Less Thought Is the Secret of Recent Linsanity Success

After having a horrible shooting slump  (32.5% FG% and 25% 3FG) after the All-Star Break which coincided with reduced playing time due to the arrival of Courtney Lee, Jeremy Lin had posted an impressive shooting numbers in the past 3 game  with  63% FG (25-40) with an unbelievable 87.5% 3FG (7-8)

In the 3/22 post-game interview after JLin scored 21pts following his 29pts/7rebs Linsanity performance to beat the Spurs, Jeremy was asked what his train of thought on the recent 3 game success. He pondered about it for a second and answered, “Less Thought”. He explained that 3 things:

  1. instinctual play,
  2. letting go of trying to think too much to force the shooting mechanics and
  3. trusting God

have helped him to play better.

A Spike in the Shooting % Trend

If we looked at his shooting % trend in this 2015-16 season, this spike of 62.5% FG and 87.5% 3FGM in the limited sample size of 3 games have been the best period, which might signify the beginning of a breakthrough following the worst period after the All-Star Break after his playing time was reduced with the arrival of Courtney Lee. It remains to be seen if he can carry through the high performance for the last 11 regular season games and the playoff.

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Of course, a more reasonable shooting % would be above 45-50% FG and 35% 3FG with 12+PPG especially when JLin works hard to establish on-court chemistry with Kemba Walker so both can perform well on-court.

Will Jeremy Lin be able to continue his high-level performance even when Kemba plays better? We can only hope and pray that it would be the case as he would like the Hornets to create something special in the playoff.

A deep playoff performance with Linsanity performance will be a win-win scenario for the Hornets and JLin’s offseason Free Agency. More NBA teams (including the Hornets) will offer bigger role and higher salary which works to show NBA Team’s investment in a player and how he will be used.

MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 72 vs DET

  • DX

    1st, Yeah! 3 Linsanity games in a row!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOL 2nd??? Ok Can’t post anymore. Time to go to work:-)

  • Lefon Jang

    This must be my lucky day!

  • Hans

    i feel it’s like linsanity all over again bc of how much he had struggled before the breakout game. jeremy was struggling really hard before that nets game, and he attributed the breakout to his “nothing to loose” attitude. it was just like that. mentality has always been jeremy’s biggest enemy and fuel. he overthinks and chokes himself, yet when he’s overlooked he thrives in adversity. i believe as he matures and understands his game better, he will eventually find the best mix of thinking and instinct to go far.

    funny thing. Robin Lundberg, ESPN-NY personality and long time Lin supporter, said similar thing about Carmelo Anthony. He said Melo plays best when he’s doing it on instinct. it’s true.

  • grover chang

    Cliff will bring Lin in to secure the win and then let the starters finish for the cameras. Total McHale move. He better look at the last few minutes of the Rockets-Portland series two years ago or history can repeat itself for the hornets in the playoffs.

  • blubell
  • DX

    Come back? haha

  • blubell
  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Another crack? What did he do to lose his starting job? Oh he never did start only when someone injured.

  • CJSHYY

    No, don’t think so…. I believe he has team in mind he wants to go next season. Like he said yesterday… This is a special season for me. One year only, IMO.

  • It’s very encouraging to see from JLin’s Shooting % Chart that he had 2 best shooting period in Dec (54% FG, 37% 3FG) and Feb before ASB (43% FG, 46%FG).

    He managed to overcome the shooting slump during Jan Injured Ankle period and now PostASB-Mar 17 Lee Arrival period.
    Granted, 66% FG and 88% 3FG is too high to be sustainable but if he gets above 45-50% FG and 35% 3FG with 12+PPG , it will be great! . Best case scenario might be 50%FG, 40%3FG and 17+pts/game
    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/712752190645907458

  • Darin Tanaka

    I actually don’t have much animosity towards the Hornets compared to the Rockets/Knicks/Lakers. Steve Clifford and probably Rich Cho are just playing politics. They already have invested a lot into Kemba and Batum so they need to make sure they are happy or else those two guys could easily get Clifford fired. I understand why Clifford does the things he does regarding Lin and Lamb.

    But I honestly believe that Clifford knows that Lin is a good player because he puts Lin in the game when he really needs to win. Unlike McHale or B Scott who honestly thought Beverly and Price were better players (probably due to racial bias). The Knicks I despise because of Melo and partly Dolan for letting petty jealously break apart a potentially great team for years to come.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You must have missed how much Lin played in playoff 2 years ago.

  • I agree. This sums it all

    They already have invested a lot into Kemba and Batum so they need to make sure they are happy or else those two guys could easily get Clifford fired.

    Clifford will only use JLin ($2.3M) to make Kemba ($12M/yr) and Batum ($12M/yr) look good.

    The $ investment definitely shows how the Hornets use them.
    If the Hornets is not smart enough to utilize JLin’s strength as a long-term piece, then it’s really their loss.

    If there are NBA teams willing to invest in JLin in $ salary + starting role in the off-season, they would reap the rewards of Linsanity.

    I’m not worried. God willing, there’s no stopping JLin from creating Hairsanity for the rest of the season

  • I want to do a fun Twitter Poll to give a catchy nickname for this recent #LessThought Linsanity success 🙂

    What would be the good candidates?
    1. #Unconscious Linsanity
    2. #LessThought+ #MoreHair-sanity
    3. #Linstinctive Linsanity
    4. …

    Only 4 options would be available

  • I want to do a fun Twitter Poll to give a catchy nickname for this recent #LessThought Linsanity success 🙂

    What would be the 4 good candidates?
    1. #Unconscious Linsanity
    2. #LessThought+ #MoreHair-sanity
    3. #Linstinctive Linsanity
    4. …

    Only 4 options would be available

  • grover chang

    #Linspired

  • Parent of Lots of Kids

    When i put myself in kemba, batum, or any other star’s shoes, i must admit that i would be so annoyed to have JLin be the cover boy for the organization for whom i am the franchise player.

    Isn’t that human nature and understandable?

  • yes, they should put all Kemba/Batum/JLin/MW pictures to show that it’s a team-effort for the 18-5 record.
    This is not helping JLin cause but as long as it doesn’t come from Lin, Batum and Kemba should be in good terms with JLin.

    Media can be hard to predict

  • Lin/Lee chemistry was excellent. It reminds me of Shump/Lin in NY

    @HornetsGIFs
    Two man game leading to big buckets. #LinningTowerOfThreesa https://twitter.com/HornetsGIFs/status/712758123321290752

  • CJSHYY

    I agree but what NY media care the most it’s Lin & he’s FA this summer. They hope he can come back to NY. That’s why they were line up waiting outside of Hornets lockers room. Haha!

  • Briiick

    NBA players are paid millions of $$, they are supposed to compete.

  • JoeTeam

    Professional = doing your job that you agreed to do for $ or commitment.

    So, if the job is to win, then for sure JLin is professional.

    Now, 1 to 10, rank the professionalism of the following, but no, don’t say the job is to tank. The rules say you gotta compete:

    – Woody
    – McHale
    – Morey
    – Harden
    – BSc
    – Kobe
    – Cliff
    – Cho
    – KW

    Anyway, that brings me a lot of peace, to know who’s a pro and if I want to be a pro at what I do.

  • JoeTeam

    then that implies – No Thought!

    Do, do not think … Yoda Jr.

  • JoeTeam

    Use what JLin said … no need to change it psalm.

  • @disqus_Qw9GaYTag0:disqus found interesting Passer Rating ranking: JLin #27

    @22NN4 Interesting.
    NBA Passer Rating 2015-2016:
    Batum #21
    Lin # 27
    Walker #56
    Lamb #109
    Lee #137

    https://twitter.com/22NN4/status/712714462378074113

  • #LessThought Linsanity then?

  • Joe what do you know

    Wonder how they rank this thing. And I bet the stats does not take touches vs passes into consideration. Otherwise Lin would’ve been much higher than Batum…

  • LOL It’s pretty crazy to think about it

    some players just don’t think
    But the Ivy-Leaguer needs to think less .. which makes sense in a way

  • TTNN

    exactly. Like Kemba or Melo might think about they work hard, they got good stats, and they have good game after good game, but Lin will need just one good game, and he will be on magazine cover everywhere, whereas Kemba might have 50 pt game, or average 25 a game and still no noise…….

  • Excellent praises by Kemba, Batum and Cliff for JLin
    (“phenomenal”, “He did it again; we wouldn’t have won the game if he didn’t step up again”, “catalyst”)

    Linsanity II: Jeremy Lin leading surging Hornets on playoff push

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Perhaps this is the start of Linsanity II.

    Hornets guard Jeremy Lin is heating up and surging Charlotte is blazing a trail to its second playoff appearance in three seasons under coach Steve Clifford.

    Lin scored 15 of his 29 points in the fourth quarter Monday to lead the Hornets back from a 23-point deficit to beat San Antonio – the largest lead surrendered by the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era. Lin followed that with another strong performance on Tuesday night, scoring 21 points in a win over Brooklyn.

    Michael Jordan’s Hornets (41-30) now find themselves in a three-way tie with Boston and Atlanta for the fourth best record in the Eastern Conference, just a half-game behind third place Miami.

    Lin is a major reason why.

    Acquired in the offseason via free agency, Lin is averaging 11.8 points and 2.9 assists per game for the Hornets in a reserve role.

    Ordinary numbers compared to his history, but he’s stepped up his play the last two games, hitting 63 percent (19 of 30) from the field, including 5 of 6 from beyond the arc. He’s scoring in a variety of ways – long jumpers, drives to basket and on fast breaks. He’s also added nine rebounds and six assists, while providing a spark coming off the bench.

    “He’s been phenomenal,” Hornets point guard Kemba Walker said.

    When the Hornets trailed 30-7 to the Spurs in the second quarter, it was Lin who helped turn the momentum providing energy off the bench. He penetrated into the lane, which in turned opened up the offense

    “Jeremy was the catalyst,” Clifford said. “In the first quarter, we were just shooting. The ball wasn’t getting into the paint. And he got the ball going to the basket.”

    Lin hit 3-pointers in the fourth quarter and a 16-foot fall away jumper with 48 seconds left to give the Hornets the lead for good.

    He said the win over the Spurs was a confidence builder for him.

    “I think being comfortable and not thinking as much on the court and letting the ball fly and having fun,” Lin said of the difference in his game. “Shots are going in and I think that helps me, helps open up my drive.”

    Forward Nicolas Batum said Lin has been “huge” for the Hornets.

    “He did it (Monday) night in the second quarter to give us life, and he did it again (Tuesday) night,” Batum said. “I don’t think we would have won that game if he didn’t step up again for us.”

    Lin is no stranger to carrying a team.

    He did so back in 2012, when as an unheralded player out of Harvard he took Madison Square Garden by storm with a series of outstanding games for the New York Knicks. He became an international sensation, and wound up on Time magazine’s list of Top 100 most influential people of the year.

    The media attention isn’t what it was in New York, but three teams later Lin appears to have found a home in Charlotte where he says “I love playing with this group of guys.”

    Charlotte has won 17 of its last 21 games to break free from the pack in the East and vault into playoff contention.

    Once a team that viewed simply making the playoffs as a goal, the Hornets now have a realistic shot to host a playoff series.

    “We learned a lot about ourselves, and we just want to keep seeing what we can do,” Lin said. “That’s what coach has always been telling us. We don’t know what our ceiling is and we don’t want to say what our ceiling is because we don’t know.

    “We’re just going to keep fighting, keep playing and stick with the process.”
    Link: http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/03/23/linsanity-ii-jeremy-lin-leading-surging-hornets-on-playoff-push/

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s the culture not human nature. Many good people do share the spotlight with teammates.

  • zxcvb
  • zxcvb

    Talk is cheap! Sounds like they’re trying to kiss up last minute so he re-signs with them.

    HECK NO. You can’t mistreat a guy for 60 games and then act like you appreciate him. The harsh benching after the CLE game was the last straw for me (and for Lin, judging by his behavior/”slump”).

    Goodbye Charlotte. Enjoy Kemba Ball and missing the playoffs next season.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Amare Stoudemire said sometimes you gotta enjoy someone’s success. Lin’s success and his rise to the top is through his winning plays

  • zxcvb

    If they let Lin be a real 6th man as promised, I wouldn’t be angry at all.
    But they didn’t do that. Not even after MKG went down TWICE.

  • Joe what do you know

    Someone has #7 jersey in Nets?

  • zxcvb

    Joe Johnson did, but he’s gone now. This is just the photo I found via Google!

  • CJSHYY
  • Hans

    it does. and Lee is even a more mature/experienced veteran than Shump. I really love Lee, it’s a great acquisition by Cho.

  • Yascar

    Hornets #6 just behind the Cavs. Jeremy gets a nice mention.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/nba-power-rankings-near-end-of-season-2015-12

  • K

    Kemba is paid how many millions?

  • occupatio

    actually mchale used lin quite a bit when the team was down. and then took him out when they were up again. that happened.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Love it… vs Spurs it’s really good game for Lin. Haha!

    ” The Hornets are one of the hottest teams in the NBA lately. They showed their legitimacy in a big win over the San Antonio Spurs Monday night, boosted by Jeremy Lin’s 15-point fourth quarter. “

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Alex to Morey: Try the poison pill. Literally.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin/Lee/Lamb are the Triple L’s of Death!!

  • LinMad

    change that Y into an I

  • LinMad

    who would have thought that the Hornets would rank higher than Thunder, Hawks, Clippers this year. What a big improvement to the roster. I’m just happy Lin is on a team that ranks higher than Rockets, Knicks, Lakers.

  • CaliUSMC

    Toronto, San Antonio, and Washington needs to win tonight!!

  • DX

    Only 28 min. Wall had 5 TOs and average is 4.1 TOs. WoW

  • CaliUSMC

    Wizards are so bad compared to last year..

  • DX

    Yes, and Pelicans, Bulls.

  • DX

    Wizards looks bad, maybe they all lose.

  • KWC

    Utah is really bad too.

  • kauaiblue

    Why san ant?

  • kauaiblue

    Overrated. He reminds.me of walker.

  • CaliUSMC

    Toronto – playing Boston… SA – playing Miami… Washington – playing Atlanta..
    See the correlation!

  • kauaiblue

    Get outta there jlin!

  • kauaiblue

    Pick on him, try to keep him down… yet, he still rises to the top… nothing to reaent about that! Jlin should be the face oth the franchise, not whoever else!

  • kauaiblue

    Dam right he should be a starter.

  • kauaiblue

    Oh ok!

  • CaliUSMC

    It’s a race to 3rd place! ;O

  • Joe what do you know

    Just had a thought. I kind of want to see JLin in Celtics jersey next year…. Brad Stevens, Harvard connection, biggest rival to Lakers…. Sounds like an interesting mix of stories. Problem is the logjam at the guard position…

  • DX

    It barely happen since Boston did well so far.

  • Whitman Lam

    Wall is a high turnover + high assist player like Westbrook. But NBA GMs only care about the latter.

  • John Focker

    Overrated yes, but he’s taller and passes a LOT more than Walker.

  • John Focker

    My thoughts exactly!!!

  • DX

    Like Batum, but the team rank shows the real thing.

  • John Focker

    I really appreciate your use of the hyphen for re-sign, for the word “resign” means something else entirely.

    Hornets will revert to Bobcats under Kemba’s leadership once Lin is gone.

  • John Focker

    Batum gets PG duties, while Lin gets “SG in the corner” duties most of the time. But despite that Lin still leaves Walker in the dust and out of rear view mirror.

  • kauaiblue

    Theyre both boring too!

  • CaliUSMC

    Looks like Hornets and Heat are tied for 5th!

  • Whitman Lam

    Toronto lost because they rested Lowry, San Antonio is winning so far, Washington lost because the Hawks are just too deep.

  • Whitman Lam

    Hawks are playing unbelievable basketball right now. I think they’ll take that 3rd seed.

  • Whitman Lam

    Cyanide rat poison pill for Morey.

  • K

    Don’t b fooled again.

  • John Focker

    Please someone remind Clifford who helped Hornets beat the Heat.

  • your son’s voltaire

    rox down by 1 with 1.6 seconds left to play. they have the ball…

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • CJSHYY
  • your son’s voltaire

    what is Jeremy Lin’s music? all he does is Win Win Win?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Horray! Utah won the game over Rox! 89 vs 87. Can’t be happier. Officially knock Rox out of playoffs seed for now???!!!

  • your son’s voltaire

    can’t wait for the shakeup. Les make me proud!!

  • CJSHYY

    Wow! Really? Utah is great… haha!

  • sport

    Forget the Heat, Remind him who beat the Cavs as their starting PG without Al and Kemba!

  • sport

    Awesome I hope they miss playoffs entirely those selfish ex teammates and racist clutchfans deserves it!

  • GameWatcher

    It’s that Rocky tune!

  • dave lam

    Good topic. I think athletics call it the “zone” when there is very little conscious thought while playing every move is instinctive and not forced or contrived
    Linsanity was like that. Just reacting and play ball not worrying about making mistakes This lead to the confidence of making tough buckets and not thought of how tough it is to make buckets
    Man must “get out of his own way” to reach his unlimited potential
    One way is believing and trusting in a higher power so one cannot block in his own path to glory
    Grateful to join all the JLin fans into a
    spiritual journey through the playoffs 2016
    God Bless

  • sport

    Lee is a team player and makes great passes and is quick with his decisions on offense.

  • blubell
  • CJSHYY

    Now I know why Spurs is upset Lin beat them… Heat 88: Spurs112.

  • Rick Johnson

    ATL, MIA, BOS all 42 – 30. Charlotte better win Friday to keep from falling behind. Cliffs fault for benching Lin in the 4th against Detroit. Could have won that.

  • grover chang

    Spurs announcer saying spurs have regained their focus after the Charlotte hornet game. They did such a good job on walker but the let Lin go hog wild.

  • grover chang

    Ditto, if they beat Denver they would be #3 already.

  • John Focker

    Plenty of similar examples, starting with the two Hawks games and the first loss to Bulls early in the season.

  • John Focker

    The game made a HUGE mark and hopefully translate into interest in the offseason.

    I mean, which team in the right state of mind wouldn’t want a PG who can beat the Cavs AND the Spurs?

  • blueCypher

    Mike D’antoni team please 🙂

  • John Focker

    Nets hiring D’Antoni and Lin would make my day…make that my YEAR. Sticking it to Dolan on a regular basis, and NY press would have a picnic every day! If the Russian dude was smart…

  • blueCypher

    Any team that gives him starting role , but of course Mike D’antoni is the best option

  • BobbyH

    LOOOOOOOOL

  • John Focker

    Jeremy needs even more of this type of publicity in preparation for the offseason. Hopefully he’s fully unleashed by MJ’s desire to go farther in the playoffs.

  • kauaiblue

    Thats right, baby!

  • John Focker

    YES!!! Jazz beat the lowly Rox and kicked them into 9th spot…karma strikes again!!!

    http://45.media.tumblr.com/24f227db7cba2103a803716a8e49ed98/tumblr_mx0axpQdur1qj0bt2o5_r1_250.gif

  • blubell
  • Lam

    Why don’t the Spurs turn the poacher into the gamekeeper? Get Lin into the team!

  • Maknusia

    finally they realize and notice it! lol…we had been sayin all along Lin plays well against big names, and one of it had always been against Spurs!

  • Maknusia

    lol…but I think white doesn’t suit him well…but hack..a.s long as they start him, give him the ball…I’m fine

  • John Focker

    Sixers leading Nuggets 102-101 with 10 secs left in the game.

    It’d be hilarious (and not to mention get Clifford in even more heat) if Sixers beat the Nuggets, whom a Kemba-led Hornets lost to with Lin being benched.

  • your son’s voltaire

    was just wondering who else scores around 30 points against the completely healthy Spurs

  • Briiick

    What separates a super star from an average pro is the jump of performance at clutch times when facing tough competitors. You won’t find much difference between them during practice.

  • John Focker

    Here’s hoping they think like Microsoft: if you can’t beat them, you buy them!

  • Maknusia

    pretty sure couple of them had 🙂

  • HVJoy

    ha ha. Lin is the team firefighter, consultant, stats-donor, decoy, statue of linberty… now poacher! Thank you for a good chuckle.

  • Maknusia

    sweet!

  • AlexBB

    Just like Joseph son of Jacob (in Bible). Brother jealous and sold to slavery but later become Prime Minister in Egypt

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Curry 37, Westbrook 33, Ryan Anderson 30.

  • CJSHYY

    But I am sure they took more shots & more min than Lin.

  • John Focker

    Dang it, Sixers lost by one. Here’s hoping Lakers and Mavs both lose tonight (both currently trailing Suns and Blazers, respectively).

  • Maknusia

    BTW, Clippers keeping it close against Warriors

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Anderson 33 min 21 attps, Wbrook 37 min 23 attps, Curry 28 min 20 attps.

  • CJSHYY

    Only Curry had few min than Lin but more shots.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    and GS lost too.

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! I see. So Lin is still the best among them vs Spurs. Haha!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He’s still the thorn in their eyes. But the target on his back just got bigger. Thanks God those Spurs are no dirty players.

  • Whitman Lam

    Does this mean Rockets lose their 1st round draft pick? The one they used to “steal” their savior Ty Lawson away from Nuggets ?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    If Dallas loses this game against Portland, it ties with Utah with both 35-36 and Houston is 35-37. Seem like the competition is tight between #6-9 in the west and seeding #3-6 and which teams can make it between #7-10 in the East. With only 11-12 games left in the seasons, the competition remains high in all those teams.

  • C Chan

    I was at the Nets game yesterday. After the big win vs Spurs, Jeremy looked relax until the 3rd quarter after the lead was blown. Clifford was a little different from the previous games, didn’t yell at Lin or call play as often as before. Not much to say about the players except for Jeremy Lamb. He was very supportive, stood up to cheer for teammates almost every shot. He looked very upset walking back to the bench after being subbed out the 4th quarter. Even though he was not happy, he’s still as supportive as before, stood up most of the time, blocking my view of that important JLin long 2 pointer with his foot on the line, and the celebration with Kemba after the shot. The atmosphere was good near the end of the game. A lot of people in my section cheer for JLin.

  • aras

    lol Wall is a fantastic pointguard dont ever compare him with walker there is nothing that shows they play the same way.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks for the report. Glad to see Cliff has treated JLin better this game:-)

  • Whitman Lam

    For the Lakers: Losing more games means Winning in the Draft Lottery. They really are that pathetic.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOL Really funny to see more people are making fun of JH defensive now. I have fun to watch this.
    https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/712678786135891968

  • John Focker

    The secret that Morey was trying hard to contain within Houston has now gotten out…and it’s trending!

  • John Focker

    Thanks for the report! I agree with what Joyce said in the last thread about something happened after the loss to the Nuggets.

  • rookie75094

    Yeah …check out the shaq a fool thing…..hilllaaarrriiioouuss

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I did and just watched this pile up JH’s great defensive plays even funnier. He is really being disposed now. He becomes the laughing stock in NBA.

  • Maknusia

    I guess it’s a good medicine then

  • aras

    wall is not overrated wth? he is a 20/10 guy how is that overrated,,,,smh

  • K

    They tried to stop Lin but failed. They did not give Lin free ride.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep!!!! So mean of me:-)

  • blubell
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOL Always can hope….

  • John Focker

    JH’s being exposed now…hopefully disposed soon, along with Morey. LOL

  • LinMad

    dang that’s a 9 hour road trip from NY to Detroit.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks for the correction. Guess I still dispose much better:-)

  • blubell
  • CJSHYY

    MJ is really cheap….

  • sws94

    Bus to plane.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lol

  • John Focker

    You were thinking along the right line, Houston DOES need to get some overdue disposal done! And I’d like to throw Beverley in there too.

  • CJSHYY
  • heart

    Do you know that Lin, Lee, Lamb, Daniels were all former Rox guards? NB and Lamb were drafted by Rox. Lee were drafted by Orlando Magic when Cliff was Assistant Coach. Cliff knew Lee from Magic.

  • John Focker

    Such a dilemma! Trying to determine whether the Lakers’ situation is a winning or losing one. LOL

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Stop blaming the question for your answer. Not awkward.

    What’s the full quote?

  • Maknusia

    Lol…eat your greens…at least it’s colorful

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I had a “little” disagreement with PFV on JLin’s one. He defended Cliff to no end. I just had to let go. He really got my nerve for continue praising Cliff to no end. I stop listening to most of his game analysis now. Basically Paul said Martin the reporter asked awkward question. No fault on Cliff’s answer. I totally disagree with him.

  • Thank you for sharing!
    It is featured so more people can appreciate you game update 🙂

    Great to know many NY fans cheered for JLin & hear about the team chemistry which should help JLin and teammates in the playoff push. Great playoff means great Free Agency for JLin :]

  • heart

    It scares me that he declares to be NBA expert…

  • Warren
  • Maknusia

    what is said been said…
    what is quote been quoted…
    Lets move on 🙂

  • cdblue10

    LOL

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Last season I sensed about BS even in preseason but he said not to worry about it. I chatted with him in private and brought my concerns to him. Later on he agreed that I was right in my assessment on BS. When this season began, I became quite discomfort with Cliff and listened to his “praise” about Cliff… I just didn’t bother to talk it out with him as I had limited time and I have my own life to live with. I know much better about NBA after following JLin closely for the past 4 seasons. I make my own judgment based on what I’ve observed…..

  • cdblue10

    We have the best NBA experts here in this forum…THE FANS!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I have but Paul like to tell people how to think.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I invented cellphone. Lol

  • Ben Johnson

    “With New York desperately looking for an upgrade at the point guard position, Lin
    will be pursued by the team in free agency, per league sources.”

    Who the he!! are these “league sources”?

  • cdblue10

    If Dolan will apologized to Lin and all the fans(Knicks fans) that are dedicated to this team,prolly Lin would consider it.

  • Ben Johnson

    Dolan could plow over JLin’s entire family in his Rolls Royce, and he
    would still never apologize to JLin for anything, the guy is the biggest
    jerk in New York!

  • heart

    Use our own judgement is best since we follow Lin closely and understand his faith and background. We may not know all NBA genre/stats, etc. but we can discern very quickly if something is not right.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lol. Funny that I stop clicking on those junk website called themselves news.

  • cdblue10

    Just a scenario,how about if Dolan will personally call Lin and apologized?Would you consider Lin to go back to NYK?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yes, he’s not an insider getting access to the locker room. He’s just like us watch on the web.

  • John Focker

    How far has he ever taken the Wizards? And overrated because 1) a coddled PG under a catering system will always have pretty numbers, even James Harden and Kemba Walker. Heck, even Kendall Marshall averaged double digits assists for a while under D’Antoni, what counts is how far said PG can elevate his teammates and go the distance in playoffs; and 2) I’m comparing him to Jeremy.

  • PPP

    Its lottery protected.

  • Ben Johnson

    If Dolan personally called JLin and apologize, he should definitely return to NY, no question…unless MDA gives him an offer that is 😀

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good that you stopped wasting your time. Save those minutes so you can be here better.

