Jeremy Lin Declines Player Option, Becomes Unrestricted Free Agent

On June 7 2016, league sources reported Jeremy Lin will decline $2.2M player option to explore unrestricted free-agency. It was announced via a tweet by Cavaliers beat reporter-NBA Insider for Cleveland.com

He further confirmed that Lin has outperformed his contract and is in store for a sizable raise this summer with many suitors.

The timing was interesting because Eric Pincus previously reported that the first date Lin can opt out is on June 22, 2016. Is it possible that Lin’s agent gave early notice to the league of Lin’s intent to opt out more than 3 weeks before the Free Agency starts on July 1, 2016? This way teams who are interested in recruiting Jeremy Lin can make proper preparation with ample time.

This is not a surprise since it was an easy financial decision given his relatively cheap player option and the exploding salaries on the free-agent market, particularly in a shallow class of available point guards.

It remains unknown if Hornets offering backup PG role would be one of the places that will give Jeremy Lin the greatest chance to be the best player he can be as he stated on May 5. But the timing is perfect to signal many NBA teams that Lin’s camp is ready to evaluate which teams will give him a major role in the next few years to accomplish his goal.

On May 5 2016, he posted a Facebook message that stated his goals in the Free Agency:

This past year was a step in the right direction, but I know there’s another level I can get to. So as I approach the off-season, I will keep working on my game. Next year my jumper will be way better. I will come back a much better player. I want to keep having fun on the court (like I did this past year). For free agency, I will seek out every opportunity that gives me the greatest chance to be the best player I can be. I believe I’m just getting started. I have more to give and more to accomplish.

Considering the May 5 and June 7 that Jeremy Lin announced his FA goal and opt-out intent, would it be July 4 (US Independence Day) that Lin will announce his own independence to choose which team has won his heart to give him the best chance to be Greatest Player he can be in his NBA career?

Links: Jeremy Lin Declines Players Option, Becomes Unrestricted Free Agent [FoxSports] 

 

  • DX

    Yes!

  • wandertheglobe

    Foregone conclusion becomes official!

  • Brent Yen

    No!

  • alain gervais

    …?

  • psalm234

    Reddit page discussing Lin’s decision to opt out
    It’s surprising that many Lin fans are still unaware of his FA goal on May 5 to get the next level and be the greatest player he can be in his next team. Logically, he can’t do in a backup PG role thus showing his preference to lead his own team as a starter with the ball in his hands

    https://twitter.com/thesuitedmonk88/status/740219310187089920

  • wandertheglobe

    That’s what MJ said after hearing the news.

  • takeme2cruz

    lol

  • xeroid

    Yes! Now let the bidding begin.

  • wandertheglobe

    Lots of casual fans who don’t follow Lin believe that Lin is coming back to Charlotte to be Kemba’s backup because he loves it there. LOL.

  • psalm234

    Check out Alex Kennedy’s conversation with players soon-to-be FAs on their expected salary
    #Julywillbenuts
    https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/740220969420214272

  • psalm234

    I guess so 🙂
    I would’ve thought they read about his stated FA goal on May 5 but it might not be as widely reported

  • wandertheglobe

    Nate Ducan’s podcast. At about 36 minute mark, they talk extensively about Lin and think that it will take $12M for Charlotte to retain Lin, if Lin is willing to stay.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/duncdon/2016/06/05/finals-game-2-cha-offseason-cap-preview

  • HVJoy

    SO happy that Lin officially(?) opted out of the Hornets contract. I don’t believe any informed fans would believe he would settle for the low salary and bench role in Charlotte. He deserves much more in view of his excellent performance this season.

    Thank you for another great write-up and sharing this good news promptly, Psalm234. What a great appetizer this is! Now if I doze off later over a full stomach, it’s your fault. 🙂

  • Maknusia

    Good to see Maxwell from NY dishing the report that Lin’s defense is too gaping!

    There are holes to poke in that theory.

    Lin held opponents to 41.7 percent shooting from the field during the 2015-16 regular season. He had some trouble on close-outs on 3-point shooters, but he did a very solid job of keeping his man in front of him on the drive.

    The Knicks, of course, had no bigger issue than defending slashing point guards.

    Thus, while there’s far more to consider with Lin than what happens on the court, the notion that he’s a poor defender is simply untrue. He’s not exactly an All-Defensive Team candidate, but Lin has become a strong team defender and an above-average player in isolation.

    Coupled with his proficiency in running the pick-and-roll, it stands to reason that Lin would be an excellent on-court fit with the Knicks.

    https://dailyknicks.com/2016/06/06/knicks-rumors-jeremy-lin-at-heart-of-conflicting-reports/

  • lleepar

    This is a little bizarre. A beat reporter for the Cleveland Cavaliers (?!) tweets that he has (ahem) “a league source” who tells him that Jeremy Lin WILL decline (not HAS declined) his player option — and sports news sources are all reporting it as a done deal. It’s a safe bet that he will, but JLin’s team has to be scratching it’s collective heads right now at the reporting frenzy.

  • donsmacau

    I agree with those speculating that perhaps JLIN’s team purposefully released the leak to remove doubt amongst potential suitors about JLIN’s availability,

    Recall that Cho said he has 75 plans for every scenario, all other GMs in the NBA do as well, now the can definitively plan for JLIN’s availability as an unrestricted free agent to design their priority list around getting JLIN on their team.

    A Cleveland beat reporter but this guy is respected enough that major new sources are deeming his news – credible and going with the scoop.

  • Maknusia

    A free agent after a very strong campaign in his first year with the Charlotte Hornets, Lin is looking for a place where his “journeyman” label can be put to rest. Lin’s looking for three things: 1) playing time. 2) title chance. 3) chemistry and culture.

    A strong guard who can penetrate and score, last season Lin also erased two erroneous knocks on his game: that he was turnover prone and couldn’t play great defense. Charlotte’s strong season and playoff run saw those two errors exorcised. Lin’s particular skill set is much in demand just now as the NBA tries to recreate the magic of Golden State with its penetration, pick and kick, and high-assist-rate offense.

    http://2paragraphs.com/2016/06/jeremy-lin-5-best-options-for-lins-best-future/

  • Maknusia

    Initial prediction from them….

    Here are the top 5 spots where Lin could have a major impact:

    Charlotte Hornets — a good fit that should only get better, with a coach who appreciates him
    Houston Rockets — he’s been here, was respected, and they need to upgrade after dismal falloff (plus D’Antoni)
    New York Knicks — it’s hard to say they’ll contend soon, but new coach Hornacek a good fit
    Chicago Bulls — plenty of guards and maybe not enough minutes, but close to contending
    Philadelphia 76ers — also far from contention, but in a weak East could rise fast. Minutes aplenty

  • HVJoy

    There is no waves without wind; there is no smoke without fire.

    Who knows — it could be a “casual” leak by someone “close to Lin”?! In any event, we know Lin will opt out of his Hornets contract sooner or later.

  • donsmacau

    From the moment the NYPost writer released his article – it became clear it was meant for casual public fan consumption as a way to a) explain why JLIN would not return to NYK; b) and signal that Dolan & Knicks do NOT want JLIN back.

    Any GM or front office who are genuinely interested in JLIN and have watched tape of JLIN know this defense meme is false.

  • Gin-san

    Houston Rockets — I think you mean ‘was disrespected’?

  • Maknusia

    lol…I thought the same thing…probably it was a typo from the writer

  • HVJoy

    I am surprised they left out Nets considering Lin’s connection with coach Atkinson.

  • sws94

    Lin is looking for three things according to who? Is this an opinion piece or someone with knowledge of what *Lin* has expressed he’s looking for.

  • Gin-san

    Sorry, I thought you wrote this, I didn’t read carefully enough. It’s even worse though, that someone actually posted an article stating the opposite of the obvious. How can anyone think that JLin was respected when Houston had a recruitment advertisement up with Melo wearing number 17, which I think was JLin’s number when he was on the Rockets, before Lin even got traded away.

  • lleepar

    Haynes first tweet (Lin will opt out) isn’t exactly startling news. Everyone expects it. What interest me more is Haynes’ second tweet where he declares that the “Hornets aim to retain his [Lin’s] services”. Now that is news to me, and I wonder if Haynes’ “league source” from the first tweet also told him that — with some basis for believing it.
    https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/740188480932839424

  • donsmacau

    On the contrary, everyone associated with the Hornets blogosphere and Cho himself have stated they want to “retain” JLIN. That is over – we know it and it is dead as an option in my view from the end of Game 7.

    What I’m more interested in is where does he get “suitors will be aplenty”. Is he just speculating with those words or does he actually know something to base those words on?

  • HVJoy

    This is news indeed. Isn’t it the first report saying Hornets wants to keep Lin?

  • webattorney

    I think he meant “Hornets aim to retain his services – at low salary”, which I am sure is true. Lol Now, it would have been a real news had he wrote “Hornets aim to match any offers received by Lin.”

  • lleepar

    I’ve watched videos most of Cho’s comments and I get the “geez, we’d like to retain all of our free agents, but that’s going to be tough” vibe from him. Nowhere have I seen a him declare that keeping Lin is a priority for them. Haynes choice of wording “aim to retain” is just the most strongly worded intention I have seen so far.

  • BobbyH

    Maybe the context is that “aim to retain all Hornets FA as many as possible”

  • alain gervais

    Big question. Should Lin go to the Mavs just to spite the Rox? Mark cuban may pay him a ton just to annoy Rox??

  • donsmacau

    JLIN is not into playing sophomoric games with his life and career.

    JLIN goes to the team who he fits and who gives him the best opportunity to succeed toward his goals.

  • alain gervais

    Yes but Mavs may decide to play it

  • donsmacau

    JLIN isn’t driven by money and Cuban dissed JLIN once already.

  • alain gervais

    Its doesn’t matter thats business. Lin gets paid and starts. What ever team is the best option he should go. If thats the rox despite all the stuff they did he should go. The business world is cold. Getting paid is the only way you get respected. This idc about money stuff doesn’t work. Money = respect. Lins most minutes came on the rox when he was paid.

  • sws94

    I don’t think so. Not really in Lin’s character to be spiteful. I think he should go where he can best realize his priorities going forward with his career.

  • alain gervais

    I agree. The safest bet is a coach you know. This is why Lee got so much minutes. Coaches have favorites. Rox and Nets are the best options. Getting a coach to trust you is hard. Look at Lambs minutes. Lin work hard all year to get Cliff to trust him and still got pulled in game 7. After winning three games. Going to a coach who doesn’t know you Like the bulls coach or mavs coach is risky

  • donsmacau

    Money does equal respect but JLIN will NOT want to be one of the highest paid guys commanding an eye-popping salary.

    JLIN ultimately will accept a salary commensurate with what the AVERAGE starting point guard makes depending on demand in free agency.

    and as JLIN said he has been on both ends, accused of getting too much money and getting too little. Both weren’t great and his preference is something average.

  • takeme2cruz

    No one would choose backup for his/her career if there’s a choice.

  • sws94

    Not relevant.

  • alain gervais

    Just think about it though. 12 million is 8 million last year. Its below average. 14 millions seems like average to me.

  • takeme2cruz

    YES as you wrote:

    I think he should go where he can best realize his priorities going forward with his career.

  • donsmacau

    Lee got minutes because MKG got hurt. Lee is gone. But I agree with your point about trusted coaches – there are many posters who believe following a coach that trusts you makes you look weak and dependent on that coach – I disagree.

  • alain gervais

    Lol but most players do that. Unless your lebron( he is the coach)

  • psalm234

    I don’t think that’s how JLin team would make the final decision.
    It would always be the team who believes in JLin the most and offer the best chance to go deep in the playoff.

    Seeing how tough the Western Conference is and how weak the Eastern Conference is, I got a feeling JLin will prefer an Eastern team who gives him a major role as a starting PG. His new team would only have to beat the Cavs to get to the Finals in 2-3 years. And Lin should be highly confident after leading the Hornets to beat the Cavs when Kemba was out.

    My question is which team might offer a major role in the East and believes in him? Nets, 76ers, Knicks, Bucks?
    Knicks source leak on Lin’s “gaping defense” lies might indicate Dolan/Melo made up excuses not to pursue Lin by fabricating weak lies

  • sws94

    Right. His choice, whatever it is I respect it. You’re just injecting something unnecessary that I don’t want to discuss about with you. It never goes anywhere good so let’s just avoid it.

  • alain gervais

    He never said Back up

  • takeme2cruz

    It’s not a discussion, it’s an exposure of your double standard when it comes to Lin career.

  • alain gervais

    good choice. We all want him to start. This discussion is unnecessary

  • donsmacau

    Frankly I think JLIN signs for $8-10 million as a starter because if he gets $12-14 million he will be back criticized for making too much at the upper echelons of starting PG payscale – JLIN does NOT want that.

    Sure the salary cap is going up but JLIN doesn’t care; he could get another $10 mill -$15mill from Asia/China endorsements if he loved money that much.

  • takeme2cruz

    Not “we”, most of us yes.

  • sws94

    The Cavs keep like they are going now in the playoffs, and they’ll be broken up. I personally think Lin would prefer to play on the West coast but may choose an East coast team if going to the playoffs is a top priority. It still goes to the basic question, what will be Lin’s priorities? Also, is it a guarantee he’ll sign long-term? He may look at his options and go, just do one year and maybe next year things will open up. It’s tough to commit to a 3 year or more contract with a team you aren’t sure about.

  • alain gervais

    Lin shouldn’t care about being Critiqued. Just for opportunity. He will shut them up if given the chance. The issue with houston is he never got the chance to prove his worth. He was injured haif the first year. Then bench shortly after. He was averaging 17 ppg then got injured. Then didnt play much minutes the second haif.

  • sws94

    Exactly, he brought that up out of the blue.

  • alain gervais

    whatever anyone feel. You won’t change. Im guessing you already stated your disagreement. So what the point of talking more bout it.

  • takeme2cruz

    Excuse me?

  • real-dsb

    Foregone conclusion from the moment he signed the 2-year $2M/yr contract with the player option.

    Pretend that the Hornets traded away Kemba and gave Lin the starting PG role, and Lin was returning to the Hornets. Lin would still decline the player option to get a bigger contract. The only scenario that Lin would not decline the option if he had a career-ending injury.

