zxcvb

    My Predictions:

    Game 3: Hornets win with Lin starting at SG. He gets the ball just enough to create ball movement, involve teammates and boost defensive intensity (guys don’t defend hard when they’re frozen out on offense).

    Game 4: Hornets lose a close one with Kemba trying “take back” his spotlight. He shoots 25 attempts, comes up short as he always does against top teams.

    Game 5: Batum tries to play and starts ahead of Lin. Heat win in another easy blowout. Lin stands in the corner as the season ends. Clifford makes the same old excuses.

    Summer: Lin signs with Brooklyn to be the “stopgap” starting PG for the Nets. But Atkinson and Lin reignite Linsanity instead. Between Lin’s starter’s stats and fan votes, Lin is the East starting PG for the All-Star Game…in Charlotte.

  • zxcvb

    Like Twister. “Right foot, Brooklyn! Left foot Philly! Right hand Memphis, if Conley leaves!”

  • Win

    Unless Clifford address his team to play team ball instead of selfish ball, game 4 is the end of this season for the Hornets.

  • All season long we’ve been so desensitized with Cliff allowing Kemba to go ISO at the expense of ball-movement. Cliff certainly prioritizes Kemba over teamball and winning.

    The only hope is JLin finding his stride to keep shooting and scoring like in the Spurs/Celtics game.
    Cliff is not brave enough to force his star to play teamball or run PnR so Lin needs to go Saiyan in this simple read-and-react system.

  • I also got a feeling Cliff would rather stick to his losing rotation of star-centric system than risking to anger Kemba by asking JLin to orchestrate offense

    As Brent said, Cliffy will be Cliffy *sigh*

  • zxcvb

    Clifford is powerless over his team. Kemba and Batum do what they want every game.

    Only chance to win a game is Kemba letting Lin take control. He’s done that a couple times this season (e.g. Spurs, Celtics), but only for one game at a time.

  • cdblue10

    I’m just glad that Lin had enough great games for him to go in FA this coming season.I don’t have any good vibes about this playoff games.

  • zxcvb

    If he starts the next two games, I’m positive he’ll have one Linsanity game and win. But there’s 0% whatsoever the Hornets come back. Kemba is just a loser chucker and Cliff is his enabler.

  • cdblue10

    It’s just sad to witness playoff w/ a big possibility to upset a team like Miami.But it is what is I guessed.

  • Phillycheese

    I didn’t really get to watch the 2q intently to see what went wrong. Was it them just making shots or was the defense not tight enough? Will need to rewatch.

  • sws94

    IT happened in a flash. They just started hitting a lot of shots. Lin wasn’t in at the time of their late quarter run.

  • haha, I guess so 🙂
    If JLin packs things up, it would help to have family members.

    But we know he’s itching to get a W in Game 3

  • CJSHYY

    I believe not just this game 3 bc he wants to deeper in this playoff…. too bad…. smh!

  • Win

    Ok. Cliff , keep on saying our offense is good enough to win in the post game interview can not cover the fact that the team is playing ME BALL.

  • vincent

    Why is everyone saying lin to the nets jeremy needes to reunite with mda

  • Win

    Whe the heck is Adi Joseph. What a dumb ***

  • Win

    I guess because 76ers is a mess. Nets roster is a lot better.

  • CJSHYY
  • Spot

    Soon this will be over. Other 2 games.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Wonder if mama Lin and Joe will join as well. Baby Lin season has over. That’s only my guess! Joe may not but mama Lin???!!!!

  • Wow, 1 more loss to tie the record of 13 straight playoff losses?
    JLin has a chance to prevent the Hornets making a bad history if Clifford is not too stubborn trying to win with ISO-Kemba

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes, 3 if Cliff allows Linsanity 2 happens in one of the 2 home games:-)

  • LinMad

    defense broke, they were swinging the ball and playing with purpose. We started to ME ball. Trading 2s for 3s.

  • ha, I was going to say that 🙂

    Let’s hope and pray for 1 Linsanity game!
    Give the Hornets fans a nice memory of what could’ve been.
    They’re pretty good compared to HOU

  • LinMad

    were any of those when Kemba was injured and wasn’t playing?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    isoKemba happened. no ball movement. no team play. everyone got cold standing around watching kemba. it spilled over on the defensive side. nobody wants to do all the work while kemba takes all the fun on the offensive side. also, clifford stuck with Lee for too long. Lin very limited

  • LinMad

    I do feel like Cliff has Lin in the corner. Cliff has been coaching against Lin making it as difficult as possible to go beast mode. I mean Lee played 41 minutes today and Lin only played 26. It’s crazy how Batum go injured in 3rd quarter but has 7 minutes more than Lin for his entire game. Cliff’s player management is bad.

  • JFirst

    Cliff must be happy and proud. Team managed to cut the deficit by more than half from 32 in Game One to 12 in Game Two. Next goal: Cut it down further to a single digit

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    if Lin starts because of Batum is out, then Lin will force Linsanity for at least one game

  • A beautiful #CHAvsMIA illustration by #Asur
    Hopefully #Hornets can play some #teamball to come back from 0-2

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/723019801786900485

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    are you serious?

  • Spot

    They just want to pump up Kemba’s and Batum’s stats in play-off.

    Nothing more, nothing less

  • LinMad

    Lin probably feels disrespected by Cliff. I mean here is Lin attending optional practices by himself cause he wants to win, and he shoots 7 times only with only 26 minutes of playing time (most of which was basically doing nothing but watch Kemba).

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    What’s new with Cliff!!!!!????? I’m so tired of Cliff and Hornets. Can’t wait for JLin Asia trip + FA.

  • Ironically, the small Hornet is sadly about to be engulfed by the scorching Heat 🙁

  • KL

    Sounds very plausible given their history.

  • LinMad

    We should have won this game if it was coached better. We are playing too much me ball.

  • KL

    Against Cleveland Lin played and led them to a victory. Only game Kemba has sat out this season.

  • LinMad

    well Batum is out now so it’s only Kemba that Cliff will try to promote. I expect Kemba to shoot 40 times game 3 and lose by 50 pts at home court. I wish this happens. I bet a lot of fans will notice what’s wrong with this coach/stars.

  • james brown

    let them be..

    we wait for jlin decision come FA

  • james brown

    That’s why cliff defending the offense for KW ball, while focusing the deficiency of defense because he point it to jlin to defend well

  • Batum is in heavy boot now
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BEcp6xcsCtj/

  • james brown

    a glimmer of hope given by jlin and we will see that cliff and KW immediately try to jump in for them to shine

  • CJSHYY

    I hope not I always believe they can go deeper than just first round. Really disappointed so far…. I hope game 3 they can back to Lin’s team ball & get a W.

  • james brown

    lin go ROUGE???

  • james brown

    stubborn even when wrong!
    lots of people like that, not only cliff

  • james brown

    either will do provided the team allow jlin to hold the key!

  • JFirst

    You’re seriously asking me if I’m serious? A loss is a loss, be it by 1 pt, 20 pts or 30-40 pts!

  • CJSHYY

    Looks bad, don’t think he can come back vs Heat for the rest of games.

  • grover chang

    I imagine Jordan well be courtside next game. As an owner I wonder how it feels to have a team no one even talks about. The hornets are in the playoffs and the rest of the nba doesn’t even care. Their performance has been that unnoticeable.

  • leeda harun

    we all know the owner doesnt care…

  • TTNN

    So, what does it mean he was trying to post Winslow up outside of 3pt line? Who post up that far from the basket?

  • Steppen03

    Wow!!! That’s something. Best wishes to you, my friend.

  • Nicely done!

  • zxcvb

    They used the right photo.

  • zxcvb

    1) Sixers might not hire MDA and Atkinson was “pro-Lin” even before MDA.
    2) Sixers have the lottery picks to draft a highly touted PG.
    3) Nets have no 1st rd picks until 2019 and no good trade assets. They need Lin more than Philly.

  • CJSHYY

    They couldn’t use Lin this time bc he’s here less than 1 yr. LOL!

  • good question. Batum probably just didn’t want to get the ball stolen

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Believe I saw a tweet Al said that he didn’t believe Batum was able to return to the series.

  • PETE B

    imo the nba has noticed bc they wanted to see a competitive series and have seen the opposite, Jeff Van Gundy was anticipating these games bc the east records were even 3 through 6 . i would say the failure has been noticed and the repurcussions will mount for Clifford and MJ , among Zach Lowe types and Real GM NBA communities

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Agree…Nets needs Lin much more.

    I see Sixers drafting a PG since they’ve been drafting front court players in the previous 3 draft…and while a user on here likes to point out that Colengelo will never play a rookie, I strongly believe if they draft a PG, this guy will most likely start…In that case, it is a bad idea for Lin to go play for a team that has drafted a PG as their lottery pick…Sixers will be under pressure to play the rookie PG so he can develop.

  • John Focker

    small Hornet == Kemba. Small size, small mind.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I don’t think Clifford will start Lin because MIA has too much size…Lin hasn’t done a good job on Wade so far so I doubt Clifford would allow Lin to guard Wade for so much minutes.

    I think Clifford would move Marvin to the 3 to eliminate the size factor and probably start Hawes or Kaminsky…Starting Jefferson may kill spacing for the starting unit..If Al start, Cody has to go to the bench.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    So quickly two teams have hired a new head coach. Good! Let’s see about others.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    ahh. sarcasm

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Let’s see how hornets could win big games with Walker.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Couldn’t agree more。
    Lin is the best choice for the Nets and I believe Jeremy could make the Nets a playoff team and 76ers realistically would need more time to clean up the mess. Brett Brown will eventually be responsible for the losses despite having more helping.
    As for now, Atkinson and the Nets could be the best choice for Lin if the team offers a decent contract. If not, life goes on. Lin still have other options.

  • Acbc

    This is much more a reflection of how bad a system Clifford runs. A player outside that far should be able to easily pass around the perimeter. That however can only happens if players move and avail themselves of line of sight for outlet passes. The stand still stagnant half court offence Cliffrod runs or maybe “walks” is so easy to defend that to protect the ball, you need to post up.

    PRETTY SAD.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    What would the Hornets be without Lin this season?
    How many more games would they lose.
    To win with Walker is so funny. LOL.
    Just back it up with fact! I dare you, Walker fans。

  • BobbyH

    I like the last part. That would be very ironic.

  • BobbyH

    2 more games, and we should leave Hornets alone with their own KW ways. A forgettable team with a mediocre coach and a All-Star wannabe.

  • cdblue10

    How about Lin to Timberwolves?

  • JE Ballew

    Lin WONT START. Cliffy and Walker would rather go out in four that take a chance on LINSANITY rearing it’s UGLY HEAD.

  • JE Ballew

    Walker will play 48 minutes.

  • KL

    Frankly it is not as simple as starting Lin or giving Lin more minutes. Cliff is already stuck with Kemba ball. Every player in the roster, the entire rotation as well as every part of the offensive and defensive structures, have been built around Kemba Walker.

    If there is any doubt about the Hornet’s support for Kemba, just look at the over-the-top MIP video which was played during AWAY games. Kemba with his multi-year contract is exactly the kind of player “who could get Cliff fired” whilst Lin is perceived as a 1 year rental.

    So I maintain that Kemba is Harden Lite. Yes he can score and yes he deserves some credit. Just not too much credit, because this season is likely to represent his career best. There is no way you could pour even more support onto Kemba. And yet the playoffs have exposed all the limitations of Kemba ball.

    It really makes me wonder how much Lin can achieve if everything was built around him and his strengths. We saw it briefly with D’Antoni. We even caught glimpses of it over the years when Harden was injured, in Bench Force One (sigh – Lamb, Kaminsky, Hansbrough would have been sweet).

    Lin deserves better. We debate his future and I am keen to support him no matter what. He has earned our long term support already. But I am sitting on the edge of my seat wondering what is next.

  • Nolimitation

    Didn’t watch the game, but I knew some how the outcome would be like game 1. Clifford would probably wait till game 4 when the hornets are down 0-3 for Linsanity to start. And even then we dont know which Linsanity will show up. Sometimes he needs at least a game or 2 to warm up.

  • Nolimitation

    Couldn’t agree more, we have yet to see a team fully built around Lin. So far the knicks comes as close, but we can say he was there at the right place at the right time.

  • CJSHYY

    Well said. — Frankly it is not as simple as starting Lin or giving Lin more minutes. Cliff is already stuck with Kemba ball.

    Start or not it means nothing now bc like last night it’s either Kemba or Al even Lin was on court w them so what? Even Cliff it’s not really smart coach but I believe whatever we said he knew but the problem is he just couldn’t do it…. I don’t get why MJ would rather lose the game then asked Kemba just stop ISO & play team ball? This is playoff game not that many left….. smh!

  • heart
  • sws94

    To be honest, there was a lot of Alfense. Where was all of this Kemba-ball?

    Lin’s said he has become a better player because the offense isn’t built around him. It shouldn’t be expected the offense be built around Lin, that happened once because of a particular coach’s style of coaching and his star post-up player being injured. Nowhere else. I think Lin should have his fair amount of touches and plays ran for him, but a whole offense built around Lin when other talented players are on the Hornets doesn’t seem realistic to me.

    Lin can’t win games alone. The Hornets need regular production out of guys like Marvin Williams who has disappeared.

    Whiteside is killing the Hornets. Only Al is scoring as well as Whiteside but doesn’t have his defensive presence.
    Their rookies are killing the Hornets rookies. Richardson and Winslow are a lot more productive than Frank, who is the Hornets rookies. The Hornets aren’t playing Lamb. The Hornets didn’t play Daniels last night. Batum didn’t give the Hornets much of a game last night and then got injured. Kemba needed to score, and he did. He didn’t play well at the end of the game, but Lin didn’t play a particularly impressive 4th quarter either. On Miami, Deng, Dragic, Johnson are all contributing. Dragic is contributing. Not a lot of Hornets players are contributing, and Lin is one of the more productive ones. He’ll have to be even more productive next game.

    If the pattern of many Lin fans is to say, it’s the ball-dominators fault for so much, then I think that will continue on to any team Lin is on. Lin can thrive with the ball-dominators if and when he chooses to go in super-attack mode. Otherwise, the mentality of the ball-dominators is to do everything themselves. You have to show them you can do it too, otherwise, that’s their mentality and personality and what they’ll do.

    Lillard put up some 20 something shots and hit 7 last night. Durant went 7-33 another night. The big scorers sometimes put up a lot of shots and try to do everything themselves. And no, Lillard and Durant having won anything. I’m not saying they are winners. Just that big-scorers shoot a lot.

  • CJSHYY

    In game 2, Kemba ISO too much, why our rookie, Lin or whoever on court couldn’t do too much or well bc they didn’t have the chance to take the shots. Last night it’s really just Kemba & Al show everything back to 2 years ago. It’s them only.

  • Res 683

    Clifford says in the playoffs you put your best players on the court and give them a lot of minutes. Apparently Lin isn’t one of them. And this is a player who has proven to be clutch time and time again. In the meantime, in Game 2, Batum plays the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters, and starts the 4th before re-injuring his ankle. Yep, a lot of minutes.

    After two losses, Clifford continues to defend his game plan. Kemba says it is an “awesome plan” — a plan, BTW, that has allowed the Heat to set scoring records in both games. And playoffs-iso-Kemba is either incapable of, or unwilling to, create for his teammates – especially against the third ranked defensive team in the NBA. 4 assists in 74 minutes is pathetic. Kemba’s version of orchestrating the offense is handing it off to Batum or Jefferson. That is, when he is not going iso. Or a defensive liability on the other end of the court. And while the team’s best orchestrator, Lin, is sitting on the bench.

    Perhaps Lin will come to the rescue with Batum out. That is, if he is given the opportunity to run the offense. Then it’s on to the offseason, and Lin can say “hasta la vista, baby!” to the Hornets and Clifford.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    IF 39 SHOTS ISN’T KEMBA BALL I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS

  • sws94

    But he also needed to score because the team was down. Lin didn’t take enough shots or drive to the rim enough overall. Team mates didn’t look for each other enough would be my criticism of the others. Kemba and Al were the ones producing the most points but that’s fools gold because it won’t win games. But Lin not driving to the rim and creating havoc and getting to the line is not the Lin that will win games either. Lin needed to do more in the second half, Kemba needed to move the ball and work with his others, other team mates needed to make plays. I don’t put it all on Kemba. He gets some heat. But that’s scapegoating to always say it’s Kemba. It was a team breakdown and Kemba has to play better. But so does Marvin, Frank, Lin. Lin because he has to now raise his game to Linsanity level with Batum down. Hope next game he’s super aggressive or the Hornets have no chance. But if Marvin doesn’t find his game, they still have no chance. And they need to play team ball. I agree with that. They should have an assists goal, Clifford saying the offense was good is just absolutely ridiculous. The offense was NOT good.

    And the defensive end has to hope Miami cools off or something else needs to happen. Because Miami is playing on a different level on both sides of the floor than the Hornets are.

  • Win

    Bottom line is, ever since playoff has started, KW, Batum and Lee are playing ME Ball. However, KW and Batum maybe the only one whom got permission from Clifford to go ISO.

    A poster argue with me last night that only KW was playing ME ball. However, not only the number of shot a player took to be considered playing me ball. Hold on to the ball too long, over dribbling, try to create for himself or teammate are also consider as ME BALL which was exactly what Lee has done. I have seen many many possession that Lee could have swing the ball but he chose to hold on to it and try to either score and pass to get an assist.

    Another thing is Clifford. Keep on saying our offense is good enough but when you look at the assist number for game 1 and game 2, there were only 9 on Game 1 and 11 assist on game 2. This wasn’t the way Hornets play during the regular season. Anyone can get hot and score during the regular season and that make you team hard to guard. Instead all we see now is ME ball which was so predictable and easy to defend.

    Lin was one of the few that was willing swing the ball at the right time. When the ball went to Batum, KW and Lee, the ball sticks…..

  • sws94

    Lin is one of them. Lin and Al are two of his best players that don’t start along with Kemba, Batum and Marvin. Lee is getting minutes because Cliff thinks he’s the best matchup defensively against Wade and MIami is a matchup challenge for the Hornets. Lee is not working out and Clifford’s strategy with giving Lee big minutes is a mistake in my opinion.

    Lamb was DNP and garbage time in the first game. Daniels didn’t play. Kaminsky is playing but less minutes than Lin and Al.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Kemba needs to stop hogging the ball. taking 39 shots and not playing defense will result in automatic loses. guys like Marv need a REAL POINT GUARD to get them going. kemba is killing ball movement by chucking every shot. nobody wants to work hard on the defensive end just so Kemba can hog it on the offensive end

  • CJSHYY

    From the game you can pretty much tell the game plan it’s for Kemba & Al. Before the game their newspaper already started to preach the theory about if we want to win Kemba needs to take more shots or whatever (forgot the title…) This team it’s Kemba team that’s crystal clear. I think what MJ did it’s just gave Kemba one more chance to tryout their old style to see can he vs Heat or not…since he shoot a lot better this season. Cliff it’s the coach who just follows whatever his boss asked him to do. That’s why some fans said — Wow! Cliff didn’t yell at Lin on court side… bc everything already ordered.

  • sws94

    Cliff has something to prove. That he can win a playoff game. It’s up to him to try to figure out how to do it. Can you win a playoff game, Cliff? Or will you get defensive with reporters when they ask you how to generate whatever it takes to try to get a win? To do so, you have to recognize the issues first and then how to counteract things by whatever means it’ll take. And that may be proven to have to include going outside of your box.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i’m so sick of Kemba ball. the whole season has been like this. on good days, he makes half his shots and even then, the team still loses. isolation does not win games anymore. today, more than ever, teams are involving every player on the court to be successful. top teams like the Spurs and Warriors and even lesser talented teams like the Celtics and Hawks are finding success with team ball. and yet, the Hornets are copying the isolation style of the Rox of all teams. smh

  • Win

    He won’t and he never will. In the regular season, Hornets have so many weapons, anyone one can score 15+ points and you never who will score that night. However, once playoff has started their offense became predictable. The only right thing Clifford did was using Al on Whiteside IMO.

  • Max

    Kemba is signed by Jordan. Lin is signed by Addidas.
    Kemba has been proven an midget isoball PG who couldn’t lead his team to win a single playoff game.
    So why must we be surprised by the 2-0 results even though Lin, the only Hornet player who could have won the 2 games had he been allowed to play his natural position and outshine the midget.
    Can’t wait for the FA to begin asap.

  • sws94

    I’m not sure about that. I think Clifford wants ball movement and it is being taken away. In the first game Kemba did not take a lot of shots and tried to move the ball. And he turned it over. If Kemba isn’t much of a passer he has to go to his strengths. What are his strengths? Dribbling and scoring. That’s Kemba. I’m not surprised Kemba reverted to his game.

    Batum really has been a let down. He’s not moving the ball. His scoring was fine in the first game, but not his passing. He had neither in the second. His defense hasn’t been great either.

    Marvin just can’t get it going, so it is hard to keep feeding a cold player. Marv couldn’t get tip-ins yesterday.

    Cody was featured and did well in the first quarter. So he was definitely involved in the offense.

    Al did what he knew. But Al was keeping the team close and was on fire. He was able to get a few rebounds also. Al was good, but Al is not great on defense.

    Lin in the first half was great. Got to the line, was aggressive, drew fouls.

    I think what happened is when Batum went down the whole team just lost direction. I hoped Lin would drive more but he didn’t. Kemba started reverting to his worse style of play. Al cooled off some. Spencer had a few nice shots. Kaminsky didn’t do much. Marv continued to struggle.

    I’m not just looking at Lin in games, I’m looking at the whole team. The whole team lost. Not Lin, he was a member of the losing team. What can Lin do now to give the team the best chance to win? Look for his offense? What can Kemba do? Look to play off Lin and not try to be the whole offense.

  • Dan cohen

    The way to go about to try to at least win this is if CLIFF has the
    guts to change and say privately to kw..”I’m going to try something
    different. I know you are a better scorer, so I’m going to let lin run
    the point. So, lin will be running the point, but your main goal is to
    be scoring, esp now with batum out, lin will be running the point. Hope
    that is fine with you.”

    See how simple and political and
    ego-calming that is. It won’t destroy chem because the coach already
    told him he is the better scorer (regardless of what we think.. kw is
    better scorer now since his mentality is to score..and saying this to
    ease kw’s ego as to tell him I’m not telling your job away or think lin
    is better.. just that kw is better at scoring than most on this team)

    Then talk to lin and kw together after talking to kw and tell lin that “lin
    you will be running the point and kw is ok with that as I talk to him
    before. This is when batum is out too”

    Then they run the practice.
    The reason is that with cliff offensive system.. the pg usually runs
    up with the ball to initial play..and usually passes to the sg who then
    decides what to do…and if sg tends to shoot go for it.

    Cliff has
    to try this and something different because what he is doing is the
    same as the past.. “WORKING harder” doesn’t mean a change!.

    “insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result” – einstein.

    If Cliff doesn’t do this at least to change and adapt and adjust, he deserves to lose consecutively.

    Also , the game was lost in the 2nd QTR.. I don’t know what happened there..
    Lee cannot contain wade either. Myabe you need offensive power vs
    offensive power instead of defense..and lee is not an offensive power.
    For defense maybe have a center guarding wade. and a center guarding
    whitesideblindside.

  • sws94

    Cliff has a very good understanding of the game analytically. But he doesn’t know how to move the chess pieces and counter moves and he isn’t a playoff caliber coach. He may never become one either due to his extremely stubborn nature.

  • Win

    I wonder why none of the reporters ask Clifford about the assist number. That number can tell Hornets is not playing their basketball that they used to play in the regular season.

  • Dan cohen

    it’s not a matter of him starting..it’s a matter of WHO IS THE PG. Batum is semi-pg…as he usually the one with the assist. With him out, Lin has to be the PG and have KW shoot because kw tends to score first instead of passing s that more natural with him. Like many others here and there said, the system might be fixable by just swapping lin and kw position and put batum back to his nature position.

  • Win

    Agreed. Good at reading #s doesn’t you know how to coach.

  • Dan cohen

    he will just say they are not passing the ball more.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    if clifford knows anything about basketball, he’d start Lin at point guard, he’d start Batum at SF, and Start either Lee, Lamb, or Daniels at SG, and have Kemba come off the bench as the 6th man. if clifford knows anything, he’d play all the isolation players together so that they don’t disrupt the offensive flow for other players. clifford has been doing EVERYTHING wrong. he doesn’t know basketball any more than you or me

  • KL

    I am not blaming Kemba alone. It is the Clifford playing politics and the whole corrupt NBA system. However, the Hornets have actually alternated between Kemba ball and team ball throughout the season. Kemba ball usually results in a loss or a narrow win against a weak team (usually suffering from selfish play as well). Team ball could win and if Kemba wants all the credit as the “leader” and “most improved player” then he has to take the rap for failing to inspire team ball.