  • cdblue10

    Or maybe,how about if the supporters of Knicks will beg just for him to come back in the mecca of basketball?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes, because of my profession, I’m much better in reading people than all those NBA jargons and plays. I trust my own instinct when it comes to “people.” Having said that, I always checked out what I sensed with facts to be good in assessment of people of all kinds. I don’t base my judgment on what the person said but more on their demeanor….

  • Ben Johnson

    No apology, no deal, hehe

  • cdblue10

    Me too…as long as Dolan would not personally call Lin,then it’s a NO,NO!!!lol

  • heart

    My motto: Actions + words= motive (good or bad).

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks! Actually I’m working for the past few hours but since I’m working with computer — to check the Window, Driver installation…. I’m free in between while the computer is running. That’s why I have time for this:-) Soon I will have very very little time left to watch live game nor spend time in computer….

  • Joe what do you know

    Just curious, Dolan or Trump?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Me too. I sometimes open a separate screen for this. haha.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Trump is a much bigger one.

  • cdblue10

    Neither

  • John Focker

    bigger in what way, size-wise?

  • cdblue10

    Like the Colorado river

  • Joe what do you know

    I have a feeling Dolan might want to build a wall between Manhattan and Brooklyn, and get the Brooklynites to pay for it….

  • DX

    Don’t know if anyone has posted yet.

    https://youtu.be/qc_WyNt_If4

  • Briiick

    Dolan doesn’t need to say anything if he offers a franchise contract and sends Melo away.

  • CJSHYY

    I didn’t watch his video for a long time… just read some of his tweets.

  • cdblue10

    18-20m per,hmnnnn…

  • kauaiblue

    Ill take ur word for it… jlin crushes both, yet he is relegated to 2nd class…

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Any idea why JLin was the one who did this???
    https://twitter.com/andrwschneider/status/712418778726932481

  • JoeTeam

    yep, JLin has always taken on too much. Just go into the seam and win games.

  • JoeTeam

    yes sir! that’s new and different enough.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Teams send their own rep in every game. Just a procedure I think.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    jerk.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I know but why JLin?? Thought it’s the team captain/franchise hero job.

  • JoeTeam

    amazing seats you had! Thanks for the writeup it was nice to be there all the day out here in CA.

  • JoeTeam

    yes, Pops said they had no way to defend Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Wow strong words from B Smith.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Harvard man knows his math and physic.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    BTW the the team third best option Mr. elite Patrick Beverley scored 5 pts in 32 min today.

  • real-dsb

    Yep, Lin performs his best when he is carefree and not overthinking. If Lin sustains this level for the rest of the season and into the playoffs, he will have lots of options next year.

  • real-dsb

    no

  • takemeback2reaganyears
  • blueCypher

    2016 playoffs start april 16. Less than a month away

  • John Focker

    How is that NOT an apology? LOL

  • John Focker

    Linsanity happened because of an IDGAF situation, so mentally going back to the starting point might not be such a bad idea.

  • John Focker

    For all we know C Chan could be a filthy rich mini-tycoon from Brooklyn. LOL

  • your son’s voltaire

    Robin Lundberg talks about Lin on his show today
    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?id=15048326&s=la

  • blueCypher

    What time

  • your son’s voltaire

    it’s a replay

  • blueCypher

    I mean what time on the podcast

  • Rick Johnson

    It’s at about 5:30

  • blueCypher

    Cool thanks

  • Rick Johnson

    ATL, BOS, MIA & Charlotte are all within a 1/2 game of each other for 3-6 seed. Cliff can’t afford to drop another game like to Detroit by benching Lin too much. Hope Jeremy continues to play well, gets plenty of minutes and his shot keeps clicking.

  • Lefon Jang

    Hmmmmm…maybe he chose the flat one so he can shoot better 🙂

  • Joe what do you know

    Pretty sure Clyde at the commentator table is their third best option.

  • John Focker

    As long as Jeremy gets reasonable amount of touches instead of standing in the corner, it’s hard for him NOT to do well, especially with his new shooting form setting in. Oh, and keeping the on-court backstabbing to a minimum like in the last two games.

    The loss to Nuggets right after beating the Heat must’ve really set off something…or someone. *wink*

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Listened to the interview, Cliff did say Batum really made Jeremy lin play well again tonight.

  • John Focker

    Really more like the other way around. Cliff is either really dumb (unlikely) or brown-nosing really hard (most likely).

  • ViNuyork

    i would go tap dancing in d Brooklyn bridge 🙂 🙂

  • Rick Johnson

    Getting close though. Cliff can’t afford to throw away anymore games for Kemba to stat pad. To get anywhere in the playoffs they need to get #3 or 4 to get home court advantage since they play so much better at home than on the road.

  • Lam

    Off topic – For a few of us here who might have given up hope on Lin becoming a superstar here’s a real life story. A bricklayer(no Harvard degree), playing in the amateur-league a few years ago, now England striker at age 29 , top striker in Premier league this season, on a team with 5000:1(0.02%!!!!) odds of becoming champion but that is now 7 matches away from just doing that, in the biggest upset in team sports history.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/3rwem0/jamie_vardy_the_factory_worker_who_became_top/

  • Maknusia

    You still haven’t given up on it…aren’t you

  • John Focker

    Dear Mods, a post of mine got locked up, not sure why. Please help.

  • Rick Johnson

    It’s going to be hard to overtake Miami. There next 4 games are Magic / Nets / Lakers / Kings. Don’t see them losing to any of those teams. Boston will be having a rough patch with Suns / Clippers / Trail Blazers / Warriors coming up so I could see the Hornets moving ahead of the Celtics. Atlanta also more difficult schedule with Bucks / Pistons / Bulls / Raptors / Cavs. If the Hornets can win their next 4 Pistons / Bucks / 76ers / 76ers they will probably be behind Miami at the 4th seed.

  • Maknusia

    let me check

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I want to make sure that guy called himself expert does not mislead his followers.

  • Maknusia

    everyone has their perception and interpretations…I will leave it at that 🙂

  • Maknusia

    maybe because wrong choice of word?

    Mods any comments?
    @jlin_fan_from_australia:disqus @real_dsb:disqus

  • John Focker

    My original post was OK. Then I edited and added “Jeanie Buss giving little Jimmy the boot.” and got Disqus’d.

  • blubell

    Must be disqus issue then.

  • yes, if you re-edit quickly or write consecutive posts, Disqus can put them in pending thinking it’s a delicious spam :]

    It’s freed now

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Well I did what I have to until someone brings up again

  • Maknusia

    hmmm @johnfocker73:disqus should change to John Spammer then! 🙂 lol…kiddin kiddin

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Oops didn’t see this post until now. Glad the matter has been resolved:-)

  • Experimenting with JLin Saiyan effect with eyes on the Free-Agency playoff!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    This pic was taken from JLin interview after Nets game. Look at his left elbow. WOW! Amazed with his endurance of pain.
    https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/12718397_981515811926827_3789833282346123324_n.jpg?oh=2f6abb6b33d766ab1b116fb45109f12a&oe=577AFB5D

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Compare this pic (in game) and below pic (post game). It’s huge difference between the two.
    https://twitter.com/jain0517/status/712911645417218048

  • John Focker

    No SPAM for you…ONE YEAR!!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Didn’t pay attention to JLin’s elbow until I saw the pic. Here is the link:
    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/channel/postgame_interviews

  • Maknusia

    🙁 sob sob

  • Nitron
  • Marie Simon

    Can’t catch up reading all Lin’s articles, he is indeed the most polarize bb player in NBA! Pls. Lin, try to sustain your shooting:)

  • joyce ward

    I liked what the guy posted that went to the Brooklyn Nets game about Cliff not yelling at Lin and not calling plays as much. To me this infers that there has been some interference from the FO on Cliff on how he treats Lin. Perhaps that’s why his little shade comments about Lin was his way of getting back at the FO.LOL

  • KL

    I have always thought that MJ has nothing against Lin. Kemba’s shoe deal is probably just small change to MJ (especially since Kemba is not a real star).

    But Clifford and Cho could be worried that certain players may get them fired directly or indirectly by deliberately tanking and then they get fired cause of the losing.

  • Res 683

    When faced with almost insurmountable odds, like being down 23 pts against the best defensive team in the NBA, you can choose either fight or flight. Lin is a fighter. Clifford had nothing to lose and released the reins. Lin’s instincts took over and he showed the world, in his words, he still “knows how to play the game,” i.e. at the Linsanity level.

    Lin still has hopes of being a starter again because he knows he is better than many, if not the majority, of the current PGs. It’s like when a less qualified colleague is promoted ahead of you — and Lin has been a fighting against being marginalized his entire career. He took a step back this season (accepting $2 mil) to work on his game, including modifying his shot. Lin calls this an investment, indicating he is still looking towards the future. Now he is a bonafide two-way player along with being a proven floor general. He is 27 but has not had the wear and tear of many younger NBA players. Kemba, for example, who is two years younger has played in about a quarter more minutes than Lin. And the question is not whether Lin can play alongside a player like Kemba, but if he can be the “Kemba” on another team. And the answer is yes. Lin just needs at least one GM to recognize that he is better than the team’s current starter.

    With only 11 games remaining and the playoffs ahead, I think Lin will continue to play freely. And Clifford is focused on securing home court advantage for the playoffs, so he will give Lin more freedom to play his game. Because he now knows, if he didn’t know before the Spurs game (and I suspect he already knew), that Lin is a difference maker and clutch when given the opportunity.

  • wu kong

    say what you will but this stuff was a favorite of mine when I was a little kid. Not sure what grandma did to it but ooohhhh DELICIOUS! ha ha. Picture= Pavlovian response

  • joyce ward

    Well if they are depending on Batum/Walker saving them, then they are dead in the water. Those two are 50/50 when they are trying to win. So perhaps Cho/Cliff got a wake up call after that Denver game..LOL

  • donsmacau

    I would love to believe that Clifford and MJ/Cho are focused on home court and will allow JLIN significant playmaking duties as in Nets 2nd half.

    However, IMO Cho/Hornets desperately wish to re-sign JLIN as their permanent, perpetual backup to Kemba thus any added prominence earned when JLIN displays his stellar talents only serves to attract attention of NBA teams and that is not in Cho’s interest.

    But I hope you’re correct, I hope they realize JLIN cannot be contained on Hornets Bench beyond just this season so unleash JLIN and let’s see how deep he can help team into playoffs. After all, JLIN only player who has proven he can lead Hornet wins against NBA elites.

    At same time, wouldn’t be surprised if they try to hide him again.

  • Sesshie

    Hornets probably already know JLin is going to leave after this season, but right now is crunch time fighting for a better playoff spot. Even if JLin is a rental, it would be good for players who will stay, as well as the coach, to get some good playoff experience. Hopefully the politics game is put on temporary hold so JLin can get a few more games of showcasing.

  • aras

    So chris paul is overrated because he cant take the clippers through the second round? even though his team is way better than the wizards. So by your example Chris paul is a overrated player even though he is carrying his team. John wall is 1 person. one person cant take a team to the promise land unless you are lebron. It takes a whole team especially during the playoffs. how do you measure overrated? Wall is Easily a top 10 PG in this league and any team would want to have him.

    And oh yeah his stats during the playoffs Were real good aswell so i’d say he elevated his game pretty damn well.

  • Spot

    Vardy!!!

    Anyway, the most talented is Mahrez but their manager, Claudio Ranieri, is one of my favourite coach.

  • Maknusia

    I think even in the game its swollen…if you zoom…you could see the swellings…probably the angle is bad….anyways…most likely from a drive to the basket fall? Hope it heals quickly and not bothering his shooting!

  • Spot

    Jeremy knows they have Kemba. Hopefully he will have his team one day…

    Let’s what happens in Philly this summer

  • Spot

    They’re either trying to climb up the ranking and convince Jeremy he will have more touches next year.

  • HVJoy

    Great points! May fighter Lin play freely with “less thought” and sufficient play time for the next 11 games!

  • Lam

    yeah, hope the tinker man wins a trophy this time. If Lin was a footballer he wouldn’t be facing all this nba politics shat.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here is a list of the 11 remaining games for the Hornets, going forward :

    @ Detroit / @ Milwaukee / @ Philadelphia / vs Philadelphia / @ Cleveland / @ Toronto / @ Knicks
    vs Brooklyn / @ Washington / @ Boston / vs Orlando

    Here is a prediction of where they could finish depending on the number of games they win. If they can win 8 or more, they appear well-placed to get home court advantage. If they win 5 of 11, they’ll probably end up in 5th or 6th spot. Click to enlarge.

    See : http://www.playoffstatus.com/nba/hornetswhatif.html
    __________

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So well written. Bravo.

  • DX

    Depend on Lin’s performance, will be 4 to 9 WIN.

  • KHuang

    Lin’s shooting technique is the ONLY reason for his vastly improved play.

    Gone are the wrong angle corkscrewing flinging releases that Doc Scheppler taught Lin to do.

    Now Lin is bending his legs properly and using his body to shoot. Lin’s no longer jumping into the air, twisting as he lines up, and then wildly flinging a flat curveball with a sideways rotation.

    Lin says that he now uses his legs less. That’s true from the standpoint that he’s no longer jumping as high on shots as he used to. But to me, Lin is using his legs MORE in his shot because he’s now shooting a fluid one motion jumpshot by bending his knees more than he ever has.

  • KHuang

    When Lin shoots like this, there’s nothing that his own coach can do to stop him.

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think that is the case….BUT don care…LOL he is making shots!!!

  • KHuang

    But it is TRUE.

    Batum was having a crap game before Lin entered, and Batum playing badly was what allowed Lin to stay in the game long enough to put up great stats.

  • james brown

    and his shooting and stamina was not affected by it!!!

    i just hope that KW funk is not correlated to jlin aggressiveness and assertions!

  • rookie75094

    I want to see dolan apologize for being a petty little jimmy and Melo grovel and beg Jlin to comback….. then and only then…. I want Jlin to sign with the Nets….hehe

  • GameWatcher

    Make sure stickum on the balls.

  • Brent Yen

    Let’s just go and win all 11 games…LOL

  • Bulldog

    Lin’s shoot curve are much higher recently. More efficient and effortless.

  • sws94

    It’s his off elbow, but yeah, he looks pretty beat up.

  • KHuang

    But Lin’s technique LOOKS completely different.

    His feet are at a different angle, he’s not jumping as high, he’s bending his knees more, he’s turned more to the left, his right elbow is lined up with the rim where it was off to the side before, and his follow through is straight and extended unlike the recent past when Lin didn’t get full extension.

  • KHuang

    If Lin doesn’t revert to Doc Scheppler’s form, then winning all 11 is VERY possible.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    To tell you the truth, I’m not seeing that much differencde in his shooting style…..I really think that changing his shooting flaws was always going to be a bad idea since you have to remind yourself to use the new technique and as a shooter, you can’t be thinking about it too much…too much thinking will mess you up.

    I think the reason Lin is shooting better is because he’s no longer thinking much and just letting the ball fly….Should had never go through all the shooting changes in the first place…Should had used the time to work on ball-handling, and floaters.

  • TTNN

    Faster release. That 4 pt play he had in Spurs game, he would not be able to release it on time and hit it before though.

  • Brent Yen

    I think it is necessary to change for the better. BUT….I do not think his “Changes” are all visible.

  • Brent Yen

    Maybe change a phrase, he releases it earlier than he could before…LOL Because of less jumping and less hitch.

  • Alain Gervais

    come on man Lin himself said what he changed why debate it.

  • TTNN

    with my untrained eyes, I still think his shot is different. If you go back to his previous years highlight, and it does look different. Feel more strong when you see it in real life. I mean i went to his game against Warriors, and watch him practice and the first feeling is that he shot differently compare to his previous years. I think on TV, it is limited by the camera angle it might not feel that much though.

  • Brent Yen

    I agree that his mechanics improved a lot….I am on the Pro-Doc side…LOL

  • cdblue10

    Simple explanation is he’s making his shot

  • Alain Gervais

    Why do you have to insult someone who simply has a different point of view

  • TTNN

    oh, me too. don’t get why people think this change is not Doc’s work, Lin still work with Doc, and his 3pt shooting has increased every year, that started when he was working with Doc.

    Also, change shooting form is not new to Lin, he did that in the summer before Linsanity…….

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Less Thought Is the Secret of Recent Linsanity Success. That’s the tittle of this thread.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin has said this new shooting form will take time to work and now the time has come.

  • Brent Yen

    It takes time to figure it out, it just the inconsistent role was delaying it…The slump will still come IMO….just will be less frequent and less time to snap it

  • Brent Yen

    LOL…thanks for bringing the topic back…

  • KHuang

    It would take injury to cause a shooting slump in Lin at this point in his career.

    NBA observers say that it takes 6-7 years for a NBA player to really peak out in talent. Well, that’s Lin right here right now.

  • Brent Yen

    WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin’s shooting form before the change. Free flowing, rhythmic, high arc, a poetry in motion. I can’t understand the change either!

    https://youtu.be/vG5Lp8O_LCQ

  • Bulldog

    The Rockets fail the post season. D Howard leaves in this summer. The Hornets win the next 11 games with Lin’s explosive performances and lose to the Cavs in game 6 in conference finals. Lin opts out and signs a 4 year 60m contract with the Sixers or the Nets. Then Charlotte becomes a lottery team again after Lin gone.
    This is my prophecy for the next 8 months.

  • Grace

    Nice comment by Brooklyn123netts on Mar 24, 2016 | 1:07 PM at http://www.atthehive.com/2016/3/24/11296232/jeremy-lin-has-stepped-up-just-as-the-charlotte-hornets-needed-him-to

    Right now, Lin is the finished product

    At point guard and point management. Right now. He can right away bring the team into pace. He can see the entire floor on the break. He can slow it up and play the clock by trawling keeping his dribble all clock. He can draw 2 and find the man whos man doubled — at the arc or other side of the rim and even a blind wrap around.

    He brillaintly knows how to move wo the ball, get it back and then dime. He knows where everyone is. He sees plays before they unfold and makes great decisions. Can make free throws. Can throw lobs, back doors when as many are avilable, alley oops. He understands the point guard position and the 2 man and 3 man game. I had no idea he knew the 3man game and i dont think the Spurs did either.

    Hes a Spur. He has a bb iq thats off the charts. Who stops his dribble drive penetration? Hes 6 ft 4. This has zero to do w anyone else. Dont try to make it as such or any notion of begging a contrary view. This kid can flat out play and will probably start somewhere. He has improved from when i saw him in Nyc.He makes players— all of them better.

  • sws94

    And various off of the dribble moves. He can continue to work some on shooting, just add more time or prioritize more to the ball-handling, floaters and off the dribble shots.

  • sws94

    I want to see them beat Boston. I think Toronto is beatable because Lin and the Hornets do well against Toronto. Cleveland will be difficult due to star calls for LeBron. He gets so many in Charlotte, he’ll get even more at home.

    Be careful with the Sixers. It’s possible to lose one of those games. Also the Bucks and Washington.

  • DX

    As I simply see the different is:

    Former form is jump and shoot, very little time between 2 actions but is here.

    Now is fast release, almost finish as same motion.

  • DX

    Just watched this video, Lin vs Kemba back to 2009.

  • cdblue10

    At this time of his career, I can say that Lin is already a finished product.With his burly physical attribute,quickness,ability to see the floor even before the play will unfold,the wrap around passes,no look passes,alley oops,2 man game,3 man games and ability to knock down 3’s and with basketball IQ which is off the chart and ability to make his team mate better is no doubt that Jeremy Lin can already run a team.Give a coach and running back that can play like Batum who play along side with him will give a lot of teams a massive headache on the defensive ends.His best attributes would be his dribble drive penetration since he’s about 6’3″ or 6’4″ a massive built that can sees the lane and the whole team mate even in a tight situations,and if his shots are falling outside,who can stop him?Enjoy this Charlotte ride this season and as fans we need to save money to travel a lot next season for many exciting games.

  • JoeTeam

    nice of him to share pics then!

  • JoeTeam

    I’m not sure Doc was coaching him to corkscrew and fling releases. I don’t think JLin has been doing that.

  • JoeTeam

    Hi hop is nice.

  • grover chang

    You watch this game and no one wanted to draft him. Ridiculous.

  • JoeTeam

    doc hop

  • JoeTeam

    and he has has a few ankle problems this year.

  • JoeTeam

    moonball, and that’s hard to do to stop forward motion (I count his floaters too as improved because he was driving hard against the Spurs and floated it nicely).

  • wandertheglobe

    Asking a bit much. Egotistical billionaire apologizing to JLin, not a chance.

  • KHuang

    But Lin’s turned himself to the left even more.

    Now he pushes the ball upwards in a single fluid motion, not like this video where he has a two step release.

  • JoeTeam

    less thought

  • KHuang

    But Doc’s foot placement and insistence on having Lin square his shoulders toward the rim were causing the two step jackknife release.

  • JoeTeam

    i buy that

  • donsmacau

    JLIN has had physical issues from Dec 31st which persist to today which caused unnatural mid-air adjustments to his shot mechanic.

    Long range shots require propulsion. Often hear, “player doesn’t have the legs to make 3s”

    In JLIN’s case ankle issues (ankle brace & Dell Curry) led to lower back spasms (ice-packs pregame) all contribute to poor muscle memory synchronization – hopefully with the brace and time it’s getting better.

  • freemind

    This has been bothering me and I don’t mean to be a downer but lets assume a worst case scenario. No teams made a reasonable offer to Lin, not even Hornets. Does it mean he is left with only one route not to exercise his player option and continue to stay with Hornet for 2mil? Is this this the scenario that the FO hope to for so they can continue another year insurance for peanuts?

  • JoeTeam

    they say Spam is a staple of cooking in Hawaii too. It reminds me of childhood as well.

  • DX

    Sad and no one believes he will play in NBA . Now, he is in NBA 6 years. So we will keep believing him can start in a team.

  • JoeTeam

    yes, trying to shoot through injury I agree with, but he’s not flinging it. The choice of words is a little biased, so I’m just saying objectively, yes, he’s missed shots and maybe it was ankle. See my comment about that below – same thought, just posted before reading your response that I agree with.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not sure what you meant by finished product? To me, we haven’t seen nothing yet.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nice comment section, I like this one too:

    imagine if he hadn’t been so great recently. we could potentially be looking at a 3 game losing streak + going into a tough road game in detroit

  • donsmacau

    “Finished product” sounds a lot like words used by the ATH poster in his fantastic post on the level of JLIN’s current PG skill.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    To me it sounded like he has hit his ceiling.

  • JoeTeam

    I’m not sure bro, I was not there at the training sessions. I have watched his videos, and I’m again saying I didn’t see him preaching this. But, I will admit I’m a Doc truster, so I’m not going to go online to find evidence to the contrary. I’d be happy to look at a link if you want to share, but you don’t have to … I can just disagree with you and still like you v much.

  • donsmacau

    Certainly your scenario is worst case – some would call it an IMPROBABLE case. And surely the Hornets wished JLIN would not exercise option – but unrealistic.

    a) GM Rich CHO last week already signaled that JLIN is in fact exercising his option by calling JLIN a free agent

    b) Even prior to the Spurs game; JLIN had done more than enough this season to interest the 76ers, Nets, Suns, Wolves, Bucks that he can be their starting PG.

    There is a close to 0% chance that JLIN does not opt out and a 5% chance at best he remains in Charlotte.

  • Lefon Jang

    Why change it when he already had such a fluid motion? Doc’s reason was for him to elevate less so he doesn’t waste too much energy. It’s not like he’s shooting a ton of 3s in a game so why worry about energy? All the changes is fine with me except for the arc. The higher the arc the bigger the basket. If the arc is too low the rim gets in the way. Less thought could very well mean he’s not thinking about his shooting mechanic and thus the old habit creeps back in. Maybe that’s the reason for making shots, a shade of his old shooting form!

  • KHuang

    Agree

  • Sesshie

    Yes, he had already improved a lot since his Linsanity days. There’s always room for more improvement, but that’s more like fine-tuning his skills, just small incremental ones. I think JLin is ready to lead a team, no more deferring to a superstar teammate but rather working alongside with one. All he needs is a coach and management that will hand him the keys.

  • sws94

    Lin said he was getting fatigued towards the end of games, he was putting too much legs into his jumpshots. I think the changes come out of Lin wanting to be less fatigued and wanting a quicker release.

  • Lefon Jang

    I think Doc wanted him to have a lower release not a quicker release. I could be wrong.

  • heart

    What do you mean? That’s my point of view… Why are you attacking me??? I’m not “insulting” anyone. I’m stating my feeling…!!!!

  • Rick Johnson

    Nothing new but getting attention in Lin’s home town paper:

    Linsanity 2.0? Jeremy Lin heating up for Charlotte Hornets
    http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_29676284/linsanity-2-0-jeremy-lin-heating-up-charlotte?source=infinite-up

    Is the NBA gearing up for Linsanity 2.0?

    Charlotte Hornets guard Jeremy Lin, the Palo Alto High product who was briefly with the Warriors, seems to be heating up as his team makes a push for the playoffs.

    Lin has 50 points in his past two games, including Monday’s 29-point effort in a win over the San Antonio Spurs. He scored 15 of those in the fourth quarter as the Hornets rallied from 23 points down. Lin also had 21 points in Tuesday’s win over the Brooklyn Nets.

    Charlotte (41-30) sits in a three-way tie with the Boston Celtics and Atlanta Hawks for fourth in the Eastern Conference and a strong finish could ensure them home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs. The Hornets are also just a half-game back of the third-place Miami Heat.

    Lin is averaging 11.8 points and 2.9 assists per game as a backup for Charlotte, which are about in line with his career averages. But the NBA has seen what can happen when Lin gets hot, as evidenced by his run with the New York Knicks in 2012 that earned him the Linsanity nickname.

    What has changed the past couple of games to allow Lin to thrive?

    “I think being comfortable and not thinking as much on the court and letting the ball fly and having fun,” Lin said to The Associated Press. “Shots are going in and I think that helps me, helps open up my drive.”

  • kauaiblue

    Agreed.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Anyone can give JLin good review on this????!!!!!
    https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/713100930636492801

  • Linzen

    I know it is late. Highlight from Christine… watch to support. 🙂
    https://youtu.be/MuieRwPspwk

  • LinMad

    planning to watch this this weekend, don’t know if good or not

  • Linzen

    Most critics don’t think so. Here is the RT rating… only 31%
    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/

    He should watch Zootopia again. 🙂

  • LinMad

    Lin is a smart point guard. I’ve seen many times where Kemba has a chance to make it a 2-for-1 with 35 seconds left and he holds onto the ball. Or times where Kemba shoots too early instead of running the clock down to make it harder on the opponent. These are things that are second nature to Lin. He doesn’t need to be told to do that.

  • LinMad

    imdb gave it a 8. Critics are weird, they over analyze everything. It’s like they can’t even enjoy a movie anymore. Always dislike something I like lol.

