Jeremy Lin 18-Game Summary in 2015-16 Season

As we still have 2 day break before the next game vs the Bulls, let’s take a look at JLin stats in the past 18 games.

In the past 4 games (Game 15-18) after the Sac OT Win (Game 14) where Jeremy Lin became the hero, Jeremy was underutilized due to quick foul trouble, TOs, not scoring enough despite playing great defense, playmaking and efficient shooting. The last game was hard to judge due to Jeremy Lin’s sore right ankle.

The following shows the trend of JLin shooting (True Shooting%), AST% (playmaking), and USG% (Usage Rate = % of team plays used on a player while on court ; it tracks FG, FT, AST, TOV and MP for minutes played) JLin18GameLog It’s clear that in the last 4 games, JLin stats show a trend of :

  • lowest Minutes Played
  • but his TS% and AST& were quite high, indicating that he played efficiently to distribute balls and scored efficiently although.
  • His low Usage Rate was very concerning as he was not as involved in shooting, assisting in his limited minutes.

It’s clear there were some changes in the past 4 games. JLin scored efficiently and assisted well but he was not involved much in the team plays. Was it a product of:

  1.  JLin not forcing himself to score inefficiently that Coach Clifford cut his minutes short?
  2. Coach Clifford limited his role to defense and playmaking?

Whatever it might be, JLin and his fans should hope that this trend will reverse because the Hornets will need Jeremy Lin to score and be a playmaker to help them win.

Coach Clifford will need to trust Jeremy Lin to pick up more playmaking role even when Kemba or Batum are on the floor. And he should not have a short leash when JLin made mistakes because JLin has proven he can help teams to win in crunch time with his clutch scoring, defense and playmaking.

MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 19 vs CHI
  • sydpang

    first!

  • JFirst

    second! where are those demanding a new thread 🙂

  • sws94

    Usage is directly related with playing with Kemba more. In the last game he had a decent amount of assists for minutes played. Kemba may be cooling off and that may mean less playing time. As I said before, Kemba and Lin together means they have to work out chemistry where Lin is more involved. And I think a lot of that is on Kemba, Lin can do but so much and still play responsible basketball and his brand of it.

  • Hm, Jeremy moved into the starters during today’s practice?
    This could have HUGE implication

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/672838654960644096

  • wu kong
  • Good article by HoopsHabit with nice stats =)

    The #Hornets have a problem — Jeremy Lin is outplaying Kemba Walker, and coach Clifford isn’t addressing it.
    https://twitter.com/DunlapSports/status/672837851290058752

  • wu kong

    ha ha we posted it at the same time!

  • CJSHYY

    Probably for close game.

  • it’s okay.
    HUGE news deserve 2x posting =)

    It might deserve a separate thread later

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Please please please, the longer you can’t see the bias and lies of this coach, you are not in the position to make any sense trying to explain what’s going on with this team especially Lin. CLIFF IS THE COACH AND HE RUNS THE SYSTEM.

  • or helping Kemba not to get 2-16 again =)
    Let the StatInflation begin lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Called great researchers.

  • DX

    Working on contract extension?

  • CJSHYY

    After that embarrassed lose to GSW, I think they will play more Lin’s team ball vs Bulls next game.. I hope.

  • sws94

    But is this unusual? It’s interesting he’s practicing. I thought he played with both units since he was expected to get time with both. I expect the same with Lamb as well.

  • Rick Johnson

    Was he referring to Jeremy Lamb or Jeremy Lin?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lamb not Lin whom I doubt.

  • sws94

    Yes, my analysis can’t be right. I stand corrected. Kemba fully is a robot that follows Cliff’s plans not to move the ball to Lin, no other explanation is possible.

  • Rick Johnson

    Yes, I think he was referring to Lamb. Because he said in 2nd half he went to Jeremy with the starters and may see the same tomorrow. Jeremy Lamb came in with the starters in the 2nd half against the Warriors.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hope you were honest with that comment but I doubt it. However Kemba is not a robot, he’s just so free form Cliff to do play his ways, no shackles.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Alain Gervais

    If Jeremy Lamb starts its great news. Good luck with kemba

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Back court weakest defense.

  • CJSHYY

    He’s not start… just in 3Q will start to get more score for Hornets. But their D will be weak like vs GSW.

  • Rick Johnson

    Poor defense and no offense. They are going to have trouble scoring and will get eaten alive by Lowry and DeRozen

  • sws94

    Aren’t they playing the Bulls on Sat.? Lowry and DeRozen are on Toronto I think. Is that the game after the Bulls?

  • “When Walker is off the court, the Hornets as a team see a 7.6 percent increase in assist percentage (up to 62.5), they get an increase of 2.1 in assist ratio and the team’s eFG and TS percentages rise (4.4 and 4.1 percent, respectively). The team’s offensive rating jumps by 3.3 and the defensive rating improves by 7.5.”

  • Alain Gervais

    just looked at the interview. Lamb won’t start. He said same starters as last game referring to the beginning of the game.

  • Lamb stats will suffer for sure. Kemba won’t help him as much as JLin did.

    It’s clear that JLin is more a playmaker than Kemba but if they want to experiment with bad lineup, I guess it’s great to see how Lamb will be silenced playing next to Kemba

  • Alain Gervais

    He didn’t say Lamb would start

  • Rick Johnson

    Oh, you’re right. I was looking at GSW. Ya Butler going to tear up the Hornets backcourt. Lamb can’t guard Butler.

  • yes, he didn’t want to commit for starting

    But even if Lamb closes with starters, he won’t get as open look from Kemba as he would w/ Lin

    I guess we can brace ourselves for Lamb+starters lineup

  • sws94

    PJ went against Clay Thompson, one of the biggest offensive threats in the game after Curry. I don’t think he’s giving up on PJ because he couldn’t contain him. He got pulled being ineffective, but he’s staying with the same guys in the same role. Lamb may come in earlier. I think splitting Lin and Lamb is a mistake, weakens the bench.

  • wu kong

    just to piggy back off this great report… Very
    obvious JLin is a huge help to Kwalker.
    Walker’s fg%
    increases with JLin as a decoy. However
    KWalker does not provide the same decoy effect for JLin.

  • CJSHYY

    Bc Lin couldn’t get the ball.

  • wu kong

    Not sure if that is allthere is here… seems Jlin is a good for Kemba but Kemba not so good for JLin… Kemba was really struggling last year and everyone is comment on how much better he is… this seems to indicate he should be buying JLin some dinners.

  • Rick Johnson

    I would rather not JLin start with Kemba. I’ve seen from advanced stats and hoopshabits article confirms that JLin needs to play PG to be effective.

