P5 BKN Nets vs BOS Celtics: Growing Chemistry, Defense, and Deep Bench

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For one game, Coach Atkinson only used 11 players in order to see how his team matches up with Boston Celtics who is a formidable opponent and a projected 2nd Eastern Conference seed.

It was a mixed results since most starters can hold on their own as seen from +/-  (Lin has the highest at +11) but the reserves still needed a lot improvement as Vasquez (lowest +/- at -14) is still recovering from his surgically repaired ankle to regain his playing form.

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Coach Atkinson has a tough challenge in his hands because he knows a good playoff-caliber team would need to have a great starting lineup (anchored by experienced Brook-Lin), a deep bench (not yet) and good-to-great defense (still in-progress).

With two games left, it would be interesting to see if  Coach Atkinson will maintain playing 11-12 players to grow chemistry with regular playing time and same rotation or he would throw in player evaluation (Yogi Ferrel, Whitehead, Mockevicius, Jorge, McCullough) before they will go to the D-League.

Coach Atkinson would probably want to keep some weapons like Brook-Lin PnR hidden against the Celtics because they will face them again in only 9 days in the 1st regular season game. Coach would love to steal Game 1 on the road against a projected high-seed playoff team to build his player’s confidence.

Expect the starters to also play up to 25 min so it won’t stretch them too much. Keeping the players healthy and growing the chemistry of the 1st and 2nd team should be the #1 priority with only 2 preseason games left. Let’s keep them in our well-wishes and prayers.

Let’s go, JLin! Let’s go, Nets!


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  • Brent Yen

    The preseason game continues….So is Michael’s sleeping game….

  • Maknusia

    hope so!

  • 热情的lychee

    Today we going to win!

  • John
  • CJSHYY

    So who will be back up PG? Lin will play long min today….

  • spiderman

    Much needed rest for Vasquez:-)

  • psalm234

    Coach Atkinson might experiment who can step up as backup PG if Vasquez is slow to recover.

    Yogi and Whitehead might be too inexperienced but if they play, this is their last chance to make it to the roster. Not sure if Foye/Kilpatrick can fulfill the 6th Man scorer role, not necessarily the backup PG

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    glad to hear Vasquez is being rested…Let us see Whitehead and Yogi there.

  • CJSHYY
  • cshot

    Goatd.net will still work for tonights game right? Not televised today

  • psalm234

    goatd had some glitches before. batmanstream.com might be more reliable

  • psalm234
  • kauaiblue

    Will the game be on Yes?

  • kauaiblue

    is it safe?

  • psalm234

    so far with AdBlock, it’s safe
    I’m also testing reborn4hdlive.org if it can be ballstream replacement

  • kauaiblue

    thanks!

  • psalm234

    ouch, Cody and JLin definitely got the most hits/bloody noses/head as JLin confirmed

    @JLin7: “me and you (@CodyZeller) lead the league in bloody noses/broken noses/hits to the head”
    yes, with #nocalls
    https://twitter.com/JaneNC15/status/788059241248649216

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/788060116348080128

  • psalm234

    Non-Lin related but it’s good to put a smile on us today. What a funny dog 😄

    So many people are fighting as we get close to the US Election.
    Hoping and praying people don’t let hate & negative ads consume our thoughts and actions
    https://twitter.com/leonalewis/status/773631423588634624

  • BobbyH

    Nope. Away preseason game.

  • heart

    Ok, Psalm. Here’s another one to make you smile…
    https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets/status/787328004200554500

  • CJSHYY
  • kauaiblue

    Shux

  • Sophie Paris

    Boo we wanna see Lin>Rose 😉

  • psalm234

    Frank is hands-down the best Dancer among all Lin’s teammates =}

  • psalm234

    Tayshaun Prince at 36 is not ready to hang his sneakers and retire yet.
    A 6’9″ SF with championship experience (Detroit Pistons) and he can still be productive on defense and offense in 20min role
    But it’s hard to see the Nets having any roster space.

    He’ll be a good mentor for RHJ if Sean and Kenny like him

    https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/788123810230861824

  • heart

    He has a fun personality.

  • spiderman

    He would be helpful as mentor, like Scola.
    Can’t be worse than RHJ at this point

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here’s a very recent photo of Carlos Boozer at the Canton Tower, in Guangdong, China. In the summer, he was reportedly in talks to play for the Guangdong Southern Tigers of the Chinese Basketball Association.
    __________
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5db65a8345c3aacd9dd37e64e21ee68e8180650b8353190166e1d9f1f08b6c4.jpg

  • psalm234

    @BrooklynNets: Boston📍 #BrooklynGrit
    Tag: Jeremy Lin
    https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/788139203150372865

  • psalm234

    Hoping this season we’ll see Lin’s celebrate like this vs the Celtics, preferably in the playoff as the #7 seed upset the #2 seed
    https://twitter.com/mikkelkaasgaard/status/788126716837388288

  • psalm234

    new starting lineup w/ Twin Tower (Brook + JHam)

    Lin/Skilpatrick/RHJ/JHam/Brook
    https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/788146167297212416

  • swijayas

    Was hoping for Bojan to start, rather than Skil

  • psalm234

    I believe they still want to rest Bojan who played too much in the summer Olympics.
    And this is just another lineup experiment to boost Skil’s confidence who has been struggling in the new offensive system.

    I honestly think Coach Atkinson is playing poker with the Celtics. He doesn’t want to show all his cards for the 1st game on Oct 26 to Coach Brad Stevens. Very smart move.

  • psalm234
  • blueCypher

    Streams ?

  • Win

    I like that. Kinda sick of the motion offense…..

    Better fun some PNR too as is not like Lin and Brook has been playing together a long time like John Stockton and Karl Malone, they need time to gel……

  • zxcvb

    Ham and Lopez together! I love it.

  • psalm234

    The #Nets is the most revamped #NBA team w the least % of returning minutes of 15-16 roster (at 30.8%).
    NYK is #2 (at 39.2%)
    https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/788031248455335936

  • psalm234
  • riddick

    Dang…still at work.
    Someone plz keep this board updatd…thx!!

  • NONONO

    i don’t think Whitehead, Vasquez, Bennett, and McCullough are ready play for this season

  • Epie

    Lin 1 TO

  • Win

    Brook & Lin are out of sync

  • psalm234

    and recovered it 🙂

  • Win

    1st ast

  • NONONO

    1 assist, 1 steal.

  • psalm234

    no call on Lin drive
    a lot of contact by Crowder

  • NONONO

    I think Nets want to test their best lineup and try to win today

  • LimitedEdition

    Ugly game from both teams so far

  • psalm234

    beautiful Lin’s pass to Brook but couldn’t convert yet
    2-5

  • Spyckie

    Skil is leaking on defense.

  • psalm234

    Great hesitation move on Lin’s drive to draw a foul on Amir Johnson
    2 FTs to follow

  • kauaiblue

    Willl Adblock or poper blocker work?

  • NONONO

    it is bad idea going to rim on 3-1

  • NONONO

    They are traping Lin, Lin needs to pass fast

  • Spyckie

    that play was poorly set. You need 2 on that side to run the PnR. Skil was in the corner that really crowded the space.

  • Win

    3 TO.. the whole team look out of sync

  • Yura

    WHOSE WINNING?

  • Win

    Lin!

  • psalm234

    nice reverse layup by Lin
    9-11

  • Win

    What a dumb foul, over played

  • psalm234

    bad decision to foul Avery’s 3 by Skil

  • Win

    KP 33333

  • NONONO

    why not let Harris play SG?

  • psalm234

    Great ball movement … Lin-JHam inside- SKil outside for a wide open 3

  • zxcvb

    BKN-BOS games are going to be messy defensive battles all season.

    Both Lin and IT have 3 TOs. Brook-Lin looks rusty…timing is off.

  • psalm234

    maybe next game 🙂

  • cshot

    is that 2 fouls on lin already? lol gosh darnit

  • TVN

    This isn’t close to their best lineup.

  • psalm234

    AdBlock should work

  • Win

    I am ok with motion offense, but at the same time Kenny just need to plays Brook and Lin more.

  • zxcvb

    Yeah, they need to find chemistry. Boston is a great defensive team, so they should be fine in time. But both guys should play big minutes these final two games.

  • psalm234

    yes, chemistry takes time

  • TVN

    Don’t really like the lineup on the floor right now. No cohesion. Looks like the first time they’ve all played together.

  • Win

    Bad Bad Bad Team D…..

  • Spyckie

    Skil will be decent – I am very hard on him but that’s cause he definitely looks like the rookie out there.

    Whitehead is in – we get to see if he has improved any.

  • TVN

    Lopez is definitely a post up guy. Not nearly as proficient in ball screen situations.

  • psalm234

    Whitehead in for Lin (2 fouls) at Q1 5:37

  • Spyckie

    lol did you guys see bog’s kick haha

  • Spyckie

    Ball screens with lin will really only be to get Lopez in for good positioning down low. Lin will need to PnR with Booker or PnP with Hamilton.

  • cdblue10

    Putting up a different line up would disrupt whatever fluidity with players that have good cohesiveness.Just start Lin,Bogs,Escola Lopez and RHJ

  • psalm234

    nice defensive effort lol

  • dolphin2k2

    are they loss by purpose?

  • NONONO

    First quarter it is like volleyball

  • Spyckie

    yes – look at the lineup – CMC whitehead bog foye scola. it’s def a preseason lineup.

  • TVN

    yeah, Booker is also a Decent defender, which is why he starts. Hamilton was getting abused when he had to cover Jae Crowder.

  • NONONO

    no way, Lin got 2 fouls too early

  • Spyckie

    doesn’t matter how many fouls lin got, he would have been subbed anyways because they are testing lineups still…

  • NONONO

    i did not know CMC whitehead would play tonight. they are supposed in DL

  • kauaiblue

    how are you guys watching the game?

  • heart

    What kind of offense are we watching? There’s no cutting in the paint. Nets guys have efforts but not the smarts… SKilpatrick kept passing in traffic and both times turned over twice.

  • NONONO

    it is a mess.

  • TVN

    There are going to be nights like this. The overall talent level of the team gives them very little margin for error. If they aren’t on their A game, they cant compete at a high level.

  • cdblue10

    This is like playing basketball in the park and plays with different teammates all the time.

  • Win

    Everyone jacking up 3sss

  • psalm234

    This 14-2 run by BOS since Lin rested at 12-15 shows the #1 weakness of the Nets: a weak 2nd team 🙁

  • Spyckie

    Really interesting second lineup here – Whitehead, CMC, Bog, Foye Scola. When you put in a lineup like this, you are looking for:

    1) Can CmC be the rebounding shot blocker in limited minutes (in the regular season)?
    2) Can anyone besides Lin run the motion offense?
    3) Can Bog produce without help?

    4) Can Bog defend?

  • kauaiblue

    they ask to sign in? do you have to sign in?

  • NONONO

    i think looking for how bad it could be

  • Spyckie

    The answer seems to be no across the board…

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! No O No D…. smh!

  • NONONO

    it is 3rd or 4th team

  • cdblue10

    I hope they have close door practices,scrimmages and sets that fans doesn’t know.

  • psalm234

    oh yeah, Vasquez is still the best backup PG for #2 team

  • psalm234

    it simply doesn’t work. 14-3 run proved it

    A lot of people are unhappy with Vasquez but he’s the best backup PG even not being 100%
    This lineup just made Bog trying to score by breaking the motion offense.

  • psalm234

    Lin starts the 2nd quarter trying to restore some order

  • Spyckie

    yeah. It’s really sad to see because I want nets to be competitive but with the rest of the team it doesn’t look it.

  • Briiick

    Lin is turning the tide.

  • TVN

    The answer to all of those questions is “no.” McCullough needs to play in the D-League and if he does well there, he needs to add some strength. He’s a project with some upside.

    Vazquez can run the motion, but unless he rediscovers his Toronto form, he’s a liability in scoring and defending.

    Bog has some game, but he’s clearly outmatched athletically in the NBA. The hope is that he can thrive in a role as a scorer off the bench, but he, like everyone else, is trying to get comfortable in the offense.

  • psalm234

    Great fastbreak ending up with Lin scoring an easy layup!
    23-33

  • I am The Jason

    So many fouls

  • psalm234

    the ball movement and spacing looked much better

  • TVN

    Really like RHJ. Having not seen LeVert in NBA playing time, he’s the Nets best chance at developing an impact wing player.

  • Spyckie

    wow I like CMC defensively in the last two possessions… Hamilton CMC and RHJ can really move around on the court.

  • TVN

    Lin needs to stay confident with his J.

  • zxcvb

    He hit that midrange…despite the pushoff, ha.

  • spiderman

    cmc to the rhj to the afg

  • Win

    Nice drive!

  • zxcvb

    Lin unstoppable…except for fouls. Luckily it’s preseason!

  • TVN

    Should have taken the 3.

  • Spyckie

    he didn’t hide it well enough 🙂 nice vet move though

  • psalm234

    Loved Lin’s aggressiveness to slice to the rim for an easy layup

    8pts/2asts/1reb/1stl in 10 min

  • zxcvb

    Agreed. But he probably wanted to try out his midrange. Almost no midrange Js this preseason.

  • sws94

    Lin’s finding a rhythm now with some of his players. Wish he wasn’t in foul trouble.

  • Spyckie

    Lin makes scoring look so easy. It stands out even more since the rest of the cast can’t seem to find a bucket.

  • aggressiveplayer

    4 TOs though =/

  • zxcvb

    No biggie. It’s preseason. IT has 3 despite having a clear system and same teammates.

  • Spyckie

    the TOs are not bad ones. Some are the result of bad sets (PnR in a crowd, etc)

  • TVN

    I think he’s a little gun shy from that air ball earlier. Maybe, maybe not.

  • NONONO

    I bet these refs cannot get away for not fair to Lin in BK this year.

  • psalm234

    I don’t mind the last TO from the aggressive drive and the elbow push-off
    It needs to be cut down but it’s almost an And-1 so quite a good tradeoff

  • TVN

    It’s preseason, so I’m not concerned. More chemistry with his teammates and those TO’s are eliminated.

  • zxcvb

    He’ll definitely get more calls on offense. Don’t know about defense yet.

  • zxcvb

    Brook and Hamilton together doesn’t work. Too soft and slow inside.

  • Rick James

    well..it doesnt matter if the rest of team is getting blown out

  • CJSHYY

    Brook’s D is really bad…. smh! Why now O is not good either??

  • Spyckie

    Agree. Hamilton needs to be the 3 point threat but he hasn’t got a look all game. If he doesn’t look for his offensive game, what is he out there for? His defense?

  • Rick James

    none of the team really works together. Some guys are just trying to play 1v1 basketball and the defense is even uglier

  • negsintheair

    I am starting worry…….

  • TVN

    As should be expected. If they look like this in Game 20, then there’s very little hope.

  • Rick James

    LOL offensive foul

  • NONONO

    Is Booker playing? Celtics too fast. Only Lin, Booker, Harris can keep up their speed. Whitehead, Kil, RHJ only have speed.

  • Spyckie

    Brook’s D is always bad. His O is still really good. He can buy a bucket pretty much any time he wants to by himself. I think he needs to be set up first and force people to double him. It will open up a lot of offense for the rest of the team.

  • TVN

    Booker looks like he’s sitting out tonight.

  • Win

    Brook should really being used like Al Jefferson.

  • Spyckie

    Doesn’t seem like it. CmC is the replacement

  • psalm234

    Finally, Lin’s assist to JHam wide-open 3!

  • Rick James

    LOL at these awful nets playing hot potatoe

  • Spyckie

    ping pong rebounding

  • MEL LIN

    weird substitution. No wonder brook lin won’t work they don’t see each other lol

  • TVN

    I can see why they are experimenting with Ham at the PF. Just wish he could defend better.

  • Spyckie

    that was the right read by lin. Brook was too close

  • NONONO

    it is okey, this kind of fast pace style could take half season to settle

  • Spyckie

    They should be on opposite sides of the court, IMO. They are not a “natural” fit. I think they can be deadly but they will need a lot of playing time together.

  • psalm234

    yeah, ideally the last 3 games should have regular rotation for the starters for some consistency

  • Vincent

    Hows our boy doing? bout to turn on

  • Arsenium12 .
  • Spyckie

    The lone bright spot on the team… as usual.

  • zxcvb

    Nets playing hard and unselfish. Just no offensive chemistry due to constantly changing lineups.

    Best stretches of preseason involve Lin as the unquestioned #1 and Hamilton as his center. Booker is definitely valuable…Nets get killed inside w/o him.

  • Vincent

    I saw 4 tos were they bad?

  • chronoshifter

    Honestly i didn’t think it was a good call, i feel like that happens all the time in the NBA. When you are driving like that sometimes your arm gets trapped, it may not have even been on purpose. Maybe if they are trying to crack down on that sorta thing, if they call it consistently all season, than fine.

  • zxcvb

    Nah. Just “no chemistry” TOs. Also great defense by Boston — Thomas has 4 TOs as well!

  • Vincent

    Also is kenny setting screens for him?

  • Alaingrvis

    Just got from class hows Lin doing???

  • Rick James

    right now theyre playing better with lin on the bench, mostly because skilpatrick is actually stepping up

  • Vincent

    True different lineup will do that

  • zxcvb

    Err, I wouldn’t say that. Lin had them even (-1) until Lopez, uh, did his thing.

  • chronoshifter

    I feel in the first quarter especially in the beginning with Lin in they had good ball movement and action but then someone would drop the pass and the advantage gained from the previous movement was entirely lost in that 1-2 seconds to recover the pass. That happened like 4 or more times.

  • psalm234

    Good aggressive mindset w/ easy drives
    But this starting lineup with JHam and Brook was not working too well in ball movement and defense.

    Still 8pts/3asts/1reb/1stl/4tos

  • Win

    No one can finish…..

  • Alaingrvis

    why is he still experimenting. Jham cant defend

  • Rick James

    scola has been doing that since the dinosaur age

  • Alaingrvis

    Still getting blown out. Can the coach stop trying weird lineups

  • chronoshifter

    And 2? of the turnovers were due to Lin waiting for teammate to move to the basket…faster, or the pass was slightly ahead of them due to the teammate not moving toward the hoop, if they did they would have been open for a layup.

  • zxcvb

    Brook hasn’t looked good all preseason…fast pace and quick passes too much for him?

    Start Lin / RHJ / Bojan / CMC / Hamilton in the 2nd half (since Booker is resting).

  • chronoshifter

    I hate how scola sets bad screens and gets called for it….i feel like this happens twice a game…

  • Spyckie

    That’s what I mean by “Skil looks like a rookie”. They are running the play and build up an advantage but a bad pass, missed timing, or bad decision and all the advantage of the play gets reset.

    It’s why I want Foye at SG – he helps the play develop and not drop.

  • TVN

    Brook is $20M guy. They’re not just going write off his fit this early. He’s got to eventually play better, but Hamilton won’t pass as an NBA starting center.

  • sws94

    I thought he looked like he was trying to figure out other players. He’s in foul trouble. I’d like to see his jumper fall. He had a 3 ball rushed air-ball and a 3 that was too long. The other points he made were on drives or getting fouled.

  • Alaingrvis

    2 games from the season and we are getting blown out as well as trying weird lineups…… Not looking good

  • Spyckie

    His whole game is around his ISO play. Without that, he will not look very good.

  • zxcvb

    He sat the 2nd half of the 1st preseason game. And Lin and Ham went on a 14-0 run to clinch the win.

  • TVN

    It’s the preseason. If anything, were just seeing what most thought we would see–the Nets have no depth.

  • Rick James

    OOOLD MAN SCOLLA!!! Great pickup from offseason!

  • Spyckie

    🙂 i love that nickname

  • Alaingrvis

    why is whitehead playing??

  • Rick James

    scola and bogdanovic!! very impressed with those 2

  • Spyckie

    “Celtics defense holding Nets to 34% shooting”…

    NO the nets lineups are BAD.

  • zxcvb

    Trying to see whether to keep him active as 3rd PG…or send him to D-League right away.
    Looking like D-League.

  • TVN

    It’s preseason. The results don’t matter. Good or bad.

  • zxcvb

    Celtics defense is very good though.

  • zxcvb

    Exactly. So he can sit the 2nd half!

  • Spyckie

    True – didn’t meant to discount their D

  • TVN

    Preseason. He’s in over his head, but the games don’t count.

  • Mr Chuckles

    The Nets just look bad. Can’t shoot, can’t finish at the rim, can’t rebound, can’t catch a pass. Really ugly.

    And what happened to Lin’s 3-pt shooting? Missed the last 5 attempts.

  • TVN

    Lin has to trust all the work he did this summer and the previous summers. He can’t be swayed by immediate results. He has to shoot without hesitation when the shot is there.

  • zxcvb

    Physical defense taking him out of his comfort zone…reverting to “drive-first” Lin. Which is unstoppable, but he should keep trying his jumper during preseason.