  • alain gervais

    Idk if he said it in another topic but from responding to my post he never said anything about Lin starting or not. Your the instigator

  • sws94

    It is. I want him to start. That’s my first choice. That’s the first choice for most of the board regardless of what we feel about plan B. The thing now is to wait and see what type of direction Lin hints he may go in. In all honesty, I’m not expecting him to reveal much.

  • takeme2cruz

    I think you’re very far behind the conversation so you wouldn’t know.

  • real-dsb

    drop this side conversation.

  • sws94

    Keep whatever personal gripes you have with me off of the boards. You instigated it, you should end it. And NEVER bring it up again. It’s unfair to other readers and I’m not interested in discussing it with you.

  • sws94

    done.

  • takeme2cruz

    You want him to go back to the Hornets or the Spurs to play behind Ginobili. How can he be a starter?

  • sws94

    That’s what he doesn’t understand and I’m sick and tired of him using a word I don’t use. I’ve told him that numerous times. Anyway, it’s irrelevant to this discussion and should have never been brought up.

  • takeme2cruz

    Good that you said you don’t know. Should have stayed out.

  • alain gervais

    Well what weird is the west has the best 4 teams. but after that the east fills it up. Meaning getting a 6-8 seed in the west maybe easier then the east. Getting to the finals much harder in the west

  • sws94

    mod said drop it.

  • alain gervais

    ok fair

  • alain gervais

    Lets just move on. Lin will make his choice

  • real-dsb

    we don’t need to rehash the same old arguments every time

  • donsmacau

    Perhaps because your posts have shown a pattern of advocating JLIN works best off the bench (bench is by definition a backup role).

    Notoriety for particular comment is like the boy who cried wolf; a reputation builds and then others impute that you are still referring back to the meme you’re notorious for. If may not be fair at the moment but it is what it is.

  • psalm234

    Lin actually shared he planned to go to the Hornets thinking that it’ll be easier to go to the playoff but then found out in early season that it was very competitive 🙂 So that told us that his plan all along was to increase his FA values this season by going into the playoff

  • sws94

    And my point was following Lin’s priorities anyway. What do I have to do with Lin’s priorities? I’m a fan, not Lin. This whole questioning me is irrelevant.

  • cdblue10

    Their old though and no chance to compete next year .

  • alain gervais

    i agree they dirk looked good but how long will that last. Very surprised at how competitive they were

  • sws94

    Well, I loved seeing him in the playoffs. And he was great. And I wish he could have gone further. Hopefully, soon he will.

  • cdblue10

    Dirk should be doing like Duncan next year.I’m pretty certain that he doesn’t have anymore legs to compete next season.

  • alain gervais

    Dirt is a jump shooter though. He doesn’t need much athleticism

  • cdblue10

    He’s still prolly good for at least 10-18mins max every game.

  • cdblue10

    We will know as soon FA will open up.

  • real-dsb

    What happens a lot is that when people re-broadcast some news, they may have misinterpreted it. So they didn’t notice the “WILL decline” and thought it meant he already declined. It’s like the telephone game.

  • real-dsb
  • takeme2cruz

    I think Hornets would renegotiate his contract for retirement in good term. With his high character and principle, Lin would not take advantage of full payment when he can’t even play.

  • real-dsb
  • alain gervais

    He cant actually opt out until later. Saying Lin “intends” to opt out is like saying the sun “intends” to rise tomorrow mourning……..no ddduuuuhhhh

  • real-dsb

    exactly, I could have “broke” that news a year ago. lol

  • takeme2cruz

    I disagree, he still get criticized no matter how much he gets paid by haters. $8 or $14 mil so why not get what it worth? LOL.

  • alain gervais

    exactly.

  • JoeTeam

    you covered the logic!

  • sws94

    There’s some angle to this report. The thing is, it comes out of Cleveland, a place not really associated with Lin.

  • alain gervais

    wink wink intended. A lot of team will want Lin for various roles. Lin need to start so idk if Cleveland is a real option. We will see. Anyways the more the merrier

  • real-dsb

    League sources told me that Lebron has already given up on the Finals this year, and he’s already planning for next year’s team. So he’s going to kick Love and Kyrie off the team, and Lebron… I mean David Griffin is going to sign Lin and Marvin to help Lebron get to the next level.

    😉

  • real-dsb

    good point, Lin’s no Steve Nash in this regards!

  • alain gervais

    Im still baffled. They took two Scorers on bad teams and though. We gonna win a championship……lol

  • real-dsb

    I don’t think Lin will purposely refuse more money just to avoid criticism, but I think Lin would definitely be willing to take less than the best offer in order to go the team that gives him best chance to reach his goals (starting, winning, playoffs, etc).

  • 1mtoldman

    with the projected salary cap/luxury tax #s for 2016 2017 rising literally every time they are reported and running now from a minimum of 30% to a max of 45% increase (last years increase was more in the range of 10-15%)–the only news that could be breaking would be ANY PLAYER not having the “intent” to opt out.

  • takeme2cruz

    I wouldn’t matter anyway, Teams can’t start contacting until 7-1.

  • Vintage

    I think Lin needs to start. The constant conversation about whether he’s a starter or a bench player and all the context required to properly interpret what all that means is too much work for average NBA fan. Its like what Steve Jobs said: “People don’t know what they want until you show it to them.” By starting Lin, you’re showing the casual fan who doesn’t watch every single game that he’s important, he’s a priority. It’s a label for the general audience. Maybe even the Refs will take notice, and the blows to the head will be less frequent. As tough as Lin is, I don’t want him to end up like a retired football player or boxer with mental issues in old age. You wan’t to give a guy like Lin as much power as possible, because he’ll do great things on and off the court.

    In addition, I know Lin’s one of the most mentally tough players out there, but I think the false perceptions and narratives surrounding him affects his game occasionally. It creates drag. There are limits to what a human can handle, and I’m telling you no one can keep fighting these unnecessary political battles and not feel the consequences. It creates burnout. It lowers personal motivation and expectations.

    Lin’s doing superb with the opportunities given to him, I believe he has a good support group/team around him, and if he stopped playing basketball today I’m sure he’ll still be a very happy and productive person; I just hope that he finds a situation where his abilities and power are maximized, and MOST of those situations to me seem to require a starter role sooner rather than later.

    P.S. I don’t think Lin cares about money, ranking, or power in terms of personal happiness or satisfaction. But I care that he has those things because I think he’s a problem solver and I want to give him all the tools available in this world.

  • donsmacau

    Excellent post – completely agree.

    He is the best he’s every been, give him a chance to sink or swim, that’s all he asks – if he sinks then at least he got his opportunity. But, I predict JLIN will swim like a gold medalist.

  • takeme2cruz

    Bravo. It’s sad but the topic of where Lin should go as a backup should be elsewhere not here, not now.

  • sws94

    I’ve not heard of any basketball player suffering from any concussion-related issues in their retirement. Rudy T. was severely injured by a punch, and that led to the basketball having no tolerance for fighting. But, mostly, the injuries are bad knees, joints, that sort of thing. Now there may be a basketball player with some brain-related issue that I don’t know of, but I think it is fairly uncommon.

    With Lin, he’s a high-contact player but hopefully he will do as he said in his FB message, get his jump shot falling, and will score more from the outside. But he’s still going to drive in and absorb some contact.

    As far as refs go, I just hope they call Lin more fairly. He gets fouls, but he doesn’t get a lot also. And the viral video proved that he doesn’t get calls that should have been not only flagrant 1s, but some flagrant 2s.

  • Vintage

    I think it’s fine to talk about potential backup situations ONLY IF that analysis doesn’t ignore potential problems that every reasonably prudent Lin fan is aware of. If you can’t address those things, the whole conversation just creates a lot of anxiety. For example, it might be ok for a person to say something like “I could see going to Spurs might be a cool option. Sure.. pop might have him backing up Tony Parker, but the Spurs organization has a good track record of taking care of their players and if they give Lin a lot of money, a long contract, I might feel comfortable even the uncertainly caused by coming off the bench.” In that argument, that person would concede that initially it might not be ideal, but in the long term there might be an advantage if there’s a guaranteed commitment. That would be like considering between two law schools, one is pretty good school that’s offering you a full ride (no college loans needed), the other is a top school like Harvard but very expensive with minimal scholarships. It’s a close issue and I think there’s a lot of different ways people can engage that type of question.

  • takeme2cruz

    How do you go from “I think Lin needs to start” to that?

  • Vintage

    I like to hear different viewpoints other than mine. I’m going into law school, so it’s something that I have to get used to. I don’t think Lin should go to the Spurs, but I think they’re one of the best organizations out there.

  • cdblue10

    Lin is in his prime now and it’s just important for his career to start and besides he can go back to being a back up role player when he reach 35.Lin doesn’t have the luxury to be respected like d Parkers and the the Ginoblis type of player so it’s just asinine to bring this kind of conversation on his prime.Yes it’s very lively to talk about this situation but it’s just mute and inane to consider him as a back up to a certain player in this stage of his career.In NBA people only recognized to being as a starter compare to a bench role.Ginobli and Iguadala have different situations since they played starter minutes coming of the bench.If there’s a team who would consider him that kind of playing time and that kind of money why not…but what team would give him that?There is only a short window in NBA players to play in this league and if Lin has the chance to get a starting position then by all means he needs to grab that opportunity.

  • takeme2cruz

    Is that the job of a Judge (where you might be sitting one day)? But as a lawyer, don’t you want to argue to what’s best for your client if you’re representing Lin?

  • Vintage

    Haha you’re absolutely right. I’m not a lawyer yet, just a student. If I want good grades, I’ll have to know and explain both sides well 🙂

  • takeme2cruz

    I got it, play the double advocate.

  • Vintage

    One thing that’s kinda commonly known in neurbio labs is that there’s a lot of variability in inner skull “smoothness” person to person. Like some people naturally have more sharp ridges and at different locations. So that can explain some of the unforeseeable consequences and unpredictable symptoms from certain impact location and head trauma.

  • adele

    Thank you for this wonderful post👏🏼

  • lleepar

    Some humor accompanying today’s Lin announcement …
    https://twitter.com/russbengtson/status/740188722205974529

  • 7Jeremiah17
  • PPP

    I would suggest you send this as an email to all the GMs that need a starting pg. What you said had been posting here again and again and again.

    No disrespect. haha.

  • PPP

    he intends to give up.
    he intends to kick those two out.
    he intends to trade for cp3/melo.

    my multiple sauces had told me – chris brossard

  • PPP

    so you are say Lin doesn’t want to play against the best if all things are equal?

  • psalm234

    Eric Pincus clarified that it should be reported as “intends to opt out”
    6/22 should be the earliest date to opt out but if Lin’s camp called to report the intent to opt out, it might be what really happened.

    Without Lin’s camp denying it, it would serve as a notification to all teams who plan to recruit Lin to be ready to make a pitch by 7/1

    The process is JLin’s agent would need to notify team, not the league.

    https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740233152853999617
    https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740240524477497345

  • I am The Jason

    Whether it is “Lin intends to opt out” or “Lin has opted out of his contract”, this is good news. We all know he will get a sizable raise. Hopefully a starting spot on a roster to go with that raise. Now I expect even more crazy rumors about where Lin will go.

  • gasparthe2nd

    Hurrah !!! to Mr. Lin for opting out. Congratulations! You said the right thing and then DID the right thing. Going to Houston would be torture once again as even d’Antoni won’t be able to control Melo… humph… I meant Kobe…. humph, sorry… I mean what’shisname.

    See you in Bklyn Lin. We love you. Win. Win. Win.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    There seems to be some widely propagated confusion. Eric Pincus is now saying more clearly than ever that 6/22 is the latest date for Lin to opt out on. It is the deadline. (It is not the earliest possible date as many have been led to believe.)

  • psalm234

    Not sure if this is a leak or just pure speculation but @MySportsLegion has 350K followers

    @MySportsLegion
    Jeremy Lin will decline his $2.2 million player option and become an unrestricted free agent.
    Possible targets: Hornets, Nets, 76ers.

    https://twitter.com/MySportsLegion/status/740248523174731776

  • psalm234

    If 6/22 is the deadline to opt out, not sure what’s stopping Lin’s camp to opt out as early as possible

    It should be clarified soon, I think

  • PPP

    6/22 is the last day for the opt out, not the earliest.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I thought the same. Perhaps he’s waiting to provide insurance in case he gets injured between now and 6/22?

    https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740038966812889089

  • DX

    FoxSports: Jeremy Lin is a free agent again after reportedly declining option with Hornets

    http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-free-agent-houston-rockets-linsanity-060716

  • DX

    Hopefully the order is Nets, 76ers, Hornets.

  • psalm234

    I guess officially opting out 8-9 days before 7/1 doesn’t really impact teams preparation to make a pitch to him. So opting out at the last day is the expected norm

    It makes sense to make announcement of “will opt out” now but officially sign out on 6/22 through agent

  • alain gervais

    A good question- If Lin opts out 6/22 why does he have to wait till 7/1 to talk to teams??? Isn’t he already a free agent thus should be able to talk to teams on 6/22??

  • I am The Jason

    Technically, Lin is unemployed on 6/22 and can’t apply for another NBA playing job until Free Agency begins. It like signing up for health insurance. There is a certain period that allows you sign up for the services.

  • takeme2cruz

    Fair business competition.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    That’s true of all players. Even those who have expiring contracts and don’t need to opt out: no negotiations with teams until 7/1 and no signing until 7/7.

  • psalm234

    Expect a fun video of Naruto (Ryan Higa) training hard in the off-season with Jeremy Lin soon 🙂
    https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/740297191571390465

  • PPP

    you send your resignation letter on 6/22 but effective date is 7/1. you are still under contract until the effective date.

  • alain gervais

    Perfect example. Thx

  • psalm234

    got it.. thx, corrected

  • PPP

    np. at first I thought I am wrong, haha.

  • BobbyH

    New York local?

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Also it’s the team who sets the deadline for opting out and the team’s interest is to know as soon as possible to make their draft picks and FA plans. So it makes more sense that the Hornets want to know by 6/22 rather than won’t even allow it until 6/22.