  • CJSHYY

    I feel the same way & I don’t think Lin likes it to be starting SG either bc Kemba just will not pass the ball to him. That’s not good for him.

  • sws94

    Not with someone as ball dominant. He can play off-guard well, he’s done so with Roberts in the pre-season.

  • Rick Johnson

    He doesn’t look as effective with Roberts either. At least not in getting assists and making his teammates better. Sure he will get some spot up shots and drives but team doesn’t look to flow as well

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I think w Lin on the team do give Kemba some pressure that he has to play better or he will be replaced by Lin. LOL!

  • blubell

    But during the season not so much because Roberts doesn’t play as much and when he does, he breaks up the flow. We’ve seen it couple times… didn’t work.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Not working.

  • sws94

    I know, I guess in terms of some scoring and assists. With Kemba, it’s minimal. I just don’t know how much Lin at PG we’ll see. I have a feeling Clifford likes him better off ball and not as much at PG.

  • NONONO

    About the HoopsHabit article.
    “Kemba Walker and head coach Steve Clifford have made it hard on Lin to display his skills, and now he’s right back in the spot he’s been trying to avoid.”

    I am not sure i am sad or upset. Lin needs to quit on Cliff.

  • That’s truly bizzare that Clifford doesn’t recognize JLin’s biggest strength as a PG.

    Why not make JLin to be the PG like in preseason, Brian Roberts can be the shooter/secondary PG because he’s quite good in doing so.

    I’m not sure anymore why Clifford doesn’t play to the strength of the players.

    Kemba is good in scoring, JLin is good in playmaking;
    Clifford just needs to play them both at their strength.

  • cdblue10

    Have they heard us finally

  • blubell

    Can it be both?

  • wu kong

    Kemba was on Curry all 3rd.

  • sws94

    Not sure if Cliff agrees with that point with Lin doing the playmaking on his own. He likes to have Batum with him most of the time or Kemba. If that’s the case, Batum is better. I don’t agree he should have this but maybe that’s Cliff’s mindset.

  • Acbc

    Irregardless of Clifford’s rotations or lack of minutes to Lin, the thing I find most unnerving is the manner he uses Lin. I want Lin to start but even if doesn’t start, he’s not being utilized to the max of his potentials to help the team improve.

    Like I’ve said, I’ll reserve judgement on Cliffrod as a coach until such time as he shows how he can manage Lin’s usage and not minutes. Lin’s inate ability to be “coach” Lin is why you want him to be pg on the second unit. If Lin is allow to coach them properly they will learn fundamental off ball movements that no amount of walk through cram sessions could ever teach in a year. Lin has the ability to teach his players like Pavlov’s dogs, by giving them positive reenforcemnent for their actions. They’ll intuit that process as their own and retain it much deeper and faster than any other way.

    Lin can make an incredible second unit with Lamb, Kaminsky, M Williams and Psycho T. The wins will keep rolling in no matter who they play because 2 starting units will just kill everybody. Both Khuang and I agree that this line u could easily start and win and could easily alternate roles as starter and second unit. What’s important is that guys under Lin will flow the way GSW and Spurs flow. If Clifford, CHO and MJ want to change the Hornets identity, Lin needs to be allow to help them change it.

  • sws94

    Good post. And leave that 2nd unit in tact. What I’ve disliked is Clifford breaking up the unit by adding in Kemba when the unit is going fine. Adding Batum doesn’t change the dynamic as much if he wants to substitute him in but sometimes changes Lin’s flow and adds more TO to the unit (from Batum).

  • sws94

    Yes. I was referring to opening. Clay lit up PJ for a lot of points and was pulled.

  • That’s the thing.

    It’s okay to have Batum and Kemba with JLin but make JLin the primary playmaker (40% Lin, Batum 30% and Kemba 30%)

    This whole experiment of making Batum an SG/PG is such a failure with 9TOs
    Kemba/Batum is not working either.

    I see Clifford is still going with the grand experiment of Kemba/Batum/MKG for next season.
    Lin is just an after-thought to even empower the bench not as the PG.

    If it continues, I doubt JLin would see a future when his PG playmaking is not being prioritized.
    It’s almost 25% of the season and I thought we saw improving usage up to Game 14 but the last 4 games have been very disappointing. I hope it gets better.

  • Rick Johnson

    Will take a protracted string of losses for anything to change. Since they are playing a bunch of > 500 teams I think it will happen.

  • CJSHYY

    They are the one just like Kobe & BS. smh!

  • Acbc

    Exactly, Clifford reminds me of those perfectionists that wants everything n it’s place and tries to fit everything to the scheme he wants. This is what I’ve been waiting to see or not see out of Clifford. As John Wooden said, to be a good coach is to take the skills of the players you have and mesh them together while maximizing each of their own specialness. Bad coaches go the other way around! When the do that, it’s because they don’t have the skills to understand each individual’s talents and latent talents.

    This is why I’ve always believed that good coaches are good reverse engineers. They can take a system and separate the parts to understand how and where the pieces must be utilized properly without leaking oil or power. Each engine needs to be reassembled differently because the cogs aren’t always the same.

  • sws94

    Batum is very turnover prone. While he makes nice passes sometimes, he also gives away more points too. I think the unsaid reason for Batum doing this facilitating is because Kemba doesn’t enough. With Lin, he may want to take away some pressure from Lin because Lin is trapped with defenses a lot, especially teams like Miami and Atlanta, but other teams as well.

    We may see less PG usage from Lin. That’s why I’m focusing on Lin moving more without the ball. The whole discussion I have with others is whether Lin is camping in the corner on his own or if it is by design. I think some of both.

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff knows how good Lin as PG can be otherwise he would not let Lin run O in that OT vs King… but too bad, someone don’t like it so Cliff always asked Lin to be the SG w/o the ball.

  • sws94

    Again, great points.

    He knows the game. What he says makes sense. What he does shows he’s still developing as a coach. He has a chance to get better, I think he probably communicates well with most of his players and they like playing for him. But his rotations and XOs seem to be middle coach level, not great coach level.

  • JoeTeam

    The problem with this year even against LAL and Rox is there is no clear role for Lin so his usage is spotty and we cannot tell what it should be. So, his output has to suffer.

    I can’t get emo about the FO this time, as it is not such a clear wrong agenda. Sometimes that happens, people join groups that intend to be good and things just aren’t tracked from an org behavior standpoint, so you cannot pinpoint the cause of any one player being set up to fail.