  • Rick James

    well, lins 3pt shooting is just regressing to the mean. Were you expecting steph curry or something? At this point, im hoping for a 35% 3pt season.

  • TVN

    Dilemma for the Nets is who to start at the 2. Right now, Harris is probably the guy I’d go to.

  • Mr Chuckles

    Of course I wasn’t expecting SC, but airballing isn’t what I was expecting either.

  • zxcvb

    Curry airballs too. Surprisingly a lot for someone so elite.

  • Mr Chuckles

    Sure, but Lin’s misses look so off.

  • Mr Chuckles

    Yeah, but even the Nets’ wide open shots are not going in.

  • Rick James

    again…Lin is no steph curry. He hits some incredible shots some times in clutch moments but most of the time i’d rather he just take layups 😛

  • heart

    SK does not have the bb iq. I saw he had a clear path to the basket, but wouldn’t take it. Maybe due to lack court vision. He kept passing in traffic to Scola and made the same TO, twice!

  • Mr Chuckles

    I feel like a broken record. I am not saying he is SC, I just recall his shot being a little closer to going in than what we are seeing these last 2 games. I know small sample size. And, no, he is not SC.

  • blueCypher

    Working stream ?

  • TVN

    I rather he play, no matter how bad. Justin Hamilton is a nice find by Marks as a backup big, but we know what he gives you. I don’t care about winning this game. No one will care about this in a month. Lopez needs more time to find his fit within what they do. He probably dominates in practice because no one on the roster can guard him, but that points more to the Nets’ lack of any decent defending bigs on the roster.

  • zxcvb
  • Alaingrvis

    everytime the rookies play we are down by atleast 10

  • BobbyH

    The rebound in killing the Nets. 16-28

  • Spyckie

    Putting up Whitehead against IT…

  • Rick James

    well our sample size isn’t that small if we take into account his hornets games after he tweaked his shot. The 3pt shot after that time was 34% which is not awful but by no means great either.

  • CJSHYY
  • Spyckie

    First half analysis –
    50 – 62
    Brooklyn down by 12.

    Well, what do you expect when you have Booker sitting and Whitehead and CMC playing significant minutes?

    There were several good CMC defensive rotations and contests.
    I like RHJ this game – I think he deserves the positive defensive praise he’s gotten in the past.
    Skil – in the future, I can see him being pretty good. But right now his decision making is rookie level.

    We have really bad rebounding bigs, both the stats and eye test affirm this.

    Decision making for this game:
    Highest impact:
    Lin / Scola

    No Impact:
    Brook / Foye / Hamilton / Bog / RHJ

    Negative Impact:
    Skil / Whitehead / CMC

  • NONONO

    he did not get much open look like the first game. He will be fine.

  • Vincent

    they really just need to go all lin ball lol

  • Vincent

    lins pnr makes players so much better

  • TVN

    He’s overreacting because its preseason. If the Nets look like this in Game 20, then I’ll stop watching night after night. Until then, the team deserves a shot to figure things out. The low level of overall talent means they really have to tighten up their D by a lot.

  • Rick James

    wow lopez….just awful

  • Rick James

    skilpatrick needs to be on the starting 5

  • Win

    Nice ast !

  • zxcvb

    All preseason he’s been totally off on both ends.

  • cshot

    His overreacting is a bit irritating at times

  • Rick James

    beautiful layup by lin

  • Steppen03

    The rookies will NOT be playing in the regular season except garbage min. Greivis – take 10min from JLin7 (NEEDS to play 35-40m) in order for this team to thrive!

  • Win

    Ever heard of hesitation drive? Hehehe.

  • Spyckie

    “he’s a clever player…” 🙂 yes he is

  • zxcvb

    Unstoppable at the rim. Biggest obstacle to improving his jumper — he can always fall back on the drive.

  • Alaingrvis

    nice nice nice

  • zxcvb

    Worried about Brook. The only time he has looked good so far is as a spot-up jump-shooter.

  • TVN

    Trevor Booker is their best rebounder and he’s out tonight.

  • zxcvb

    I don’t think Lin will play the 4th. He willingly picked up his 4th foul after Brook’s TO and IT looks done for the night.

  • TVN

    Give him time. Not saying he’ll be ideal in this O, but too early to reach conclusions, IMO.

  • Steppen03

    YES, it’s preseason – it’s TIME for experimenting – so we’ll be more prepared in regular.

  • Rick James

    3!! I wasn’t expecting it to go in but happy it did lol

  • zxcvb

    33333333

  • zxcvb

    Worst case scenario is that Nets win 30-35 while Lin gets to stat-pad 20/6 on the regular.

  • kauaiblue

    my stream says offline… anyone else having this problem?

  • stam

    Just tuning in guys… any quick recap over the TOs? Also are those fouls phantom fouls?

  • Rick James

    LOL! After watching these pre season games im not sure that anyone here is expecting 30-35 wins. UNLESS the rookies start gelling FAST

  • Spyckie

    yeah had to switch streams.

  • zxcvb

    1 maybe, but calls have been fair both ways. Just a messy game for both teams (look at Celtics and IT’s TOs!).

  • zxcvb

    You forget about Sixers, Knicks, Lakers, Magic, Kings…

    Celtics are a projected Top 3 team in the East.

  • stam

    Ok great at least IT got some Tos too lol

  • Alaingrvis

    Lin break

  • Rick James

    hmm you’re right! LOL…but all those teams got better in some way, they aren’t the same as they were last season

  • Alaingrvis

    Issue is what do the nets do when Lin goes to the bench

  • zxcvb

    Wonder if he’ll come back in. Probably should with such a confused offense, but who knows.

  • Alaingrvis

    8 point game already

  • heart

    Did you hear PnR play??? That’s why Lin and Lopez need to play pnr in these preseason games.

  • Spyckie

    Wow – Budinger, Scola, CMC, Bog, and Gutz.

    KA is giving them a second look huh?

  • Vincent

    Are they playing lin style offense or motion my stream stopped working

  • Rick James

    lin sits and the celtics go on a run

  • zxcvb

    Well, they weren’t very good last year, so I’m not worried! And injuries to key guys like Middleton, Hayward and Reggie Jackson make other teams vulnerable.

  • NONONO

    Mcc just not prepared at all

  • zxcvb

    Nets fans don’t want to hear this, but LIN IS THE TEAM. It’s “All Lin” or nothing.

  • stam

    yeah as soon as lin sits… but the bench is trying with efforts on D and they are trying to pass to the open man

  • Alaingrvis

    bos bench having it easy out there

  • NONONO

    Save some for the regular season

  • Yura

    Word

  • Alaingrvis

    It was just a 2 point game

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i more and more convinced that Lopez isn’t going to be a very good PNR player. bring on Ham-Lin!!

  • zxcvb

    Brook is like a rich man’s David Lee. He’s super talented offensively, but his style is just outdated. I thought they could make it work, but Brook looks totally uncomfortable out there. Missing shots doesn’t matter in preseason, but comfort/fit does.

    Offense must run through Lin, and Lin should have a “hall pass” on defense if he’s in foul trouble. Can’t afford to take him off the court!

  • NONONO

    omg #8 cannot shoot, cannot defend, cannot pass

  • BobbyH

    Nets 2nd unit is destroyed by BOS 2/3 unit. Where is the defense?

  • blueCypher

    With lin in the game this team can compete. Can atkinson conjure up a decent 2nd unit. Otherwise he is gonna have to play lin like 40mins . Lol that is not good

  • Rick James

    celtics 3rd unit killing nets 2nd unit

  • Spyckie

    Don’t think too much about this. The lineup right now has more players that will be dleague/cut than in the real second unit.

  • Vincent

    Was kenny setting picks for lin during the game?

  • Sundown

    I agree it’s a bad team.

  • blueCypher

    Yes. This is just to rest the rotation guys haha

  • joy

    it’s 93:76 at the end of 3q

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    a rich man Big Al, too

  • MEL LIN

    we need some bigs who can play defense. Can we still trade and acquire someone?

  • zxcvb

    Some. They weren’t very good though. Brook didn’t roll well and Scola got whistled on a moving screen that hurt Lin more than IT, ha.

  • NONONO

    who is #8? i cannot find #8 on Nets’ roster

  • zxcvb

    We need you Ed Davis!

  • Spyckie

    Not much – no booker to set picks.

    Did some PnR with Brook but was not the right spacing.

    They don’t have good screeners outside of Booker. Scola, Hamilton, Brook are not the roll men you want to rely on.

  • Alaingrvis

    we only have 1 preseason game left

  • Spyckie

    skil

  • MEL LIN

    we need defense like bigs who can play D. Let Lin do all the scoring.

  • Vincent Lee
  • Spyckie

    Final shot for them to show what they’re worth.

  • blueCypher

    Please dont put lin back

  • Rick James

    listen man….the problem with the nets and I think we can all agree is that without lin, they collapse hard. Yes, bogdonavic, Scola skilpatrick and lopez can step up, but they are disorganized without lin. Soon as Lin sits, and the other team starts recking us. At least on the hornets, it wasn’t THIS bad. The 1st unit would dig us into holes of 3-6 points most nights, but never 20 points like were seeing with the nets

  • Alaingrvis

    We know what they are already

  • zxcvb

    That’s probably a better analogy. I thought of David Lee since he got benched despite his All-Star track record. He just didn’t fit in today’s top NBA lineups (GSW or BOS).

  • TVN

    Kenny doesn’t set picks as a coach. He’s on the sideline.

    But to answer your Q, there were a decent amount of ball screens for Lin in this game. Correct Spacing and chemistry are issues that need to be worked on, though.

  • heart

    Doesn’t matter if it’s Lopez or Hamilton or whoever, KA needs to have them play a variety of offensive schemes in real games so they can get chemistry and be more creative. You don’t just use part of the schemes in real game, unless that is the main offensive scheme. Specific scheme is practiced at your own training center. Did you see Celtics guys even bench guys play pnrs?

  • james brown

    these nets second unit can’t say that they were hurdling big margin when they came in… they just trail by 2 when they were subbed and the least they could do somehow is to manage it to at least 5 point to make a semblance of winning. MCulloughs fumble on a fast break is somewhat ominous of what can this bench brings in to the team come regular season. Hope kenny finds the suitable combination to adjust this discrepancies…

  • LW

    Brook Lopez has been a no show the whole preseason so far. If he continues to be a non factor after season opens (which is likely going to be the case), it’s going to be hard for the Nets to get any wins. The motion offense the Nets are running now is really looks mediocre. Just moving the ball around to find the open man is too simple and doesn’t work because the defense won’t react. They’ve got to let someone attack to force the defense to react before finding the open man. The Celtics are doing a better job at this.

  • james brown

    spacing is the big problem with the nets

  • blueCypher

    A beau beech sighting

  • Alaingrvis

    We are doing the same thing and expecting a different result

  • zxcvb

    Only offense needed from today’s centers are PnR dunks and putbacks.

  • Spyckie

    Budinger knows this is likely his last game to shine. I hope he plays well.

  • Vincent

    Darb cuz lin han 13 and 5 must have been playing well cuz offense isnt his forte

  • Win

    This is just ugly…..

  • Rick James

    Ed Davis??

  • stam

    This team needs a lot of work. just when they started stopping the bleeding.

  • NONONO

    he is dong well

  • zxcvb

    Lin done for the night, I guess. Season opener is against the Celtics, so why show them more Lin?

    Good news is that Lin-led lineups were never overwhelmed in either BOS game — it was about even.

  • TVN

    Budinger is just a victim of the numbers game. There’s really no spot for him on this team. He’s a shooting and scoring specialist, but so are Bog and Kilpatrick.

  • Alaingrvis

    These rookies are not at an NBA level stop putting them out there. The team gets nothing from these blow outs

  • stam

    Now to find a good bench…

  • zxcvb

    He’s a great PnR big, athletic finisher with good hands. And a mobile rim protector on D.

  • Alaingrvis

    Thats not good. Its still a blow out unless Lin plays 40 minutes

  • TVN

    Calm down. This game means nothing.

  • Lefon Jang

    Could use Anthony Bennett in this rotation. No rebounds!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    it’s a given that without Lin, his team usually collapse. that applies to all of his previous teams too

  • blueCypher

    Ya. I wouldnt want lin to play 40 mins.

  • james brown

    thats what KA is doing now..find a suitable bench for at least 10 minutes ..

  • zxcvb

    He might against the Celtics. Luckily, most teams aren’t as good as BOS.

    Play 40 against top teams. Play only 25 after blowing out the Sixers, Lakers, Knicks, Magic…

  • BobbyH

    Trying to find excuse for KA, not wanted to show all forces in preseason? Opener one week away?

  • kauaiblue

    anyone know jlins stats?

  • TVN

    He doesn’t rebound well, unfortunately. It’s Booker that the Nets are missing. Best rebounding/D option at the PF spot that they have.

  • MEL LIN

    is ED available?

  • sport

    Booker with 30 mins? and Lopez still restricted with only 19min? I didn’t know Booker was the start of the team?! *Rolls Eyes. Lin 27 mins and Lopez with only 19min only wonder the team lost and with lower scoring! If this transfers to regular season I’d be glad I didn’t get league pass again.

  • Alaingrvis

    Lin was just on the lakers. The blow outs wasnt a fluke. The preseason shpows you your flaws. Our flaws are too much to overcome

  • Rick James

    ummm….the celtics are VERY knowledgeable on Lin’s game. There is no other reason to sit Lin, except that the coach wants the 2nd and 3rd unit to get some experience in time for the regular season. Unfortunately our 2nd unit is getting beaten by the celtics 3rd unit LOL.

  • blueCypher

    What is a good minutes per game for lin without hurting his effectiveness

  • TVN

    Beech is now out there.

  • Spyckie

    To be fair – it took someone to let Lin play significant minutes before he broke out. You need to give these rookies a chance to show it.

  • Vincent

    Put lin in

  • Lefon Jang

    Booker won’t be playing in this garbage time.

  • blueCypher

    No . Do not.

  • Steppen03

    What you’re talking about..? It’s not the real rotation. Plus, JLin7 need to play 35+ min in order for this team’s success. The backup pg is weak but he only play 10m.

  • Alaingrvis

    That was hitting gold. Doesnt happen alot

  • Spyckie

    36 minutes tops.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    LED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TVN

    The Hornets won almost every preseason game last year, but did that mean they were a great team?

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Ed Davis, Awww YEah

  • sport

    Our big “should” be Lopez but he only play 19 mins without any PnR or system tailoring to him or JLin!

  • heart

    Isaiah Thomas has 19pts w/ Zero assist today. And he has talents surrounding him. I bet you BStevens won’t give him a hard time about his Zero assist!

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin’s done for the night. No lin no win…

  • Lefon Jang

    If Lin plays the 4 quarter he kills Celtics!

  • Rick James

    tyler zeller looks alot like cody

  • zxcvb

    Lin’s updated shooting splits: 61% FG / 47% 3pt / 78% FT

  • Vincent

    I dont understand lopez is supposed to be a 20 and 10 guy know. Known for his pnr

  • Alaingrvis

    They really dont need him to pass. Other players can get there own. On the nets well…….Its clearly a different story

  • sport

    Dude doesn’t even want to play Lopez 20+ mins in preseason let alone give Lin 40mins. I’d be happy with 30 or more at the rate preseason is going.

  • LW

    The Brook-Lin duo has been non existent and besides Lin, the Nets have been bad at motion offense and bad at defense. At this rate, the 20-wins-only prediction may actually become true.

  • heart

    So deflating and tired of watching your own team lose each game. If Lin is not on this team, I’d turn the TV off long ago…

  • Epie

    I wouldn’t call it nothing. Only one week left.

  • Alaingrvis

    Not alot of PNR at all

  • zxcvb

    Kenny walked back his comment! He said he looked at the game footage and saw that Lin made the right passes — just didn’t get dimes in the boxscore. Atkinson is a good guy like that!

  • TVN

    I expect about 34 mpg, depending on what Vazquez gives them.

  • Vincent

    Yes the lin factor only works if the coach allows it

  • Vincent

    Players would get much betrer looks if they let lin play pnr

  • NONONO

    good thing is we know Lin will play 30mins / game this season as starter

  • psalm234

    Only Lin’s FTs need to get to 85-90%
    I’m happy with the rest if he can maintain 50% FG & 40% 3FG

  • Rick James

    did you forget that the hornets were a 50 win team last season?

  • Yura

    I’m sure he will when the regular season starts 🙂

  • Lefon Jang

    I’m sure pnr will be there in regular season

  • Vincent

    Yeah im still optimistic

  • Lefon Jang

    Great minds think alike!

  • Rick James

    LOL!! Celtics making fun of the knicks hard!

  • zxcvb

    I’m confused by his FT%. I’m totally confident Lin will shoot 37-40% this season from 3. But I highly doubt he’ll break 84% from the line. *shrug*

  • blueCypher

    Ya. I think 34min he will still be effective

  • TVN

    We all know how efficient he can be. He’ll need to perform at an MVP-level for this Nets team to be competitive.

  • sport

    I’m happy Lin’s finally the designated starting PG but KA seems to be playing games with him and Brook Lopez because this offense doesn’t work with their strengths. I’ll still give him the benefit of the doubt since it’s preseason. But if this continues to regular season it’s going to be rough.

  • Yura

    Pnr is the most exciting type of offense to me. I want to see some alley oop action!!

  • sport

    Both Lin & Brook Lopez would if KA drew more PnR plays for them.

  • Rick James

    so true…im going to turn it off. Lin should just head to locker room early and head back home in the maserati to play some Dota.

  • David Ly

    … is a hellava drug.

  • cshot

    guys. i understand whhy the panic and worry is arising, but its still preseason. give kenny a chance. its his first time as a head coach lol. as we all know, he doesnt have much to work with other than jeremy and brook. hes trying his best to see how he can get others involved. im pretty sure he will resort to the brook-lin pick and roll pretty quickly into the regular season

  • guest

    I guess motion offense involves passing ball to perimeter and letting anyone shoot. Defenses will let them shoot three’s all night.

  • psalm234

    Only the 3rd-4th team is playing on the floor now.
    This is the last chance they need to impress enough to find a way to make a roster or the 1st one to be called.

    IMO Coach Atkinson has seen enough that his starters can go toe-to-toes with BOS starters but the 2nd team still needs a lot of work

  • MEL LIN

    PNR will be there. Pick but no roll due to miscommunication and not having enough time to build chemistry. You guys saw the PNR Brook to Lin turnover = (

  • DLin

    This is the problem with having a player development coach as HC. He is overly concerned with developing rookies rather than his first unit’s chemistry.

  • Rick James

    indeed it is!

  • freemind

    ya i am with you. …so missing these actions

    https://twitter.com/TAGUSHO24/status/787756419055439872

  • TVN

    Brook is not even Lin’s best option in the PnR. Lopez is a post up player. Finding a way to incorporate that and Lin PnR with Booker (most likely) is the challenge. It’ll take time to accomplish.

  • joy

    I’m sure everyone wants to see BrookLin play PnR on the last preseason game.

  • Spyckie

    Still have no idea what to think about these Nets. We haven’t seen optimal lineups during preseason. I hope they play a good lineup in the last preseason game.

    For next game, i want this minute distribution:

    Lin – 32 min
    Booker – 34 min
    Lopez – 32 min
    RHJ – 30 min
    Bog – 22 min
    Skil – 20 min
    Scola – 20 min
    Foye – 16 min
    Hamilton – 14 min

  • joy

    That has been in my mind too. Unfortunately we don’t have too many preseason games for him to experiment.

  • Rick James

    I think we can all appreciate how skillful Lins hornets team mates really were at this point.

  • cshot

    right i agree with you there. booker and lin seem to click better. but my hope in brook and lin isnt gone yet

  • NONONO

    Lin + Brook players same time for 20 mins

  • Briiick

    The 1st unit is all positive with evenly distributed shots. This is a good sign for me because there is no egotistic cancer there.

  • Yura

    Yea we should be happy and grateful that Lin is a starting point guard and that God has given him this opportunity after years of struggle. I didn’t watch the game but we should be more positive!

  • NONONO

    at least

  • Lefon Jang

    You mean Kemba the ball hog?

  • cshot

    amen haha!

  • heart

    He should not have uttered it in the media though. Nets won and Lin shot well that night. Lin knew and explained why he didn’t have that many assists that night and we fans knew why too, but why didn’t KA? Thought KA knew Lin better than that! That shows inexperience which can affect a player’s shooting mentality…

  • Rick James

    yes kemba, but more marvin williams, frank kaminsky, big Al, spencer hawes. I don’t like batum but he was really helpful too.

  • Win

    Lol but I agreed. KW is way better, Al, Lamb, Lee, Cody….

  • Win

    Oh yeah and MW.

  • TVN

    DIdnt forget that at all. But that’s more “good” than “great.”

    Preseason.

  • Lefon Jang

    Yeah but Lin’s the man now. He’s no more bench!

  • Rick James

    well, we are the ones who asked for lin to go to the nets, so we can’t complain now. I am one of the ones who said Lin should go to rockets, or 76ers instead.