  • Dan cohen

    how did they lose in 2nd qtr

  • Win

    God I am so mad. I was on vacation during game one and I sacrificed and stayed in the hotel just to watch the game.

    And after game one I was hoping Cliff keep will adjust on Whiteside and address their players to play the team ball that they have been playing during the regular season. But all I see is garbage. Once Batum was down and he sub KW back in to go ISO all the way and hoping KW can win the game for him. What a dumb coach.

  • KL

    Lin will never be the PG because when Kemba ball takes effect, Kemba will be the PG who passes only to himself. That is different from being an SG who plays within the team offensive structure.

  • Dan cohen

    Kemba and Al were the ones producing the most points but that’s fools gold because it won’t win games.
    that is because, my friend, Al does post up and destroys the flow..

    look at spurs look at gsw, how many post up plays do you see.. not as much.
    balls just flies around.

  • Dan cohen

    hahahahahaha
    ALWAYS take vacation a priority over the games where lin is NOT the starting and heavy usage pg. I learned last year.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    kemba scored some but heats scored more. the problem during that stretch was the hornets became a one man offense and nobody else got into a rhythm while all of the heats players scored and played defense. it all stems from iso kemba disrupting offense and defensive with his extremely selfish plays

  • sws94

    Marvin has to score for team ball, he’s a big part of the offense and one of Kemba’s favorite targets. Kemba tried to get the ball to Cody a few times, got deflected or Kemba turned it over. The Heat’s defense is taking away some of team ball. And the Hornets are cold from 3.

    I understand your focus on Kemba but he’s just one issue. There are others. Everyone needs to play more effectively and Clifford is not coaching well. It may all be for naught if Cliff doesn’t get a clue how to coach.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    don’t expect any miracles from this coach. lesson learned

  • sws94

    That is where they lost. And it’s true that it was mostly on the defensive end.

  • sws94

    Spurs post a lot with LMA. GSW does some with Green. It is just balanced and they have very sophisticated ball movement. Some Alfense is fine. All Alfense is fool’s gold. Limited ball movement is losing basketball.

  • Illbe

    The Hornets are not shooting…Why? 1. Fear to go inside against Whitesides [very obvious in 1st game] 2. No open looks? Lack of ball movement. Players standing around. They can’t win unless the outside shooting begins to occur and of course the ball falls through the net.

    Kemba was trying to make up for his teammates lack of tenacity. Too much Al-ball results in a stagnate offense. What JLin does so well this series especially in the first-half is he gets fouled. Kemba is so small he gets through the paint without the calls and last night without the bucket, but JLin gets fouled before or during the shot. JLin was taking care of Miami’s scorers by getting them into foul trouble early; something that you can’t read on the stat sheet.

    Why change his game? But in the 2nd-half he didn’t seem to drive as often and passed as soon as the ball touched his hands. Foul shots kept the game close in the 1st-half than they stopped. Kemba and Al happened…no fouls. Ball moved faster for Miami and they were making almost every open and contested shot.

    The Hornets D was good overall, but with no offense it looked bad. Clifford made no change to bring in fresh legs from the bench and possibly bring in some outside shooting that was so desperately needed. Hawes looked good, but it was too late. Daniels would have been a good choice to try to get some 3’s after Batum went down.

    This game plan shows that all the games we saw crisp ball movement and JLin as PG were flukes for Clifford. He doesn’t get it! JLin needs to move on to a coach that has a higher basketball IQ and who won’t cater to super-stars.

  • Dan cohen

    hahahahahahaahah

  • CJSHYY

    This team is really weird… their own beat writer didn’t tweet anything about the game last night but only infor it’s they have 6% chance to win this round???

    No discuss about what went wrong… just no news. ???

  • Win

    A little off topic. One good news is Peter Liang get no Jail time.

    Salute to all the Asian that have done a lot to helps on this matter.

  • Win

    Exactly on the pov on Kemba. Kemba is a ISO player and he can score and team need one or two player to play that way. Just like jamal crawford. But he can also let Lin handle the PG work. Defensive wise KW can still guard the PG as he is too small to guard SG so Lin can guard the SG when he and KW both on the floor. I mean why not? Is not like Lee can stop Wade anyway.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    kemba IS the issue. he’s the reason Marv and Cody aren’t getting good looks. it’s on him as a point guard to set teammates up. he’s never been able to do it. and now, when games mean a lot, he’s chucking even more than ever

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Point guard definition from Wiki
    ~~~~
    A point guard, like other player positions in basketball, specializes in certain skills. A point guard’s job is to create scoring opportunities for his/her team, or sometimes attack the basket. Lee Rose has described a point guard as a coach on the floor, who can handle and distribute the ball to teammates. This involves setting up plays on the court, getting the ball to the teammate in the best position to score, and controlling the tempo of the game. A point guard should know when
    and how to instigate a fast break and when and how to initiate the more deliberate sets. Point guards are expected to be vocal floor leaders. A point guard needs always to have in mind the times on the shot clock and the game clock, the score, the numbers of remaining timeouts for both teams, etc.

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly.

  • Wty

    Cliff feels he owes Kemba for supporting him last few years, and even now to keep his job. All his eggs are in Kemba’s basket(ball)… he’s all in until the bitter end.. what a waste of an opportunity to play solid team ball with Lin, even for just this playoff series.

  • cdblue10

    I think Hornets wrote their own WIKI…Lol!!!!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    they have their own version of a SG too. see Batum

  • cdblue10

    So you’re changing your tone now compared to your last posts.

  • sws94

    Cody got looks and Marv isn’t scoring. You can’t keep feeding a cold player in the playoffs. Especially when you are down in a game. Sometimes you have to take it on yourself to score if only you, your center, and your fellow point guard are able to make anything happen offensively.

    I get it, some of you guys don’t like Kemba. But there’s more going on than Kemba.

  • Illbe

    You described JLin. Now a SG?

  • HVJoy

    Here you go again. The fact is both Walker and Lee played 41.5 minutes in G2, but the shots made:

    Walker 29 (12/29) versus Lee 7 (5/7) attempts.

    Things you accused Lee of doing: “hold on to the ball too long, over dribbling, try to create for himself …” would fittingly describe Walker also. Clearly, in G2, team ball was not played, but it started with the “star captain” Walker. Walker was the no. 1 ball hogger who impaired the team in the defeat.

    I don’t understand why you repeatedly blame everyone BUT Walker for the loss. Perhaps you are enamored with his ISO ball-chucking way much.

  • Dan cohen

    Like I said in the last post.. I want to give cliff one game to adjust.. that was his 1st game and everyone bashed him.. you guys didn’t even give him a chance. Also I said if he didn’t adjust in game 2, he is starting to not look like a good coach..and it does not have anything to do with lin. I thought 1st qtr was slight adjustments where they keep getting heat in foul trouble and stuff.. but they lost the game in 2nd qtr. Anytime you give up double digit leads to the Heat in the playoffs it’s game over. I don’t exactly know what happened in the 2nd quarter to make the lost like that.

    Now, the 3rd game, he better make different adjustments because he already seen what worked and what didn’t. No one can guard wade..so need bigger wing span. 3rd game i expect them to win due to a lot more adjustments and home court.. else forget it.

    But cliff should know that doing that al and kw doesn’t work..for the past 10th times, so they need someone to run the point due to BOTH games with low assist number..and he thought batum could do it.. even batum which usually has over 5 assists (forget kw, he is a shooting pg whcih won’t help in this series). But batum is hurt so he has to use kw..and once kw comes in.. no chance for either batum or lin to playmake much.

  • james brown

    trying to get the ball to a player like cody or marv is not facilitating…simple pass is needed and less dribble , but KW is Kw (dribble) that kills time and rhythm..kemba stop passing when he is frustrated and that is the time he chucks so many shots to the detriment of the team…you also said its KEMBA WALKERs team, that’s why he need to be the one responsible if the team is broken..you want the glory, you take the blame!

    of course, coach is equally responsible all the time!

  • james brown

    good point! hope some will get the idea why!

  • Win

    Did you see my post???????

    I said KW, Batum and Lee all became mad selfish in playoff game.

    I have blame walker too if you read my post. I actually want him to sprain his ankle too and Mod gave me a warning.

    But Kemba has been ISO all season and Cliff won’t change and we all know that. However other player were playing team ball the entire season weren’t playing team ball.

    You don’t have to agree with me but please leave me alone.

  • sws94

    I see Win’s point as Lee is doing what Kemba is doing, but without the production. The assists are down and if Kemba is not doing his job, neither is Lee in moving the ball.

  • Win

    Oh yea. Even if you don’t agree. Still.. Leave ME THE FFFFF Alone!

  • sws94

    Don’t be rattled, Win. Take a breath and just make your points. You’ll be ok.

  • Win

    I am not as nice as you are + I am in a bad mood. This dude keep saying I don’t blame but I did and I did it big time and even got a warning from it.

  • HVJoy

    I did see you magnifying Lee’s “fault”, but only mentioning in passing (or nearly justifying) Walker’s.

    You are the one that mention our “discussion” last night in your post first, now you want to be left alone? Funny, really. I’d rather be having my lunch. lol.

  • sws94

    It’s just that we are in a forum that has it’s guidelines. We can only be responsible for ourselves in trying to adhere to the guidelines. The language views are very specific so if we stay close to them when we make points, we should be ok.

  • Win

    Haha. I know. But it is ok if I get blame. I an used to it in Realgm.

    Tks for the advice though.

  • HVJoy

    You are the one who mentioned our “discussion” last night in your post first, now you want to be left alone? Funny, really.

  • Win

    Is wasn’t a discussion. It was my comment. What I said is they were all selfish. You dont have to agreed. But leave the FFFFFF alone.

  • james brown

    take out KW in the equation and see whats going to happen..teamball!

  • Win

    And go eat lunch but I couldn’t careless.

  • BereanIT

    Great thoughts!

  • HVJoy

    Your wish is granted. I am back to my lunch.

    And I do disagree with you that “they were all selfish.” Your beloved “star” player KW is the #1 ISO ball hogger who impaired this team in G2.

  • takeme2cruz

    Carlisle benched DWill, Barea to put Felton to run the team as PG and they won game 2 vs OKC. What does that tell you about Clifford?

  • Win

    I mean it is ok that I get ban.

  • james brown

    a coach who know how to adjust and not afraid of being fired if he feels that the right thing to do!

  • CJSHYY

    Felton really played well on that game. I am not even like Mav or Felton but I really think he’s good on that game.

  • sws94

    The team needs team ball with Kemba, Al and others who can put the ball in the basket. Whatever leader on the team, coach or player, needs to stress that. On both ends.

  • Win

    Barea has been on fire lately.

  • sws94

    The game was lost at the end of the 2Q. They cut the lead in the 4Q. What happened late in the 2Q?

  • Win

    Just saying and Yea, Clifford is a mediocre coach at best.

  • takeme2cruz

    So was KW but it did not translate to W. He was a DNP-CD last game.

  • takeme2cruz

    Cliff took Lin out with 6 min to play.

  • HVJoy

    His ISO ball-hogging play impaired, and I am afraid, will continue to impair the team for the next 2 games!

  • takeme2cruz

    Cliff is the only coach we know that he has to meet MJ after every game. That speaks volume.

  • Win

    100% Clifford didn’t adjust. The worst part was he even gave up their style of play during the playoff series.

    Game 4 is the end of the Hornets unless Las Vegas is calling.

  • takeme2cruz

    Did Kemba really say Clifford had an awesome game plan?

  • james brown

    but kw is not a team ball player, that’s why when he was not around, teammates begun with vigor on defense…they have the chance on this game, but one man determined to put the team on his shoulder alone..the result..a lost game.

  • Win

    Of cause it was a awesome game plan for him. Because Cliff allow him to play ISO ball once Batum went down.

  • james brown

    and blatantly say adjustments is OVER RATED!

  • takeme2cruz

    SMH. That means the same in game 3 and 4.

  • Win

    For sure. Game 4 will be the end.

  • noob

    Clifford has put his chips on Kemba. What else would you expect.

  • HVJoy

    Hornets’ “star” PG, on the contrary, played ISO to the detriment of the team in G2.

    29 shot attempts and 3 assists in 41 minutes. Not only did he not create for his teammates, his ball hogging way impaired the team and resulted in another defeat.

  • james brown

    why may i ask if he is one of his best player who cliff give more time? to be returned when a big margin was already at hand and hornets was again struggling! (i’m not askin directly towards you…:P )

  • sws94

    That’s not why the team lost. They lost in the 2Q after giving up 43 points. After Batum went down, Kemba tried to overcompensate. But don’t you think Lin could have done more? He scored how much in the 2nd half? 3 points? That’s not Linsanity. He’s Mr. 4th quarter, right? He wasn’t in that game.

    Marv has been woeful. Lee hasn’t been good either. Batum did not play well in that game either before he got injured. A lot of players went into making a bad game and the coach is also a big part of what went wrong. It’s simply too selective to keep repeating it’s all Kemba’s fault. I don’t agree with that.

  • DrewBear2

    I just reviewed the first half. 4:44 to go, game tied 47-47. At 3:02 remaining, Hornets down 50-54. In the final 3 minutes of the half, they were outscored 10-18 to end at 60-72.

    The offense is not at its best, but that’s partly due to Miami’s defense. The Hornets are taking what the Heat give them and that was mostly points in the paint, which in part explains the poor assists numbers. Bottom line is 60 points in one half isn’t exactly “bad”. But 3 point shooting was abysmal. It seems like the Heat are conceding the paint to focus on stopping the 3s. Still, the Hornets were even missing open 3s. They’ve got to do much better than 1 for 16.

    I didn’t really see any major, repeated defensive lapses either in the first half. The Heat were just hitting so many shots, including tough contested shots. 74% in the first half is nuts! 3-point percentage was even higher. Wade is playing like he’s 10 years younger.

    With 1:44 to go, the score was 56-62. A 6 point differential would’ve been fine going into halftime. But after trading baskets (a 2 for a 3), with a minute to go Wade makes a difficult 2, and on the next possession, drives before kicking out to Deng for an open 3. Suddenly it’s a 12 point lead.

    We can arm-chair coach and critique all we want (because even though none of us have coached or played high-level basketball, we know better dammit! :-O ), but really the Heat as a team are simply outplaying the Hornets as a team. You can’t single out certain players or the coach. Even Jeremy didn’t hit open shots and had defensive lapses. With Batum likely to be out, Jeremy should get more opportunity to score and responsibility to create & defend.

  • james brown

    then don’t agree..simple!

  • sws94

    Thanks. It’s good to get a game analysis that looks at team factors. Because, really, Miami played 2 almost uncharacteristically great offensive games while playing their usual strong defense.

    And yes, Lin probably now has an opportunity to do much more. To be honest, the team needs Lin now to produce and will likely look for him to do so assuming Batum is out the next game or two. And two may be all that’s left although I think the Hornets won’t get swept.

  • Dan cohen

    yup.. just heat got hot.. if they didn’t .. it still very tight game. ..and if horniets got hot.. horn would’ve won..
    so it was purely a team thing.

  • cdblue10

    So the hindsight….LOL!!!’

  • HVJoy

    In your long description of the final part of 2Q, somehow you left one one thing fans here are most interested in:
    Lin was on the bench when all the hot shooting by Heat happened.

    In fact, Lin was sub out at 6:49 of 2Q by Walker when the score was 43-43. At the end of 2Q, as you said the score was 60-72, Heat led.

  • sws94

    Note: Hornets and Heat scored the same amount of points in the 2nd half.

    CHA 29 31 18 25 103

    MIA 29 43 19 24 115

    Game was lost in the 2Q.

  • David Kim

    A good coach make adjustment during a game. Of course all coaches review the video after games. They can make adjustment after reviewing videos.
    But what if opponent coach bring another game plan? Then coach gotta make adjustment during the game. Thats why we need a coach at the bench.

  • HVJoy

    I agree.
    The score was 43-43 when Lin was replaced by Walker at 6:49 of 2Q.
    At the end of 2Q, the score was 60-72. Heat led.

  • takeme2cruz

    Lin had 26 min last game despite Batum early exit.

  • CJSHYY

    Thank you for the infor…. I am not really sure when Lin off court it’s tie game or -2…

  • sws94

    It was close. Lee is not a defensive stopper. Play Lin 30 minutes from here on in. Minimum.

  • HVJoy
  • David Kim

    Fair game review from hornets realgm

    Re: GT: GAME 2 REDEMPTION CHA @ MIA Wed Apr 20 7:00 PM EST

    User avatarMPM
    Sixth Man
    AAARGH! So f’ing frustrating. Just finished watching and apologies if I’m beating a dead horse on any of this – only looked at the last 4 pages or so of the thread.

    First – No movement, no assists, no three pointers = no Hornets basketball. Big Al iso, Kemba hero ball, one on one to the hoop all game long. Shades of last year.

    Second – Heat are making absolutely ridiculous shots. So frustrating – we played OK defense (OK). When the other team is being smiled upon like this, There is literally no way to win. Yes, we can step up our D a bit, but – more than anything – the Heat need to come back down to earth to make this any type of a series.

    Third, despite Al’s low post wizardry – there is NO way we win a game featuring Alfense. We have zero chance. Yes, it’s fun watching Al toy with Whiteside, but we all know it doesn’t equate to winning basketball. It leads to us abandoning everything that got us to the playoffs (not that we aren’t doing it with him on the bench as well). Unfortunately, when Al shows up offensively like this it only leads to more encores of “Al-Chilles Heel – the Steve Clifford Story” – It is no coincidence that we went on our mini-runs with Al on the bench. More Hawes, please. We need ball movement, not empty baskets, and as I’ve said before – Hawes/Zeller make us a better basketball TEAM. Al’s 2nd quarter is the best we will ever see of Al at this point – and we were sliding behind on the scoreboard when he was on the floor. He literally almost has to score every time he shoots to approach being a net positive.

    Zeller early – love it. Played decent team ball to start the game with an aggressive Zeller.

    Such dumb luck with Batum. Jeesh.

    Kaminsky seems to regularly sag far too much into the paint on D.

    Marv has been horrible – yes – but he’s also not getting the same looks he was getting in the regular season due to abysmal movement on offense (and, of course, so sturdy D from the Heat)

    Officiating wasn’t horrible, but the whistles were imbalanced. Meaning we were seeing some whistles at the beginning – but when it mattered – down the stretch – the Heat seemed to get some calls and non-calls. That Richardson offensive non-foul on Kemba? Refs should get suspended for such obvious nonsense like that.

    Re: the heat – Richardson is a talent and is sooo long. Bright future. Dragic is smart with the ball in his hands. Wade has been and always will be unlikable. One of my least favorite players of all time. Finally, there are a lot of very passionate Heat fans in South Florida but very few passionate basketball fans. Quite a few empty lower bowl seats for a playoff game, and audible complaining about a few obvious fouls. AAA is not MSG. I lived there for nearly 15 years – had a hard time chatting basketball with anyone.

    Finally – We better get back to Hornets basketball if we want ONE win. This Al/hero/ISO stuff isn’t going to do it.

    EDIT: I just checked the box for the first time. 9 total assists? Are you frigging kidding me? Is that some kind of record?
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  • donsmacau

    Apologies for brusqueness and it’s not directed at you.
    This poster has NOT 1 WORD about JLIN and in fact identifies problems that are readily apparent but offers ZERO in terms of concrete solutions.

    That’s the problem with Hornets-centric boards and the Coaching/FO, they ignore the only player that can make a difference at this point.

  • Win

    Agreed on No movement, no assists, no three pointers = no Hornets basketball.

    But I think Al ISO is a game plan to get Whiteside in foul trouble as he is not strong enough to guard Al.

  • Win

    Clifford is very very stubborn. You can tell by his post game interview of game.

  • real-dsb

    pretty realistic prediction

  • real-dsb

    MIA figured out their defense and started exploiting it again.

  • DrewBear2

    So you are implying that if Jeremy had been allowed to stay in the game longer the score would have been closer? I haven’t reviewed the 2nd half yet, but just from the play-by-play transcript we know that Jeremy entered the 2nd half with 4:13 remaining in the 3rd quarter. Hornets were down 73-86.

    With 3:56 remaining in the game, the Hornets have gotten closer at 95-103. Jeremy is still in the game and there’s plenty of time to make up the 8 point differential. But the Heat hold them off and pull further to win by 12.

    So Jeremy was on the floor for the final 16:13 of the game and the team still lost by 12. Is that Jeremy’s fault? Of course not! Win or lose, it’s a team effort. And don’t forget the opposing team gets credit for their performance. The Heat are playing out of their minds right now.

  • aras

    to be fair though sws 4th quarter he did not get the ball that much i Believe? i mean i saw Lee with the ball in the 4th.

  • real-dsb

    good point. It’s crazy that shoe contracts are now having a factor on how players play each other. Like how LeBron (Nike) has it out for Bazemore (Under Armour).

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15047018/how-nike-lost-stephen-curry-armour

  • Win

    I do think is a fair review. Except Lin should be mentioned as a factor too. Lin should bet at least 30+ Mins IMO. If Cliff let Lin handle the PG role, we will then see team ball once again.

  • grover chang

    You make too much sense. Agreed with every point. What you say is so obvious. I’m totally dumbfounded why Cliff can’t see this.

  • HVJoy

    Yes, I do believe if Lin had stayed in court longer in the 2Q, the Hornets would not have lost by 12 points at the half.

  • sws94

    His omission in a way is good because he pointed out a lot of players that had negative contributions in one way or another. I guess he feels Lin was doing his job. Not every analysis is going to contain Lin when it comes from team fans.

  • sws94

    He didn’t get it enough but when he got it, he tended to pass it to others rather than look to drive. My problem with that is he was able to get in the paint, get calls, and go to the line almost at will in the first half. So drive it down the defenses throats, they weren’t preventing it. He passed up what few opportunities he had more than he could have.

  • aras

    true he should have been more aggresive when he got it. overall i Think he had a good game tbh i look for him to have a 20 pt game next one. i mean he is looking real good when he is attacking Cliff should stress that to him.

  • sws94

    I like the way Lin looks against Miami overall. The fear that he would turn the ball over and be taken out of his game by Spo’s defense hasn’t happened. And I think a big game is quite possible in this playoffs. I really hope so.

  • DrewBear2

    Peak Linsanity was 11 games, of which 8 were without Melo and Jeremy was “The Man”. D’Antoni coached for another 8 games that season, but Melo was the real power and Jeremy played a supporting role.

    Even if you focus on those 8 games when it was all about Jeremy, you could find 20-25 games this season when Kemba had similar “Linsane” performances. I’m NOT saying Jeremy couldn’t do the same given an opportunity. I’m saying that it makes no sense to criticize Kemba’s overall performance this year.

  • Jedi

    Vacation is priority…all you have to do is make sure you avoid reading the news and watch the game delayed somewhere else later when you are back in your hotel room. Assuming you have a laptop with you…

  • Andre Keh from NYT wrote another nice article about JLin as a solid player.
    Good publicity in NY to drum up Nets interest
    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/723211394057793536

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    here’s hoping Nets front office reads the New York Times

  • DrewBear2

    So why didn’t the Hornets do better in the 2nd half when Jeremy was on the floor for a longer stretch? I’m going to guess that you believe it’s because Kemba was PG instead of Jeremy.

    Again, it’s not about one or two players. The whole team needs to step it up. You cannot blame or credit individuals. Each member has to do their part better, including Jeremy.

  • cdblue10

    His omission is necessary for him not to be labeled as Lin fan,since this is a Hornets board they have to disregard Lin to justify that they don’t need him to win.Take off your blinder once in for all to see what really the score on Lin’s situation.You’re one of the Hornest apologist and I can’t blamed you with that.But this is a Lin forum ,if you don’t like to mention his name on every conversation then get out.I’m tired of your BS.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    lol that’s exactly what happened. Kemba hogged the ball and the result was no ball movement, stagnant offense, and low percentage shots. it was the problem last night and it was the problem for many years now. history repeats itself

  • heart

    Remember the guy named Ken (I think) on TNT show hosting along w/ Shaq and Charles? He said KW needs to shoot more after game 1. Then Shaq said Lin needs to be in double digits points in game 2. Now KW made 29 shooting attempts and Lin made double-digit points in game 2, but the game still resulted in a loss. So the root of the problem is in the coaching and coaching strategy. Cliff enabled KW to shoot w/o playing defense, and not allowed Lin to be involved in directing the offense, yet he was still able to get his double digit points. That goes to show that these analysts don’t know what they’re talking about. They don’t closely follow the team or know the personnel. Don’t take these guys’ analysis seriously anymore. What a joke!

  • Dan cohen

    who else was sub out besides lin..

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Elmer Fudd can coach better clifford. it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that marginalizing Lin and enabling Kemba to ball hog lost them the game

  • sws94

    Thanks for the personal attack cdblue10. But things are bigger than basketball today if you know what I mean.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Kenny Smith. he’s usually alright but this time he was dead wrong and Shaq was correct. it was funny how Shaq sneaked in the last word to reiterate how important it is that the Hornets get Lin going

  • adele

    Yes for Kemba himself not with other players

  • cdblue10

    Your welcome …and don’t worry about anything outside basketball because I know that I have a full of life ahead of me,worry about yours!