  • adele

    Hope so. But I guess the clamor have reached the media pipeline and started to buzz around. Had we been just silent about the coach misuse of Lin, and waited, then the expected results wont happen. Sometimes constant petitions from different sources with a common effort and common message, somehow it will soften up a hardened heart and will oil the deaf ears.

  • adele

    Thanks for posting. Im happy that somehow there are good writers that shares our views. This goes to show that we are not negative at all. We are concerned on Lin’s situation because we do care.

  • bolero

    true. Lin can also be a good SG only if he gets the ball more often…

  • blubell

    Exactly. Minutes mean nothing without touches. He needs quality minutes.

  • gandychan

    Please do not use the word irregardless. It is not a word. Please use regardless.

  • blubell

    Regardless of that, it is still a good post.

  • sws94

    A little on the usage police side, lol. I think it’s an intelligent post and you’re right, it’s not a word. I think it’s mixed up with irrespective but most of us make grammos. I make my share, I don’t really proofread my posts much or edit them. Just let em flow 🙂

  • Uh-Oh

    If it’s in dictionary then it is a word.

    “an erroneous word that, etymologically, means the exact opposite of what it is used to express, attested in non-standard writing from at least 1870s (e.g. “Portsmouth Times,” Portsmouth, Ohio, U.S.A., April 11, 1874: “We supported the six successful candidates for Council in the face of a strong opposition. We were led to do so because we believed every man of them would do his whole duty, irregardless of party, and the columns of this paper for one year has [sic] told what is needed.”); probably a blend of irrespective and regardless. Perhaps inspired by the double negative used as an emphatic.”

  • Rick Johnson

    Any substitution that takes JLin out of PG and primary ball handler messes up chemistry of 2nd unit. Whether putting in Kemba or Roberts or even if Batum is ball hogging.

  • Rick Johnson
  • sws94

    True, but Clifford isn’t moving in that direction. He’ll have to share with Batum in 2nd, and be 3rd facilitator with both Kemba and Batum on the floor.

  • Briiick

    KW won’t let Lamb start, who is more of a threat due to his longer contract than Lin’s.

  • sws94

    Clifford determines starters. KW is going to play with whoever Clifford puts in there. Just will Lamb get the ball as much as he does with Lin. Doubt he gets any lobs.

  • sws94

    I don’t understand this. Lin is just starting out playing with Walker. Let’s get back some perspective. LeBron and Wade, two GREAT players, had issue playing together for months. Lin plays with Walker a few weeks so we just hang up any idea that they can play together because of early stats? Lin should NEVER quit on a coach unless that coach is proven incompetent like Byron Scott is. The last thing he needs is a reputation of being hard to coach. Whatever you have to deal with, you make suggestions if you can and then try to do your best. The Kemba/Lin experiment isn’t a failure yet, and it does impact one player positively while the other negatively. It’s not the first time it has happened and it can change for the better. Or not. We’ll just have to see if it does.

  • grover chang

    Does anyone know what happened to Khuang?

  • JoeTeam

    Thanks for everyone who up votes my posts and talks with me here. I am just trying to have a great year while in idle with y’all and JLin, rooting for him to win once again. GSW joy and amazing news keeps us bball fans enthused even with all the bad news we read each day. There are studies that people react more clearly to bad news, so good news does not sell. Keep that in mind. We are all trying to understand what to avoid to avoid hurting ourselves, so that is why bad news sells. This site, psalm and Mods, are working toward something great for people in general, and yet the positive tone is not natural for people. We want to know bad news so we can react to it. Good news takes way more effort. So, think of it this way – it’s easier to run from bad than to build for the good. Happy day.

  • JoeTeam

    he’s in and out. I would guess all the good regulars are spotty because this year is v spotty by CHA and for JLin. That’s my mode anyway, I just come for a quick scan and avoid all the convos that are so up and down.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Without proper minutes good usage wouldn’t matter. You have the right to hold your judgement but what I read from your comment you have a very good knowledge of what’s going on. That’s good enough for me.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Seem like hoping to me. As far as what’s going on, Lin is not in any of those perfectionists’ scheme.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I think JLin is the only PG in the entire NBA who is not utilised as a true PG. Why?

  • wu kong

    OK fun with stats… just playing around to see who has what effect of who… caveat… Batum is playing out of position and JLin is not playing enough minutes at PG or enough minutes overall so data is skewed by that… but here it is for you enjoyment… ha ha lots of numbers here 4 charts in total refresh to see them all

  • wu kong

    chart 2 effect on Walker with Lamb Batum and Lin ON and off court

  • wu kong

    chart 1 effect on Lin with Lamb Batum and Walker ON and off court

  • wu kong

    chart 3 effect on Lamb with Walker Batum and Lin ON and off court

  • wu kong

    chart 4 effect on Batum with Lamb Walker and Lin ON and off court

  • wu kong

    hope your eyes don’t bleed!!!

  • Lin Win

    Wrong! Ty Lawson is too hahah

  • Al

    No big problem it is just a matter of juggling around. Trial and error can’t make it an exact science …….

  • Lin Win

    Lebron Jame’s was sooooo BS

  • sws94

    Lifted a part of this off of realGM;

    These are the players who have assisted Lamb the most after 18 games:
    Hawes 15
    Lin 12
    Kaminsky 5
    Williams 4
    Batum 4
    Walker 3
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/event_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=lambje01&event_code=fg&year_id=2016&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&quarter=&time_remain_quarter=&margin=&score=

  • Lin Win

    RUMOR: Lakers Willing To Trade Young Core For Established Stars

    “The Lakers would trade three of them. They’d like to keep Julius Randle. They’d move the other three to rebuild it with multiple free agents and Randle’s the only one they really truly believe is ready very quickly to be on a really good NBA team.”

    Fakers just went full R*****!

    Told you guys NBA is a business. They’ll tell you one thing and do the other. I’m pretty sure Nick Young and D Bust will be the first to go if Byron is still in business.

  • sws94

    They are so stupid. Fire Byron. Get a competent coach that can develop the young talent. They aren’t bad players, just need direction.

  • Lin Win

    Faker’s revenue are fueled by the superstar system. They rather have a Kevin Durant and go 0-82 then with a bunch of no names and make it into the playoffs.

  • sws94

    Quite possible. But they are going close to 0-82 whichever way with their horrible coach.