  • Vincent

    man this team has talent, coach just needs to find the right lineup… bog should be starting npt rhj

  • InfiniteWisdom

    just wait till they play starters minutes. they’ll be in EVERY game. im not panicking just yet. kenny isnt showing his cards in preseason…

  • NONONO

    Bogdanovic -32, how???

  • Rick James

    Lin in the man of a D-league team?? That is comforting.

  • Epie

    Didn’t know it was possible to go -30 lol

  • Rick James

    horrible defense probably.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    im convinced bogs just there for practice. nothing to learn playing with d leagers….

  • Alaingrvis

    We were down by 2 then 3 minutes later it was down by 15 now its 20

  • james brown

    at least he has the ball to say that he was wrong and being a young coach has its own growing pains too!..LOL!

  • Spyckie

    He’s been playing with trash players. And he is not a player that makes other players better.

  • Cortucky

    Reading these comments, it seems like a lot of fans here don’t understand the purpose of preseason.

    This is a chance for the coach to test out strange lineups and see who works best with one another.

    He already knows how good Lin is. He already knows the PNR is going to be their bread and butter. But with 82 games, he can’t rely on it all the time and Lin can’t play for 48 minutes a night.

    There’s no point in trying to win preseason games and then lose in the regular season because you didn’t get enough chances to try different things when it didn’t count.

    These are basically practice games.

    And the worst would be if Lin plays too much during preseason and gets injured… I would even prefer he skip the last game and only play when it counts.

  • NONONO

    Nets all white to close the game?

  • MEL LIN

    brothers

  • Alaingrvis

    It would make sense if you focus on NBA ready players. Also it would Help to play the starter more since all of them are new. Getting blown out by 20 every game does nothing for the team. Its insanity to do the same thing and expect a different result. Rookies are not Nba ready idc how much they play they wont be ready

  • Alaingrvis
  • james brown

    all understand the meaning of pre season games.Its just that we are all observing players development as well coaching ..its not that critical but just venting some thing others though should be done other than whats happening…

    i am just chilling and waiting for the regular season to begin with Lin at the Helm!

  • Alaingrvis

    Removing your best two player from doing what they do best is lunacy

  • psalm234

    very well-said

    With 2 preseason games against BOS Celtics, Coach Atkinson would prefer stealing Game 1 vs the Celtics on Oct 26.
    He is better off not showing all his cards during the preseason. A deep bench is very important for a long 82-season.

    We don’t want Coach to ride Lin with 37+ min like Coach Clifford did with Kemba last season then ending up with knee surgery in the off-season

  • Alaingrvis

    Deciding not to PNr Brook and Lin is crazy. Thats what
    they do best. They should be building chemistry. If they dont we wont
    win 10 games

    Nets daily

    The Nets have averaged just about 34 3-point attempts in
    the first four preseason games. Monday, they hit 11 on 32 attempts. The
    motion offense is necessary for the fast-paced NBA style nowadays, but
    at the same time you need to play to your strengths. With that being
    said, where has the pick and roll been between Brook Lopez and Jeremy
    Lin?

    I know, I know. It’s preseason. But Lopez hasn’t found
    much of a groove in the preseason… at all. He’s camped out on the
    3-point line and rarely sets and picks to free up neither the ball
    handler nor himself. In 19 minutes of action, he finished with six
    points on 2-of-8 shooting. This is worth keeping an eye on as the season
    approaches.

  • TVN

    +1,000,000

  • james brown

    that’s stubbornness on the part of clifford for he had the best bench PG then whom can make walkers play easy but didn’t use. Now they will see the effect of that!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    nets have been competitive whenever the nba ready guys have played. the only problem is minutes. they havent played enough to win these meaningless preseason games. brook gets no minutes. lin gets 20-something. bog plays garbage minutes. this isnt what the reg season is going to look like… have faith….

  • TVN

    All NBA teams play deep bench players or likely roster cuts in the preseason. The Nets getting blown out just means they lack depth.

  • Alaingrvis

    This all depends on how much Lin plays.

  • cdblue10

    I’m pretty sure Atkinson have already a 9-10 man rotation and a set line up.It seems he intended to lose every game to go under the radar.

  • kauaiblue

    yeah, was wondering if he is doing this on purpose!

  • Alaingrvis

    So here my prediction for the regular season….. If lin doenst play more then 35 minutes a game it will be a long season. Him playing a ton is the only way we win maybe 30 games which would be amazing on this team. We have zero depth.

  • Spyckie

    To piggy back off of this – We really need depth much more than we need teamwork. A lot of our good players are not 2 way players.

    You need the right combinations of D and O in a lineup, and 2 way players are great because you can throw them in pretty much any lineup and ask them to contribute on D or O. But we can’t expect defense from Brook, Bogs, or Skil and offense from Booker and RHJ. Not to mention of rebounding, ball handling, passing, speed, or strength.

    This is really limiting, so ideally we should be looking for specialists who can come in and compete (especially defensively and rebounding) against the difficult mismatches throughout the year. Unfortunately, none of the rookies seem ready to fill in that roll. Hopefully they surprise us with their growth and we will see them later this year.

    Finally, I very much respect KA’s playing Beech and Budinger. It shows respect to these athletes who have worked really hard to get there. It also shows the fans good reasons as to why they are going to be cut. 🙂

  • BobbyH

    We shall see in the first 10 games of regular season. I am good if they are 4-6.

  • Alaingrvis

    lol

  • TVN

    Lopez is a post up player. He’s actually not that great in the PnR at all. He’s decent, but not anything close to a Tyson Chandler or prime Amar’e Stoudemire.

  • psalm234

    I agree that BrookLin PnR needs time to develop chemistry. That’s what I hope for the last Preseason Game 1.

    But at the same time, I understand what Coach Atkinson is trying to do on the motion offense with less talented guys or rookies. The 2nd or 3rd team needs to be comfortable with the motion offense so they can at least compete with the opposing 2nd team and give the starters some rest.

    This is a very difficult challenge. If Coach Atkinson doesn’t want to burn out the starters and hopes to contend for the playoff, he needs to find out who can form a reliable 2nd team.

  • sws94

    or Ed Davis.

  • cdblue10

    You know me Kauai I’m one of the harshest critique in terms of coaches and players,I just feel ATK has a lot of magic tricks on his sleeves.

  • LW

    I think the ‘this is just preseason’ thinking is becoming wishful thinking. Sure win/lose is not all important for preseason, but starters match-up is. And the Nets starters are not matching up well. Their starter offense looks meek and so is their defense. This is not going to transform well into the regular season.

  • cdblue10

    That’s a pretty good achievement if they will

  • Highlights for tonight by JLin.

  • Yura

    Yea this is all planned out by the mastermind Kenny haha

  • guest

    Ok, then tell coach MDA that it’s preseason and that the rockets shouldn’t be winning because Preseason. We weren’t complaint when Hornets won their preseason games even though there were a lot of new players on the team.

    Winning is just as important to a new team, unless you have been a proven team like GSW and Cleveland, testing out new players and not risking injury. Kenny Atkinson is determined to show his system is going to work. It will only work if he uses the mention offense to get his best shooters in position and the ball to shoot, which he will make adjustments by December to let that happen.

    Otherwise, were going to get what we see.

  • kauaiblue

    yes! lol

  • Yura

    Ty!

  • joy

    We all understand the purpose of the preseason. There’s been stressed by many fans here already. We trust KA and his experiment but it’s normal to get worry when we don’t see the veteran players (or the starters) get to play enough min to develop their chemistry etc. By saying that we’re still optimistic about the Nets’ coming season!

  • psalm234

    yes, and I got a feeling Clifford allowed Kemba who wanted to play a lot of min to shoot for the All-Star (and also fend off Lin). I remember Kemba wanted to come back to start when Lin led the Hornets to beat the Cavs in his 1-game absence

  • kauaiblue

    i trust your instincts cd!

  • heart

    You and I feel the same way. I said it before I was hopeful when I heard KA said the “roster determines the system”, but it seems like a reverse now. Thought he knew Lin’s strengths and be building around it w/ Brook and others, but it’s like Lin and Lopez have to fit into his system w/ other less talented players….

  • psalm234

    FT% could be lack of ritual/concentration.
    Having something like Steve Nash’s FT ritual should help

  • Spyckie

    Sorry to burst your bubble but Brook-Lin PnR is not going to be as effective as you think.

    Brook is a post player. Look at all his highlights. He gets the ball and takes a second to judge the situation. Then he uses his STRENGTH and TOUCH to muscle a shot in with very high finishing percents.

    Lopez as the roll man is a waste because he needs to collect himself before he makes his move. When he collects himself, the defense resets, and it’s a waste of an opportunity. Booker will be a much better roll man because he sets hard picks and rolls hard.

    I can see them using the PnR to get good positioning for Lopez. It’s a more motion oriented post feed that is designed to get Brook the ball free throw distance without a body on him. But Lopez doesn’t roll hard to the basket, so I don’t think we’ll be seeing lobs or free layups from him.

  • kauaiblue

    Jeremy, stop taking charges!

  • Steppen03

    I’m still sticking to my take: 45-55 wins for this Nets team! It hasn’t even begun and we lose some hope ….uh.. C’mon, it’s the rookies out there. JLin7 will get his 35-40min – We are running for playoffs.

  • cdblue10

    If ATK will find some contributions from Hamilton,Scola and Harris 30 games is very possible and they might have a shot for 8 spot.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    part of the motion offense is that you can plug in different players and the system will take care of itself. that’s why the spurs are so beastly every year. guys like gary neal and belinelli look great on the spurs then when they play elsewhere look terrible. sure if you have high bbiq players they can execute the system better, and this is where kenny is trying to go. once we get regular rotations, things will naturally fall into place. we may not win, but we’ll play hard and try to win. the fact that the starters have looked pretty good only means that we’ll be competitive. the system is there to help other guys who are far less talented. this will get guys like harris open for 3’s. get RHJ open for cuts. etc….

    all in all i’ve LIKED what i saw in this preseason. once i see guys like whitehead, cmc, or budinger play that’s game over. kenny is waving the white flag. dont expect a win. but the start of the quarters where the rotation players have played? we’ve either led or were down marginally. we’re competitive and im excited to see the real games. every game vs every opponent will be competitive. i have faith…

  • Briiick

    Lin played like a superstar without breaking a sweat.

  • Also keep in mind Booker, Bennett, Harris, nor Vasquez played tonight. As much flack as Vasquez gets here, he’s still better than Whitehead and Jorge Gutierrez.

    But even with the entire lineup available, it’s tough to beat a defensive-minded Celtics with Horford, Crowder, Bradley, Johnson and then a deep bench of hungry guys.

  • Steppen03

    No, 7-3 . Mark it!

  • Maknusia

    Another practice/trial games to get everyone some rotation minutes, that would lack for them during regular season. I’m fine with it to run the test now rather than later.

    We had 16 players into the rotation today, that clearly means KA is still trying out players and rotations. Will leave the preseason games as it is…

    I trust once the season starts we would see better refinement on plays and rotations

  • joy

    I’m glad we played twice with the Celtics at preseason. Hope they learned lots of lessons from the games.

  • psalm234

    Thanks for your speed, @SpeedofLin:disqus ! ⚡️

    Yes, Vasquez is still the best backup PG in the Nets. We just need to hope for a quick recovery sooner than later.
    I’m still confident that the Nets can steal Game 1 on Oct 26 in Boston. Coach Atkinson hasn’t shown many cards and he knew what BOS will do. If the team plays good defense and hit some 3s, we could be celebrating in 9 days 😀

  • zxcvb

    There’s definitely some gamesmanship going on. I just don’t think Brook looks comfortable.

    Lin looks superb every game. And I’m not worried about RHJ, Booker, Hamilton or Kilpatrick, make or miss they’re looking comfortable. Even Vazquez should be fine once he has his leg strength back.

    But Lopez…I don’t know. Strange to see a vet All-Star looking so off-kilter.

  • grover chang

    I agree. I see no chemistry on court between Brook-Lin. They look awkward in the PNR. Lopez doesn’t roll well. Brook likes it in the post and Lin actually doesn’t like throwing it into the post very well. There is no Brook-Lin. There is Lopez and Jeremy.

  • norah mackenzie

    i think lopez just cannot run and can’t keep up at all. the speed is too fast for him

  • james brown

    evidently, Jlin plays casually without pressure and not minding a loss…he knew what the coach is looking at the team now and he’s cooperating just like making Kill and all of his teammates gets their confidence.

  • zxcvb

    That’s what it looks like right now. Would love to know what Marks is thinking…

  • joy

    I really don’t want to see Lin play heavy minutes in every game as he’ll carry a huge responsibility on him. Plus the schedule looks pretty scary to me. I want to see him play 82 games and stay completely healthy!

  • james brown

    nets has an option of winning this game by playing the starters more, but KA has agenda and priority that’s why a loss is just part of his experimenting the preseason

  • Steppen03

    I’m not worry about it.
    I was MORE worried LAST season with the Hornets but I still predicted them to grab top 5 EC. Look at the Hornets… This Nets team with JL7 CAN compete with that Hornets team.

  • zxcvb

    He’s in total control. I like how he missed his first 2 threes and then made the 3rd with no hesitation.

  • grover chang

    I’m thinking the best way to use Lopez and Jeremy is to separate them. I agree, Lopez wants to post. Lin wants to PNR. Lopez posting stops Lin’s penetration. But Lin’s high pick and roll still keeps Lopez too far from the basket for his comfort. These two do not look good together. Lin with Hamilton was solid. Those two should lead a starting unit to run up the score. Lopez and Foye should run the second unit to slow the ball down and kill the clock.

    Of course I said the same thing about Lin and big Al but toward the end those guys were in rhythm together.

  • psalm234

    yes, I’m not worried since the starters have all + in the +/- department.
    BOS still can’t stop Lin’s penetration. He just needs to watch the foul trouble

    And the 1st preseason game was a lot closer with Booker, Bennet, Harris and Vasquez.
    We’ll definitely can get a surprise road win on Oct 26 with some good D and timely 3s.

    I’m also pleasantly surprised with RHJ’s slashing ability to finish better and draw fouls.
    He will provide the much-needed athleticism. Kilpatrick is also playing better tonight.

  • zxcvb

    Honestly, I’m happy just to see Lin prove himself as a top PG — he’ll easily be able to put up 20/6 on this team. But even when it comes to wins, there are many bad and mediocre teams they can beat to win 30+ games.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I know we’re all upset at the losses.. But I feel like too many people are overreacting to a bunch of preseason games. Yes, the offense and defense looks bad. Yes, we aren’t exactly playing Brook and Lin to their strengths. But c’mon now guys.. just because we lose a couple of preseason games doesn’t mean we should stop doing what we’re working on and go back to what works.

    Just think about it this way. Lin changed his shooting mechanics last season. He didn’t shoot very well. Does that mean he should just ditch what he worked on and revert back to his old shooting form? No. These things take time before they pay out. It’s literally only been 4 preseason game losses. That’s nothing.

    Kenny has also said he’s still unsure of what the lineups should be. That’s understandable because we had the highest number of changes to our roster in the league. He has a handful of people to decide who should be cut and who should be in what lineup. We’ve had key players missing today and for the majority of the games. Booker and Harris. Both are important pieces to our roster.

    I’d only be worried if by the time January comes along and we’re still playing this bad.

  • james brown

    outside of lin and brooks, other players needs to learn the system because it will be their 2nd wind come regular season. Lin will dictate the system when he’s in but during rest, other players playing need to play the system well to cope without Jlin’s presence. That is my take on all of this.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    one thing to look out for: kenny all preseason has played his starters at the start of each quarter (minus the 4th of course). this means in the 2nd quarter, the nets starters are up against the opponets bench. and then the opponents starters go up against our bench to close the half. this is NOT normal. i totally believe kenny is “tanking” in the preseason to evaluate lineups. NO WAY he lets their starters beat up on our bench in real games. or at least i hope so. that’d be highly unconventional….

    the main message is this. we lost a lot in preseason, but kenny isnt trying to win. there is NO evidence that he is. the only time he tried was when we had our rotation guys going up against boston’s 3rd stringers at home. fratello said on the broadcast that it was a statement that we wont lose at home easy. look for a competitive lineup vs the knicks on thurs. we’re home and we’ll defend it till the final buzzer.

  • grover chang

    Why doesn’t Budinger get more time. He seems decisive, smart, and productive.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I like your attitude!

  • Steppen03

    That’s the “very” reason people are low on him. They think he cannot carry the team for an entire season… Are other elite PGs have more endurance than Lin ? I don’t think so. He will get tired but so will the opposing PGs.

  • joy

    Wow! That’d be amazing!

  • norah mackenzie

    I know that it is pre season etc but I hope that kenny is as good a coach as we all think that he is otherwise it will be another wasted season for lin. He deserves better than that more than anyone else. either kenny discards the deadwood sooner rather than later – he needs to make the tough decisions so perhaps we can actually win 1 game in pre season. He should have a better idea of his team now. I will continue to support lin and the nets no matter what but if the aim is to tank then that is definitely unfair. good luck to the nets cos right now lin is the only one doing his job

  • aggressiveplayer

    Nice insight! I’m still positive about this Nets team despite Kenny Atkinson raising a lot of noise amongst the JLin fan community.

  • aggressiveplayer

    There is no way the Nets are tanking. There’s no draft pick incentive to tank and the Celtics (who are in the Nets division) would get a high 1st rounder.

  • guest

    Kemba Walker is closing to try and win preseason game. While Lin and Brook sit yet again without developing in-game chemistry.

  • Maknusia

    No point worrying about it 🙂 Either way, we just need to ride the wave. JL will still prove his worthiness…no worries there…cheers

  • zxcvb

    Team is thin at SF…I would take him over Bennett. He’s been solid in the past but he’s had 2 knee surgeries.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    thats how meniscus tears happen LOL…

  • MKL

    Kenny coach these preseason games very similarly in style to the summer league games. Meaning, he doesn’t place his best players in the game to win. Kenny could have won more summer league games too if he played his best line up more. In the large scheme of things, these are exhibition games. Kenny obviously doesn’t hold value in winning them. Lin looked good, but Nets isn’t deep enough as a team. They need to trade for at least 1 piece before the deadline. I can see Kenny being a great coach with a deep roster, but he will struggle for wins with the current roster because his habit of being too loose with his prospects.

  • norah mackenzie

    if he wants to do that good luck to him.

  • guest

    meniscus tears happen during regular season too.

  • norah mackenzie

    what exactly are you trying to do or say? if the hornets are doing their own thing then good luck to them – this is the Brooklyn nets not the charlotte hornets – what walker does you sd discuss in the relevant thread not here.

  • Maknusia

    different strokes for different folks….its totally different environment and coaching staff from top to bottom, obviously I’m not gonna see/compare on how other teams run their preseason games

  • sws94

    Kemba took a good shot, got blocked. Batum had a really easy shot after a steal to avoid OT. He missed it. Now Charlotte 3rd stringers play Chicago 3rd stringers.

  • psalm234

    I watched Budinger since he played in the U of Arizona.

    He is very gifted physically being a basketball/volleyball player but for some reason he lacked the passion recently and his shooting % was only so-so. Maybe his knee injuries made him a bit tentative.
    The way he can elevate and dunk easily in the game was very impressive

  • InfiniteWisdom

    brooklin pnr and brook post ups WILL happen, but only off of set plays (time outs, in bounds, etc) or when the motion offense breaks down. they dont need to run this in preseason because in a perfect world, they wouldnt need to. the ball would zip around and end up with a good open shot. that’s the ideal. when things break down, then they’ll play pnr to force something. the fact that brook and lin practiced together before training camp means they will run it. but kenny doesnt want to run it to start a possession. it doesnt get everyone involved. motion offense is meant to help the role players… ROLE PLAY! if things break down look for the stars to pnr or brook to post up.

  • MKL

    He seem to lack confidence and his 3pt shooting got worse. His defense is poor at the wing position.

  • TVN

    I feel like he can do 22/8/5.

  • grover chang

    I like Lin, Hamilton, Harris, Scola, Budinger, Kilpatrick, Booker, Bog, Foye, and Bennett = 10.

    I actually, to my surprise do not like Lopez. Slow on defending. Slow on the PNR. And does not rebound well.

  • norah mackenzie

    i know but i really wanted to win this game

  • InfiniteWisdom

    when lin has that look, that fire…. watch out. linsanity time. but these games were all so casual. taking a back seat for sure….

  • joy

    They think he cannot carry the team for an entire season by playing heavy minutes in every game? If that’s the reason then Tony Parker or Steph Curry wont be considered as an elite PG then. Anyway, I trust KA knows the best in terms of how long to play Lin.

  • spiderman

    Beating Boston on the 26th would be sweet (to lose both preseason games only to win 1st regular season opener)

  • InfiniteWisdom

    this game was meaningless. next game? we’re at home, vs cross town rivals, last preseason game, national tv broadcast…. oh it’s on like donkey kong…..