  • PPP

    np

  • alain gervais

    thx. I remember last year it went like that but i thought they shorten the period this year. Im nit sure if thats true

  • alain gervais

    possibly

  • alain gervais

    Thats possible

  • lleepar

    Looks like a picture from JLin’s recent teip to Las Vegas
    https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/738218004937244672

  • 7Jeremiah17

    As a rule, Lin never complains, never criticizes others. Except in his videos. If you want to understand how Lin thinks, watch his videos where he uses humor and sarcasm to vent his frustrations. Good example is from the “You’ve changed bro” video. Some kid from Junior High runs into him and wants to give Lin lessons on dribbling and…the ball. This is Lin rolling his eyes at the fans who love to tell Lin what he needs to improve on, how to train, who to train with and how he needs to spend much more time in the gym.

    Did fans get the message? Nope. Tiger fans love to give him bb advice.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    They shortened the period from 7/1 to 7/7, the period know as the “moratorium.” when actual contract signing is still forbidden. Last year it was longer. But the start of FA was the same: 7/1

  • LinMadd

    seriously, who would not opt out of Hornets $2mln option after playing that well? It’s obvious even if they have no league source.

  • CJSHYY
  • 7Jeremiah17

    A couple of times I’ve tried to make the case that the Spurs did consider recruiting Lin last summer.

    Here is evidence from a reliable sauce:

    “Lin also fielded interest from several teams, including Dallas, Memphis, Indiana, Chicago, San Antonio and the Clippers, according to a league source.”

    http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2015/07/01/nba-free-agency-lakers-reach-out-to-jeremy-lin/

    It’s gonna be Nets or Spurs next season!

  • Lin Dunn

    Wow first time Lin is named as the #2 PG available in FA, usually he is listed as #3 behind MC and Rondo. Interesting they list De C as #5

    http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/top-5-nba-point-guards-free-agency-jeremy-lin-nando-de-colo-makes-list/26402/

  • HVJoy

    NBA TV? So it’s official now!

    Lin opted out of Hornets contract as expected by his fans here.
    Let the bidding war begin! Let the suitors break down his agent’s door! 🙂

  • lleepar

    Reporters, bloggers, and tweeters have been writing for weeks that the consensus is that JLin will opt out. So I’m a little surprised that sports journalists and bloggers suddenly point to one more tweet — by a Cleveland reporter, no less — and suddenly it’s being reported by everyone. I guess we can deduce that the Cleveland reporter and his sources are respected by his peers.

  • lleepar

    I’m not sure how much the NBA office is vetting everything said on NBATV. But even if it’s not official today, it will be soon — and well before the July 1 date when suitors can legitimately approach JLin’s agent.

  • CaliUSMC

    That’s awesome.. How come he didn’t mention the nets though?

  • alain gervais

    That would be a dream.

  • lleepar

    Even in the pretend scenario, it would be hard for the Hornets to get a trading partner for Kemba until medical teams can sign off on his knee surgery. That might take until well into the free agency period. Other then the usual “it went well” right after Kemba’s surgery, I haven’t heard anything more about the speed of Kemba’s rehab.

  • Rick Johnson

    Don’t think San Antonio has the cap space.

  • Rick Johnson

    Sometimes he gives a clue on how he really feels when he does his testimony in Taiwan. Although I sometimes wonder if even in that talk things a tweaked a bit for evangelical effect.

  • HVJoy

    Are you trying to curb my excitement? 🙂

    As NBA TV is the official TV channel of the organization, I trust its reporting is accurate. While no “legitimate” communication regarding free agency can take place before 7/1, there is no stopping informal chatters by telephone or over meals with the players’ agents.

  • KHuang

    But none of those teams OFFERED MONEY to Lin.

    Only Charlotte stepped forward with a FORMAL CONTRACT OFFER IN WRITING.

    It’s just like how the 2012 Knicks said that they’d “match up to one billion” but ended up never paying a single cent when formal contracts started flying around.

  • BobbyH

    I believe there were verbal offers. Lin just needed to weight in among them.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Yeah and you said many times that no team will offer Lin any contract. I guess Lin will regret opting out of his Hornets contract cause then he’ll be out of the NBA. Correct?

  • HVJoy

    hahaha. Love that Melo is down on the floor with a painful expression on his face.

  • KHuang

    Guess whatever you want.

    The only team that put a contract offer in front of Lin was Charlotte, and the money was so INSULTINGLY LOW that any nonAsian free agent with stats less than Lin’s would have LAUGHED AT CHO and SHUT DOWN NEGOTIATIONS.

    No team in the NBA offered Lin a FAIR contract. That’s because NBA front offices are racist against Asians.

    Now will Lin receive any formal offers in writing this offseason? We shall find out soon enough.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Papa Lin said 8-9 teams expressed interest. Medina listed 7 on July 1st. Two teams contacted Lin a bit later: Nets and Hornets?

  • KHuang

    Verbal offers don’t count.

    Otherwise Lin would still be a Knick and would never have joined the Rockets.

    A formal contract has to be OFFERED AND SIGNED.

    Lin took the ONLY FORMAL OFFER he was given.

    Lin’s not a nonAsian player like Kyle Lowry who had multiple formal offers to choose from.

  • BobbyH

    Verbal offer counts in terms of laws, especially in NBA. All these contract negotiations going thru phones, and then the final deal is done, at that moment, the last verbal offer has the legal binding.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I’m just repeating what you’ve posted countless times. Mavs also were in serious negotiations. But we’ve had this argument many times already. No need to beat a dead horse.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Bobby it’s futile.

  • KHuang

    Oh?

    So DeAndre Jordan’s VERBAL AGREEMENT with the Mavs had him in a Mavs uniform all season long? Did I miss something?

  • KHuang

    Of course it is futile.

    I didn’t see Lin playing with the Knicks after they gave him a “verbal agreement”. Are you saying that when I saw Lin in a Rockets and Lakers jersey, I actually was seeing Lin in a Knicks uniform?

  • KHuang

    Lin’s agent talked to a ton of teams.

    Only Charlotte could offer terms close to what Lin felt was acceptable – and that’s why Charlotte went ahead and prepared Lin a formal contract to sign.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    DJ was a very rare exception. But let’s take your argument to its usual conclusion. No team thinks Lin belongs in the NBA and none will offer him a contract. Lin will be foolish to opt out of his contract with CLT. Right?

  • zxcvb

    According to reports, Memphis and Brooklyn both offered contracts.

    Yet another point for the Nets…

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I never said the Knicks wanted Lin. I said they wouldn’t want him even if he played for free. Heck you couldn’t pay Melo and Dolan to sign Lin.

  • KHuang

    Actually, I totally agree with you that the Mavs were in “serious negotiations” with Lin.

    That was formally reported on NBA.com and hoopshype as a legitimate rumor.

    Unfortunately, it was also reported on those two “gold standard” sites that the Mavs LOST INTEREST in Lin. The Deron Williams and JJ Barea signings were reported as what prevented the Mavs from offering Lin a formal contract to sign.

    So there is no disagreement from me on your current post.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    KHuang: if the rumor wasn’t reported on Hoopshype or ESPN it didn’t happen.
    ( I saved KHuang some keystrokes)

  • KHuang

    OK, that’s acceptable.

    But it goes to show that in contract law in the NBA, you’ve gotta have it in WRITING.

  • KHuang

    NOT TRUE.

    NOT REPORTED.

    NOT SIGNED.

  • KHuang

    You still got it WRONG.

    I don’t consider ESPN a gold standard site.

    So either get it right or STOP LYING.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I forgot your other favorite sauce so I guessed ESPN. Which is the correct one?

  • KHuang

    NBA.com

    That’s the site that I trust.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Now I remember lol.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    If LMA had not signed with the Spurs, Lin would have been a Spur this season which would have been 1000x better than the Hornets. Once LMA came to a verbal agreement with the Spurs, Lin had to move to his second choice: Mavs. If DJ had honored his verbal agreement, Lin would have been a Mav which is 100x better than the Hornets. By the time DJ backed out, Lin had missed some option like Bulls or Nets. Then he got a phone call from Cliffraud…

    But this year it will be Nets or Spurs. I think a lot of fans don’t realize how fantastic for Lin a long term deal with the Spurs would be.

  • linspiredinla

    This is very amusing to read. I seem to recall someone post here a while back that JLin will be out of the NBA. I have not logged on to this site after that post.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    That would be KHuang or GoodayLA. But they’re backtracking lately.

  • BobbyH

    It is the team that makes the offer binding. Mavs can’t back out once offer is accepted.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    They can squeeze Lin in. They have to rejuvenate their back court or they’re not a contender. Rumors about them targeting Conley and Durant would indicate they can make room.

  • lleepar

    ” … With the front court set, Jackson & Knicks will look to upgrade the backcourt this offseason via trade or free agency.” (See article in tweet.) Knicks looking for guard upgrade.
    https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/740321953236455424

  • alain gervais

    Its always going to be hard to tell who offer Lin contracts. Most of it is rumor except the teams Lin actually signs with.

  • Rick Johnson

    Rondo would be a Knicks type move and will end in disaster like most Knicks moves.

  • alain gervais

    After What i saw on Lin from “inside sources”, I’ve lowered them on my list. their new coach did state their want to still use the triangle. Its just not ideal. Playing for a coach Lin doesn’t know is risky. Its brooklyn or Rox because Lin knows what he will get. Spurs or mavs have great coaches which is why i would rank them above Knicks. Chicago would also be above Knicks

  • alain gervais

    lol yup thats what i want. Im from NY I’m just tired of this poorly run team. Lin should avoid them

  • lleepar

    From my perspective, the more teams shopping for guards, the better for JLin. Melo may want Rondo, and there’s a part me that feels they do deserve each other. I have a feeling that Conley may not be going anywhere if the Grizzlies have their way. So if the Knicks then take Rondo off the market, that reduces JLin’s competition for other open spots.

  • Lin Dunn

    How do you know Papa Lin?

  • Rick Johnson

    Rondo will probably get Phil Jackson fired or he will end up quitting.

  • Michael

    Lol best front court.

  • Charlie Sun

    Let the games begin. Starter role. Nothing less.

  • takeme2cruz

    They’ve seen Lin in playoff against the Heat without any good front court. Prepare for anything, Lin will get high bidders this July since Conley will most likely stays in Memphis.

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO, Lin could have opt out much earlier but decided to give Hornets FO the opportunity give him a concrete plan on how they intent to move forward as a team inorder for them to resign him at a reasonable and appropriate salary to allow Hornets to build a roster to be a competitive contender. However the ‘demand’ by Batum agent on the Hornet to commit to resign him earlier probably at max meaning Lin decided to opt out at an earlier day as it is now clear that it would be difficult for Hornets to build a contender with Batum and KW as their key pieces. Heck, Hornets will probably miss the playout without Lin.

  • zxcvb

    Actually, the Nets reportedly offered more.

    http://www.netsdaily.com/2016/4/21/11481920/jeremy-lin-on-kenny-atkinson-i-know-how-much-he-was-there-for-me

    The Nets were interested in Lin last summer, offering him a multi-year contract, based on the Mini-MLE, league sources tell NetsDaily. That would have meant a starting salary of $3.4 million, but Lin’s team wanted a deal starting at $5+ million.

    That said, I don’t think it was about more $$$ per se, but rather coach/trust. If Lin was going to play for awful Lionel Hollins, he understandably wanted more money. Charlotte offered less but they had Silas to vouch for them.

  • zxcvb

    Brooklyn or bust. Everything else is a very distant second.

  • alain gervais

    lol now they have to give him 12 million plus

  • DrewBear2

    Was it the Nets or Grizzlies who wanted to lock him up for 3 years without a player option?

  • Rick Johnson

    Rondo is supposed to be the 2nd best PG after Conley but I don’t see any rumors of anybody wanting him and he is so limited I really don’t see how he would be desired above JLin. I hope he goes to somewhere I don’t want JLin to go to like the Knicks or Rockets. He will bring more drama and poor locker room chemistry.

  • alain gervais

    Grizzlies

  • zxcvb

    Grizzlies. Ironically, that might have served Lin well usage-wise since Conley (and Gasol) got injured. Then again, if Lin ends up on the Nets, I guess things worked out for the best.

  • zxcvb

    Rox and Knicks are disaster areas. No reason to even consider them unless every other good option is eliminated. They’re basically just leverage and media attention for Lin, nothing more.

  • casual bb fan

    No 7!

  • Rick Johnson

    Cav’s going to reshuffle if they lose another Championship? Irving and Love’s poor defense being exposed.

    https://twitter.com/NBABNN/status/740347898425016320

  • Rick Johnson

    Byron Scott’s head is in a different reality. Why do they have him on radio shows?

    https://twitter.com/diamond83/status/740295360128503808

  • Casual bb fan

    Haha. Add $10m for the discount he gave them this season! Lin deserves the back pay after helping them to create history with his strong and inspiring games.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I don’t know Papa Lin. He said it in an interview to Taiwanese media after FA.

  • joy

    BS is a joke. Anything comes out of his mouth is rubbish but there are still people buy them. smh

  • CJSHYY

    Got this from the other side. Don’t like Lin back to NYK now but this sounds like Lin???

    Hornacek: “So if we can find a point guard who, that’s the 27, 28-year-old guy who has the experience and still has a lot of juice left, sure that would make us better.” 27 years old with plenty of experience and will make the team better, who would that be?

  • DrewBear2

    Conley’s 28.

  • CJSHYY

    I think he’s 29?? plus he’s too expensive. If they want to pay him max that’s 25M more than Melo…

  • DrewBear2

    I double checked. He’s 28, ten months older than Lin. He might be too expensive for the Knicks, but I have doubts he can command a max contract.

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    if he’s thinking Lin then he better pass because Lin isn’t just some guy who would make them better, he’s a guy that will take him deep into the playoffs.. and i don’t think that’s their goal. keep shooting low, knicks!

  • CJSHYY

    I think Mem will pay him the most money among the teams. I bet he will stay w Mem.

  • joy

    Even he meant Lin, I still don’t like the idea of Lin playing for the Knicks and with Melo.

  • takeme2cruz

    When Rondo was nobody, he played differently. After winning championship, he’s a cancer wherever he goes.