  • LinMad

    Best post I’ve read on hoopshabit

    spark spark • an hour ago

    You can…as they say…make stats say anything. But when you are not looking for them to say anything in particular, but you see discrepancies that jump out at you…you have to take note. The fact is, every time Lin has had a roll on the floor this year, he has been immediately dialed back the next game, and series of games by Clifford. Preseason…that doesn’t count people say…so obviously PJ Harriston is named the starter for reasons that only Clifford can make sense of. Then Lin getting off to a rather modest start plays 25+ minutes a game, finishing 4th quarters. Suddenly Lin catches fire two games in a row shooting 6-11fgs and 7-11fgs leading the team in scoring one game…very next game minutes cut to about 17mins a game for the next several games. Lin’s next explosion is a overtime dagger, 8 points of the 15 points in over time win. Very next game Lin back under 20mins a game, culminating in a 13 minute and change stint against Golden State, where Kimba Walker was not only having a terrible night on Offense, but got torched for 28pts by Curry in the 3rd quarter. At what point, as a coach do you save your “star” from embarrassment and switch Lin on him for the abuse, or maybe Lin bothers him some and slows him down. Yet Clifford, despite Lin’s noted and remarked defensive improvement this year, saw no game time on Curry at all. What is up with that? Kimba is now the guy Curry torched for a 28pt quarter. He’ll catch grief on that for a long time. What coach allows that to happen to his star? Really? I only wish the article would have dealt with Batum also in regards to Lin. His looks for Lin, as a playmaker, designated by Clifford, has shown no ability to find Lin in the CORNER 3 where Lin is shooting 50% from for the season. So what is that about? That’s on Clifford and Batum. How many games has Batum had this year where he has 6-15 or worse type numbers? I’d bet without looking them up at least 6. And let’s be clear, far worse games than 6-15 is what I’m talking about. Lin playing with people he gets very little floor time with has put up superior numbers, which he then has gotten, it appears, punished for. As a basketball, that is all I can infer from what I’ve seen. It makes no sense basketball wise. With Lamb’s emergence, I can see where Lin would get less time at the shooting guard. But as a rotation at the point, and shooting guard, with someone moving to the small forward spot that PJ so far has been all but a complete bust at, and really just a court time eater for real producers, there is no way Lin should be getting under 25 minutes a game. When his PER was top 7 in the league, Clifford started cutting his minutes. He’s done everything possible to bring down his scoring average. These are just facts. You don’t have to be a fan of Jeremy Lin to notice this. Just a basketball fan. Lin was brought in to run the 2nd unit? When is that actually going to happen?

  • LinMad

    Hahha, Nick Young calls Kobe a circus and this is what happens

  • LinMad

    Hornets FO/Coaches better do something soon or they will just bring more negative attention to their franchise. What we’re currently seeing on sportige/hoopshabit and ATH comments is just a small preview of the outrage that Lin is being misused. If this drags on too long they will have to trade Lin. They cant ignore this like they are now.

  • TK Wong

    Yes… seems so obvious for us to see. Unfortunately its not so obvious from Clifford and FO POV.
    Hang in there JLIN and LIN fans… Seems like a total waste of potential not to utilize Jeremy and
    other mentioned players in roles and PT that could really help the team to win more games.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Best ranting I’ve seen in a long time. I was holding my breath to read that one whole paragraph though.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Calling BS incompetent. Good, hope a matter of when you’ll see that in Cliff.

  • Rick Johnson

    Hansbrough and Lin need more playing time:

    https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/672887116506923009

  • rookie75094

    Asian

  • kjch

    I also think Clifford knows…. Which is why I’m considering some other agenda…

  • Rick Johnson

    This after Swaggy implied Lakers were a circus act and Kobe is a clown?

  • LinMad

    I’d like to see Lin PnR with Tyler

  • sws94

    Clifford has a winning record.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    For now but not last season.

  • kjch

    touché

  • LinMad

    it’s really good.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You must be desperate.

  • blubell

    Nicely done, spark spark!

  • CJSHYY
  • LinMad

    was about to post this too lol

    Who’s JJ?

  • sws94

    Mixed on this stat but playing more together, Lin, Lamb, Nic can go up. From Real GM.

    Every 3 man lineup combination featuring 3 of the 4 players has an assist ratio below team average (16.7).

    Lin, Lamb, Kemba: 52 minutes / 13.1 assist ratio

    Nic, Lin, Lamb: 75 minutes / 15.9 assist ratio

    Nic, Lamb, Kemba: 158 minutes / 14.6 assist ratio

    Nic, Lin, Kemba: 125 minutes / 15.4 assist ratio

  • kjch

    Jared Jefferies…

  • Original Linsanity cast, Lin’s Big Bro on-court, and great fishing buddies

    https://twitter.com/OUTDChannel/status/559420993576239104

  • blubell

    Great post. As they say, “if it bleeds, it leads”… but let’s not get carried away by “bad news.”

  • Acbc

    I actually know that it’s a double negative, thanks. I use it as an accentuation of the fact, a bit of poetic licence. Besides, like other posters have said and I agree, language is always in flux and words become roots of multiple meanings by development. I just like the sound of the word irregardless better, kinda like a drum roll “pata tatum”.

  • NONONO

    If you exclude Roberts from Lin’s lineups, Lin’s data would be much better. The following is what I found for 18 games averages –

    Walker without Lin : NetRtg -7.4
    Lin without Walker: NetRtg +6.45
    Lin without Walker and Roberts: NetRtg +18.3

    Data from http://stats.nba.com/

  • NONONO

    Repeat what I just found –

    For 18 games averages NetRtg (Net Rating)

    Walker without Lin : NetRtg -7.4

    Lin without Walker: NetRtg +6.45

    Lin without Walker and Roberts: NetRtg +18.3

    Conclusion – Walker has bad impact on the team and Roberts is killing Lin.

    Data from http://stats.nba.com/

  • JAD2456

    Thanks so much for making all these charts and all the analysis you’ve done so far! You’re amazing! Please keep up your good work! We need you.

    For this “Mid-Range” charts, should it be “Walker & Lamb off court + Batum on court, slightly advantage to Lin”?

    As for the Left Corner 3 category, why is it “no effect”? Because of too small sample size? Or should it be “Walker off court + Lamb & Batum on court advantage to Lin”?

  • NONONO

    Lin did not play much PG with those lineups and mostly standing in the right corner , he wouldn’t contribute much on assist .

  • Rick Johnson

    That’s what I see watching the games. Lin needs to be THE PG. Whole team plays better.

  • gum

    Does anyone plan to attend the Hornets/Wizards game on December 19th in Washington, DC?

  • blubell

    Good to see that they still support each other and remained good friends. JJ is an awesome big bro 🙂

  • Acbc

    I’ve given up on posting my views for a while so don’t get me started JT. I’ve taken to watching Raptor’s games instead. I still haven’t forgiven GSW for stealing that game with the help of the refs in the last minute. Lol. I’m kidding…kinda.