  • guest

    It’s one thing to be a Nets, Lin fan. But it’s good to be objective on the coach’s decision making for the team while developing the players in preseason. To say it’s just preseason is like saying it doesn’t matter what we saw for 5 preseason games because in regular season, they are going to play completely different.

    I’m all in on the Nets and Lin, but it’s ok to have a healthy, objective opinion when you see the two supposed top players not finding real chemistry together yet. Like the Netsdaily mention.

    http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/10/17/13311538/it-s-only-preseason-right-celtics-rout-nets-in-boston-120-99

  • aggressiveplayer

    Don’t worry, head up. I still have strong confidence things will get better as the season progresses along.

  • Vincent

    I wish lin could be the leader of charlottes roster from last year minus kemba

  • spiderman

    I wonder if Lopez’s plantar fascitis is acting up

  • Geoffrey

    no thanks. don’t ever want Lin to play for a coach with no backbone again…

  • Vincent

    Im saying if he let lin play like he did in games 3-5 of the playoffs

  • TVN

    Yup. Coach played politics and it prevented the team from being better.

  • grover chang

    Say no to the rockets. Lin needs the label of starting pg. Even if it is on a less talented team. If he stays on the bench during this prime years then he has already written the narrative that I am a bench player.

    Lin is a starting pg and will show it this season. He is better then half the pgs in this league and this is a pg driven league. So even though I’m down and critical of the flaws on the Nets, I still think they will have a winning record because the Nets have a top 15 point guard.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lopez doesnt roll to the rim hard. he never has. what will happen instead is that lin will draw 2 defenders then pass it back out to brook. if he shoots, then lin gets the assist. if he drives then lin wont. BUT lopez driving on a big that just helped guard lin and has to recover to guard lopez? that’s a good play. brook is surprisingly good driving. he’ll draw a lot of fouls and can straight up beat many big men face up. lin wont get assists with this type of “pnr” (if you even want to call it that), but he’ll be setting up efficient plays….

  • InfiniteWisdom

    batum was hurt. he didnt LET anything happen…

  • grover chang

    I’m watchful of seeing if KA already knows how to be a head coach or will he grow into it. Sometimes people get stuck in their thing and do not expand to become more. I hear over and over again that he is good at development. But does he know what to do with a player that is already developed, like Lin.

    Is KA like my kids teacher that knows how to bring those students who are struggling to the mean but ignores the kid that already knows the “state requirement.”

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lin ALONE can beat teams. we’ve seen it for years. he beat lebron and kyrie. he beat the spurs. why does everybody have no faith?

  • TVN

    While I’m not going to say “alone”, he’s the rare player that has the ability to will his teams to compete at his level. The issue is whether the Nets have guys that can help him. While it doesn’t look pretty now, maybe it’s different in a couple of weeks.

  • joy

    That’s the doubt I have had in mind. We should see if he’s switching his mindset from an “assistant coach’ to “head coach” soon!

  • guest

    The Motion offense should be used to set up the top players on the team. Not for Role Players to dominate the shooting. Wins and Losses is not what concerns me, but the lack of Lin and Brook chemistry for the times they are out on the floor together, not getting Brook-Lin going to a certain degree of efficiency before the regular season and being 1-4 for preseason. Like I said, I believe Kenny will adjust so it will be more Brook-Lin Centric by December. But what were seeing is not a great sign.

  • guest

    Only if he is allowed to dominate and play his game.. He can’t lead the team when the ball doesn’t get back to him, as we’ve seen before on previous teams. Player usage is just as important as playing time and how they let him play.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    bogs is a good shooter/scorer
    RHJ is a good cutter/transition
    booker is a good hustler
    brook is a great scorer
    skil is a good attacker/scorer
    harris is a good shooter
    hamilton is a good shooter

    lin just needs each guy to do what they’re good at for one game, one quarter, one possession to help him win…. the talent on this team is underrated…

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yes of course. but we need to see what happens in the reg season first. this preseason to me it looks like he took a back seat. kenny knows what lin and brook can do. no reason to let them dominate the plays. how can he evaluate the others if lin and brook take up all the possessions? good for winning, bad for evaluating talent…

  • guest

    That’s an MDA run point guard centric team. Lin gets them the ball when they are open but also when they have the upper hand in match up due to poor defense rotations. But this motion offense takes the ball out the Lin’s hands too much. Again, I think Atkinson will adjust because he will realize he has to let Lin lead, instead of everyone touches and shoots.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    if they’re open, shoot. if not, swing it back to your stars to make something happen. i dont want to see lin with the ball, few secs left on clock, 2 defenders draped all over him, and people wide open afraid to shoot…

  • guest

    We’ll see how many games it takes Atkinson to adjust. Like Clifford, finally letting Lin be more of a playmaker after starting the season off worse than their preseason, because he didn’t stick to what was winning games. Lin playmaking! Regardless of preseason or regular season. We’ll see.

  • TVN

    An MDA offense has no posting up. The 5 (center) is the main ball screener with 3 other players (shooters) spaced at the 3 point line. The Nets don’t have the personnel to do that on every play. Brook Lopez is a 20 ppg scorer, mostly as a low post threat. You don’t eliminate his highest efficiency play.

    For similar reasons, Carmelo Anthony, a very efficient post up player, did not fit in MDA’s system.

    The challenge is incorporating the strengths of your two main players along with involving the other players.

    Perhaps the motion may not suit this team with it’s personnel, but coming from the Hawks and Spurs, Atkinson believes in the system, which has been proven to be very efficient. It’s worth a shot at trying to establish.

  • guest

    I’m not knocking what you’re saying. But Lin has a knack of knowing who to get the ball to, or how to get that player open when they are hot. This shoot-when-open mentality is going to lose more games than win, if Brook-Lin is not the main focus. It’s obvious the team is lacking depth.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    depends. i have no problem with harris shooting open 3s. he’s a good shooter. an open 3 for him is a good shot. RHJ going iso? NO no no no no……

  • guest

    Exactly! We are not seeing the Brook-Lin combo within the motion offense as much as we should. I’m not convinced of the efficiency and chemistry they have due to lack of playing time and plays together within the motion offense system in against tough opponents. It would have been great for them to test it against a proven team like the Celtics.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    you dont have enough faith in his teammates. i do. he will draw defenders and he will create opportunities for them. will they miss some? sure, but more often than not, it’ll be a good shot. this will eventually lead to buckets, and buckets leads to wins. have faith. lin cant do it all. he has to delegate.

  • Dorothy

    This is going to be a long season.
    I have the feelings that KA wants to develop role players, he does not want to only rely on Lin and Lopez. He is a new coach, Nets will give him couple years to experiment. Therefore, we will probably see Lin has less control of the ball. If Lopez is not good at PnR as some of us suggested, it is going to be a terrible season for Lin fans.
    I do not care they lost tonight, but it showed how bad those role players are. They did not look like NBA players to be honest.

  • heart

    Look what happened each time Lin is off the floor. The lead swelled up and no time out or strategy changes made by the coaches. The current system is too bland and is not tailored to the strengths of the roster. Every player is required to execute similar duty, but the result is the same. It’s partly due to irregular substitutions, different lineups, undefined roles, lack of bb iq, or court vision, etc. There were many possessions that I thought they had open lane and should drive, yet they passed instead or vice versa. And game pace control is at the mercy of any player instead of the focal point pg. The coaching is also part of the exercise in preseason games too not just for filling out the roster. Hopefully, we’ll see changes and improvement in the regular season or it’s going to be a long season…I’m happy for Lin, but I also want his team to win too. Losing or winning does have an impact on your psyche.

  • guest

    It works beautifully when you have top tier players in each position. Too early to see if other players can match up against NBA teams.

  • guest

    agree!

  • Maknusia

    Its definitely not gonna be a rosy ride, thats for sure…as long as they are putting all the effort and making good plays both X and O, I’m happy……there are alot needed strong pieces are missing for the team to perform at high level. The only way for them to move forward to play cohesively and do have the can win attitude.

  • guest

    You have too much faith that Atkinson will play in a system to give Lin the chance to do that. He can’t do what you say he can do in the Motion offense if he doesn’t get the ball back. Deep down you think Atkinson will go to the MDA offense so Lin can do all of the above you mentioned. It’s the coach’s decision. Not Lin’s inability to do what you say he can do. Lin will get his no matter what because of his ability to play off ball. But for the Nets to be successful, he has to give the ball to Lin & Lopez. Period!

  • Animeciety

    Remember, Lin CHOSE to join the Nets, and the Nets also WANTED him as their guy. Jeremy has said himself that he believes in Atkinson, so if we honestly want to support Lin, we have to support his decisions as well. That means trusting KA’s system.

    It’s not Atkinson’s fault the Nets don’t have legitimate talent, he’s not the GM and Sean Marks only inherited this team recently anyways. He’s doing the best he can with the personnel available, and I can fully understand the decision to implement the motion offense when your team has nobody other than Jeremy Lin who can consistently penetrate.

  • psalm234

    jlin7 IG
    Preseason or not…its a blessing to play this game everyday!! #Brooklynstagram
    https://twitter.com/championjlin/status/788217101534187520

  • joy

    For a moment, I thought this is Lin’s twitter. Lol

  • Maknusia

    agreed

  • guest

    I’m glad Lopez is hitting his 3’s, but to be honest, anyone can pass him the 3 ball if he is open. But not everyone can do what Lin can do to make Lin & Lopez dominate regardless of his teammates. Right now Lopez is not looking good in this offense and we are in preseason game 5 and Kenny hasn’t been able to integrate his strengths in the Motion Offense.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i trust Kenny and the system. i’m just not convinced that Lopez can run the PNR effectively with Lin

  • norah mackenzie

    need to support both the nets and lin

  • Dorothy

    I will always support Lin no matter what.
    None of Lin’s previous team had “talents” (maybe except JHarden lol), but Lin was able to use his strengths to carry the team. Nets is a different story. They want Lin to carry the team, but does not want him to use his strength. That is the problem. Lin can carry the team, if they let him use his strength. I fully understand where KA is coming from to avoid relying on star players only. The team KA wants to build, will take a long time. In the mean time, we Lin fan will have to wait again if the team ever succeeds.

  • zxcvb

    And to play HIS game every day.

    No matter how many games the Nets win, Lin will put up ~20/6 and establish himself as a top PG. That’s Step 1. And then after the season, they can reevaluate the roster to take the next step.

  • Arsenium12 .
  • zxcvb

    Truth. Imagine Lin going full blast 30-40mpg instead of 20mpg because it’s preseason.

  • zxcvb

    Jeremy will have a nice Harvard/college cheering section every Boston game. Tons of Asians/Asian-Americans at top schools, several of which are in the area.

  • guest

    Again, agree! How many preseason highlights do we have with Lopez and Lin combo? ….

  • guest

    Their using him as a shooting guard more than a point guard.

  • joy

    Sure. When Lin chose the Nets, we chose them too. Lin’s proved he’s an elite player. I just hope while KA’s developing the younger players he’ll find the best way to use Lin’s strength. I guess we will find out as the season progress.

  • KHuang

    I see no coaching progress this game from the last nonDetroit preseason games.

  • guest

    The motion offense should be built around Lin and Lopez, not Role Players, then clutch situations use Lin & Lopez combo (utilizing motion offense). Should be the other way.

  • KHuang

    Even better, ABANDON the motion offense that has never worked for ANY winning team in the NBA.

    Institute standard NBA offensive sets that get the ball to Lopez in his standard scoring spots, let the NBA’s best center go to work for 30+ minutes a game!!!

  • grover chang

    Lin holds whatever four other players he has on the court with him. There is no back-up pg. You said Jimmer isn’t available until march. How about Steve Blake. I see he is available. They just need a pg that has court vision and could be an honest threat from outside to run the team while Lin sits.

  • guest

    100% agree. I’m not liking what I’m seeing at all! When we know what Lin can do with this team. Kenny will adjust by December, like Clifford had to. It’s fine to use Motion Offense, but it should be built around the two top players. Lin & Lopez, and I’m not seeing that.

  • KHuang

    But the Hawks and Spurs, they run their offenses directly through their big men like Duncan and Horford.

    They don’t station them at the 3 point line and run no plays for them like the Nets do.

  • KHuang

    Blake ABSOLUTELY would tremendously help.

    He’d be a gigantic improvement over Vasquez’s lazy disinterested brick shooting strolls on both ends of the court.

  • KHuang

    I predicted before this game that there would be no change.

    There will be no change next game either.

  • joy
  • guest

    Were 5 games into preseason. I’m 100% Lin fan. And i’m not seeing any signs of that either. So Sad!

  • Dorothy

    KHuang, I am so concerned. i feel KA does not have the win now mentality, he is looking at the LONG TERM…

  • guest

    What Lin did with old Al Jefferson. How Lin would pass to Al, and Al pop it back to Lin for a quick reset, and Lin dishing it back into Al in the best place so Al could create a great Post up Move! Loved it. That’s what I wish for Lin Lopez combo including PnR sets. You don’t see other players in the league playing like that and the Decision making it takes for Lin to quickly reset the post player’s position. Magical! Lin is a Beast! Give him the ball!

  • Yura

    YEP. 🙂 so true!

  • guest

    Lin rejuvenated Al’s career!

  • KHuang

    Lin’s actually playing less as a preseason starter for the Nets than he did as a preseason reserve last season for Charlotte.

    I’ve not lost sight of that.

  • Yura

    Agreed. Well said.

  • Yura

    He will once the regular season starts.

  • KHuang

    Now you know why I am FREAKING OUT.

    I get flamed as a “troll” for feeling the same way you do.

    By the way, there won’t be a “long term” for Atkinson if he doesn’t start utilizing his stars.

  • KHuang

    And Lopez is WAY MORE TALENTED than Al Jefferson!!!

    Plow the ball into Lopez, let him be the max contract 20 ppg superstar he’s been the last 8 years!!!

    If the Nets are gonna lose, lose with Lin and Lopez firing tons of good shots.

    Don’t lose with the Nets new franchise player in Luis Scola and the Nets new franchise PG in Greivis Vasquez playing star roles and hucking bricks while Lin and Lopez helplessly sit on the bench as Atkinson scowls at them for shooting too much!!!

  • KHuang

    Motion offense DOES NOT WORK in the NBA.

    I’ve been watching the NBA for decades and that’s been the case, every single time.

    Bad teams use motion offense because the coaches lack the coaching skill to install actual plays. Winning teams don’t use motion offense.

  • Dorothy

    I think KA will have a longer leash 1) the GM is from Spurs system 2) Nets owner is too cheap to fire coach before term ends.

  • Vincent

    what do you suggest more pnr with brook and lopez?

  • guest

    That’s how I’m seeing it. I’m not content with Lin just being a starter on a Losing team. Even in preseason. If other teams are playing their 2nd or 3rd team vs our 2nd or 3rd team, and were losing preseason games. That’s coaching. Everyone here says we have the talent. So then, it’s about coaching!

  • Vincent

    what about the hawks and the spurs then?

  • Vincent

    yes its the lineups and the plays they are trying to use.. they cant shoot as many 3s as they are doing with rhj, booker, lopez and foye on the floor with jlin

  • Vincent

    atleast kenny set some screens for lin this game lol

  • Dorothy

    I copied from KHuang below:
    “But the Hawks and Spurs, they run their offenses directly through their big men like Duncan and Horford.

    They don’t station them at the 3 point line and run no plays for them like the Nets do.”

  • Vincent

    lol the nets run NO plays for their players you are very correct.. and the spurs and hawks do I agree 100

  • guest

    Can’t agree with you more. We are not set up as a three point dominant team, especially if we don’t have any other plays perfected, which takes practice to run those plays just like practicing the motion offense. How much more practice does it take to take open three’s and miss regardless of what system it is. They are taking way too many three’s without top tier three point shooters. If it wasn’t for Lin’s individual drives into the pain; without the motion offense, this team is a disaster!

  • guest

    Egoless, teammates also means letting the top players play their game because it’s best for the team. Not so they can take as many bad, inefficient shots.

  • Vincent

    bog would be nice to have in starting line up to space the floor a little bit

  • aggressiveplayer

    Can’t agree with you more.

  • aggressiveplayer

    My thoughts on the situation:

    Right now I highly agree with what Kenny is doing. He’s scouting for potential lineups to start/rotate as well as lineups in case someone is injured. All those guys on Twitter are probably bashing on KA and how he isn’t using Brook and Lin with their bread and butter PnR but that’s because they don’t understand that this is BIGGER than that.
    Like you said, this team doesn’t have a lot of talent. The way to fix that is to give others a chance to get more involved and to develop/improve themselves with more playing time/opportunities. This system is also good because we don’t rely on one specific technique. We’re working on all parts of the game so that we can hit a team in just about any way. Obviously this is going to require players to get outside of their comfort zone, but it’s to help elevate the skill of the less talented and it’s going to take some time and probably some adjustments. It also won’t rely on Brook and Lin so heavily which can be very physically and mentally taxing for them.
    People are complaining that oh, we don’t have the personnel to run the motion offense because no one can hit the 3 or drive or whatever. But just imagine that all of these guys keep committing to the plan and keep working on their game and they DO start nailing the boards. The system Kenny developed has just become twice as deadly as any pure Brook-Lin PnR.

  • norah mackenzie

    at least we didnt lose like the clippers did –

  • guest

    It’s one thing to work on the Motion Offense to get players acclimated, but when your not integrating the, BrookLin Engine which is the core of the team, then their not going anywhere. I’m not opposed to Kenny scouting potential lineups, but to do that without the BrookLin team, is going nowhere. When the season starts off slow, people will wonder why it’s not working, until Atkinson starts integrating Lin and Lopez in the beginning, like he should have been doing in the Pre Season! Get off the fact we are being objective. It’s not a bash on KA and not using Brook & Lin in PnR, but their not using them together at all! Right now Lin is using Lopez as an unexpected screen to drive to the pain, which Lin can do with anyone! Quit saying we are bashing Atkinson because he is not using Lopez and Lin in PnR only! That is not what we are saying!

  • grover chang

    I pray the peace of Christ is still with Lin as it was last season. No matter the outcome, may he still enjoy his time according the plan God has designed for him. May the new element of being a starter be a blessing and not place unnecessary stress that would take away the joy he found again as a NBA player.

  • guest

    We wanted Lin on this Team because he is an All Star player that can lead the team. Not just a cog in a system and occasionally use him in clutch situations. Bogus argument.

  • joy

    Anybody know if Lin will play the last preseason game or not?

  • aggressiveplayer

    My mistake, but that’s just the majority of what I’ve gotten from a mix of all the comments bashing on KA from Reddit and other social media sites. With that aside, I do think that Kenny will begin to use the Brook-Lin PnR soon enough. But right now I’m not too worried because the PnR shouldn’t really be too hard of a thing to establish/build chemistry off of. I know for a fact that Lin and Lopez have already talked about it and tried getting to know each other’s spots/playstyles. It’s much harder to get used to the motion offense and the motion offense a more important building block.

  • Rick James

    if lin is allowed to play 48 minutes a game then maybe you would be right. Obviously thats not the case. If he plays 32mpg, that leaves 16 minutes to the 2nd/3rd unit to manage. I don’t have that much faith in the nets.

    Not to mention some of the awful misses where lin passed it to a player 2 ft from the net and the player misses an easy layup. Another really really bad point about this team is the defense. Celtics scored 120 points on the nets tonight, while playing their 3rd unit for most of the night!!

  • guest

    There is more ways to use Brook-Lin that PnR. That is all I’m saying. Lopez is an All-Star center. Any other team in the NBA uses their All-Star player in preseason! Lin is an All-Star player. He is only getting his because of his ability to play off ball right now. But not truly as a point guard.

  • Dorothy

    From what I read below, Lopez is a post up guy, he is not even good at PnR 🙁

  • aggressiveplayer

    Yes, but remember that KA is trying to get both Lin and Brook to learn the system. He probably already knows that Brook and Lin can dominate in their respective ways. I think once the season actually starts, we’ll see a more adjusted system.

  • guest

    Not if other players can’t play correctly around them. Especially when it comes to spacing. 5 players are on the floor, not just Lin and Lopez. I’m confident in Lins and the Nets ability as a team, only if they are coached correctly. Like Lin says, they are very small room for errors. That means playing to their strengths. Other teammates have to see how they will work together so they can make them better, not get in the way and clog the paint or make errant passes because they can’t play make.

  • aggressiveplayer

    He’s not necessarily not good at the PnR, I think he can still execute the PnR but will probably need some adjustments.

  • sws94

    Lin is playing like Lin. This is Lin now. It’s not MDA era where Lin had the ball so much. Lin now is very comfortable playing off-ball, and sharing handling responsibilities with other players. That’s now his style of point guard. There are times when Lin will control the ball more, but other times he won’t. I don’t think it’s KA doing anything with Lin more than the player he’s developed into. This is Lin, 2016.