  • JoeTeam

    guess it’s clear Heat are a better team … but I can’t get over that JLin can activate the team to play better as a team if he’s given control of the game even if it is on the 2nd unit.

    We saw this all year – when JLin is not controlling the game flow, CHA will lose to good teams. Right now, if CHA wants to win 2, they have to give JLin the game flow for long enough for him to test and achieve winning strategies for any Miami game plan. For example, if Heat wants to keep running them off the 3’s, JLin needs to be holding the rock long enough to make some kick outs work in 3s. That then will spread the floor better and more people can get involved in the scoring. The the team engine and confidence comes up. That’s gotta be good for a 10pt differential.

    If CHA don’t want to try that, then guess 1 and out and Lin is FA. I’d love to see JLin win 2 games for CHA. Nothing against KW today, just don’t think he can win 2.

  • takeme2cruz

    Lin is not yet a championship caliber but a guaranteed playoff team.

  • takeme2cruz

    Worth a click to the story.

  • heart

    Yes, they sometimes mix in their talks w/ a grain of salt (truth), but mostly they cave into NBA politics. If they have guts they should point out the root of the problem and stop catering to undeserving ‘stars’. It’s really all for showbiz…

  • DrewBear2

    “Agreed on No movement, no assists, no three pointers = no Hornets basketball.”

    Even when Jeremy had point, the offensive rotation was stagnant and he was left to do exactly what Kemba did. Everyone on the team needs to do a better job getting around the Heat’s defensive sets.

  • Win

    Agreed. That what I have been saying. KW, Batum and Lee all played very selfishly in playoff games.

  • sws94

    I saw this as well. I think Lin was most effective as an attacking guard in these two games.

  • Win

    Here we go again…

  • sws94

    Batum was taken out of his facilitating game. Had some TOs and then played more conservatively. He scored well the first game, didn’t get much of anything going in last night’s game. Then he got hurt. Lee has been the most selfish IMO. Kemba is playing like Kemba, not effective first game taking a few shots, overdoes it trying to play heroball in the second game and had very inefficient scoring. But it takes a team to execute offensive sets. Off-ball movement is important and Miami takes a lot of things away.

  • TTNN

    You will have to look for why heat was given that many opportunity to hit 3s, and why Hornets don’t.

    It is still on coach on his defensive scheme, that their P&R defense left it empty under the basket, and constant give out a 4 on 3 situation, that’s when the rest of the Hornets defense has to move and that left an open 3.

    On the other hand, Heat take out Hornets 3pt option, and give up the post, in the first half, ball goes to Lin enough, both Lin and Kemba were driving and take what was given to them. Drove 10 times and got 11 points. Kemba drove 16 times and got 16 points. Also the ball goes to AI too. After Lin was out, Kemba is in, the rest of the team don’t drive, not Lee, not Batum. The offense becomes simplified, and thus much easier to predict. If you don’t shake their defense, you have less chance. it ends up with either dump to AI or watching Kemba hold onto the ball.

    Yeah, we are Lin fans, and we think Lin could contribute to the team if you let him. But it is not random that we say that. Lin played 26 min with +/- of positive 3, game is lost when Lin is not on the floor. You will have to see the diversity and versatility Lin brings to the line up.

  • DrewBear2

    If Nic is out, Jeremy will definitely get more minutes. But I’m not sure he’s going to be able to handle Wade any better than Lee. Dude is older, but he’s still formidable. Hornets are in a tougher spot without Nic.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i’ve noticed that with Brent Barry also. before Lin joined the Hornets, Brent usually had some nice things to say but not anymore. sigh

  • sws94

    Same old tired song.

  • Briiick

    In the 1st game, Batum got his stats; In the 2nd game, Walker wanted HIS. It is as simple as that. Cliff is a stat distributor of the organization and winning is just a marketing word to fill the seats.

  • Win

    Agreed. Kemba can not and will not change and he also got permission from the coach.

    Lee on the other hand was playing team ball and make some very nice pass to teammate and Lin. But once playoff has started, he was like a totally different player.

  • sws94

    I don’t know if he’s trying to do too much or what. It may be nothing against his team mates, just him going out of his game or maybe frustrated how Wade is scoring on him. I saw them talking to each other and Wade looked to be trash talking.

  • sws94

    Handle him with offense, because Lin nor Lee are stopping Wade. Wade could get cold from the field, that’s the best we could hope for. Wade is an all-time great in my opinion. He’s adjusted his game nicely from the Flash period to how his body is now.

  • TTNN

    Lee has been selfish in both game. And too bad coach play him the most. That’s a totally surprise and wrong move.

  • cdblue10

    There is nothing to dissect on this series,these games are all about Kemba,Batum and Lee and everyone else just serves as a role player.This is the most boring playoff I’ve seen so far as an NBA fan.

  • Win

    Beloved Star? Do you how much I have trashed KW? Get your fact straight before you accuse other. And get the FFFF off!

  • sws94

    I agree about his minutes. No justification for them in his production defensively or offensively. Lin is more productive and why not give Lamb a shot? Lee looks like a 22-25 minute player to me.

  • TTNN

    well, Lee is not handling Wade better than Lin either.

  • real-dsb

    Zeller allowing opponents +25% of their usual FG%. Surely due to all the busted rotations leaving guys wide open underneath the basket, may or may not be all his fault.

    Next worst is Kemba, allowing +18% FG%.

    Marvin is about the same at +17%. Since he’s not contributing on offense, this really hurts.

    Batum is about the same at +16%. Boy this team really misses MKG’s defense.

    Lin, Lee, Jefferson are much better at +5, +4, +2.

    (The reason you have to compare differential is because centers are guarding mostly inside shots).

    https://twitter.com/datastats/status/723220367465050113

  • CJSHYY

    Can’t agree more… Really boring game indeed.

  • Win

    Even if a poster disagreed your point in a game thread doesnt mean he is a KW fan. I hate KW, I hate his ISO style. But I know Cliff wont change so I hope Lin can go to another team and start as PG. I have said it countless time. Lin is a starter.

    So please, leave me alone.

    psalm234. Can you do something about HV Joy? He keep accuse me a KW lover.

  • heart

    Did anyone catch this?
    *** Lin also responded to NBA statement in today’s article, Jeremy Lin Tries On His Newest Label: Solid N.B.A. Player, By ANDREW KEH, APRIL 21, 2016. Here’s Lin’s statement, excerpt from the article:
    Lin shrugged this week when asked what he thought about the N.B.A.’s response. He seemed to find it a bit perplexing.
    “That doesn’t address the issue,” Lin said. “To me, not everybody drives the same way, not everybody goes to the basket the same way, not everybody takes contact the same way. I mean, it is what it is. They made their statement. All I know is, you’ve just got to watch the film.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/sports/basketball/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

  • Win

    One more thing. I only like Team Ball and KW is not a Team Ball PG.

    I like Lin cuz he is team first and very very talented. What I said was I don’t see team ball and coach should do something about it. Whether it means he has to sit KW and Lee and Batum!!!

  • DrewBear2

    Hornets 1-16 vs Heat 9-16 from three. The Heat closed out better, but the Hornets weren’t exactly giving them open shots either…a few, but not many. One team made the opportunities & hit the shots and the other didn’t. It’s more about execution than game plan.

    I actually agree that Jeremy would do well as starting PG. But Kemba had a career season and earned that position on this team. It’s not reasonable to think the Hornets are going to make radical changes after a hugely successful 48-win season.

    It looks like the Batum injury will mean Jeremy gets more playing time, but not necessarily more as PG. He’s had spectacular games (e.g. Spurs) in the non-starting SG role, so that’s what he’ll need to target.

  • cdblue10

    One of the toughest players I’ve seen so far as an attacking guard with his size.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    very nice response by Lin! i’m impressed

  • Acbc

    What you see is a combination of affects. A team operates on energy. When a player uses up too much of that energy to burn brightest, that player uses up all the energy in the vessel or gymnasium. What’s left is a team starved for oxygen. What we see is the guys have to empty the stage in order for one player to burn bright and everyone else trying desperately to stay alive.

    Lin on the other hand is a force multiplier. He stands in the middle like a. Helicopter rotor and enables energy to radiate out to his teammates. It’s that difference in physics that makes his teammates active and energized. Just like a helicopter wing must uses the force multiplier to make the tips of the wing achieve lift speed. A dumb coach like Cliffrod would do the simpleton thing by making his stars push the tip of the wings as fast as possible instead.

    Meanwhile the opponents are at hyper playoff speed while the hornets are playing around like seniors pushing their “Walker”, lMAO. Miami looks good because Hornets are so bad. It’s easy to play great against a D league coached team.

  • sws94

    It’s possible he’ll play starting SG role with Batum out.

  • Acbc

    Lol, Hornets players are playing like a bunch of seniors pushing a walker around.

  • Win

    And you are not making any sense. If I am KW lover, then why would I said I wish KW sprain his ankle as well and got a warning from psalm234.????????

    I think you have problem man. So please leave me alone.

  • Win

    psalm234, please get HVjoy off my back as he keep accusing me as a KW lover.

  • heart

    Very impressed indeed! Glad he’s becoming more vocal!

  • BobbyH

    A simple explanation that totally debunks NBA’s claim. “Youv’ve just got to watch the film”.

  • Win

    I found it very funny that as a Lin fan, I have mentioned countless time that Lin is a starting PG and KW is a SG in a PG body and he is not as good as Lin. And yet, there are still poster keep on harassing and even accusing me as a KW fan.

    Mod should really do something about these posters.

  • heart

    @Psalm, please ask Jackjack or whoever is making the next video rebutting the NBA’s reply to use Lin’s short and simple phrase: “You’ve got to watch the film!”

  • DrewBear2

    Kemba vs Dragic
    Jeremy vs Wade
    Cody vs Whiteside
    Marvin vs Deng
    Lee vs Johnson?

    That last one will be tough since CLee is really a guard. Who comes off the bench to spell Kemba & Jeremy? Lamb has been erratic, especially defensively and Troy was also not consistent with the time he was given.

    So do you start Kaminsky opposite Johnson and bring Lee off the bench at guard? Or maybe go big with both Cody & Al? Whatever they try, all players still need to crank it up a few gears.

  • heart

    Clifford comes on around 4pm (I think).
    https://twitter.com/PrimetimeWFNZ/status/723226080765599744

  • Win

    Tks but not sure if I wanna hear his garbage anymore. The post game interview of game 2 is more than enough.

  • DrewBear2

    I agree. And offensively Jeremy could pressure Wade, possibly getting him into foul trouble. But the Hornets are still in a tougher spot without Nic in the rotation.

  • Epie

    You can be a Lin fan and KW lover, who cares. Don’t mind him.

  • Win

    True but I am not a KW fan. I don’t like KW as I always preferred team ball and it is more fun to watch.

  • sws94

    The defensive challenges are tough. I just don’t know if Cliff is going to go to a rookie to start a playoff game, especially down 2. Kemba and Lin play 40 minutes each, that’s how he’s done it before. Bench could be Al and Kaminsky with a possibility of limited minutes for Lamb and who knows with Troy if he’ll see any.

  • Win

    Indeed.

  • DrewBear2

    The core issue is that superstars like Kobe & Melo can foul as hard as they want with impunity. But the NBA has clearly chosen to build their product around superstars. It’s sad, but that’s what people are paying for.

    The attention this video has garnered might gain Jeremy some level of protection from future flagrant fouls, but it might also get him fewer calls in his favor. Neither the league officials nor the refs are happy with this negative publicity.

  • DrewBear2

    Man, 40 min. at playoff intensity will be tough. Jeremy was starting to lag at the end of the game yesterday playing a stretch of 16 min. He played 39 min. in that Celtics game where he scored 19 in the 2nd Q and he admitted he was gassed in the 2nd half. But maybe this is what the two guards will need to do to turn this thing around.

  • takeme2cruz

    He’s full of ….

  • adele

    Im with you. But I guess, we need the posts for this site to thrive. Anything under the sun so to speak. As long as within the limits set by the mods, you can post anything about Lin. There are others who are allowed to speak against Lin and even some who are anti Lin statements but then again, we need the posts here. So what we need to do is just create some posts that are pro-Lin and Lin updates to counter those who are anti-Lin or pro-Kemba or pro-Clifford or pro-Hornets who post here. We will topple these anti Lin with our numbers.

  • BobbyH

    It could be either way. Lin already is a target in refs world before the video. What can be worse? If He rises from next season, the tide might turn.

  • adele

    Like you, I’m fed up dissecting this playoff games of Hornets and Heat. I don’t know if most people here realized that the Hornets are making a statement in these games. THIS HORNETS TEAM IS KEMBA’S TEAM. No matter what we say about Clifford not adjusting, not making any smart moves to win this game, they don’t really care because to them, being in the playoffs is already a big accomplishment for the coach and for the team. We can say that they are short selling themselves but there’s a reason why they don’t go to the finals because of that mentality. Do we like that? NO! But then again, we don’t care also as long as Lin will not stay in this team come next season.

  • adele

    I took a vacation in my post here because of various reasons. 1. I have a gut feeling that Clifford will stick to his guns in this playoff games and turns out that I’m right. 2. I’m content to read some Lin updates (which is not much) and just hit like (not good for the site which needs posts from fans as much as possible) 3. I have some personal tasks that needs to be done after work and don’t have the time. My plans of starting a business is put on hold because of lack of time. Anyways, back to posting. I’m so happy that there are hardworking Lin fans who put together all these foul videos and sent the letter to NBA. There might be pros and cons but its good for Lin altogether. About these playoffs, before it even started, I don’t want to voice my opinion because it might create a negative impact to some posters here. I came to a conclusion that the Hornets is Kemba’s team. Just as Rockets is Hardens team, Lakers is Kobes, Knicks is Melo, Warriors is Steph, and so on. So much for analyzing why they lost. Why Lin did not get any touches, minutes, stand in the corner, ISO Kemba, heroball, etc. HORNETS IS KEMBA’S TEAM. KEMBA IS THE CAPTAIN OF THE HORNETS. KEMBA IS CARRYING THE HORNETS TEAM. As for Lin, he will not stay in this team. He is smarter that what most people think. He is happy in this team? That’s what you think. Happiness is what you envision yourself to be. Lin is just going through the motions. If you are a responsible person, you have to finish all the work that needs to be done before you go. Lin can help them win some games but within the limits set by the coach. He might or not have good stats, depends on how the coach use him. But we need to remind ourselves, HORNETS IS KEMBA’S TEAM. It’s just natural for him to score and shoot more. That’s the mentality of these NBA world. Kemba needs his stats because the team needs a star that they can promote. I don’t think Lin needs this playoff stats to get a starting position. Some teams already know what Lin can do and they have scouts to validate his skills and experience. It’s up to Lin’s agent to negotiate. All we can do is pray for his success in the NBA and success in his other goals in life. Every prayer counts.

  • adele

    If you are really watching the game, really observing properly, check how Kemba is given the key to LEAD and handle the ball. This is supposed to be team ball and each member has to do their part. Of course, but the leader should be responsible on ball movements. Kemba is the PG. He is supposed to be the coach in the court. But I can’t complain anymore because I came to a realization that this is Kemba’s team and this team have other goals and agenda besides winning. I have to take it from there. I watch the games just to observe the players. Win or lose, I don’t really care. Why? this is not Lin’s team. this is not his home. I maybe dreaming but I want Lin to have his own team he can call home. Where he will be given the keys to score, and distribute the ball and be a leader.

  • vincent

    I said it before that I believe that Batum would be the x-factor in this series. I believe I was wrong as I actually believe him being out (WIsh him the best in his recovery) will help this team. Now Jeremy Lin has the chance to be unleashed . It all depends of Cliff now. But when Batum and Kemba were healthy, Lin was relegated to standing in the corner getting the ball once every 5 possessions only to give it up right away.

  • HVJoy

    Thank you for sharing. Glad Lin spoke frankly and to the point.

    I am really happy that Lin is supportive of his dedicated fans’ collective effort to remedy the unfair and dangerous no-call flagrant fouls against him.

  • Whitman Lam

    The X-factor of the series has been Marvin Williams, and thus far he has been a complete no show on both ends of the floor.

  • Whitman Lam

    Nice graphic. I’d guess that a lot of Zeller and Marv’s breakdowns on defense, comes from the inability of Kemba to stay in front of his man, especially off the pick n’ roll. Basically, they are giving up wide open layups, dunks, and 3 pointers so Kemba’s man won’t score so easily.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Hornets would rather loss than played team ball to fight for the win??? So weird. Game 1, they played no O no D just to get Heat’s players in foul trouble…. Game 2, they finally came out w game plan but not team ball it’s their old style Kemba & Al ISO ball… they failed 2 years ago vs Heat why tried again? Don’t get what MJ had in mind?

    Anyway, hope they can really do something in Game 3.. if not Monday is last day.

  • Whitman Lam

    Looking at the video replay on AtTheHive fansite of Batum’s left ankle injury. It looks very serious, he turned his ankle to the side about 90 degrees. I would be surprised if he recovers in time to play for the French National Team in the Summer Olympics in Rio this year. I’m pretty sure that Nick values representing his country in the Olympics more than playing for the Hornets in the playoffs.

  • Win

    Sorry for Batum but Hopefully it mean more meaningful minutes for Lin.

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  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    the xfactor is ball movement and its been a no show

  • CJSHYY
  • Whitman Lam

    And Kemba could’ve swung the ball to a wide open Lin or Kaminsky.

  • Win

    I bet you Clifford will somehow start Frank. SMH.

  • Phoenix Rising

    These things don’t usually happen by fluke… i do not think it is a coincidence that this article is out so soon after the new head coach was hired.

  • HVJoy

    Ouch.
    I would think D Wade, a seasoned star player, would be too smart to make such a demeaning statement against a fellow player.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    nytimes are Lin fans and knicks haters. they constantly write articles Lin and knicks

  • jimmyL

    He is one of the meanest/dirtiest players I’ve seen play
    In this league, you gotta be somewhat mean/dirty

  • Phoenix Rising

    I know, i’ve read many of their articles… I meant – I think, this article is out to ensure everyone in NY reads it now.

  • donsmacau

    Normally, I would say Frank but he was a disaster both off/def in Gm 1 and was near useless in Gm 2.

    Two Starting Scenarios imo:

    a) Al and Cody both start to matchup with Whiteside & Deng respectively. That get’s Al off the Benchforce but Kemba is primary ball handler for bench with his 42 min equally detrimental.

    b) Hawes get start. Al remains on bench – no good.

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  • PPP

    did any one aware that Lin drew 3 fouls from Dragic alone?

    Coach what are you waiting for? Start Lin and bench Walker!

    lol

  • DrewBear2

    As I pointed out in another thread, Kemba can’t do much if the offensive rotation is stagnant. When Jeremy had point, he had the same problem and couldn’t move the ball either. Now that lack of offensive flow isn’t just because Hornets players are standing idle, often it’s because the Heat defense is covering them so well the PG can’t pass to anyone. You cannot blame a single player (Kemba seems to get the brunt here) for these losses.

    I also hope that Jeremy gets the chance to start and lead a team as PG. But we live in a real world where our opinion as fans hold zero influence over owners, managers and coaches of NBA teams. So Jeremy somehow needs to find a way to convince those decision-makers to entrust him with a team the way Kemba has convinced Jordan/Cho/Clifford.

    This goal is extremely difficult. Jeremy faces bias and discrimination akin (though not nearly as harsh) to what Jackie Robinson faced in the 40s. As he has done since high school, he needs to prove himself above and beyond what is demanded from more typical basketball players. Jeremy understands this, which is why you won’t hear him complain about “unfairness”, especially not this year with this organization.

    The Hornets hired Jeremy this year to be the backup PG. He’s done a great job, which is why he has played the 4th highest number of minutes on the team. But has he proved to be above and beyond a better leader than Kemba? I think not. More meaningfully, he has not proven that in the eyes of the decision-makers in Charlotte.

  • PPP

    great news for Nic.

    now clean up your locker and follow lin to sign with the Nets.

  • HVJoy

    Welcome back, adele.

    I dont’ know if you saw acbc’s posting in the G2 thread. He views NBA is really a “private club”. I took the liberty to copy his posting here (hope acbc doesn’t mind):

    “We keep trying to not address the big elephant in the room and try to whisper in the corners about why Lin should start or at least given some room to play. The truth is that NBA is a private club and not a sport. They play who they want, choose who to make as stars and make use of Lin like a mascot for the league to get more Asian fans.

    Honestly wonder why Asian fans from China or anywhere in the world would want to watch WWF Basketball.

    LIN DOESNT GET TO PLAY BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT HIM TO BE ANYTHING ELSE BUT A SIDESHOW. HE DOESNT GET GO PLAY BECAUSE THERES NO PLACE FOR ASIANS IN THE NBA.” – acbc

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    clean up ur locker

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    probably wait to get kemba’s permission

  • DX

    Then Lin leave, Walker get him fired. Cliff isn’t that stupid.

  • HVJoy

    Hope you are right. As they say, “where there is smoke, there is fire.” Lol
    I would love to have Lin back in NY where Linsanity was born.

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  • Phoenix Rising

    I hope I am right too… don’t think this means that Jeremy is joining Nets for certain, but at the very least, he is giving it serious consideration. Now, if Nets PR are involved in this article getting published, I think I will have a very good summer ;D

  • heart

    “Charlotte Hornets Nicolas Batum expected to miss remainder of series against Miami Heat”, By Chris Haynes, cleveland.com, Email the author | Follow on Twitter, on April 21, 2016 at 5:45 PM, updated April 21, 2016 at 5:56 PM
    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/04/charlotte_hornets_nicolas_batu.html

  • CJSHYY
  • xeroid

    It was obvious Lin kept the Hornets in the game in first half, but Lin was sub out half way through 2nd quarter, Because of second foul or Kemba ball was required? Lin was running the offense well and drawing fouls on Miami players. Now Batum is out I think Clifford in desperation has no choice but to start Lin together with Kemba. In the second half Lin reverted to corner watching and got cold, so did other Hornet players. For Hornets to have any chance Clifford has to allow Lin to be point guard or share duty equally with Kemba. Kemba has to be directed to either be a shooting guard or pass the ball to Lin as first choice as he did with Batum. Lin can play 8 minutes in first quarter and come in second quarter for 8 minutes, same for third and all fourth quarter for around 36 minutes. Kemba can play all first and third quarters, and 6 minutes each in second and fourth quarters for 36 also.

  • takeme2cruz

    lol

  • vincent

    lol thats just common sense 🙂

  • Howan Cheung

    Good to know I am not the only only wasting time on a garbage game during vacation

  • In one article about Shane Larkin and the Nets (see below), he shared an interesting comment that showed how much a GM has an influence in giving a direction of who wants to be played.
    “[Until mid-February], there was no GM telling him who he wants to be played, what he wants to do. It changes everything because there’s no real direction.”

    It’s definitely a sobering thought about Lin’s role in the Hornets is under the direction of Rich Cho as GM who has the right to tell Clifford what to do. From Day 1, he said Lin is to power the bench and he stuck by it.

    If it were purely basketball decision, JLin can be the main PG and Kemba can be the lethal SG to have a chance to win vs the Heat. But since it’s a business decision that the Hornets are fully invested in Kemba, they have to be satisfied with how far Kemba can bring them. They’re giving Kemba multiple chances until they run out of them. Otherwise, Kemba can get Cho and Clifford fired. Just like Harden got McHale fired for benching him in the playoff so the Rockets can lead a comeback vs the Clippers who won the series.

    It’s pretty sad reality that it’s not just basketball decision. But we can adjust our expectations that JLin can contribute his best in his limited role despite knowing he can do so much more. On the plus side, it will help fans to know JLin will not extend his Charlotte stay if he has better options somewhere else. The Hornets will sink and swim with Kemba. And currently it’s in a dire need of a lifeguard.

    “It’s tough, especially as a point guard because you’re an extension of the coach on the floor,” Larkin said. “I mean, at the beginning of the year, there were several articles saying, ‘Oh, it’s Larkin’s breakout year, he’s finally found himself, averaging this and that, shooting well from the three.’ I was really comfortable with Coach Hollins. But after 37 games, to be exact, Coach Hollins was out of here and Billy King was released or whatever it was so it was like we didn’t really have a lot of direction. Coach Tony was kind of just handed the job like, ‘Alright, here you go.’ It was kind of like, ‘Just like go play basketball.’ [Until mid-February], there was no GM telling him who he wants to be played, what he wants to do. It changes everything because there’s no real direction. There’s no, ‘Oh, let’s play the young guys in this type of system.’ It’s kind of just like, ‘Okay, here’s the guys you have – go out and try to win basketball games.’ I mean, that’s tough. Coach Tony wanted to change some things up, whether it’s not running as many pick-and-rolls or playing more up-tempo, post feeds, cuts, stuff like that.

    http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-larkin-needs-opportunity-stability/?platform=hootsuite

  • jimmyL

    If it’s really Cho then, I’m not even mad Cho is a good guy
    I still think it’s Clifford he already said he talks to MJ a lot w/o Cho
    CHo cant tell Clifford what specific plays to run and Clifford still doesnt call any plays for Lin even when starters are resting
    this is on clifford

  • JoeTeam

    why not just give Lin the rock for 2 games to get in the playoffs, since they only have a 6% change now anyway. If they get to round 2, try KW ball again. Repeat. The deeper CHA goes, the more money GM will have to earn next year, for KW or Batum or both ball. JLin is gone, so just us the rental you paid for it.