    I’m now working through the Adam Smith “invisible hands” concept. I just liked the concept of how we humans act upon unconscious philosophies and ideologies. There is recent philosophical battles to wrestle the economical ideology of trickle down policies from the current GOP to a moderate middle ground. It’s pretty obvious that the trickle down policies have failed as the wealth keeps trickling up instead.

    The NBA has become my micro economical model of sort. Kobe, Melo, Harden are recipients of that trickle down ideology.

    Lin’s invisible hands working unseen is what I’m trying to work through to. It’s obvious to those of us who’ve been appreciative of his inate ability to elevate others around him. I’m coming close to a christalization of the idea of how he does it. I’m probably a couple of weeks away.

  • JoeTeam

    hey isn’t GSW TOR tonight? You have a chance to get a win! I’m again’ ya ha ha! Hey, let us know what you come up with when you see Lin’s invisible hand of God 🙂

  • even Josh Harrelson is still in it 🙂

    https://twitter.com/BigJorts55/status/672902594751283200

  • Acbc

    Wow

  • Acbc

    Lol, I’m not that interested in any other teams in the NBA. The raptors are a distraction of sort but I’ll not seek out their games in general. The game itself is now so flawed by the head office that if it wasn’t for Lin, I’d be just as happy to move on to some other activities.

  • Acbc

    You faked me out you little troll, lol. I searched all over for a long post from you to see what you had to say. I was soooo looking for some good news from you too!

  • blubell

    I totally forgot about Josh! I think he’s playing overseas. Wish him the best!

  • Acbc

    For anyone who doubts Lin can work with Kemba, I’ll jog you’re memory on a specific play Lin made in a game while in Houston. Lin was probably told to give the ball to Harden but that’s besides the point. As it happened so often, Lin was the delivery boy bringing up the ball. That night, the opposing coach tried very hard to keep the ball out of Harden’s hands and the team was struggling badly. Harden would take bad contested shots after shots. Finally Lin dribbled the ball over forcing a PNR onto Harden’s man creating enough separation for Harden to finally have some space to do his thing. You cannot teach this type of bball intelligence on the fly. Lin as PG did this and continue to do this all the time. It’s why MDA famously said of Lin”sometimes you just have to let them play”. MDA knew what he was seeing was magic and he was shaking his head on the sidelines saying to himself “how does he get them to do the things I’ve been trying to teach them to do so effortlessly.

    Lin was recently stripped of the ball from behind coming off a steal and break. I was a bit shocked by it. Here’s my take on it. Teams and players that have developed chemistry together don’t ever have to think about what needs to be done. Lin’s made some plays on breaks that makes me wonder what happened. Like the charge on Rondo!?; with Batum on the wing. To me these are clear indicators that Lin’s having to think about what he’s teammates are going to do and waited on what they are doing before making a decision of how to proceed. It takes time to make these things happen when you don’t get the ball in hand. Lin will do it, he did it even with BS doing have BS to Lin. It just took him till February to do it.

  • wu kong

    yes i was just seeing that error… copy paste and try just messed that one up try to edit posting…

  • wu kong

    If find other errors flag me and Ill correct ….Corrected chart for LIN!!! thanks @JAD2456:disqus

  • TTNN

    could you link the page? somehow I see different numbers from you, wondering whether I’m not looking the same thing here. How you get the NetRtg of Lin with both Kemba and Roberts out?

    BTW, notice one thing pretty dramatic, Kemba without Lin has USG of 22%, and with Lin, he had 28%. Big jump, and he shoots better across the board. That really match with the eye test, he was really taking advantage of Lin on court, and getting his stats. I saw Batum did that for a couple of games too, they used that pair with second team time as their stats staffing time, since the 2nd team had better space and had better defense.

  • LinMad

    it can work if coach allowed Lin to play a bigger role when he’s on the floor with Kemba or Batum. Not someone who just sits in corner and never gets passes. He makes Lin 3rd-4th and sometimes even 5th option on the floor when Kemba/Batum is playing with Lin. Even when Roberts was playing last game, Lin became 4th or 5th option behind Daniels, Frank, Hawes, etc. That’s so disrespectful. Which means, all Lin can do is play defense and even when he does well in defense, he doesn’t even get to go defend anyone worthy like Curry.

  • LinMad

    Conclusion: Kemba needs Lin to play well, Lin doesn’t need Kemba or Roberts to be playing PG.

    FIX: Play Lin at PG when he’s on the floor with Kemba or Roberts. Move Kemba or Roberts to SG.

  • TTNN

    you miss the point, it is more the style Kemba play has impact on other player. Lin played well with Batum and Lamb. They weren’t fit that well at the beginning, but definitely improved as time goes. Has not seen that with Kemba yet.

  • LinMad

    Ya so far, there are 3 players playing PG before Lin and it’s Kemba, Batum and Roberts.

  • LinMad

    uh why? I’d suggest getting a refund until we see Lin getting his chance. I feel sorry for anyone who bought tickets from Taiwan and had to fly over just to see Lin score 5-7 points. Last in, first out, non closing Lin is not what they are flying hours for/paid for.

    Also if he doesn’t get his chance by Dec 15th, I would suggest Lin demand a trade. Pull an Asik. $2M is nada for destroying his stats/career.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You still don’t get it. No one questioned what lin can or can’t do, it’s the coach whether or not to let him figure to play his game. Cliff is far worse than McHale in term of how to use Lin but not better than BS. After 18 games, we’ve seen enough unless Cliff changes.

  • TTNN

    I don’t think Nick Yong belongs to the young core, sounds to me that they are willing to give up JC, and Russel

  • Steppen03

    Yeah, thank you for all your hard works =)
    The charts are really good!
    And to other fellow fans too!!

  • NONONO

    The following link shows Lin without Walker and Roberts. I just found out you can use the filter “lineups” to include or exclude players. I filtered out the lineups which played less than 5 mins together in 18 games because the data meaningless.

    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/lineups/advanced/?CF=GROUP_NAME*E*Lin,Jeremy%7CGROUP_NAME*NE*Walker,Kemba%7CGROUP_NAME*NE*Roberts,Brian%7CMIN*GE*5&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

  • NONONO

    Agree.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The top 3 are all with 4 bench + 1 start players, none are with Kemba.

  • JoeTeam

    yep, even if Lin gets the PT, he’s got to gain experience handling the ball with these guys.

  • LinMad

    IMO, if Cliff is only going to play Lin 15 minutes per game, he needs to give Lin at least 80-90% of that time to himself as main PG for the 2nd unit. I think I’d be a little satisfied with that. But right now, he’s playing Lin limited minutes and Lin barely gets to touch the ball.