    It’s very early. It’s not even the regular season yet. This team will take time to get to learn each other as players. The process has to proceed, it can’t be rushed. It’ll take the amount of time necessary for this to occur.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Teammates will have to see how they work together, but Kenny has already mentioned that right now he doesn’t even know what the finalized lineups will be. One step at a time.

  • zxcvb

    Kenny hasn’t rested anyone for more than 1 game, so I think it’s safe to assume he’ll play.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Yes I agree. This is 2016 Lin. Lin seems to have improved his shot, so he can be effective without being as ball-dominant as during Linsanity. It might not be as fun to watch for some people but Lin can still take over a game, just in a different fashion.

  • guest

    Missing the point totally! But for now we will see.

  • sws94

    Right. He’s not going to roll hard all the way to the rim like some guys. He’ll set picks and find a place to do give and go’s or his own moves. The aim is to execute the offense to get the ball in the bucket and have him be a threat. Lin is a threat to hit anyone on the court, or score himself. The baskets should come out of judicious and sensible ball movement. Not much of that is going on, that’s why there are preseason games. But there are only 6 of them, probably not enough to get this complex offense in gear.

  • guest

    Lin will close out games, and guess what, he’ll be winning and Not Because of the Motion Offense!

  • joy

    Whatever the challenges lie ahead, I’m sure Lin’s ready to face it because he’s set his mindset on the right direction. Cheers.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Yea, I still have faith but I’ll join you guys if by January we’re still playing like this.

  • joy

    Good. I look forward to see him play with the Knicks.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    truer words have never been spoken. we’ve seen the non postup guys play great pnr with Lin right off the gate (even during preseason).. Tyson, Ed Davis, Hamilton. and then there’s those postup guys that just can’t get it right.. Howard, Big Al, Kaminsky, Lopez

  • aggressiveplayer

    I must agree that that is a worrisome trend though..

  • TVN

    The Clippers didn’t play Paul, Griffin, or Jordan.

  • Maknusia

    He has indeed one strong mindset!

  • guest

    They can’t be good if they can’t practice it. Lopez has potential to be be a great PnR player. Just don’t think he had an effective guard as a partner who can beat double teams, and traps.
    And I know it’s preseason blah blah., but to not even see one successful ally oop or PnR, very disappointing. Teams know how to defend it because other teams do it. So to say he is hiding PnR until regular season is ridiculous!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    Deron Williams and Devon Harris are known to be good pnr point guards..

  • psalm234

    I certainly understand Coach Atkinson’s emphasis on building a team identify through the motion offense because of the lack of talent surrounding Brook Lopez and JLin. Noone knows how successful it will be but one thing for sure is it will help the starters to be injured because of overuse.

    While Lin fans and Nets fans share a valid concern that we want the dynamics of Brook-Lin PnR to be practiced and executed to build chemistry, we can only hope that Coach Atkinson will do what is right to incorporate them later in the early season because it is the most lethal weapon in late-game situation. Perhaps there is not enough time in 6 preseason games to accomplish all the objectives to practice motion offense, defense, PnR while evaluating who will make the final 15-man roster.

    JLin chose the Nets because of his close relationship with Coach Atkinson so I would trust him on his judgment. He chose the Hornets last season and it paid off for him to find his own team. I’ll definitely do the same this season. I hope most Lin fans would do the same because there isn’t a better situation around the league who will trust Lin as the main leader(s) of the team.

    It’s definitely hard to be patient as all Lin fans all want JLin to succeed so desperately after experiencing tough 4 seasons.

  • guest

    And I’ve seen highlights of them giving Lopez Alley Oops! Lopez is a 7ft athletic center. Maybe a little slow footed, but Lin can get him the ball where he needs it. But they still have to practice it for chemistry and timing.

  • guest

    Look at Asik and his success. Lopez is way more athletic than Asik. That’s why I’m so hopeful, but not if Kenny keeps this up.

  • Sueki

    i know its pre-season but after watching all their games and their players up till now I can conclude that the Nets’ starters could barely compete with the average teams but the bench players would be one of the worst of all teams.

  • psalm234

    I certainly understand Coach Atkinson’s emphasis on building a team identify through the motion offense because of the lack of talent surrounding Brook Lopez and JLin. Noone knows how successful it will be but one thing for sure is it will help prevent the starters from being injured because of overuse.

    While Lin fans and Nets fans share a valid concern that we want the dynamics of Brook-Lin PnR to be practiced and executed to build chemistry, we can only hope that Coach Atkinson will do what is right to incorporate them later in the early season because it is the most lethal weapon in late-game situation. Perhaps there is not enough time in 6 preseason games to accomplish all the objectives to practice motion offense, defense, PnR while evaluating who will make the final 15-man roster.

    JLin chose the Nets because of his close relationship with Coach Atkinson so I would trust him on his judgment. He chose the Hornets last season and it paid off for him to find his own team. I’ll definitely do the same this season. I hope most Lin fans would do the same because there isn’t a better situation around the league who will trust Lin as the main leader(s) of the team.

    It’s definitely hard to be patient as all Lin fans all want JLin to succeed so desperately after experiencing tough 4 seasons.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    pretty much every big can alley-oop. playing pnr effectively is a whole different thing. sure, Lopez may get it someday but it’s gonna be a looong way to go and he’s just gonna revert to his back to the basket postup moves most of the time. if and when that happens, the Nets will be just like Nets of previous years. Lin’s strong point (pnr) will be wasted

  • aggressiveplayer

    Very good point. I think it’s highly likely there just is not enough time to establish everything. Worse case is we’ll have to sacrifice some season games to get everything settled, but that’s fine if we see improved gameplay for every game onwards. Don’t forget, Lin is at the very least on a two year contract, so he’ll be profiting from the work he put in in the next season as well.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i would suggest (i know, ain’t gonna happen) moving Lopez to the bench and let him play post up all he want. Hamilton pnr with Lin in the 1st unit. problem solved

  • InfiniteWisdom

    LOL they were leading boston in the 1st half of the first preseason game. boston the supposed 2nd or 3rd best team in the east. obviously they lost when they didnt start lin with the starters in the 3rd quarter….

  • psalm234

    ‏@dartboard_trade
    JLin through 4 preseason games:
    15.5 PPG (21.8 mins)
    60.6% FG%
    47.1% 3PT%
    86.7% FT% (4.5 FTA/gm)
    4.5 APG
    2.5 RPG
    1.25 SPG
    2.5 TOPG
    #hesready
    https://twitter.com/dartboard_trade/status/788242756896382976

  • InfiniteWisdom

    if the role players dont get touches, then the defense will just key in on lopez and lin. 2 vs 5 every possession. cmon guys this is unrealistic…. like i said before, lin looks to be taking a backseat this preseason. even when he does get the ball back he’s been moving the ball around. he could easily attack, call a pick, etc. but he hasnt. im sure kenny has told him to let the others get a chance. how else to evaluate the role players when you dont give them a role to play?

  • Maknusia

    I dont think we could compare 2 different play set players into a formula and say, obviously player B should play better given the same play.

    Sometimes, its easy to teach a less talented player compared to an established player

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    RHJ, your role is to grab all the rebounds and play excellent defense. don’t do what Durant suggest

  • Maknusia

    Well said….just to add from my perspective….when I put up a new team with fresh and novice players, I would just do that during practice, leave the key players out and give a clean sheet to the rest of the group to catch and grab the available spot. It gives them confidence that its up to them to perform and as the coach, I dont give preference one against the other.

    Add on to it, it also do give better perspective, to know each other well. They need to play as a team to gain the spot. Giving a clean sheet to start over to these players is very important to gain trust with coach staff and each other

  • InfiniteWisdom

    rhj needs to attack and shoot open mid range shots. cutting with out the ball will be his major strength imo. lin will find him if he moves. look at tonight after the big dunk, rhj hustled down the court and lin found him for the return dunk. THAT’S what i want to see. lin will do his job if rhj does his… role players having roles and doing them…

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    those too. i just don’t want him to go one on one like he did in previous games

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yeah those isos were…ugh… and it wasnt just once or twice…. im sure kenny told him to stop that cuz he played much better the next game. attacked in non iso situations and drew some fouls.

  • Spyckie

    To be very fair, I think KA is focusing his efforts on developing motion defense more than motion offense…

  • spiderman

    Too early to say, but Lopez may literally be flat-footed

  • psalm234

    In watching Kenny Atkinson’s lineup experiments, do you think he has accomplished those objectives to give equal opportunities to the non-key players to compete within the established motion offense system so it’s clear who should make it to the final 15-man roster and who should go to the D-League?

    I’m curious how and when Coach Atkinson will determine the final roster.
    IMO he certainly has given plenty of PT to most players

  • joy
  • Spyckie

    Notes and observations on the Nets after the game:

    1 – The biggest hole is a mobile shot blocker and rebounder, by far. CMC may have the tools one day but that’s a long way off.
    2 – If RHJ develops some sort of offense, he will be really fun to root for. He can have high impact in a game with his tenacity.
    3 – Skil is surprisingly raw. He plays like a rookie. This is GOOD because he can improve a lot in a short amount of time. He got burned defending the 2 and was the main weak link on defense in the first quarter. However, he did show some offensive ability tonight.
    4 – Bog – I have no idea what the KA is doing with Bog. Throwing him with 3rd stringers? I think maybe it’s just to let him play ball and get used to being out on the court. He did not practice much with the main team, I’m kind of worried about his usage during regular season.
    5 – I think Brook needs to be more deliberate and get into his action quicker. This whole team needs this.
    6 – I missed seeing Harris and Booker play. That’s a good sign.
    7 – I didn’t miss Vasquez playing, haha.

  • occupatio

    skl is 27 yrs old. he’s hardly young anymore. his biggest weakness besides being a not-good finisher, is that he doesnt know how to cut. harris and RHJ are both much better at cutting. skil will remain a below-average player until he learns to cut, especially since he has to play besides bogs who will have the ball a lot.

    RHJ is growing on me. he is a good slasher, and has the tools to get separation in the paint and finish. his jumpers mostly come up short instead of being off to the side, so there is hope for his outside shot. (i think the main problem with his shot is that his hips and knees contract much earlier than his release, so his jumpshot loses the power coming from his legs. the situation with his jumper is probably related to his unusally long wingspan. he should model himself on kawhi who also has really long arms.)

    as for bogs, asking him to create by himself from the wing really is not his forte. he cannot get all the way to the rim on a layup and will at best stop halfway for a pull-up jumper. he’s a good player, but it’s not easy hitting that shot efficiently. they need to be running bogs around screens, not dump the ball to him at the wing.

  • psalm234

    Phew, it’s ‘Pace’.
    For a second, I thought it was ‘Pain’ as in growing pain 😅

    My prediction is Coach Atkinson would be forced to put the ball in JLin’s hands in the last 5 min of the game and have him call whatever plays he likes in order to win. The young players would find more difficulty to make proper read at crunch time

    It made Thaddeus Young expendable, and it’s making Lopez adjust. It’s also taken the ball out of the hands of Lopez and point guard Jeremy Lin (13 points and five assists), who have yet to run many pick-and-rolls as the Nets install their new system and put more onus on the other players to make quick reads and decisions on the fly.

    It hasn’t kicked in yet. Sean Kilpatrick was the leading scorer with 15 points but Scola and Isaiah Whitehead shot just 1 of 6 each while Bojan Bogdanovic was minus-35 in just 21 minutes.

    “Definitely. That motion offense, it’s going to be a lot of reads [by others],” Lin said. “If they don’t stop me and I have the ball in my hands I’m going to shoot it; I’m going to go. And if they do, I’m getting it out to hopefully the open man and from there it just flows.”

  • Maknusia

    Remember he sis mention prior to preseason, there are positions to be grabbed and it applies to all (except BrookLin); and there was a followup interview from the players who were brought from the D-League; were they mentioned this players are showing improvement and out there to prove themselves.

    The problem here is, it aint easy for any coach, before players do not perform consistently hence at times coaches had to rely on gut feelings based on how they perceived these players based on work ethics and player background (historical)….I’m pretty sure there are alot of discussion going behind the door and tape reviews.

    The coaching staff have limited time and games they they can throw these players in to decide. I dont know who will be cut at this point, because we really dont know, what the coaching staff is looking for in specific for the system in place.

    So far, I have only seen the good things that Kenny is trying to instill…so lets see if it bare fruits once the season starts….obviously there are going to be some adjustments here and there…thats given

  • joy

    Haha, ‘pain’ is definitely part of it too when one wants to be better and stronger. I look forward to see this mutual-trust between Lin and KA grow as the season continues. And when KA doesn’t know what to do, give the ball to Lin is absolutely the best strategy! Lol

  • joy

    When asked about what he (Lin) would want others to say about the Nets when the season is over, the 6-foot-3 guard was succinct in his response.
    “In a perfect world, they would say we play hard; that’s number one,” Lin said. “They (Nets) play unselfish. That to me would be the ultimate compliment.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3d6f71466257241a495f219c67fac4c24e520a3453dd960dcc22ff4090ecb5fb.png

    http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/jeremy-lin-embracing-leadership-role-brooklyn-nets

  • Spyckie

    True skil is not young. He is not going to get any tools he doesn’t already have, but I think he a lot of his tendencies on the court can be more efficient. That’s the improvement I’m looking for.

  • Maknusia

    too much Naruto?!!! The Pain character!

  • Spyckie

    Motion offense is a lot about reading what the defense gives you.

    There was this one play where Lin/Brook did PnR and Lin got double teamed. He looked to Brook but then ended up passing it to Hamilton, who swished a 3. Lin knows how to read and react appropriately to what the defense is giving. He’s been playing that way for quite some time. No one else on the Nets has much practice on it, and it shows.

    Read and react is really difficult and is not beginner friendly. This is because if you don’t read correctly or if you don’t react quickly, you “reset” – you lose your offensive advantage. Speed, strength, size, and length are permanent offensive advantages, and can’t be lost. But neither can they be created. An open corner 3, however, can be created, but can also be lost by a slow play or bad pass.

    Timings and coordination is also not easy to pull off. Cuts need good timing from the players as well as good read from the ball handler in order to succeed.

    It will take a lot of time for our players (think Brook, RHJ, Skil, Bog, Harris) to learn read and react. I think the next 30 games will be really tough to watch. Lin needs to play very, very well for the Nets – not only for them to remain competitive, but to give everyone else plenty of tape to study and learn from.

  • occupatio

    he has nice arc on his jumper. problem is that with the 2nd unit and vasquez, i dont think they are going to be generating many open looks for him.

    he is listed as 6′ 4” but he looks smaller than that to me. he’s on the small side for a SG.
    i hope he can finish better. it’s worth nothing that thus far, nets have played against good rim protectors in drummond and whiteside and porzingis, and boston team D is very good. so skil will probably look better against other teams.

    he lost a lot of mass compared to last year. i hope it translates to better finishing.

  • joy

    Thanks for your comments. Those are very good points. I’m educated.
    This season is going to test everyone’s patience indeed. Lin needs more God’s grace and his fans support for sure.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Thanks for the insight. Looks like what you’re saying aligns directly with my assessment that we should wait until January to truly judge the games.

  • Sueki

    they can’t depend too much on Lin (though I am happy for LIN). Lin had never been a starter before and I worry about his consistency for the whole long season…

  • Maknusia

    I think everyone still getting a feel on things that Kenny is preaching….pretty sure they will get the hang of it as the season progress on how to move, when to cut, where to move, and bait move as well to draw defenders.

    Lin would be helping them directing on the shuffle, he is really good at it.

  • TTNN

    Both him and Foye looks shorter than Lin to me. Was wondering whether Lin looks taller with his ponytail or not.

  • james brown

    he was the starting PG during Linsanity, a starter his first year with houston, starter with lakers, start somehow with hornets when KW is out…..? so when is that ” LIN had never been a starter before” statement coming from?

    and again, consistency? hope all players in the NBA plays consistently great for the whole season…

    and as follower of JLIN, i believe, that the Nets MUST DEPEND on Lin because he is one of the pillars of this team.

    just curious.LOL!

  • james brown

    and when lin left the court the 3rd, boston lead dwindled just 2 points where coach of Boston sound the panic button by calling 2 quick time outs to break what seeming impending run by the nets .

  • Joe what do you know

    My respect to Lin deepens with each word he says.

  • occupatio

    agree skil looks shorter than lin.
    with foye, i think his proportions make him look shorter than he really is.

  • joy

    Can’t say that better!

  • norah mackenzie

    oops my bad

  • Maknusia

    will see…they arent wrong, thats how it looks on paper…..but we know that is a Sanity factor that many are missing

  • 1mtoldman

    my updated preseason to date (minimum 4 games played) “scoring efficiency quotient” top 10 overall: cousins, lin, klay thompson, durant, mike conley, harden, hassan whiteside, blake griffin, jusif nurkic, kawhi leonard (in that order 1 to 10)

    front court top 5: cousins, durant, whiteside, griffin, nurkic
    backcourt top 5: lin, thompson, conley, harden, devin booker

    3rd rating thru preseason as has progressed lin has been #1 among backcourt players every time.

    its a measure of points as function of minues and fga’s (more or less) including for consideration only the leading points per game scorers.

    seems a useful tool.

    even if preseason is considered “meaningless” it would be instructive i would think to see where lin fits in thus far with some of the considered “stars”.

    based on this info i would look for good seasons from as well as lin: conley (who tho perhaps incidentally overpaid at the moment has been still under-rated historically), nurkic (who showed a lot last year) and booker (pre-season scoring leader, tho his efficiency is still not great tho improving).

    along with the more “assumed stars” listed herein.

  • 1mtoldman

    correct. lin has actually started almost half of the games hes played in his career and has played 28 minutes or more (ie. spurs starter minutes) for more than two full seasons of nba games in his time in the league.

    only someone who has actually not followed lins career and is just repeating the “false narrative” that lin has never been a starter would….well state that “lin had never been a starter before”.

    and as to yer other point: anyone who watched the preseason games so far based on just the eyeball evidence of those games would have to concur that the nets “must depend” on lin. because when lin is not in. it generally not pretty thus far.

  • Acbc

    Lol

  • heart

    I thought Lin was brilliant on that play bc he passed to the open Hamilton instead of Brook who was defended tightly even though that “motion play” was meant for Brook. Even the commentator mentioned that pass was meant for Brook IIRC. It starts out w/ high bb iq and court vision, but Not everyone on the the court have them to make the right play/pass. Perhaps some of them are being asked to do too much but lack the talents to carry out… So many times I saw open lane that they could drive straight for a basket, but instead they turn around and pass right into traffic. It’s like an old habit that they can’t break bc they’re stuck in the pattern of the system… Passing non-stop burns up the clock and when the pass ends up w/ a player who has not anticipate your pass… Sigh!!!

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  • CJSHYY

    One more to go… so on Thu vs NYK, coach finally will play his real lineup then….?

  • heart

    KA should have done this sooner to get stable roster rotation and consistent PT for core players…

  • Acbc

    PTSD is rampant on this site. Complaining about losing is so shortsighted. Do you all remember how Lin played a lot in preseason last year for Hornets and they won 7-1? What happened was that we were predicting that Hornets would win 8 out of the first 10 games. Lol, Lin never started even when injuries hit and PJ Hairston started ( where’s he now?).

    Only fools win for the sake of winning. Good poker players love fools like that. They get sucked in soooo easily. Pop did that to Mchale by losing all 4 regular season games to the Rox. Then stomped on them in playoffs 4 straight. Pop uses regular season almost like preseason. He only cares about positioning himself for playoff runs and not records. WHAT HAPPENED TO GSW WARRIORS LAST YEAR IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE STUPIDITY OF WINNING EVERYTHING IN REGUKAR SEASON. THEY WON THE BATTLE AND LOST THE WAR. GUYS LIKE CURRY AND BOGAT GOT INJURE CHASING MEANINGLESS WINS. NO ONE REMEMBERS REGULAR SEASON RECORDS AND EVEN LESS PRESEASON RECORDS.

  • Yura

    Agreed

  • KHuang

    But the Hornets ABANDONED their winning rotation from preseason after Clifford got sick of Lin outplaying Kemba Walker.

    I doubt that Atkinson changes anything come the regular season.

  • KHuang

    Budinger is the one guy I’m not sure is a good waiver cut, but so be it.

  • HVJoy
  • KHuang

    Also remember that motion offense DOES NOT WIN in the NBA.

  • KHuang

    Great post.

    Kilpatrick is essentially a rookie, he is new to the NBA having arrived to the Nets less than a year ago. But he has a lot of positivity in his game and his defense will tighten up with more minutes.

  • KHuang

    That’s not working either.

  • KHuang

    I suggested a day ago that Atkinson install traditional sets that run their offense through the center, similar to what the Hawks and spurs used.

  • KHuang

    Not necessarily.

    A pissed off Brook Lopez could get a whole lot of people fired.

  • Yura

    Thanks!!

  • KHuang

    At least Yogi is not waived yet.

    The Nets really need to retain Yogi as insurance for when Greivis Vasquez goes down due to a season ending injury.

  • KHuang

    I do like the Hamilton Lopez starting lineup – it gave the starters a fighting chance inside.