  • Linzen

    Me too :)))))
    Going to watch it with my nephew. He says he goes only to spend some quality time with me… lol

  • LinMad

    I think Cliff is definitely brown nosing Batum. I feel like Cliff is inferior to some players on the roster like Batum and Kemba. He’ll do anything to keep his job and make them feel better. We’re talking about a 23 point deficit against the Spurs in the first quarter and then Lin bringing them back in and winning the game. Lin deserves much more respect than what Cliff has given him. Also I don’t like how Cliff said the other day that Batum made Lin better vs the Nets. This is all lip service by the coach cause there were no other games in this season that got more attention by the media than the Spurs game. And the spotlight was on Jeremy Lin.
    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/713063216499331074

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • JoeTeam

    How many more hours until moonball?

    https://youtu.be/YZnKqWMHlMk?t=2m45s

  • Rick Johnson
  • Whitman Lam

    Critics hated the new Lex Luthor actor, and the (Unnecessary) inclusion of Wonder Woman to the movie.

  • cdblue10

    Save a lot of money next year and watch him play,that’s the new Lin that you will see,a complete player.

  • heart

    What??? Are you kidding me??? Starters drilled a big hole 23pts down to 7pts in 1Q, and made franchise history too. Yet, Spurs win was “Not Any Better” than the Nets win??? The NBA media, newspapers, fans, bloggers, etc. are still talking about the Spurs win, and Cliff minimizes it, the Spurs win and its significance??? I think bc his franchise guy was not the one who led the win… SMH!

  • Dan Ang

    Lin hasn’t been involved in plays like these since preseason. Thank you Spurs for waking the sleeping dragon.

  • Dan Ang

    Definitely Zootopia!

  • LinMad

    ya it’s absurd. I can’t believe he even said that to the media. I can’t believe the Hornets media would even tweet this knowing how embarrassing this statement is. But I respect them being honest to us about Cliff. Cliff’s true colors are coming out. To Cliff, it’s anyone but the Asian guy.

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    True, a win is a win on paper except that San Antonio is No. 2 on the Western Conference led by the Great Pop, and Brooklyn No.2 on the Eastern Conference under interim coach Tony Brown. Oh, I forgot to say, Brooklyn No.2 is from bottom up

  • LinMad

    Also I think their bottom 2 in the entire league not just EC. Game shouldn’t have been that close. It just shows this coach isn’t a coaching well. It’s the players that work hard for the Ws.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    It’s quite infuriating right??? That’s why I dislike Cliff so much. He negates JLin’s contributions whenever he can but just did it in a “nicer” way that some fans wouldn’t notice it:-) If you don’t watch the game and not know much about NBA, you will buy into his narrative. Even as some NBA keen observers will fall into his crap.

  • cdblue10

    Who would believe him?Fans know more than him,he’s just being salty since he can’t beat Spurs and Lebron since Kemba and him joined together .

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep his true color is in fall exposure now.

  • Rick Johnson

    At 3:13 does anyone see how Lamb fouled Green? It looked like Lin should have drew a charging foul on Green. Did Lam reach in or something because he was off to the side. Wish they showed more camera angles.

  • LinMad

    I wonder what real Hornets fans feel about Cliff’s statement. Probably don’t care at all but I’m pretty sure some of them are scratching their heads and wondering if there really is some friction between Lin and Clifford. Which you do have to question whether Lin has been treated fairly or not this season. Most of us here believe he wasn’t and this is another example why we believe it.

  • Linzen

    Wonder Woman?… what not to like? :))))

  • heart

    Two days in a row, Cliff has spoken w/o sense. Each time, I feel like he’s knocking on Lin. Yesterday he gave the impression to the media that Lin is career bench player, and today he’s purposely minimizing the significance of Lin-led Hornets historical franchise win over Spurs… IMO, Cliff is using the media to take the shine or focus off Lin…

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Do you remember JLin give any credit to coach in his postgame interviews?

  • LinMad

    True, but at least it’s only within Charlotte media and not national media. If it was national, this would anger a lot of people. To even compare Nets with Spurs is ridiculous. Spurs fans would not be happy. It’s like saying “That Warriors win was not any better than that Lakers win”

  • sws94

    Capt. Sullenberger? Each game is just as important and big a win as the next. Especially with the margin of error being so low and race so tight, take nothing for granted. That’s the message. Doesn’t matter who the opponent is, any and all wins are big. That’s typical coach speak.

  • LinMad

    Yes numerous times. Even against the Spurs game lol but apparently Cliff doesn’t care. He’s too busy kissing butts.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    He did it intentionally for whatever his crazy reasons. Probably he was reprimanded for not playing JLin much esp the winnable loss of Denver. He got away previously after JLin won Cavs game. He is definitely in the sour grape cage now for saying what he was saying in the past couple games. Maybe his job in jeopardy????!!!!!!

  • heart

    I’m furious… Two days in a row, Cliff has upset me to no end… He’s definitely deliberate in his answers. There’s no way he would say such a thing if KW or NB led the win!!!!

  • Rick Johnson

    Didn’t realize JLin had a wax figure in Madame Tussaud’s Wax Museum before Curry:

    https://twitter.com/vernglenn/status/713109343281876993

  • heart

    I think so… It has to… If KW or NB led the win he would talk up non-stop!!! He really does not deserve Lin…

  • Joe what do you know

    Clifford is just doing his Byron Scott impersonation…. ACTING calm and collected with arms folding in front of him… metaphorically speaking…

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Tell me about it. I woke up in a very good mood this morning. Then learned that my godfather’s mom passed away and now this. Not the kind of day I would like to catch up with things:-(

  • wu kong

    The SAS win was a show to the team and the world that Charlotte was not going to give up. To be that far behind and come back to win against the possible champs is amazing and deserves to be set aside as something quite different and extraordinary. Sure all wins right now are important but to brush that SAS win aside is a slap in the face to the players that did not give up on that game and fought hard to win it.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Ok then making nonsense why Cliff has to put down JLin. He is getting senile and that’s my diagnosis on him:-) (Joking on the last sentence)

  • heart

    I’m sorry to hear that. God bless you! Stay calm. All things will work out to those who love God! Keep our eyes turn upward! Bless you!!!

  • edward93

    I see a lot of different opinions… so has doc and the new shooting form been good for lin or has it made Lin’s shot worse overall?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Funny to see your efforts to defend Cliff to no end.

  • heart

    Thank You!

  • sws94

    I agree. The point I think he’s making to the team is not to get let down. SAS of course is far ahead, had that huge win against GSW to preserve their undefeated home-court win, yet blew a 21 point lead they had to the Hornets. SAS fans will say Lin went crazy and beat them for sure, but they’ll also say SAS led their guard down and didn’t do enough to win. A coach will then say, yes, we won that game but all games no matter the circumstance count as 1 in the win column. And we need to remember that going forward. Next game, do everything to win.

  • heart

    Thank You!!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks I’m ok. Anticipate her passing for quite sometimes now. She had Alzheimer for about 10 years. She was bedridden for years now. Mixed feeling on her passing: sad vs relief.

  • LinMad

    Ya I don’t beleive sws94 is a Lin fan at all. I’m surprised he hasn’t been banned yet.

  • cdblue10

    Nothing wrong about his shots ,most players just need touches and playing time to get into the groove.For him ,he doesn’t have that luxury yet he still managed to performed such magical numbers.

  • donsmacau

    Nope the point is that the message of the Hornets organization is to not let this whole discussion of Linsanity get out of control…

    … and to minimize and diminish JLIN’s prominence as anything other than another role-player on the team.

  • wu kong

    If Cliff were an excellent leader of men he would tell his team he is ever so proud of them for continuing to fight and to go on to win the SAS game every chance he got. When he has a chance to talk about that game it is not the time to use PC/coach speak. It is the time to be openly proud of his team. He can also say we need all wins we can get right now because the playoff race is tight … yada yada…

  • heart

    I hope you’re ok. Pray and ask God for peace in your heart. The ones left behind are harder IMO. Take good care of yourself today ok.

  • donsmacau

    Good strategy SWS94, make a personal attack on a Mod – see how far that gets you.

  • LinMad

    How can it be “not any better” when we came back from a 23 pt deficit against a championship contender? Lin deserves a little acknowledgement just like Cliff does to Kemba/Batum when they have a great game. Not this cold shoulder, I didn’t see anything crap.

  • PPP

    for the Hornets, it scored as 1 win.
    but for Lin, its a GIGANTIC win.
    btw, who cares what he said nowadays?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I have wondered about this call as well. Glad that Hornets still got a win despite of this call.

  • sws94

    Stop it already. And mod, do your job and tell him to stop with this complete insulting nonsense.

    That’s why some people with different POVs don’t want to post here anymore. I gave a very detailed view of why I am a Lin fan on another thread and if you can’t handle someone saying a coach’s words can be interpreted differently that the point of view that the majority here are expressing and I am in no way bashing or putting down Lin, then this site doesn’t believe in honest, different points of views that can be expressed regarding people around Cliff.

    I don’t have to hate Cliff and agree with any of you. I’m my own person and always will be. If I make my points with respect, and that is not what LInMad is doing, that should be welcomed and you can agree to disagree without this happening over and over and over again.

    JLinportal is a fan for Lin or disliking Cliff?

  • I am The Jason

    One win got national attention, the other was just a night cap for JLin’s momentum.

  • sws94

    Because the point is it counts as 1 win I think. Look, I wouldn’t phrase it as he did but I think the point of his comment is that every win is important.

  • HVJoy

    Well said!! While the media, from NY to CA, widely reported and praised Hornets’ amazing win, the coach seems to demean the effort/success of the players. Mind-boggling indeed.

  • heart

    Yep. That’s why I said, if it was their preferred/ franchise guys who led the Spurs win, you’d hear Hornets headline them and talking about them non-stop. But since it’s Lin, Cliff/Hornets are afraid that Lin’s shine is overshadowing their franchise players, so they have to put a stop to it now. Two days in a row, Cliff actually knocked Lin directly and indirectly w/his comments. Now, I’m afraid he’ll “punish” or not give Lin PT for the upcoming games…

  • HVJoy

    Exactly!

  • donsmacau

    I’m failing to see where, any poster has “insulted” you to a point that has contravened any terms of use or spirit of decency rules.

    You may feel that getting called a less than ideal JLIN fan is an nonsense insult but that you.

  • LinMad

    Ya, I can accept your POVs but throughout the season it has been the same. There is a pattern to the way you protect everyone and even talk down on Lin during his bad games. It’s obvious, that your behavior here is not consistent with most 99% of true Lin fans here.

    How can you not dislike Cliff for comparing a historic Spurs game coming from a 23 pt deficit with a bottom 2 team in the league? You are out of your mind.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Well if he wants to lose their playoffs seeding and then first round in playoffs, go ahead and marginalize JLin. Majority if not everyone related to NBA has noted JLin’s contribution in this. Cliff/Hornets can’t hide JLin now.

  • HVJoy

    I hope you are wrong about Lin’s PT for the final 11 games.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks! Pray for the family. I can’t be their to support them. They live in Fort Worth, TX.

  • GoJLin!

    Totally agreed, he shall do more encouragements to all the players instead of begging some of the players not getting him fire.

  • heart

    Hope I’m wrong that Cliff is not that vindictive to take it out on Lin’s PT, but taking into consideration of what has transpired throughout the season, and now two days in a row w/ these nonsensical comments coming from him… Remember, Lamb got 3 DNPs w/o any explanations… Who knows…

  • LinMad

    Clifford mentions “good” and “better”. This isn’t about a win or lose. It’s about which win was better to him.

  • Joe what do you know

    I don’t know about technical stuffs. All I can do is to compare the principle of learning golf swings to basketball shooting forms and I think they can be similar.

    I see lots of golfers hire a swing coach and literally taking every words the coach says as gospel. I never had a swing coach simply because I’d rather spend the money on playing the actual course and gain real-life experience. But I take instructions from whichever source I can get and apply rules of physics and human anatomy to integrate to my own swing. Which results in it being deeply imprinted in my muscle memory. Simply because I really do use my head and logics to about it repeatedly.

    What I see as problems for lots of golfers are that they see golf swings as something that has to be followed to the exact words their instructors give without diving into the the questions of why they need to do so in such way. What this do to them is that they fail to form their own thoughts and realise that each player have different physical attributes that allows and limits them to do different movements. The important tip about a golf swing is to take the words of an instructor as a reference point and think about how to apply them to your physical capability. This will transform mere verbal or visual instructions into something that you acquire like a second nature. What you don’t want to do is to have those instructions bothering you in every swings you take because you can not integrate them into yourself and thus feeling the necessity of reminding yourself over and over again.

    I hope no matter what instruction Lin got from Doc, he can take it only as a reference and try to integrate that to whatever he feels comfortable with, and not take the instruction too seriously if he finds it unsuitable to his physical attribute….

  • LinMad

    Yup, no one is asking Cliff to butt kiss Lin. Just be more respectful to him for having a great game that day and not try make it look like it was any other game…cause it wasn’t.

  • HVJoy

    Lin had his wax figure unveiled in SF while at Lakers. As we know, Lin has been a media darling before Curry becomes an NBA super star.

  • PPP

    lol…ive got a feeling that people trying to force sws out of here, wonder why.

    she is a good poster although i sometimes do not agree with what she said about lin (e.g. starting/coming off the bench) but at least she did not attack other posters and just expressing her opinion about lin, which we should take an agree to disagree approach.

    just my 2c.

  • JoeTeam

    his shot in the last 2 games has been beautiful to watch. He can pull up at speed and transfer that forward energy into a very high arc. He can fade back and have enough to get it high arcing to the rim.

    I’m not one to argue the technical because I have always needed the glass to save me, but anyway, to me it is exciting to see.

  • PPP

    did lin said its doc’s idea to change his shooting form? any link for that?

    thanks in advance.

  • wu kong

    for the Hornets team SAS was a huge win… not just JLin. For Cliff to downgrade it is an example of why some coaches are better than others at getting more out of their players. Coaching is not just about knowing the rules of the game and coming up with great plays out of a timeout it is more about encouraging men to fight together towards a common goal. Cliff missed a HUGE opportunity to praise his team for not giving up, for charging forward up that daunting hill and winning.

  • Joe what do you know

    I don’t know. All my Lin related gossips are from this forum and I only know that Lin has been changing his shooting form again. And that Doc is official still Lin’s shooting coach….

  • HVJoy

    Please accept my sincere condolences. We lost our uncle recently to illness, and understand what you mean about “mixed feeling on her passing”. We found comfort in that he no longer suffered any pain and he was over 80.

  • PPP

    ic, thanks anyway for replying.

  • Joe what do you know

    Agree to agree with you.

  • donsmacau

    She is a He

  • PPP

    haha. great.

  • heart

    Agree!!! A big missed opportunity from Cliff! Everyone else knew it was big and gave Hornets and Lin praises, except him! He treated the Spurs win so non-nonchalantly and now this non-sense talk, SMH!!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Not sure it’s doc’s idea or not but JLin did say that in his trip to Asia in 2015, one of his goals was changing his shooting form. Doc is JLin’s shooting coach even before he joined NBA I believe.

  • Linzen

    Blah, Blah, Blah… look, I am NBA head coach… I am so smart… every win is the same… blah, blah, blah…

    Focusing on the positive side… at least he knows it is a tight race to the playoff. Only 3 of the remaining 11 games are at home. He needs all the W he can get. If for any strange reasons they miss the playoff, he will certainly see the door.
    Can he solely rely on his chosen ones? He wishes. But we all know the real X-factor is our boy. He is the only one who can get everybody involve and play to their max potential.

    Clifford CANNOT afford to marginalize JLin from now on.

    Say whatever you want, Cliff. The SAS game is a BIG confidence booster for the team and JLin. It woke up the sleeping giant name Linsanity just at the right time.

  • JoeTeam

    And then you see Steph make some incredible shots over and over and you wonder – does he even have a shot approach, or did he just learn all this from throwing to over Dell all his youth.

  • orLinaryjoe

    lol

  • PPP

    I asked because some posters continued to attack doc that he is a coach for a high school girl team and he only teaches girly shooting form and that he is not qualify to coach lin and that this change of shooting form is awful and lin shouldnt listen to him. If there is no proof that the idea is coming from doc, then its not fair to him.

  • joyce ward

    OK everybody, take a deep breath and exhale. We are all lin fans with different perspectives. Some of us are half empty people some of us are half full people.It depends on where you fall on this scale will be what you see,and your opinion will be based on what you see. I think Cliff is a coach that is fearful of losing his job. When you have a coach like that, he eventually will lose his locker room. He puts his foot in his mouth all
    the time.What he said about the win against SAS,needs to be put in perspective. What he said was what any coavh would have said,but he should have added that the team did a great job battling back to beat the number 2 team in the west, but we need to play every game with that intensity and that includes how we played in Brooklyn. I personally think that Cliff is not a good communicator. Also I think that there might be some internal issues going on within the coaching staff. I say this because the guy that went to the game stated that Cliff wasn’t drawing up plays, so then who was? just sayin.

  • JoeTeam

    I have see an interview with Doc where he says he’s wanting JLin to change his shot in XYZ ways. I think that was with Coach Nick, I can’t quite remember.

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s like when my mates and I were on the driving range and discussing about golf swings. He LOVES talking about how different professionals do their swings and all these NEW TIPS he saw online. He’s been trying to “improve” his swing using those instructions for years. According to him, the arms needs to be at a certain position, the belt buckle needs to be ….. blah blah blah…. When I first met him 5-6 years ago his swing was decent… Now he will give you a wild slice, duff, snap hook once every 5-7 swings he takes….

  • JoeTeam

    If posters knew Doc, I would think Doc ‘d be oak by them.

  • Win

    As i have mentioned before, I have saw SWS defend on other forum which I have been banned. He is a true Lin’s friend. Just different point of view sometime which is perfectly normal.

  • Win

    I mean he has been defending Lin at other forums.

  • LinMad

    it’s true, Hornets were put on the map. Hornets got a lot of media attention for this win too. Not just Lin. I looked at NBA Pulse after the game and Lin ranked above everyone at #1 (above Lebron and Curry). I checked the team trend and the top 2 were Spurs and Hornets.

  • Win

    Really? Haha. No matter what she have my respect.

  • Joe what do you know

    Agree with you Joyce. Very nicely put. We should’t be attacking each other just because we take a different approach to things. As long as we all want to see Lin succeed and abide by the forum rules of respecting each other, we belong to this forum.

  • Win

    Agreed 100%

  • Alain Gervais

    SWS is just being reasonable. These conspiracies are a waste of time. Every coach every teammate except for the lansinity ones hate Lin. Its just like come on. It could be Greg popavich and i would bet some of you would get angry at him. Calling him all types of names. So I just state the fact and move on. This isn’t high school so why care if you are liked or not.

  • PPP

    I only remember one that they talked mainly about triple threat position. is there another one after that?

  • Joe what do you know

    Ok… it doesn’t matter that much. I can be a talking kangaroo but all it matters is that I’m Lin’s fan with an Aussie accent.

  • Alain Gervais

    You can just forget trying to get them to be reasonable because they won’t be. No matter what coach. They want dantoni. I bet it wouldn’t take much for them to turn on Dantoni.

  • CJSHYY

    I agree Cliff is afraid of losing his job…. I believe there’s something going on behind the door… Well, I don’t like what he said about Lin or vs SAS game comments but to most of fans ( not just Lin’s fans ) or National media all know how big this game it’s. Right now I hope he can continue to let Lin plays his game.

  • Win

    I just wanna point out I have saw countless time on other forum that SWS has defending Lin by stating her own point of view. She is a true Lin’s fan. We have all different options which we don’t have to agree with but that doesn’t mean she is not a Lin’s fans.

  • Alain Gervais

    HE is a coach this is normal speak move on. You guys want some one who constently has to pet Lin to make you feel good. It doesn’t work that way.

  • LinMad

    it was a bogus call, I think one of the refs disagreed with the other

  • Win

    Cliff know nothing about offense. The offensive plays that he have drawn were mediocre at best.

  • Alain Gervais

    Like i said before there is a gang feeling here. A group that always goes out of their mind and if you don’t agree you aren’t a “real” fan. Yet every game you are here watching

  • LinMad

    no one is asking Cliff to kiss Lin’s butt. What’s wrong with praising the Spurs game? Many coaches would after coming out of a 23 points deficit in the 1st quarter against a top 2 team in the league.

  • PPP

    saw that myself, thanks.

  • PPP

    spot on…esp when lin was benched by Pop just like he benched parker, haha.

  • freemind

    “I’m begging you. I know y’all make more money than me. I know most of you could get me fired. I’m just saying, please.”
    He must have forgotten that the one that is paid the least on rooster saved his fragile porcelain rice bowl

  • PPP

    agreed.

  • LinMad

    why don’t you two hold hands and go to ATH instead if you can’t handle our opinions about Clifford? Like I said before, we’re not asking Cliff to kiss Lin’s butt. But we all know the Spurs game was better than the Nets game.

  • Uh-Oh

    He or she did attack posters here but not here, rather at the other side according to one of Bobby H’s post. If he or she finds his or her place at the other side then let he or she be happy and welcome there then. The world is round. Many different market segments created for different people.
    This place is still great. And people are not unreasonable like some poster said.

  • Alain Gervais

    They wow go nuts lol.

  • joyce ward

    First off you just insulted people on this board by calling people out of their minds, when they are voicing their opinions also. Trust me it ain’t that serious.smh

  • Win

    It is. But imo the win over the spurs is big for the whole team as it shows the team will not back down and is capable to come back from a big deficit against one of the top NBA team for over a decade.

  • Alain Gervais

    Because of some of Lin fans i think Lin cant go to the Spurs. His fans make it hard for him to succeed in certain areas. Why did harden and Melo and Kobe hate Lin. I bet his fans have to do with it. Im a big fan but I get annoyed by Some of his fans. Like i get annoyed by GSW fans or Nintendo fans. They just go nuts sometimes and are unreasonable. Hornets fans have said that. Lin himself said some of his fans are a bit out there. Had to personally squish beef earlier this season before any game. Lin cant be coached by anyone. Or play anywhere. Dealing with what comes with Lin is not easy

  • Joe what do you know

    She/He is just more reason and logic vs passion type of person I guess… I witness on so many accounts that she did her “Lin defence” in other forums. Her only “guilt” in this forum is that she doesn’t see Lin as an idol pop star or deity to worship.

  • Alain Gervais

    I didn’t say they are out of their minds but they go out of there minds some times which they do. How many conspiracies have we heard this year alone. Ive been here for a while . Ive heard all types of hate for his teammates and coaches. If what I’ve said is insulting its minuscule to what some here have said to Lins teammates

  • Win

    Not sure about Harden but 100% not Melo and Kobe.

  • Alain Gervais

    Some are unreasonable.Its ok its many fans. Like Batman fans thinking Batman can beat anyone.ITs ok but its unreasonable and some won’t like it.

  • Spot

    Mods rule. Don’t question their work and follow the rules.

  • Joe what do you know

    We should put this topic to rest about right now…

  • joyce ward

    Here you come with drama about the lin fans.Lin said he was fine with his fans and he knew that they were coming from a good place. I think you are trying to use this platform to voice things that you want to get out of your system , ain’t nobody here for thst .bye

  • JJ Hui

    Few of us saw and knew this CC right after the preseason!
    Remember Lin’s media day with him?

  • Alain Gervais

    insults yep a gang that insult others yet say your insulting me all the time

  • JoeTeam

    word … because we don’t pay for this very nice service to the community that we are …

  • LinMad

    lmao really? this is hilarious. Even if you call it a homosexual insult, I heard from someone else that sws94 is a girl.

  • JoeTeam

    I dont’ think Lin is a pop star or deity, and yet i have been surprised by sw’s posts at times …

  • Win

    True. But what Lin got from Melo and Kobe is nothing but hate and jealous. You can tell by the intentional hard foul from Kobe and Melo. But Lin has handled it in a very classy way

  • joyce ward

    Dude, it’s neither here nor there, people can voice their opinion as long as they rremain within the rules of the forum.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yes he did but It doesn’t mean others have to Like it. Everything i said is true. Where even PFV is saying this

    https://twitter.com/CNM_JLin_Vids/status/712837710184996864

  • Spot

    Clifford is just Clifford. You can’t ask anything more from him cause he can’t do more.

    Hopefully there will be a good coach for Lin next season.

  • JoeTeam

    I don’t agree, this site is not at risk of being in groupthink. If anything, we keep having the same negative threads that destroy possible conversation to any institutional memory … it’s still leaning more to a free-for-all than any rigid thought place.

  • cdblue10

    Tomorrow is a big game,you just need Jeremy to Lin it.!!!

  • LinMad

    So basically, coach should treat all teams the same from now on I guess “cause a win is a win and the Lin fans here don’t understand” according to sws94 and Alain Gervais. Ya try preparing the Spurs game like we prepare for a Lakers game and see if we ever beat them again.

  • Spot

    Yep. And … How can someone question bluebell, Melody or Psalm??

  • Alain Gervais

    Again you are just talking weather Lin is ok with it or People are just voicing there opinion. The “fact” Some coaches and player won’t Like Lin because of his fans is fact

  • Alain Gervais

    Where did it come from?

  • LinMad

    I respect Curry, I heard he didn’t get the Nike deal cause he did not fit the “bold/strong” look that others do. That was a billion dollar mistake by Nike.

  • joyce ward

    Why are you posting what Paul said like it”s some kind of gospel. Conversation over,chile bye

  • freemind

    #Lintuition #Lintuitive he is tuning into his body and heeding his “gut feel” rather than his emotion or mind.

  • Win

    From previous Hornets games against Knicks and Lakers. And almost everyone know Kobe is a jerk.

  • Uh-Oh

    Spot on!

  • Joe what do you know

    As long as she/he doesn’t go on personal attack or condescending tone rampage like what I’ve experienced before from other posters, then she/he is entitle to her/his opinions. I’m all for punishment when breaking rules though.

  • Alain Gervais

    Because Ive been here from the beginning so has PFV. If anyone Know Lin fans its us. Some are very unreasonable.

  • JJ Hui

    Pop said Lin is spectacular! Tim Duncun and Tony Parker praised Lin highly too, they said they couldn’t stop Lin. These three have respect and dignity in the entire NBA, Clifford is nobody compares to them!

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s probably about the only unanimous opinion you’d get from this forum…. 100% without fail.

  • Spot

    Calm down and change subject. We all live in peace here and try to have a positive approach. So enjoy this portal or if you wanna start of war of words… Bye bye

  • Win

    Right on. Clifford is not a good coach, mediocre at best. You can tell by the so call offensive he has drawn for hte team the entire season.

  • I am The Jason

    Lin fans has nothing to do with Harden, Melo and Kobe “hating” on Lin. They were the alpha dogs that did not want to share or concede much spotlight to Lin. Lin fans clash with other forum posters. I am not a fan of that, but I also am not a fan of being punish for having different opinions as long as it is not out of bounds. I do agree I feel like I have to tip toe around here.

  • cdblue10

    What happened guys?Let’s end this discussions…!!!!it’s not healthy,let’s celebrate Lin’s game and let’s talk about that.

  • JoeTeam

    ha ha, I will continue to not like KW’s game if you don’t mind me saying so.