  • JoeTeam

    The good news is, West Coast is getting rain and with so many billions of people in the world, most people are living and working toward a better earth, life.

  • Michael

    I hear they are calling traveling tighter this year, so what’s up?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Last game Lin played mostly with Kemba and Robert who both handled the ball while him standing by the corner.

  • LinMad

    yes I know

  • TTNN

    wow, cool, don’t know you could use filter this way.

  • LinMad

    oh it’s Jared Jeffries. Nice to see they are still close friends.

  • LinMad

    JC has been good, if they get rid of him that’s gonna be their lost

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I just like some here are still hoping for a better day for Lin. But I don’t see it unless the coach changes his rotation completely and that must involve Lin to run the 2nd unit exclusively and close game. Other than that whatever he does trying to improve this team would just be digging the hole deeper, Lin must be traded for the good of both sides.

  • gum

    Thank you for a sound advice. Since this game will be televised on NBA TV, it might be better to view it at home…I do not know if I can get a refund for 2 pricey tickets…Well, lets see how long Jeremy will play tomorrow!

  • LinMad

    spark spark • 4 minutes ago

    I just checked on this for my edifacation. I’m going to do the same for Batum, but I think this is stunning, and shows Cliffords mind set. In 8 of the 18 games played to this point in the season…Walker in those 8 games has went 33-115 from the field. 28.7%fgs. In 4 of those games Lin’s minutes were severely limited. All loses. In two of the games Lin’s minutes were 27mins or so, both wins, both Lin shot well from the field and scored 17 and 19 points respectively. The 19 team leading. His minutes were cut right after that. Kimba shot poorly again though. Another loss. The facts are what they are. I’m curious what Batum’s numbers are going to be.

  • KL

    I will be going to that game as part of my US trip. Bought the tickets even before the season started. Sad about the current situation though.

  • Lin Win

    No! Trust me if Byron is still coaching Nick will be out.

  • Lin Win

    Pretty Much!

  • gum

    I really feel very sad for Jeremy and hope his coach will allocate enough minutes for him to show off his skills very soon. Lets wait and see how Jeremy will be played for the next few games.

  • sws94

    He gets it. He has a different opinion than you do. You could say you disagree but would you cool it with the personal stuff? Acbc is a very intelligent poster who makes his points super well. You don’t have to agree but going after someone because they haven’t given up on Cliff and you have is very obnoxious.

  • cdblue10

    If Clifford will not adjust on the next 5 games they will fall to abyss abruptly.

  • zxcvb

    Unfortunately, it all comes down to personnel/roster.

    Lin’s minutes are limited because Clifford does not play super-small ball (Kemba, Lin, Lamb, Batum, Al/Cody). That means almost every crunch time will be Lin OR Lamb. And Lamb is the lanky, 6-5 natural SG who likes to catch and shoot.

    I don’t even think it has anything to do with Lamb’s extension (which is not that much). Cliff wants to win and he hates being undersized on defense. Just look at Hairston playing 15-20mpg even though they don’t even want him for 1M. He plays because he’s the only one left on the roster with “SF size.”

    Lin will just have to keep doing his thing and wait for his chance — either due to injury or a losing streak.

  • sws94

    Yes. Will we? Hard to say. But if so it’ll take time.

  • sws94

    I think so. Al is going to be a free agent also. Lin or Lamb to close. I still think he’ll end up choosing Lin as Lin has made more big plays in the last 3 minutes than Lamb has. Defensive especially. I think when he feels he needs scoring Lamb makes more sense. And I guess he does.

  • KL

    At this point I would like to give credit to Acbc and Khuang for making some amazing predictions.

    Years ago, Acbc wrote a post about Lin teaching his team mates “winning patterns”. I cannot explain it as well as Acbc but my basic understanding is that Jeremy is a coach on the floor. He understands the system that the coach / organisation wants and can implement the best way for it to work. That explains why Lin has always been a winner regardless of his personal stats. Acbc predicted that any team with Lin would learn these “winning patterns” and can continue them even after Lin leaves. So they would play well for maybe 1 season after Lin has left the team.

    This was true of the Knicks who played well for exactly 1 season after Lin left. When Acbc made this post, the Rockets were still riding high. However, this season, Rockets have collapsed just as Acbc predicted. Lin took Moreyball and understood it better than even the coaches. He taught the team how to play it for 2 seasons. They could keep it up for another season but have now lost the plot. (I will leave the Lakers out because BS stopped Lin from ever going on a winning streak.)

    Kudos to Acbc for the great analysis and prediction well before it happened.

    For Khuang, the prediction before this season was that the bench would outplay the starters so badly that it could tear the locker room apart. As a result, Lin may get very few minutes. Another great prediction, though I am sad it came true. I wonder what Khuang is predicting for the rest of the season.

  • zxcvb

    Yeah, I think Al’s trade value is affecting his lineups as well. Gotta pump him up. And when Al’s out there, you want a catch-and-shoot 3pt guy to space the floor.

    Just to be clear to others, it’s not that I agree with Cliff’s approach. It’s definitely 100% wrong. I think Lin should start at SG and play 34mpg (staggered with Kemba) with Lamb as the leading bench player. But when I look at Lin’s PT over the season, Cliff clearly has a philosophy and he sticks to it. For now.

  • zxcvb

    Kemba yelling at others for his awful defense was a baaad moment. Even with no help, Kemba was right there to contest the shot — but he gave up. Didn’t want to risk his own stats by fouling/contesting at the rim.

    Terrible leadership by Walker and he embarrassed himself and his teammates with that mini-viral video.

  • Acbc

    Good luck wow, good luck with that game and hope Lin gives you a game to remember.

  • Joe what do you know

    It’s safe to say that in order for the Hornets to be in a safe playoff position, they really need to give Lin the room to do his magic. They MIGHT be able to just squeeze into the playoff going on the current strategy but is almost certain they’d get eliminated in the 1st round by top playoff teams be it Cavs or Bulls…

    They seriously need to have Lin organise the offense and improve the PNR skills of their bigs if they want to have greater than 50% chance of winning games against strong teams, this I believe…

  • Briiick

    The same pattern as in Rox because the coach doesn’t want Lin to shine in two consecutive games, win or loss.