    Too bad they only played 18 minutes.

  • norah mackenzie

    either we support lin and the nets or we don’t . i know that it is tough as heck but I vote for sticking with lin etc

  • norah mackenzie

    but i do understand what you all mean.

  • takeme2cruz

    Lin wasn’t the starter because the dirty politic kicked in not Cliff’s strategy.

  • Arsenium12 .

    This is Budinger’s eighth year in the league, 3 years with Houston, 3 with Minnesota, and then he bounced around last year (Indianapolis and Phoenix). He had 3 decent years (salary-wise) with Minnesota ($5 M/year). He’s had knee problems (see: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/timberwolves-chase-budinger-indefinitely-following-surgery-remove-torn-172514091–nba.html ).

  • KHuang

    I STILL support Atkinson and the Nets.

    Until the regular season begins, I can voice my disagreement but my support remains unchanged.

    As long as Atkinson gets the players to play to the maximum of their abilities, I’m good. That’s what I am looking forward to seeing soon.

  • KHuang

    If Draymond Green hadn’t kicked himself out by throwing that suicidal macho punch, the Warriors would EASILY have won the title over that badly overmatched Cleveland team.

  • TVN

    The front office decides that type of thing with some input from the coach.

  • TVN

    So many stupid fans on these Lin sites. Makes it unreadable. It’s as if they’ve only been following the sport very recently.

  • norah mackenzie

    yeah i just started watching the matches yesterday how did you know?

  • Vincent

    Lol interesting how things work right. Lin badly outplayed walker and is benched for that. Beverley doesnt play better than lin but has “better stats in playoffs of 2013 than lin cuz lin was injured and he gets to start over him. Seems fair

  • heart

    Of course. Everything has to run through management.

  • Chris B.

    Also add Bogut injury too. He was their defensive anchor inside.

  • heart

    To make it clear, I am not “BASHING” Atkinson as you have suggested and it’s not “PURE STUPIDITY” by using critical thinking and making my voice/opinion heard! Pointing out my concerns SHOULD NOT BE DEEMED AS NOT supporting Atkinson or players or management! It’s not ONE or The Other. I want to see Nets as a team get better for Lin’s sake and that include the Coaching by Atkinson!

  • heart

    Please Understand: Giving opinions or pointing out concerns or analyzing the current situation SHOULD NOT BE DEEMED AS “BASHING” or NOT supporting Atkinson, management or players, like some have suggested!

  • sws94

    I’m reading the biggest complaint here is KA not building the Lopez/Lin chemistry. Last season had 8 preseason games, this preseason only has 6 games. So, it’s pretty much done. And the team looked worse last night than they did in previous games. In a way, that’s ok. Because it was against Boston who prepared more for this game than the previous and are one of the best teams in the east and it was mostly 3rd stringers who Boston took advantage of. KA was definitely still experimenting and seeing who makes the cut and who doesn’t. I thought Lin played his worse game of the preseason, but played pretty well. Just not as composed, mostly in the first quarter, as he’s been. But after the first quarter he played well. However, I don’t think Lopez has really played well in any game. I’m hoping he flicks a switch next week in the regular season opener and onward, because he’s looked so-so. I also want to see some Lin football passes and lobs, the teams needs to run because if someone is open ahead of their defender, Lin will get the ball to them. Overall, RHJ and others have a long way to go offensively and defensively, as much as RHJ’s defense is touted. It’ll take time.

  • Spot

    OMG, Cavs lost lots of these matches, does it mean they’ll barely reach the playoff?

    C’mon, let’s wait the 1st game without worrying too much. I think lots of you will be surprised then.

  • Chris B.

    Folks, stop obsessing over the offense deficiency. It’s the defense and rebound that is the major problem. Through 5 games, Nets are 28th in defense just above Pelicans and Houston. They are allowing 110 points per game with 47.8% allowed from 2 and 34.5% from 3’s. Just by contrast, Hawks are 5th with 95.0 points, 41.6% and 22.8%. KA came from the Hawks organization. You know where I am getting at. As for rebounding, Nets are the worst with a -10.4 margin. All the great teams play good defense, and that should be their focus. Stop obsessing over offense. With Jeremy as a bailout option when they need points, I am sure they will do well offensively. Nets desperately need to play better individual and team defense.

  • Sesshie

    It’s not time to press the panic button yet. We should temper our expectations and have lots of patience for the team. This is the opportunity JLin was supposed to have when he signed onto the rockets as a leader of a bunch of newbies before the signing of harden. The only important factor is him having a coach and front office that truly believes in him. JLin will figure out a way to win with the personnel he is dealt with.

  • BobbyH

    Don’t forget the number in preseason is skewed toward teams experimenting lineups and playing with non-rotations players. But I agree that defense and rebound should be 2 main focus that Nets should address.

    Yet, I believe it will get better as more games played.

  • Chris B.

    Yes and No. I think more so with Nets because there are more new faces, but other teams are experimenting with different lineups as well. The familiar suspects that we think are good defensive teams like Spurs, Hawks, Boston and Utah are at the top of the list. As we have seen with Boston the last 2 games, they also went very deep into their bench as well, so that can’t be an excuse for Nets either.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Nets to Jeremy : “You’ll get a chance to be you” …
    ________
    https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/788365458089082880

  • guest

    The only reason I’m not worried, is because Atkinson will Lean on Lin & Lopez, eventually after the failed experiments with this roster, like all NBA coaches do when they want to win.

  • HVJoy

    Lin P5 postgame interview – Note: the video has a misleading title 🙂
    .

  • TVN

    Exactly. The offense will improve as the team gets more familiar with each other. People forget that this is essentially a brand new team. Only Lopez and Bog played significant minutes last season. It takes time to build chemistry.

    The defense will be okay with the starters, IMO. Atkinson will start their best defensive lineup, which includes Booker, who is the best fit on this roster next to Lopez.

  • heart

    @mark 2:00, the reporter asked Lin: “…Talking to team before you signed…How did they proposed how they’d want to utilize you on the offense?”
    Lin replied: “They just want to let me go… I was not looking for anything complicated… I just want to be myself…trust in my instincts…trust in my talents…basically that was the pitch was about.”
    — So, please let Lin play to his strengths and let him be himself! Let him play his ‘brand of basket ball’!

  • KHuang

    Most NBA players are listed 2-3 inches taller than they actually measure as.

    The craziest overestimation of a player’s height I saw was Byron Houston in the 90s – he was listed at 6’9″ but measured out at 6’3″!

    Lin himself should be listed at 6’4″, as he was combine measured at 6’3 1/2″ without shoes.

  • KHuang

    Excellent post, and I isagree respectfully.

    The Nets bench is not putting enough pressure on teams offensively, and it’s causing opponents to rest defensively so that they can score wildly.

    Other than Lopez not playing enough, I have no issues with the starters as long as Lin is out there protecting them. But the bench PG situation has been a disaster.

    I accept Whitehead playing like the clueless rookie that he is, no complaint there.

    But Vasquez? He’s gotta raise his game dramatically from what it has been all preseason. Strolling up and down the court lazily without dribble penetrating, without playing defense, without hitting shots, not holding the score against opponents, that will drag the Nets down no matter how much Lin carries the starters.

    If Vasquez can somehow magically heal from that bad ankle that has severely limited him for the last few years, then the glaring bench deficits will disappear and the Nets will appear hypercompetitive the way Lin already has the starters looking.

  • KHuang

    Terrific post.

    Even I as a Booker hater will happily defer to you on this.

  • KHuang

    Lopez just needs COURT TIME.

    He and Lin will figure it out if they are allowed to play together for long minutes per game.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    now the roster is 16. Who is the last cut?

  • psalm234

    It’s important to note that Brook already excelled in scoring (PnR,post-up,cut) w/o pass-first PG as of Feb 2016.
    Being ranked 3rd as the PnR Roll-man, 2nd in post-up, 2nd in cuts was impressive. And we know JLin will make him even better!

    It’s too bad that we couldn’t see it much of the duo in the preseason due to limited time but they are experienced vets and I have no doubt that we’ll see a lot of Brook-Lin PnR, pick-and-pop, cuts in the early season because it will bring them wins. We might even see it in the 1st game vs Boston Celtics as a ‘surprise gift’

    Check out the excellent article “How Valuable Is Brook?” by @TheBKGame
    http://bit.ly/2eiQGrZ
    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/788423426541129729

  • KHuang

    Probably Yogi – and I have a suspicion once Yogi is cut he will be instantly snatched up by another NBA team and plugged into the reserve lineup right away.

  • KHuang

    Yogi, unfortunately.

    He’s a nonguaranteed contract, just like Jeremy Lin was in Houston when they had the underperforming Jonny Flynn who was a waste of cap and court space.

  • KHuang

    I will be very unhappy if Atkinson plays Lin just 24 mpg so that Vasquez can play 24 mpg, and I will go from very unhappy to ENRAGED if Atkinson starts Vasquez over Lin because it’s a “better basketball fit!”

  • psalm234

    It’s a dilemma since Yogi has been outplaying Whitehead as a PG who has the bigger contract (4yr, late 1st round deal).

    I see Yogi has a 1yr (100K partially guaranteed) contract with the Nets so their plan was to send him to the LI Nets D-League team. But not sure if other teams can easily sign players under contract.

  • KHuang

    I doubt we’ll see this alleged “secret” Lin Lopez pick and roll superweapon in the early regular season, but I’m just a jaded old cynical NBA watcher that Click Click CORRECTLY taunted as “KHarangue” (I LOVE that name!)

  • KHuang

    Probably makes it EASIER, as they can offer him a smaller contract since the Nets are already guaranteed to pay him.

    They should cut Vasquez, he likely will retire sometime during the season due to injury anyway!

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I don’t get the sense Kenny wants to win by utilizing his best players too much…It seems to me Kenny wants to spread the offense in a way where everyone gets equal amount of shot and I’m not sure Kenny has the players for this.

    This is exactly what the motion offense does..it puts as much responsibility on guys like Booker/RHJ to make decisions and plays, as oppose to Lin/Lopez…and this is exactly my problem with the motion offense..This is not Spurs or Atlant…Kenny will have to properly mix in enough plays for Lin/Lopez

    It will be interesting to see how heavy this motion offense will be run…The fact tha Kenny doesn’t think it’s important to let Lin/Lopez get into some chemistry, bothers me a bit, but I’m willing to wait and see how things pan out.

    As for Lin, the good news is that even under the motion offense which doesn’t keep the ball in his hand to make the decision, he’s looked good..I’m sure Lin has looked for way within the system to take his chance..

  • psalm234

    Personally, I don’t think Atkinson tried to secretly hide Brook-Lin pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop as much as he wants to give ample time to the inexperienced players to get used to the motion offense. Pairing SKilpatrick (who’s been struggling to master the motion offense) with Lin yesterday was another example of Atkinson wants to get all players comfortable in the new offense.

    Coach Atkinson is quite smart; he would clearly knows Brook was ranked so high at 2nd or 3rd in cuts, post-up and a PnR roll man with OK PGs like Shane Larkin and Donald Sloan last season. When the regular season starts, it doesn’t make sense not to incorporate PnR and post-up just to solely focus on the motion offense.

    As for the preseason, I can see him looking at the schedule and said, “Wait, we face the Celtics 3 times in 11 days and the last one is Game 1 of the season?” Judging on how Coach Atkinson wanted so much to win the preseason opener vs the Pistons to build his team’s confidence, I can see he wants to desperately steal a win on the road against the Celtics on Oct 26.

    Can you imagine the headline if the lowly Nets beat the projected #2 seed in the Eastern conference? That will be one interesting game for sure if Brad Stevens is making constant adjustment on what the Nets tries to do 🙂

    But we’ll get to wait impatiently for Oct 26 😉

  • TVN

    Yet, some people want him to be benched instead of letting him and the rest of the team build chemistry. I’m sorry, but it’s borderline ridiculous.

  • grover chang

    I liked budinger. I remember him in Houston. He is a good player. More useful to me then some guys they are keeping.

  • psalm234

    @JLin7 haha had a great time working with @ComedyCentral and scaring the crap out of #Nets fans — watch full version here http://bit.ly/2eeAO8k https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/788440136371564548

  • Mr Chuckles

    As I recall, Bogut would not have gotten injured if Green didn’t go full stupid mode allowing the game 6 where Bogut got injured.

  • grover chang

    This is a surprising to me. If I was Ainge I would pounce on this with his Brooklyn Net picks before Lin makes those picks worthless.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2670372-lamarcus-aldridge-trade-rumors-latest-news-speculation-surrounding-spurs-star

  • Steppen03

    Absolutely agree!
    We will see “everything” once the regular season starts. There’ll be No giveaway games. We cannot afford to go in with “half offense” only. Coach KA is saving it all for regular season.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I wish you are right but I’m starting to get a bit nervous about Kenny and his insistance on motion offense

    I’m not really a fan of this motion offense simply because it treats every players the same and give guys like Booker/RHJ as many touches and decision making as Lin/Lopez.

    I’m hoping when season began, we will see the proper balance…At the end of the day, Kenny need to accept that Lin/Lopez are his best players and they will need as many touches as possible to win games.

    I do not want to constantly see Lin giving the ball away at half court on most plays just so that everybody touches the ball and having RHJ/Booker being forced to take a shot while shot-clock is expiring.

    I’ll wait until the first 5 games of the season to form my opinion on Kenny, but I don’t like what I’m seeing.

    I started getting a bit nervous about Kenny when I first heard him state that they don’t want to run the D’Antoni system….I just hope he understand that Booker/RHJ/Foye should not be given same amount of opportunity on the ball than Lin/Lopez.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    You’re not alone here…It looks like Kenny wants to win his way and it’s by creating a system that puts everyone on equal footing.

    Every coaches dreams is to win with average players with no one being too big of a scorer or a big star..that allows the coach to take all the credit…I’m hoping this is not Kenny’s intention here.

    Lin MOST average about 32-33 minute per game…Lin is clearly the best player on this team

  • TVN

    The Spurs won’t be anywhere near as good without Duncan as their defensive anchor. Aldridge can be an FA soon and if the Spurs disappoint, they could get some good value for him.

  • heart

    I think you’re thinking of Booker. Psalm is talking about Brook Lopez.

  • Spyckie

    This was the writing on the walls when we saw them in the game last night. I think KA putting them in the game was very honorable. It put a lot of shame on the Nets (they got blown out instantly with that lineup), but it allowed these guys to compete one more time on the big stage even though their careers are ending.

  • psalm234

    Charles Barkley: “The Linsanity run was one of the best runs we’ve ever had in NBA history.”
    https://twitter.com/APOOCH/status/788460709583712256

  • TVN

    No, I’m talking about Lopez. Some people have suggested that Hamilton start over him.

  • FrankW

    Isaiah Thomas’ preseason, 5 games:
    0.475 fg%, 0.500 3p%, 0.850 ft%
    Game average:
    17.8 min, 1.4 reb, 2.2 ast, 0.4 stl, 1.8 to, 12.4 pts
    Per 36 minutes:
    36.0 min, 2.8 reb, 4.4 ast, 0.8 stl, 3.6 to, 25.1 pts

    JLin’s preseason, 4 games:
    0.606 fg%, 0.471 3p%, 0.778 ft%
    Game average:
    21.8 min, 2.5 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.3 stl, 2.5 to, 15.5 pts
    Per 36 minutes:
    36.0 min, 4.1 reb, 7.4 ast, 2.1 stl, 4.1 to, 25.7 pts

  • CaliUSMC

    I kinda cringed throughout the whole thing -_-

  • CJSHYY
  • Yura

    Haha! Love it. He should make more YouTube videos. I miss those!

  • Yura

    No comparison! He can outplay any PGs with or WITHOUT proper minutes.

  • Yura

    I highly doubt he would do that. No worries 😊
    Only Byron Scott would do something like that 🙂

  • heart

    And IT has talents around him with a proven coach. OTOH, Lin’s strengths have not been utilized much and has to play w/in the new system w/ lesser talents and a 1st year NBA coach…

  • heart

    We’re praying that would not be the case. But the motion offense that KA is installing from Hawks/Spurs have each player PT average at 22-27min, unless OT, injury or match up in certain games but not all games…Like KA said PG is not dominant in ‘his system’. That is why the concern… We’ll see how things turn out…

  • psalm234

    I’m pretty sure it’s a skit but it’s definitely dark humor.

    It’s weird that they only collected the bad reaction. There were clips with harmless reactions a few weeks ago

  • Mr Chuckles

    I think you are missing the point of the skit. Those were all actors with the bad reactions (esp. the last one).

  • Guest

    Where did you get those numbers from? Are you implying that the Hawks starters average less than 30 minutes per game? Because that’s simply false.

  • heart

    What was Hawks players PT average? Someone recently posted Teague from Hawks in recent years PT avg around there. His stats in earlier years might be higher, but taper off in recent years. And from watching their games.

  • ProLin

    he’s just hedging his bet that Lin blows up this season and he wont’ have to eat crow.

  • Guest

    Emphasis is on the word STARTERS. Because even on the Spurs, the starters typically avg at least 32 minutes per game. “22-27 min” are alarmist numbers.

  • psalm234

    That makes more sense.

    Some Lin fans were a bit confused because a few weeks ago there were clips with real people with genuine reactions. All these people are definitely actors :]

  • ProLin

    I think it’s cultural issue. Spurs is basically a Euroleague team in the NBA. His play style probably doesn’t fit that well.

  • ProLin

    I think Lin already make more YT videos than any other NBA or Pro athletes. That Asian youtuber connection is working well for him.

  • ProLin

    yeah everything is a joke… people do not act that way to Lin IRL. LOL

  • heart

    I don’t want to be alarmed or alarm anyone. Don’t accuse me of that! That was straight out from the stats I saw! I’d be more than happy if Lin gets more than 30 minutes. KA is combining both Hawks & Spurs system, so who knows how he will distribute the minutes. We are in discussion of our concerns. Why call names??? But we’ll wait and see.

  • Guest

    Link to “the stats I saw!” please…

  • heart

    search down some page. I saw Teague minutes were higher a few years higher and then taper off.

  • Guest

    Is that how you arrived at 22-27?

  • heart

    Why?

  • g

    a·larm·ist
    əˈlärməst/
    noun
    1.someone who is considered to be exaggerating a danger and so causing needless worry or panic.
    synonyms: scaremonger, fearmonger, doomster, doomsayer, Cassandra, Chicken Little
    “until I saw the map and radar photos of the hurricane, I thought he was being an alarmist”
    adjective

  • Vincent

    Noo! The spurs must not part with aldridge

  • 1mtoldman

    incorrect. 3 years ago the spurs did not have a single player average even 30 minutes. and in the last 3 years only 3 times has a player averaged 30 minutes or more for the spurs; leonard twice and aldridge once.

  • Guest

    Tim Duncan was a Spur for 19 seasons. During that time he averaged 34 mpg. Of course in his later years his minutes were reduced. Tony Parker has been a Spur for 15 years averaging 32 mpg. When he passed age 32 his minutes started to drop to just under 30 minutes. And for the Hawks, there is even less emphasis on spreading the minutes over the entire roster. So yes 22-27 minutes are fictitious, alarmist numbers.

  • TVN

    You’re basing this off of preseason?

  • TVN

    Millsap, Horford, and Korver all averaged over 30 mpg last season for the Hawks.

    Teague averaged between 30 to 33 mpg for 4 seasons before last season, when he played 28.5 mpg. The Hawks plan was to groom Dennis Schroeder into their PG and trade Teague, which is why they cut into Teague’s minutes. Both are set to become FA’s after this season and the Hawks chose to keep the younger guy.

  • zxcvb

    Those are total points though, not efficiency. His efficiency wasn’t very good.

    I think Brook-Lin could be great…but it’s not looking good in this fast motion offense. Lin can thrive in any system as long as he gets touches/minutes. But Lopez has looked totally uncomfortable.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Personally I don’t even think 5 games is enough. You have to be patient, these sort of things don’t pay out immediately.

  • TVN

    Lin and Lopez have played limited minutes in 3 games together. Not fair to expect them to look like they’ve been playing together for years.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I can see any one of Yogi/Whitehead/McCullough being cut.

  • TVN

    They’re not cutting McCullough. There would be a long line of teams waiting to sign him if the Nets were that stupid, which they’re not.

  • TVN

    Yogi can get claimed by another team, which doesn’t make him a sure thing for Long Island. That’s likely why the Nets have held him out–so they don’t showcase him to other teams.

  • zxcvb

    They’ve been practicing plenty according to Lopez and Lin. Lin doesn’t need a lot of time to play PnR with anyone. Chandler and Ed Davis got it right away. Asik and Hornets bigs…not so much.

  • aggressiveplayer

    Sorry not cut, but more like being sent to the D-League. But I must warn you I’m not too sure how the D-League situation works and if other teams can pick up McCullough if he were sent to the D-League.