  • Alain Gervais

    Do you remember what Lin fans was saying about Kobe and BS before Lin even played a game. Same to this year. It takes the correct type of coaches and player to not be effected by his fans. I think Charlotte maybe that place. NYK was not the place from the beginning. Haif hated Lin haif loved Lin. His fans always create that. It hasn’t been like that here in charlotte

  • Yascar

    They have opinions too like everyone else so while they do a great job here, they can also side one way or the other. And they have at times, some more than others.

    Some of the mods do not stay out of the hysteria either and often make it worse.

    I don’t mind being banned because tbh, I personally don’t find it that pleasant here anymore. People like sws and alain have opinions, some of which I share that were insulted for being more moderate. And I use the word insulted because I think that’s what it was. The mods differ with me. Fine.

    But that doesn’t many any of us right or wrong. It’s opinion.

  • Spot

    Mediocre is the right word. I didn’t want to say it but that’s the truth

  • JJ Hui

    Exactly!

  • Win

    Yea! Hope Linsanity will continue against Pistons.

  • JoeTeam

    but mediocre means average. Is he even average? Maybe by the record, ok.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lol bro i come here and a gang is going after SWS for having a different opinion. Some are making here very negative. Conspiracy theories all over the place. Even with Lin playing great. We should be happy right now but no we are mad at cliff. some are just never happy

  • Sorry to hear about your loss 🙁
    I hope God’s strength and comfort will be the the whole family

  • LinMad

    lets just do a vote to ban Alain and sws94. If they get more Yes votes than No, the mods should ban them. They’re obviously from other Hornets sites that are anti Lin.

  • JoeTeam

    yes, this one I saw was after that, and it talks about JLin’s shot and their work on it.

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats not the case. Being a Lin teammate is not hard. Teammates of Lin are always mistreated by his fans and its not ok. Tweeting the players and coaches. Remember when a fan had t apologize to bev. Its like why annoy them. It makes Lin situation worse

  • Spot

    Cliff’s been a liar since the beginning in my opinion.

    If you want to start celebrating Jeremy be an example and invite others to cheer and/or support Jeremy.

    That means being positive.

  • JJ Hui

    He (ALWAYS) has a reason for Cliff, always! He is either related to him or get paid to be here to do that.

  • Win

    All I can remember is the Lakers season was the worst for Lin. BS was hired to protect Kobe that’s all. And BS throwing almost every players under the bus in order to do so. It actually maybe a direct order from the FO. In any case, my pov won’t change on Kobe. He is a jerk unlike the true veteran star like Tim Duncan who was willing to step down and take pay cut for the team.

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats not true at all

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s very low for you to mock the rest of us who defending Lin mean we are blindly Lin God fanatic.

  • LinMad

    PFV is oblivious to how coaches treat Lin. He never talked about Byron, McHale, etc mistreating Lin until the season is over or until someone else who knows a little more about the topic than we do says it. Like the Amare incident. We all already knew Carmelo Anthony didn’t want Lin to stay cause he was taking over Melo’s stardom. The beans will be spilled after this season although I don’t believe Lin will say anything bad about this team since he likes the players he play with.

  • Alain Gervais

    lol If this isn’t a gang. idk what is

  • orLinaryjoe

    Woah, what is going on in here? Yes, looking forward to next game!
    http://i.giphy.com/61LG5JeIzTBXG.gif

  • PPP

    you may be mistaken that this is another site, i don’t have any gang feeling here at all. may be some conspiracy/negative thinking, yeah you bet.

  • Alain Gervais

    So every one hates Lin and his fans have another to do with the divid that happens where ever he goes

  • but Batman can be anyone…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Making comments defending Clifford here should expecting responses. We’re entitle to ours too.

  • LinMad

    SWS wanted the attention by posting something most of us would disagree with. So that’s her fault. If she can’t handle disagreements cause no one wants to blindly agree with her, then she shouldn’t have posted it.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lol bruhhhh…….

  • orLinaryjoe

    What is this? Survivor island?

  • I am The Jason

    I’m not saying its ok for fans to berate another player or coach. I’m saying teammates should not let another player’s fans dictate how they interact with another teammate. Every player has reasonable and unreasonable fans. I don’t believe Harden, Melo, and Kobe cared that much about Lin’s fans.

  • JJ Hui

    Yeah right! After 21 pts evaporated everyone in the SAS team still guard down n yawning n ho hum n sleepy n dreaming n waiting to go eat ice cream after the game!

  • Yascar

    Absolutely correct. But once I invited some posters here to lurk at At the Hive, hoping they would get the contrast between ATH and our old favorite Clutchfans. They were some good, a few great and a few not-so-good opinions about Jeremy on ATH then.

    They came back and said they’re all haters! I was flabbergasted to say the least.

  • Joe what do you know

    I did not point out anyone in specific and put a name on anyone. Ironically you just did.

  • Alain Gervais

    Why cant you be democratic. Listen to here point. Have a debate. Then agree to disagree you know like adults. Why is it about “YOU”. I cant have a different point a view without antagonizing you

  • joyce ward

    I love it…LOL

  • Yascar

    May as well ban me and a few others as well.

  • Joe what do you know

    Everyone is entitled. Blanket rule applies. Follow the forum rules and no personal attack. I never say you’re not entitled to yours.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No you didn’t but you know whom you attacked. Even worse, you aimed at many people here not just me.

  • LinMad

    or Troll island cause we’re being trolled by a few

  • joyce ward

    Anyway Cliff had a radio broadcast today, did anybody catch it?

  • orLinaryjoe

    Let’s not turn it into Lord or the Rings, lol.

  • Alain Gervais

    I agree but This is why i said Lin need the right teammates and Coach who isn’t effected by it. His fans are difficult and most of the hate he gets has zero to do with him personally but his fans. Lin is a great guy. evertime he speak i can see people liking him more but his fans have the opposite affect. Ive notice this after the years watching him. Its just not easy being his teammate or coach because anything and everything is looked at closely

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why called us Lin worshipers when we responding to her comments? You’re no difference with the people at Clutchfans have been calling us when they can’t debate with substance.

  • LinMad

    nah, i try not to listen to him anymore.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Thought it could’ve been a little bigger!

  • PPP

    this is not a great idea imho, freedom of speech.
    and they have not violate any rules at all.
    come on.

  • Alain Gervais

    Im sure both hornet and Lin has unreasonable fans. So those two are usually the loudest. Which gives the reasonable fans a bad name.

  • Joe what do you know

    I’m following the rules. You’re entitled to your perception but you talk like you can look inside my brain and know what I was thinking. That’s funny

  • JJ Hui

    One win to Cliff but SPECTACULAR from POP!!!
    Enough said!
    There is an agenda!

  • donsmacau

    I spend more of my time on the other site.

    I cannot RECALL ever a time where I’ve witnessed him “defend Lin” . It comes to me as a shock and surprise that this hearsay about him and his Lin defence on other site is actually valid.

    From what I’ve witnessed on the other site, he is does NOT defend JLIN but is very pugnacious in vehemently attacking any notion that JLIN has been disadvantaged in any way – rather he has STATED repeatedly that he will rise to the defense of JLIN”s teammates, coaches or the Hornets organization and he has done just that.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Alain Gervais

    yes those who don’t think like you are bad.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Be a man and admit it. You attack all the people here who disagreed with sws as Lin worshipers. To me that’s breaking the rules.

  • Alain Gervais

    I don’t like it either.

  • Win

    Ehhh. I don’t think Clifford hates Lin. But the true is he doesn’t believe in Lin as a PG which imo is a mistake. However Clifford do believe Lin’s defenses and his clutchness

  • Yascar

    I know but the point is by and large, Hornets fans do like Jeremy. That place is a safe haven compared to some we’ve been before. But people here can’t see anything but hate sometimes. I honestly don’t understand why. Jeremy himself is keeping his head high and being happy.

  • donsmacau

    Agree, we all have a bit of wanting to make an impact in the discussion but he takes it to Narcissistic levels on a consistent basis.

  • Joe what do you know

    It’s ok. You see it your way because your log on time and mine could be very different so naturally there will be posts that I miss. I don’t go dig out posts that are buried more than 2 pages. So your perception of him/her could be very different from mine. Let’s just agree on this and move on.

  • Alain Gervais

    O think hornets has been Lins best situation. They have felt with Lins fans great. His teammates as well. Hornets has been the best to deal with his fans so far . Like i said some players and coaches won’t react so well to lins fans

  • I am The Jason

    I see where you are coming from but to be fair, Lin has had a bumpy ride since leaving NY. Him and Harden could have had something special in Houston but that did not work because Harde3n usage is so high. The organization was ready to get rid of Lin. The Laker experiment was a nightmare. I don’t have many qualms with him being in Charlotte. I just wish Clifford would treat Lin like he does Batum and Walker instead of a role player. I get why Lin fans get upset, but I do understand some take it to the extreme, which is a turnoff for me.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Some are pretending to take the high road/fair mind thinker but the true is we all have an agenda here. The difference is we don’t pretend who we are not.

  • JJ Hui

    POP’s words has lots of weights, he said Lin played spectacular and they couldn’t stop Lin all night in NBA national TV! Timmy n Tony praised Lin too!
    So Pop declared Lin played spectacular, CC can say whatever things, I say he jealous n stupid!

  • Joe what do you know

    Really? To you that’s breaking the rules? Why don’t we let Psalm decide how he look at our conversation and see who’s being reasonable here? This forum does not revolve around you.

  • i was about to argue about banning people… and then i saw the bright shiny hand w/the peace sign, and then i got distracted and forgot what i was doing. and then i went home.

  • Man, I stepped away for a while due to headache but came back to get more headache :[

    Why can’t true JLin fans simply get along?
    I thought we ought to spend time discussing the positives from JLin’s outstanding performance because we have been faithfully waiting for a while. We all stuck by him and we deserve to celebrate along with him.

    Look, noone will get banned if they respect the forum rules.
    Alain and sws are obviously JLin fans since they have followed him for a while and praise his good performance.
    I see sws is in the hockey penalty for a while due to breaking forum rules and personal attack to mods. That’s a no-no

    I would implore all JLin fans to stop this negativity.
    I disagree with sws’ opinion as a JLin fan to stay as a backup role in the Hornets but I still respect his/her opinion.
    We need to learn to get along as JLin fans and promote tolerance of diverse opinions.

    Think about it. If JLin visits this forum, I don’t blame him if he doesn’t want to come again due to all this negativity.
    We all see how he tried to build strong relationship with his Hornets fans despite less-than-ideal conditions.

    We ought to follow his positive example here by focusing more on the common grounds (his improved shooting, diplomacy, unifying approach, etc.) as JLin fans rather than our differences

    If you are true JLin fans, I’d like to appeal to your good sense to put aside any difference and focus on what we all agree instead.
    Make JLin feel welcome if he ever comes to visit.

  • Win

    Ehhh. Not only the fans. I have Lin is close to all his teammates which is really a good sign.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yea im not blaming everything on his fans. Its Like a push and pull thing. His fans vs opposing player or team fans. One needs the other. Giving Lin the outside role. Overtime. Where the Fanwebsite makes a montage about Lin struggling. Man i hate Roxland but They are the example to the maximum

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I don’t go cry to Psalm like others have, I leave it to them to do their job not mine. You’re the one keep mentioning the rules here, I didn’t.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I know. I keep myself away from that kind of posts. The fact is JLin went to Doc to seek for his help and not the other way round. Doc was one of his “high school” day coaches. JLin is smart and he knows what he is doing. I don’t question about his judgment on bb. That’s why I’m just a fan and not in NBA:-)

  • orLinaryjoe
  • PPP

    heard that sws was banned? What is the reason?

    @psalm234 can you do some thing? I think she is a good poster although at times she has different opinion. If no apparent reason, its not good for this site’s reputation, imho.

  • Alain Gervais

    agree

  • cdblue10

    This is an amazing gif.,sws94 and Alain are great fans We have a lot of misunderstandings sometimes but they are great fans and same as y’all.

  • JJ Hui

    CC cannot afford to lose n kick out from playoff! He will still need Lin until they 100% secure the playoff then see what antique comes out from him! We will see!!!

  • PPP

    oops.

  • LinMad

    No I think this improves the site’s reputation. We have to clean up the mess.

  • Alain Gervais

    Agreed. move on. Lets not gang up on people. Debate, disagree, Move on.

  • LinMad

    No, those who can’t handle my opinion after giving theirs are bad. It’s like flipping people off and they flip you back and you call the cops.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Is calling others Lin God worshipers considering attack? You just suggested something and 30 min later you attacked us?

  • Joe what do you know

    *Chuckle*
    Whatever mate. You just love your last say on everything. You’re always the only right one. Other people with same opinion is your ally and people with different opinion is wrong and evil…. blah blah blah. I’m done.

  • LinMad

    Trolling is a violation of the rules. She posted something that she knew would bait most of the Lin fans here into a stupid debate.

  • PPP

    well the way I see it, there are some counter attack as well.

  • Alain Gervais

    Maybe insulted someone after getting angry. Always best to stay Calm. We are all on the same team .

  • Win

    I don’t know what to say. There is no guide line or standard on how to be a Lin fans. Some fans root for her to be a starter. Some fans root for him to be the sixth man. It is all opinions which you have the right to choose whether you agree with it or not.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Reading down below you suggested we shouldn’t attack each other here because of our differences. Wow didn’t take you long to do the opposite.

  • Win

    Agreed

  • Win

    LOL. Nice!

  • PPP

    this gives an impression that this site can not accept other opinions.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Post delete. Please observe the rule. No one is ganging up on anyone.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lol called debate. Not liking being taken to task is called a dictatorship

  • Win

    No way. She is a good poster and a true Lin’s supporter. Why ban her?

  • LinMad

    Of course we do. How long has SWS been here with her outrageous opinions? I’m shocked she hasn’t been banned early cause most of her posts are baiting Lin fans

  • Joe what do you know

    I didn’t even know she/he was banned. Logged on in the morning and saw some debate going on. Not aware of what exactly was pour out in the forum before I came. Just made some comments from my general past experience in this forum and here I go getting lunged on by someone…

  • Win

    I kinda think LeBron is not as good as he used to be. All he do now is push off.

  • PPP

    who? i hope its not me. i have a short memory, haha

  • LinMad

    No she isn’t. And are you Lin Win?

  • heart

    I remember vividly… Do you remember he said, Lin can be a starter in this league? Now he said or implied Lin is a career bench player… after Lin-led Hornets franchise history win over Spurs…, and Cavs a few weeks ago…

  • Win

    What are you talking about? What is Lin WIn?

  • I agree.

  • PPP

    now my comment was deleted by the mod trying to reply psalm234 reply to me for the reason of banning. oh well

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • LinMad

    that’s not the problem I had with her. The problem was I disagreed with her saying that it was perfectly fine for Cliff to say that the Spurs game was not any better than the Nets game. And she claimed I insulted her which I didn’t. She posts something outrageous like that and expects everyone to ignore it?

  • Win

    I just came out of the hockey penalty box because I cursed on Clifford after that stupid interview.

    🙂

  • Joe what do you know

    No not you. Someone just jumped on a response from me to another poster. It’s ok. Not like I haven’t copped similar things from him before. Anything that’s remotely not in-line with his opinion will have to endure his ferocious attack.

  • DX

    Congratulations!

  • Alain Gervais

    Wait wait explain what rule ganging up Breaks?

  • Win

    Tks! 🙂

  • LinMad

    Ya but this site is about being positive with Lin not negative. It doesn’t say anything about being negative towards Clifford or other players as long as I don’t use any name calling. I called out Clifford for a reason. And then I called out SWS for trying to defend Clifford. She lost the debate apparently and earned a ban on top of it too.

  • PPP

    phew….

  • Alain Gervais

    I said people was ganging up on SWS which they where and it got deleted. Like i said this group include some mods. Explain to me what rule i am breaking by stating a group was going ever an individual which you can see below is breaking

  • LAJane

    “Most” is looking a bit narrowly through your own lens. As Lin has taught us, staying positive is possible when that is your commitment. I’m with Psalm234’s comment above – wouldn’t want Lin to be turned off by our fan site.

  • Mods usually would give warnings or put the instigator into a short-term ban.
    Posters who retaliate by breaking rules will get warning.

    In this case, attacking mods is a definite no-no
    We can’t do so and still have order in this forum

    Faithful Lin fans would always have multiple chance.
    We don’t like to put people in a permanent unless they repeatedly break the rules and undermine the mods

  • LinMad

    You make it sound so horrible. No one ganged up on her. She asked for the attention with her post. She should have crafted it better knowing how we would react to it. She’s been here long enough to know this.

  • Win

    That’s her pov. Beside, by now we should all know that most NBA coaches only BS to reporters and move on.

    Didn’t see the insulting part as I was just out of the ban today. But anyway, I think we all should move on and hope Lin can have a Linsanity game against Piston!

    Go Lin!

  • Alain Gervais

    Psalm Honeslty i wish you made your mod choices better. Ganging up synonym Amass,bring together, collect, gather and manny more. How is this insulting.

  • Alain Gervais

    WHAT RULE DOES IT BREAK? Gang up simply mean a bunch of people

  • PPP

    really?

  • LinMad

    Well she did name calling on someone which is against the rules. You just make it sound like we plotted to get her banned or something. We just reacted to her post and she reacted back poorly and got banned.

  • Joe what do you know

    Alain’s focus isn’t on whether his statement was correct or not. It’s on whether it broke the forum rules and warranted deletion.

  • LinMad

    I just explained it and the mod did too a few posts below.

  • Win

    Yup. I have used a lot of curses words after I saw the interview but Clifford. That was the reason I got a short term ban.

  • I am The Jason

    This all sounds nice and good, but not everything is positive, just saying.

  • Joe what do you know

    LOLOLOLOL

  • donsmacau

    That’s not very nice – that is a very derogatory way of backhandedly attacking the Mods.

  • Alain Gervais

    Its funny this group gets away with all types of insult but Let anything be insinuated even a little. DELETE… Had someone tell me not that long ago for me and SWS to hold hand clearly saying because i agree with her I’m Gay or in a relation ship with Him/her. But i get deleted.

  • PPP

    what has she said? can’t find what she has violated the rules. can you link the post please?

  • Win

    I kinda think so too as I have saw a lot of debating every time SWS post her thoughts about the team and coaches.

  • LinMad

    Put it in this perspective. If you wear skimpy clothes and walk down NY, people will stare at you dirty. That’s what happened and SWS couldn’t handle it so the mod simply told her to come inside her house and change her clothes. Go wear something more classy.

  • LinMad

    You’re on a Lin fan site. If you’re not here for Lin then go back to ATH. It’s not hard.

  • People need to understand that when your posts disappear, there are 3 possibilities
    1. Disqus automatically categorizes the post as Spam (multiple edit, repeated posts, etc.)
    2. Disqus put things in pending due to objectionable words
    3. Users flag the post to put them into pending to be reviewed by mods
    4. Mods delete the posts

    I see a lot of posts in pending because they were flagged by other users.

  • PPP

    wow…

  • Joe what do you know

    ermmm…. I’m not so sure if this metaphor is entirely politically correct….

  • LinMad

    yep, I already knew this. Apparently there are a lot of users here who don’t understand how disqus works.

  • Win

    Actually, this is the perfect example on why we human race can not be united. It is cruel but it is the true

  • Alain Gervais

    Exactly for what an opposing idea. This is not a fair system. Its a system that work by the group. Lol a gang if you may

  • Lefon Jang

    You need to stop!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You create your own website then you set your own rules. Actually you can do whatever you want. Here they have their own rules which they believe it’s their best interest.

  • LinMad

    Welcome to the real world.

  • Alain Gervais

    wheater or not i break the rules don’t matter. Its whether people like me

  • Win

    Probme is, how can you define whether a poster is a true Lin’s fan or not.

  • LinMad

    When they aren’t oblivious to Lin’s mistreatment or constantly defending others instead of Lin. This is a place to speak positively about Lin right?

  • CJSHYY

    Feel the same way.

  • PPP

    are you one of the mods? owner of this site?

    is this considering trolling?

    Im confused, smh

  • Win

    That is not a standard. That’s your own pov.

  • Alain Gervais

    People are just spamming Post they disagree with to get it deleted. This is basically an Oligarchy

  • I am The Jason

    There are many types of Lin fans. Just because someone does not see a situation the same as someone else does not negate their loyalty to Lin.

  • LinMad

    No, I’m just speaking my mind as a true Lin fan

  • LinMad

    Mods agree with apparently and majority of Lin fans here do too. It’s funny how you guys only pop up when SWS was banned.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I reply to them not delete them.

  • Alain Gervais

    Thx for that

  • Win

    SWS got ban by calling name. Not her opinions.

  • The Disqus user flag is not designed to punish an opposing idea, but to allow other users to flag objectionable posts when no mods are present.

    It’s not an ideal system as @Maknusia:disqus mentioned before but it’s necessary since mods can be here 24×7 since they have jobs and personal lives

    I have raised the number of users recently

  • Win

    That’s your pov as well about the true Lin fan part.

  • MoominFloren

    What happened?

  • Alain Gervais

    What I’m noticing The mods you have picked have favorites. They seem to have a clique . If your in it. Rules don’t matter as much. If you are not in that group or oppose them in debate. You better watch you word because if it even come close to breaking the rules or can be insinuated as breaking the rule. Your deleted

  • PPP

    a true lin fan should act like lin. how he treat people even if they have different opinions.

  • Uh-Oh

    It’s your accusation that people found not right. (Of those who might flagged your post) And speaking of people gang up on pushing sws94 out, I also see people gang up to pull sws94 back. So there you go. Always two side of the story.

  • Joe what do you know

    Alain. I feel you. But please just calm down and let the deletion matter slide for now…. We don’t know what mechanism was triggered for the deletion yet… Perhaps we can come back and look at it later.

  • Win

    100% agreed

  • Currently, it requires 15+users to flag the posts to be put in pending

    But keep in mind, Disqus can also do so automatically

  • GoJLin!

    I feel for you, Clifford did said something we did not appreciated and hurt Lin fan’s feeling; but curses words not going to help the situation and the anger may hurt our own heath, plus one of the rule for this site is “respectfully disagree. Hope you feel better now! Go, JLIN Go!

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats fair. The user said The word gang up. Whichh simply means a group. I ask how did those words break the rule. Surprisingly the person has disappeared .

  • Let’s not alienate fellow JLin fans.

    We’re trying to have fellow JLin fans to get along.

  • Win

    Wow. I thought I am a die hard Lin’s fans that what it got me banned from realgm. Now I can see that I am nothing compare to some self proclaimed true Lin’s fans.

  • i’m doubtful that the majority of Lin fans are happy SWS was temporarily banned. “doubtful” as in, I really don’t know. i’m certainly not happy about it.

  • LinMad

    ok then why are you attacking the mods about their decision?

  • LinMad

    then try what she did and name call me.

  • Alain Gervais

    It was JLin from Australia said they deleted it for saying Gang up. I took her to task Got no respond. Mods should be reasonable and fair. Im not seeing this ill move on it doesn’t matter. You should of chosen wisely when choosing mods.

  • Joe what do you know

    That what I wish I can become. What’s the point of following Lin if you don’t want him to be your moral compass in some ways…?

  • what did she call you?

  • LinMad

    im on another level

  • Yascar

    Anti-LGBT law signed in North Carolina. I haven’t read it yet but if this is true, then the NBA is right to be taking a stand imo.

  • Joe what do you know

    lol…. welcome to the jungle…

  • Alain Gervais

    Like i said all this proves it some Lin fans are very unreasonable. To the point you can be follow Lin for years. Every game and you get hate just for opposing Them. These popped see me here every game. SWS as well watches every game. If they can get this hate. Imagine an opposing player or coach who knows nothing to title about Lin. Thats how hard Lin fans can be

  • james brown

    simply put..we need to attack the opinion and not person…ALWAYS

    if one can’t stand the heat, get out of the fire because it can burn you later

  • LinMad

    Is that the same law that they’re trying to pass in Georgia? I heard Disney and a bunch of companies plan to pull out of that state. Would cost them $6 billion a year

  • LinMad

    get used to it. I’ve been banned from Lin fan sites before. It’s part of the Lin fandom.

  • Alain Gervais

    That analogy don’t work if a person has water to put on the fire. They are using the power given to then to take out opposing ideas

  • Yascar

    Here’s what I’ve found so far. Some big companies with offices in NC have also condemned it.

    http://deadspin.com/the-nba-is-deeply-concerned-about-north-carolina-anti-1766958687

  • Joe what do you know

    Not sue….. I heard on the news yesterday, something about Georgia’s homophobic legislation and Disney’s decision about whether to pull their production out of said state. Wondering if there’s any connection….

  • LinMad

    I bet you Chick fil A has no problem with it. Oh wow, Charlotte could lose the all star game next season.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lol I’ve never been banned not once. Ive been on both site. I always follow the rule so no its not normal to be unreasonable. Ive been on these type of sites since Knicks days not one Ban. On any site

  • Win

    That’s reminded me for staying late to watch the Lakers’s game. So I hope if Lin do decide to leave, please pick a east coast team.

  • Joe what do you know

    Not just Lin. Look at Kobe fans…..

  • Win

    I have been banned twice. First was because I was defending and the mod said I was derailing the thread in a game thread. Second was right after Clifford post game interview.

  • LinMad

    Yep, looks like Georgia might do it too
    http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/24/media/time-warner-georgia-discrimination-bill/

    Welcome to the Republican party

  • Alain Gervais

    yea Never got a good sleep .

  • LinMad

    so you must be Lin Win, I remember I had some influence in getting you banned

  • LinMad

    I think Lin fans are more rational though. But both fandoms are very passionate.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yup. Nintendo fanboy, sony fanboys, batman fanboys are the worse though lol

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s for sure…

  • Win

    But I highly doubt NBA players will check every forum and see what people say about them. I strongly believe they would rather go parting or something.

    Example: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25417734/jason-kidd-not-thrilled-his-bucks-went-to-strip-club-night-before-lakers-loss

  • james brown

    and a poster here must know the boundary of his right to post,,beyond that are mods power

  • Win

    lol. I am not LIn win. I got banned because I curse at Clifford.

  • aras

    aaah Sws is a her….i’ve called her dude all the time…lol

  • Alain Gervais

    Its mostly twitter and instagram. Thats how Bev replied to Ido i think. It was very public during the Rox days. Ido again got into it with a charlotte site where eLin had to Come in to relax both parties

  • james brown

    for as long as poster here are respectful irregardless whether they are a fan or not can be acceptable in my point of view.

  • Win

    Beside, I normally don’t debate with poster because 1st, my english and grammer is not very good. Second. I choose to ignore them instead of arguing with them

  • GoJLin!

    Hi Win, Clifford did said something we did not appreciated and hurt Lin fan’s feeling; but curses words not going to help the situation and the anger may hurt your own heath, plus one of the rule for this site is “respectfully disagree. Hope you feel better now! Go, JLIN Go!

  • Win

    And the first time I got banned was by realgm. They banned permanently.

  • aras

    So why did Sws get banned? i had good discussions with her?

  • Joe what do you know

    You don’t know Rolex fanboys….. tsk tsk tsk…..