  • linfan

    I don’t post here very often because I think the top posters here know a lot more than I do, and I enjoy just reading what everybody has to say. However, I hope you don’t mind if I weigh in with what I believe, and that is that at some point this season (I hope sooner than later) JLin will catch fire and play some amazing basketball. The reason I believe that is that he has done it every year since and including Linsanity. That even includes last year under the most difficult circumstances he has faced yet. So I don’t think it matters what Clifford does or Walker does or Batum or Lamb does; if he manages to stay healthy, and if they let him play at all, at some point Lin will explode. It seems to me that he has been holding back so far, trying to be a good team member and not trying to outshine anybody else, but at some point he will put all that aside and just start playing ball the way he knows how, and I will watch every game waiting for that to happen (have seen flashes of it already, but still waiting for the major explosion).

  • LinMad

    why don’t Lin create a class action lawsuit against the NBA. 6 year in the NBA, draws millions of Chinese viewers, gets paid only $2m and sees limited time on the floor. Gets passed around like a marketing tool.

  • Briiick

    Hornets’ agenda right now is to pad the stats of KW and Batum (and marginalize Lin’s stats since he is the direct competitor to KW) for the All Star games since they are going to be the host in 2017, even if it means losing a few winnable games. After that Lin can breath better but don’t expect Cliff to let him shine in two consecutive games. All these had been demonstrated in Rox two seasons before.

  • linfan

    Lin will get more all star votes than those guys no matter what Clifford does.

  • LinMad

    and what if he starts getting 12 minute games regularly?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Anyone else would be different but “you” to agree with him and praising him intel confirmed my point.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I am assuming you’re joking.

  • Briiick

    I will vote for Lin. I will never vote for a player who cares more about his personal stats than winning for his team.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even oversea could see.

  • sws94

    You’re just confirming what I wrote above. I couldn’t care less if you liked me or not but this is a good poster and you are against the spirit of this forum. You can disagree all you want but the you don’t get it stuff shows that you are the one not getting it. And not trying to. You missed the point is different than you don’t get it. Yours is often personal and that’s not cool.

  • LinMad

    watch they make Lin tweet out “Please vote for Kemba for all star game”

  • KL

    I thought Kemba being such a low level “star” would make him less of a threat to Lin. But it seems that the same reason is why Kemba is so insecure. He is feasting when Lin is on the floor with him but he is not helping Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I am confused, you wrote:

    So I don’t think it matters what Clifford does or Walker does or Batum or Lamb does; if he manages to stay healthy, and if they let him play at all, at some point Lin will explode. It seems to me that he has been holding back so far…..

    You wrote you don’t think it matters what Clifford or Walker or Batum…….. but why you think if they let him play at all?

    So are they matter or not?

  • Steppen03

    Trade JL7. Trade Lin. Trade JL7. Trade Lin!!! Let’s Do It, Hornets! Do it for Jeremy. Do it for the fans. Do it for your own good. Save Lin’s season, now.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I would respect opinions diff with mine except those bending backward making excuses for Cliff who clearly lied and holding Lin back. Making up excuses not the same as presenting facts.

  • occupatio

    sadly, hes not.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Oh boy.

  • sws94

    So you are rude on your own terms. But the forum has its own spirit that we all try to adhere to. You are defying it based on your own criterion.

  • sws94

    A trade guarantees nothing and I don’t see any signs Charlotte wants Lin traded. But, you never know. You may get your wish.

  • LinMad

    Ya, how is Lin the one holding back? It’s the way Clifford has his lineups and who has the green light. Lin does not. Lin has the red light. It seems every other game is about diminishing Lin’s minutes/roles for the team. I see a trade coming or something.

  • LinMad

    the signs are clear. Lin not getting to play backup PG for 2nd unit.

  • zxcvb

    That’s the problem in a funny way. I still get the feeling Clifford likes Lin. He just doesn’t feel the need to play small ball with Kemba and Lin together or Kemba, Lin and Lamb. And that limits his MPG.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Do you know they allow to have Reply to click on under a comment? It prevent nonsense comments to be challenged or good one get praised. You can’t handle the challenge then you need to stop bending backward making up excuses for Clifford.

  • zxcvb

    Bucks are the only possibility I can think of right now. But that wouldn’t be until 2016 unless there’s major discontent in CHA.

  • Steppen03

    JL7 is Not Superman. =)
    Only takes “One” person to disrupt the entire team – e.g. Melo during Linsanity, under MDA’s coaching. But most teams are like that too – “everyone” have to buy into the coach’s system in order for the “good team chemistry” to happen. Lin can buy into Cliff’s system – but a good defender, play 18-22min, play heavily off the ball as a spot up shooter, and be a good decoy. On this team – Lin will Never get the “winning” shot (unlike past teams). The “only good” thing from Hornets is the media – No bashing Lin and other than that is “scraps or left overs” from KW, NB, and Lamb. I don’t hate the guys on team – just the way the coach is heading.

  • sws94

    But he does. It’s just Kemba has been joining him in recent games and he shifts to SG. He does for a few minutes.

  • sws94

    Lin had big games next to Melo and Harden.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Short comment but straight to the point, bravo.

  • sws94

    LAJane, do you want to take on this one, lol? You always seem to have the right way of putting things. Help!!!! 🙂

  • 1mtoldman

    well there are clear minutes patterns thus far:

    first 2 games/27 minutes
    next 8 games/20 minutes
    next 4 games/29 minutes
    last 4 games/18 minutes

    so 12 minutes would seem not yet in the range of probability….however if look at just the last 8 games and would assume the same decline in minutes over the next 4 games as the current most recent 4 games over the previous 4 games…yes would hit about 12 minutes per game.

    trying to say it more simply: should lin’s next 4 games minutes decline continue on the same ratio as his minutes decline in the last 4 games it would hit your 12 target just about directly.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Was the liar Clifford call the shot in those games?

  • sws94

    I think so too. He hasn’t brought out the big aggressive Lin games yet due to trying to learn and set up his team mates perhaps. So, hopefully, once he’s done that to his satisfaction he’ll pull one out. I think when a few 3s fall in succession, he may do so.

  • LinMad

    how to explain Roberts being PG instead of Lin? or even Batum playmaking and requesting ball from Lin from back court?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    See, you’re bending backward to ignore the real problem of the coach. Making it seem like Cliff has not seen Lin play yet. Even worse now you blame Lin for missing 3s? SMH

  • sws94

    Robert hardly ever plays. I don’t think about him really. He’s DNP-CD the majority of the games.

  • LinMad

    ok well why was Batum handling the ball more than Lin in the 2nd unit? 7-9 TOs. IMO, Cliff believe Batum can do everything. And this is why Lin is being marginalized heavily. I really think Lin can co-exist with Kemba but not with both.

  • LinMad

    Then he needs to find some exclusive minutes for Lin. At least 13 minutes to himself with the 2nd unit.