    It doesn’t feel like KW minds either way, because if Lin PGs, he gets good numbers anyway.

  • I’m less concerned if the blame is at Clifford or Cho.

    Either way, both are afraid of losing their job if they don’t feature Kemba to help him succeed (or Lin outshine Kemba)

    I want to bring an awareness that the Hornets is a lame duck.
    They can’t win with Kemba ISO ball but they can’t choose to feature JLin much either since the coach/GM are afraid of getting fired.

    The only hope of any good Hornets games is if Kemba realizes he can’t win by himself and share the ball.
    And the chance of that happening is very low judging by how he played and commented. No hints of teamball.

    0-4 should be the right expectation with more heavy dose of Kemba-ISO ball

  • JoeTeam

    Hi, start a business before you get old. But then again, Colonel Sanders did KFC late in life lol.

  • Sadly, I think that 6% also applies to the chance Clifford will ask Kemba to play team-ball.
    All season long we saw Cliff’s inability to reign in Kemba.
    Plus Cliff’s interview never indicated the lack of teamball and low # of assists to be the main problem,
    He’s clearly in denial.

    Maybe MJ would stop by the Hornets practice to reiterate the message of teamball.
    It worked for 1 game the last time they blew out the Hawks LOL

  • heart
  • Let’s hope so. Starting JLin next to Kemba will be a good first step so the expectation is clear they will share the playmaking.

    The best case might be 60-40 playmaking since Kemba would like to be the hero.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks heart. I’ve already passed the message on:-)

  • check out the latest Lin diplomatic comment on Kenny Atkinson.
    The Lin-Nets news is a lot more cheerful nowadays 🙂

    The Nets’ hiring of Kenny Atkinson as coach has led to speculation on whether Jeremy Lin, who worked with Atkinson while he was a Knicks assistant, might be attracted to Brooklyn this summer, when he’s likely to out of his $2.2 million player option.

    In talking with Andrew Keh of the Times this week, Lin didn’t go there, but he didn’t say the Akinson connection was meaningless. In fact, he reiterated a lot of what he’s said in the past about Atkinson. .

    “I’ve kind of been saying it was just a matter of time for him because I know how good he is, I know how much he was there for me in New York,” Lin said. “When you’re around him, you kind of understand there’s something different about him: his energy, his passion, the juice he approaches his work with.”

    https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/723275632822652928

  • Steppen03

    It’s really weird – thought you’d lose your job if you don’t win games – huh… in the playoff. Anyway, it’s only 2-3 games left for me to endure JL7’s limited role.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! This NYT article again get the attention from NY media….Not sure Lin will get the offer from Nets again this summer or not but media sure tried hard to make Lin & Atkinson looks good to each other.

  • zxcvb

    Translation: “Brook-Lin baby, BROOK-LIN!”

  • zxcvb

    They’re really going all in for Durant, I guess.

  • JoeTeam

    On this, I have to admit right now you guys were right given JLin says what you said. My path of stats disproving fake stats has to fold to JLin’s view, so Hi-5 to all-yaz smarter folks. Go team JLin Fans! who are wiser than JoeTeam.

  • zxcvb

    I don’t even want Lin to play with Batum anymore. Too slow and injury-riddled. Let’s have a fresh start for Lin in Brooklyn. Bogdanovic and/or Bazemore would be great wings for Jeremy to play with.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I’m not that hopeful as Cliff/Kemba/Hornets might start Frank the tank like it happened in the past. They always use the fit issues to not wanting to start JLin. They fear for another Linsanity game. Cliff/Kemba just can’t allow JLin to shine another game esp in playoffs games. They would rather lose than win. I’d be very surprise if they start JLin.

  • Alain Gervais

    Im starting to think Lin to brooklyn is set.

  • Steppen03

    No knock on Batum BUT his game will not change the result against this Heat team. Heat is on a different level in the playoff with the way they’ve been playing – Far superior than the Hornets. If JL7 don’t have his pg duties and playing 35+ min – It Will Be A Sweep. Bank It!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • zxcvb

    Backs up what Lin fans have been saying all season. Lin is leaving no matter what so there’s no incentive to play him. It’s not like they’re winning a title anyway, so they’d rather sink with Kemba than swim with Lin.

    For the record, I didn’t mind Lin coming off the bench when MKG was healthy. But starting 15th man PJ Hairston above him was laughable and the end of my trust in Clifford and Cho.

    I also didn’t mind Lin playing 26mpg…if he were allowed to be a real PG when he’s on the court (esp. since Kemba has always been a SG in a PG’s body). But he’s backup SG even when he plays. Stands in the corner 90% of games.

  • Nets fans are ready for some Linsanity fever 🙂
    https://twitter.com/dbearak/status/723288076945096704

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOL I was about to post it here too. It would be fun:-)

  • hehe.. These Brook-LIN news definitely bring more smiles LOL

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I know. I like JLin answers too. It’s disrespect Hornets and teammates to discuss personal business matter while they are in playoffs, something in that nature:-)

    Found the quote in the article: “He noted it would be disrespectful to the Hornets organization and his teammates to discuss personal business during this postseason run.”

  • zxcvb

    I’m 99% sure he’ll get an offer. Now I don’t know if Marks will give Lin the starting job outright. But as long as he’s wanted and there’s a coach with a clear history of supporting Lin when no one else would, then I’m confident he can earn the starter’s job by season’s end.

    Nets really have no choice…who are they going to get? No 1st rd picks. No good trade assets. Weak market for free agent PGs this summer. Nets also need a major PR makeover — Lin would be perfect for their image and $$$ (Prokhorov has lost a lot of money in the past few years).

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Is there a Brook in the team???? Sorry I don’t know much about Nets. Too lazy to check out:-)

  • Steppen03

    X-factor is and will always be JL7. Kemba is leader but he’s failed to lead (what assists ?). Even if KW plays really well – the Hornets still NEED JL7 to seal the deal with his all-around game (not just scoring) against “Elite” teams, yes, Heat is superior team so are the Celtics, Hawks, Raptors.

  • zxcvb

    I actually predict a win in Game 3. Down 0-2, Kemba will let Lin play PG if he’s hot.

    Lin will deliver…and then Kemba/Cliff will return to the status quo for Game 4. And lose.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    they misspelled BrookLin though

  • ViNuyork

    haha,,,gonna get ready with my moves then…hopefully it does happen–brookLin 🙂 🙂

  • ViNuyork

    JLIn but as a pg…they need ball movements…iso-kemba losts 2 games olredi

  • Win

    I would love to see Lin sign with the Nets next season. Hornets is more like a rehab season for Lin thanks to the stupid Byron Scott. And I personally think Brooklyn is a lot more mature compare to 76ers.

  • freemind

    Someone been ingraining he is the leader. go be the leader . hmm. I tried to see him as one but what I gathered from his blog isn’t translating into leadership. Talking about being a leader does not make one. Not sure what happen behind the scene thou. Honestly I see Lin being the missing glue holding the puzzle pieces together instead.

    In Kemba’s words

    “….
    so I knew I had to step up, but that’s how it is when you’re a leader.
    I’m the leader of this team, and when it’s time to win, I know the ball
    is going to come to me and I’ll have to make the necessary plays to win
    games. I need to show that leadership. I gotta be a leader at all times,
    so that’s what I try to do. I know that I’m having the best season of
    my career thus far with the percentages and stuff if you look at the
    numbers, but I think my leadership has been at its best and separated me
    a lot this year.”

    “I know that it helps that I’ve been here and
    had that first playoff experience though. That helped me a lot. I’m
    older and more mature now. A couple of years in the NBA counts for a
    lot. I can manipulate defenses better, so I’m ready for it.”

    “Courtney’s been helping us out a lot as well. He’s just so smart, plays his role, and doesn’t try to do too much.”

  • Steppen03

    They are the Nets. Even The Rockets made JL7 starter in his first year there. With years under his belt it’s crazy that people don’t find a gem in JL7 – can compete with any top picks and most starters. What’s the risks of starting him ? Nothing to lose but plenty to gain.

  • Win

    Yup. Prokhorov know business unlike James Dolan. Lin is starting PG with Nets it is!!!

  • adele

    I’m already old. Lol! I will. It’s in the works right now.

  • freemind

    I am excited at the thought of him in NY . Hmm I can’t help but ask …WWJD LOL

  • Steppen03

    It’s the McHale and BScott that had falsely labeled Lin. For what’s worth: Cliff is still 100s times better than those two clueless coach.

  • It’s ironic that he said Courtney is “smart, plays his role and doesn’t try to do too much” 🙂

    Hornets definitely follows the Rockets path in grooming Kemba to be like Harden, but Kemba is less talented and shorter than Harden.

  • sws94

    I think he may not start Lin but I doubt he wants to risk starting rookie Frank Kaminsky in Lin’s place. I think Lin is the likeliest starter for Batum. He’s done that the majority of games Batum couldn’t go and Lin played outstanding in some of them. But he may also go big and start Cody, Al and Marvin together or something like that.

    I totally disagree that Cliff has any interest in losing games. I think he wants to win the playoffs. It does not in any way help Clifford to lose playoff games. His standing and ratings go down if he can’t win a game in 2 playoff series. If not for purely selfish reasons only, Clifford wants to win and I think he really doesn’t care who steps up. I take actually an opposite point of view and think Cliff would love to see Lin do well and I also think MJ is hoping Lin can do it also and may even be there on the bench cheering the team on.

  • Win

    Agreed. At least Clifford did let him play and keep telling media that no one know how good Lin’s defense really is. Lin did got a lot of benefit this season playing with Hornets even Hornets is such a mess in the playoff. I would say at least 9 Millions multiples years contract for Lin.

  • Now we know it’s too much to expect the Hornets to woo Lin to stay by asking Kemba to share the ball.

    It’s weird that they put all their eggs in Kemba although he can’t carry them to win vs powerful teams.
    But politics will be politics

    Glad JLin will be leaving soon

  • freemind

    exactly. highlighted that because of “doesn’t try to do too much”
    I think he wished Lin did not do so much. Also he never mentioned Lin at all …ok maybe once just in passing mentioned with Lamb coming off the bench. smh.

  • adele

    Thank you HVJoy. Appreciate it. I respect acbc posts a lot. It’s a pity he doesn’t post much often. His posts are quality posts where you can see the kind of person or Lin fans are.

  • Win

    It really doesn’t matter now. Hornets is such a mess in da playoff and Clifford has no clue how to fix it beside keep banking on Kemba.

  • Win

    Wow. If Scott Brooks coach for Wizards, KD might really sign with them then. Since Lin gonna start for Brooklyn, really wish KD can stay in the west.

  • dave lam

    Anyone know which was the only reporter gave Lin 1st place vote for 6MY ? We should acknowledge his vote

  • sws94

    Having Lin starting for Brooklyn is way, way premature.

  • adele

    As what you have said he was hired to be a back up pg. are you a Lin fan? You think he did not prove his leadership? That’s your view! That’s what you think. That’s not what I think! I think Lin is a much better of a player, a pg and a leader than Kemba. Too bad that the hornets team already anointed Kemba to be the face of their franchise way before Lin.

  • Win

    Haha, I know. It is only my wish.

  • real-dsb

    I don’t want beat writers “logic”, any analyst can provide “logic”. I want beat writers to give us the inside scoop from inside sources!

  • grover chang

    Yes starting center. Very good. Brook Lopez

  • real-dsb

    Just look at what Wade did to Kobe in the ASG. Broke his nose… in an ASG!!

  • Acbc

    I’ve been saying this from day one of every team Lin’s played on since linsanity. I said it against Morey and accused him of using his position to protect his own fame and legitimacy as a boy genius GM. Lin made every GM look like a bunch of clowns and they’ve made it their mission to make sure Lin will be a blip and a “fluke”.

    Mchale was just a henchman.

    I accused Cho of this complicity since day one when it was obvious that CHO’s man Kemba and Batum was being outshined by a 2 million dollar sub. Cliffrod was bought sold and delivered to stay the party line to protect CHO’s job and make sure he’s the one looking good in the end.

    The old boys club of the NBA is deliberately excluding Lin into the club and there’s nothing he can do about it.

    Anyone that thinks Lin will get a fair shake in New Jersey will have to have a great leap of faith in the crazy owner and GM to believe the coach can override those bosses above him.

    Jerry Colangelo and Brian have had a great relationship with MDA. They’ve seen what a white Canadian kid could do to be a great floor general for their team. I’m sure Nash will have many great things to recommend about Lin’s game to them as well.

    Lin to Philli is a match made in heaven. I’m betting the farm on it.

  • sws94

    It would be nice for me but I really want to learn from the big mistake most Lin fans made last year. We had him in Dallas and playing for Carlisle. Then the D’Andre Jordan weirdness happen. Then Lin signed with Charlotte. That’s why I say repeatedly, just let things develop because what seems like things developing now are too early to determine all of the factors that will take place in the summer.

  • Win

    Yup Brook Lopez, His brother Robin Lopez play for the Knicks.

  • LinMad

    When Hornets fans say Lin can’t defend or is so so in defense, but stats says otherwise…looks like whoever is on Lee and MW aren’t afraid to shoot the ball. Lee is doing fine though but offensive he has no impact on the game. KW’s defense is horrible. Cody Zeller’s defense is just sad. Frank needs more minutes. Lin needs to start and get more touches on both ends. Lin having impact on both sides of court.

    https://twitter.com/datastats/status/723220367465050113

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Good to know. Thanks!

  • Win

    True. But I really don’t wanna see Lin play for 76ers. I am a afraid Lin gonna be a scapegoat again if the team is not doing well. I do think Brooklyn is a lot better than the 76ers.

  • sws94

    They aren’t the only two choices and really, do we know what Lin wants to do? What if we are all wrong and he wants to return to Charlotte? We just have to wait and see what his priorities are. Everything is is guessing and confirmation bias based on a little bit he said here and there, but he’s said nothing definitive and won’t while his team is in the playoffs.

  • Win

    Lin can play defense. Even as stubborn as Clifford told media few times that no body realize how good Lin defense is.

    Cody is against whiteside so it is just normal.

    KW is too short and small and his defense is known to be average at best.

    MW was really a surprise though.

  • Win

    You are right. No body know at this point. I personally think Jazzs is not a bad choice neither. But who knows?

    There only one thing I know that Lin will get a lot more offer this off season thanks to the Hornets.

  • LinMad

    I guess some Hornets fans are just Lin haters. They really bag on Lin’s defense but they are using their bias towards him like the refs do. I don’t even know how they can bag on Lin’s offense, he gets to the line a lot. If the coach was any smarter, we’d be exploiting that and getting Heat players in foul trouble. Lin needs the ball in his hands to create havoc on the offensive end. Once he shoots more, gets to the foul line more and PnR/create plays, Lin will look like an all star. But Cliff doesn’t want that to happen.

  • TTNN
  • Win

    Wow. KW really said that?

  • TTNN
  • This was nicely compiled by our very own @real_dsb:disqus 🙂

    I don’t know what happened to Marvin who usually is good.
    Hope he plays better.

    Al might also have defensive lapses of being too slow or too far to cover Heat player driving to the rim.
    So it might not be reflected here

  • sws94

    The more the better.

  • Kemba is +22 for the Heat when he’s on the floor?
    Maybe he wears the wrong jersey 🙂

  • Win

    Agreed. As long as Lin can play PG, over 30 mins and close; I really wouldn’t mind Lin coming off the bench like Manu Ginobili. However, Hornets is such a mess right now. Lin should leave asap!

  • LinMad

    LOL how does coach not leave Lin in knowing this? When Lin is off court…Heat takes advantage.

  • Win

    Let me take a wild guess. Must be the realgm site. There are a lot of bias Hornets Fans there.

  • Win

    Clifford is good at number but being denial on all the numbers related to Lin.

  • TTNN

    yeah, Hornets shoot worse and Heat shoot better…….

  • Win

    Hey, TTNN, did realgm Hornets fan trashed Lin like usual?

  • Win

    Good old time is coming back. First go to the game, then Korean BBQ (24 hours in NYC) after the game. Brooklin it is!

  • LinMad

    I saw the Batum on/off court split and it was horrible. How can anyone think Batum is a max contract player? This is who Clifford, Hornets FO and so many Hornets fans believe will be the face of the franchise?

    Also he gets injured so easily compared to Jeremy Lin. Lin takes shots to the head and body way more than Batum. Batum could be running and tripping on his own feet and could be out for 2-3 weeks. Batum is so injury proned and I think it has to do with Clifford playing him out of position too. But seriously, his injuries has always been his ankle or toe. It’s ridiculous. Lin can play out of his position as well but he’s not injury prone. He’s been playing anything from PG, SG, SF and he puts way more effort into defending than Batum does.

    I don’t hate Batum, i just hate the fans and the coach for not giving Lin a bigger chance to prove himself to the franchise. If Lin was playing 30 minutes per game, got to shoot at least 12 times a night and play at least 15 minutes of point guard, Hornets would be doing better this season. Way better.

  • TTNN

    Well, you could tell already in that Spurs game. Lin played so well, that coach will need to bench Lee who played equally well to play Lin. But he kept 2-11 Kemba on the court to finish the game.

    That’s pretty telling.

  • donsmacau

    Excellent data – It does not get more bare-naked than that.

  • Win

    Yea. Batum injury a lot. I am really not sure if he is a max player.

  • TTNN

    don’t know….. didn’t read too much recently…..

  • Win

    Clifford won’t and can’t not bench KW, remember he did it once earlier this season against the Knicks. I am guessing the FO told him DO NOT BENCH KW ever again as we never see Clifford sit KW even when he has a really bad game.

  • Win

    I see.

    🙂

  • adele

    Acbc, much as I respect and like your posts, I have a vested interest on Lin going to be with the Nets. You see, I can get a year round pass in all the games at the Barclay center. I can get to see Lin in person and watch all the home games. That’s pretty cool! BrookLin it is🙏

  • donsmacau

    Have you run the same analysis for Big Al?

    Would be interesting because that is the other major component of Clifford’s playoff gameplan..

  • LinMad

    Is Hornets FO making more money off Kemba than Lin? NO. It’ll probably take at least 4 seasons of Kemba to sell as much as Lin in 1 season. I guess they are angry that Lin is moving to a different team next season. Lin might have thought about staying if he was treated fairly.

  • TTNN

    Not sure whether it was FO, but coach Clifford does behave like he’s super careful to nurture Kemba’s ego, just like McHale did to Harden.

  • Win

    Yes. But the problem is they already invested so much on Kemba before Lin arrival.

  • TTNN

    No, Kemba was picked by MJ, and also he just signed a shoe deal with Jordan. So pump up Kemba will help MJ too. So obviously coach can not mess up that part.

  • sws94

    They trash Al. They don’t like him. Not very much said about Lin.

  • adele

    Very true. They can’t afford to have Linsanity more points than Kemba specially in the playoffs.

  • TTNN
  • Win

    Agreed. That what I have been trying to tell the Lin fans. They gave invested a lot on Kemba so they won’t make him look bad.

    Well, at least we can be thankful as Lin is having a great season!

  • Win

    Tks! I actually Al is pretty useful in this series.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    We know but Cliff is too blind….. to see this. Whatever his reasons are, I totally give up on him since Dec/Jan.

  • TTNN

    He helped both team offensively……………

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOL Good one! Yes Kemba is:-) He is always playing for another team and yet he is the franchise player. Ironic? Nop! It’s just NBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Win

    Yea. Al is too slow for defense. But I really believe he can get Whiteside in foul trouble

  • LinMad

    eye/gut test i guess like Byron Scott. aka politics/protect the franchise star.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Whatever the reasons behind of this, I give up on Cliff/Hornets…. long time ago. Just glad that JLin has a lot more options this coming FA.

  • Win

    I think is the FO or even MJ. As mentioned above, Clifford did bench kemba once earlier in the season against the Knicks.

  • LinMad

    so basically, Jeremy Lin is in 4 of the top 5 best lineups for the Hornets. All of which has a positive net rating. Yet Cliff decides to spend more of the minutes on lineups that aren’t working and have negative net ratings.

  • donsmacau

    Thanks,
    Not easy to determine Al’s impact since he is on the worst lineup but also on some of the better lineups.

  • cdblue10

    “THE LIN FANS”LOL!!!!!Some people have a problem about their true identity as a fan?

  • Win

    lol. IMO, there are many different types of Lin fans. I am the type that accepted the reality so I know Hornets, coach, FO, etc will not bank on Lin as they have invested to much on Kemba.

  • Win

    No offense though. It doesn’t what type of Lin fans you are. Lin fans is Lin’s fan after all.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Don’t care who it’s. Cliff is definitely part of this. I give up on Hornets/Cliff….. long long time again. Only still watch NBA periodically because of JLin. Can’t wait for the season to end. 2-3 more games to go…… Then I can look forward to JLin’s Asia trip, then FA…..

  • Win

    and I will transform to BrookLIN Lin Fans in the near future.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    You don’t need to convince anyone of us. Each of us is entitled to one’s opinion. You don’t have to educate any of us. We are all smart in our own judgment of JLin situation.

  • cdblue10

    I accepted the reality what was going with LIN SITUATION in Hornets and I don’t classified “THE LIN FANS”like a different entities of fan with basketball.So your point here ..,you know more what was going on than the “LIN FANS”?

  • Win

    Is not educate, is more like a comment and I respect comments from others too.

  • cdblue10

    Lol…it’s either you’re a Lin fan or just a band wagoner .

  • Win

    Hmmm. I didn’t really mean it that way. I apologize if I sounded like it.

  • Win

    Nope. I am a Lin fans ever since Linsanity. And I live in NY so I really wish Lin start for the BrookLIN Nets.

  • Win

    Or maybe I should say my “Fellow Lin fans”? Does it sound better? Sorry as my english is really not that good.

  • cdblue10

    No worries Win…I apologized too for not reading you correctly

  • Win

    Not a problem. We are all Lin fans. I also think the one that made the video is the “Hard Working Lin Fans” lol. Salute to them!

  • kauaiblue

    There is no doubt in my mind that hornets r deliberately s u ppressing jlin…

  • Win

    Almost time to see Warriors beat the Rockets guy! Go Warriors!

  • Michael

    Says the guy who takes 30+ shots…= =

  • kauaiblue

    Self proclaimed leader… lol

  • Win

    Correction. That what I have been trying to tell my fellow Lin fans. Sorry for the bad English.

  • kauaiblue

    Good response… atta boy jeremy…

  • CJSHYY

    Report: ’50-50′ Chance Brett Brown Returns As 76ers’ Coach

    True?

    http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2016/04/14/50-50-brett-brown-76ers-coach/

  • Win

    Even if it is true. I still hope Lin can start for the Nets as I think their roster is much more mature compare to 76ers.

    And beside, I live in NY so I can go to the game more often. Hehe.

  • zxcvb

    Jerry Colangelo always wanted to replace Brown with MDA. Hiring MDA as “associate head coach” was the first thing he did! But I think Bryan Colangelo is having second thoughts about firing Brown.

    He doesn’t want to get any more hate than he already has, and Sixers ownership would have to pay Brown’s extension regardless. There’s also speculation that he’s keeping Brown as “insurance” for a bad season next year. If the Sixers don’t turn things around, then he can blame Brown and fire him then.

    Sixers seem to be very conflicted. Ownership wants Brown and all young talent. Jerry Colangelo wants MDA and vets. Brooklyn looks better to me now that Atkinson and Marks are in charge.

  • jimmyL

    I’d give Cho the benefit of the doubt he did a good job bringing those players
    Clifford needs to coach better, simple as that.

  • jimmyL

    Kobe is dirty too lol

  • Epie

    LOL from ClutchFans forum “Almost game time, but it had only 8 pages. Lin thread had more people than here”

  • Win

    Haha. Good for them. They deserve it.

  • Steppen03

    Yes, it’s not much story but it’s wise guesses: JL7 to 76ers, to Nets. One thing for sure: JL7 IS looking for a Starting gig for a promise of a full season at least. Sorry, he’s not coming back to Hornets … It’s not because the Hornets bad but there’s not “growth.” Growth is competition at the highest level – only a starting job that provides. He doesnt want to be backup pg or starting sg. Why, you don’t want him to be a starter ?? I know you’re afraid that he’ll be on bad team – But it’s at least “his team.” He’ll be responsible for their performance. We need to believe in Lin that he can carry a team (like HS, like Harvard, like Knicks, like Rox, like Lakers). To me, he has proven himself – a difference maker.