  • LinMad

    she called someone a name, i guess she was pissed

  • james brown

    again, whether we agree or not is immaterial if we exchange views with Respect

  • kauaiblue

    I dont understand. Isnt batman just a dude, while superman is like this alien who has superhuman strength, laser eyes, freeze breath, and can fly? How is this a fight?

  • Win

    Yup. I just learned that from Psalm as I have sent him and email and ask him why I got banned. And he did reply and told me why. I will be more careful in the future posting. Tks!

  • Rick Johnson

    Pete Guelli ‏@PeteGuelli Mar 23
    http://ESPN.com “HORNETS’ ONSLAUGHT CONTINUES” CLT has been outplayed in past 6 weeks by only GSW & Spurs.
    https://twitter.com/PeteGuelli/status/712693669585895424

  • Alain Gervais

    Omg i forgot. Harden fanboys. Lol But its not as crazy as Batman fanboys. They say he can beat anyone. Even batman If he has time to prepare lol for what. They guy is an alien who gets stronger by the sun

  • CaliUSMC

    Sws = not a dude? O_O

  • LinMad

    i do cause I can afford them.

  • aras

    apparently not -.- i thought so too.

  • Alain Gervais

    I always assume everyone is a guy. …..My mistake.

  • heart

    Moving on… Let’s clear this up if Cliff misspoke or gave ‘awkward’ answer like someone led us to believe. To me it’s so far from the truth! At mark 1:14min, Cliff said NB “….. made Jeremy played really well again tonight…” Listen and judge for yourself: https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSE/status/712471722625118208

  • Joe what do you know

    Nice… Sub?

  • LinMad

    Just don’t curse or name call. You can hate on Clifford but just be more civilized like me.

  • Alain Gervais

    lol i taught you said rox fan boys lol……(awkward)

  • CaliUSMC

    I thought JLin Fan from Australia was a dude for the longest time O_O

  • LinMad

    I got banned from ATH pretty quickly. I think after my first post, I got banned cause I was defending Lin.

  • Alain Gervais

    WAAAATTTTTTT?

  • Win

    Now I remember. A mod blocked me because they said my user name is similar to one of the poster. But later on they found out i am not him so they unblocked me. And just now a poster keep asking me if I am Lin Win. Lol. Who is Lin Win anyway?

  • Joe what do you know

    Same…. especially in watch forums and gaming forums….

  • Joe what do you know

    eye test, eye test warranted…. lol

  • Win

    He did. And to me his is a mediocre coach who only care about winning to save his job. That’s not a bad thing as that was why Lin has his chances to shine!

  • CaliUSMC

    …U.. lol Who cares man. Just stay positive.

  • Alain Gervais

    I am warring glasses. 4 eyes failed me. I to get my eyes check for a new prescription but i Didn’t want to go to the doctors so i brought new glasses with my old prescriptions lol

  • Win

    Haha. Yup. I just want Lin can prove what he can do this season. So go Hornets so that Lin can show what he can do during playoff too.

  • heart

    Why is your name ‘Win’ cannot be opened? Just curious…It’s not highlighted like others.

  • John Focker

    Break the rule, do the time, simple as that.

  • Alain Gervais

    Honestly if some of these girls showed their faces i would never have arguments with them lol

  • Win

    I have no idea.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOLOL Thanks!

  • Lefon Jang

    I hope it’s a two-minutes minor and not a five-minutes major penalty.

  • LinMad

    I wouldn’t say Cliff only care about winning. If he did he would utilized Lin better. IMO, he only cares about keeping his job and satisfying the franchise players who are Kemba and Batum. It’s also why I believe he made that comment about the Nets game being just as good as the Spurs game. Since the leading scorer was Batum.

  • Win

    Lol. Same here and I apologize. 🙂

  • freemind

    Replayed it a few and that was exactly what I heard too.
    He probably took notes from fans saying how Lin made the team played better and reverse that on his fans LOL and smh .. a good coach should always acknowledge player contribution and give credit where it’s due.

  • heart

    What about Lin? He made several winning shots in critical games. Have not heard Cliff mention any of Lin clutch plays!!!

  • Alain Gervais

    I disagree he is a pretty good coach. Whether he is the best for Lin is debatable. I think he is. The moment before about Lin was not the best but he is pretty good.

  • Win

    He did and mostly at the clutch time. Clifford just doesn’t believe Lin as a PG which was a mistake imo.

  • John Focker

    Psalm said it is short time ban for cooling down. The Mods here are lenient and tolerant.

  • Win

    I don’t know buddy. His offensive plays are awful

  • LinMad

    Also early in the season, I remember him defending the starters when BF1 was a real thing. When Lin and Lamb were both outscoring the starters. I remember Cliff would say something like starters don’t get enough credit and they play against harder players than the bench does. That the starters are doing really well even when a reporter asked him why they were under-performing. Even though, they were always being outscored by the opponent’s starting unit, Cliff was not going to say they were doing bad.

  • Alain Gervais

    Kemba is just a flawed player. I don’t think any coach would his issues. He is a short SG

  • james brown

    yeah instead of addressing the issue, he defend it for the sake of defending.

  • Win

    It is NBA politics. it maybe a direct order from FO or even Jordan. I also suspect that Jordan only see Lin as golden egg.

  • Alain Gervais

    Well…… not to everyone. More lenient to some who the may or may not agree with

  • LinMad

    me too. I have a feeling MJ likes Lin. Whether he can afford to keep him or not is another issue. But I wouldn’t think that MJ would want to downplay Lin like Cliff does. Cliff has his favorites and he wants them to get all the love.

  • Win

    I mean the offensive plays he drawn is so simply and there aren’t many of it. You can kinda tell that they repeat the same play time and time again in a single game. Maybe he is a defensive mind coach? I don’t know. But offensively just…..

  • james brown

    a good coach will see immediately the issue and adjust on it..most of the time, cliff aggravates the situation by his actions. and i speak generally about all of his players.

  • Win

    I mean MJ like Lin because of the Asian market, not is bball skill.

  • james brown

    a defensive coach will make adjustments immediately regarding one player with defense deficiency, but most of the time he becomes blind and blinded

  • Alain Gervais

    HE is more of a reactor then an aggressor . Dantoni played a certain way ever game no matter what. PNR all the time lol. Cliff does what works. If one play works he will do it overtime until they stop it.

  • Lefon Jang

    Let it go Alain. The call is made, there’ll be no review.

  • Alain Gervais

    ok ok ill let it go

  • james brown

    then he might be a passive reactor for his adjustments were all so slow

  • Win

    I luv Dantoni when he was coaching the Suns. Their games are mostly very excited.

  • Alain Gervais

    yea it is. Thats the problem. Michael was much quicker. Lin always got the short in from it. Now theater Lin i struggling or not he plays 22-25 if he play good he get more then that.

  • Alain Gervais

    agree

  • Joe what do you know

    Like I said before…. Kemba is the chosen Alpha dog. Batum is Clifford’s little pet project. No surprise Clifford is wearing tinted glasses when talking about his favourite lieutenant….

  • John Focker

    I expressly remember that when someone “new” came in with a deliberately provocative and offensive handle (along the lines of LinFanGirlsAreAnnoying), JLin Fan from Australia politely asked the commenter to change it, leading to further taunting, mockery and provocation from said commenter. She then verified with other Mods for group consent before finally banning. So no, she does not frivolously ban, if anything she’s too cautious, I would’ve banned the troublemaker for the deliberately offensive handle alone (which was designed to antagonize certain demographic). On another instance, I got a little short with Maknusia, but never got banned.

    Bottom line is, if it’s established that rules have indeed been broken, citing other circumstances would matter little. Speeding to go to the bathroom is a legit physiological need, but it’s still speeding.

  • LinMad

    I doubt it. He looks more excited when Lin does well than Kemba doing well. Also, I truly believe he likes team basketball more than iso. That there should be no heroes on his team.

  • Alain Gervais

    Fair. The rule in general are flawed like anything human create so ill move on

  • Win

    Indeed

  • james brown

    don’t wait for him to be true to himself…maybe he will tell the truth when he’s out of hornets, but right now, he is favoring players who can get him FIRED!

  • your son’s voltaire

    ok. what in the world happened here today? someone got banned and i wasn’t here to savor the moment? j/k

  • Alain Gervais

    MJ is huge in china though

  • Yascar

    Psalm I consider myself a reasomable poster and you may not agree. But some of your mods require lessons in diplomacy as well. It gives the impression they are biased too.

  • Yascar

    Well said.

  • heart

    hahaha, thanks for making me laugh after reading that long thread about banning… ‘favorite lieutenant’… you mean, the co-captain? lol…

  • John Focker

    How’s “no name calling” a flawed rule? Without such rule this place would sink to the level of our old turf.

  • aras

    People here need to respect the basketball JINX If lin Has good games hope for a bad one because then the JINX will reverse inte a jinx against a jinx thus imploding. thats what i have done and it has worked like a charm.

  • Alain Gervais

    Read below. Its takes to much energy I’m moving on. It is quite flawed

  • Win

    He is. But no Hornets.

  • Alain Gervais

    I agree with this

  • Alain Gervais

    Agreed

  • your son’s voltaire

    pft. i’m one step ahead of you. i’ve been reversing the reverse jinx for years. let’s go Linsanity!!

  • Joe what do you know

    Well…. I think the order of the pack should probably be Kemba>Cliff>Batum.
    I personally believe Batum is like a little puppet who was “told” by the FOs that he is included in the little circle of power. And that he is oh so great and deserves the best. But I think Batum is a willing team player by nature, he’s just been guided by the wrong people with wrong direction for the team…

  • heart

    you’re funny…lol.

  • Win

    Hopefully not. But have an ISO player is not a bad thing. Some time you just need an explosive ISO player to change the rhythm time to time. Like Nick Young. But IMO Kemba is a better ISO than Nick.

    The true problem is, Kemba is a SG not a PG

  • LinMad

    I thought SWS was a guy too. If I knew she was a girl I’d still put her on blast

  • aras

    aaaaaaha so its you that is the legendary reverse jinx jinxer people have talked about. salute Sire

  • John Focker

    Mods, I got a post stuck again, most likely due to editing…

  • LinMad

    why don’t you just copy and repost it and add an extra period at the end? That’s what I do

  • heart

    In games, I keep hearing co-captain referring to KW. Is NB a co-captain also or MW? Yep, Cliff is a ‘yes’ man afraid to get fired by the current franchise player, KW.

  • Joe what do you know

    I think the other Captain is AL…..

  • Epie

    Haha, I thought you were Lin Win too.

  • Alain Gervais

    the rule is subjective. If you coming from a point of view where you agree with someone you will be more lenient. If not you may look for the person you don’t agree with to come close to breaking the rule and penalize them anyways just for appearing to break the rule even if they didn’t actually. Again subjective

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    well Legendary is my middle name and i eat jinx for breakfast

  • LinMad

    I doubt it. If coach was the best coach for Lin, he would play Lin at PG and not statue of Linberty.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Please check and see whether I’ve approved the right post. Thanks!

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    anything for Lin fans! 😀

  • LinMad

    MDA kept opponents guessing. Cliff hopes opponents aren’t guessing.

  • John Focker

    The question is simple, was there name calling or not? Anything else is just a diversion from whether the offense took place. The definition of name calling can be subjective, but the rule is not.

    Truth is I’ve butted heads with some Mods here before, and to this day I’ve never been banned, because I observe the rules.

  • Alain Gervais

    no there wasn’t to be exact i said people was “ganging up ” on SWS i got deleted for it. Ganging up is no different then gather. So no i didn’t name call

  • LinMad

    ya I agree that he’s an SG more than PG. But I don’t think ISO is deserving of 30-40 minutes of playing time. ISO players should only be used sparingly. Like if they want to disrupt the defense. Too much ISO can hurt the team as a whole. Too much watching.

  • John Focker

    Thanks, you got it! The Disqus “quick Edit” lock is too aggressive.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Not much we can do. My own posts have been under moderation for many occasions and I had to go in to approve myself:-)

  • cdblue10

    All of you are in moderation?Sorry I’m the solely good soul today…LOl.

  • LinMad

    but I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think Batum is that type of character that wants his coach to kiss his butt every game. It’s just funny to see him do it. Lin has already gave props to Batum multiple times this season that was deserved. Same with Kemba. I think Batum really likes Lin. And Kemba does too. This is all lip service that is coming from Clifford’s own head. Cliff chose Batum so he wants Batum to be in the spotlight. But he’s stretching it.

  • Joe what do you know

    Wife suggest Zootopia as our Good Friday movie date….
    Bid you all goodbye for now and a happy easter!

  • cdblue10

    No Wonder Woman

  • Joe what do you know

    Actually….. I’m the one who wants to watch it…. lol

  • John Focker

    Which is why you didn’t get banned.

  • Win

    Agreed. Or from FO or even MJ.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yes but Why delete it?

  • cdblue10

    Get some inspirational quotes from the movie,I heard it’s pretty good.

  • John Focker

    I know that, that was a stab at Disqus exclusively. It must be something new, wasn’t always like this.

  • Win

    You maybe right but honestly, Kemba is not going to coming off the bench for 20-25 mins. Not after Hornets invested so much on him whether or not it was a right or wrong decision.

  • John Focker

    I don’t know, I had posts deleted before.

  • Win

    Haha. I can see that you still won’t let it go.

    🙂

  • LinMad

    I don’t think there is jealousy between Kemba and Lin or Batum and Lin. I truly believe they are friends and like to root for each other. But I do feel that there is jealousy between Cliff and Lin. As in, why does Lin keep getting the media attention and his favorite boys don’t?

    Basically, Cliff wants his boys (Kemba and Batum) to be in the spotlight and he despise when Lin gets it. I genuinely feel that Kemba and Batum does root for Lin. I see them on the bench all the time going crazy when Lin does well. Cliff is always on the sideline, never defending Lin when he gets no calls from refs. Cliff is quick to defend Batum or Kemba and get a technical but when it comes to Lin, Lin might get benched for a TO or a non call.

  • Alain Gervais

    He is making me question i tried but he wanted to know

  • K

    Can’t agree more! As a fan, we promote Lin.

  • Win

    Again, maybe not Clifford. Maybe the front office and MJ. They invested so much on Kemba so they won’t benched him. They wanna resign Batum so they gotta to everything to wow him.

    Hornets is not a big markets like LA or NY. Not many so call stars wanna play in Charlotte.

  • Alain Gervais

    Im moving on. ITs flawed as a system

  • LinMad

    Who brought in Batum though? Did Clifford had some influence in it?

  • Alain Gervais

    I disagree i think Cliff want Lin to succeed and Lets him play his game when he is doing well. Lin help him beat Cle and Spurs. Last few games have been less of Al while lin was doing well

  • Win

    Chicago Bulls look done this year. They are on their to lose to Knicks back to back.

  • LinMad

    No, I think any rationale coach would have started Lin with Kemba and Batum. I know Clifford will give all the rein to his favorite players and defend them to the end. Cliff coached Lee before and that’s why I believe was signed to Charlotte and got the green light to start over Lin. I’m surprised, maybe Cliff actually has more influence on which players to trade for than we actually think. I don’t think this is all on the FO.

  • John Focker

    Agreed, Isaiah Thomas is flawed! LOL

  • Alain Gervais

    Its tough his height is an issue at sg. Teams go at him because of his height. Some teams have the player to take advantage of him with 6’7 SGs

  • Win

    I have no Idea but maybe Cho? He knows Batum ever since he was a GM in Portland.

  • Win

    I hate Isaiah Thomas so much. He is a jerk. Trashing around the all star voting period.

  • Alain Gervais

    lol

  • Win

    Trashing Lin

  • LinMad

    It’s not like Lee is that much taller. Maybe one inch taller than Lin. And Lin can defend well now. Idk really wants up with Clifford, but I do know there is a little jealousy going on. I’ve seen it since the start of season.

  • Alain Gervais

    touche

  • Alain Gervais

    Jealous lol

  • LinMad

    Ok but I do believe it was Cliff’s idea to put more of the PG roles to Batum when he’s not really a PG.

  • Alain Gervais

    2 inches is a lot on defense

  • Win

    That’s for sure. I have no idea why Clifford doesn’t trust Lin as pg.

  • LinMad

    I heard Lin is actually 6’4

  • james brown

    so its all on cliff them!

  • Joe what do you know

    There are so many speculations and possibilities. Anyone can say anything but at the end of the day, we don’t know any inside stuff FOR SURE. So I’m not really the type that like so speculate and GUESS what other people are thinking by relying solely on interpreting their words.

    But I can only say for sure, I didn’t like what Cliff “looked like”. Chinese culture has facial fortune telling, and Cliff’s face just stroke me as someone who’s not very genuine. I noticed it the first time I saw him but my education and self restrain told me not to dwell on superstitious things like that and to give him the benefit of doubt. I’ll leave it at that. For people who understands Chinese, Cliff’s face is what I’d call 奸相. Just my personal thoughts.

  • John Focker

    He’s far from the only one. I read from a Chinese reporter that DeMarcus Cousins very rudely discounts Lin to the point that it made his own Kings teammates feel awkward.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Joe what do you know

    Appreciate most of the Hornets fans’ support for Lin… It’s vastly different from Houston and LA….

  • james brown

    good choice of words!

  • Alain Gervais

    really?

  • takemeback2reaganyears
  • Joe what do you know

    I’m pretty sure Lin is 6’3″.
    The difference is that he didn’t inflate his height like some other NBA players have. Barkley was listed 6’6″ but he’s more like 6’4″. Some PF and C also list their height with shoes on to inflate their market perception and value when they first come into the NBA. Thats what I heard from various forums…. Lin’s a solid, no BS 6’3″

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I have read before, JLin is 6’3″ with no shoe; 6’4″ with shoe. Lots of NBA’s player measure their height with shoe + more. Some players heights in NBA record is more 2 inches higher than their “real” height.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes you just post what I tried to say below and you do a better job than me:-) Thanks!

  • Joe what do you know

    My pleasure…

  • GoJLin!

    Ha Ha, I don’t post much, but never in any moderation or stuck by Disqus. But did feel a little bid sad for Psalm’s headache. We do need to learn to respect the diverse opinions as long as it is true and not disrespect JLIN. We are here because we love JLIN and what he bring to the NBA! Best wishes to Lin & his family!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOL Have seen these posts yesterday. Thanks for posting.

    However, it’ll be my “nightmare” if JLin stays in Hornets

  • John Focker

    This video needs to be seen again…and again…and again!

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15050554

    How anyone can defend Harden’s D (especially here on this board) is the eighth greatest mystery in the world.

  • grover chang

    Lebron is going to lose his mind. Nets beat cavs tonight. My take on lebron remind me of Kobe the last couple years. He can’t get as much attention on the court as before so he makes drama in social media to keep attention on him.

    This year steph curry has passed lebron as best player in the NBA. Lebron will have an adjustment period to learn and accept that. He is not going to get better.

  • adele

    My only wish and prayer that he will be reunited with D’Antoni. No Hornets, no Rockets, please.

  • heart

    Harden actually played defense on Lin. He fouled Lin in the head w/no flagrant foul call from ref. Let’s make a note that 2015-2016 NBA season, Lin got whacked in the head by Kobe (Lakers), Melo (Knicks), & Harden (Rox), with no Flagrant Foul Calls. These are three former team players who had one time or another dissed him.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s a long shot but nothing impossible.

  • Lefon Jang

    The most important measurement is their wing span. Players like Wade has a very long arm so in comparison with others of the same height he has longer wing span.

  • HVJoy

    Thank you for the info. Apparently North Carolina is not as progressive as states like California or New York in equal-rights laws.

  • Joe what do you know

    Harden’s opponents be like…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Wow, they can’t fire anymore coach now.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If he played D like that he would only have enough energy to score 8 ppg.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Joe what do you know

    That’s true. That’s why some ppl were high on Lamb initially… He’s definitely physically gifted. Too bad his mind lacks concentration…

  • K

    The answer is let him start too in addition to bigger checks.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Just checked. He is just 31, pass his prime time so soon?? Any input?? I do know him somewhat but have absolutely no idea beyond the surface facts.

  • John Focker

    Four-year 60M or better and we’ll talk.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    If Cliff has let JLin start when MKG went down in preseason, then JLin will definitely stay. When MKG went down the second time, they brought Lee in. By their actions, my only conclusion is they don’t want JLin to stay. If they do, they only want him to take his second yr paid and then expect him to play him more when they need him to save their butts. If JLin chooses to stay in Hornets and play only around 15 minutes per game, well I have better things to do with my limited time next season than watching NBA.

  • It’s amazing to see the waves that reverberated from the Linsanity heroic effort to beat the Spurs almost single-handedly.

    If JLin keeps his focus on the last 11 games and the playoff, we could have a full-blown Linsanity fever at the right time.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    NBA may pull All-Star games out of Charlotte because of it’s laws allowing discrimination against gays in the workplace. so, all that hard work of padding kemba and batum’s stats will go to waste
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/nba-threatens-lost-charlotte-all-star-game-over-nc-anti-trans-law-235244562.html

  • grover chang

    Not so much the age but the mileage. He started out of high school and was drafted in 2003. Every year he plays deep into the playoffs and has gone to the finals five times.

    Most media say lebron is slower this year. He is still awesome, and will be awesome for many years but he isn’t considered the best anymore. Curry gets that title.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOL I want four-year 80M+ Less than that, forget it!

  • Yascar

    That’s what they are threatening to do. Not good for the Hornets but imo the right thing to do by the NBA. Now I want to see all this anti-discrimination talk come to life with regard to the only Asian-American player in the league. I’m obviously biased as a Lin fan, but I think they need to take a stronger stance about some of the things said about Lin in the past by journalists and even other players. I think it is mostly swept under the carpet.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    So seem like he is becoming KB. As compared to KB, who is doing better when they are in 31???

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    mmmh Interesting to know. When will we know the end result of this?

  • GoJLin!

    Don’t be so harsh to the Mods, they spend a lot of time and energy here so we can have a nice and safer site to visit; plus Mods also shall allow to have their own opinions, as long as the commands are true. We are here to support JLIN so are those Mods. Positive thoughts and positive/constructive commands are welcome on this site all the time! We love to share all the happy moments on JLIN’s career, and hope to encourage him & ourselves when situations is not that cheerful! God Bless!

  • grover chang

    So it turns out Nets head coach Tony Brown was very upset with their loss against the Hornets. He criticized his team in the media for the loss and warned there would be changes if their was not more effort.

    The result is Nets beat the Cavs. For some reason losing to the Hornets really ticked Coach Brown off and not the other 50 losses. *shrug*

  • zxcvb

    Lebron is still the greatest all-around player in the league, but he refuses to admit the obvious.

    There is one big problem with the Cavs and his name is Kyrie Irving. He doesn’t defend. He doesn’t make plays for others. He doesn’t even get to the rim that well. All he does is score for himself with his jumper. He’s a rich man’s Kemba who drags down the entire offense AND defense. But he’s Cleveland’s favorite son and a “star” with big stats, so Lebron thinks he’s not the problem. Instead, he gets Dave Blatt fired.

    Bring back Blatt and swap Kyrie for a solid two-way PG like Mike Conley and the Cavs would be right there with GSW and SAS.

  • grover chang

    I guess Kobe. He had 4 championships by 31. Lebron 2.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    His stock will go to the roof.

  • zxcvb

    Only if Melo leaves. Even then, I don’t see it. Dolan has too much pride/stupidity.

    I’m looking at Brooklyn way more than the Knicks.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    With that kind of money, Lin can become a coach killer. lol, jk.

  • John Focker

    Well, for Five-year 120M I’d say even Knicks, Rox and Lakers deserve consideration.

    Would love to see how anyone dares benching a 24M player… LOL. Only concern then would be Lin being ridden like Secretariat…48 min per game!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s just good enough for sitting down? haha

  • zxcvb

    It would be better if they kept the ASG while Lin were starting in Brooklyn. As a true starting PG, he would inevitably win the fan vote and start the ASG in Charlotte. Kemba wouldn’t even make it with Wall, Lowry, and IT. Hornets would be forced to watch Lin repping another team on their court.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    desperate times call for desperate measures

  • zxcvb

    To be fair to Charlotte, the city supports anti-discrimination laws, but the bigoted state legislature wants to overrule it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Talk that Melo, LBJ, Wade and C Paul will do Last Vegas 2.

  • John Focker

    Linsanity in New York stole all thunder, and rightfully so.

  • HVJoy

    Thank you for the link.

    “Losing the All-Star Game would be a blow to the Charlotte Hornets, a franchise looking to speed up its rebranding efforts following a relatively fallow period as the Charlotte Bobcats. Next February’s All-Star Weekend has been seen as an opportunity to broadcast the new-look Hornets to the world.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Sound like the Spurs did to the Heat yesterday.

  • zxcvb

    If it happened somehow, and he got to be a true starting PG, then why not? Lin belongs in NY (whether BKN or NYK). The energy at MSG during Linsanity was incredible. Never seen since the Riley teams of the ’90s.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Ok. Sorry for not making my question clearly. I’m more interested to know who is a better player in term of skills….

  • zxcvb

    Welp, he ain’t gonna be head coach next year, so he better enjoy it!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They won’t put big contract on the bench and they don’t want to hear the fans cheering his name.

  • zxcvb

    I don’t want to see them draft/trade for a ball-dominant SG.

    That’s one reason I’m pushing for Brooklyn. They don’t have the picks or trade assets to screw Lin over. Sean Marks is already scouring D-League and Euroleague for hidden gems to be developed over time.

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. I hope NBA ASG have to pull out of Charlotte for sure next season.

  • John Focker

    You can always count on karma biting one way or another, just a matter of when.

  • Joe what do you know

    I reckon they’re 2 different type of players with different skill sets. It’s hard to say who will win but it’ll be a very even matchup.

  • grover chang

    Lebron is considered a better all around player. He passes better, more athletic, and defends better imo. Kobe is know to be more clutch but the stats actually show lebron is more clutch with his fg percentage.

  • dave lam

    What ? No game tonite? I’m already suffering from Linsanity withdraw.

  • heart

    Hi Adele, haven’t heard from you… miss you here… Anyway, we know that Lin’s brother ruled out Knicks and Rockets. Those are probably out. So hopefully he will be leading/starting PG somewhere else. Staying w/ Hornets won’t make that happen. It’ll be exciting and apprehensive at the same this FA season.

  • edward93

    its crazy how much lin is being talked about this year. He has played very well this season, but his numbers were much better in Houston. Its crazy how the media can help or destroy a player’s image in the nba.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Do what I do, watch the highlight.

  • K

    We want justice! 🙂

  • donsmacau

    Spurs Coach Popovich Broken Every Barrier in the NBA why Not Asian Next?

    Pop has:
    – Oldest Player (actually 2nd oldest)
    – United Nations of NBA (French, Serbs, Argentinian, Italian)
    – First Woman Coach – “Coach Pop is the barrier breaker, I may have been the tool but pop thrust me through that ceiling”

    For the record I absolutely do NOT want JLIN going to Spurs and sitting behind Parker but I do want more interest in JLIN NOW and who knows in 3-4 yrs after a good Sixers run?