  • CJSHYY

    Me too.

  • takeme2cruz

    Conley is about that age too.

  • takeme2cruz

    I don’t mind but since he has possible better options…..

  • joy

    Conley is one year older than JLin!

  • Rick Johnson

    I think Memphis has his Bird rights. They would be able to offer him the most and longest contract if they are planning to retain him which they have said they will.

  • Rick Johnson

    I don’t know if people actually buy what he’s saying or its more for comic relief.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    STOP LYING

    That wasn’t reported on NBA.com or HoopsHype.

  • Rick Johnson

    It’s okay, the more teams pursuing him the better. I will drive up his price somewhere else.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Lin could lead the Spurs to a championship the very first season.

  • joy

    I’m sure there’d be more rumors about Knicks pursuing Lin later. Hope Lin’s agent will do a better job this year.

  • joy

    I think so.

  • takeme2cruz

    But he’s still 28 now.

  • grover chang

    The only things I like about the Knicks are fans in MSG and Frazier’s comments. I do have nostalgia for both.

  • Rick Johnson

    Yes, if they could get rid of Melo and Dolan going to the NYK would be great.

  • takeme2cruz

    No matter what we might think of Melo, he’s a much better person than Harden.

  • Rick Johnson

    Hopefully Grizzlies will offer him the max and he will accept it right away and taken off the market. (they can offer him the most and longest contract) Do the Grizzlies have to wait until July to sign their own player?

  • joy

    he’s born in 1987 so he’s 29 this year.

  • Rick Johnson

    Born 10/11/87 so will be 29 by the start of next season.

  • takeme2cruz

    based on the comment made by Honercek, 27-28 is now including Conley.

  • takeme2cruz

    Honercek picked the age 27-28 in his comment was right on the top 2 free agent point guards. Not a coincidence.

  • takeme2cruz

    Love Frazier.

  • alain gervais

    That article is my issue. Cant have a coach think that of Lin. Says no research being done

  • Rick Johnson

    Rondo is 30, sorry Melo. Deron Williams is 31 BTW

  • joy

    Rondo is not on the list then ’cause he’s one year older than Conley. 🙂

  • alain gervais

    Ofcourse he is married with kids

  • alain gervais

    where can i find this article??/

  • takeme2cruz

    He once flew to CA with Woodson to take Lin out for steak dinner to ensure that they want him to be back to be their pg.

    He once compared one great game of teammate reminded him of Linsanity.

  • alain gervais

    We will see if thats true soon enough. It was a bit discouraging what i saw from that article. I really want Lin on the knicks but that article pissed me off

  • takeme2cruz

    Which one?

  • alain gervais

    Lins “gaping’ defense

  • George Livingston

    I’m sorry you have to be kidding…Melo got Jeremy pushed out of Ne York…remember that ridiculous contract poison pill contract statement. Didn’t you hear Amare basically validate Melo wasn’t happy about Linsanity? Melo is a scum bag.

  • takeme2cruz

    One person opinions with un-source not a report. He also said negative things about Rondo and Lawson.

  • alain gervais

    He said “sources inside the Knicks”

  • takeme2cruz

    He did and no way we know how high or just a team trainer. I wouldn’t throw out everything based on an independent article.

  • alain gervais

    Well we will see what happens 23 days or so

  • Rick Johnson

    Also hit Lin with that dirty upper cut to the jaw.

  • takeme2cruz

    He’s no perfect and I am not saying Knicks would be Lin’s only choice. Just compare the 2 team stars Lin had to deal with.

    That was a ridiculous contract created by a sneaky Morey.

  • Lin Dunn

    I believe actually off court JH has openly wished Lin the best. (D12 and JH both told the press they wish Lin the best prior to Lin’s first return to Rox as a Laker ). But of course Rox pushed Lin out to accommodate JH’s style of play.

  • takeme2cruz

    Agree.

  • psalm234

    First stop is Taiwan to kick off his Asia tour on 6/11 after the opt-out announcement.
    Nicely done, JLin Team!

    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/740387114076884992

  • james brown

    i liked these phrase more: “Its like what Steve Jobs said: “People don’t know what they want until you show it to them.”…end of quote”

  • lleepar

    That may just mean that there are two inside factions who are fighting the others’ choices. We saw that when Mike D’Antoni was named as one of the front-runners for the Rockets coaching position. Right after that, we had a whole bunch of negative stuff hit the Internet about his coaching record, etc.

    With that Knicks comment about JLin, it may not mean that they aren’t interested. It may mean that they are interested — and someone doesn’t like it. We don’t know who inside the Knicks made a comment about Lin’s gaping defense. It might not even be someone who has a say their roster construction.

  • james brown

    like also the ” sink or swim” analogy!

  • CJSHYY

    I think it’s Lin.

  • alain gervais

    agreed i remember when Lin choose rox. It was reported some in the knicks was happy or didn’t care. While the pother was unhappy about it. Still Lin has made it known he wanted to return to NY last year. We will see what happen

  • james brown

    i like where your words are bringing in to the table..its precise and no room for misunderstanding nor misleading leading to a mis-interpretation.

  • takeme2cruz

    Can’t argue with that.

  • JoeTeam

    Who’s with me in thinking that JLin DOESN’T make these kinds of D mistakes that LeBron is making? (caps homage to KHuang).

  • lleepar

    He could br looking at trades in addition to free agents. I think Teague is in that age range.

  • zxcvb

    I wouldn’t say that. I guess he’s a little more mature since he’s older.

    The only reason I’d hate Melo less is that he’s a SF, not a SG. He wouldn’t take the ball out of Lin’s hands as much.

  • takeme2cruz

    It needs players with high IQ to switch. Lin has been guarding multiple players to cover his teammates late switching.

  • takeme2cruz

    Very well be but Knicks have almost nothing to trade for. Signing free agent seem much easier for big money and big market.

  • zxcvb

    Knicks would be a last resort (along with Houston). If there’s no Nets offer or any other starting job, then Lin can consider a Knicks return. I doubt they even want him back very much. Knowing Dolan and Melo, they’re probably more concerned about Brook-Linsanity making them look bad.

  • real-dsb

    well, Eric Pincus’ tweet was confusing because this was the twitter conversation (from May 2):

    linspiredinca: “when can players opt out?”
    pincus: “most can now – some have to wait til closer to July”
    linspiredinca: “what about @Jlin7?”
    pincus: “by 6/22/2016”

    which made it sound like Lin had to wait until 6/22.

  • real-dsb

    yes, I believe that even players without options or contract for next year (like Durant) will not officially become free agents until 7/1.

  • takeme2cruz
  • linspiredinla

    Nope, just as argumentative as ever! I thought this is a site for Lin fans. Guess I did make the right choice by not logging onto this site all these months.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    As argumentative as ever but has stopped screaming that Lin will be out of the NBA next season.

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO those were not ridiculous contract by any measure. The uniqueness of Lin’s game is worth more than max on any team he joins so long as he is given the ball to create plays and make the game easier as a team n elevates his team mates game on the proviso that there is no divas on the team.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    For sure he reveals a lot about himself during the summer testimonials. He talks about the challanges he faced. But he’s still very careful not to blame anyone. He has said good things about MDA. But I don’t think he ever mentioned McHale or BS.

  • linspiredinla

    Not really. I just read their recent posts. Thanks anyway. Best to stay away.

  • JLin fan from Australia

    JLin will arrive Taipei on 10 June @6am local time. 40 hours from now:-)
    https://twitter.com/jain0517/status/740421493155352576

  • JLin fan from Australia

    Won’t surprise if I hear JLin is going to give us an unexpected destination again in less than a month:-)
    https://twitter.com/RetweetNBA/status/740398629240877057

  • PPP

    Nice find.

    I hope it’s the Knicks but my guess is Lin will choose the rockets esp if les offers him a big contract something like 60m for 4 years being the 4th is player option or 50m for 3, 3rd year player option, haha.

    Mavs are still my dark horse.

  • Rick Johnson

    Marc Whittington
    ‏@MWhittington13
    Think the Sixers need a PG? That’s great! I agree! Here are some options that we could sign WITHOUT giving up Noel.
    https://twitter.com/MWhittington13/status/738827967514611712

  • sport

    If Les offers Lin a bigger contract than Harden and player option with MDA as head coach sure. Just can’t stand the 3 stooges and racist fans.

  • Rick Johnson

    Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 3m3 minutes ago
    The Knicks need backcourt help. @TommyBeer compiled a list of 15 realistic free agent guards New York should target:
    https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/740448740843134976

    Jeremy Lin, 28, Player Option:
    He’s the type of guard the Knicks need (a penetrating point guard who can wreak havoc by getting into the paint), but too many burnt bridges between Lin and the organization makes it highly unlikely Linsanity would return to MSG. (The smart money says Lin ends up across the river in Brooklyn playing for new Nets coach Kenny Atkinson).

  • zxcvb

    Prediction: On July 4th, Jeremy will declare his LINdependence Day with a Facebook post announcing his decision.

  • JLin fan from Australia
  • gasparthe2nd

    Yes. Greetings. Born and raised in the Big Apple; a witness to Linsanity and shall never forget it. He brought hope to the Knicks, but then he was gone. Are you a NY’er?

  • KHuang

    That meeting?

    UGH!!!

    That was the meeting where Woodson and Melo told Lin that the Knicks would be bringing in other free agent point guards to REPLACE LIN.

    Carmelo and Woodson flying out to NY was basically CAA flying out to gleefully inform Lin thag he eas being kicked out of the Knicks!

  • KHuang

    Don’t read too much into that.

    Hornacek was speaking in generalities, not specifics.

    If the Knicks really wanted Lin, they’d make that clear in the papers just like they did last season with Phil Jackson openly wanting Goran Dragic.

  • BobbyH

    Yeh, right. More harm than good for those refs gangs. In stead of L2R, the leagues should post a L4R for each quarter as a change to the right direction.

  • KHuang

    The Knicks didn’t want Lin last year.

    I seriously doubt that they want him this year.

    The “gaping defense” thing is a LEAGUEWIDE PERCEPTION of Lin based strictly on his RACE and not his actual game.

    Even if you sat NBA executives down and pummeled them with stats and video, they’d STILL insist that Lin has worse defense than James Harden.

  • KHuang

    Sources OUTSIDE the Knicks and teams that aren’t even the Knicks are saying the same damn thing about Lin’s imaginary lack of defense.

  • martan267

    Just was reading the Reddit thread about Jeremy opting out and I gotta say, it made me really like the Hornet’s fans more. They just really appreciate and recognize Jeremy for his BB skills. The snapshot is about the Knicks article dissing Jeremy’s D and a Hornet’s fan’s rebuttal…

  • BobbyH

    Used to live in Queens. Now Nassau. But like you, witnessed Linsanity and Lin brought me back to NBA.

  • Acbc

    What is winning? Is it being the 6th man on a winning team? No one chants “we’re number 6”! There’s a good reason everyone wants to be number 1.

    THE TRUE VALUE OF SPORTS IS TO FOSTER THAT DRIVE TO BE THE BEST AND NOT TO AIM TO BE SECOND OR SIXTH BEST.

    At its core value, Sports serves society by reminding us of that drive to compete and make one another improve so as to advance the specie, a kind of Darwinian drive to promote survival of the fittest. By this narrative, sports represents a divining of our best human character, not to beat down everyone in our way but to help the one who will become the best of all of us. This is why we look up to heroes. They represent a collective expression of all our hopes and dreams.

    What does it take to be Usain Bolt? It takes all the fellow athletes who have made him better by pushing him to strive harder to break records. He break previous ideas of what is the shape or size of a sprinter.

    When Lebron was the pinnacle of the field in the NBA, many wonder who can defeat such a freak athlete, the same way many wonder who’ll surpass Bolt? Now we have the answer! Stef Curry is making us ask the same questions. How can any teams beat the GSW?

    What does it take to be a Stef Curry? People shake their heads in disbelief of his shooting skill. They are in awe and wonder how he does it. They can’t believe it because no one except for Curry believed it. CURRY CAN SHOOT THE WAY HE DOES BECAUSE HE DOESN’T ALLOW OTHER’S IDEAS OF WHAT IS THE LIMITS OF SHOOTING TO FILL HIM WITH THEIR DOUBTS. Curry is pushing the 3 average norm to over 45% and maybe even 50%. Fans look at him and wonder in awe at the crazy shots he takes that no coach can draw up plays for.

    Lin believes he’s a starter and a difference maker. He believes (as many of us believe) that his set of skills CAN BE the new answer to what will beat the GSW. Lin combines the athleticism of Russell Westbrook but with the tenacity of great defence. Lin also owns the fastest mental processor in the NBA and has demonstrated the toughest clutch skill of them all. He has demonstrated time and time again how he can find the weakness in opponents seams to pit his teammates best skills against those weaknesses. How does Lin make Tyson Chandler, Ed Davis and Asik a PNR partner, Novak into a star shooter and allowed Landry Fields to reap in his best financial contract? Lin just always finds ways to make his teammates shine.

    Curry has made people shake their heads with his skillful hands. Lin will do it with his brain and heart.

    If Atkinson can unleash Lin’s potentials, the NJNets will be the team that will dethrone the GSW.

  • John Focker

    Hurting Vegas, and therefore CAA revenues via gambling. No questionable star calls in last 2 minutes harms CAA ability to manipulate game outcomes. Donaghy was telling the truth, most of the refs bet on games and have vested interest.

    Silver is definitely on the right path to restore the league’s credibility.

  • webattorney

    I don’t remember Lin ever saying that he believes that his set of skills CAN BE the new answer to what will beat the GSW? I wouldn’t be surprised if he thinks that, but I never heard Lin say this.

    Actually, I want Lin starting on a decent team that has a chance to go deep in playoff, but I am not sure if I want him on a lousy team. Heck, I would not mind Lin playing Livingston’s role on GSW and get a ring. But if you say that even a lousy team will make the playoff after Lin joins, we just have to wait and see. Anyway, I can see why a lot of Lin fans want him to start even on a lousy team.

    My preference would be Lin starting on a decent team.