  • aggressiveplayer

    With all due respect, I think you shouldn’t worry so much about Atkinson and what he will do. I know things look bad right now and Atkinson’s coaching has gotten a lot of people riled up at the moment, but give the man some time. I’ve said this many times, but these changes need time to see results. Come January/February, I think we’ll see a much improved Nets. Just trust in Atkinson and trust in Lin’s decision to sign with him. I’m so confident that Atkinson will make this Nets team much better than what we’re currently seeing that I even bet you when January comes along, you can look back at this comment and I’ll say I told you so.

  • 1mtoldman

    i stand behind my statement; im not nor were you talking about the career #s of duncan or parker. but all spurs starters in current times.. and to me a three year recent sample is a solid sample and indicative of current reality.

    . and the fact remains in recent times it is incorrect to say that “spurs starters typically average 32 minutes per game”. they do not.

    assuming 5 starters per season thru 3 seasons; thats 15 starters only 3 averaging even 30 minutes per game.

    and i never adddressed the 22-27 as alarmist issue; i simply and correctly pointed out that based on recent history it is incorrect to state that spurs starters average 32 mpg. in fact they do not.

  • heart

    Thanks for the info. Every season, teams adjust differently based on their roster w/ the system they want to install. Understand this Nets team need Lin to play more minutes than that to be successful. But we’ll wait and see how KA distributes his minutes and rotate his players. We all hope that things will work out sooner than later. The interpretation was from the past stats saw posted, and the concerns grew after each game bc of the uncertainty. It’s Not only me but some other posters also. This is why we as Lin fans thank Psalm for this forum to give a place to show support for Lin and/or to air our concerns and opinions.

  • psalm234

    good point. I don’t know what the efficiency number is

    I’m thinking at some point of time, Atkinson has to tailor to what works best for Brook and Lin as their best players. If Brook is not comfortable in the motion offense after 15-20 games, Coach would need to draw some plays for him, especially at end-game situation.

    Even if they want to trade Brook at some point (which I don’t think they would), they have to showcase him by running a lot of plays.

  • TVN

    “Practicing plenty” is nice, but they’ve only been at it for less than a month. Not talking just about PnR. There were several plays where Lin and Lopez were not on the same page. In particular, the very first play of the game, Lin got a TO, because Lopez didn’t expect as pass. The first play or so of the 2nd half, Lopez tried to hit Lin on a backdoor, but Lin wasn’t cutting hard and it was a TO. I expect those TO’s to be eliminated once they have more experience with each other.

  • KHuang

    Not a surprise to me.

    I wrote before last season on this forum that Aldridge would not do well on the Spurs because he lacked fundamentals.

  • KHuang

    Aldridge is not a difference maker for the Spurs.

  • KHuang

    I can voice my concerns AND still be optimistic that Atkinson will improve.

  • KHuang

    It’s THE BEST run ever in NBA history, nothing comes close.

  • blueCypher

    Is there audio of his interview with the press ?

  • JoeTeam

    Def not as funny as his own produced ones … who wrote this lol.

  • JoeTeam

    yo psalm … dark humor is ok but this one didn’t have any twist just same until the guy got a heart attack. Dark humor normally has a bite at something in the end.

  • psalm234

    yo JoeTeam, welcome back 🙂
    are you ready for the season?

    it was a little too real to be a dark comedy, I guess.
    It needs to be more comical

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    5 games so I can see how heavy he wants to run motion offense instead of mixing in a good doze of PnR.

    The motion offense is best when you have a good balance of talent…Brooklyn have quite a few guys who can’t score and are liability of the offensive side of the ball…You will have these guys getting caught with the ball, having to shoot.

  • sport

    Yup same thing Mchale is doing.

  • Vincent

    who do they have if he leaves then? lol they lost diaw duncan. parker looks older than ever, green hasnt been as good and ginobili is like 50 now lol.. the only players they have is gasol and leonard then

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I’ve already stated I’m willing to wait until the regular start to see whether Lin’s strength is being utilized.

    We haven’t seen it much in preseason, so let’s see whether it’ll happen when regular season start.

  • heart

    Thanks for the reminder.

  • LAJane

    yo…happy to see you pop up again

  • Steppen03

    People… Coach KA’s system is based on Spurs/Hawks but doesn’t that there will be nothing new or changes due to personnel. IF the Nets really want to win games then JLin will get his 35+ min. and his playing style. Simple. Bottom line: winning games. If they can win with what works then there’ll be no changes.

  • sport

    With most of the plays cut done to 16, will we finally see the real lineup this Thursday, last game before the regular season?

  • David Kim

    I hope so…

  • Lin Dunn

    What is Jlin’s FT %?

  • Lin Dunn

    There are some pretty good and hopeful young PGs @ SA.

  • Lin Dunn

    Not that impressed.

  • FrankW

    0.778 ft%

  • joy

    it’s ‘one of…’ :p

  • joy

    I doubt if those people are Lin fans. They’re way too serious. True Lin fans will be scared with laughs and hug Lin then gladly take the free gift. haha

  • aggressiveplayer

    Touche.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I think these things will get better with time. It’s a process, and I think we’ll make adjustments along the way.

  • aggressiveplayer

    I have a feeling Lin will play closer to 30 mins. Probably average 32 or 33 minutes. Nets seem to be very cautious of injuries and minutes.

  • psalm234

    Haven’t seen it yet. Will post if there is one

  • TVN

    Miami is absolutely drilling Orlando, and this is without Whiteside. Orlando is missing Gordon (who they are trying to play at SF, which won’t work) and Biyombo. The Magic are supposed to be improved, but I don’t see it. Serge Ibaka is their best player. Would have been a nice fit next to Lopez and he’ll be a FA this summer. Magic gave up Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for him.

  • AlexBB
  • psalm234

    The article is ok but let’s not post politics since things escalate out of control quickly.
    Please edit and remove the political reference.

    I’ll repost the reminder for those who haven’t seen it yet

    Fellow JLin fans, let’s refrain from posting politics or religion issues because it’s such a divisive topic and against the forum rules. There are already other proper forums to discuss them.

    Let this place be a Lin-related basketball forum to create togetherness and unity, especially in the next month nearing to the US election. IMHO we can all benefit from having a peaceful sanctuary since most social media are already saturated with conflicts and fights. Thank you for your understanding.

  • AlexBB

    noted and thanks. Have a good day.

  • psalm234

    thank you for your understanding

  • grover chang

    Rewatched the game highlights. A small split second gesture I enjoyed watching was repeated by the Nets consistently. That is the pointing to the passer. About 40 years ago Legendary Coaches Dean Smith and John Wooden discussed about “thanking the passer” being an important gesture to create togetherness and unity within a team.

    This was so important to Dean Smith that the players would have to run if they forgot to thank the passer. What Wooden said stuck with me whenever I play. Wooden said, that after you score on an assist, when you look up, the first person who will be looking at you is the person who passed you the ball. (That is so true.) Be sure to point to him like Lin and his teammates to “thank the passer.”

  • psalm234

    ICYMI
    “Jeremy Lin received votes as one of most underrated player acquisitions from http://NBA.com 2016-17 GM Survey.”
    https://twitter.com/manu77728/status/788410464497651712

  • james brown

    i think that inside the plan of KA about “Motion Offense” is the review from among the players the beauty of passing the ball to an open and better position player, but with a hint that if one has a shot and its open, he should take it. In the NBA, its so hard to take away the ball from players that’s why the “sticky” term arise. Kenny tries to reinvent and instill in the minds of his players including JLIN and Brooks, that passing first and not scoring needs to be thought of when playing the right brand of basketball.

    i continue that i can see that after this pre season, though short experimentation, his players needs to put it in their heart so they can sustain whatever advantage they may have in the long run. KA knew that Jlin and Brooks will do their parts, but most of the new players and rooks can’t right now and most of them needs to be disciplined on their skills if not developed.

  • james brown

    this is the best trade miami will ever commit if its true. and i thought Goran found a home at miami. not good for him.

  • james brown

    he will play more minutes if they can’t find a suitable back up Pg..Foye can be a back up, but i am still wavering about vasquez.

  • james brown

    they will be playing offense that starts with either JLIN or Brooks..aka modifies motion offense. i can see it even the last game where after Jlin move to rest, motion offense by the bench starts. but when Jlin’s in, plays starts from him (though not yet a full bloom plays through out the last game against boston.)

  • james brown

    Lin’s game is still being controlled and limited right now because Coach Lin focused himself on looking for the dev of other players, just like his coach KA..LOL!

  • Steppen03

    Yes, it’s good that injury-free is practiced. We don’t know but my guess is that situation dictates actions. If JLin is needed to seal the win then I hope Coach will play him 40min. If other elite point guards in the league can do it so can Lin. This is one of the knocks on him – that he’s not legit to carry the team for an entire game or season. His endurance is questioned by “all” coaches not named MDA and perhaps KA.

  • james brown

    can see that he’s not fit to be a spurs too! he act and move like duncan but without the BBIQ

  • Steppen03

    Sometimes, the team just need his leadership on the floor. Like a CP3. Not some heavy lifting… So, I think he’s capable to sustain heavy minutes in a long season.

  • guest

    Exactly. Since merger, nobody has done what Jeremy Lin did. It’s THE BEST run EVER, not “One of the Best”.

  • guest

    He looks out of sorts with Spurs. Unfortunately, like Lopez with Brooklyn Nets due to the coaching and style.

  • Barry Allen

    Jeremy Lin Determines Nets' Success https://t.co/KZJN95vM7F— Jean-Paul Valley (@JeanPaulValley8) October 19, 2016

  • heart

    You are so right… Thanks for letting me see it that way…

  • occupatio

    dragic’s career will go down the tubes in sacramento. yes, cousins is there but they are so mis-managed. i guess it doesnt matter anyway, since his current contract is the biggest he will ever have, regardless of the team.

  • occupatio

    its clear from the survey that GMs really value g. hill and teague. lin is more like an honorable mention instead of a top vote.

  • psalm234

    I checked GHill’s and Teague’s salary to be $8M in 2016 so the GMs might factor in the bang for the buck.
    Personally I think Teague is better than GHill.

    It’s good to know that some GMs think Lin is also underrated at $12M/yr

  • aggressiveplayer

    Yea it really depends on the game but I hope if he’s really needed he’ll play over 35.

  • aggressiveplayer

    A little bit disappointed that survey didn’t vote anyone on the Nets other than Lin. I personally think Kenny Atkinson should have won the new coach one.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    You mean 30 minutes in the next preseason games or during the regular season?

    For the regular season, I expect Lin to play 32+ minutes per game, at the very least.

  • Arsenium12 .

    A tour of the new Sacramento Kings’ arena …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/i/web/status/788598060347564032

  • psalm234

    Nets are very underrated at the moment and only Lin has been the most accomplished acquisition in the offseason. I got a feeling after the season we’ll hear a lot about Brook, Joe Harris, Booker, Bojan simply because Lin gives them more wide-open shots.

  • occupatio

    it could be just one GM vote by a single GM.

    if many GMs valued Lin, he wouldnt have been totally shafted last year when many teams wouldnt even sign him for the vet minimum.

  • psalm234

    ICYMI Brooklyn Nets 2016-2017 Season Preview video truly conveys what they’re trying to build in the new Nets: high-character guys, hard-working players. Interesting that players describe Coach Atkinson with the ‘humble’, ‘respectful’, ‘a guy I go to war any days’ words [starting at 3:56]

    Whether the Nets win 25 Wins or 45 Wins this season, this is definitely a high-character team that we can root for.
    And being the only team that trusts JLin as the floor general, I hope Lin fans will be patient with them when they experience growing pains. That much we can do to support the franchise that chose Lin as the leader.

    courtesy of @Click Click

  • takeme2cruz

    A little is very under stated.

  • james brown

    got this news from other site:
    “After Gutierrez, Beech, Budinger and Mockevicius were waived earlier today, Yogi Ferrell
    remains the only player with an unguaranteed contract on the roster. He
    might get a shot against the Knicks, but the odds of him making the
    final team aren’t great.”
    so were talking here of an almost complete roster now, rotation will definitely be the last task before the regular season comes.

  • Casual bb fan

    LOL, the GMs are not ready to eat crows carcasses yet after not valuing JL for the last 4years. The haters will not admit their ineptness in evaluating bbiq and talents as GM of ‘professional’ bb teams. For the not so hard headed ones they will own up by all stars break this year. Haha cheers.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    these were surely staged to make it funnier even though i didn’t think it was very funny at all

  • joy

    …to create togetherness and unity within a team.

    These two strong words (togetherness and unity) to me are exactly the same meaning as Jeremy’s humble answer to CSNNE reporter of what he wants others say about the Nets when the season is over — “they would say we play hard; that’s number one,” Lin said. “They (Nets) play unselfish. That to me would be the ultimate compliment.”

  • norah mackenzie

    they sd create a new category for jeremy tbh. ” why every other nba player needs to comment on him or his salary?” !!!!

  • norah mackenzie

    it is just bias – the nets are so under the radar that they have forgotten that the nets exist. suits me fine – who wants fakeness

  • KHuang

    Yogi Ferrell reminds me of a 1970s ABA superstar with the exact same game: Mack Calvin.

    Mack Calvin as a rookie was in the same position as Yogi – a no hope training camp player to be cut. But his coach threw him into a game and he went crazy with like 30 points! Then Calvin went on to be one of the ABA’s greatest superstars.

    Hopefully Yogi has a breakout game and makes the NBA, though I seriously doubt that Atkinson chooses him over Vasquez.

  • KHuang

    If the slow unathletic George Hill is the lead votegetter, then the entire study has NO CREDIBILITY.

  • Arsenium12 .
  • norah mackenzie

    i hope that yogi stays though

  • Arsenium12 .

    Mods : I have a routine post waiting for approval. Please release it. Thanks.

  • Nothing I can see in the moderation queue…really weird

  • Brent Yen

    I see no messages in mod queue, not sure what has happened….yet..

  • 1mtoldman

    updated preseason scoring notes:

    lin still leading backcourt players in my “scoring efficiency quotient” ratings, now 2nd overall only to danillo galinari (back in ratings after playing again last nite to reach minimum games played level). had galinari remained out lin would be #1 overall for first time

    lin also: the highest field goal % of any backcourt player, 3rd highest 3 pt % behind only klay thompson and evan fournier, fewest fga’s of any backcourt player, 2nd overall to gallinari, 3rd fewest minutes played behind only thompson and demarcus cousins. (among top 25 scorers in points per game).

    devin booker leading in scoring per game and fga’s per game. (he who takes the most shots scores the most points). dangelo russell second most prolific chucker ( fga’s per game) and tobias harris (a bit of surprise i would say) third most.

    poorest shooting % among leading scorers: in no particular order, harden, russell, lillard, westbrook, kawhi leonard, carmelo anthony

    poorest 3 pt shooting %: in no particular order, booker, harden, russell, cousins, lillard, wiggins, griffin

    backcourt scoring efficiency ratings top 5 in order: lin, thompson, mike conley, harden, booker
    frontcourt: gallinari, cousins, durant, whiteside, leonard
    overall: gallinari, lin, cousins, thompson, durant, conley, harden, whiteside, leonard, booker

  • Arsenium12 .

    Brent, when I log out of the site I can see the post. So, maybe the problem has resolved itself. Thanks.

  • 1mtoldman

    harden, westbrook, conely, russell, lin and lillard are the only 6 players in top 20 in both points and assists per game in preseason.

    i believe enes kanter is the only player in top twenty in both rebounds and points.

  • Brent Yen

    SO….basically …you banned yourself? so you can only see it when you are not you….LOL jk

  • KHuang

    Of that top 20, Lin has to be in last place for minutes.

  • KHuang

    That would be the “Let’s be racist against the Asian guy” category!

  • KHuang

    Terrific post.

    I wrote this summer on this forum that the Oladipo Ibaka trade would help OKC and hurt Orlando.

  • Grace
  • KHuang

    I have no idea what to expect.

    My initial guess was that Lin and Lopez would play about 24 mpg while RHJ Booker Foye play 30+ mpg, that Vasquez gets up to about 24 mpg while Lin sits, that Yogi gets cut, that there’s no Lin Lopez two man action. But I don’t even feel that any of this is certain.

    The way Atkinson has said things but done the opposite, I have no clue what he is going to do.

  • Brent Yen

    Agreed

  • CJSHYY

    Hope so….

  • Arsenium12 .

    I agree. That term doesn’t appear in the story. The problem is with the headline writer.

  • Grace

    “I think we’ll keep figuring out minutes and getting closer to what we’re going to see,’’ Lopez said. “Obviously guys are gone, it’s going to be different in that regard.”

    And yes, Lin will play. He was held out of the first Nets-Knicks preseason game at the Garden on October 9. He’ll start Thursday.

  • lleepar

    Reminder for those near NYC:
    Jeremy will be at Bloomingdales tonight from 6:00 pm to 7:00 pm for Tag Heuer.
    https://pulsd.com/new-york/celebrities/bloomingdales/an-evening-with-jeremy-lin

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    Wow, Charles Barkley is right on this time, haha: “The Nets are the second best team in New York,” said Barkley. “That’s the best I can give you.”

  • lleepar
  • Rick James

    Khuang, no offense but are you 70 years old?

  • martan267

    Nope- he is wrong. Nets are the best team in New York. Better than the Knicks.

  • norah mackenzie

    which reminds me – is rose or noah actually playing for the knicks or still awol?

  • martan267

    Why are you asking this question? Is that okay to assume just because someone has knowledge that is farther back in history, must mean they are of that era. If you have to preface your statement with “no offense” or “no disrespect”, often times that means that you do, or, you know it can be offensive or disrespectful. So best just not to ask or say it.

  • Click Click

    Lin on Boomer & Carton show this morning:

  • Arsenium12 .

    His ponytail is so long now …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/788778450530295808

  • psalm234

    I wonder if @JLin7 new ponytail helps w/ #balance & feedback to improve his 3pt shooting (47%)
    #LinstantFeedback 🔥 🏀

  • psalm234

    good one
    or “who’s the most likely player to get hit without any refs blowing a whistle?’

  • HVJoy

    Thank you for sharing. The audio (13:00) below contains the complete conversation.

    http://cbsloc.al/2e6ofLQ

  • Arsenium12 .
  • Click Click
  • KHuang

    No offense taken.

    As far as my NBA (or ABA) watching experience is concerned, YES.

  • psalm234

    Thanks!

    It’s so good that JLin diplomatically offered a well-thought out answer that he never confirmed with JR when the question was asked if JR gave him a racist treatment. In a way, he did not deny or confirm it to let others draw their own conclusion.

    But he did say there were negative and positive aspects of his race so the racial issues are very real. That’s JLin always taking the high road

  • Vincent
  • KHuang

    I actually know much less about the 2000s than I do the 1970s because the entire NBA really struggled with playing decent basketball after the hated illegal defense rule was mercifully dropped!

    The basketball played last decade was ATROCIOUS, even by champions like the Lakers or Spurs or Celtics. The whole NBA was struggling with the massive rule change, and it resulted in a terrible mix of clumsy isolation inefficiency and poorly executed wannabe team defense.

    This decade is much better, especially now that iso players like Kobe from before the rule change have mercifully retired.

  • deesee5

    Been there. Beautiful building!!

  • CJSHYY
  • JW
  • grover chang

    Of course I don’t agree. But Barkley gives great quotes. LOL.

  • CJSHYY
  • JW

    http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/10/19/13334410/boomer-carton-ask-was-j-r-smith-racist-towards-jeremy-lin

    Sound like JR heard about his name mentioned about him being racist and had responded.

  • sws94
  • Arsenium12 .
  • occupatio

    things to look out for tonight: BBall Breakdown did a video of the Knicks offense and their sets.

  • JW
  • TVN

    What is this about?

  • psalm234

    The Knicks has a back-to-back road game vs Celtics tonight and vs Nets tomorrow.
    It will help the Nets to get a win tomorrow before starting a regular season game in 6 days

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    Unfortunately, a lot of people who are “racist” don’t know they are racist. JR might be thinking, “I thought Jeremy’s contract was ridiculous not because he is Asian but because I don’t think he’s a good player.” What JR doesn’t know is that unconsciously, Jeremy’s race may be a reason why JR doesn’t think he’s a good player.

  • Yura

    I think Brooke really enjoys having Lin as his teammate. You can see it in his face.

  • spiderman

    Near time he and Lin put it together in regular season.
    I’d like to see him dominate and make his partnership worthwhile

  • KHuang

    Agree with JR Smith.

    NOT racist.

    I actually didn’t have a problem saying that other players might resent Lin’s sudden huge pay raise after just 25 games. I felt it was TRUE and was completely understandable.

    I loved the way JR Smith played with Lin on the Knicks, and I don’t see him as being racist toward Lin.

  • spiderman

    Former coaches and refs have mistreated Lin more than anyone ever could

  • BobbyH

    LOL, they have to bring up Melo each time.

  • CJSHYY
  • KHuang

    Yes, THOSE guys have been VERY RACIST.