  • PPP

    Lin > Conley

  • PPP

    I take kb as much as i hate him, haha

  • PPP

    i didnt check, did Lebron been voted to all nba defensive team. I think kobe had been in for at least 2 years?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks everyone for the inputs. Just wonder. That’s all as I didn’t know much about these two. I only know old age KB last year but not 31 yrs old.

  • PPP

    if Melo, a big big if, can swallow his ego a little bit and really want to go for winning, knicks has much more talent than the Nets. Melo + KP pick and roll with Lopaz protecting the rim, a clear playoff team.

    but Melo…………………….ugh.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I plan to focus my energy on the next 11 games + playoffs. Worry about FA after all these are over:-) My hope and prayer is JLin stays healthy and plays less thought like last 3 games. I’m a happy camper:-) If JLin can go out in high notes, nothing will hold JLin in FA:-)

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Another player down:-( How many injuries which required surgery that A Davis has suffered since he begun NBA career??? Anyone knows???
    https://twitter.com/NBAcom/status/713198166485700609

  • JoeTeam

    but JLin has more impact on CHA than he ever did on HOU. We knew no Lin, no win there and here, and in LAL, but in CHA, it’s so clear and when Lin has been hot, the team rolls over opponents. Mini MVP really.

  • JoeTeam

    ha ha, maybe Lebron can come to GSW with KD ok, don’t get mad at me.

  • GoJLin!

    Yes, I like it, for that kind pay (beat Harden’s 5yr 80M), the team sure will start him! But if JLIN really like his Bible study group & CHA, I willing to give a discount (5yr 80M, starting position); his happiness is important too!

  • heart

    Me too. I’ve been praying for him to breakout and be explosive for the rest of the season and through playoffs. And yes, staying healthy is very important. That’s first and foremost actually after seeing him got clobbered so much last month.

  • Rick Johnson

    Parker getting old, slower. Spurs players don’t have egos and accept less money so the team to get good players and I don’t think make a big stink about going to the bench. If Lin plays better than Parker he will start.

  • PPP

    curious, how do you know there are group consent from the mods? you one of them?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    WOW so many gifts from fans who flew from Taiwan, HK to watch JLin games in Charlotte. They are truly JLin diehard fans in every sense.

    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/713200676738740224

  • PPP

    he is a lin hater if i remember correctly.

  • GoJLin!

    If (a big IF) JLIN cannot get the starter’s position, yes, welcome to the Texas, at Spurs, with his help, may be JLIN will get his first NBA ring! Pray he stay healthy and stay happy!

  • Maknusia

    wow…just logged in…was wondering prior to login, when i left the post count was 2xx something and now its around 8xx something; and I was wondering must be some breaking news being discussed!

    ComeOn guys…. we a group of enthusiastic Lin fan was longing to have a site where Lin fans and fans in general could share opinions and give support to Lin as a fan without all the negatively from trolls and haters.

    We hopped from forum to forum finding suitable place where everyone could post respectfully immaterial of their opinion or who they are (fans and no fans of Lin). Debate the varying opinion all you want but dont get personal.

    The forum rules are there for a purpose else this whole site would turn into a junkyard joke claiming to be a Lin’s Fan site who dont have iota resemblance of Lin’s philosophy

    @psalm234:disqus took great effort to start this site and get buyin from couple of Lin fans to be the Mods.

    Mods are human as well, at times, we might get emotional, but we like to stick to the forum rules as much as possible without taking sides. We spend huge amount of our time here to ensure to upkeep the moral of this site. Feel free to call us out and point if we did a mistake but dont go to a point to mock and attack the Mods.

    When we say respect, it is not exclusive to Lin alone, but to fellow members here, to his teammates and everyone else.

    OK enough of my ranting….cheers folks…Lets be the Lin Family that everyone can be proud of and as @psalm234 mentioned….Lin would be proud to step in here to read

  • grover chang

    He’s frequently injured as is Eric Gordon, holiday, anderson, and asik this year. Pelicans never had a chance to see what they could become.

  • heart

    Feel bad for AD. It’s bad that Pelicans have changed coach. I think the current coach is not as good as the last coach for some reason.

  • edward93

    thats true but without lin in houston the first year they never woud have made the playoffs

  • GoJLin!

    Thanks for Psalm and all the mods to spend a lot of time and energy here so we can have a nice and safer site to visit; Sorry, imho Mods also shall allow to have their own opinions, as long as their commands are true. We are here to support JLIN so are those Mods. Positive thoughts and positive/constructive commands are welcome on this site all the time ever since I visited! We love to share all the happy moments on JLIN’s career, and hope to encourage him & ourselves when situations is not that cheerful! Thanks to open and maintain this site!

  • Yascar, I do think you are very reasonable 🙂

    I understand posters and mods are not perfect and everyone would have personal bias. Also, we don’t know if anyone is under tremendous stress in their personal lives so I worry about the extensive negativity that we have been having lately.

    That’s why I encourage everyone to extend patience and forgive any perceived offense.

    Thank you for being one of the posters with the voice of reason here

  • LinMad

    Cliff saying that “Batum made Lin play really well again” implies that Batum is also the reason Lin did well against the Spurs?

  • BobbyH

    Cliff said Jeremy. But I am not sure if he implied Lin or Lamb. I guess since he said the bench role about Lin, that pretty much exposed his true thought on Lin and turned most of poster against him, if not already.

  • LinMad

    It’s obviously Lin. Lamb didn’t play really well during the Nets game and the reporter did mention Kemba, Batum and Lin.

  • donsmacau

    So I guess after Batum allowed the five starters (including Batum) to score just 7 points in the entire first Quarter of a game — presto Batum decided to make JLin play real well after that historically humiliating piece of basketball Batum’s squad produced.

  • Batum did help with some assists to JLin but he was not the sole reason to enable JLin to play well.
    Clifford is merely navigating politics at the moment to affirm Batum as an important piece of the Hornets so he will resign next season.

  • It’s good that JLin shows support to family, especially to support NBA #LeanInTogether message to support women in our lives (even if he was not in the video).

    @JLin7
    My family is most important to me. Proud to do my part for the women in my life. #LeanInTogether http://youtu.be/4DelvMWO3Fk
    https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/713144998196330499

  • GoJLin!

    Forget what Clifford said; Lin is no stranger to carrying a team; even NB himself said Lin has been “huge” for the Hornets. NB also said “He did it (Monday) night in the second quarter to give us life, and he did it again (Tuesday) night,” Batum said. “I don’t think we would have won that game if he didn’t step up again for us.” At those two games, I saw NB & JLIN smile to each other! I think those two and Lee playing very well together.

  • LinMad

    in the expense of Lin fans being pissed and Lin possibly pissed too. Good job I guess. We really need this right before playoffs. This is stretching it. I think Batum would think so too. Batum said during Spurs game that Lin was the one bringing life back into the game. I understand he’s trying to keep Batum another year but that’s the wrong way to go about it cause it can create friction among players and fans. He should know this too.

  • Ben Johnson

    I’ve never heard that type of BS in my life watching the NBA, except maybe in reference to Jordan and Magic…it’s utter BS

  • LinMad

    Cliff just loves to defend his starters and he could care less about the bench. Maybe he should play the starters 48 minutes a night and DNP the bench.

  • Ben Johnson

    Dude, I am so tired of Cliffie and this team, turning out to be the Rockets all over again

  • BobbyH

    How about “MDA made Cliff coached really well” from media? What would be Cliff’s reaction?

    But we all know Cliff’s coaching is suspect at best.

  • Ben Johnson

    He probably would if he could, G-d knows he doesn’t think any of the bench scrubs are worthy of any minutes or sincere praise

  • LinMad

    Nothing close to MDA. He was also mentored by McHale I believe.

  • Ben Johnson

    I was against him the first day of the regular season…after JLin’s preseason, which probably was the best preseason performance in the league, he gets relegated back to the bench in favor of, um, PJ freaking Hairston, I knew Cliffie was just another puppet, or worse, a moron

  • LinMad

    True, I didn’t like the way he used Lin after preseason. It was up and down, then really down after Cavs game. Lin deserves every credit he can when he has a great game. He doesn’t need Batum or anyone taking his credit. He was put in impossible situations. I mean he’s PnR’ing with Al Jefferson. Apparently it’s working now cause Lin is just that guy who can get everyone on board.

  • Thank you for your understanding. I know the mods truly appreciate the sentiment.

    We all have real issues that are stressful in our personal lives so hopefully this forum will be a peaceful sanctuary to JLin fans. I applaud the mods who perform the thankless job to keep the peace here. Also the posters who help to create positive environment here. When it’s filled with negativity and personal attacks, people don’t feel like coming here (including the mods). It would take everyone’s effort to make this place a positive place.

    Perhaps we can make it such a positive and respectful environment despite different opinions that JLin won’t mind stopping by once-in-a-while to say hi =)

  • kauaiblue

    Thanks psalm, mak, mods, and everyone here!

  • GoJLin!

    After viewing some negative commands about JLIN fans, so glad to see this one :). Sweet, JLIN himself said “我有全世界最棒的粉絲!”. Thanks Lin for the encouragement! We will try to be like you, to be kind and not letting the unpleasant situation drive us. Stay healthy & be happy!

  • Yes, Batum knew the truth that they’d have lost without JLin so he showed mutual respect with JLin.
    I love the team camaraderie at this point.

    I just ignore Clifford who tries too hard to play politics. I heard his praises post-Spurs game interview but he just tried to hard to establish the other of Kemba/Batum as the main stars and JLin as the off-the-bench spark.

    But it’s good in the way that lessen the chance for JLin to stay as a backup there next season.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    yes, thanks mods for putting up with our shenanigans! 😀

  • LinMad

    oh ya true. 11 more games. I also heard Charlotte probably has no plans to keep Lin cause they can’t afford him. They like him, but they just can’t figure a way out to keep him. So maybe it is just politics but sometimes I think it’s genuinely how Cliff thinks. I’ve never seen a coach yell so much at one particular player all season for small mistakes while allowing other players slide by with bigger mistakes. Again, it could be politics but Cliff’s passion at yelling at Lin seems too real.

  • Ben Johnson

    Cliffie’s reaction when JLin drops 45 in Detroit…”Gosh, Batum is doing such a great job lately making JLin into an NBA level player. You know, Batum really should have made the all-star game with his special skills in making inferior players play well, it’s really a G-d given talent. You know, I really love Nic, what a great player, teammate, and human being…did I mention that I love him?”

  • LinMad

    Nah I think next game, Cliff is going to decide Lin will get 15 minutes so it is impossible for Lin to score over 25 pts. Less touches too. He’s going to make it so Hornets fans can say “Lin is inconsistent/in a shooting slump again” just like they did when Lin only got to shoot 3-6 times per game.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    he’s got all his eggs in one batum basket

  • JJ Hui

    Lol! You got it!!!!
    CC loves to say “you know” and “right?”

  • JJ Hui

    Batum praised Lin after SAS game “Lin gave us life”, if I remember correctly.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • LinMad

    he was wearing Brooklyn colors. Maybe he is sending a subliminal message.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    If I don’t know JLin, I would think he is just a handsome bookworm guy書呆子.

  • heart

    Stephanie prefaced her question saying the bench stepped up and she mentioned Jeremy Lin’s name. Then in his reply, Cliff said NB “….made Jeremy played really well again tonight….”. His answer implied and inferred it was NB who helped Lin to play well in Spurs and now Nets game. That’s my impression from the video clip, at mark :50 and 1:14min. :https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSE/status/712471722625118208

  • LinMad

    I guess his definition of helping Lin play better is to suck hard in the first quarter so Lin can come to the rescue in the 2nd qtr.

  • JJ Hui

    Remember Batum poured water on Lin’s head while Lin doing post game interview with Curry?
    They seem like good teamates n friendly on n off the court.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Next would be Lee who makes Lin play so well.

  • Ben Johnson

    I like Batum, great SF, weak SG…if he was the secondary playmaker to JLin in an offense, and primarily was a catch and shoot player who occasionally cut/slashed to the rim, and played hard defense, he’d be a perfect SF for JLin

  • JJ Hui

    The “again tonight” is toxic! The whole sentence is so stupid n doesn’t make sense!

  • heart

    There are still debate or doubt as to what Cliff had said bc someone on twitter had said that Cliff misspoke which in my opinion he did not. Here’s the video clip of Cliff had said about NB “made Jeremy played really well again tonight” in Nets game. The word ‘again’ implied in Spurs game too. Listen and judge for yourself. Starting at mark :50 w/ Ready mentioned Jeremy Lin’s name and Cliff’s answer at 1:14min. https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSE/status/712471722625118208

  • Ben Johnson

    Again follows the trend of opposing coaches having MUCH kinder words for Jeremy’s performances than his own coach, sad

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Full context: http://espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400828939

    “I think he is just confident,” Hornets coach Steve Clifford said. “He made Jeremy Lin play really well again tonight. Courtney Lee played well again tonight, but Nicolas really made the plays with the game on the line. He had the four-point play and the other pull-up jumper after that. When we needed him, he really made the big plays.”

  • Ben Johnson

    The sooner that JLin is back with MDA, the better…I can’t handle any more seasons with coaches that actively try to diminish JLin’s contributions to the team’s success

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I had two big and major discussions with two “JLin NBA experts/superfan” over the last couple days. They all said that I misunderstood Cliff…. He is good person….. Told them I disagreed with them. We just had to agree to disagree. They can’t change my observations and interpretations on Cliff.

    I’m just glad that I only have to watch another 11 games + playoffs. I have enough of Cliff and Hornets politics.

  • Lefon Jang

    Stephanie Ready mentioned Lin but then quickly led to Batum. It seems like Cliff wanted to talk about Lin but Ready never let him.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    That’s always the case since I followed JLin. Something wrong with JLin for history continues to repeat itself. mmmh Maybe I should stop to follow JLin and NBA altogether:-(

  • Maknusia

    Exactly….whenever I see a quote or statement that is not right or making any sense….I dont dwell on it much…not point harping on it…it just spoils one’s day…it better to throw it out of the window…and move on….

  • Maknusia

    are you sure…I dont think they worked together

  • heart

    Cliff gave full credits to NB to deflect the media from Lin to focus on NB. However, by doing so, the media and we Lin fans still focus on Lin, lol, and Cliff’s true face is revealed…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I saw Grace was twitting back and forth with them too (hope the same two). She didn’t agree with them either.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Oh JLin fans; please forgive Cliff. For he knows not what he is talking. It was a trick question and sadly he fell for it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Don’t forget the word AGAIN he used. That meant it also game vs SPurs.

  • heart

    Yep. I stated that above the video…

  • Ben Johnson

    Has anyone in the media acknowledged that in all of the team’s wins over elite teams (Cavs, Raptors, Spurs), that JLin was the unquestioned MVP? I haven’t seen any articles yet that mention this fact.

  • blubell

    Quarterly is ready to ship out the next box. I just received order confirmation. Can’t wait! 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not a trick question at all. Cliff is smart and he knows what and how to say it.

  • Maknusia

    agreed

  • blubell

    Yes, let’s not dwell and move on.

  • heart

    So glad that you did that. Some Lin fans from afar don’t have the full access or context of the interview and can be mislead…

  • Maknusia

    sandals again! 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It was supposed to move on but some youtube Lin fan twitted telling us to think other than what Cliff said.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    God has a plan and He always does.

  • Maknusia

    Lin’s PER36 looks good for the season. His usage, Shots blocked, shots attempt, FT and PTS as well better than season average and previous sessions

  • Maknusia
  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Linsanity documentary is just the first part.

  • heart

    As soon as Lin retires, I think I will too from following the NBA….

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Vote up for you but what’s quarterly?

  • Maknusia

    BTW, please do not down-vote a comment if you disagree with a poster. Only use the down-vote as your medium to highlight to Mods that comment broke forum rules or the poster is a troll. Thankyou

  • Rocky

    Do not like Cliff either. Regardless how he really sees Jeremy in his mind, his interview talks really does not think high of Jeremy. He emphasized that Jeremy “is” and “the majority of his career” has been a bench, a role player in the Spurs postgame interview. He refused to start Lin from the beginning, even though he painted a “possible starting shooting guard” opportunity to recruit Lin. He did not praise Lin especially in that post Spurs interview. A big contrast to other games when Kemba or Batum performed well. Both Cleveland and Spurs wins are historical for Hornets, but, that did not draw special praises on Lin from Clifford. You can tell what Cliff is.

  • Yascar

    They didn’t. Clifford worked with MDA but not McHale.

  • blubell

    Haha. Here is the link. Quarterly is a subscription box full of goodies that Jeremy personally selected. All proceeds goes to his JLinfoundation.
    https://quarterly.co/products/Jeremy-Lin

  • LinMad

    those weenies are fake right?

  • blubell
  • DaBoss

    Clifford got it wrong. Baum was in the trenches with Jeremy so Nic knows d**n well who played lights out!

  • CJSHYY

    Of course w/o Lin they will not be able to make it to where they are now… Batum & Kemba maybe have good stats but just not enough….

  • Yascar

    The thing about this Mel is that Jeremy chose this team, this coach, this city. You and I had a bit of a run in during the off season because I kept saying I didn’t think Cha was such a good idea, particularly as it was a back up position for a lottery team last year. Just made no sense to me, or a lot of people in this forum at the time. I finally quieted down when Jeremy appeared to be happy and had done his due diligence to choose his team. You told me then to trust Jeremy’s judgement, to support him whatever happens. Jeremy has since shown nothing but respect for this coach and these teammates.

    Why can’t we now quiet down about these issues and just support Jeremy? I for one have never been so excited to see Jeremy at the play offs this year after such a dismal season last year.

    And yet here we are, 11 games to go, bickering like children about something stupid that the coach said. It’s been put to rest and brought up again 4 or 5 times already. Why is it so important for people to be correct about their opinion or to be supposedly better at human judgement, then put other people down for not seeing it the same way?

    It’s unnecessary. Jeremy would be so ashamed of us – all of us – for the entire two pages of thread that just happened.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Got it. Thanks.

  • Maknusia

    Good props from CC on how Lin plays and what he brings and how he works hard on things constantly.

  • LinMad

    This smells like damage control to me.

    Whether Cliff genuinely feels this way or not about Lin, I think he may have been told to say this by FO cause they felt what Cliff said about Lin was wrong or not the right time. I mean they’re 17-4 or something and they don’t need any drama right now.

  • Maknusia

    I dont think so and would leave whats said been said…so be it

  • LinMad

    c’mon, it’s March 24th, the same day we all were outraged about what Cliff said about the Spurs game and Jeremy Lin and he dedicates 1-2 whole minutes of an interview to praise Lin? That’s rare.

  • CJSHYY

    No matter it’s damage control or not but it’s good for Lin bc that means Cliff will continue to use Lin more since they need him.

  • LinMad

    It’s not like he brought Lin up himself either. Interviewer was the one who initiated the Lin talk.

  • LinMad

    You’re right. Actions speak louder than words. Lets see how he is used next games.

  • DaBoss

    Sorry – but once Jeremy’s out of there they can kiss the new look Hornets goodbye!

  • PPP

    pretty good compliments about lin especially the defensive part. i really like how much lin has improved in that area. unfortunately he still views him as a bench player without any chance of starting for this team.

  • JoeTeam

    I saw that for both years, but I still think JLin rocked CHA much more than HOU.

  • JoeTeam

    I thought you flag trolls? Do mods get to see down votes?

  • Maknusia

    Let bygone be bygone…i would like to move forward as to whats next…on how CC uses Lin and to see Lin doing well the next 11 games and carrying it over to playoffs. I’m excited to even think about Lin being in playoffs again. I think this gotta be something special

  • Yascar

    You and me Mak. I’m worried for him and excited at the same time. Jeremy thinks this can become something really special and I can’t wait!

    Just to be able to look forward to Jeremy playing past the regular season is something in itself, after the horror of last year.

  • Maknusia

    there is a bucket for moderator called pending approval….at times, its flooded with more than 50 or 100 posts (at any instant)….so going thru it is a pain…at times…we just delete them all to keep the moderation clean and easier unfortunately good post do get deleted in the process just because some members disagree with the view, they downvote them

  • JoeTeam

    in short, keep it positive, enjoy 2 great games, and knock off all the bickering. I think that’s what you said.

  • blubell

    I agree. Everything has been said on this so there is no need to dwell on it anymore and vilify anyone. We are outside looking in. We don’t know exactly know what is going on and until we do, it is all guessing. Let’s not allow this to create a rift/division among JLin fans.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is the first he praises Lin since preseason games. Something must have happened in recent days. Let hope it will stay with him.

  • Maknusia

    and he ROX as well…due to his injury…he was to able to give it all.

    This season..he is building up the tempo as we enter the playoff mark and the feeling of it…is just great….

  • JoeTeam

    JLin came in with the moon ball and smoked 2 games!

  • LinMad

    or recent hours.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Nice. However, what your opponent says and thinks about you and your team carries more weight. San Antonio Express-News Postgame Wrap reporters Jabari Young and Tim Griffin gave credit to Jeremy Lin for Hornets’ win and “JLin was spectacular”.
    That is no self praise.

  • Win

    Now I forgive him (Only a little). This is exactly how Lin is right now. Good defends, get the balls into the paints even he didn’t shot well.

    However, this maybe a makeups for the previous garbage interview he had the other days.

  • donsmacau

    One interesting point : immediately you witness Jim Rome target right in on the Importance of beating the San Antonio Spurs and this time there was no attempt by Clifford to counter Jim Rome and say the Nets just as important – maybe Clifford still thinks so but he did not say it to Jim Rome.

    Nice words on JLIN but like everyone else – lets see if the actions confirm the words.

  • Win

    Maybe Pete Guelli finally convinced MJ that losing Lin = Losing big on Asian markets & $

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good followup question by Jim Rome, “what do you mean he plays wells but not shooting well?”

  • blubell

    I’m really happy that he’ll have more playoff experience. If he does well, it will increase his chance of becoming the 6MOTY and boost his value during FA.

  • Win

    Agreed. Jim Rome seem smart. Since his Studio is in Los Angeles, maybe he is a Lin’s fan too?

  • JoeTeam

    ok, so are you saying don’t down vote and use the flag to flag? Does that mean down votes go into mod? Sorry I’m confused.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No he’s not. If he were I would listen to his show daily.

  • JoeTeam

    great interview.

  • Win

    Very much possible. Maybe Jim is Clifford’s friend and he call Jim to help clean the mess. Or Jim is a fan of Lin as his studio is in Los Angeles

  • LinMad

    OMG…I suspect something big…the interview before Cliff praised Lin was about this (Nov 30th 2015):

    Steve on working with Kobe Bryant during the 2012-13 Season: “One of the great experiences I’ve had as a coach.”
    Working with Kobe Bryant | Kobe’s retirement | Kobe’s work ethic

    Yep. That could be it. Could be why Clifford doesn’t want to work with Lin.

  • blubell

    Flag the trolls. Downvote posts that violate the forum rules.

  • Maknusia

    Yup…thanks

  • Win

    Then the 3rd possibility should be Lin is getting hot so Media starting getting on Lin. If so, the victory on the Spurs really helps Lin. 🙂

  • PPP

    well, you will hear this bickering, whining, bitching, whatever you call it again and again after each game until the season is over.

    sad but true.

  • JoeTeam

    ok, got it.

  • heart

    What’s this about… can you elaborate?

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I think so. Vs Spurs it’s really big & important for Lin. Good to know more & more media start to report good about Lin now.

  • LinMad

    ask Byron Scott

  • blubell
  • LinMad

    losing Lin and also losing ASG cause of the anti LGBT law would be disastrous to the Hornets next season.

  • CJSHYY

    I really think MJ & whole Hornets know how important & good Lin is but Lin will not stay… they know it too.

  • LinMad

    I really like the Lee and Lin duo. They can really push the pace and break down the defense while both providing great defense on the other end. They are unstoppable when they are both in the zone. I think it’s more deadlier than the Lamb and Lin duo.

  • LinMad

    idk, it depends how far they make it this season. If they get close to a ring and Lin got to play more PG in the playoffs, I would guess that Lin would want to stay as long as he gets a much bigger contract and will be made a starter or 6th man. Also with bigger salary, Cliff might respect him more. I just wish Cliff would view Lin the same as he does with Batum or Kemba or even Frank. Frank has got a lot of support from the coach this season and he’s a rookie. It’s wrong that Lin doesn’t get the same support for his role as backup PG.

  • Joe what do you know

    It’s a real shame that Lamb is not in the right mindset. When he puts the team before his personal accolade like Lin does, those 2 will be quite unstoppable.

  • LinMad

    Ya I never heard him praise Lin this long before. It’s usually a one liner and on to Batum or Kemba for a minute.

  • LinMad

    true, I just wish Lamb didn’t dribble and hold on the ball too much. He’s a great shooter. I know he wants to make plays, but we got too many players who are well qualified for that already. This is partially Cliff’s fault though. Tbh, you can’t really say Lin is the backup PG when he’s standing in the corner without the ball most of the games I’ve seen. This whole Linsanity 2.0 started cause Lin got to touch the ball again.

  • bolero

    and Charlotte and Cliff have to play PR stuff. lol

  • blueCypher

    Hope lin can put ip another 20pt game tomorrow

  • CJSHYY

    I like Lin & Lee too it’s better than Lin & Lamb bc Lee is more willing to pass the ball.

  • blubell

    and another 20pt game on Saturday then become conference player of the week 😀

  • freemind

    Jeremy had a Lee-Lin Lamb lol

  • It’s great to see endless articles quoting the historic win of “Lin scoring 15pts in the 4th quarter” and “the largest lead squandered by the Spurs in the Tim Duncan’s 19 years era.
    Oh yeah, JLin just laughed up another Barclay security guard who asked for his credential after the Nets game 🙂

    This is a nice article covering Lee, Big Al, Marvin, Kemba, Batum and everyone’s contribution to turn things around when things looked bleaked with 17-20 record in Jan

    Hornets’ transformation has them surging in the East

    The Hornets have been fairly consistent on offense throughout the season. But tightening the reigns defensively factored into Monday’s historic win over the Spurs. Lin scored 15 of his game-high 29 points in the fourth quarter as Charlotte rallied from a 23-point deficit for the 91-88 victory. It was the Hornets’ second-largest comeback in franchise history and also the largest lead squandered by the Spurs in Tim Duncan’s 19-year career with the team.

    https://twitter.com/graceo99/status/713248037917700096

  • blueCypher

    His confidenc is on the up

  • Joe what do you know

    I also like to see some assists… I know it’s a bit too much to ask since he doesn’t have as much touches, but still…

  • LinMad

    “Hornets’ second-largest comeback in franchise history and also the largest lead squandered by the Spurs in Tim Duncan’s 19-year career with the team” how in world can Cliff say that the Nets game was …ugh i’ll drop it now.

  • LinMad

    a bit hard when there are too many players trying to play make. Batum, Lee, Lamb and Kemba. I did like how Al would pass to a cutting Lin though. That’s Alfense 2.0. An improved Alfense.