  • CJSHYY
  • casual bb fan

    IMO, a unique 5 on 5 basketball player of Lin’s caliber who can elevate the performance of individual members of his team without divas into a cohesive unit can beat most team in the current MBA with divas/egocentric iso players. Lin have proven such a scenerio with wins like the Hornets/Cav game with Kemba out. Heck, a Lin led team can even beat well coached team with all star players like Spurs after his team dug a 20+ deficit in the 1st qtr. For a change, you kindself and Mr Sws94 need to have confidence and be optimistic on a Lin led team/any MBA team minus the divas.

  • Ray Lam

    Oh right, cuz Calderon and Jerian Grant’s defense is so good. So tired of all these stupid assumptions. They talk like all these other starting pgs in the league are elite defenders. Give me a freaking break!!

  • Jamie

    The spurs are like that but they still lost to lousy teams like OKC and the Warriors.
    You need superstars to win games and get calls

  • Jamie

    Lin never said his skill set can be the new answer to beating the GSW. He’s impressed by Curry’s quick release.
    He does not have Westbrook’s athleticism, nobody does, He is a freak of nature.
    Being a 6th man doesnt make you number 6. Some 6th men are 2nd or 3rd options playing starter minutes.
    If Lin can’t start for a decent team, being the 6th man for a really good team is not bad at all.

  • DX

    ‘Charlotte Hornets Roster: Who Will Return Next Season?’ via @fansided

    If Jeremy Lin is your second priority after Batum, how much are you willing to spend knowing that the price will be driven up as he is a high priority for many teams?

    http://swarmandsting.com/?p=41520

  • sws94

    What does 6th man have to do with placement seeding or placement in a championship series? We’re number 6 is coming in 6th place but says nothing of who contributed to getting you there. And if you are number one, you probably have a deep team of skilled players.

    And I strongly doubt most players in any sports aren’t trying to get to the number 1 spot either or be the best player they could be. If you ask them, they all want to start and be the best, or at least their best.

  • DrewBear2

    Basketball is a team sport. You don’t win alone. At the pro level, only fans chant “We’re Number 1” and even in high school it’s “we’re” and not “I’m”. Players certainly have individual goals, but often they need to subordinate those goals in order to win. LeBron could easily own the scoring title each year, but that’s not his goal. He wants to win championships.

    40 years ago fans used to debate whether Wilt was “the best”. He had all the records (mostly offensive, but many defensive). But he only had two “rings” (they didn’t gave out rings back then), while his arch enemy Bill Russell didn’t have enough fingers for his “rings”. A typical conclusion would be to say Wilt was the best individual player, but Russell was a winner.

    Jeremy has said that he wants to achieve his potential, but he’s never even implied that his goal is for people to one day say “He’s the best that ever played.”. He might aspire to be the best point guard playing today, but I doubt he even thinks about it in those terms. He wants to improve as a player, but with the ultimate goal of helping his team win.

    So to answer your original question, “being the 6th man on a winning team” is by definition winning. Being the starting PG on a losing team is losing. The more apt question is which would Jeremy choose IF he could only choose one. Obviously he’d rather have both and that is what we as fans want for him.

  • sws94

    It’s a good option 2 or 2a, Jamie. Just weigh factors and get in a good situation. For me, if you play 30 minutes, close games, and get touches, you’re functioning like a starter. Only difference is that you come in the game later so your name isn’t called at the beginning of the game and 3rd quarter. Now, those positions are few and far between. That’s the whole problem with 6th man and why it’s more desirable to try to get a starting position. And I would be open to starting SG as well (with the touches, not standing in the corner). Just get more minutes and more involvement so he can make the impact he always makes regardless of coach or system even if some systems and coaches favor his game better.

  • sws94

    I agree. In basketball especially, it’s a superstar’s league.

  • cdblue10

    Oh,Oh Oh are they going to trade Kemba?LOL

  • PPP

    You need superstars to play team games to win.

  • DrewBear2

    For those who don’t want to check: Guelli is “EVP, Chief Sales & Marketing Officer, Charlotte Hornets”

    As many of us here thought, nothing is official because legally nothing can be official until a specific date that is specified (but not made public) in Jeremy’s contract. That date has been rumored to be June 17.

  • Jamie

    Yep, bunch of good players can only get you so far

  • Jamie

    of course starting is better but if ur not the best player on the team coming off the bench as 6th man is not all that bad it will give you more touches because you play when best players are on the bench you have more freedom
    just cause you start doesnt mean you will get touches(LA and Hou)

  • cdblue10

    Who thought that GSW has superstars until they won their ring a year ago?

  • cdblue10

    Who thought that Curry and Thompson will become that good after they became the GSW’s primary starter?and don’t exclude Green as well.Noone even thought that they’ll going to the playoff last season and much more to win a ring.You guys need to watch a lot of basketball.One more example,who thought that Billups Piston will win against the mighty Lakers when they got their ring?

  • webattorney

    No need for superstars but you need talent. The Knicks team during the Linsanity period would not have made a deep playoff run whether Lin was injured or not. You have to look at the entire season IMO. But I agree Lin would improve any team because of the way he plays the game.

  • sws94

    I agree. Starting is no cure-all. I’ve been saying that all-along and getting into “spirited” debates about it. I’m glad to see others who agree with that. Starting just gives a hope that Lin will get that involvement and those minutes. But it guarantees nothing and Lin’s history starting proves that. It’s all in his touches, involvement, and will he be on the court crucial minutes in the game. And personally, I think closing games is much more important. And not all starters close games.

  • cdblue10

    You are just making me laugh,you were like other reporters and fans that say oh he’s not good enough to be a starter,he’s best fit would be 6th man of the team,I won’t pay him a starter money because he’s not consistent.Curry was been labelled as a weak player before they trade Ellis and became an elite basketball player.,he was just a back up for Ellis before they traded him.Billups was a journeyman and went to a team with nobody thinks that will win a championship trophy.Durant,Ibaka,Westbrook and the athletic OKC’s can’t even win a ring even they’re superstars.Basketball is a team game and team needs a talent thats dedicated to play together to have a chance to win a championship.Remember there’s only 1 team that will get the championship trophy and there’s no guarantee even if you play with superstars.If Lin will let this opportunity to pass to become a possible starter then he will not have a 2nd chance to do so.

  • Casual bob fan

    IMO, any 5 on 5 Basketball player of Lin’s caliber can start in most or even every current MBA team that values team wins more that letting so called superstars stat pad, show boating and risk losing more games unnecessarily. There is currently misplaced n misguided priority of most teams in placing misconstrued importance on so called analytics in evaluating the intrinsic value of 5 on 5 Professional basketballers.

  • adele

    Bravo👏🏼

  • adele

    Seriously?

  • adele

    That’s your opinion. My opinion is the same with acbc and Lin is better than Westbrook

  • sws94

    What’s with this not good enough to be a starter line? Must we?

  • cdblue10

    Why not give him a chance to start?Aren’t you convince enough that he can be a starting PG in a ceratain team?Aren’t you excited as a fan to be a starter if given a chance?

  • DrewBear2

    It’s also frankly easier to achieve the goals you list as a starter. Any debate really revolves around how much sacrifice needs to be made in order to start. Does Jeremy want to play for a team with very low chance of winning in the playoffs, much less winning a championship? Does he want to play with selfish teammates or deal with team executives he doesn’t trust? There are negatives in every conceivable situation, so which ones do you pick?

  • DrewBear2

    Might I suggest avoiding interacting with folks who consistently mischaracterize what you say? It seems to be as futile as banging your head repeatedly against a thick brick wall in order to create a doorway.

  • sws94

    That’s not the point. The point I agreed with Jamie on is 6th man is a good option B on the right team provided he gets the proper usage. It’s never a question of how good enough he is. Of course he’s good enough to start, that’s not a debate.

  • deesee5

    The thing is being on a lousy team might not help Lin too much. I’m having flashbacks of Lakers.

  • sws94

    I know, but it is really, really, really annoying. But you’re right. I need to just collapse them as there are quite a few of them here.

  • cdblue10

    LOL.Yes mod!!!!LMAO!!!!

  • cdblue10

    You posted your opinions and you will expect to get the opinions of others whether it’s a negative or a positive answers.Otherwise you can just keep your opinion to yourself.

  • sws94

    Exactly. So, look at the starting options carefully and weigh it along with other factors that matter. It’s a tough choice.

  • cdblue10

    Collapsed them?aren’t you banned here before and we just asked the moderator to let you post again.

  • cdblue10

    Absolutely!

  • DrewBear2

    Yes, it is extremely annoying, but do you get any relief by doing what you’ve been doing these past weeks?

  • Arsenium12 .

    A note from Alex Kennedy (Basketball Insiders) on the salary cap …
    ___________
    https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/740125516087316480

  • donsmacau

    Nope Lakers were not the lousy team, the lousy team was the Hornets at 33-49.

    The Lakers were a TANKING team – there’s a difference between lousy and tanking.

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy will choose to start.

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy will choose to start in order to be his best.

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy will choose to start.

  • donsmacau

    JLIN takes losing teams like the Hornets and makes them winning teams. JLIN as a starting PG gets his new “losing team” to the playoffs while KemBatum takes them back to 33-49.

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy will choose to start as a true PG.

  • cdblue10

    What do you think with other fans when you want him to be a 6th man wherein he has the chance to start?Don’t you think that also extremely ANNOYING!!!!!!!

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy is older and wiser now. He will choose to start AND not be ARTIFICIALLY held back as he was in HOU and LA.

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy will choose to start AND close games.

  • DaBoss

    Jeremy will choose to start.

  • donsmacau

    JLIN played for a team who had a “very low chance of winning in the playoffs” – Charlotte Hornets virtually picked by NOBODY to have a winning record at beginning of season let alone make or win a playoff game. OTOH, next season CHA goes back to 33-49

    So many have so little faith in JLIN despite witnessing first hand what he did.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    “And I would be open to starting SG as well.”

    Sorry, she’s not open to him starting as PG. He can only start as SG or be a 6th man/backup. That’s the best she can offer. LOL

  • DaBoss

    Not such a tough choice. Jeremy will choose to start.

  • psalm234

    Truly one of the few intelligent analysis on Lin’s chances with the Knicks.
    We have to see any effort to repair the burned bridges before considering any real chance of Knicks pursuing Lin

    Jeremy Lin, 28, Player Option:
    He’s the type of guard the Knicks need (a penetrating point guard who can wreak havoc by getting into the paint), but too many burnt bridges between Lin and the organization makes it highly unlikely Linsanity would return to MSG. (The smart money says Lin ends up across the river in Brooklyn playing for new Nets coach Kenny Atkinson).

  • DaBoss

    Tell that to the Cavs.

  • sws94

    Yep. Got you. Sometimes I think I need to say stuff for the record. But it won’t stop. It’s futile. Thankfully, you and other folks are here that get what I’m expressing.

  • freemind

    but it’s more than just the price. how are you going to utilize him? 15 mins off the bench stand at corner wait for ball? no thank you.

  • cdblue10

    I already witnessed him as a 6th man and I didn’t like what I witnessed.If you still insisted that’s the best position he can be then might as well ask the mod to start a separate discussions about him being a 6th man.

  • sws94

    Chicago Bears. Starting quarterback.

  • DaBoss

    That’s what I don’t understand. They post 6th man/off the bench option for Jeremy knowing how many of us will disagree, and they keep coming back to post the same junk over and over again. And then they’re ANNOYED when people disagree??? SMH

  • CJSHYY
  • cdblue10

    I don’t usually replied on them because it’s just a waste of time but sometimes you will just saY,”ENOUGH IS ENOUGH”

  • sws94

    News: Kevin Love is out in tonight’s game.

  • freemind

    Yep Lin will seek a starting role. During last free agency, Lin said he wants to start. I don’t see that changing. Here was what Lin said during a fan Q&A (6/20/2015) last summer in China . imo Lin tend to speak from the heart when talking to fans.

    In response to a question about what he looking for in a team :
    “When I evaluate my options for teams, one important consideration is whether I can become a starting player on the team, I believe that I am qualified starting guard and hope that I can make playoff next season and win more games”

    About what he needs to do
    “Honestly I am going to keep working hard and believing that the best is yet to come”

  • Acbc

    You answered you’re own version of what I wrote. Maybe I didn’t make it clear enough. The point I’m making isn’t about the team as much as individual goals. No one aims to be a backup, 6th man. Every kid participating in sports or any endeavour ALWAYS aims to be the best. When I used Curry, Lebron, Bolt as examples of indivual achievements that make them the pinnacle of their field, it began with the mind set yo be the best ever. It’s this mindset that we in society benefit indirectly from. It reveals to us how new frontiers aren’t found by those stuck in reality but in dreams of greatness.

    So to answer your answer, Curry is Curry only because he dreamed outside of the box and self made his unbelievable skills.

    Those that advocate Lin to accept reality miss this point. Those of us who believe he’s got the goods to be the greatest believe he has that same mindset within him, just as Curry has.

  • Brent Yen

    Good for them…

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Nah, bad for Kyrie. When the Cavs lose anyway, all the blame will be on him and rightfully so.

  • Brent Yen

    It’s ok, he is due for some criticism.

  • cdblue10

    Harsh criticism.

  • Brent Yen

    He will try to get a starting job and a good situation.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Kyrie is the Kemba of the Cavs.

  • alain gervais

    This is true but Kemba tries much harder on defense while kyrie is better at scoring

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Maybe as a SG but not PG.

  • Uh-Oh

    then stop it.
    What you guys feel is what others feel too.
    Don’t accused others when your arguments are not pervasive enough to change people’s thought.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    They are too pervasive but not persuasive at all.

  • cdblue10

    I’ll give him a little edge but both of them can’t win against Lin esp if his running the point.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    They both make their teams worse with poor defense, poor PG skills and endless chucking.

  • cdblue10

    And barely getting to the playoffs if they don’t have good players besides them.

  • Uh-Oh

    Exactly.

  • Uh-Oh

    you are right. the way to get it pervade is to repeat it many times. Definetly pervasive to affect many of us.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    These playoffs are demonstrating just how crucial the PG position is to a bb team. In the end, the Thunder lost because Westbrook doesn’t facilitate well. The Cavs are doomed because Kyrie is a disaster of a PG. The PG position is like the QB position of a football team. There is no substitute for a good one.