  • DrewBear2

    I’m new to this forum, so I understand why I keep getting hit with this question. Yes, I am a fan of Jeremy. I grew up a big NBA fan, but got disillusioned sometime in the 80s and stopped watching. Linsanity brought me partially back, but really only to watch games in which Jeremy plays. I didn’t even watch the few games Jeremy missed this season and I probably won’t watch the NBA again once Jeremy’s career is over.

    I won’t go into details, but if you’re familiar with the concept of “six degrees of separation”, I’m 2 degrees away from Jeremy. I have a not-so-infinitesimal chance of actually meeting him in a social setting one of these off-seasons. Aside from that, I’m a Christian Asian guy who grew up in the Bay Area. So I identify with him in a number of ways and I am a big fan & supporter.

    All that said, my reasoned opinion (we’re all just expressing opinions here) is that Kemba has earned and retained his position as starting PG. He was not “anointed”. Kemba was drafted the same season Jeremy played for the Knicks. Charlotte was dead last, then 2nd from last his first 2 seasons.

    Only when Clifford arrived 2 seasons ago did the Bobcats/Hornets find success, followed by disappointment last season. Kemba worked hard for his position of leadership and did more than was expected of him this season. It was by far the best season of his career.

    Jeremy also performed extremely well, beyond expectations. But that isn’t enough to supplant a player who has worked to improve every single season of his 5 years with Charlotte. As much of a Jeremy fan as I am, I simply don’t think that’s enough. Just my opinion.

    As badly as I feel for Nic with this injury, the fact is this might be the opportunity Jeremy needs to show what he can do, not just to the Hornets, but to all the teams who might offer him a contract next season. Those of you who are fellow Believers need to pray hard this week!

  • Win

    Nooooo. Rockets is winning. 🙁

  • CJSHYY

    What? 1stQ…?

  • Win

    Yea. Rockets 17-11

  • CJSHYY

    Good. GSW will catch up. I don’t think they want game 5.

  • Win

    Yup. Game 4 will be the end of story for the Rox and the overrated Harden.

  • james brown

    my thoughts also!

  • james brown

    he already got fewer call..it will never go down to a nil call because they know it will be so obvious!

  • John Focker

    Correction: Rockets are “leading”, not winning.

  • grover chang

    They are leading by 13. I think Rockets got this one. No curry. At home. No one shocked if rockets took one.

  • Win

    Haha. Yup. Tks!

  • grover chang

    Playoff away games are for superstars to take over. GSW does not have their superstar.

  • John Focker

    Maybe MJ is also interested in investing in Blackberry? Seems like he loves make poor investments. Remember Kwame?

  • Win

    Don’t know who is Kwame but maybe is out of desperation as there is really not much so call stars wanna play for Charlotte, a small market.

  • james brown

    is this for “NETS or for sixers”???

    The adidas Crazylight Boost 2.5 Low Jeremy Lin PE

  • james brown

    more look!
    The adidas Crazylight Boost 2.5 Low Jeremy Lin PE

  • NONONO

    Either one.

  • Steppen03

    Promotion: JL7 is Starting PG on Nets or 76ers.
    Demotion: JL7 coming back to Hornets OR backup guard on any team.

  • Win

    I hope…

    Promotion: Nets starting PG
    Demotion: Spurs back up PG

  • HVJoy

    I’v heard of his reputation of being a really mean/dirty player on the court, but thought he might be “nice” off the court.

  • james brown

    he will never resign with hornets team because he knew if batum and marv goes somewhere else, hornets will never be a contender!

  • NONONO

    I think every starter in Hornets team has been effected by the way Clifford has encouraged Kemba play ios without any meaningful defense. KW has his worst defense in the playoffs and everyone else has to try extra harder to cover for him.

  • james brown

    acceptable demotion but hope will never be in jeremy’s mind! LOL

  • NONONO

    I feel bad for Batum, Marvin and Lin

  • Win

    Yea. I really hope all the prediction on Lin sign with Nets as starting PG will come true.

    🙂

  • sws94

    Why do you guys always ask me the same question? How many times have i said it isn’t what I want, it’s what Lin wants?

    I’ve said before, I don’t think anyone here knows what Lin’s priorities are past the playoffs. I really don’t think we do. If he does what some says he will, and goes to a 76ers or Nets, then your guess was right. If he does like he did last season, and signs somewhere unexpected initially on the bench, that’s his choice. It’s up to Lin. Not us. And as much as we want to repeat Lin wants this or that, as much as we want to put him here or there, we don’t know what he wants. That’s my position. And I don’t think a generic every player wants to be a starter or him putting in a good word for a newly hired coach mean that he’s decided anything.

    I want Lin to be happy where he is, healthy and injury free as possible, and be the best he can be from now to the end of his basketball career. I’m not hung up on how he’s on the court more than that he’s on the court. I’ve said repeatedly, his best stats are as a starter and I can see him being recognized for being a 6th man as well if that’s where he ends up. I don’t need to be asked anymore why I want him somewhere where I’ve already made the point that it is up to him and not us and that his best position would be a starter on a winning team but a sixth man on a winning team vs. a starter on a non-contending team would make sense to me as well.

  • james brown

    that’s bad management of team, instead of encouragement, some will be disheatened to play all out!

  • JoeTeam

    my emotions on HOU leading by 15 … the opposite of seeing a bad boy spanked.

  • CJSHYY

    OMG, 35:50??? What’s wrong w GSW?

  • JoeTeam

    no curry, Harden getting whistles, HOU hitting shots. 3rd Q is key. GSW have a team spirit and ethic that we can see it happen. I just don’t want them to shut it down to settle for more revs back in Oakland. It’d be better to have this team rest next week, because LAC, SAS will be able to rest, etc.

  • John Focker

    Same ailment as the Clippers’ game 2 vs Rockets last playoffs: bad-refer-itis!

  • John Focker

    Kwame Brown, top draft in 2001 by MJ (Wizards), is considered top 10 Draft Bust in NBA history.

  • Steppen03

    GS Warriors are humans too. They’re tired. SC30 cannot be replaced… like the way I’ve viewed JL7.

  • NONONO

    Lin could have played backup pg for some good teams with better pay. Somehow Clifford “misled” him and made him believe he could start more games than he did Rockets or Lakers. That is why Lin has NEVER mentioned “backup” whenever he was asked why he joined Hornets.

  • james brown

    “Lin demurred, too, when asked whether he might opt out of his contract
    this summer and what he might seek. He said that it would be
    disrespectful to the Hornets organization and to his teammates to
    discuss personal business during this postseason run.”

  • Win

    Harden is getting call. But they will come back.

  • sws94

    Long game. We’ll see how it goes in the 2nd half. Score is manageable for them to bring the lead down and go ahead.

  • Win

    Oh yea. Now I remember. He also played for the Lakers too.

  • Win

    Only down by 7. No big deal.

  • Steppen03

    That’s Exactly the right thing to do or say. Always think about others’ feelings and have respects. Something the Hou and Lakers media lacks.

  • JoeTeam

    I wanted it to be 8 so nice it’s 7. GSW will adjust – exactly not Cliff …

  • kauaiblue

    I really dislike those state farm commercials with paul, jordan, and love… makes me not want to get that insurance… geico has awesome commercials…

  • JoeTeam

    GSW are explosive and they had Harden figured out except for the whistles. Last game, Harden dove 45 degrees to get a whistle on Clark. That was so unfair, there shoo;d be a pic meme to break the internet.

  • JoeTeam

    geico = warren buffett

  • sws94

    Fake hustle. Rockets will lose game by 10 points. Guaranteed
    –Sir Charles

  • John Focker

    LOVE it when Chuck trashes the Rockets, they’ve “earned” it!

  • sws94

    Clutch City is not back.
    –Kenny Smith

  • HVJoy

    Silver: Law change needed to keep ’17 All-Star in Charlotte – posted 4/21/2016

    “NBA Commissioner Adam Silver believes the NBA has been ‘crystal clear’ that the 2017 All-Star Game only stays in Charlotte if a North Carolina law goes.

    …Silver said last week that the law that limits anti-discrimination protections for lesbian, gay and transgender people was “problematic” for the league….”

    http://www.nba.com/2016/news/04/21/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-says-change-in-nc-law-needed-for-all-star-in-charlotte.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts

  • Win

    Lol. And they are gonna lose Lin and his BIG Asian Markets. MJ is gonna cry.

  • jimmyL

    Harden is actually distributing very well now

  • CJSHYY
  • jimmyL

    You have to be politically correct but this is too much Adam Silver is too extreme he is not much better than Donald Trump in that regard

  • John Focker

    True, but I don’t mind it as much when it’s karma biting a deserving subject.

    On a separate note, I wish Silver was as extreme in dealing with injustice against Lin.

  • NONONO

    If IOS King knows passing the ball, let’s wish KW would follow. Would Clifford change his mind?

  • wandertheglobe

    Morey says: analytics-focused teams have been identifying and acquiring more of what the market undervalues. When I started in the league in 2002, draft picks were undervalued and the use of free agency was overvalued. Forward-looking teams at the time were acquiring more draft picks and using data to improve the success rate of those picks. They were also using free agency less given the high fail rate of players acquired through free agency compared to their salary.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4702872-daryl-morey-talks-moneyball-in-the-nba?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

  • NONONO

    Would they give up non sense promoting KW for AS?

  • John Focker

    N E V E R. In for an inch, in for a foot.

    Did you see that absurd MIP campaign for Kemba? It’s embarrassing.

  • jimmyL

    What karma? what did NC do?

    And that’s another reason why I dont like him
    double standards
    He was so quick to ban the innocent and harmless Donald Sterling
    Yet when it comes to the asian boy, he shrugs it off

  • jimmyL

    KW is not nearly as talented or smart as beard is
    he is a lost cause let him and clifford bring many more lottery picks to charlotee
    oh nvm MJ will just sell them low or waste them on unathletic NC players
    He still hasnt recoevered from kwame hes not fit for making any executive decisions

  • Win

    Marreese Speights is keeping the Warriors in the game.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Klay couldn’t shoot well.

  • Win

    Gotta agreed with that even I hate harden so much. Harden is a much better scorer and much bigger than KW.

  • John Focker

    Another key shortcoming that KW has is his height. He’s 5’11” vs. Harden’s 6’5″.

  • grover chang

    Classy move by Les Alexander, He donated $500,000 to the Houston Area. We had neighborhoods flooded, homes and cars ruined. Worse Flood in the past 16 years. He seems like a good guy. I still remember Les Alexander writing a nice good-bye, thanking Lin for his time in Houston. I still think Les always liked Lin, he was just fooled by his “basketball” people.

  • Win

    Allow me to ask the a stupid question. What is the number stand for on top of the ^ and V arrows stand for?

  • JoeTeam

    upvotes. hover over to see who likes you. down votes v are no longer noted, but I think mods can see how many.

  • Win

    I see. Thanks. I am a dummy on this kind of stuffs.

  • JoeTeam

    just new, not dumb. we are all new to things if we are growing.

  • JoeTeam

    want to cash in on Charles’ guarantee.

  • John Focker

    Too bad he won’t do much with that size on D. His approach is more like protecting the asset (not getting hurt) rather than seeking wins.

  • John Focker

    The Charlotte fans on average have been heads and shoulders above Lakers fans, and let’s not even bring up the toxic KKKlutchfans. By deserving subject I meant the Hornets F/O and coach.

    Absolutely agree on the Sterling (and to a lesser degree, Ferry) thing. The racial prejudice only exists for African Americans in the NBA, Asians be d4mned.

  • JoeTeam

    lol bev talked about like he’s important.

  • BobbyH

    Morey-hyped delusion.

  • JoeTeam

    he had to go to the tunnel to stretch from a self fall. Announcers talk about it like it’s KLenoard or SC.

  • grover chang

    better get bev out of there. He is killing the rockets. Livingston is at shooting practice with Bev on him.

  • JoeTeam

    he’s back …

  • JoeTeam

    u right! SL!!!

  • grover chang

    Anyone got “Dropping Dimes. Dropping Dimes.” stuck in their heads now. Thanks State Farm.

  • Win

    Down by 1. Go Warriors!!!

  • CJSHYY

    Go Warriors! No game 5.

  • JoeTeam

    Sir Charles right on track – want him to be right on this one.

  • Win

    Lol. I hate it so much. Kevin Love look like a clown. But I gotta admit State Farm rate is slightly better the other insurance carrier.

  • Win

    Damn. Klay couldn’t buy a 3 tonight.

  • grover chang

    Man. Rockets need a pg.

  • JoeTeam

    I see what you did there.

  • wandertheglobe
  • Win

    Lol. Harden missed 2FT in a row.

  • jimmyL

    He wants to win bur the entire houston offense relies on him he gets too lazy to play any D

  • JoeTeam

    was that D12?

  • Win

    Yea. I meant Howard.

  • JoeTeam

    I liked it!

  • Win

    Same here. 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    For GSW to win now, they just have to force Harden ISO game.

  • KWC

    Wow Klay what was that

  • CJSHYY

    So mad, Why Rox won by 1. smh!!!

  • KWC

    Barkley has to eat his words

  • Mr Chuckles

    Draymond

  • Win

    7TO

  • Win

    Sigh… Too bad warriors lost. Have a good night guys.

  • Mr Chuckles

    Why on earth did he keep demanding the ball when his passes were so awful?

  • pandaboy99

    Jesus has smiled upon harden tonight

  • webattorney

    As I said GSW is a very beatable team without Curry.

  • CJSHYY

    What’s wrong w Klay? He used to shoot well in 3P….

  • webattorney

    Barkley not as good as me in judging teams or talent level. Rockets can beat GSW without Curry. But Hornets cannot win the series against Heat. Sweep by Heat.

  • webattorney

    Not as good shooter when rushed. Curry gets GSW at least 20 easy points per game.

  • This is a hilarious reaction from HOU bench when Harden made the shot 🙂
    “Oh no, you mean we got to play 2 more games?”

    @SeanFarnham Check out the excitement from the guys on the Rockets bench…
    https://twitter.com/SeanFarnham/status/723368139753287681

  • sport

    Well one things for sure if JLin goes to Brooklyn, he will have a ton of followers from NYC jumping ship to support him!

  • CJSHYY

    They want exit interview ASAP. Don’t want to play w Harden anymore….LOL!

  • DrewBear2

    He’d be a great coach for Jeremy. Question is if new GM Sean Marks has the owner’s approval to sign JLin. It’ll certainly be an interesting summer for Jeremy.

  • james brown

    he has the character, i just hoped he will not be changed by the NBA the soonest he found fame!

  • james brown

    great shot and emotion telling for the whole team!!! what a chemistry they have, only one in the NBA for sure!!! VERY TOXIC…LOL

  • CJSHYY
  • sws94

    Please no. 7 game series with Lin leading the win for at least 2 games. Need Lin to not only do well, but lead the team in a win or 2. I hope that the Heat start missing shots that are making and Hornets 3s fall.

  • JoeTeam

    Good post, psalm … such a destroyed team. Wonder why, years of it I guess. You are probably right, it was probably, “oh no, we have to fly to OAK again.” People want to go party and relax.

  • JoeTeam

    true, because Steph is so off the charts good sure. But then your last sentence is like saying … at least 4 other teams would be better than GSW without Curry, unless they were missing their start player (KD, LBJ, KL/TD, … I don’t say anyone on the Clippers or TOR).

  • DrewBear2

    “According to Tom Moore of the Bucks Country Courier Times, a source gives head coach Brett Brow a “50-50” chance in returning next season. Associate head coach Mike D’Antoni, according to Moore, is expected to succeed Brown.”

    So really the headline could have been “50-50 Chance Mike D’Antoni Becomes 76ers New Coach”. If it’s a power struggle between Colangelo Sr. and Jr., I’d bet on Jerry getting his way.

    The Nets organization are at a better place today, but who knows what’ll happen this summer. And has there really been any solid signs that either organization is interested in Jeremy?

    NBA rumors this time of year are pretty flimsy. Remember the rumors last April after the Lakers were done for the season? Absolutely nothing on the radar for Jeremy with the Hornets.

    It’s entertaining for us to speculate about these early rumors, but really just about anything could happen in the next 2-3 months. It’s going to be very, very interesting and exciting times for Jeremy. It’ll be even more exciting if he can log a “Linsane” game or two this coming week.

  • CJSHYY

    Can’t believe this is their own reporter….?? smh!

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/723376022943469568

  • John Focker

    Bonnell is letting his frustration show… If this is the case with the official reporter, I wonder how the fans are feeling…

  • HVJoy

    Wow. Unbelievable! He sounds like a Heat reporter!

  • John Focker

    …and Jeremy leading Unchained Djangos beat GSW WITH Curry last year. 🙂

  • james brown

    hope JLIN schooled this guy on how to TRUST AND BELIEVE on his team!

  • HVJoy

    And I wonder if the players are feeling so down and discouraged too…

  • james brown

    you can’t teach an OLD DOG new tricks!

  • HVJoy

    good point! lol

  • John Focker

    The entire HOU offense relies on Harden because that’s precisely how Morey crafted it. In 2012, Harden and Lin who have NEVER played together before, scored 49 and 66 pts combined vs Pistons and Hawks. And then Morey proceeded to gradually put Lin away first with Toney and the Bev.

    Rockets are facing its current decadence because of one man only, and it’s not Harden.

  • CJSHYY

    I know I think if they play team ball they will be able to beat Heat but … I don’t like this guy during the game he never tweet any report… what a lousy reporter. smh!

  • John Focker

    I’m certain that they are, especially Marv, Lamb, Daniels and Psycho T.

  • sport

    They just want to get it over with, who wants to play with a ball hog and shot chucker with zero defense? And there’s no way they’re beating GSW just let it be a sweep and move on. Same reason why Hornets aren’t giving much effort on defense, why do the dirty work for someone else to pad stats and look good playoffs? It’s offseason already, time to look good for next contract with eyes watching. Dwight obviously hates Harden, well too bad should’ve said something for Lin when he was there instead of siding with Harden.

  • HVJoy

    You are probably right. Hope Marv breaks out of his shooting slump in the next game, and Lamb, Daniels and Psycho T get some PT.

  • takeme2cruz

    Unintended, he just called out Clifford and KW.

  • DrewBear2

    Rick works for the Charlotte Observer, a newspaper. He does not work for the Hornets. He will get flack for his opinion about the series, but I’m more interested in seeing if he’s right about Nic.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! He’s just like Jonathan from Rox. He covers Hornets. When Lin is out of Hornets I will not want to follow this guy anymore. smh!

  • HVJoy

    As a reporter for a local newspaper, it is natural to assume that Mr. Bonnell would support the Hornets team. His loyalty seems to lie elsewhere.

  • takeme2cruz

    Who gives him the exclusive right team locker room access?

  • John Focker

    Hard to blame him though, after years of loser Kembaball.

  • John Focker

    Wow guys, please try to keep that enthusiasm down…seriously.

  • JFirst

    Since Cliff has no plans to change his game plan — and he practically insulted the reporter(s) who asked him about it (implying that they don’t watch actual games, do not watch enough game tapes and do not know what it’s like actually on the floor) — why are you surprised? Besides, he’s just saying what we’re saying here

  • JFirst

    Then he will sound like the Lakers media with their heads buried in the Kobe sand

  • HVJoy

    True. I’m not blaming him, just surprised by his brutal honesty.

  • DaBoss

    Uggh – someone needs to tell this dude to get over himself.

  • CJSHYY

    I really believe Hornets is able to beat Heat if they play team ball … but so far I am very disappointed by the team. I don’t want this playoff just end so soon.

  • JFirst

    I also believe Hornets can win if they let Jeremy lead. I’m looking at Bonnell’s earlier tweet that you posted above: “Assuming Batum is out Saturday, it’s logical that either Jeremy Lin or Frank Kaminsky would start.” Maybe he was hoping for changes then …

  • DrewBear2

    I doubt he’s the only reporter allowed in the locker room. Print, radio, internet/blogs, TV reporters…I’m guessing there’s a pretty decent group in there, especially during the playoffs.

  • HVJoy

    You are not alone. I hope the Hornets keep on fighting hard no matter what. Don’t give up. No sweep!

  • CJSHYY

    Lin starts or not it’s not important anymore. If he can’t run O… stand in corner for long min means nothing…

  • CJSHYY

    I know. I thought they will have great run… but… smh! Before this series started, Spoelstra was so worry about Hornets & Lin… now he’s sure happy to see how dumb this team to give up what made them into playoff game plan & went back to old style ISO for what? Help Kemba to get MIP player? smh!

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    It would be wrong to punish the Hornets for this law…what did they have to do with passing the law?

    I frankly believe the NBA should stay out of the political theater and let the court take care of this matter…I strongly believe the team should not be penalized for political laws in which they have no influence over.

  • John Focker

    Clifford’s met the F/O’s objective of reaching playoffs, perhaps exceeding it by a bit since they finished sixth rather than eighth. Now he’s fighting for Kemba’s affection so that he’s got his job security covered, not unlike BS/Kobe relationship. It wouldn’t surprise me at if Clifford started saying crap along the lines of: “Kemba’s like a son to me”.

    This type of loser mentality and lack of character is repulsive.

  • DrewBear2

    They walk a fine line, but traditionally reporters are supposed to be objective in their reporting. They try to give their honest appraisal without being offensive. Tweets, however, are not exactly reports. He’s probably trying to create buzz and will clarify his position more fully in print.

  • HVJoy

    Interesting point! Social media on the great Internet have changed so many things, including Journalism, in our daily lives.

  • DrewBear2

    The reporter who asked him that question was not Rick. It was either a Miami reporter or some ESPN guy, someone he didn’t know well. The Hive Talk Live podcast talked about it today and pointed out that Cliff can get testy if he thinks someone is asking a dumb question. You can bet he wasn’t in a great mood after losing another game, so maybe he was a bit more edgy than usual. I don’t think he came across as insulting, but I can see how the reporter might want to portray it that way. It makes for a better story.

  • HVJoy

    Lol

  • takeme2cruz

    No he’s not the only one but he’s one of the main one. The one doing the team talking points.

  • JFirst

    I didn’t say Bonnell asked that question. I have no idea which reporter asked that question, but I’m sure it was a question that was in a lot of reporters -and fans’ – minds. As to whether it was insulting or not, each to his own. “Cliff can get testy if he thinks some is asking a dumb question” – question is if it’s the one who’s asking the question who’s dumb or the one who’s answering it and defending his game plan. I give him credit for believing in what he does, but …

  • DrewBear2

    Just in case this hasn’t been posted: Top 5 Offseason Priorities for the Brooklyn Nets – Bleacher Report
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2634240-top-5-offseason-priorities-for-the-brooklyn-nets

  • Rick Johnson

    Good article. Hope to see a bidding war between 76ers and the Nets. Maybe even Knicks will enter the bidding war too to help drive up the cost.

    “Brooklyn will have to consider Charlotte Hornets combo guard Jeremy Lin, who credited Atkinson for much of his success back in the halcyon days of Linsanity in 2012, when Atkinson was a Knicks assistant. Lin could return to a city that still loves him and the coach that made him without having to return to the team that wronged him.

    As he’s showed during his time in Charlotte, Lin can make a big contribution when playing the point or the 2 guard, and the Nets need help in both places. He is fearless when attacking the basket, and he never stops doing so. The Nets could benefit from the efforts of a guard who draws contact like Lin does.”

  • they should conduct NBA survey for the Last Player To Play With 🙂
    Harden would be Top 3!

  • they’re ready to go Fishing 🙂

  • John Focker

    Easy call: Kobe, Harden and Melo.

  • Barry Allen

    lol

  • Barry Allen

    Most teams are very beatable without their best player.

  • Acbc

    Losers are happy to reach what they think their potentials are. Small minded people with limited dreams can’t want too much of life and play the game of life as a matter of survival. It’s a mind set for protecting what you’ve got instead of reaching for a dream.

    In a way, protecting his own future is why losing first round in playoff is okay. He can blame opponents, bad luck with Batum and MKG out, etc… The narrative is already written. Clifford’s job will be secure for a couple of years again.

    Daring to fail is a lost form of human endeavour it seems. LIKE I KEEP SAYING, CLIFFORD IS ALREADY BEYOND HIS OWN MENTAL CAPACITY. IF he unleashes Lin, he will wind up too far ahead of his own ability to make it happen again. THIS CLIFFORD OR CHO CAN’T ALLOW TO HAPPEN.

  • Acbc

    As its been always, the best way to defend against Lin is to make sure you as an opposing coach sing high praise for Lin before games. Then watch Lin’s own coach ice him out for them instead. Mchale, Scott and Clifford are more than happy to make sure Lin can’t out shine their own” stars”!

  • Acbc

    All teams except any team that has Lin on it. Lol

  • sport

    Lets hope so and both will fight to give Lin the max money and reign to his own team that he deserves!