  • 1mtoldman

    actually 3rd fewest (see post directly below); with only cousins and klay thompson fewer.

  • CJSHYY
  • 1mtoldman

    yeah people dont get it; non-“newspaper” people that almost always the headline is not written by the writer of the article. its tacked on later by someone else (usually assigned to try to make up something controversial or exotic to attract attention).

  • 1mtoldman

    rose not expected back till after nets game; no recent update info on noah that im aware of if find any will post up top of the page.

  • CJSHYY
  • 1mtoldman

    in answer to a query below: noah played in knicks last game the 15th 19 minutes and there is no new info to suggest he would not be available for tomorrows game; porzingis however is (lastest info i have seen) still listed as day to day with groin issue.

  • Yura

    Wow. I wonder how much was paid off.

  • Yura

    Wait who is accusing him of this? Is it Lin fans because that would totally put Lin in an awkward position with JR.

  • 1mtoldman

    follow links below it was an interviewer posed the question to lin: the interviewer (not lin or a lin fan) that listed jr smith by name as someone “suggested” as being racist towards lin in the interview.

  • Yura

    Honestly, yes, maybe JR was a little jealous. Maybe he was shocked that this “Asian” kid could play any basketball AND win games after the losing streak. After all, it is true that Lin is the only Asian American basketball player in the NBA (correct me if I’m wrong). Of course these Egotistic black NBA players aren’t going to be all happy and supportive. Its all about who is better than who! This is nonsense. I don’t think he’s racist at all.

  • Arsenium12 .

    This is the view from the rooftop of the Nets’ practice facility …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/788849689944784896

  • Grace

    Jeremy Lin to make the All-Star Game!

  • freemind
  • I am The Jason

    Or JR may have been jealous because this unknown player came out of nowhere and lit up NY and the NBA landscape. Race may have had a hand in Linsanity being born, but I serious doubt it had anything to do with any conflict in the Knicks locker room.

  • ViNuyork

    yes—hopefully a good game…we got tickets 🙂 🙂

  • Click Click
  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    I just love how Brook is embracing this Lin/Lopez or Brook-Lin connection. I really hope it translates onto the court
    .

  • Click Click
  • spiderman

    Greivis has been grievous. I hope he’s able to turn it around soon

  • spiderman

    Not bold at all.
    Only hate will prevent him from all-star game

  • Arsenium12 .

    More evidence Sacramento is looking for a new point guard …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/788876863724806144

  • CJSHYY

    So no Heat deal….?

  • Arsenium12 .
  • Arsenium12 .

    Jeremy at the TAG Heuer event …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/788880421673062400

  • Arsenium12 .
  • Arsenium12 .
  • Arsenium12 .

    At the TAG Heuer event at Bloomingdale’s. An everyday hero …
    __________
    https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/788883737480015873

  • Rick James

    No one paid anyone off. This was another case of a girl trying to score easy $$$ against a rich man by falsely claiming rape. I’m not a fan of Rose, but I feel sorry for what he had to go through, having his name dragged through the dirt. These kinds of cases should be thrown out after a preliminary check. If the girl has a history of doing drugs, heavy drinker, no steady job, and a girl like that is claiming rape against a rich and famous man, obviously this case is bogus and should be thrown out immediately.

  • freemind

    “(though the prediction here is that Lin will make it is because he’ll be voted into the game as a starter) ”
    what he was saying that …Lin will make it not by his bb merit but being voted in by fans. 😒

  • psalm234
  • aggressiveplayer

    Welcome back man

  • sport

    So RHJ like short hair girls, good taste!

  • sport

    We won’t know until KA allow PnR and enough starter minutes for both besides together!

  • sport

    It’s a popularity contest so long as he gets a enough fan votes you cares? Either way in order to get in JLin will have to lead his team to playoffs and top seed. I would prefer them to beat Raptors and Celtics to win the division but everything is still a mystery.

  • sport

    That’s called bias, just cause the girl “had history” doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

  • sport

    Come JR Smith is the last person you would call racist, jealous sure, racist no.

  • sport

    We’re all looking forward for some legit Brooklin Pick and Pop or PnR whatever you want to call it with heavy minutes of playing time. Enough of these rookies taking ugly shots and minutes away! These 2 should have 30 or more minutes every game!

  • Rick James

    Bias or beyond reasonable doubt. If this were a true criminal case instead of civil, then it would have been thrown out before even heading to trial. Admit it.

  • sport

    You were generalizing all girls with history are just making false claims. There are true stories out there where dumb girls have a history of partying that ended being killed and raped so I don’t think it’s right to generalize all of them as false claim. Though for this one I have no doubt it was the girl trying to get easy money.

  • sport

    OMG finally! geez been waiting for this, hope KA will finally unleash BrookLin!!! Lets Go!!

  • sport

    Was CB making a joke? Nets are miles better than Knicks who are not going to make playoffs unless DRose miraculously returned to his before injury form and kicked Melo off the team.

  • sport

    And here we thought Lin’s minutes were low, didn’t know Klay had even fewer minutes. I wonder if he’s losing minutes due to the addition of Durant.

  • norah mackenzie

    thanks –

  • sport

    Not really you still got volume shooters like Harden, Melo, Walker chucking away just to show they are a “star” when they are not.

  • norah mackenzie

    is there an issue between scola and grievis – they don’t seem to like each other judging from body language

  • Arsenium12 .
  • norah mackenzie

    I bet that this whole jr smith will blow up even more – it’s been picked up the bleacher report now – let’s hope that people don’t start blaming lin for it

  • Rick James

    There is always an exception to the rule, the 1 in a million case that you are talking about. 99% of the time when a rich and famous man gets in trouble with rape claims, it is due to a gold digger who is taking the once in a life time opportunity to get rich and never work in life again. Am I over generalizing this woman and placing blame on ALL of them? Perhaps I am from a moral stand point, but statistically speaking I am not.

    The rich guys who step out of a nice car, or into a bar, no matter how ugly they are will attract almost every single girl nearby. If he is rich, famous, young AND good looking in the case of DRose, the girls will line up for him in single file all the way around the block LOL. Lin is also dealing with this issue..fortunately for him he relieves his stress through DOTA and his faith in Jesus.

  • blueCypher

    The radio host should not have name dropped JR Smith like that though. This “controversy” is not necessary and there might be some backlash towards Lin because of it.

  • sport

    These cases happen more often than you think around the world. There are privileged spoiled rich kids who are so used to like you said, people lining up for them that they can’t accept no as an answer. Or think daddy’s going to take care of it if he’s in trouble.

  • Rick James

    I respect your opinion, but I am a bit more cynical about life in general because I know how the real world works. Your scenario may happen, but it is more common in tv dramas than it is in real life.

    Even in DRose’s case, the victim who claimed rape was not the only woman present, there were 2 other girls in the room as well.

  • sport

    Technically Lin could’ve just said no I don’t JR Smith is racist. But leaving it for your opinion makes it seem like he thinks so.

  • norah mackenzie

    is rose ” good looking” ? i guess my hotness radar never picked up on that . ewww

  • Rick James

    As a man, I can only speak objectively LOL! I believe he is good looking. Tall, dark, decent looking face, physically fit. He isn’t hot like those kpop stars (that look like women), but as a man he looks decent. Again Im speaking objectively.

  • casual bb fan

    LOL. IMO you are generalising without realising that you are bias towards people with a history of bad behaviour which may not be their own doing. Taking advantage of someone who are not able to defend themselves or say no is depicable. Putting oneself in a position of vice is irresponsible taking into consideration that you have an image to project and role model to play in the professional sport you are in. The jury and judge projected a bad image too being photographed or joked during the proccedings or after the judgement. This is USA culture anyway, a bad example claiming to be the most civilised nation!. Haha cheers.

  • blueCypher

    Ya, I agree there . He could have made a more assertive statement.

  • Rick James

    I mentioned this below, but I am not over generalising IF what I am saying is STATISTICALLY true. In this case there were 3 girls in the room together…there was no “taking advantage”. I agree with you about the responsibility DRose has as a role model and falling to vice. It is a moral failing on his part and I feel sorry for the parents of the kids who look up to DRose.

    The Jury were taking pictures because everyone could see that the trial was a sham in the first place. USA is a democracy, everyone has personal freedom. Cheers.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Yes, and the radio host presented himself as a “friend” of Jeremy’s. Jeremy doesn’t need friends like that.

  • casual bb fan

    LOL. IMO such cases just show the notion of Democracy in US borders on being a failed democracy. Too much impropriety and inappropriate action by people with perceived role model to project, including but not limiting to the jury, judge, ‘celebrity’ etc..sorry for posting as such. If inappropriate on this JL fan site please delete. Thx. Haha cheers

  • joy

    Yeah, it’s becoming another style. Am sure he’ll cut it short when the regular season starts.

  • Maknusia

    The last 2 games…should be close to the real season games

  • Rick James

    You are right, in some ways the Democracy in US is a failure, I strongly believe the Chinese have a more functional government. However, personal freedoms is something that we westerners greatly enjoy even if we take it for granted everyday.

  • AL

    I agree, on management level seems that possibility needs to be played out so 1% has to be left out unfortunately; yet on human level no one is a mere number and needs to be cherished. So many stories of 2nd chances being given and rebirth. After all, we all have sinned before or behind the scene..

  • KHuang

    There may have been stuff going on with Smith behind the scenes that had Lin wondering – or maybe not.

  • KHuang

    The Wolves should get rid of this guy for BIG assets – he’s the NBA’s 2nd most overrated player behind Patrick Beverley.

    While Rubio is definitely the 2nd best PG defender in the NBA behind Jeremy Lin, Rubio’s offense is so bad that he’ll bring down any team he joins.

    Everybody looks at Rubio and thinks “Steve Nash in waiting” when in fact he’s JUST RICKY RUBIO!!!

  • KHuang

    Cool, I was WRONG.

    When I’m wrong, I’m wrong!

  • KHuang

    Sooner or later (definitely sooner as opposed to later), Lin’s gonna pull the Nets together.

    When this TALENTED Nets team fuly comes together under the happy guidance of Linstructor and Atkinson, LOOK OUT NBA.

    This Nets team shows serious signs of competitiveness, even despite some glaring problems with veteran players.

    It’ll be a sudden reversal in fortune when the Nets fully get in game shape and rally behind their leader Lin. And there will be no turning back once the winning begins.

  • casual bb fan

    LOL. IMO personal freedom in a democracy like the current form in the US is perceived freedom but anyways better than either ‘kleptocracy’ or like in a ‘political theodocracy’. Haha cheers.

  • Vincent

    new york is ready for linsanity 2.0!

  • spiderman

    Hmmm not sure.
    Maybe scola’s saying “get your act together” and greivis is saying “it’s gonna take a while” and scola’s saying “season will be over by then”

  • zxcvb

    Let it blow up. JR absolutely was racist in knocking Lin’s contract while not saying a word about anyone else’s much more “ridiculous” contract. He probably doesn’t even realize his bias. Time for this casual racism to be exposed.

    Lin handled it perfectly with total class. Didn’t accuse or deny. Just said that race has been a factor in his career and left it to others to decide. When they play the Knicks, this type of controversy can only get into the JR and Melo’s heads — Lin isn’t the one questioning those guys contracts or acting like a weasel. He’s clean, he’s the good guy.

  • joy
  • zxcvb

    He already has them playing great basketball when he’s out there. It’s only when he subs out or lets others have a crack at making plays that the Nets start getting crushed. I’ll definitely be watching how much Kenny will push this motion offense early in the season…could cost them some winnable games the first few weeks.

  • joy
  • spiderman

    so did he make it?

  • joy

    don’t know. Wish there will be a video for this later. 🙂

  • joy
  • KHuang

    Every season, Lin goes through this painful learning process with his team early in the season.

    The difference between this season and previous ones is that the Nets are actually gelling much faster than Lin’s previous teams. That’s because they are way more talented than Lin’s previous teams, more so than even Lin’s 2013 Houston team with Harden and Howard getting badly outplayed in scrimmages by Lin.

    It’s not just the players that have to raise their game with Lin. The coaches need to learn from Linstructor too.

  • norah mackenzie

    gag ewww

  • CJSHYY

    Melo didn’t play vs Celtics today. NYK beat Celtics today (No IT). Can’t wait for tomorrow’s game.

  • blueCypher

    Marcus Smart looks to be out 2 weeks because of the ankle sprain. If that’s the case he will be out vs the Nets opener.

  • psalm234

    It looks like Coach Atkinson wants to see more regular-season rotations tomorrow, although he wants to see Jeremy plays with different guys. Also, Lin relishes the motion offense so he doesn’t have to play PnR everytime

    [NYPost] First signs Jeremy Lin and Brook Lopez are developing chemistry
    http://nypost.com/2016/10/19/first-signs-jeremy-lin-and-brook-lopez-are-developing-chemistry/

    Playing together more often with Lin in Thursday’s preseason finale against the Knicks seems like a must.
    “I’d think so,’’ Lopez said.
    While Atkinson still is tinkering, he also wants to get things settled.

    “I think I’m going to look more at our regular-season rotations. I still want to get some other guys some time … but I definitely want to see our regular rotation for longer stretches,’’ Atkinson said. “We obviously want those guys playing together a lot, but we also want to see Jeremy with different guys.”

    The motion offense appears to have agreed with Lin so far. He’s averaging 15.5 points on torrid .606 shooting and .471 from 3-point range, with a team-high 18 assists.

    “I’m much better than where I was in training camp last year in terms of my shot,” Lin said. “I’m more confident in it.

    “A lot of times you’d see me passing it up or hesitating; but here I’m shooting every open 3, and that gives me more space to be able to drive the ball. It allows me to be able to play where I don’t have to be the one playing pick-and-roll every time. I can find space on the weak side and be a threat in a different way.

  • zxcvb

    The difference is that Lin isn’t standing in the corner for 25mpg once the season begins. Lin is the one in charge, so he doesn’t have to stand around and watch Kobe chuck 30 times or Kemba/Batum do a second-rate job as primary ballhandlers.

  • takeme2cruz

    …we also want to see Jeremy with different guys…..

    Message sent.

  • joy
  • psalm234

    man, I hope Lin doesn’t average 37+mpg this season.
    I’m rooting for Vasquez speedy recovery just for that reason

  • Geoffrey

    I’m riding him like Secretariat…

  • joy

    As long as they win I don’t mind to see him play long minutes for half of the season.

  • psalm234

    That would be Harden this season 40mpg lol
    but he only plays half-court so it’s fine

  • joy

    Plus he doesn’t do defense. 🙂

  • takeme2cruz

    37 min does not seem a lot but since lin plays hard nose defense it would be tough for sure.

  • psalm234

    exactly 🙂

  • joy

    Not to mention he’s the floor general, carries a huge responsibility!

  • psalm234

    as long as he doesn’t overextend himself
    I remember Kemba with a string of 40+min games that eventually resulted in the torn meniscus on the left knee.

  • psalm234

    yup, we know Lin won’t stop taking charges and chasing people around on D

  • joy

    I certainly don’t want to see that happen on Lin. A lot of his fans on his facebook have been reminding him that staying healthy is vital. I hope KA will eventually find a reliable back-up pg for Lin (someone like Livingston who back-up to Curry) and before that he’ll use Lin wisely and properly!

  • Vincent

    i would be happy with 33-35 min a game max

  • guest

    Regarding JLin and race. I respect Lin for being very careful in acknowleding how race was an issue even as a child playing basketball. He downplays his talents still, because He says Linsanity would not have happened if it wasn’t the fact he was asian, because that’s they way people viewed him and to respect his Asian fanbase. In some ways I believe that Linsanity would have happened regardless. What he did during that time with the Knicks, he BROKE RECORDS, and that had nothing to do with him being Asian, except for not getting an opportunity until then!
    Even if it wasn’t an Asian fanbase, imagine if he was African American and doing the same thing. He would have developed maybe a different fanbase, but then he would have also been labeled the next Allen Iverson, Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, or dare I say Michael Jordan after lighting up the Most popular NBA player at that time Kobe Bryant with the run that he had.

  • blueCypher

    Ya. Close to 40 is too much. Injuries and his efficiency will go down

  • occupatio

    that is one ugly watch.

  • Bauer

    Yes
    After 2 or 3 attempts

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    This ought to be one of the smartest duos in NBA.

  • Maknusia

    yup…i mentioned that yesterday…the last 2 games should be closer to the actual season rotations

  • james brown

    i see Atkinson giving JLIN all the tools needed to succeed (given the situation at hand)

  • Yura

    Nice. Can’t wait!

  • norah mackenzie

    i just don’t think that vasquez sd even be on the roster – he has had months off already and still seems uncertain on the court – if he is supposed to be lin’s backup somehow i just dont’ see it

  • Yura

    I don’t know too much about Vasquez but it is concerning that he still hasn’t fully recovered throughout preseason. Makes me question how much longer he will need to recover :/ hope he gets it together soon 🙂

  • norah mackenzie

    it is been months – and still zip – like chandler parsons from the grizzlies still hasn’t played a pre season game and they paid 94 million for him – and he is still on the bench with no fixed date as to when he is supposed to play

  • norah mackenzie

    any ideas as to who wd be a good pg backup to lin cos i really have a feeling that the nets will need it

  • norah mackenzie

    it is so cute with his name on it.

  • norah mackenzie

    i was googling and apparently jr smith did say in 2012 that his “contract” would become a locker room issue – that and carmelo’s “ridiculous” comment – i wonder what wd have happened if people had said the same abt jr’s new contract with the cavs ? talk abt double standard

  • norah mackenzie

    maybe he felt that he couldnt “defend” jr so totally either. he cd have been more assertive i guess but sometimes during interviews hard to say

  • norah mackenzie

    i think ( unpopular opinion ) that we forget that lin is a human being – he isn’t a “saint” though he comes close imho – i think we need to remember that when the knicks didn’t match the contract he lost everything he had in new york. he lost playing in a team which treated him well/he lost all his team mates who genuinely cared abt him/ he basically lost his “home” which after being waived by golden state must have been tough. to listen to people like carmelo and yes even jr smith and so many other commentators and dolan bad mouthing him must have really been painful to read or listen to – so i do understand why he wasn’t that assertive in the interview. He must have known how some people /team mates had felt about him so yeah i can understand why he wasnt’ that assertive in the interview and besides we don’t really know what actually was going on behind the scenes – i think it was like coach mike said there were 2 cliques in the team and they couldnt make it work

  • 1mtoldman

    summary update pre season stat notes

    after big games last nite kat (karl anthony towns) and steph curry vault into the ranks
    kat joins enes kanter as only 2 top 20 in both rebounding and scoring and curry joins, lin, russell, westbrook and harden as only players top 20 in both assists and scoring
    (conley falls out on scoring, lillard on assists)

    and with gallinari falling out again on lack of games played
    for the first time in preseason going into his final preseason game lin is #1 overall (has been #1 among backcourt players all preseason) in my “scoring efficiency quotient” (top 20 scorers ranked on simple formula utilizing playing time and fgas in relations to points per game)

    top five overall in order: lin, cousins, durant, klay thompson, and harden,
    backcourt in order: lin, thompson, harden, devin booker (#1 still in ppg and improving in efficiency) and curry
    frontcourt in order: cousins, durant, kawhi leonard, kat, and kanter

  • Maknusia

    JLin took a long time as well….when he moved from NYto Houston. When the season started he was not fully recovered, he was better by end of Dec, and come Jan he had a blast!

  • DanCohen

    game today?
    wheres da zamm thread

  • takeme2cruz

    Mod has full time job and family.

  • KHuang

    JIMMER by far, but he won’t be available till March.

    Yogi would absolutely be a major improvement over Vasquez, as Yogi simply plays harder and faster and smarter.

  • KHuang

    If Atkinson is thinking of using Lin to improve Greivis Vasquez’s terrible lazy disinterested play, I’m all for it.

  • DanCohen

    so do I

  • Maknusia
  • DanCohen

    gracias senor

  • psalm234
  • Maknusia

    @psalm234:disqus maybe you an merge delete the other thread…I have created one as well

  • psalm234

    I just did. Thank you 🙂
    You get to be the author since you released it first

  • Maknusia

    yours was nicer, you could paste your headings on mine…and for some reason my editing didnt appear as wanted, could you help out on the image. Thanks

  • Maknusia

    ok cool…you had freezed the other thread..

  • psalm234

    yes, I put it in draft mode & merged your content as intro to the current thread

  • Dan Ang

    Assertive to a false statement? Lin said he honestly couldn’t speculate on what JR, was thinking.

  • psalm234

    He has the most experience being a backup PG and his 3PT used to be his weapon. I think Coach KA will be more patient with him to recover because Yogi/Whitehead simply can’t be expected to run the 2nd team as rookies.

    But until then, I also don’t know who can run the 2nd team well other than Lin. Time to clone him maybe 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    Hey psalm, glad to be watching lin and posting again. This year there will be fewer controversies. Nice to see JLin have the ball. I probably will post less because of work.

    Yes, JLin’s vids are much more funny. We need a few laughs with this election.