    And that’s why Lin will turn around the Nets immediately. The Nets were bad because their starting PG was Jarrett Jack. And when he got injured, they basically had no PG at all. Adding Lin will be like adding Steve Nash in his prime.

  • martan267

    I agree with @donsmacau. JLin makes losing teams winners. He’s proven it several times. And he’s done it as a starter and even from the bench. He knows how to win. He inspires his team to win, even if they are a bunch of non-all stars and average players. A few of examples below:

    1) Exhibit A: JLin sparked the losing Knicks that were spiraling downward with a record of 2 W and 11 L towards a Linsanity season. The Knicks ended with a W-L record of 36-30 and in the playoffs. Losers into winners.

    2) Exhibit B: Hornets were written off at the beginning of the season by game bettors. Here is a quote from one of those betting experts:
    “The Hornets are not admired by anyone at the betting window and this could include fans that reside in Charlotte. With preseason injuries and a gloomy outlook this team could be in big trouble. The Eastern Conference odds show that the Hornets are longshots to win the weakened east with their odds posted at (+10000). The odds to win an NBA title are equally gruesome as the Hornets are at (+25000) to pull off the impossible. The NBA regular season win totals show that the Hornets should win approximately 29 wins this season, which could be a stretch with the way this team looks.”

    Guess those bettors lost a ton of money for betting against JLin’s team who “pulled off the impossible” and blew away the prediction of only 29 W. Blew that away and a playoff showing to boot!

    Losers into winners.

    3) The Cav game or the Spurs game- no win without Lin. Losers into winners.

    4) Games 3-5 in the Playoffs. No win without Lin. Losers into winners.

    Are we getting the theme here yet? Time and time again JLin has PULLED OFF THE IMPOSSIBLE and taken LOSERS INTO WINNERS whether it’s within a game, a series or a season.

    JLIN should start for ANY team, and if given the keys to run that team, can lead them to WIN. Doesn’t matter what they were BL (Before Lin) Losing, neutral or winning. JLin makes losers into winners.

  • takeme2cruz

    Lin is one of if not the only whom Curry needs screening to free himself.

  • Uh-Oh

    GOOD SUGGESTION.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Kemba is little bit too small to be an effective defender. And when his shots are not falling he sulks and stops trying so hard on defense. Kemba as starting PG cannot take a team very far.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    And actually the Spurs also lost for lack of an effective PG. TP can’t get it done anymore.

  • 22cents

    Here begs the question. If we can see this picture, why can’t they (the FO) see the picture?

    Why Lin was (or has been) demoted so hard?

  • Brent Yen

    Because of the #AsianDiscount? Maybe? lol

  • 7Jeremiah17

    Two part answer:

    1) Lin is marginalized because he’s Asian, a Harvard grad. and a devout Christian. Plus Linsanity focused too much attention on him. All of these things brought him jealousy and contempt. Many players and most sportswriters want to “put him in his place.”

    2) The NBA in general believes that star players are more important for making money than winning is. And they think the two should go together. They look at guys like Kemba and Kyrie, see 20 points per game and think, how can that be bad?

    I’m convinced that the average Lin fan knows more about winning bb than the so-called experts.

  • Rick Johnson

    Maybe having the Golden State Warriors and Spurs keep beating all these teams will prompt them to shift to more team ball. Iso-heavy hero ball teams like the Rockets and Knicks are getting creamed.

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I think big market cities are not interested in a winning team without a superstar. They want a MJ, Kobe, Lebron, or Curry. That’s how they make big money. Superstars fill opposing arenas. They have huge fan bases overseas. Everyone knows that the Spurs win with team-ball, but they don’t generate enough excitement or $.

    That doesn’t mean it’s hopeless though. There are teams that just want to win. Besides the Spurs, I think the Nets just want to start winning now at all costs. So Lin has to choose his team accordingly. Last year Lin fell into Clifford’s trap. Cliff just wanted a good backup and insurance for Kemba. Lin didn’t realize that for the Hornets, Kemba is the FoF and needs to seem like at star at all costs. There was no way Hornets would let Lin shine too bright.

  • DrewBear2

    We agree about individual goals. Of course Jeremy does not “aim to be a backup, 6th man”. His goal, as it should be, is “to be the best player I can be.”.

    But that was not your original question and not what I addressed. You asked “What is winning?” From the last sentence in your original post (dethrone the GSW), I assumed you meant a championship and not just winning 40+ games in the regular season. If that is the ultimate goal (many sub-goals towards that), then it’s possible that being a starter is secondary to achieving that main goal.

    As to your last two paragraphs, maybe you were mistaking my comments for someone else’s. I said nothing about Curry and never advocated for “Lin to accept reality”.

  • Rick Johnson

    Spurs would generate a lot of interest and international following if Lin goes there.

  • DrewBear2

    “JLin makes losing teams winners” always comes with conditions. “The coach needs to let him play his game.” “His teammates need to trust him.” Consider all the vitriol shoveled on Clifford for not playing Jeremy enough in the playoffs or Kemba & Nic for not deferring to Lin.

    I totally agree that Jeremy can make a significant contribution to any team, but he is still just one player and other players must also contribute for the team to win consistently. So I give him plenty of credit for helping the Hornets achieve success this season. But I also give some of the credit to players like Kemba, Nic & Marvin, who had career-best seasons. Even Jeremy heaps credit on them where many here only give them blame.

    You give excellent examples of times Jeremy contributed significantly to success. I’ve brought up the same examples myself in other discussions. But there are also examples where his contributions did not lead to success. The 11-game stretch of Linsanity was followed by an 11-game stretch that included six straight losses and, not long after, D’Antoni “resigning”. The Hornets ultimately lost the series to the Heat even with Lin.

    Yes, I know that it wasn’t Jeremy’s fault. It was this coach or that player who lost the game or series. THAT is the point. It still takes collaboration with and cooperation from many different people for Jeremy to help turn a losing team into a winning one.

    No single player can be inserted to a losing situation and turn a team into champions. LeBron can’t do it and he’s surrounded by other good players. Wilt, Jordan & Kobe couldn’t do it alone. Take Steph and put him with the Nets and I’ll bet he can’t turn them into champions without other significant contributions.

    Does Jeremy want to start? Yes. Do I want him to start? Yes.

    Does Jeremy want to start next to Melo (who doesn’t trust him) and coached by someone who won’t give him “the keys to run that team”? I don’t know the answer to that, but I’d rather not see him put in that situation. Would Jeremy rather play backup to Tony Parker and trust a coach with a proven track record on a team with an excellent chance to win a championship next season? I don’t know the answer to that either, but I’d be much more excited to watch him play in that environment.

  • Rick Johnson

    Rockets have the “inside track” for Jeremy Lin
    http://www.thedreamshake.com/2016/6/8/11885624/rockets-have-the-inside-track-for-jeremy-lin

    “There’s no hard feelings between Lin and Harden. It simply wasn’t a good fit with Kevin McHale as coach… D’Antoni can convince Lin that under his system, both of them can get everything that they want.”

    “There have also been some recent rumors that Dwight Howard may actually decide to opt-in to his player option for the upcoming season. And while this would be a huge shocker (myself included), apparently Howard’s asking price of $30 million per season is scaring off a lot of teams, and the $23 million he is slated to earn next year in Houston if he stays just may represent his best-paying option.”

    Will we actually see Howard / Lin PnR?

  • sws94

    Great post. That’s the thing with Linsanity. Lin’s record was around .500 with the D’Antoni Knicks in games he played a significant role in. I remember the losing part of it just as much as the winning and how deflating it was. A magical run, a disappointing collapse.

    It’s natural for posters to vary on what team, players, coaches they’d like to see Lin with. I think we’d all love to see him play his game, dream big, believe in himself, work hard. If given the chance, he’ll help elevate players and make them better. There are conditions that make that more possible in some cases than others.

  • DrewBear2

    I completely agree with your first point. The Christianity he practices is especially foreign to the general NBA players’ culture and probably gives him more grief than anyone is willing to reveal.

    “I’m convinced that the average Lin fan knows more about winning bb than the so-called experts.”

    Such hubris. 🙂

  • Rick James

    lol, its funny they think it will happen. some of them even think lin will be good as a backup….yeah no way in h*** will it happen on the rockets. Lin should forget everything and just go for the cash, that way no one can blame him for his choice.

  • DrewBear2

    “it’s also rumored that he’d already turned down an offer from Charlotte to rework his contract and salary to $5.6 million for the upcoming season”

    That’s a new one. Is that even legally possible under the bi-annual exception contract? Rumor on top of rumor with no mention of any sources.

  • donsmacau

    If you want to know the truth, “conditions” in the context of JLIN excelling with designated superstars is simply an excuse to surpress JLIN’s talents; to allow the star to shine and hopefully receive credit for a win (oftentimes it just turns into a loss).

    But be-that-as-it-may. Let’s examine your “conditions”

    a) JLIN’s “game” is inherently one of teamplay, breakdown defenses and set up easy shots for teammates and delivering WINs – most teams would want that type of player to “play his game”. Few players are asked to be defensive stoppers or corner spacing decoys – when their enormous talent lies elsewhere.

    b) “Teammates need to trust him.” With the occasional exception of ball-hogs, JLIN’s teammates trust him because he inspires team play at both ends and WINS; nobody needs to force teammates to trust JLIN.

    I say this all the time but it doesn’t ever sink in with Hornets fans, “JLIN as a playmaker, involves his teammates on offense which is why they play harder for him on defense; this leads to TEAM WINs”. Teammates want to collaborate, they want to cooperate because JLIN lets them participate. Nobody every needs to be FORCED to collaborate with JLIN. A ball-hog, gets NO Collaboration or Cooperation because their brand of iso-heroballing demotivates teammates.

    Perhaps you’d like to expand on your “conditions” because the 2 you cite don’t hold water and again are excuses to keep JLIN content sitting on the bench while “stars” with less talent lose to elite teams or beat up on bad teams.

    Does JLIN receive enough credit from Hornets fans for the 6 biggest wins of the year? Well fact is MKG was a critical part of the 23 losses to Lebron, he coincidentally beat Lebron when JLIN led playmaking. Marv was a critical part of never beating the Spurs, he coincidentally beat Spurs when JLIN led …etc … you Hornet’s fans won’t admit ever that JLIN was the critical lynchpin and far & away the majority reason for every single big win Hornets had all season. Ironically, JLIN was the ONLY player that showed up and did not pull a disappearing act on all those wins.

    HORNETS team was a losing team 33-49, any way you slice it they were not supposed to win. JLIN was responsible analytically for at least 11 games and 3 more in playoffs – subtract those and you witness what is going to happen in CHA next season.

    JLIN has a window of opportunity to regain his starting role in the NBA – and he will take it. Just as he did with a loser CHA he will do for his next losing team.

  • donsmacau

    One notion I find comical is the idea that Team fans e.g. Hornets fans at the beginning of the season thought that JLIN fans were totally deluded when they said JLIN was a starting caliber PG as good as or better than Kemba.

    By the end of the season, many of those die-hard Horndogs were scratching their heads and thinking “could those JLIN fans have been right all along? JLIN actually is as good as they say he was”.

  • Lin Dunn

    I hope Lin stays far away from Rockets. If you scroll down and read the fans comments, they don’t mind Lin returning as backup PG or as rotational PG with PB.

  • donsmacau

    Selective memory on history: Woodson and CARMELO ANTHONY happened on Linsanity – tell the whole story.

    When D’Antoni and JLIN were still in charge JLIN averaged 24.6 points and 9.2 assists, shooting 49.7% from the field.

  • Rick Johnson

    Hate Houston fans. Act like they are so entitled.

  • HVJoy

    “Howard and D’Antoni are practically arch-nemeses”?

    How about “Lin and Morey are practically arch-nemeses”!

    Once there was in Houston the vicious team of M&M that brought so much misery to Lin (and his devoted fans). The awful history still lingers in our collective memory. The “dreamshake” cannot white-wash the history of M&M’s joint act and conveniently lay all blame on McHale alone!

  • takeme2cruz

    There are people want Lin to be a backup in every forum.

  • takeme2cruz

    Only the Hornets can talk contract with him anytime before the official opt out.

  • sws94

    This isn’t a discussion on Lin’s stats. It’s the record. 11-9. D’Antoni resigned Mar 15, 2012.

  • takeme2cruz

    This is the last chance for them 2 to reunite.

  • sws94

    2nd part.

  • donsmacau

    Put whatever constraints you wish to around your discussion of Linsanity, I don’t follow your constraints.

    The numbers JLIN delivered as a 23yo under Linsanity were All-star level and Linsanity was special for many of JLIN’s true fans.

    By the time Woodson was hired as interim HC, Carmelo has already begun sabotaging LInsanity.

  • freemind

    Hou has a professional blabbermouth? Just the recent MDA and now this? someone trying to hullabaloo.

  • Spot

    Lin is almost a lock to Houston.

    Lin and Harden could work brilliantly IF Harden wants. They can share point guard duties cause they both can play off ball.

    Howard is a big piece too. He must stay.

  • Brent Yen

    That deamshake is just dreaming..

  • Uh-Oh

    Bravo! Bravo!

  • heart

    Their parting gift to Lin before he even left the team was Melo’s picture wearing Lin’s number 7 jersey plastered on their wall. Never forget that!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    This could be the reason that D12 stays in Houston for a breakout season to land his last and biggest contract contract for the futurel Harden only has 2 years left and he would love to have breakout seasons for his next contract too. This wouldn’t be possible if his teams keeps on having dismal seasons.

  • sws94

    Then by your own admission, Lin has to have collaboration to help turn teams around. I agree Anthony sabotaged the team. So this confirms DeBear point that conditions have to be met for LIn to help turn around the team. You made his point.

    He wrote: “JLin makes losing teams winners” always comes with conditions. “The coach needs to let him play his game.” “His teammates need to trust him.”

    Seems Anthony didn’t trust him. And even with the coach letting him play his game, a rogue element came in and the team went on a losing streak.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    As long as Lin becomes the best and most durable and healthy PG available, he would land the biggest contract in his career to anchor his starting role for a team.