  • sport

    Not really, if he liked Lin “that” much he would’ve stepped in when Lin was misused. Except he allowed Morey to give more money to Harden pushing Lin aside.

  • sport

    If Lin stars, plays PG, and win at least 2 games sure. But I won’t get my hopes up, it is what it is.

  • Maknusia

    Hi Folks…missed both games…just finished watching the downloads…sigh!…I thought CC would make some in-game adjustments…playoffs is all about matchups and making in-game adjustments…unlike season games he could stick to one

    rotations…especially the starters.

    But during the playoffs…no coach would do that….in today’s GSW vs Rox game….Kerr did well to compete Rox…..Rox been playing bad for the season…because on internal issues…they have really good lineups and players.

    JH and MBeasley played really well…and they competed as how they suppose to play cohesively…GSW…ball was not falling especially KT….and Green with unwarranted TOVs.

    But still GSW been playing well even without their No1!

    Lets see if CC makes some real adjustment and understands it…Lin been contributing as much as he could with limited touches.

    Lets hope there is changes…Go Lin!

  • cdblue10

    This writer completely took my ideas except for not acquiring Williams and Noah…LOL

  • BobbyH

    Pictures worth a thousand words. Now they (in the video) will make sure it won’t happen again.

  • Phillycheese

    Had a read of the SBNation blog for the Nets. They general consensus is they should do better than Lin. The only question is not much better than Lin in Free agency unless you drop $20m on Conley (recovery from injury) or Rondo.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! This statement just told you how much NY loves Lin…. “Lin could return to a city that still loves him and the coach that made him without having to return to the team that wronged him.”

  • BobbyH

    Yep. The false narrative that Lin left for money is still dangling. But NY media won’t buy it. Hope Lin could come back to NY and light up Barclays center night in night out. That would be a slap to Dolan and Melo.

  • BobbyH

    All Lin needs is one season with starting PG position and those doubters will convert.

  • wendzall

    wouldn’t the best way to get wade or johnson to struggle be to have them
    play defense? the hornets keep talking about defense against the miami
    scorers and forget to consider that if those players have to play
    defense against hornets players they would have less of a free run.
    that’s adjustment in my mind. whether it’s lin or lee, hornets need to
    challenge wade and johnson

  • Guest

    Bad 3pt shooting, can’t make the Heat play defense.

  • cdblue10

    Let Kemba and Lee sit and play Lin and Lamb as a starter

  • LW

    NY just can’t forget about Lin, I think the return of Lin will make a perfect story:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/sports/basketball/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets.html?ref=sports

  • cdblue10

    He’s prolly sick and tired with Kemba’s mediocrity.His ineptness to play as a team is what pulling this team down accompanied with a cuddling coach who is scared to lose his job.

  • CJSHYY

    No Kemba. So Hornets can start to play team ball now??

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/723512896110628864

  • heart

    Yep. I do also take issue w/Cho of relegating Lin as a ‘backup’ to KW and not giving him a chance to be starter. Cliff is carrying out FO’s instruction/plan. Cho=Morey! I have no trust for these two.

  • Check out nice NBA Phantom videos between the Heat and the Hornets.
    Some nice JLin moves

  • heart

    Do you know that Andrew Keh’s article on 21 April 2016, “At Last, Jeremy Lin Settles Into Identity of His Own Making” is also in Chinese?点击查看本文中文版 Read in Chinese, http://cn.nytstyle.com/culture/20160422/t22lin/

  • CJSHYY

    Started from game 1, I already felt Heat was playing like Hornets but Hornets…??? smh!

    https://twitter.com/IdoAmir/status/723270109691830272

  • KL

    Honestly I am sick and tired of all the different team boards / forums. Whilst there are a couple of sensible posters, the bulk of them want great players to play out of their mind for the team, at the cheapest contract possible. At the same time, they also want superstars and big names as if they are the ones paying and getting a star player makes the contract worth it. I shake my head at all these guys because they cannot really understand what it takes for a team to win.

  • CJSHYY

    Lots of these Nets fans probably didn’t even watch his games that much this season. Well, they maybe still stay in the impression that he’s OK backup player only.

    I know right now lots of Lin’s fans consider Nets is his saver for the future but I really think all these hype about Lin to Nets most from these NY media really love & want Lin back to NY again. But I am not sure Nets & Kenny Atkinson feel the same way…. ? I believe Lin will have more options this summer so let’s keep open mind.

  • Win

    He is absolutely correct. Hornets doesn’t have a TRUE super star so the only way to make some noise in the playoff is team ball. However, they have total gsve up on that as soon as the playoff has started and Clifford can not or will not do nothing about it. That’s another reason that I don’t wanna see Lin resign with the Hornets.

    BrookLIN Nets it is!

  • Whitman Lam

    Hornets don’t set any good screens. When the opponent has to chase you around set picks, it wears them down. Miami sets a bunch of solid screens for their guards. Charlotte big men only run away before any contact is made on the pick.

  • Whitman Lam

    Dwight Howard and Michael Beasley >>> Jefferson, Marvin, Zeller, and Kaminsky.
    Rich Cho should have traded for Dwight.

  • Whitman Lam

    Nets will probably get Rondo.

  • Win

    Rondo doesn’t fit the New Modern NBA. He can’t not shoot 3s and have a very bad FT %. I hope they will sign and start Lin.

  • Win

    I am guessing Nets will either go after Mike Conley or Lin. Rondo just doesn’t fit the Modern NBA Style.

  • Whitman Lam

    Hornets media shouldn’t let everyone know that Baum won’t be back. Heat don’t have to plan for him anymore.

  • sws94

    Typical, right? Conley is a nice player, but there’s no real excitement in his game. Rondo is pretty slick, but surly, bad shooter. So many want stars. I like the exciting players that some may not consider stars, but they sure play like stars sometimes. That’s Lin.

  • Win

    I actually his style by telling the brutal true. Way better than those butt kissing reporter imo.

    If he can also mention ISO ball never work then would be even better.

  • Win

    Off topic. Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office said it will appeal that decision on Peter Liang case. SMH

  • CJSHYY
  • heart

    SMH! Cliff is a ‘yes’ man. He sees that Lin is one foot out the door that’s why he’s conflicted about giving him the opportunity to shine. Frank is MJ’s pick and future core player but he has not done well for the past two playoff games. The obvious choice is starting Lin, a proven winner, but politics are in play once again impeding Lin’s path. God is giving Hornets an opportunity to save face, yet they are still resisting!

  • CJSHYY
  • Alain Gervais

    Kimansky the guy who kept getting lost on Defense. Very smart

  • JoeTeam

    It’s a tough time for public officials. This is out of respect for the family and community. Too bad it hurts the officer abd his family. A tragedy …

  • Clifford should watch his films to see which player managed to topple Spurs/Cavs/Raptors/Celtics when he gets hot.

    And check if he’s afraid to get fired if the player blows up then leaves in the off-season

  • CJSHYY

    When they talked about high that automatic skip Lin out of lineup

  • CJSHYY

    I really think MJ is not a smart owner even he’s a great player in the past.

  • o why, if height is the problem, we know who should be benched LOL

  • CJSHYY

    I think maybe he didn’t want Lin guard Wade bc maybe more easy for him to get into foul trouble. I think he needs Lin to score more….

  • sws94

    CJSHYY, first cool head. I think yours is. Second, it’s a tough decision based on team considerations and not talent. Lin is the much more talented player and I know Cliff knows this. However, he may not want Lin on Wade as Wade draws fouls and Lee is a little taller to deal with him. Wade will score anyway if he’s hot. Someone has to guard Deng, he’s a major force and he’s just too big for Lin to guard. Frank simply has more size. So if Frank is chosen, it’s for that reason.

    Lin, however, stepped up big for Batum many times against tough opponents. He is a true facilitator and on the offensive end, he is the guy that can get it going and have big nights. He’ll do that anyway and he’ll get minutes, but Kemba needs help facilitating because it is not his game. So Lin is the way better option offensively.

    That’s what Clifford has to consider and why I think it isn’t an automatic that Lin gets the nod.

    I think you have to go with Lin. Frank is a rookie, not a facilitator, and you have to roll the dice with the proven, explosive player. Also Lin has played way better than Frank in the playoffs and the team needs offense to stay with the Heat.

  • sws94

    Right.

  • MEL LIN

    good one

  • Clifford is in self-preservation mode.
    He wants to win only with Hornets future players.

    He should be concerned with winning 1 game to prevent tying 13 playoff losing streak

  • CJSHYY

    Wade already gave the answer before, right? LOL!

  • Alain Gervais

    He will have to play a lot anyways.
    weather he starts or not. or else wave the white flag

  • sws94

    Honestly, this is just a sad story and I don’t like that it creates a riff between Asians and blacks. I wish the best for the officer but for blacks, it’s another police officer shooting someone black and it’s a lot of emotion, bad blood, bad history. A not happy situation at all. Really, I didn’t want to say anything about this but there’s another side to this and some of Lin fans on here are black.

  • CJSHYY

    In fact, I am not that upset bc in late 4Q Lin will be on court not Frank. At this point, start or not it’s not that big deal after all. I just want this playoff extend not end on Monday.

  • heart

    Starting someone w/ ZERO FGM in game1 & 2 and constantly losing his man on the defensive end? This is pure political and blatant hypocrisy at the highest since Cliff is supposedly a “Defense” expert! Hornets don’t deserve Lin. Get out of this swarm and don’t look back, Lin!

  • sws94

    I really think he wants to go with Lin, it’s matchups and defense he’s thinking of. And he’s more a defensive coach than offensive coach. He needs to win a game, and look, he may go with Lin anyway. If he doesn’t, I still can’t see how Lin doesn’t get major minutes in the next game.

  • sws94

    I think we agree and am glad about it.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Cliff will need Lin to be able to get the W.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin will not stay. Don’t worry. I think Lin will have big game on Sat if Hornets still not allow him to do it then game over for this playoff. Monday is last day for Lin as Hornets.

  • sws94

    Strangely worded even though it is twitter. Kaminsky will see more time, but not more than Lin. Sounds like he’s saying Kam will start and get more time than Lin. That would ensure a loss.

  • By now, the pattern is clear that when Lin starts, he has more freedom to create because it will be part of the game-plan.

    With Lin off the bench, he’d have to defer to Kemba who can decide to ISOs or play teamball.
    He might go with Lin because Frank is a rookie, not ready to be a game-changer in a must-win game

    We shall wait and see

  • yes, expecting a rookie to make a difference in a must-win game is too much

  • heart

    Lin can start and end. Lin needs to get Wade in foul trouble while he’s still fresh and get into rhythm quicker to play through 4th. The time is now. Set the tone. Give Lin some respect by starting him. Don’t fall into their line of thinking that it’s ok for Lin to not start but can finish game!!! You always want to start your best player in the beginning to set the tone!

  • CJSHYY

    I think maybe just means to start over Lin… I doubt Frank will have more playing time than Lin. No Batum they will need Lin even more now.

  • a better strategy would be Lin attacking Wade on the defensive end to get him in foul trouble.
    Hornets have to guard Wade as a team, noone can guard him 1:1, not even Batum.

    Clifford is coaching to defend, not to attack the Heat and push the pace.
    He’s clearly falling into Spo’s trap

  • CJSHYY

    I think Wade will let Lin in early foul trouble. Bc Lin vs Wade, it’s Wade will get the super star call. But Lin vs Dragic or others it’s Lin will get the call…. I think that’s one thing Hornets is concern about to start Lin to guard Wade bc he sure will put good D on him & more easy to have foul.

  • CJSHYY

    They need Lin to score…

  • CJSHYY

    Like it or not… Lin vs Wade. Wade will get more calls than Lin…Even Stan told his players. LBJ can do whatever he wants… remember he got fined…. this is NBA they will give super star call like it or not. They need these super star to bring in $$$

  • heart

    Exactly, you need offense to counter Heat strategy. By the end of the day, the team w/ most points wins. Lin can score as well as defend. Give the man some respect, Cliff! This shows that Cliff is playing checker while Spo is playing chess!

  • heart

    And that’s why Lin can get his offense going sooner and points early on the board. He can get into rhythm faster when he starts. He can also gets his teammates going and set them up for easy basket!

  • sws94

    Wade can get Lin in foul trouble. Who’s the superstar who gets the superstar calls? Who is the flopper? Lin on Wade is a big gamble.

  • Win

    Agreed. I mean it is just a tragedy. IMO, the first verdict is way too serve as it really wan’t intentional. The first verdict was really because of all the tensions on all the incidents between police and african american happened in the other states.

    I just hope this thing will end asap.

  • CJSHYY

    You forget about Kemba completely….

  • BobbyH

    Maybe in game 4 if they lose game 3.

  • Win

    Agreed

  • heart

    It’ll open up space for KW to score too. Two play makers instead of one. I just want Cliff to show respect to Lin at this stage regardless the outcome of the game if KW continues to ball hog!

  • sws94

    psalm234, Mr. Wade is an actor who has refs that either don’t know it or reward him for it. I’ve seen so many times him flop or get the calls. He’s a superstar, he gets superstar calls. Lin may get a foul or two on Wade, but I think even in Charlotte, Wade gets more calls over Lin.

    I agree that the team needs to guard Wade. Lee is not stopping Wade from anything. Hopefully, Wade just cools off.

    At any rate, Spo has Cliff’s number. A Linsanity performance is needed with Marv getting back to himself and Kemba scoring but not trying to do everything himself is needed. I’m just hoping for a Linsanity performance that somehow turns into a win so he can entertain the Charlotte crowd for what most of us think is likely the last 2 times. They’d love to see one more Linsanity performance.

  • CJSHYY

    They will do it in late 4Q… in fact, it’s better not let Lin & Kemba together on court too long in 1st half. Lin needs to be more PG time not just SG waiting for ball from Kemba.

  • Win

    For sure.

  • sws94

    I think how much Lin plays with Kemba will depend on how ineffective Kemba is trying to run the offense.

  • CJSHYY

    I believe Kemba will play more than 40 min… no matter effective or not….smh! Sure full 4Q.

  • heart

    Sorry, Lin can also get Wade into foul trouble. Don’t you remember the game in the regular season when Lin guarded Wade and got him into early foul trouble? Unless Heat plays dirty and refs cheat, Lin can guard his man. I think if he starts he will focus on scoring first. Cliff can’t keep be doing the same thing and expect different result. Frank is not a proven player in playoff game! Lin is!

  • takeme2cruz

    Good strategy but Spoelstra is not Clifford. Wade does not guard Lin, either Winslow or Green does.

  • sws94

    I agree. Lin maybe close to 40. Depends. Sometimes he plays Lin even more minutes than Kemba when Batum is out.

  • takeme2cruz

    If height was the problem they should bench KW but obviously it’s just an excuse not to start Lin.

  • sws94

    It would be Wade if Lin started, however. Winslow and Green come off of the bench.

  • CJSHYY

    I think so but hope not that long. I think Cliff needs this W on Sat… it should be good game from Lin. If not use Lin again then game over.

  • Win

    Playoff is different. I strongly believe Wade can get away with a lot of call. smh.

  • takeme2cruz

    but I doubt he will.

  • takeme2cruz

    This series would turn around had the rolled ankle was on KW instead of Batum. Stats showing Kemba gave the Heat +21 points when he’s on the floor no matter how many shots he made.

  • Win

    Not sure it if will works. It is playoff game and I am almost sure that Wade will get away with a lot of calls.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! That’s what we were talking about it …. the other day, my friend heard Batum got rolled ankle… then we both said why it’s not Kemba… We’re mean ….LOL!

  • Win

    Lol. Agreed. That why I said in the game thread I wish KW was the one who sprain his ankle.

  • sws94

    If you look at playoff games from Wade over the years, it’s right there. He absolutely gets away with a lot of calls. He’s a superstar.

  • Michael

    But but but… he has the heart of a giant.

  • sws94

    If Lin starts, who else will guard him? Unless they put Wade on Kemba and Dragic on Lin, but that wouldn’t make much sense. We’ll have to see what Cliff decides. He just may not say anything until a half-hour before the game so Spo can’t game plan. But Spo is game-planning both scenarios anyway.

  • donsmacau

    Screen sets for Hornet guards are too complex of a concept for Clifford – you may think I’m being sarcastic – but I’m serious.

  • donsmacau

    Or could mean Kemba will go out to prove he is the true MIP and take 35 shots.

  • takeme2cruz

    Didn’t Clifford lecture the press that “you put your best players on the floor”, but today he’s leaning to “matching up with heights”? Told you, Clifford is a liar and a hypocrite from day 1.

  • heart

    Yep. I posted that earlier!

  • Win

    Not a liar but a clueless coach imo.

  • Win

    I also found it very funny that he always bring up Pat Riley and Van Gundy during an interview to make is comment or pov more convincing or something like that. Smh…..

  • takeme2cruz

    He can’t come up with one by himself.

  • heart

    W/ non-foul calls being given a lot of attention on Lin at this moment, I’d think Lin will get some fair calls. He’s smart enough not to get into early foul trouble w/ whomever he will be guarding. Besides Spo might not have Wade guard Lin. Spo rotates his guys according to game flow and based on who’s on the floor at the moment. I’d say there’s no fear in using your best player to start the game if your choice is between Frank or Lin. Frank is playing scared and has been ineffective for two games straight w/o playoff experience. There should not be a question or indecisiveness as to whom should start, SMH! This is pure politics to me!

  • KWC

    That means he is not very confident about his ideas so he needs to bring in someone he considers more “authoritative” to improve the credibility of his comments.

  • DrewBear2

    Jeremy started 13 games this season. He replaced Nic 11 times, Kemba & Cody once each. 6 of the games were against playoff caliber teams and Jeremy lead the team to 3 wins.

    November 20, 2015 Philadelphia 76ers: replaced Cody in the starting lineup, blowout win.
    29 minutes, 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists

    December 17, 2015 Toronto Raptors: replaced Nic, won by 10 points in overtime. Linsanity! Player of the Game.
    47 minutes, 35 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists

    January 2, 2016 OKC: replaced Nic, lost by 19.
    34 minutes, 15 points, 1 rebounds, 4 assists

    January 4, 2016 GSW: replaced Nic, lost by 10.
    31 minutes, 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assists

    January 6, 2016 Phoenix Suns: replaced Nic, lost by 9.
    29 minutes, 15 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists

    January 9, 2016 LAC: replaced Nic, lost by 14.
    41 minutes, 26 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists

    January 22, 2016 Orlando Magic: replaced Nic, won by 4.
    30 minutes, 7 points, 1 rebounds, 4 assists

    January 23, 2016 Knicks: replaced Nic, won by 13. Player of the Game? Kemba also had a good game.
    40 minutes, 26 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists

    January 25, 2016 Sacramento Kings: replaced Nic, won by 1 double overtime. Double-double. Player of the Game? Kemba also had a good game.
    50 minutes, 20 points, 7 rebounds, 11 assists

    January 31, 2016 Lakers: replaced Nic, won by 19
    22 minutes, 6 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists

    February 3, 2016 Cleveland Cavaliers: replaced Kemba, won by 9. Linsanity! Player of the Game.
    32 minutes, 24 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists

    April 5, 2016 Toronto Raptors: replaced Nic, won by 6. Linsanity? Player of the Game. This is the second time this season Jeremy had success against Toronto.
    40 minutes, 21 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists

    April 13, 2016 Orlando Magic: Final game of the regular season, replaced Nic, blowout win.
    21 minutes, 10 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists

  • CJSHYY

    Thanks for such good infor.

  • DrewBear2

    Jeremy also played 2 games this season off the bench that I think qualify for Linsanity! and Player of the Game. Both games against playoff teams.

    March 21, 2016 San Antonio Spurs: Historic come-back from a deficit of 23 to win by 3.
    31 minutes, 29 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists

    April 11, 2016 Boston Celtics: Jeremy had a monster second quarter, scoring 19 points. Win by 14 at The Garden!
    39 minutes, 25 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists

  • takeme2cruz

    Nice research.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin will have good game tomorrow. Not only baby Lin already on the way back to USA but his agent from Taiwan also going to NC for the game. Get the W, Lin!!!

  • DrewBear2

    He spent 12 years as an assistant coach before this 3-year stretch as head coach. He’s acknowledging his mentors, which I think shows some humility. I see that as a good thing.

    I wish I could be more humble myself. I have zero coaching experience, not even coaching 5th graders at church. I didn’t make my high school basketball team because I was too slow. But I watch some basketball on TV and read lots of stuff online, so I’m confident that I know better than all these yokel GMs and coaches in the NBA. 😉

  • DrewBear2

    I’m sure this JLin/Fung Bros video (link below) has been posted before, but watch a couple of minutes of this just as a reminder that there are many aspects of the professional game that are beyond the true comprehension of most of us. We’re fans and on the internet we can say anything we want, but let’s have a little humility and acknowledge that some of these people we constantly criticize have actually worked hard for many years to acquire their expertise. Be a critic if you want, but try to be respectful.

    https://youtu.be/8mZjBVTFKKA?t=3m2s

  • Win

    IMO, I think this video said it all.

  • Phoenix Rising

    Should you not say the same thing about the referees in our league? They have years (even decades) of experience, right? Then the video posted on Jlin, and the apparent LACK of calls / flagrant calls is also wrong?

    I think it is ok for us to vent a little… its ok to lose respect for the same type of people and actions we have been seeing over 4 years now.

    And then things can go back to normal in the summer. K? Cheers.

  • Epie

    Quote of the Day

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    if the hornets team was comprised of Looney Toons characters, i’d say clifford has done a wonderful job taking them to the playoffs. but, since they have a team that’s already projected to make the playoffs, i’d say Elmer Fudd would have done a better job coaching this team

  • Phoenix Rising

    I just can not get myself to accept this organization’s words and actions since ASB. I don’t believe Clifford is central to all of it, but he is definitely party to it – and since he is the mouthpiece (this whole year), well duh… where do you expect our frustrations will lie!

  • TTNN

    They could start Lin and still let Lee guard Wade.

    Lin will not finish game if he was not trusted to start. Heat took out the 3pt game from Hornets, and betting Clifford don’t want to get Lin against Wade, so they take out half of the Hornets’ driving game. If Clifford go to that, he will totally play into Heat’s hand, and there is no way for Hornets to win anything.

    Kaminsky at this moment is a fool’s gold, his 3 pt is not get respected, and he is not strong enough to bang in the paint, and he is not fast enough to guard smaller guys, and he can’t even contribute in the offensive end, so just put a big body there, and defenders could play off him and load onto others, what he will give you?

  • sws94

    I listened to Clifford’s practice interview. He said he’s looking more at the 3 and 4 of what they’ll do. He said we can go small for offense or bigger for defense. When asked what to do without Batum he said go to other player’s strengths, pick and rolls with Kemba and Jeremy Lin and post ups with Al. He said Wade set the tone and is feeling well and really controlling the team and guys like Dragic, Winslow and Richardson usually don’t make some of the shots they make, and if they continue to do so, they’ll win the series and be hard to beat for anyone. Says you can’t take away everything, try to take away their strengths, and that’s paying a lot of attention to Wade.

    He still says offense is good and their defense has to be better. Said defense was good in the second half of the last game. He’s said they practiced both if he decides to go big or small, that everyone needs to be ready (maybe Lamb and Daniels?) and he’ll look at a lot of film and decide which way to go and announce it before the game. He didn’t really say it was between Lin or Kaminsky to start in the video posted on the Hornets site.

  • DaBoss

    Please stop with the finger wagging. Not appreciated.

  • CJSHYY

    I think that’s their top 3 O players. – go to other player’s strengths, pick and rolls with Kemba and Jeremy Lin and post ups with Al.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    the hornets defense was fine up until around the 6 minute mark of the second quarter. which just so happen to be when Lin sat and Kemba began to go full isolation mode. coincidence? i don’t think so. the offense became stagnant, no ball movement, and zero team work. the offense was so bad, it poured over to the defensive side. no hustle, no help defense, zero communications, and leaving shooters wide open. nobody cared to work hard on the defensive side just so that kemba could chuck it all away on the offensive side. this all stem from kemba’s selfish plays

  • Win

    I really like Gregg Popovich very very much. IMO, I honestly don’t mind Lin being a backup pg for the Spurs if he can’t find a team to start him next season.

  • sws94

    More opportunity/involvement for Lin. Batum’s absence may actually help the team by going with a more dynamic approach.

  • Thanks for the summary.