  • Joe what do you know

    thumbs up for avoiding what might’ve become…. I’ll stop here too…

  • Joe what do you know

    Man…. Nothing gets me as excited as seeing some fantastic passing. Grew up watching Magic and John…

  • Maknusia

    Again with the security?!!!LOL

  • Rick Johnson
  • Rick Johnson
  • I attribute it as a poor attempt to say “one win at a time”
    He did praise JLin’s being invaluable and played great defense at Jim Rome’s interview.

    Overall, these praises from coaches will help to shape the media in looking at JLin.
    So in that sense, Cliff is much better than McHale and BScott in giving credit to JLin.

    I still like MDA more than Cliff for the long-term but for now, it’s good that Cliff is helping JLin to be appealing for many NBA teams next season.

  • It has become comical now 🙂
    I’d say JLin needs to prepare to prank security by carrying “SI Cover” magazine around as his unofficial credential LOL

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! W his excellent performance vs Spurs… Lin is hot in FA…. hope more good game to come.

  • I like the sound of that 🙂

  • LinMad

    Lin never talks about FA during regular season. It’s been like this years. Nothing new.

  • Maknusia

    And a dunk?!

  • Joe what do you know

    I find it funny how there was the rumour in the beginning of this season, Lin said he was open for a NYK reunion but Dolan or someone from NYK shot it down? Now the situation is totally reversed. Look who’s chewing dirt now?

  • Maknusia

    yeah…thats it!…here you go…thats my pass!

  • Rick Johnson

    Imagine if Lin leads the Hornet’s to beat the Cav’s again? The FA market and media attention will go through the roof.

  • yes, it’s not worth the aggravation to let one bad quotes ruin our day.
    If we see all quotes and opinions, it helps to see the big picture.

  • Win

    Agreed

  • CJSHYY

    I hope it’s eastern final vs Cav… haha!

  • Maknusia

    Pass?! Here you go!

  • CJSHYY

    I think NY media really want Lin back that’s why they start all the news on Lin… But I believe Dolan didn’t say anything yet.

  • Maknusia

    Good article

    quote
    Shame on those who still don’t recognize Lin just a few steps off it. – Michael Wallace

  • sport

    I trust my instincts, Cliff is not to be trusted for misusing Lin for almost the entire season even marginalizing his minutes and touches to prop up Kemba’s stats at one point. Either way there’s no way Lin will stay if he can reunite with MDA.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes true, looks like media created rumours…. alright, moving on….

  • Win

    Hey Guys and Girls, I have just noticed that all of a sudden, you need to sign up in order to hear Jim Rome / Clifford interview. Strange…

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Just read the first session of the article. Can’t believe this:

    It happens so frequently now that Jeremy Lin doesn’t even bother wasting the energy to get annoyed by it too much these days.

    Still, as the first American-born NBA player of Chinese or Taiwanese descent, there are some arenas in which Lin might be better off simply leaving on his game-worn, official No. 7 Charlotte Hornets jersey at all times — from the moment he gets off the team bus until he returns to it after games.

    Otherwise, he’s likely to get stopped and carded by some security official.

    “It’s one of those things where it literally happens everywhere,” Lin told ESPN.com after Thursday’s practice in Detroit, where the Hornets will play the Pistons on Friday. “At opposing arenas, it happens all the time. Just the other night in Brooklyn, I was trying to leave [Barclays
    Center] and one of the ladies was like, ‘Hey, I need your credentials for you to pass.’ And then someone else was like, ‘Oh, he’s a player. He’s good.’ I’m used to it by now. It’s just part of being Asian in the NBA.”

    Lin laughed as he relayed the story. It’s part of his coping mechanism, but it’s also Lin’s way of shrugging off distractions and keeping things moving. Times are too good right now for his surging Hornets to allow anyone’s silly identification issues to disrupt their momentum.

    At this rate, Lin and the Hornets only care to be recognized as a legitimate contender in the East, one as capable as anyone of finishing the season strong and rolling through the conference playoff race.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Cavs was beated by Nets last game. Don’t think Cavs is quite hot now:-)

  • yessss …keep this as an iPhone Screensaver so he can just flash it to the security guard 😀

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think they are that good even they are #1 in the east right now. Hope Cliff continues to let Lin plays his game then Hornets maybe have good chance to beat Cav in East Final… Haha!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Just read the first session of the article. Can’t believe this:
    Hornets’ transformation has them surging in the East
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15062204/charlotte-hornets-hottest-team-eastern-conference
    It happens so frequently now that Jeremy Lin doesn’t even bother wasting the energy to get annoyed by it too much these days.

    Still, as the first American-born NBA player of Chinese or Taiwanese descent, there are some arenas in which Lin might be better off simply leaving on his game-worn, official No. 7 Charlotte Hornets jersey at all times — from the moment he gets off the team bus until he returns to it after games.

    Otherwise, he’s likely to get stopped and carded by some security official.

    “It’s one of those things where it literally happens everywhere,” Lin told ESPN.com after Thursday’s practice in Detroit, where the Hornets will play the Pistons on Friday. “At opposing arenas, it happens all the time. Just the other night in Brooklyn, I was trying to leave [Barclays
    Center] and one of the ladies was like, ‘Hey, I need your credentials for you to pass.’ And then someone else was like, ‘Oh, he’s a player. He’s good.’ I’m used to it by now. It’s just part of being Asian in the NBA.”

    Lin laughed as he relayed the story. It’s part of his coping mechanism, but it’s also Lin’s way of shrugging off distractions and keeping things moving. Times are too good right now for his surging Hornets to allow anyone’s silly identification issues to disrupt their momentum.

    At this rate, Lin and the Hornets only care to be recognized as a legitimate contender in the East, one as capable as anyone of finishing the season strong and rolling through the conference playoff race.

  • sport

    Cavs aren’t really that tough compared to GSW. Lets see how far this Hornets team can go. They will go far with Lin continues to be given 30+ minutes with touches as PG.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    He may get DNP-CD because of this:-) Someone or multiple persons in Hornets will get heart attack if JLin becomes conference player of the week:-)

  • sport

    Guess that security guard doesn’t watch NBA basketball.

  • It’s unfortunate but I found JLin’s response is truly effective.
    There’s bound to be people who won’t recognize him but he doesn’t let it simmer inside and bother him to stress him out.

    Lin laughed as he relayed the story. It’s part of his coping mechanism, but it’s also Lin’s way of shrugging off distractions and keeping things moving. Times are too good right now for his surging Hornets to allow anyone’s silly identification issues to disrupt their momentum.

    He just laughed it up and kept focusing on his plays and the playoff push.
    We can certainly use his coping mechanism to laugh more here 😀

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Why these flimsy articles are being posted on here?..These articles are simply re-write of previous articles written by other source..There’s absolutely nothing new about them…

    these articles are simply click baits…Many of them are not even written with proper English grammar.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Pete Guelli is very active in Twitter. He must hear about how unhappy JLin fans are with Cliff and Hornets…. Agree it’s more damage control.

  • Maknusia
  • Lefon Jang

    There’re many of us here that doesn’t write with proper English grammar. What’s your point?

  • Rick Johnson

    They play the Cav’s in 5 more games on 4/3/16. Before that they play Detroit / Milwaukee / Phili / Phili. They should win those 4 games and then if JLin helps them beat the Cav’s they should have quite a record and media buzz by then especially if Lin plays well in that stretch of games. By that time Boston will have tough games against the Clippers, Trial Blazers and Warriors and Atlanta Will face tough games against Raptors and Cav’s so Hornets may pass those two up and be in 4th seed.

  • Lam

    Definitely. There is to much anger and blaming going on here lately. All negative sentiments should be directed at the rockets, not fellow posters or even lin’s current team.

  • yes, the irony is the Rockets clips have brought a lot of laughters lately 😀

  • I found a fun video posted by @disqus_sfRnVUUcg5:disqus of JLin playing soccer with his mom (with his amused dad watching) in a store during Asia trip last year. It’s very endearing to see their close relationship

    Mom is Too Slow

  • Another one at the Night Market posted by @disqus_sfRnVUUcg5:disqus

  • A Hornets fan made a very astute observation on how Kemba’s and JLin’s dribbling style are different to suit their individual strength. It’s very technical and long but worth reading

    JohnStockton wrote:
    TLDR: I talk a lot about dribbling and the technical side of it

    On the matter of technical skills…

    Jeremy has solid handles now, and he has the ball on a pretty tight string technically speaking. Admittedly, his handles were below average in the time he was still in Houston, a work-in-progress-but-almost-there in LA, but now they are pretty good. If you’ve watched Lin from year-to-year, the improvement he’s made in this offseason is by far the most impressive. He’s made great strides.

    People ragging on his handles and praising Kemba’s as the end-all-be-all are being a little short sighted in their observation. There’s more to it than just “handles,” afterall.

    1. Kemba’s “In the Box” Dribbling Style
    Going in on it, Kemba has a very traditional style of dribbling, being that he always dribbles “in the box,” and that’s a big reason why his handle is so tight. Just imagine that there’s an imaginary box that spans a player’s shoulder width, and the goal is that the ball never really gets loose to the side of the body (where you can lose control of the ball, or if a defender bumps you, the ball will squirt out of the reach of your fingertips). Inside this box is where Kemba keeps the ball, and by doing so, he always maintains a very safe dribble. Always tight.

    Now, when you dribble in the box like that, the center of your body has really great balance (further helping your handles), but in doing so, you’re also sacrificing the complete ability to load your back-leg at max power (since you’re shifting side to side so often while in the box). Because of the rock in the dribble, this means that you’re limiting the explosiveness of your first step in favor of balance and security.

    So if for this style of dribbling… if the first step is limited, but the handles are tighter, why did Kemba pick this dribble to hone? (Obviously the biggest part of it is because he was probably taught this way when he was a kid), but another practical reason why Kemba dribbles in the box (and is especially effective with it in his game) is because he’s naturally extremely shifty, and has very quick feet, so on top of the security of the handle when dribbling in the box, the style emphasizes his natural strengths of his lateral quickness and shiftiness–always keeping him in a position to use his physical gifts to his advantages–because the natural rock from this dribble always keeps him constantly shifting, and probing for an angle to attack, while (also) the dribble simultaneously naturally centers the gravity of his body–meaning that (additionally) if he ever pulls-up off of his dribble–his shot is always balanced.

    To the balance of Kemba’s dribble is actually the most beautiful thing about watching his game–because the balance on his pull-up is amazing. He shifts left, shifts right, shifts left–then the defender is at a bad angle–and he drives full-speed–goes inbetween the legs to gather (all in the box), and when he rises for the J he is completely balanced. There’s no lean. He goes straight up in the air. It’s straight beauty.

    2. JLin “Out of the Box” Dribbling Style

    As for Lin, his dribble is completely different. Jeremy’s lateral quickness is pretty good, but it’s not amazing or anything. Where his physical gift lies is in his first-step. That is completely-not-even-close his strongest physical asset. Nobody can guard him off the first step if there’s space. And being that “the box,” would limit his strongest physical gift, it doesn’t make sense to utilize it (or to compare his dribble to Kemba’s). They’re different dribbling styles.

    There’s not really a name for Jeremy’s style of dribbling, but essentially his handle is very loose. He’s “out of the box.” He pulls the ball out to the sides of the box, swinging it back slightly like a pendulum gathering force, and then he completely loads his back-leg (something you’re not really in a position to do in the box), and explodes. This style of dribbling is just naturally less secure than “being in the box,” because your body is less balanced while dribbling like this, but it’s not largely flawed in technical principle or anything like that. The dude who had the most insane version of this kind of free-styling dribble was Iverson–with the way he’d completely pull out to the side–but we all know that guy had handles for days. (And AI’s best asset was his first step also, which is a reason why he dribbled like that).

    Now obviously Jeremy ain’t AI, but he ain’t a scrub, and he’s an NBA player who has dropped bombs on great teams before with his dribble, so obviously he has his style for good reason and it works. It’s just a different dribble than Kemba’s, and though I agree that Kemba’s dribble “is better,” it’s not better because Kemba’s hands are just naturally tighter than Jeremy’s or something bland like that.

    The reason why Kemba’s handles are better than Jeremy’s is that his style of being in the box completely compliments his actual offensive game–his dribble sets up the shift for him to get by his guy, it gives him the balance for pull-ups, and it allows him the ability to still shift in order to finish at the rim. His dribble is always flowing into different spots on the court, so he’s always ready to launch.

    Meanwhile, for a long time Jeremy’s wide dribble mainly just set him up to drive to the rim at 100%, and that was why pressure could disrupt his dribble, because it was somewhat one dimensional and wasn’t tight enough to actually shift into the mode of being a good defensive dribble. His dribble also suffered him in that the lack of balance which it caused him, didn’t allow for him to have a midrange game/ability to hit a floater until very recently (hard to hit a floater straight on, when your body is moving right…). He’s tried to correct this manually, by initially exploding with his loose dribble moves, and then slowing down immediately a step-or-two after, and then gathering the ball for balance (and then shooting). This is the set-up he uses to get his midrange off currently, but he didn’t have this trick in his arsenal even 2 seasons ago. It’s a nice improvement, but it’s still kind of a flawed set-up, since if he manually adjusts his dribble like that, he’s no longer really “in flow,” and he’s actually sacrificing his ability to get to the rim in favor of the midrange (basically, this isn’t as advantageous as Kemba’s dribble which can give him buckets in all areas of the court, because Lin needs to decide where he’s attacking and pick the correct dribble to end up in the correct shot position).

    In games where he has a great feel and is in the zone, he can make the reads to “switch,” the pace of his dribble into the most advantageous position, but when he’s not in rhythm, sometimes he dribbles out of pace/reads the defense wrong (something Kemba doesn’t have to worry about). Still, Jeremy needs to keep his particular dribble because it emphasizes his first-step, so it’s not like you can just tell him, “dribble in the box like Kemba.” He dribbles like he dribbles–and there is room for a lot of improvement.

    Room for Improvement
    – What I’d personally like to see him do more is to shell up on the perimeter when he knows on-ball pressure is coming, and put his back between the defender and the ball, and just go Mark Jackson. Just back his defender down, and if needed, be on notice to use his dribble to explode diagonally at the defender, which would totally counter the pressure.
    – I’d also like to see him pick up his dribble around 16-17 feet, instead of at 12-10 feet which he normally does. Most of his actual problems with his handles don’t even have to do anything with his physica dribble, but rather that he puts himself in a bad position where he should’ve picked up his dribble a step earlier, because he’s trying to probe too far into the paint. By simply picking up his dribble at 16-17, it would open a lot more opportunities for him.

    But again, most of the improvements he could make at this point are mental/game adjustments like this. They don’t actually have anything to really do with his physical handles (though his biggest issue is balance on jumpers off of his dribble).

  • adele

    Thanks Heart. I just observed that the site became toxic with lots of petty arguments. I don’t want to involve in those confusion. I’d rather be silent and just read the viable and more sincere comments from you, reagan, cdblue, linmad, spot, melody, Dorothy, acbc, whom I know share the same view and care about Lin as a person and not just an NBA player. I would like to thank people like you who share the same sentiments.😉

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Took me a long while to read. It matters little to me as long as JLin is improving. He always works on different things to improve his games. That’s most wonderful to watch!

  • adele

    I feel that at this point, Hornets is now trying their best to lure Lin to sign long term with them as a back up that’s why Clifford has to say those words about Lin being great as a back up and invaluable to this team. Hope Lin will not be swayed by those sweet talks again come next season.

  • adele

    Careful of Clifford sweet talk. Very sneaky campaigning for next season. Hope Lin should get weary with these snake oil coming out early at this time.

  • adele

    Very true. But Hornets are now trying to sweet talk Lin to stay with them but as a bench player and back up. That’s why I have been consistent in saying that this team even if it’s hot right now is not good for Lins career. Clifford will not use him in a good way. Clifford will only use Lin to save his as…

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I know. JLin knows. As JLin said, he only concentrated on “now.” He wouldn’t think about FA. I know his trainer, Josh Fan is with him all the times. Dad is with him as well. Bro, sis-in-law, mom… watch his games. They know what’s happening and remember those around 15 games…… They have at least 2-3 months to ponder upon all these before making final decision.

    No worry that he isn’t going to opt out in soon after the playoffs is over for Hornets. My prayer is that more teams with excellent coach (MDA, Blatt….) who really like JLin as a starter pg.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    No worries, not many of us are falling into his sweet talks.

  • blubell

  • adele

    No, this organization is very sneaky, remember the start of this season? They are very nice to him too. Clifford has only good comments on Lin but the actions are different. I’m wary about all these sweet talks right now. There’s a bad shadow that goes with the sweet talking. This style is already sold.

  • adele

    I hope so. I’m quite concerned that some comments said that he is good as a back up. I don’t really want to argue with those people if that’s their opinion but I want to stay consistent with my opinion that Lin is a starter in this NBA league, he is a very smart point guard and he is an all star player.

  • adele

    Yes. Thanks Melody. I can feel you have a good heart like Lin 😍

  • John Focker

    Simple, Mel told me.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    These articles are extremely poorly written with horrible English grammar and they are simply re-writes of previous articles. Nothing new at all.

    Why not just post the original ESPN article about Lin possibly signing with the Knicks?…Many of us are English speaker and I get annoy reading these articles, thinking they are bringing new news. At least, make it readable.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks! Because of my “unique” background and have seen all the interviews/talks….. numerous times that I know pretty well of what to expect from JLin and his team despite of not having inside story. From what I gather, they aren’t the type that is easily fooled by any superficial stuffs. They are “old” pro in NBA. They know what to expect….. Seriously doubt that there is no better offer than what Hornets can offer.

    Many things can happen in off season. Many teams have no head coach as we speak now. I’m inclined to look at which other coaches will get fired/dismissed first and which coaches get hired and what players will stay in what teams…. before I speculate on which team JLin should join….. Too early for me to worry about next season. I’m just focused my limited time on now — One game at a time. This season is less than 3 weeks to go. Soon we will find out everything:-)

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes that’s why I was furious but it’s all good that Cliff has shown his true color. He is only doing a damaged control with the current interview.

    I always believe JLin is the starter and JLin has never ceased to regain the job he has lost because of politics. Believe he will give those teams the first look if they offer him a starter job. Cliff/Hornets can’t hide JLin in their pocket now. What he has accomplished in Spurs game as well as Nets is a public knowledge. Unless all NBA organizations and head coaches are blind and bias, something good is going to happen. God is with him….

  • KL

    Great article. This is consistent with what I have noticed though I was not able to make such detailed observations. To me the concept of “handles” is more than just dribbling. There is nothing wrong with Lin’s dribbling which is very impressive. He just has a different style from Kemba which may not look as tight but favours his strong drives to the rim. I also agree that where you pick up the ball and what you do with it after picking up is an important part of “handles” as well. Lin has great “handles” when it comes to his style of play. I would like to see more post up by Jlin though.

  • xeroid

    I would prefer 3rd place as it would delay facing Cleveland until Eastern final.

  • grover chang

    What would steph curry handles be described as? He shoots off the dribble and penetrates.

  • JeremyLinthebest

    Now this is what I call a fair critique. Insightful and useful to non-experts who somehow can intuitively tell the difference but not articulate so well.

  • spiderman

    Disagree that Lins handles were “below average” in Houston — among the myths non-astutely believed

  • grover chang

    I am more excited by those two games against philly. I think Lin is consciously auditioning for the 76ers.

  • karen sy

    you forgot the GQ cover

  • joyce ward
  • Brent Yen

    Just a career bench….isnt he? LOL jk

  • joyce ward
  • joyce ward

    Hey what’s up? How is the family? No I think they are trying to entice him to stay.LOL

  • joyce ward
  • Brent Yen

    everything is great….just too busy recently…..thanks! I do think they want him to stay, just does not want to pay the “supposed market value” O

  • joyce ward

    I think it will come down to whether they will give Batum a max salary, which I don’t think they will. I don’t know, lin keeps saying he likes the team as a whole. lin started a bible study with some of the team members. I also think that if lin decides to stay, that he will eventual start alongside Kemba, so that they will be a double threat. We probably will see some of that during these playoff games. Also lin’s snapchat gives up a look at the closeness that he has with his team members. I think he and Walker are very close as well as big Al, and Frank because those are the guys he hangs out with the most.

  • Brent Yen

    Given the same roster with everyone healthy next yr….I really do not see how Clifford will start Lin at 2, or even 1……you have basically BATUM, LEE, MKG ahead of him for minutes….

  • joyce ward

    True, but I don’t think, Batum will sign back with them, if he can’t be number 1 guy. i notice that the only people that are featured in Hornets PR press is Kemba, and lately Lin. Also i think MKG, is hanging on by a thread with this organization because of these back to back surgeries he has had in the last year. I wouldn’t doubt that after he comes off injury that they might be looking to trade him…just sayin. Also I think lin is very realistic in his view on his NBA career, and this year has been him reestablishing his value and he will do the right thing during FA, because of salary, but most importantly, the right fit for him.

  • Brent Yen

    About Batum…..I do not think he will get to be a 2nd option on any other playoff teams…..So…he may just stay for that reason along….we will see…

  • joyce ward

    I think Batum doesn’t care about any playoff option, because he would have stayed with Portland, who always are in the playoffs. I think Batum is about Batum. He is like Harden to me, only cares about his career. There are some teams out there that will give him the money, like the Lakers, and they don’t have any stars, because Kobe will be gone next season and also LA is a huge market.Also Lakers know that FA stars are not going to sign with them with the current guys on the roster now. That’s why I think Batum is the wildcard in this whole thing. The reason my think is that, lin reached out to the Nicks last FA and they turned him down. So people coming on here thinking they know what lin will do, is absurd…just sayin

  • Brent Yen

    We will see….I hope this time, it will be in Lin’s favour…

  • wu kong

    So this was removed for the use of I d i o t??? ” This is not about petting JLin this is about Cliff being an i d i o t and not praising the TEAM for the comeback win of the season. he should praise them for that every opportunity he gets.” I have a serious problem with the inability to describe Coach Clifford for his pitiful answer. Not everything is always positive and removing that post is going too far. What word am I too use to describe his failure to be an intelligent speaker? or am I just to ignore his ignorance? is calling him ignorant going to far too??

  • joyce ward

    Yep, hope so too:)

  • HVJoy

    Yes, it was the Rockets that concocted the public perception of Lin as a bench player, who “lost his starting position” to a certain “great defender” PG.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    mmmh? What is going on? Let me see whether there is any post in pending.

    Have checked. None from you.

  • PPP

    Lee may not re-sign as a back up to batum, depends on the market.

  • wu kong

    it shows up as removed. not pending

  • wu kong

    capture here:

  • Brent Yen

    But I really doubt there is anyone who removed your post

  • wu kong

    just questioning what is going on. hoping there is a reasonable answer.

  • wu kong

    this was in pending….

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I see. Interesting. No idea who did. I didn’t.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes I approved this when I checked it earlier.

  • wu kong

    could be the word i d i o t… but if that is the case … wow! tight restrictions.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I don’t know. I have no idea what has triggered this. Maybe @psalm234 can explain this.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Many lots of fans complained about Cliff’s comments on Lin so more PR for Lin now….LOL!

  • donsmacau

    Someone posted a sad picture of Kemba’s mom during the Spurs game and said they felt sorry for her.

    I feel sorry for JLIN’s mom.

    At least Kemba’s mom gets to watch her son – an inferior point guard in innumerable ways to JLIN – get to start in 80 gm plus be granted a mile long leash to do whatever he wants to do even if it hurts his team.

  • Sesshie

    Maybe “not so smart” or “opposite of brilliant” lol

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • CJSHYY

    For rating.

  • JeremyLinthebest

    LOL, even mods are not immune!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • donsmacau

    Hope I’m not jumping to conclusions but to me, obvious signal he wants world to know his ankle is still an issue and to maybe tamp down all the Linsanity expectations.

    Bad ankle leads to lower back spasms which all drive long-ball shot inconsistency.

  • Teal

    I seriously believe that the big bullies, i.e. LBJ, CP3, Melo are the ones directly or indirectly putting Lin to the situation where he is today. Morey is the company man who manufacture Harden to be the fake star but Morey couldnt do it without the consent from his boss and the league.

    Lin being the back up role player is perpetuated by the NBA and this is the main reason I don’t support the NBA, totally.

  • Teal

    not only clifford is an i d i o t, he is also a COWARD.

  • Teal

    a CONMAN too..

  • John Focker

    Don’t help propagate this crappy article and/or increase its click count…

  • grover chang

    I don’t mind him backing up steph curry. I mean the warriors can’t possibly keep everyone. Guys will want to get paid eventually.

  • Teal

    Lin shouldn’t back up anybody, not even Curry coz Curry is only a better shooter, not a better player than Lin. So no thanks.

  • HVJoy

    It may have been a Hornets PR move, but Cliffird’s praise of Lin’s good performance and work ethic would help Lin’s future in NBA. I like his compliment on Lin’s defense prowsess which was certainly overlooked in the past.

  • Acbc

    “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”

    I had not posted for a week because I’ve grown tired of fighting the same people over opinions about Clifford and Lin as a backup. I banned myself for becoming too emotional and negative. I needed a time out. It was just not fun anymore so I tried to walk away only to be drawn back in by the last 3 great games by Lin. Even then I resisted on posting. But then I really got upset by comments made against our mod from down under, that she was bias, intolerant and that she overstepped her executive privileges. It made me so angry that I had to say something in her defence.

    When we start accusing ourselves of intolerance for becoming too “group think” I have to correct the misdirection of that argument. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with sharing a common way of thinking! The greatest ideologies and philosophies are group think. Christianity is a kind of “group think”, depending on whose point of view you take. The Romans obviously thought the Christians were crazy like LOFs. The American Revolution is a group think that created a great piece of manifesto of how all men should be created as equals with the same rights and liberties.

    The difference between “group think”, prejudice and intolerance versus the shared common beliefs of many members here is that Clifford is a bad coach that wants to use him to step on to get ahead. I think we’ve been very tolerant. What is intolerant is like how the other home sites ban people right away. We’ve been arguing about it logically at Length. To think about the points that you must defend to make a case for what you believe in strengthens your own resolve. An idea worth it’s weight must be valid under scrutiny. We all could think differently, that is a right. What is wrong is when it’s obvious that a group over a period of time disagrees with you are constantly subjected to your constant opposing opinions. Once you agree to disagree, you should be respectful and move on instead of baiting for more attention.

    Our situation is a bit like the split in the Episcopal church over LGBT community as a welcome part of the church. They went into great lengths to discuss how they can stay together and find common grounds to stay united. They finally had to agree to disagree and is destined to splinter into different entities, a divorce of ideology, philosophy and beliefs. We’ve talked and talked about Clifford and Lin’s backup role since the beginning of the season and both sides have deep faith in their own way of seeing this subject.