  • HVJoy

    Never! That was GM Morey’s final scheme, completely disrespectful of Lin. I don’t think he ever apologized to Lin for the “jerseygate”.

  • donsmacau

    Point out a similar rogue element on the Nets, Sixers … – not every team will have a prima-donna ballhog despite what the detractors would have you believe.

  • donsmacau

    Brent, curious question that I’ve had for a while now on this site.

    It appears whenever yourself or wu kong, maknusia, JLin fan from Australia, and psalm234 are online, there is more of a free flowing moderation which is greatly appreciated. You allow certain give-and-take on the posts/comments.

    However, when other MODs which I did not list – encounter those exact same posts/comments – there appears to be quite liberal deletions of posts which evidently passed muster with the MODS who I listed by name above but not with these other MODs.

    Am I just hallucinating? If I’m being overly sensitive, then my apologies, but it’s just something I’ve noticed on this site recently.

  • zxcvb

    Houston is out of the question until Morey is fired. That would be a sign that Les is truly serious about breaking free of past mistreatment. Until then, Lin has his greatest hater working against him 24/7.

    That said, I am all for these Houston rumors because it’ll get Lin paid by the Nets (and whoever else offers).

  • grover chang

    At least Hornet fans are open minded. Did not matter how much Lin produced for the Rockets, they still see him as a backup.

  • donsmacau

    The idea that Morey truly wishes MDA to succeed is fanciful at best.

    Morey begged Les to interview 13 candidates so as to avoid MDA. Despite appearances, Morey will not lift a finger to help MDA succeed and is already planning the way he will have MDA fired.

    JLIN cannot go to Houston as long as Morey is GM.

  • zxcvb

    Although McFired was a dummy who has no business coaching, he wasn’t a bad guy. Just a brainless pawn of Morey…who eventually fired him. Morey is a real scumbag. So glad to see Les neuter him like a dog by rejecting his coaching candidates and hiring MDA.

    I don’t think Morey was even allows to speak unless spoken to at the press conference.

  • zxcvb

    Morey is a lameduck GM, but I think they want to save face by waiting one more season (or at least until MDA struggles midseason). This is Philly all over again except it’s Morey instead of Hinkie who’s been neutered of his power.

  • donsmacau

    No more than a handful of Hornets fans could conceive of JLIN becoming starter.over Kemba the face of the franchise.

    Hornets fans want JLIN as a backup, even though they know he is a better point guard than Kemba – What is worse? knowing a guy is better and putting him in backup role? or believing the guy is only good to be a backup?

  • freemind

    I don’t understand why Lin faith practices is foreign or should even be a question. There are many Christians in the NBA too. lt’s an established ritual that all NBA teams hold chapel service one hour before every game where players from both teams come together to attend.

  • freemind

    Don’t think Lin and Harden ever had any issue between them. I was just re-listening to his last summer fan Q&A . He was asked – Who do you enjoy playing with- Kobe or Harden? Lin : “I learn from each of these players. I feel they have helped me a lot. Well from a basketball perspective, my basketball style is most similar to James Harden. From him I am able to learn a lot because he likes to play pick n roll and I enjoyed pick n roll too. Also, he has a huge beard and I am inspired by his beard ” Lin ended that beard comment with a very cheeky grin!

    I prefer he not return to Roxs but if Lin see the potential of him in this team going far in playoff and head towards that direction, I will say a prayer for FO not to meddle with coaching, Lin gets plenty play time to play his style of bb and a big fat contract. .

  • Michael

    Same reason why most of us can see 29 and the FO sees 70.

  • kauaiblue

    Thats hilarious (about the beard (! He is a PR genius! No rox, jeremy!

  • kauaiblue

    No rox… that train sailed off long ago…

  • freemind

    Indeed he is the PR Guru. A loud applause broke out when he said he enjoyed playing with Harden. 😉

  • kauaiblue

    He said that? Hes just toying with their minds… lol

  • kauaiblue

    No rox, jeremy!

  • 7Jeremiah17

    I strongly disagree regarding McHale. He hated having Lin on his team and it showed. If Lin made a mistake McHale would get pissed and bench Lin immediately. If Lin had a great game McHale showed no emotion and would avoid mentioning Lin in the post game presser. He said things like Lin is not that guy from Linsanity. He has to stop trying to hit home runs, he’s a singles hitter. And anyway he scored a lot during Linsanity but would have 9 turnovers and lose the game. Even after Lin was gone and playing for the Lakers, McHale made the comment that sometimes Lin plays for the other team. Right after he left Houston Lin said that there are some coaches that you really like playing for. Then he gave D’Antoni as an example. Lin never gave details but it’s clear that McHale made his life as a Rocket miserable.

  • BobbyH

    I am ok if Rox offers Lin more than Harden. As most posters here suggest, more $, more respect, more PT, more roles.

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO, for Lin case particularly n general for any other unique 5 on 5 basketballers of Lin’s caliber starting is not just important but crucial to deliver a team win and in the winning process cultivate better team culture n chemistry. Of course better team culture n chemistry can only be attained without divas and egocentric prima donna in such a team.

  • Casual bb team

    IMO, considering Lin’s unique 5 on 5 basketball game he will be the common denominator of the best five players in any of the current MBA teams and in any matchup with any other MBA team. With this unique talent of his, he should start on any team.

  • Casual bb fan

    Good retort. A good n well managed team of 5 on 5 basketball game will have more wins and better placed to win it all than any so called superstars led teams.

  • Casual bb fan

    Haha, your ‘prophecy’ may come through though. With his unique skill sets mental n physicals, Lin may succeed in American football where MJ failed in baseball.

  • Casual bb fan

    I meant his “Mental approach and physical attributes “

  • real-dsb

    let them dream on =)

  • spiderman

    Les would do better in hiring a new GM. Until then, he’s just as culpable

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO, Harden will never be a good fit for a unique 5 on 5 basketball player like Lin. Basketball fans may recall the photoshoot with Harden when Lin was dribbling the ball while counting the shot clock down. That was the moment I reckoned Harden was not happy with Lin and decided not to cooperate with him. This is one on the many character flaws in Harden from preventing him to be a team player let alone taking leadership and responsibility.

  • Jamie

    its not just up to him

  • Jamie

    They have both. No need to tell them either

  • Jamie

    he makes his own decision

  • Jamie

    That’s the general opinion and a pretty obvious one.
    Westbrook is one of the best players

  • Jamie

    This is a players league. Players have more power than coach
    It’s always been this way. This is not college basketball where only winning matters

  • Jamie

    He needs to be trusted as one of the main guys by the front office thats more important than starting

  • Jamie

    Exactly. You need talent to go deep but like the Hawks last season, they didnt have a super star so they couldnt have beat the Cavs. If there were in the west they’d have been eliminated sooner. Lin will improve any team but he’s not gonna lead a bunch of scrubs to winning the ship

  • Casual bb fan

    A unique 5 on 5 basketballers like Lin will never work well with egocentric divas what more a ballhog with no sence of shot clock management.

  • Jamie

    Steph Curry, Klay was really good and Iggy was famous Lee was a star too

  • real-dsb

    wow, the Knicks are so desperate, they worked out Royce White! In case you don’t remember, he was drafted by the Rockets 16th overall despite an anxiety disorder and a fear of flying. Things turned out disastrous as Royce repeatedly refused to report to practices due to the NBA’s “unsafe environment and lack of mental health protocol.” He was out of the league after the first year since 2013.

    https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/740517600631783425

  • Jamie

    and you did?
    besides they were pretty good from the get go and Lee was a star
    Bogut and Iggy were considered good players too
    People predicted them making the play offs last season but not winning a ship but they did because injuries happened to their opponents
    Cavs were without their 2 superstars

    People do watch a lot of basketball and make prediction based off of that
    Thats why the Warriros and Pistons were a surprise but doesnt happen a lot.

  • Acbc

    Which is why I said I should have made it clearer. My intent was to ask what is winning on a personal level. As a coach, I’ve never taught about external values of winning. By far the most difficult task any athlete must measure against is himself each and everyday. To win against yourself is the one opponent you can never rest.

    This is why I have problems with people suggesting Lin should aim for anything less than the very best marker out there.

  • MorlockO

    purposely trying to sabotage the season for picks? and hopeful that Carmelo would demand to be traded?

  • Casual bb fan

    Haha. A sort of “Lateral thinking” to create situations for a solution! however weird it may be the outcome?

  • Casual bb fan

    Or adding Jason Kidds in his prime!

  • Casual bb fan

    Lin is a trial blazer very much like Curry is a trial blazer on how points should be scored in a team setting. Lin specialty is how to win with any NBA team with no divas against any team with so-called egocentric superstars.

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO no. Lin needs to start on any NBA team to help the team win more games and push the needle/ over the hump sort of thing to win championships.

  • psalm234

    Wait, how did MasterHerald report the Hornets already made a new offer of $5.6M for next season and JLin declined it?
    It was referred in the Dreamshake article below. I don’t remember any other publication reporting such offer.

    Recognizing the need to keep Jeremy Lin on its roster, the Hornets actually offered him a salary of $5.6 million for next season. But the team can no longer increase it because Charlotte would already be operating over-the-cap since it will also be dealing with other key free agents on its roster including Nic Batum, Marvin Williams, Al Jefferson, and Courtney Lee.

    http://masterherald.com/jeremy-lin-opts-to-become-an-unrestricted-free-agent-this-coming-summer/40987/

  • JLin fan from Australia

    Read this this morning and wondered what was going on. Anyone knows????

  • takeme2cruz

    If true, another example Lin is a classy guy. He kept this in private.

  • takeme2cruz

    Second thought, I don’t trust that report at all.

  • real-dsb

    huh? Don’t know what to believe in this day and age of twitter news.

  • CaliUSMC

    The dude can’t even ride on a plane..

  • asual bb fan

    IMO I won’t be surprised a impactful 5 on 5 basketballer like Linill be leading the current Hawks team in competing for the championship against GSW now.

  • psalm234

    MasterHerald usually doesn’t have the first leak so I wonder what happened
    It might not be true then

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t believe this news.

  • psalm234

    And it wasn’t referring any leak or tweet so that was surprising

  • real-dsb

    There’s no way that could be true if it was not from a source elsewhere. Master Herald is like an online news blog run out of Oman. So likely the author is a Jeremy Lin fan who follows Lin news on the internet. He’s not going to have any real inside sources.

  • Casual bb fan

    Lin’s fan? Sounded more like any Linsanity doubters. Ssmh….Haha.

  • real-dsb

    My guess is that it (like many other repeated news) was a misinterpretation of some other article that the author read. For example, maybe they read an article talking about hypothetical examples that Hornets could fit under salary cap, but they misunderstood that the Hornets actually offered it.

    Same as when all the news repeated that Lin declined the option, when actually he just intends to.

  • DrewBear2

    How can the Hornets “already be operating over-the-cap” when the cap for next season has not been set? They also don’t know IF, much less how much, they’ll be paying Nic, Marvin, etc. Sounds like total fiction to me.

  • real-dsb

    You’re talking about the Dreamshake article, right? The Master Herald author is most likely a Lin fan:
    http://masterherald.com/author/shiva-mehrani/

  • Casual bb fan

    No. I am refering to the blog. Generally speaking a Lin’s fan habouring misconceptions and pessimism of Lin’s 5 on 5 basketballing ability and his worth/value can be leaning towards doubting Lin and be reminded to be more confident in Linsanity .

  • PPP

    whether the team will be operated above-the-cap is based on this season’s salary against this season’s cap to determine what kind of exceptions are eligible, I may be wrong though.

    If they sign Lin using cap space, they will lose their mid-level exception.

  • Casual bb fan

    If the offer is true, Hornets as a team does not deserve having a player of Lin’s caliber.

  • PPP

    The 5.6m seems to be the Mid-Level Exception amount that they can offer Lin unless they don’t re-sign Batum and renounce his cap hold. Its up to Lin himself. Not his fans.

  • takeme2cruz

    and Lin didn’t get paid $9 mil from the Lakers, it’s $15 mil. This reporter was wrong or lazy.

  • alain gervais

    This maybe dream shake trying to lower lins price. saying he was offered 5 million. It also is the most Hornets can offer while being under the cap so its 50/50

  • CJSHYY

    I agree about tried to lower Lin’s value… Just like NYK article about Lin’s D issue….

  • alain gervais

    Yup. Negotiations have started. Lins team wants 12-14. Maybe 10 if your real good and he gets to start.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin will get 12-15M. Even Lee asks for 11-14M next season.

  • DrewBear2

    But this site says Hawes has the MLE: http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CHO.html
    Do they get another one next year?

  • alain gervais

    I hope Lin and lee meet up on a team. 3 and d plane like a better shump

  • alain gervais

    Its fake reporting just a negotiation piece to lower Lins asking price

  • Casual bb fan

    Lin already give a massive discounts to help Hornets play the right way albeit with much resistance from certain members of the team and over achieved NBA pundits misinformed and self misconstrued predictions as far as any Lin teams are concerned. Heck, if Lin’s unique game is utilised better Hornets could very well have a better report card to show fans. Hornet FO ought to be smart to realise that Lin should be their top priority this off season.

  • PPP

    Thought Hawes was traded from the Clippers, not signed as free agent?

  • james brown

    i don’t see Lee a shump because he doesn’t have good recognition just like shump of NYK..the best Lee can get is around 7 to 9M if he will test the FA this season…just my opinion.

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO any 5 on 5 basketballer of Lin’s caliber deserved a max and will get one from any NBA team. Anyways, in Lin’s case being a team player will will take an appropriate discount like what Duncan did to help his team build a competitive contender.

  • PPP

    And, I believe as long as you are operated above the cap and under the tax apron, you are entitled the exception every year. Unlike the bi-annual exception which is only for once every 2 years.

  • james brown

    precisely as JLIN himself had said..one’s player value can be gauge on how the team pays him

  • your son’s legendary voltaire

    i dont know but we’re dealing with shady teams here. stay away from both teams Lin!!

  • james brown

    that can also be seen as justification for their actions..LOL!

  • psalm234

    I guess it’s very possible.

    In this news recycle business, misunderstanding can easily happen

  • Acbc

    Says everything we needed to hear when Lee is ahead of Lin on their depth charts. Lol. Lin will come back and make mince meat of them all.