    He’s correct that the Hornets can’t take away everything but his statement that “offense is good” is very concerning.
    If he doesn’t realize they can’t win by losing the assist battle in 2 games (20-46), he better prepare the broom for the sweep
    Game 1: 11-27
    Game 2: 9-19

    Cliff needs to man up to tell Kemba, “Don’t go crazy with ISO-ball if you want to see Game 5”

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i don’t mind Lin playing for any competent coach. Pop, Stevens, Thib, Atkinson, MDA, Elmer Fudd. just no more Mchales, BSs, Woodsons, and Cliffords of the league

  • sws94

    Lin should have stayed in. Would it have stopped Dragic from hitting those 3 3s and the other 3 points that led to the 12 point lead? I don’t know. It’s hard to say if Lin would not have, through his dribble penetration, maybe gotten a few +1s or kicked out to open 3 point shooters so it would have been less of a lead. But, that run is the run that decided the game. The other 3 quarters, the teams scored exactly the same amount of points.

  • sws94

    Never talked of the pathetic amount of assists. He uses one stat to say offense was good. And he shows lack of flexibility to think that maybe, ok, we are giving up a lot of points but we can exploit some things and score more than they do.

    By all means, get the defense better. But their offense wasn’t good.

  • PPP

    Beasley is very talented seeing him schooled Barnes left and right, but he is very selfish (may be he’s playing for his next contract) so don’t want. Rather re-sign Marvin (I do hope Marvin leaves to join Lin anywhere, haha).

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    absolutely. Lin would have stopped Dragic from hitting those 3 3’s. Lin has never allowed anyone to do that to him, ever. he would have at least fought the screens harder, had his hands up, and disrupted the shots. Kemba went under the screen and left Dragic wide open. you chose a bad example to prove your point

  • sws94

    People hate me when I say this but I think if Lin goes to Spurs, it’s to take the place of Ginobili, not Parker. Parker will play a few more years. Mills has a strong 3 point shot that helps out the Spurs in games.

  • Rick Johnson

    It’s working. Phil trying to p…. off Melo and get him to waive no trade clause and leave NY

    https://twitter.com/kc1nyk/status/723596150008352769

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    he’ll play under a competent coach. that’s a 100% improvement even if he comes off the bench

  • sws94

    What point? I’m not trying to prove anything. I’m saying I don’t know what would happen. I’m not sure Lin stops all 3s either because of the amount of screens involved. You need team defense for that. He shot them off-balance and made them. Sometimes give credit to the other guy. He made tough shots, they weren’t easy, wide-open shots, they were in motion.

  • Phoenix Rising

    Coach told them to go under screens… regardless Lin’s height would have definitely caused him problems +++ LIN was freaking killing them… shouldn’t he have been kept in to get a couple of more fouls… Silly decision.

  • takeme2cruz

    Phil knows Melo is the problem if he wants to rebuild the Knicks. When will MJ and Cho know theirs?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    it’s gonna be an interesting summer. either Phil or Melo is gone. they hate each other’s guts

  • Win

    You. I think Pakers will plays another 1-2 years or so and I believe Lin can start over Patty Mill.

  • sws94

    He’d yell at Lin. I hope that would be ok to fans. Pop yells.

  • Whitman Lam

    Kemba didn’t even put his hands up when Dragic shot those 3’s.

  • Win

    He told Danny Green to “Shut the F-up” lol.

  • sws94

    I think Mills will still be backup because they need his shooting. Lin has more versatility and explosiveness and plays great hustle defense and individual defense. That’s the GInobili presence and energy that I think would make sense for him on the Spurs. Also, I don’t think Mills plays big minutes, so Lin would need to play more roles to get big minutes on that team.

  • sws94

    Exactly.

  • PPP

    I read somewhere that Melo skip the Triangle Workshop yesterday? No surprise there.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    there’s a huge difference between being yelled by Pop because you’re making a mistake verses being yelled by clifford because someone else made a mistake. Lin can learn from Pop’s tough coaching

  • freemind

    He does not play favorite and he yells at all players equally . that’s the main difference.

  • sws94

    He mostly was getting Dragic to give up the ball. Lin against Dragic favors Lin IMO. Kemba on Dragic favors Dragic. That’s pretty obvious watching these games. But Lin against Wade favors Wade.

  • CJSHYY

    What direction?

  • Win

    He said it in the video. A coach can treat each person different but the standard is the same from No 1 to No 15.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    going under screens is one thing, putting zero effort while doing it is a whole different thing

  • Phoenix Rising

    Hey, Pop does what is right as per player and situation. How much does Pop shout at Kawhi, for example? Rarely. But he does. He is fair. I think he does what needs to be done to get the player focused in the situation. Or get benched.

  • sws94

    Through the years, I’d say he yells at all players, but really yelled at Parker the most of the big 3. He doesn’t much anymore. But when Parker was younger he did.

  • sws94

    Didn’t say he wasn’t. Just that he yells. And we can’t be sensitive to that if Lin were to join Pop when he yelled at Lin if that ever happens.

  • Cliff clearly didn’t want to make Kemba look good or Marvin with 0-10.
    But the inefficient offense was a big part of the problem after defense.

    Other Hornets went cold when Kemba kept driving and shooting 29 shots.
    That’s like Kobe level. And sadly, he’s nowhere as good or as tall. I remember Kemba got blocked at least 3-4 times

  • sws94

    There’s not much that can be done with Kemba other than hoping Lin gets the ball some to work with others. Kemba will pass to Al and Marvin and Batum. Sometimes Lin, but not that much later in games. That’s his big downside.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    ok, if your reasoning for Lin not to go to the Spurs is because Pop will yell at him, then you don’t know Pop. he yells at everyone equally and treats everyone equally. besides, it’s totally different being yelled by Pop because you’ve done something wrong verses being yelled by Pop because someone else did something wrong. LOL

  • sws94

    His effort is inconsistent. I thought he at times really fought hard and other times just completely gave up. That’s when Clifford needs to scream at him and tell him that’s not unacceptable. And Clifford doesn’t do that. Other coaches would.

  • sws94

    Post this in context. I didn’t say that. No need for a separate post.

  • LinMad

    The one reason we are losing games is not only defense but EASY BUCKETS. Which means we need to fix the offense. The offense is not okay at all. You can’t make it that easy to defend us or they will just run us over every game.

    I have noticed in game 1 and game 2 that we are struggling to score. And it has to do with ball movement and team basketball. We can’t find cracks in their defense if Kemba dribbles and runs the clock down just so he can take a shot. Or if Al post up Whiteside all game although it seems to work, they can stop it by double teaming him which they did last game. Either way, we are trying to slow the game down the wrong way. We should be attacking them on offense with Jeremy Lin at SG and Kemba at PG and giving them a hard time on defense. It should be Lin at PG starting 2nd quarter. Lin has got to the line a lot and have scored more than Lee in both games with a lot less minutes than him.

    We aren’t plotting to attack Heat’s weak points. With Lin at PG, he would find cracks in Heat’s defense and move the ball to players who will attack the weak points. Sure we can play Al on Whiteside all day but when you keep doing it, you are getting less shot attempts in return and sometimes you are trading 2s for 3s. They will find a way to defend Al by double teaming him like in last game. We have been playing selfish basketball on the offensive end which is the main reason we are losing.

  • sws94

    I’ll be glad when Melo retires. He’s no winner. Great scorer, but that’s about it. Very selfish, always has been.

  • Phoenix Rising

    Haha… as if that is going to happen. There will always be a few who feel bad for Lin. But hopefully, enough people on this board will give good direction 😉

    + Hopefully, no one doubts Pop and his abilities / intentions on this board!

  • LinMad

    Cliff doesn’t know that we can’t score more when we are isoing. ISO = dribbling a lot and holding the ball/slowing the pace down. If you want fast easy buckets, you need a PG that will push the pace, find cracks in the Heat’s defense and create easy buckets for others.

  • donsmacau

    No offense to anyone but I’m convinced that JLIN’s bided his time, accomplished the hard work and this next season is his year to finally attain stability and his desire.

    So I am not for any team where he does not have a true starting point guard job or at least a legitimate fair chance at starting immediately.

    And I am absolutely convinced that will happen, there is no Plan B.

    Any destination in the NBA as a backup puts him in this sort of CHA predicament which is BAD for him – don’t believe detractors who will tell you a situation like CHA is good.

  • LinMad

    The first mistake was taking Lin out but I understand with 2 fouls he wants to stick to that rule. But like I said before, when Lin doesn’t even play more than 30 minutes a game, it shouldn’t even matter that he got 2 fouls in the first half. It’s not like Cliff will play Lin a lot in the 2nd half when we got Kemba shooting 29 times. I would sit him down with 3 fouls in the first half not 2.

    The second mistake was Cliff should have made adjustments after we started to slip away in the final minutes of 2nd quarter but he refused to even call a time out until we got in deep trouble. He should have brought Lin back in. A good coach would have made adjustments sooner.

    Third mistake was Cliff didn’t even make any adjustments at all. He let that unit play out and even in 3rd quarter, I would think he would make some kind of adjustment but he didn’t. It was the same starting unit.

  • sws94

    I agree with easy baskets. Lin at PG would get Spo’s pressure treatment sometimes. Really, their weak points have been giving up penetration to Lin and sometimes Kemba more than anything else. They pick off a lot of passes (Wade almost got Lin’s football pass for instance). Batum made very few passes he usually makes. They have an ability to take away PGs strengths. Lin’s played a smart PG, dumping off quickly and then trying to get ball movement or penetrating to the rim.

  • As much as I love the Spurs teamball, I don’t like Lin going to Spurs to be backup when he’s at his peak age of 27-30
    The timing is not right. Lin can go to replace Parker when he’s retired in 3 years. Many teams would love JLin as a backup in 3-4 years because of his ability to draw fouls and get FTs.

    This is the time to seize the chance to prove if Lin can lead a team (Nets, 76ers or others)
    The window of NBA teams giving a chance for JLin to start the team is not very long.
    In 1-2 years, they’ll say JLin’s too old, lose speed and go with young promising PGs.

    We know how the story goes in the NBA. The (last) chance to start and maximize JLin’s career potential will be now or never. That’s why he repeatedly said on record this season that “All NBA players want to start”. He believes he can start if teams will just give him a chance.

    I understand some fans are concerned with losing and not going to the playoff.
    But I believe JLin can lead a young team to the playoff with a good coach and GM as long as they don’t tank.

    With that being said, I’ll support any decision that JLin will make in the off-season.
    He and his family will pray and decide what’s best for his career.

  • sws94

    Good post.

  • DrewBear2

    Re-read the petition letter that goes with that video. It’s civil and respectful. Your comment now is civil. I appreciate that. But that’s not what I (or what Jeremy says in the video) am trying to address. I was simply trying to discourage a “know it all” attitude. What’s the old saying? Disagree without being disagreeable?

  • takeme2cruz

    Great coach should never be told by front office or owner whom he should pamper.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i want him to start too but reality is that most teams see him as a backup 2-guard and that’s all thanks to incompetent coaches. i just want him to play for a competent coach from now on because then he’ll earn his start fair and square

  • takeme2cruz

    He yells at players with love and care while teaching, not hate and favoritism.

  • donsmacau

    There is merit in your argument but first JLIN must exhaust ALL avenues where he has a potential start next season.

    Sixers 75%, Nets 20%, darkhorse 5% and I am sticking with that prediction. MDA is NOT moving to a job away from Sixers, he is staying because he has been promised the HC position and he knows who his starting PG.

  • takeme2cruz

    Agree.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    if he doesn’t land on a team with either MDA or Atkinson as the head coach and allow him to start, i wouldn’t mind if he back up for either the Spurs or the Warriors because they will use him correctly as a point guard, he’d be treated fairly, and he’d have a chance to get a ring

  • Phoenix Rising

    “I think it is ok for us to vent a little… its ok to lose respect for
    the same type of people and actions we have been seeing over 4 years
    now.”

    So if someone is saying something within the rules of this board, i’m ok with it. And you should ignore things you don’t like. But i agree with your statement – “Disagree without being disagreeable?” Well said. Everyone on this board should show respect to fellow posters.

    “know it all” attitude? We do know it all 😛

  • cdblue10

    If he can’t get a starting job as a PG,I want to see him in Minnesota

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    my hope is that he start under MDA or Atkinson. i’m against him starting under any other coaches who may turn out to be another mchale, bs, and clifford

  • Steppen03

    It’s the right choice. McCollum really made an impact for Blazers. Kemba’s been starting for couple seasons… This newbie deserved it.

  • CJSHYY
  • Phoenix Rising

    Lin may not fit very well in Thib’s system…

  • donsmacau

    We all know the impediments that JLIN faces in the NBA but almost all of those impediments are “manufactured from bias”

    Both Sixers and Nets DESPERATELY need a quality point guard and if you look beyond the bias JLIN fits every analytical metric.
    – Ability to lead & motivate downtrodden teams to WINs
    – Baskebtall Skills (especially as a starter)
    – Basketball IQ critical for MDA & Atkinson offenses
    – Media and fan attraction and frenzy (NYC huge & Philly big)

    JLIN is perfect for either team.

  • sws94

    And 2 budding superstars, both will have the ball in their hands a lot. I’d skip Minny.

  • sws94

    I agree.

  • It’ll be interesting if there are other teams beside 76ers and Nets who might offer starting PG to JLin.

    Personally, I’d prefer JLin to be a starter in 2-3 years because it’s literally his last chance for a coach/team to give him roles and minutes that suit his strength.

    But I understand GSW or Spurs wouldn’t be a bad insurance if NBA teams don’t give JLin a chance

  • CJSHYY
  • donsmacau

    Not many “different defenders” can consistently stop an immensely experienced, playoff focused Dwayne Wade…

    … but unlike others JLIN will always give you maximum effort. Every single defender may need help defense on Dwade.

  • donsmacau

    Of course 29 points from Kemba in TWENTY-NINE (29) MINUTES, why that totals 48 points in a whole game.

    If Hornets score 48 points is certainly enough to beat Spoelstra…umm wait a minute.

  • sws94

    Good strategy. That way he won’t look to improve it that much. Well, he wasn’t anyway.

  • Phoenix Rising

    Exactly, this has been true since 2005. Wade always brings it in playoffs.

  • Yes, JLin seems to be a perfect fit for 76ers or Nets.

    Can you imagine how much NY media coverage will be if Lin led the team to win big vs top teams like Spurs/Cavs? I miss the Knick days for the media coverage 🙂

  • donsmacau

    And the media coverage would be immense, of course JLIN is older and wiser and would be better able to isolate and compartmentalize the attention, we hope.

  • cdblue10

    It could be but he has the chance to show what he got and don’t worry about politics.Thibs is the coach and the Pres at the same time so this is a stable organization and besides they’re ready to compete next year.

  • Win

    When Lin on Wade on D is a mismatch, meaning Wade have the advantage. On top of that Wade got super star call.

    Nothing to be proud of that Wade can score on Lin.

  • Acbc

    As a coach, I try very hard to put into the mind of my player what he must do to win. NOT TO PLAY NOT TO LOSE. When you have a coach that fills the minds of players with doubt instead by focusing on stopping opponents strengths, you imply their superiority. Players pick up your panic and don’t hear what you say and regain your doubts.

    We all know Clifford is already bent out of shape with fear. He doesn’t know how to stop an old lion like Wade. He only thinks about matching strength for strength straight up. Kemba scoring against wades scoring and so on down the line. This is why I have no respect for Clifford as a coach.

    Sports isn’t just about skill, it’s about energy as well. An old player like Wade can’t run like a young gun, but he can use his guile and experience to sap away the mentle energy reserves of a young team. A bad coach like Cliffrod is making it all too easy for Wade to completely psyched out. Already the Horents aren’t thinking about what they themselves can do to win and all about what Wade can do to hurt them. That psychological battle of mentle energy is already lost and it falls on Clifford that he couldn’t stop it.

    Wade may be a great skilled player but make him work hard on defence and run him off the court that’s how you take him out of the game. Even a great player like Lebron can’t beat a team game like Spurs and GSW. Passing on offence is making defenders chase a ball that’s flying around the court.

    The strategy isn’t to match scores, it’s to match energies. How do you do that? In a seven game series, you can run a team to the ground by losing with Great offensive ball movement. Make Wade cover a man that runs the floor on offence and have him chase that person around and feed that person the ball. Even if he doesn’t score that much, he’ll do the job to tire out Wade. Let him do his thing in offence and carry the team as well. Use up as much of his energy reserve as possible and wear him down.

    This type of strategy give teammates a positive focus about how to lose with long term goals. A poor coach like Clifford would never be able to think outside of the box to execute such an elaborate game plan.

  • LOL .. Spo plays chess with Clifford’s mind

    He’ll be happy to have Kemba ISOs to dominate Game 3 and 4 again.
    No adjustment will be needed from the Heat side 🙂

  • cdblue10

    SPO is smart coach he won’t tell CLIFF oh yeah…he needs to change his line up or do this or do that,the more predictable Cliff the easier for him to coach his team

  • DrewBear2

    Good summary. My guess is even if he has made a decision, he’s not going to reveal it. Why tip your hand to your opponent? He’ll give the players enough notice so they can prepare accordingly, but he doesn’t need to publicize the lineup early.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    my objection to him going to just any other team just to start is that he may end up playing for another incompetent coach and very soon “lose” his starting job. that will destroy his career. so plan A is to start for MDA or Atkinson and plan B is to back up for Spurs or Warriors. if he chooses plan C, i will be very disappointed and you’ll hear me rant non-stop on this forum. lol

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Wade has a mismatch on everyone which is why he’s a superstar

  • Phoenix Rising

    Thanks for your POV, as usual!

  • Win

    Not really. As least the Height and the weight is a dig different between Lin and Wade. And Lin was playing our of his natural position which was a SG instead of a PG.

  • adele

    Based on what you have said you are a Lin fan but you have doubts about his skills and qualities as an NBA player. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not paying attention to what’s happening in bobcats or hornets other than they are always out in the playoffs. They made it once but I’m not sure if it was Kembas leadership. I’m not a fan of Kemba. I don’t believe his skill set and I don’t like his leadership. That being said its obvious who I believe to be a great leader for a team with smart strategies when he is in the court. Because he is Asian and a Harvard graduate, NBA people have lots of doubts in his skillset and being an NBA smart kind of person. Maybe you’re one of those “doubting Thomas”. The reason why I asked you if you’re a Lin fan is because you came across as a doubting Lin fan and give more props to Kemba. I’m not posting here to share any doubts on Lin nor give more credit to Kemba. The hornets team,coach, announcers, billboards, NBA sites, etc are full of those already. I’m not adding any props to Kemba in this site.

  • This is how bad Hornets offense were …
    Wade & Dragic assists (29) alone beat Hornets total assists (20) in 2 games.

  • CJSHYY

    Talk about Chess, maybe Cliff said their O is good no adjustment needed it’s also just playing mind game to Spo….I think Hornets maybe will play more Lin’s team ball….?!

  • adele

    Sorry but Clifford is not doing it. As what psalm said. He is stubborn as a mule.

  • Lefon Jang

    That’s because Spo wants Cliffo to keep using the same offense.

  • Yes, sir!

    Spoelstra definitely outcoached Clifford to play Heat’s old-man half-court game.

  • Phoenix Rising

    OUT. COACHED.

  • cdblue10

    If Harden,Melo,and Kobe can’t even go anywhere with their ISO games,how much more with a small PG W/O defense

  • Rick Johnson

    This would be great if Ronnie and Coach Nick did a video and chimed in on Too Flagrant not to Call

    https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/723604560799891456

  • heart

    Spo is playing chess while Cliff is playing checkers. Spo has already studied the game, opponent coach & players. He put his plan into motion to conquer, while Cliff is still ‘watching film’ and reacting defensively not offensively to win.

  • takeme2cruz

    His fingers were crossing while saying that.

  • heart

    See, Spo does not want Cliff to make adjustment. He plays psychology on Cliff. He compliments Cliff for his ego knowing that it’s a failed-strategy but favors Heat to win.

  • takeme2cruz

    Most of the time he was guarded by Lee. But he’s right, he took the advantage of mismatch by JLin.

  • cdblue10

    His $$$ value will determines Lin situation in FA

  • Rick Johnson

    Actually I think the offense was okay. Problem is the defense sucks. Lin was holding the fort in the 2nd quarter until Walker came in and MIA went on a scoring run. Oh ya and Walkers lack of assists. I think Lin is short changed on assists too because he just delivers the ball to Big Al and posts up to score. Lin doesn’t get an assist for that.

  • Acbc

    Spo is doing calculus and Clifford is still counting fingers and toes. Lol

  • takeme2cruz

    He’s saying keep going iso Kemba.

  • DaBoss

    Exactly why Clifford cannot be respected as a coach – inflexible and lacks the smarts.

  • donsmacau

    Money has less to do with JLIN’s situation than any other player in the NBA (which includes many Spurs vets; Nowitski who will work for very little). JLIN is not driven by money, he only needs salary as a measure of respect but will never want to be viewed as the highest paid.

    If what you mean by value is how much benefit or utility he brings to his team then he will always have high value.

    JLIN will accept a starters point guard position for $8million.

  • donsmacau

    When Kemba comes back the entire team has an obvious mental relaxation – this relaxation also carries over to their defensive focus and intensity.

  • Whitman Lam

    How many points did Wade score on Lin as opposed to CLee ?

  • DaBoss

    And Clifford’s falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

  • cdblue10

    He would prolly accept 5mil with a starting spot but with that money no one will respect you in NBA

  • Whitman Lam

    Scoring on Lin only 3 times in 2 games, means he destroyed Lin ? What about that time Lin poked the ball from Wade forced the turnover? Or the couple of times Lin made Wade miss the shot?

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Spo did this & hope Cliff will continue that dumb ISO game plan for the rest of series.

  • heart

    I don’t offense was ok. They made 6/17 in game 1 and 1/16 3FGM in game 2. Something is wrong there! Hornets have not been playing their game like in regular season. Heat is taking away Hornets 3. Knowing this, Cliff should adjust but he has not in game 1 or 2. MW needs the play makers (KW or NB) to set him up in his sweet spot for easy 3. Lin was not allowed to play pg to help MW. Cliff is trying to convince everyone that his strategy is working and doe not need change. Once you hear your opponent agrees w/you, you know that you’re not on the right track!

  • donsmacau

    La Marcus Aldridge makes $20 million & Kawhi Leonard – $17 mill

    why does
    Tim Duncan accept $5 million & Manu Ginobelli $3 mill

    Because Duncan and Ginobelli want to WIN and they are already independently wealthy so for the TEAM they accept far less than their market value.

    JLIN already has that team spirit, any organization should consider themselves blessed to land JLIN as their starter.

  • cdblue10

    I know where you coming from but these players were already received lot of accolades,rings and millions of dollars and this gesture was just kind of payoff with their franchise.Lin is still making his mark,to sacrifice money at this stage of his career won’t be a pitfall.

  • donsmacau

    JLIN could go to China and at any time earn $20 million in endorsements to put Stephon Marbury to shame. JLIN is not driven by money.

  • cdblue10

    Whatever he want to do that his choice,I was just stating my opinion,if you think that’s best for him then I can’t fault you with that.Still his value as a player next yr. will determine his tenure and stature on that team .

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Cliff just wants to be 0-4. All good for me. 2 more games for me to watch JLin. That’s it!

  • donsmacau

    Actually when you speak about value it is “relative value” if Conley, Rondo will only play for Sixers for $20 million then JLIN at $8million looks very very attractive.

  • cdblue10

    No one will pay Rondo and Conley by that amount but your POV IS VALID although 8mil is not a stable salary in the NBA esp on next year cap space if he wants to be just a stopgap then by all means he can do that but if he wants to stay with a longer tenure then he needs to seek the highest bidder.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    the game plan has never been centered around Lin since the 35 points game against the Raptors. Yet, Lin manage to break out and dominate games. The latest ones are the Spurs game and the Celtics game. You could imagine how it would be like when the game is designed around him.

  • grover chang

    Cliff is a coach in transition from old iso offense to new space and pace offense. Last few seasons he was iso. This preseason he preached his new passing offense. Sometimes played it. Lauded how they redid their roster for versatile players.

    He is a conflicted character to me. He KNOWS it should be a modern offense but BELIEVES and practices the old system.

    Will Cliff, as most people, truly take knowledge and turn it into belief. The bridge between the two is a step of FAITH.

  • grover chang

    Insulting to Cliff intelligence. This should be alarm bells to Cliff to change his offense.

  • Cliff be singing “Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes .. Knees and Toes” lol

  • Steppen03

    I’m OVER talking about the Hornets from today on. It’s only 2~3 more games – Not much going to change, Not much happening. I’m over the headaches regarding JL7’s role. Just the remaining games and focus on JL7’s free agency. I certainly hope he’s going to be offered 2-4 starting jobs.

  • LinMad

    yep 2 more games. Whether Cliff decides to start him or not, I can’t wait until this season is over and Lin moves on.

  • Win

    I agreed Lin is not driven by $. But at the same time, the amount and the length of the contract also = respect in this league. Lin has already took a big discount this season. I hope Lin will at least get a minimum 9 mils per year / multiple years contract.

    I am so sick of the bias fans/sport writers keep calling Lin a 2 mil player.