    But even with free speech there are limits of censorship that a society must impose. The speech that fans hate is not tolerated by ” sincere ignorance” or “conscientious stupidity”. That’s why white supremacist holocaust deniers are shouted down. That is why even republicans can’t accept a populace mouth piece like Donald Trump. It’s like Trump saying he’d punch someone if they’d confront him. A few of his followers have done exactly that by punching protesters in the face. Trump of course would claimed “sincere ignorance” and shrugged his shoulders. We fear so much in our own inability to fall into the abyss of “sincere ignorance” that we must hold fast to ” free speech” like its a 11th commandment. It’s not!

    this site is a much needed haven for many Lin fans who feel anger towards the people that inflict harm on Lin. Lin sites are like a support group for us. When the fans that come on and continue to post comments contrary to the collective thought of the many on the site, they become a festering sore that won’t heal. A majority of posters feel Clifford is a bad coach and yet a few continue to defend him. We harbour a great deal of resentment to Mchale and how he created this false propaganda that Lin should accept his role as a bench player and turned a starter caliber player into a second string bench player. Many of us still dislike Mchale and Morey for that false narrative. Yet, we’ve been subjected to a full season of same old Mchale rhetoric that Lin should accept a Ginobilli 6th man role and that he lacks the handles to be a PG.

    We as a group has been more than accommodating and have arguing with these posters forever it seems. This all came to a head because Clifford finally admitted that he views Lin as a backup and never had any intentions of playing Lin alongside Kemba. A few of the fans who have become so annoyed by Clifford’s comments became even more enraged by Lin fans on this site who actually agree with Clifford and thinks that Lin should re-sign with the Hornets.

    We haven’t been intolerant. We’ve accepted these opposing viewpoints for a long time and it’s finally come to boiling point when it was so clear to all of us that Clifford is a fraud that took advantage of Lin’s trust in others to get ahead for himself. I’ve defended Clifford for the first 30 games along side them as well. I formed my own opinion by what I’ve seen and finally had to agree that Clifford was a terrible coach and had no intentions of playing Lin to his potentials. Why do these posters feel the need to continue to post comments that only a few others agree with on this site? It’s so obvious that they create a kind of negative transference of anger that gets redirected towards them. They become a focal point of that anger by agreeing with the coach who is so hated on the site. It’s almost a kind of self hating Sado-masocist. fetish to incite this backlash. It’s not ganging up on them, it’s many other posters expressing their opinions that they don’t like.

    I’ve given up arguing with these posters. But I won’t allow them to accuse us of intolerance and clearly we’ve tried to get along with them for a long time. They make us miserable with their constant negative narrative of Lin’s abilities and frankly, I’m just too tiring to push back. It’s not worth it personally but it incenses me to think that Melanie could be accused of being intolerant. I am forced to post this to defend our mod from down under.

  • heart

    The media is now repeating what Cliff had said the other night… Immediately after we heard Cliff chose to say those words (in post game after a historical franchise win over Spurs) in regards to Lin: ‘NBA career’, ‘coming off the bench’, ‘role player’, etc., most of us had similar impression or reception that was purposefully to further pigeonholing Lin’s image as a ‘backup’ ‘role player’ to the media and fans at large. For those don’t want to click on ESPN article, here’s the excerpt:

  • donsmacau

    Quite a thoughtful and elegant post which I’m sure captures much of the sentiment of many others.

    Agree that claims they’re just trying to be “fair” and not contrarian for its own sake is generally a false & specious argument — the truth is it’s some sort of narcissistic, sad@-mas@chistic penchant which drives some of them.

    I fully understand and support this site’s stand to diligently moderate to minimize those posters as is their right as the owners of this site.

    For me though I often enjoy the free wheeling SPEECH on the other site – relish debating them with repeated evidence and persistent intellectual jousting. I don’t have problems debating the likes of SWS94 because invariably, he will run out of reason & rationale to descend to name calling and irrelevant obfuscation.

    Over here it’s great to just exchange views with like minded JLIN superfans.

  • heart

    “They make us miserable with their constant negative narrative of Lin’s abilities and frankly, I’m just too tiring to push back. It’s not worth it personally but it incenses me to think that Melanie could be accused of being intolerant. I am forced to post this to defend our mod from down under”. Couldn’t say it any better! Thanks….

  • MEL LIN

    hey guys going to detroit game tonight = )

  • Phillycheese

    We have had a mini stretch of three good to great games from JLin offensively (defensively he has been consistently good all year). Everyone on here should be happy and content. Posters are going to have differing viewpoints, and as long as we are all respectful that is all that can be expected. Live and let live.

  • kauaiblue

    Utter garbage…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The only reason lin got to close game recently because he played so well make it impossible for Cliff to remove him.

  • Yascar

    Thanks Psalm for the vote of confidence. I have said my piece and will not comment further on this train of thought even though I wrote it in all earnestness and a true intent to help.

    If we never say it enough or act ungrateful to you and your mods, my apologies. You have done the Lin fans a great service by creating this site. Thank you.

  • Phillycheese

    Ankle problems (and lower leg issues for that matter) can cause all sorts of foundation issues. Minus ankles issues, Curry went from a very good player to MVP.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lucky you. Should be a good game, Detrout h as been hot recently.

  • heart

    Yep. And he had to win or wanted to win after the Nuggets loss. I couldn’t believe when I heard that he wanted to sub out Lin for Lee (I think). SMH!!! It was an intense close game so he had to leave Lin in. If he did remove Lin from the floor, Hornets would have lost the Spurs game…

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Won’t be able to watch the game. Please write a long report. Thanks in advance!:-)

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks for your support! Really appreciate it!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    JLin really enjoys his snapshot. Thanks JLin!
    https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/713400455531900928

  • I checked the word is indeed in the restricted words list so Disqus would automatically remove posts.
    I think it’s designed to prevent users to call each other names along with the rest of those restricted words.
    The link is in the Disqus Admin navigation page.

    Brent is right. I doubt there is anyone who removed your post 🙂

  • Phillycheese

    Actually Batum and MKG play the same position. I think playing Nic at SG does not work as well as Nic at SF. If they were to sign Nic, I think the team would be better off with MKG coming off the bench with Nic and Lee starting at the wing spots. As long as Kemba is there, there is no room for Lin to start on this team. That is the reality. It makes no sense to start Lin at SG where he is playing out of position as well. If this team was to start from scratch without considering the politics, then I see the starting line-up to be Lin, Lee, Nic, Marvin and Cody. Second team would be Kemba, MKG, Frank and Al. That is a solid nine man rotation with redundancies at every spot in case of injuries.

  • Phillycheese

    Then it is up to Lin to play so well the coach cannot take him out.

  • heart

    In the Nuggets game, Lin played well and Cliff still took him out and Hornets lost the game.

  • Phillycheese

    Andre Drummond will not have a third stinker against Charlotte. I could see Al getting more time against Drummond since I expect Cody to be in foul trouble this game. Stan is a very good coach and will make adjustments. Cliff, I hope you can also make some adjustments as well. Tobias Harris is going to be their wildcard. Lin will be Hornets wildcard.

  • HVJoy

    If you have watched most Hornets games this season, I am sure you are aware that Lin’s performance does not guarantee his play time or closing games. So it is not “up to Lin” as you said.

  • Hope you enjoy the game with some Linsanity performance!
    And don’t forget a minimum of 1000-words game report as @brentyen:disqus always said 😀

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Phillycheese

    Lin can only take care of the playing. The coach takes care of the time on court. They lost that game, so maybe Cliff gets the idea that “no Lin, no win”.

  • JoeTeam

    Well good for you acbc, and don’t let the spoilers spoil you daily fun here with the good guys/gals.

    Your post is well thought out as usual. I like it!

    Only thing I want to add is this is not a commiseration site, but more to celebrate JLin. Healing is part of it, but some people want to make this a place to grind out the low level of their own lives. We need to keep uplifting them or let them go. So, aim high, fall medium and we will be a great place.

  • JoeTeam

    Hi Mel, I had no idea you were attacked – I missed all that. You’re a good person!

  • Phillycheese

    Lin can only max his play. He cannot control the coach giving him time, but he can sure as heck make the decision difficult. When you’re shooting 1 of 6, then the decision is pretty simple for a coach that is just coaching you for the first year and has no history.

  • donsmacau

    JLIN had an opportunity to rehab the ankle correctly after the game where he was writhing on the floor in agony.

    At that time a conscientious and responsible coach would have said to his player – you need to REST – Clifford is not that type of Coach with JLIN.

    Second – JLIN believes he is superman (maybe that is a good thing) but in this case he set the rest of his season up with ankle/shooting issues for not resting properly.

  • JoeTeam

    Hi wu kong – to keep it positive, the interview of Cliff on that radio post was really good. Cliff was asked and he fluidly praised JLin. It ain’t a bed of roses, but it’s a good enough Comfort Inn. I like those places, safe and affordable, gets me from A to B.

    Happy day!

  • heart

    Of course, Lin always ‘take care of the playing’ when he’s on court. Again, Lin’s PT is not dependent on how well he plays but how well others play and if Cliff allows him to play and involve him in the offense…. We’ve been through this rodeo before….

  • donsmacau

    When I was a teen on by meal breaks on my part-time job I would eat 10 Burger King hamburgers

  • Phillycheese

    So what do you suggest then? Since Lin has no control, as you’ve repeated many times, maybe we should not even talk about it then? Oh, yeah, continue to blame the coach. I like to think Lin does have some control over his playing time. Having no control is the worst thing in any job.

  • JoeTeam

    Happy Good Friday everyone. I just want to say life is a series of deaths and rebirths, and on my side, I have to let go all the time to grow. I love what JLin does – he lets go of heavy weights so he can uplift.

    In 3 days, we shall be reborn. How lucky I will be thinking about what I need to shed. Unfortunately, it won’t be 20 lbs lol.

    You all go out and have a great day!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks!

  • Phillycheese

    Isn’t that the typical American diet? Let me guess, you washed it down with an extra large diet coke.

  • donsmacau

    water

  • The Hornets has to start MKG after they invested $13M/yr for 4 years, which is even slightly bigger than Kemba $12M/yr.
    I see they still envision Kemba/Batum/MKG as PG/SG/SF next season with Lee coming off the bench at SG/SF

    They would love to have JLin back as a backup but they know it’s hard to afford him now.
    The Spurs win have had more NBA impact bigger than the Cavs win due to the nature of the historic win against the Spurs (15pts in 4th quarter vs 16 by Spurs and 1st loss in Tim Duncan era since 1997 with 23pt lead blown). I think the NBA took notice that JLin can take over like that to win games.

    He will have multiple starting PG offers if he keeps up the high-level performance

  • Phillycheese

    Lin is a tough man. He is playing for a contract and has a team that is relying on him. I celebrate him for playing through whatever niggling injury that comes his way. A a fan, I will always want a player to be on the court. If he is not then it must be very serious.

  • HVJoy

    I agree with you that all Lin has within his power is his level of performance. I am glad you agree with me that his PT and/or closing game is not within his power.

    Would you please refrain from saying Lin’s PT is “up to Lin” when you know it is an erroneous statement.

    Like Acbc said, this fan site could be a “support group” for Lin fans who support him through all hardship. Repeating erroneous statements, whether intentionally or not, not only antagonizes yourself to other fans, but also deprives others joy in visiting this site, .

  • donsmacau

    He has already done enough to interest the teams that provide the most potential for JLIN imo.
    He needs not do any more – but more is always better.

  • KWC

    Drinking water while eating burgers completely kills the experience.

  • heart

    Not blaming, stating what I see is happening. I didn’t make this up. Most can see through this…In some games, Cliff let Lin play like Spurs and they won… So I just hope that he would not cater or falter to politics, but the reality we’re facing gives us doubt that he won’t change. Again, we’re having a civil discussion and all of a sudden you’re pointing the finger at me about blaming the coach??? Sorry, this is my last post to you!

  • Phillycheese

    Nah, they can just as easily package Kemba and MKG for something nice – like Cousins. But there is no way Cho is making that trade since that would be admitting failure at the draft and the development of players. My dream scenario – sign Lin and Batum and sell Kemba when his value is at the highest.

  • donsmacau

    I have been a meat eater – high fat/low carb my entire life – was Atkins before I even knew of Atkins/Paleo/blah blah.

    My waist size has not changed in 20 years and weight does not fluctuate more than 5 lbs ever.

  • Phillycheese

    You older than 45?

  • donsmacau

    Just older, correct

  • blubell
  • Phillycheese

    Please do not inaccurately quote me. I wrote “up to Lin to play so well …” does not mean “PT is up to Lin”. I have already calrified myself and you still choose to read it the way you think I wrote it.

  • blubell
  • Phillycheese

    I have been very civil to you and the others that share your position.

  • donsmacau

    Consider between two scenarios:
    a) take 3 weeks off completely like Hawes/Batum/Lamb to fully heal and have minimal Shooting issues with muscle memory synchronization

    or
    b) keep playing on a weak, un-healthy ankle and have all the shooting problems he had for 3 months

    Which would you choose?

  • Phillycheese

    Watch out.

  • blubell
  • donsmacau

    Generally speaking we of Asian descent do very well on meat-based diets. You will notice that Chinese, Japanese-East Asians when they transplant to the West (America) and embrace the American diet of SUGAR and Carby cakes/breads immediately assume the obese health profile of the unhealthy heart-diseased/cancerous/diabetic West.

    Asians in particular are NOT suited for the SUGARY/CARBY diet.

  • IMO It would take a prolonged Linsanity run in the last 11 games + playoff if the Hornets is going to sell high on Kemba.

    Cho and Clifford are adamant with Lin’s role to come off the bench so I don’t expect anything changes in the offseason (with the exception of JLin becoming the Hornets hero in the playoff)

    It will be interesting to see how things can develop. But I know Hornets and JLin fans would want the same Linsanity in the playoff 🙂 Everything will take care of itself afterwards

  • blubell
  • HVJoy

    Shall we have your complete sentence:
    “Then it is up to Lin to play so well the coach cannot take him out.”

    Any reasonable person who comprehends English would read your statement to say Lin has control over his play time by playing well, no matter how you “clarified” yourself.

    In any event, I will not give you the power to deprive me the joy of visiting this site. Wish all a great Good Friday.

  • yesss, more Linsanity is always better … (except those with heart problems who need to be more careful) 😀

  • heart

    Happy Good Friday / Resurrection Day to you too! Like what Lin’s tweet said…

  • Phillycheese

    As a fan, I choose for Lin to play if he does not risk long term health. It would suck not having Lin around for 3 weeks. At the risk of stating the obvious, only Lin can make that call. None of us care close enuff to say one way or the other.

  • HVJoy

    Great idea – save our energy for better things on this Good Friday. I will follow your example.

  • Bulldog

    This is a relatively easy game. Clifford will keep Lin on the bench and let the stars enjoy the glory. Lin would be lucky if he gets 20 minutes this game.

  • Phillycheese

    Didn’t assume you were Asian. Macanese can also be Portuguese as well.

  • donsmacau

    I take a longer perspective on JLIN’s career as it relates to his health.

    Clifford could care less about JLIN’s career.

    Notice, Dell Curry who went through an entire year+ with sprains/surgeries to Steph’s ankle said JLIN will have problems season long.

  • Happy Good Friday to you and others who commemorate it!
    It’s a good reflection for receiving the undeserved grace as JLin tweeted and count our blessings

  • heart

    Happy Good Friday / Resurrection Day to you HVJoy! God bless you. The Light of Truth always shines through!

  • donsmacau

    Yes there are mixed bloods but something like 5% of pop have some Port.

  • Phillycheese

    You want topaly the grammar and spelling card? Yes, I typed that in error on purpose. I wrote “…the coach cannot take him out.” It is still the coach that has that power, not Lin.

  • HVJoy

    Thank you, Heart. Happy Good Friday to you. May God bless you too.

  • blubell
  • blubell
  • Thank you for your kind words, @Yascar:disqus
    It’s a great encouragement to keep doing the right thing to bring blessings although at times we question ourselves 😀

    If you have more feedback, please don’t hesitate to email me

  • Phillycheese

    Dell has been the most fair of all announcers towards Lin. I like him and Stephanie, who used to be a high level coach of mens bball. Stephanie had some really insightful stuff when analysing Lin’s game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Dumb thing to say, if that the case most player wouldn’t be on the floor more than 3 min at a time.

  • Phillycheese

    I’m not the only one that thinks Cliff regretted his Lin is a bench player comment. He had to go on Jim Rome’s show and go way more positive.

  • We can’t go wrong supporting Moms.
    Moms would always want the best for their kids

    It must be hard for moms to watch their sons struggle.
    Kemba has more secure place indeed with Charlotte as home while JLin is looking for home. But I also wish the best for Kemba (even with pro/cons of his skills) since he’s been the most supportive of JLin in the team compared to Harden/Kobe/Melo

  • In-N-Out of the box dribbling? 😀

  • Phillycheese

    Care to explain your 3 minute rule. I said the same thing you said. So are you saying your comment was dumb as well?

  • blueCypher

    I can’t get the video to show

  • I think JLin is savvy enough to know if he’s only allocated a reserve role in the Hornets.

    I would cheer and pray for JLin to do his thing in the playoff; I believe when multiple starting offers can come, JLin would be able to make the best decision in July 🙂

  • Arsenium12 .

    I would suggest that it might be time to broaden the conditions under which people can be banned from this site. I would look at two cases (groups of people) :

    – those whose views run counter to the mainstream and are essentially provocative (e.g. Jeremy Lin as backup), and

    – those who feel so strongly on an issue (e.g. Steve Clifford) that they post frequently on it, with a decidedly negative, unsparing tone.

    I am looking for ways to make this site more positive and enjoyable to visit. I am also looking to reduce the time required to administer (mderate) the site on a day-to-day basis.

  • donsmacau

    Possibly some of the backlash is just to protect the Charlotte organization from criticism and humiliation when JLIN proves them WRONG next season as STARTING POINT GUARD for his own NBA team.

  • Phillycheese

    It’s Good Friday. I promise to be “good”. Bless everyone here that agrees with me …

    … oh alright, bless the others that don’t agree too.

  • Win

    I have a feeling that today game is the moment of true on how will Clifford treats Lin going forward. Either over or under 20 mins.

  • new DET game thread
    http://www.jlinportal.com/g72-cha-det-game-thread/

    With 11 games left, Jeremy Lin has made a strong push with an inspiring Linsanity performance in the past 3 games of averaging 22pts with a scorching hot 63% FG and 88% 3FG that generated a lot of Linsanity buzz in the media.
    – In 2 wins vs the Pistons, JLin has played well with 10.5 with 47% FG and 43% 3FG averaging 24.13 minutes/game and a plus minus of +16.9
    – The Pistons had 4 game winning streak at home vs Kings/Nets/Bucks/Magic so they have good momentum despite the lesser opponents
    – JLin has continued to ride the “Less Thought” Linsanity and to develop more chemistry with Kemba and Batum which will be crucial for the playoff run.

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s hope and pray JLin would continue to play well and enjoy playing his style of basketball on the court.
    http://i0.wp.com/www.jlinportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Lin_LINE_LetsGo.jpg?resize=131%2C126

  • DrewBear2

    Definitely. Besides, Cliff was obviously wrong. Lin started for Houston for a full season and started for the Lakers at the beginning of last season. That said, this season on this particular team Lin’s role is to play backup PG. Despite his current slump, Kemba has been having a breakout season. But he can’t play 48 minutes every game, so the backup PG position is critical and Jeremy’s contribution this season has been, in Clifford’s words, “invaluable”.

  • adele

    I second to that. Thanks for speaking out for us.

  • adele

    Thank you Heart

  • adele

    Just don’t bother to comment on him. Wish him well.

  • Sesshie

    The fact is this is a JLin fan site. Is it unreasonable to assume that all the people who comment or enjoy this site at least like JLin and want to see him try to reach his goals and dreams? Starter, all-star, championship. Those are good goals to try to reach. Of course achieving them is going to be hard, but I myself as a JLin fan would like to see him try to get there. I want to watch him continue his journey and set the aim higher and not be satisfied with his current role.
    As for people who think JLin should remain as a backup and be satisfied, I don’t see the point of arguing with them. Unpopular viewpoints who no one responds to will find another place to voice them. If forum rules are broken, I trust the mods to deal with them. I would like to thank the mods for maintaining this site enjoyable for JLin fans.

  • adele

    Thanks for the post. I banned myself for 3 days because I’ve read some very toxic comments and It’s very depressing to come here. Arguments here and there. Why can’t we just move on and slide over instead of constant bickering? Very unhealthy. Acbc, you’re one of the posters that I always look forward to check and read.

  • adele

    Thank you heart. You’re the best 😘

  • DrewBear2

    There’s clearly some backstory to this post that I’m not familiar with, but to say Clifford is a terrible coach and a fraud is beyond extreme. There’s no doubt Jeremy has ability & talent enough to start for many NBA teams, but good teams need more than 5 good players. I’m pretty certain that Lin is much happier as 6th man on this team than as the starting PG on the Lakers/Rockets/Knicks/name-your-team.

    Despite Jeremy’s struggles during his shooting form transition, this has been a good year for him. I’m thoroughly enjoying watching him play and am excited to see how the remainder of this season and the playoffs unfolds.

  • kauaiblue

    Based on his defense alone, he should be a starter.

  • kauaiblue

    I really lost all the little respect i had remaining for clifford and i think he is as dumb and possibly as malicious as mchale… jordan is also not seeing the big picture here… he could be a human legend on top of being just a basketball legend if he just gave JLIn a chance…this is beyond just basketball… this is history…

  • bolero

    he’s playing politics. He doesn’t know how to balance it. He can still praise his star without putting down Lin but he screw it up big time. He probably didn’t realize how popular Lin is…

  • Acbc

    JT, it’s just time to stop and do other things. My wife is about to retire and we’re planning to buy another house nearer to family. Just bought a newer bigger RV and plan to travel more with it. Play more golf and tennis and stop banging my head against the wall. Too bad, it was fun for awhile. I’ll see you around if Linsnaity reunites us again on the flip side next year. Write to me if you want to chat bro.

  • JoeTeam

    wow, that’s kcal overload!

  • JoeTeam

    stomach cancer happens to Asians in the west.

  • JoeTeam

    come back and post up high!

  • kauaiblue

    wow, talk about clueless… clifford has gone beyond mchale level of incompetence!

  • JoeTeam

    dang, then I shall miss you stick around sometimes. we’ll keep in touch for sure!

  • Sesshie

    I’m also enjoying the highlights of JLin’s good games, but why compare his current role to the worst teams for starting? Lakers were allergic to winning, Rockets wanted to grow their own star, and Knicks has a selfish star.

  • LAJane

    Life is messy. Our mods have done a fabulous job keeping us safe from trolls. It’s a much harder job to also keep it sanitized and puritan. I have the energy to be a fan, but not enough to scroll through the clean-sweep efforts. Ignoring the outliers is so much easier than wanting to wrestle them into perfect alignment. I think I’ll join you JT…just love and support Lin quietly on my own. Like you suggest…we’ll see what happens next year. (Though I’ll still be looking for some Lnsanity in the playoffs.)

  • donsmacau

    Never could understand why so many – for so long were willing to look beyond Clifford’s incompetence and as you said maliciousness

    Since the beginning of the season he has been showing both Incompentence/Malice repeatedly to both JLIN and to the game. And the list of examples started at 10 and rose to 15 clear examples and more:

    On Clifford’s competence as a Coach – My final retort to anyone is watch what happens to this Hornets team when Marvin and JLIN both leave next season essentially decimating both the STARTERs and BENCH – you will truly see how helpless Clifford is.

  • LinMad

    Hornets PR has to cover up what Clifford said. It’s just wrong to make them work extra hours Cliff =)

  • LinMad

    those fans are oblivious to it. There has been signs since early season that Clifford has been malicious to Lin. All the yelling for a turn over while Batum gets 9-11 TOs one game and not a word to be said.

    Clifford needs to work on his player relationship cause right now it’s just kiss the butt who makes the most money. He doesn’t take other factors in like who plays well, who has the most fans, who benefits the franchise’s brand, etc.

  • donsmacau

    Clifford Incompetence/Maliciousness:
    1. holds grudges against players exhibit A-JLamb,
    2. punishes non-superstars for minor every day mistakes – dock PT
    3. denigrate the achievements of “bench role-players”
    4. mile-long leash for iso-heros even if they singlely LOSE gm
    5. allow opponents to exploit Hornets mismatches
    6. free reign for Kemba’s utter lack of defense
    7. inability to draw up plays/especially inbounds plays
    8. wrong lineups most of the season
    9. inability to make in-game adjustments on-the-fly
    10. cannot teach players to defend against good P&R teams
    11. inability to motivate comebacks from large deficits; only beg
    12. outcoached by 90% of all playoff coaches or smart coaches
    13. allowed PJ to play defense for “special Batum” so he won’t tire
    14. won’t allow hot-hand to close IF hot hand is bench role-player
    15. sticking with low BB IQ point guard when situations require high BBIQ

  • GoJLin!

    Have to participate the Good Friday service, won’t be able to watch the game. Please take a lot of JLIN pictures and enjoy yourself! Have a wonderful evening!

  • adele

    I don’t have respect for this politician coach who is more deadly than mchale and bscott.

  • adele

    Actually, they are now trying to start their campaign this early because Lin needs top opt out his second year with them. A little pr with a little punch about the bench role would hit home to other journalists. Just like when the Knicks said that they will match any offer so other teams are hesitant to offer him a contract because the Knicks already made some announcement about matching. Same propaganda that the hornets is making, Clifford has to say he is a bench player all his NBA life so that he can justify his actions and for the FO to save money on Lin just in case Lin will be swayed again by their sweet talks. Fooled me once shame on me. Fooled me twice, shame on you hornets!

  • adele

    They’re very much the same with the rockets. They have the fake star harden and they have supposedly superman Dwight Howard but they barely make the playoffs now.

  • adele

    To me, more deadly and viscous than Michael. What with all the sweet talks and the actions are different? Very misleading and sneaky. Taking advantage of Lins good natured personality? That’s abusive!

  • GoJLin!

    Too bad, no media question Clifford’s math/calculating skill; Clifford only want JLIN coming off the bench in CHA, we don’t like but that is a fact; but said that is Lin’s role most of his NBA career; it is untruth statement; according to the data; before CHA, JLIN play 291 games at NBA, 170 is Starter, 121 is reserve role; even including the CHA’s games; total number, up to today, he still play more games as a starter then come off the 2nd unit. Therefore so far STARTER is Lin’s role of his NBA career. I agreed, Clifford’s was purposefully to further pigeonholing Lin’s image as a ‘backup’ ‘role player’ to the media. I don’t mind he praise KW & NB to please FO, but even as an average couch, you not suppose to badmouth your own player. Go JLIN! Go! Stay Healthy and Enjoy your game!

  • heart

    True… Using the media for propaganda to repeat ‘bench player’ narrative to keep his value low and to fend off potential bidders.

  • Joe what do you know

    Media loves spreading rumours. Don’t fall for them…

  • BobbyH

    Remember the good coin/bad coin theory? I am glad you speaks up. This site needs wise and eloquent posters like you.

    Lin’s 3 games break-out echos what all faithful posters here wanted and waited patiently and impatiently to see.

    At least, the head of the snake sneaks out and we see the true color of it. And at least, we are beginning to see the light at the end of a tunnel.

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