  • Briiick

    Cavs got no Love tonight and yet blew out GSW.

  • Casual bb fan

    Probably the case of cut n paste from different sources and in the process became distorted news for fans in general, haha.

  • CJSHYY

    I know. They seemed to play a lot better… Just got this tweet.

    https://twitter.com/soIoucity/status/740747237718790146

  • Casual bb fan

    Maybe GSW decided to call it a day after the Cavs were getting home court calls and all is fine to make it a series for the general basketball fans entertainment! haha.

  • zxcvb

    Cavs were due (esp. at home). Warriors were off. GSW can be beaten but not by Cleveland. GSW in 6.

  • HVJoy

    Even Lamb is paid $7M per year this year, the 5.6M figure, if true, is an insultingly low offer for Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Hornets really likes Lin but they know Lin will not stay…. if Lin wants to stay they will give him good contract for sure. I don’t believe this news at all.

  • JoeTeam

    At least some drama for the series.

  • HVJoy

    You are probably right – it’s not a delicious sauce. 🙂

  • Casual bb fan

    Anyways, need to give some credit where it’s due to the shooters on Cavs for hitting 3s .

  • Maknusia

    I didnt watch the game….did it looked rigged or Cavs played much better?

  • DaBoss

    Yes. And he will choose to start.

  • DaBoss

    It’s very much up to him.

  • DaBoss

    Well I guess someone must’ve told the Cavs. They finally showed up. Too bad they won’t win the series though.

  • real-dsb

    “Cavs got no Love tonight *that’s why they* blew out GSW.”

    FTFY 😉

  • JLin fan from Australia
  • real-dsb

    Not a big deal. GSW has been blown out of road games. Their style results in a lot of variance, usually in their favor, but sometimes the other way.

    There’s only been 1 sweep in the last 13 NBA Finals.

  • real-dsb

    glad to see Jeremy happy and recharging!

  • real-dsb

    interesting logo on the hat though… o_O

  • Jamie

    not a chance
    GSW have more stars and talents get more calls

  • Jamie

    he can’t control what the coach and GM think of him

  • DaBoss

    He controls the final decision as to where he chooses to play. Smh

  • Jamie

    He wants to but that’s not all

  • Jamie

    Need more than their current team nobody can stop Bron

  • Jamie

    If he’s not trusted, he wont even start or play meaningful minutes so yah he needs to be trusted first before he can even be effective

  • DaBoss

    it pretty much is

  • Jamie

    He’s a trial blazer for asians who are not freaks of nature like Yao but he hasn’t won anything yet
    He had a good run with the knicks and had some wins against good teams but those alone cant make him a specialist in winning LOL

  • DaBoss

    Warriors are just flat out a better team

  • Jamie

    Refs wanted to help GSW as usual but they couldn’t hit their shots

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO Lin doesn’t represent Asians and not a trial blazer for Asians anyways. He is an epitome of how a 5 on 5 basketball games should be played with no divas to win games on a consistent basis. Definitely not by having inordinate amount of superstar calls to help in winning but by the involvement of team mates in supporting each other to win a basketball game. Lol

  • Casual bb fan

    Well, Lin is a trial blazer and a well managed NBA team will eventually give him the keys to a team to set the ball rolling for a new era in real and entertaining 5 on 5 basketball NBA league ! Haha

  • DaBoss

    True. Lin is a winner like Curry. They both understand that bball is a TEAM sport and they play the right way. That’s winning basketball. Strength in numbers.

  • real-dsb

    Blame Game 3 loss on Harrison Barnes for knocking out Love.

    https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/740749891442380800

  • Casual bb fan

    IMO, Lin will be eventual play for a well managed NBA team to get his fair share of time on the court to win basketball game. A well manage team will trust the best team the court and Lin will be part of it. A player of unique talent like Lin will be part of the starting 5 of such team like current Nets and Spurs

  • casual bb fan

    Haha, didn’t a Lin led Hornets stopped Bron during the only time in Hornets history when KW failed in 23 tries. And Hawks is a very much better team than Hornets (without Lin of course)

  • Rick Johnson

    Joy Jeng ‏@Loveforlife0323 4m4 minutes ago
    @JLin7, See you at 6 am tomorrow at Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport in Taiwan! Welcome back & have a safe ✈! 🙌😄
    https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/740795494226644992

  • Rick Johnson

    tiffanywei826:Safe flight!!~ ❤️❤️❤️❤️@JLin7
    https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/740807716130689025

  • Rick Johnson
  • JLin fan from Australia
  • JLin fan from Australia
  • JLin fan from Australia

    @psalm234:disqus Please create a thread for JLin’s Taiwan tour. He and his team will arrive in Taiwan in about 12 hours.

  • deesee5

    Wrong! The Hornets team is a more talented team than the Lakers. Even if the Lakers weren’t tanking I doubt they would have even made it to the playoffs. The Hornets did and that is far from lousy.

  • Acbc

    No announcers mentioned that they were only shooting well because they’re playing at home! Only Lin gets that negative swipe. Lol

  • 7Jeremiah17

    If the reports said Hornets offered Lin $18M over three years it would be more credible. A 27 year old player like Lin is not expected to be offered one year deals. They use such an exact number, $5.6M, to make us believe their BS since extra detail adds credibility to a rumor. Sounds like yet another attempt to reduce Lin’s perceived value and would be a very insulting offer.

  • Jamie

    that happened only once
    other times they lose miserably
    its a 7 game series

  • Jamie

    Nets are not well managed lol one of the worst managed teams in the NBA
    Spurs are losing their way too

  • Jamie

    That has not happened LOL

  • freemind

    I love the cake. I went back to refresh on whose who in Teenage mutant ninja turtles and here’s the gist.

    RED mask : Raphael, the team bad boy and intensely loyal to his brothers
    BLUE mask : Leonardo tactical courageous leader bears the responsibility for his brothers.
    PURPLE mask : Donatello the genius, use knowledge to solve conflict and least violent
    ORANGE mask : Michelangelo, the free spirited goofy jokester and most comical

    I think they are seated in the same order as that shown on the cake. Notice Michelangelo has a weird looking mohawk LOL

  • Jamie

    Lol he definitely represents Asians he is the only asian in the league
    there are many ways baskeball can be played
    lin is not the epitome of that hes still 26 LOL

  • Jamie

    and liked by the league

  • Jamie

    not really

  • Jamie

    yah? the rockets promised him everthing then what happened? smh
    there are things that are out of his control

  • Acbc

    All I saw last night was Everytime Curry took.a.shot, he always gets a bump afterwards. No calls were ever made in bis favor as I can see. What game were you watching. Lol

  • Acbc

    GSW is paying the price for chasing the regular season bull’s record. Curry is clearly injured from that huge effort. He’s not himself, last night was a prime example of it. OKC may not get that chance again to take down an injured Curry.

  • Jamie

    lol obviously you are a biased warriors fan

  • sws94

    That’s the whole point. Lin can believe in himself and want things and people can put him on the team and say they’ll use him in ways that sound great and then what?

    You have to consider the prevailing attitudes of coaches/FOs about Lin because they are hiring him and he plays in their systems. He’s not doing this on his own. And it isn’t an individual sport like tennis or golf.

    Lin takes what is available that can fit him hopefully best, but he doesn’t set the terms.

  • adele

    Then it’s more effective to post your opinion in a Westbrook fan page. What’s the point in highlighting Westbrooks greatness in a Lin fan page?

  • sws94

    If they want Lin, they part with Lee for sure, and perhaps Al. That offer is unacceptable.

  • sws94

    If a player is great, like Curry, LeBron, Westbrook, anyone, you can say that on this site. There is nothing wrong with that at all unless it is all a poster talks about. A Lin fan page can appreciate other great players in his sport.

  • DaBoss

    Yah. Like we all know … Not happening again. Jeremys older and wiser. Smh

  • DaBoss

    Really.

  • DaBoss

    Ok sure whatever you say. Warriors win because they’re “liked” by the league and they have “stars”. Not because they play winning TEAM ball.

  • DaBoss

    Wearing wine colored spectacles for sure. lol

  • Uh-Oh

    Exactly. Blah~~ -_- the two really really annoying and don’t know it.

  • Uh-Oh

    Let me tell you cake like that just looks great, it doesn’t taste good at all. All artificial.
    Nothing yummy there. Only good for picture.

  • adele

    Low value for Lin. NO WAY! Goodbye hornets!

  • Uh-Oh

    Or forget to wear eyeglasses.

  • Uh-Oh

    It’s 29. 29. 29. Nothing close to 70.

  • Uh-Oh

    Yes.

  • DaBoss

    Lol

  • psalm234

    new thread
    Jeremy Lin 2016 Asia Tour Schedule
    http://www.jlinportal.com/jeremy-lin-2016-asia-tour-schedule/

    Jeremy Lin (林書豪) will visit Taiwan June 10-17 and China (June 18-25) as part of his annual Asia tour, his agency said Tuesday.

    A. Jeremy Lin Taiwan Tour (June 11-17)
    Kaohsiung – June 11-12
    Taipei – June 13-16

    He will coach at a basketball camp in Kaohsiung June 11-12
    While in Kaohsiung on June 11, Lin will also attend a Christian gathering to share his life experience.

    He will be in Taipei June 13-16, when he will take part in a series of activities, including a charity event, a seminar, a fan meet-and-greet, and two promotional events, before heading to China June 17.

    B. Jeremy Lin China Tour (June 18-25)

    Charlotte Hornets point guard Jeremy Lin will arrive in Guangzhou, China on June 18 and make multiple appearances in the country. Lin’s consistent play helped lead the Charlotte Hornets to the NBA Playoffs.

    Shenzhen – June 18
    Guangzhou – June 18-19
    Shanghai – June 20-23
    Beijing – June 24-25

  • psalm234

    got it, thanks!

  • DaBoss

    According to your logic then of course Lin will choose to be a starter, not a 6th man/ bench role option that you constantly put forth.. As 6th man/bench player he will have even LESS control and LESS say as to how he is used/minutes played. He’s smart enough to get the best terms possible.

  • adele

    I didn’t say that there’s nothing wrong with it. I said it’s more effective if you post it on the site where you glorify other players other than Lin. You are allowed to post the greatness of other players in a Lin fan site. But is it effective for Lin? What’s the point of comparing players with Lin and eventually say Lin is not good compared to this player and that player. Why in a Lin fan site? Does your comment a positive for Lin? You are in a Lin fan site it doesn’t make sense that you glorify the greatness of Westbrook. I don’t need to read that statement in a Lin fan site. I’m not a Westbrook fan nor do I think that Westbrook is better than Lin. End of story!

  • Jamie

    exactly, not many players have privileges like that

  • Jamie

    That was a reply to someone else’s comment
    I didnt start the discussion of Westbrook
    tell it to the OP.

  • Jamie

    Again, not everythng is in his control

  • Jamie

    Just playing team ball is not gonna be enough to beat the cavs
    Hawks couldn’t do it
    You need talent and calls

  • Jamie

    not

  • casual bb fan

    San Koby, Lakers is not a lousy team. The common denominators of a Lousy Teams are the egocentric divas and ball hogs.

  • casual bb fan

    Hawks need a unique player of Lin’s caliber to push the team over the hump. Haha.

  • casual bb fan

    Besides the only game that Lin led Hornets to a win over Cavs all the other games were led by KW and were loses.

  • Jamie

    Still just one win also, Cavs were not playing well that game
    The real question is, can they beat cavs in a 7 game series

  • Jamie

    Lin can only cover one position

  • casual bb fan

    Haha gotcha. That have not happened. You as a ‘Lin’s fan’ on a Lin’s Fans site should have the confidence and be more positive that a Lin led team with no divas can beat any team with divas. Haha

  • casual bb fan

    Btw Jamie, if you want to play devil’s advocate go ahead and continue to do so. Haha

  • casual bb fan

    Your kindself tend to forget that bb is a team sport with a captain and play maker on court at any one time and a competent coach on the side line to monitor the game proceedings from all angles with competent assistants etc…A Team player/play maker of Lin’s caliber will take care of the right team play with divas to mess up the team. Haha

  • casual bb fan

    The current Nets FO is getting there and Spurs is still Spurs.

  • casual bb fan

    Divas set the terms not Lin. A drafted player of Lin’s caliber wound have any NBA team scrambling to have said player to lead their team. Hopefully a well managed NBA team will have Lin this off season to start the ball rolling for a new era of on 5 team ball basketball

  • casual bb fan

    Lin can represent Taiwan and need not represent Asia. Anyways Asians are very divest groupings and Lin is Chinese American. All blacks need not represent Africa and all Whites need not represent Europe. LOL

  • Jamie

    He cannot guard Kyrie, JR and LeBron all by himself
    You tend to forget it’s 5 on 5

  • Jamie

    they are not until they get some wins next season

  • casual bb fan

    The Nets have no drafts pick until 2020 and no available assets to trade either. They need undervalued team players like Lin to get the wins one team game at a time to get there. Haha

  • casual bb fan

    You got it. Bb is a 5 on 5 team sport. A player of Lin’s caliber will get the wins consistently on divas team like Cavs. Please refer to my other posts for the egs. Haha bye for now

  • casual bb fan

    I meant with divas to mess up the OTHER TEAM. Lol

  • Jamie

    But he does represent the whole Asian community
    he has fans from all kinds of asian groups whether you like it or not

  • Jamie

    lol cavs are legit Lin needs help to beat them

  • DaBoss

    LOL

  • DaBoss

    Ok whatever you say – we’ll see who comes out on top.

  • DaBoss

    Again, he controls the final decision as to where he chooses to play. And if you’re talking about control, you just shot down your own 6th man/bench role as a “good option” argument that you continually put forth. Choosing an option where he has even LESS control than a starter? That’s not what Jeremy’s looking to do.

  • Jamie

    He can’t control what they do to him after like with the rockets and the lakers

  • Brent Yen

    Not sure, all mods here try their best to make this site a better place. Maybe there are some “discrepancy” per se….but I think all in all…it is all good…:P

  • DaBoss

    See Asia trip thread. You will then be more informed about Jeremy and free agency.