  • heart
  • CJSHYY

    What? So Rox didn’t win?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    so i guess the NBA is admitting how corrupted some of their refs are then

  • CJSHYY

    So happy Harden lose….LOL!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i don’t think they’re reversing the call (non-call on Harden) though

  • CJSHYY

    If NBA is not reversing the call then why spread the news?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    beats me. they strange. lol

  • CJSHYY
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    That’s my puzzle as well. What does this mean?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    it seems the NBA does something called a “last 2 minutes reports” on officiating

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    they can give Peter Liang a try. just have him stand in the corners like they did Lin do. LOL

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    the NBA does “last 2-minutes reports”

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    wonder if it was gonna be a parody. would be cool if they have Lin star as himself

  • CJSHYY

    Just report but record the same. No change? If so why needs the report?

  • donsmacau

    Would love to see the national headlines for game 4 read “The One Bright Spot in the Disastrous MIA-CHA Series is Jeremy Lin”

    … rather than these thanks to Clueless Clifford, “Miami Heat Are The Most Impressive Playoff Team So Far”
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-miami-heat-are-the-most-impressive-playoff-team-so-far/
    “the Miami Heat, who are, um, torching the Charlotte Hornets in their series thus far … 82 percent favorites to advance into the second round”

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    “The league may change an opinion after further review, particularly when a new video angle becomes available.”

    here are the reports..
    http://official.nba.com/nba-last-two-minute-reports-archive/

  • CJSHYY

    Since this shot can change the outcome for the game….. so can NBA use this report to change the result?

  • heart

    The NBA is Correcting the call on their records but the outcome remains the same. It’s still 2-1 GSW. GSW has to win two more games to win the series instead of just one in order to move to a 2nd round.

  • spiderman

    Look…. into my eyes
    You are under my spell

  • CJSHYY

    Thanks. SO Unfair.

  • Michael

    Chris Rocks…not Chris Rock.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    It isn’t that I don’t understand about that. But so, for what? Making no difference on the outcome. Just ……… !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michael

    Trying to create the image that they are serious about getting calls correct.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Feel the same… for what? Make GSW fans Mad at NBA Ref even more…LOL!

  • BobbyH

    These refs should be fined. But hey, this is NBA.

  • Michael

    The messed up thing is, that this year they have the new replay center where guys in a room with screens and instant replay can communicate with the refs in real time. If this wasn’t the time to get it right, what are they there for? Free league pass?

  • BobbyH

    More games more income. They want to sell the seats it seems.

  • Michael

    Cool viewpoint.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s what I thought, Ref was helping Rox to win this game by gave Harden lots of FT in 1st half… NBA sure don’t like only 4 games for this series. Bc GSW always sold out. Game 5 will be home game in CA. More $$$ is coming.

  • Michael

    Down maybe?

  • Michael

    Pop yells a lot more at his star players, so if he yelled at Lin that wouldn’t be a bad thing.

  • ty

    Zen like take on things… good stuff

  • CJSHYY
  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Lin is better off staying in Charlotte if he can’t find a starting job with Nets/Sixers because I don’t believe he will see more playing time backing up curry/thomson than as oppose to backing up Kemba/MKG/Batum ..Batum/MKG are injury prone, so more chance to get minutes.

    I don’t want to see Lin only play 15 minutes just because he wants to win a ring…He’s too young to be thinking that way…He needs to go to the team that can offer him the most minutes.

  • JoeTeam

    Good one, let’s all write a headline for Sat night print:

    “Linsanity breaks out again as NBA rebel Jeremy Lin scores 26pts in leading Charlotte to 1-2”

  • JoeTeam

    If Morey hadn’t already worn out his welcome years ago, this would be it.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Fully agree with you…..IMO, Lin signing with GS or Spurs should be total last option because he will have to back-up all-stars or future hall-of-famers if he choose to sign with GS/Spurs…..His minutes will be diminished.

    Didn’t Lin stated GS wanted to sign him and he rejected them because he wanted a much bigger role?….That, to me prove he understand full well that these teams will regard him as just a bench player.

  • sport

    And how has that 2mil contract worked out for Lin this year? For a non star player they need to money for respect of their teammates and to tell everyone who’s the man of the team!

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Man, I know Pop is a winning coach and all, but I wouldn’t want Lin playing for him…I think Lin would get chewed off on a regular basis by Pop and I frankly think Lin would be better off somewhere else….

    I cringe at how Pop just threats his players like children…I’m not for any coaches who treats their player in this manner and I would hate to see Lin taking such verbal abuse on a daily basis.

    The only way Lin should go to SA is if he think he will get the most minutes there…but as long as Mills and Parker are still there, Lin’s minutes there will be limited.

    If you’re going to be yelled at everyday, it better be a place where you get to play 25-30 minutes a night.

  • DrewBear2

    I think the guy is a total jerk and can’t stand him, but I admit that tweet made me lol. You have to know a little about wrestling (the Olympic variety) to get his sarcasm. It’s most definitely anti-Warriors, not against the Rockets.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    trying to make sense of the NBA will drive ya Linsane. lol

  • DrewBear2

    “As a team, the Heat are shooting out of their minds. So on to the natural question: Can this last? According to SportVU data that estimates shot difficulty using variables such as location, shot distance and the defender’s proximity, the Heat are taking extremely difficult shots…”

    If I was a betting man (I’m not), I’d bet a lot of money on the Heat cooling down in terms of shooting %. The other side of the coin is can some of the Hornets at least melt a little out of their ice-cold shooting slumps? Marvin’s 1 for 17 and Frank’s 0 for 1 over another 2 games just won’t cut it.

    Since Nic will be out of the rotation tomorrow, Jeremy should have more opportunities to create and score. This is his time! My wild guess: 35 minutes, 27 points, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 1 block. Go JLin!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    if Lin plays 40 minutes and has high usage tomorrow, their offense AND defense will improve immensely. not because Lin is such a good defender, but because “the best defense is a good offense”. when you have ball movement, people movement, and just having players involved in plays and being motivated, all that pours over on the defensive end also

    but, if Lin continue to be marginalized, i would bet that the Heat continue to destroy the hornet’s pathetic pnr defense

  • takeme2cruz

    Did you see Celtics got FF1 for a touched face?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    each time something like this happens, we should all write a letter to the NBA just to get on their nerves

  • heart

    Not watching, but we should collect this clip to compare against Lin’s future fouls.

  • DrewBear2

    Wow! I didn’t see the other one, but the last FF1 on Shroder didn’t seem that bad. If Kobe’s clothesline on Jeremy was 10 on a 1-10 scale, this was in the 2-3 range. If the NBA is stepping up flagrant foul calls during the playoffs, that should allow Jeremy to be even more aggressive in his drives.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Celtics up by 5 points even without Avery Bradley. Brad Stevens is a genius

  • Rick Johnson

    So is he going to get fined? NBA kind of touchy right now in regards to flagrant fouls.

    https://twitter.com/JaredDudley619/status/723692024227069953

  • JoeTeam

    yeah baby! I can just smell the fear from reading 2nd and 3rd party summaries of what Cliff said. Crazy.

  • JoeTeam

    “Ah, yah … yes Mr Clifford, just keep believing the wrong thing,” said the spider to the fly.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    lol. i like Jared. he’s a good guy and a good system player. his best years were playing under MDA

  • JoeTeam

    only if Cliff picks up the irony. Doubt it, we’ll see. If Linsanity happens, maybe Cliff is playing cat/mouse.

  • Acbc

    Unfortunately Grover that is simply not the case the roots of that knowledge has nothing to do with the problem.

    THE PROBLEM ISN’T NEW OR OLD STYLE OF PLAY. ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH MODERN OR OLD. ITS FUNDAMENTALLY A QUESTION OF BASIC COACHING 101.

    any sport, must answer the same fundamental competitive answers in a head to head match up.
    1/ Who has the most skill,
    2/ who has the size, strength, speed and quickness
    3/ who has the most endurance, conditioning and recovery
    4/ who has the most mentle toughness to withstand physical and mentle abuse from opponents
    5/ who has the most game smart, strategy and tactics to match strength to weakness
    6/ who has the most heart to stay the course and believe with such unshakable conviction that nothing can make them choke.

    Clifford has exhibited none of this type of know leg to begin with. How does he even hope to understand the new modern game of basketball when he can’t even use the fundamental rules of engagement.

  • Rick Johnson

    It’s an attempt by the league to be “transparent” and truthful. However they sandbag flagrant fouls on Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    Why he said so? After watched Lin’s video?

  • JoeTeam

    First you beat a relative rookie up (figuratively through no whistles) with 3-4 on 1. Then you work him over the years.

    But ay … JLin has it figured out. He’s now Kato mode with Heat.

  • Rick Johnson

    I think FF during the ATL vs BOS game. But maybe also in context of the Lin video.

  • JoeTeam

    man, slow down, I’m taking notes!

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! Didn’t watch the game…But I guess he maybe also knew about Lin’s video otherwise why he asked the question like this?

  • heart

    He was hosting w/ Skip on First Take talking about Lin’s FF video. He said most or all of Lin’s fouls were flagrant IIRC.

  • CJSHYY

    I see. No wonder…

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    here is the segment they did on the matter
    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15210311

  • heart
  • Pete Roces

    same here, I don’t even watch the game anymore.

  • Pete Roces

    Great! You’re more qualified to coach Hornets than Clifford.

  • Rick Johnson

    That segment was good but what I don’t understand is why they played such tame foul video clips. Why didn’t they show the Melo uppercut, the Kobe clothesline, the Harden swipe to the head?

  • KWC

    Is MIA-CHA the only non-competitive series so far? Even Rox stole one. DET looks like a sweep but if you watch games they were pretty competitive through at least 3 quarters.

  • Rick Johnson

    JLin in starters white jersey. He starting?

    https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/723713724763136000

  • CJSHYY

    From the games, it’s. Hornets played the worst game among all the playoff teams. I really don’t get what’s wrong w Cliff?

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t think that really means anything. White is for bench. I always saw him wore black jersey but w real game, he’s bench not starter.

  • Rick Johnson

    Delusional. Thinking Kemba can lead this team. We’ve been seeing it all season, he can do well against weaker teams but not against good teams. JLin has to take over to win against good teams. Now Cliff’s Kemba love is being exposed for the fraud it is.

  • Rick Johnson
  • takeme2cruz

    Cliff must have had the green light. if 0-3 the series is over. Wait a minute, so is kaminsky.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i was pondering that myself as i watched it. and i’m not sure, but i would think they’re trying to protect themselves from a legal mess. i notice some people on twitter would record plays on their vhs video recorder instead of using video capturing softwares, too. which is just as strange

  • heart

    Frank is also wearing white jersey. Cliff is trying out both in first unit? Cliff’s indecisiveness does not speak well of his coaching skills and does not help players to be ready mentality, especially Frank, if he’s going to get his first start in the playoffs.

  • heart
  • LinMad

    If that was Lin guarding James Harden, it counted.

  • LinMad

    true but if other players knew how much Lin makes from China/Taiwan sponsorships, I think they would be surprised. Still, he deserves a fair contract. Sponsorships are different.

  • Ben Johnson

    It’s kind of notable that the best two coaches in this series are both Asian, spo for the heat, and Jlin for the hornots…cliffwad is probably 46th right behind the dude that mops sweat off the court

  • kauaiblue

    Clifford is dumber than mchale… 2 people were insulted in one sentence…

  • kauaiblue

    I have to go into work tomorrow… not even gonna bother with this game… but ill be gere reading yalls posts!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    he should be fined for the flop and suspended one game for pretending to be injured

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    lol. clutchfans has a thread titled “Jeremy Lin as a Charlotte Hornet” with close to 10k posts.. most of which are from known Lin haters like king1, tinman, and fat clutch himself. so pathetic

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t waste time to read their trash comments.

  • JoeTeam

    it just means they have to do this to keep traffic up. Now ironic that JLin makes money even of this haters. Turn the other cheek.

  • JoeTeam

    did n’t he comment with Skip Bayless?

  • KL

    I have said that the playoffs are about which Kemba would show up. There is the tunnel vision scoring dude who would get hot for one or two quarters but defensively allow more points against his team for the entire game. There is also the dude that actually allows his teammates to get into the game.

    Spo has done his best to ensure that the tunnel vision version of Kemba shows up. Single coverage most of the time.

    However, even if Kemba shoots less the next game, his poor defence will be exploited. The only real solution is to play him less minutes. Frankly it is a no brainer that Lin should defend the PG and someone bigger should guard the SG. Once Kemba is in everything goes out of whack defensively.

    I have some hope because Batum is out. Batum is a lazy defender but his length and ability to read the game sometimes makes up for the lack of effort. However Miami’s execution and size has really exploited Batum.

  • DX

    I like to visit there every time Lin had good game. Make me happier.🤗😜

  • Guest

    With Batum out of the series, doesn’t matter who will start in G3 and G4 bcuz it’ll be the Kemba Show at the Charlottee home court. Lee, Lin and the rest will be protecting Kemba for him to stat pad and look good.
    The Hornets will be clean-swept by the Heats.
    Batum won’t sign with the Hornets and Lin will opt out in the off season.
    The Hornets will miss the playoffs next season with Kemba assuming the captain role again.

  • DX

    NBA Free Agency: Jeremy Lin To Brooklyn Nets Speculated Because Of New Coach; What Are The Chances of Linsanity In Big Apple Again?

    http://en.yibada.com/articles/118471/20160422/nba-free-agency-jeremy-lin-brooklyn-nets-speculated-new-coach.htm#

  • Acbc

    More likely to be there to help him pack and move. Lol

  • wow, Cody is in black jersey.

    Perhaps Lin and Frank will start to shake things up?
    Perhaps Cliff looked at the Top 2 highest +/- and figure what not try them

  • @SwarmnSting
    ICYMI: Who Should Start in Nic Batum’s Place For the Hornets in Game Three? Jeremy Lin Makes a Strong Case.
    https://twitter.com/SwarmnSting/status/723664485261537280

  • Max

    I REALLY REALLY HATE reading ” Lin, the back up PG, ” Lin, plays off the bench”…
    Lin, please no more playing off the bench anymore. If you and your team continue to choose the wrong team and be relegated to the bench, I assure you that the US economy will not benefit at least $1mil from me and my gang. LOL

  • CJSHYY

    When Lin had good game, what did they say?

  • David Kim

    Whoever guards Wade, he will still score. But lin starting will makes team offense a lot better. I also think lin will guard Wade better than Lee…

  • zxcvb

    If Lin plays for Atkinson in Brooklyn, there might be mass suicides in Houston.

  • Michael

    Can a player be fined for injuring another player if that player is himself?

  • zxcvb

    Clifford is right about one thing — there’s isn’t much that needs fixing. There’s only one adjustment I would make: let Lin play his game for 34+mpg.

    1) Lin as PG means more ball movement and easier shots for everyone (including Kemba who shot 12-29 last game).

    2) More guys involved on offense means more guys involved on defense (anyone who watches hoops closely knows this).

    3) More activity and intensity means Miami will wear down physically, making them miss more shots and be slower to close out/fight through screens. Heat have hardly broken a sweat so far, shooting 59% in back-to-back games.

    Cliff, like most “old school” coaches, is unable to see the big picture. He doesn’t understand that guys go cold when a “PG” shoots 29 times with bad efficiency. He doesn’t understand that constant ISOs and no movement make it easy for the opposing defense, who no longer have to expend much energy. Not a coincidence that Miami shot 59% in BOTH games.

  • zxcvb

    I’m hoping they let Lin play his game tomorrow or Monday. Then Cliff can go back to losing with Kemba Streetball and Lin stay healthy for free agency. With Atkinson in Brooklyn and possibly MDA in Philly, Lin MUST stay healthy above all else.

  • Michael

    Before every show Stephen A. Skip and the moderator (I think ) have a meeting and discuss what topics they are going to debate, and which they are going to discard. Stephen A. was always a Melo and Kobe lover, who hates discussing Lin related topics. Even though he wasn’t in the studio I am sure he had some input as to what was shown.

  • JLin showed great leadership by giving Marvin words of encouragement after struggling in Game 2,
    MW is a stand-up guy, definitely is my favorite JLin’s teammate in the Hornets

  • yes, Lin as PG means he can push the pace so the Hornets can have great ball movement and run the veteran Heat team out of the building.

    Too bad Cliff is afraid of taking the ball from Kemba so we can only hope at most 50-50 playmaking with Kemba.
    Maybe Cliff will be desperate enough to try JLin as PG to see what happens

  • fire9flyer

    I think Lin was praying.

  • karen sy

    i thought so too

  • karen sy

    add “second string at best”

  • rookie75094

    I like to see mass suicide in cf regardless..hehe

  • sws94

    Honestly, most teams besides Miami I say yes. But Miami takes things away with their length and Spo’s plans. They make life very difficult for guys like CP3 and Isiah Thomas, so you need a bunch of different guys to sometimes initiate the offense with them because of Spo’s schemes as well as their athleticism and length, particularly on their bench. This team is a challenge.

    What I’m observing is Lin is able to get into the paint. He may be able to do that somewhat better as an off-guard than a PG because he doesn’t have to deal with 3/4 court pressure and then some double teams as a PG. In this case, against this particular team, not dealing with Miami’s targeted specific ball handler offense may be a benefit.

    I think overall Lin has a chance to have a huge game since Batum is out. I’m measured because it is against Miami and he’s had his struggles, but I also think he’s showing he’s figured out some things and seems more confident against them and he’s due to have a breakout game. I hope he does. He’ll have to play big minutes today and as long as he’s out of foul trouble, he should be on the floor a lot to influence the flow of the offense at least at times in this game.

  • sws94

    He’s a key contributor. I let all the terms and classifications roll off of my back. Don’t care. Without Lin, this team probably doesn’t make the playoffs and that’s all that matters to me.

  • sws94

    My concern with Lin guarding Wade is Wade flopping and getting superstar foul calls that would send Lin to the bench in foul trouble. So let Lee guard him.

  • sws94

    Kemba played 2 different games. In game one he took a relatively small amount of shots and tried to facilitate. He lacked proper playoff energy. He went back to himself in game 2 taking way too many shots and going into heroball mode in the 2nd half. But the 2nd half both teams scored the same 43 points.

    Batum had a good scoring game in the first game but a poor scoring one in the 2nd and then got injured. In neither game did he get his facilitation going.

    Lin has had fairly consistent games, getting into the paint nicely. Lin’s points are OK, 9 and 11, but they need him to score more to get it going. Like most of the team, he has few assists. 3 in the first game led the team, and none in the 2nd. (If one argues Lin has few touches that is correct. However, he should look to go to the paint as much as possible)

    Marv is the problem here, his game is completely off and Miami scoring over 40 is the reason for losses.

    The team is getting to the line, that’s the best thing I can say about them.

  • donsmacau

    JLIN is an inspirational true-friend that’s why the equally “ego-less” teammates throughout his career love to play with him.

  • donsmacau

    As long as Kemba gets 42 mins in these playoffs there cannot be turnaround WITHOUT an attitude adjustment from Kemba himself (Cliff sure won’t make KW). Kemba has consistently refused to allow anyone but Batum do any playmaking when Kemba is on the floor and if he’s on the floor that much combined with concerted Alfense, there is little hope.

    Don’t believe the detractors who claim JLIN has been taken out of his game by Miami’s length or Spo’s plan – Clifford has done that with his plan.

  • donsmacau

    I will add that while Marv has not performed anywhere to his ability and shown some mental weakness in these playoffs, that still does not DETRACT from the fact he was the “glue guy” for the starters this regular season.

    Every time starters needed a huge bucket, hustle play or 3ptr to change momentum, Marvin delivered. Each game opposing fans would say they would like Marv in free agency.

    Fully expect petty and short-sighted CHA not to resign Marv post-season but there are plenty of teams who will.

    Loss of Marv & JLIN will decimated Hornets starters & bench next season.

  • adele

    Correct! Going through the motions. Two more games and were out of hornets clutches. No more agony watching Kemba iso and watching the losing team with Clifford.

  • KL

    Marvin is definitely having some kind of playoff jitters. Having played competitive sports, I can actually symphatise. Hope he snaps out of it.

    I agree that Kemba was facilitating more in game 1. But their defence was a mess. I actually felt that their defence was better in game 2 and they had a chance. Then Kemba overdid the shooting bit and kept shooting even when he started to cool off. Meanwhile Miami continued their excellent teamball offence and overwhelmed the Hornets overall in the end. That was game 2 to me.

  • adele

    Always experimenting. Sigh! 2 more games and were out of here.

  • adele

    Nothing wrong with Clifford. He is very consistent since day one on this season. Only time Jlin shines is when somebody is injured or sick. Clifford is Clifford. Kemba is the leader and captain of this team. In hornets mind, they are just doing their thing. They are in the playoffs. People did not expect them to be in the playoffs. A lot of teams are being swept. Not a big deal to them. Their Kemba is earning stats. That’s big for them than winning in this playoffs series in their narrow mind.

  • adele

    That is not what they are going to promote. They will summarize the Kemba stats just like we summarize Lins stats. They have the machinery to promote and blow up Kembas stats and they are doing it. That’s reality. We have to face it. Take it no matter how hard. My only hope is for Lin to get out of here after these 2 games

  • heart

    God please bless these two brothers today, Amen!

  • sws94

    Quarter 1, the teams both scored the same amount. 2nd half, the teams scored the same amount, 43. The game was lost after Lin went out in the 2nd Q and Miami went up 12 points. They won the game by 12 points.

    Marv will be OK I think. It’s game 3 and he’s coming home. He’s an 11 year vet. He’ll be back to himself today I hope.

  • sws94

    Rockets were down 0-2 and won on their home court. Barely. Just like Charlotte has a chance to do today. It’s an identical situation. Miami and Charlotte scored the same amount of points in 3 quarters last game, it’s the 2nd quarter that was different than the rest and only a few minutes of that quarter. Charlotte and Miami did play competitively most of that game.

  • takeme2cruz

    Picture of thousands words.

  • BobbyH

    They will step up this game.

  • DrewBear2

    This is worth a re-quote from Jeremy’s recent Reddit post about his teammates:

    “Marvin Williams: We call him Marv. He will be tied with Jared Jeffries for the best teammate I have ever had. He’s the most genuinely nice and polite person ever, seriously. He says “sir” a lot when talking to us, he always asks us about our families and takes care of everyone. He gives his per diem (which adds up to a lot of money) to Twin just out of generosity. In my opinion, Marv is the voice of our team and our glue guy. He also anchors our D.”

  • 22cents

    And 1+

  • Michael

    I hope he will focus on doing the one thing that he can absolutely control, grab every rebound and play defense as hard as Lin does, instead of thinking “I have to make the next shot, keep shooting, trust your training…etc”, and letting his offense start messing with his defense. It boggles my mind why Tyler hasn’t seen more minutes because there is no way the rebound difference would be that large if he was there.

  • spiderman

    Pathetic to put all that time and energy into someone they hate.

    Their moms must be proud.

  • 22cents

    Ha Ha. You still go to their site. Do not waste your time. Just click some post there.

    One guy give a nice summary. “Lin is an impact bench player …………Every team sucked after his departure. Almost every team made the playoff except Lakers. Lakers is even worse after he left……. He is an important bench player….”

    Doesn’t this mean that Lin is a very nice player who can change the game? Also, the reason why he is a bench player is because these coaches play him with a bench role. He was never given a chance to prove that he is the leader.

    Impact player! YES! Bench player!? NO!

  • CJSHYY
  • heart

    I also dislike when hearing commentators said those words. They’re parroting and propagating the narrative that Rox, Lakers, now Hornets try to pigeon holing him in. Pray that next season he will be the starter and lead his own team. The only time I might buy anything is when he’s the leader and captain of his own team!

  • jimmyL

    I don’t care if Lin starts or not
    I just hope he gets his and find a team that actually features him in offence
    The Hornets are a lost cause. The bigs are way too soft to compete at this level

  • new game thread
    http://www.jlinportal.com/playoff-round-1-game-3-cha-mia-game-thread/

    Down 0-2, this is a must-win game for the Hornets if they want to have any chance to win to come back in the series.
    – Will Clifford start Lin or Kaminsky in place of Batum? Despite the concern of the small lineup unable to defend a bigger Wade, Lin has proven to be a more reliable starter (17.5pts/4.8asts with 46% 3FGM in 13 games) than Kaminsky throughout the season (11.3pts/5.3reb with 36.3% 3FGM in 3 games)
    – Will the presence of Papa Lin, Baby Lin and his family help Jeremy to play all out in Charlotte?
    – What would Clifford to curb Kemba’s ISO-ball so the Hornets can play a teamball with excellent ball movement, smarter shot selection, PnR defense as Isiah Thomas said?

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s hope and pray JLin can solve the trapping defense of Miami Heat and helps the Hornets to play teamball to pull a home game.
    http://www.jlinportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Lin_LINE_And1.jpg

  • yes, we know Lin will be ready with Wade’s post-up move than the 1st one.
    Lin’s ability to push back the Heat on defense is also important to play fast and tire the veteran Heat team

  • Win

    Lmao.

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