  • sws94

    I think Batum and Lin play well enough together. Lin brings it up, calls the plays, Batum makes some passes or Lin does. He doesn’t always have that many TOs and he gets a lot of assists. Batum has played well. He’s considered the team’s best or 2nd best player. Lin is best off the bench and treated differently. But sometimes Lamb is best scorer off the bench because he’s been scoring more than Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It guarantees you will be out of being lied to.

  • sws94

    That’s pretty reasonable. 13 minutes without Kemba at least.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even worse, the one hardly play get to run the offense instead of lin. SMH. Cliff has an agenda, Lin’s fans need to wake up and face it.

  • 1mtoldman

    fun nba facts 2nite:

    offensive jugernaut patrick beverly outscored the entire dallas team 2nite in the first half of the first quarter.

    the kobe retirement tour report: kobe with 1 minute left in the first half had played more minutes than any other player on either team. 1-7 for 4 points. (maybe scott actually has it in for kobe and is trying kill him from exhaustion).

    ronnie (head of the snake) price got 18 minutes 2nite with phnx. (actually more minutes than lin has averaged in his past 4 games).

  • sws94

    Hope there are more games where going to small ball makes sense. It may depend on matchups. Now he may have less choice due to Al out for 10 days at least.

  • sws94

    Lin will shoot over to 2 guard when another PG is on the floor. Cliff said he likes Lin because he can play PG and SG. Maybe he likes Lin better at SG.

  • sws94

    That happens every so often. Beverley scores a lot for a few games. Then he goes back into the usual Beverley type of numbers.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Another fun fact, Clifford has done everything to hold back Lin game explosion to prevent outshining Kemba. Even made the DNP-CD Robert to handle the offense instead of Lin. Still Lin scored more than Kemba in much less minutes.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    BS said he’s a Lin fan too.

  • 1mtoldman

    no. beverly does not “score(s) a lot for a few games.”

    in the last 39 games he has played going back thru last season he has scored more than 12 points exactly twice. (the two games were not closely spaced)

    this season prior to tonites game he has yet to score more than 10 points.

    in his entire nba career there have been only about 4 or 5 times when he has had a sequence of “a few games” in which he “score(d) a lot”–and thats only if you count averages of around 12 to 15 points a game “a lot”.

  • occupatio

    whenever beverley goes for a layup, i feel like im watching a clip in slow-motion.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • PETE B

    he might have a case . webattorney? @webattorney

  • JoeTeam

    what the hey linfan, many people pretend to know more than others. You are valued. Your eyes are right, Lin has not played with fire yet. Maybe he’s happy. We know in Rox, he had the fire of injustice, and he was trying to win for that team. Actually those years were insufferable online, but we saw some amazing games and performances. SO you are right indeedy.

  • JoeTeam

    I give cred to you for your memory.

  • LAJane

    LOLOLOL indeed! Parents who tolerate pies in face and getting beaned by a basketball. The greatest! Love this family! Endless reasons to be a JLin fan.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin seemed to be in good mood…. tomorrow should be good.

  • Love Lin

    Hahahaha…. I laugh out really loud in front of my laptop.. Poor papa Lin, ouchhhhh…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Would that be nice if that were Cliff and a real BB instead of Papa Lin?

  • sws94

    Not in a full game with as much fire as we’ve seen in others. But, the first Knick game, Lin had an edge and determination and would not be denied. He played great in that game. In the Kings OT game he had fire too, had that look on his face pumped up by Marvin Williams being into his play. But, yeah, he’s been pretty medium energy most of the season.

  • JoeTeam

    yup, I think there was only one game where I saw Lin get the right usage and amount of PT to generate a buildup and lead the team to a win … forgot which one. Yep, maybe the Kings OT. That to me was him figuring out the puzzle, not really the joyful fire of some of his best memorable games. Just a quiet buildup you knew was going to win.

  • TTNN

    That was a pillow ball, I thought that was a gift from his fan from Taiwan couple years ago.

  • Yascar

    I get that you hate Clifford and that you think everyone who doesn’t is blind, deaf and dumb. That’s fine.

    But is this statement truly necessary? The guy is having a bit if fun with his Dad. Unlike some of us here, Lin at least appears to be in a good mood. Let’s celebrate that while we can.

  • LinMad

    i hope that was a soft basketball

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Of course, he would be knocked out if that were a real one. haha.

  • LAJane

    Had such high hopes for Charlotte after such a seemingly rosy courtship, but that old pattern of Lin’s shiny moments getting followed by low PT to dial down any attention on him are starting to look deliberate again. Sigh. I still believe Clifford likes Lin and sees his talent, but team politics rules. I believe part of the reason they spent so much time talking to Jeremy before signing was to try to be sure he would be still be team-minded enough after Laker abuse to work with Kemba. Lin can…but I think the problem is Kemba. I don’t think he’s campaigning against Jeremy, but he’s still considered the face of the franchise and they still feel they have to keep him elevated as much as they can. If he were a better player, I think it would not be so much of a problem. But Jeremy so obviously an all-around better player that it’s hard to make them look like companions. Enough better that even when Jeremy doesn’t toot his own horn, even when he bends over backwards to be team-minded, his existence is just disruptive. I think KHuang was right in predicting that. I don’t know whether Clifford has the skill to get all the cats herded in the same direction…or whether any coach could mesh all the conflicting agendas. Sigh. Well at least they do say nice things about him. That’s at least one blessing. And at least so far he seems to be in an OK mood. Another blessing.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That situation, mentally pain is much worse than physical pain. Being hit by a bb is nowhere near comparing to being lied to and prolonging it.

    If you can’t take a little humor, your problem. Seem like some people here hate me more than I angered at the coach.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes according to Master Lo, his massager from Taiwan. It’s a cloth basketball but it still hurt a little:-( JLin should hit his papa a little less force:-)

  • Yascar

    You’re calling on everyone to hate. That’s not humorous in any circumstance.

    But yes perhaps it is my problem. Perhaps I misunderstood. Thank you.

  • kauaiblue

    He could sue for employment discrimination… lol

  • leeda harun

    Family times. It is good to have a bonding ties like this 🙂

  • LAJane

    What is the song he’s syncing to? and also does anybody recognize the city in the picture on the wall?

  • occupatio

    I really like what you said. Because it paints a scenario that is complex and makes for a difficult situation (for Lin) even though the individuals themselves do not necessarily have bad intentions. To me, that’s a very realistic description. AND it matches what I see happening on the court which is that Kemba is just doing too much, and is not enough of a team player to elevate his teammates and elevate the entire team.

    I also don’t think Kemba is ‘selfish’ in any simple way. He really does think of his teammates as teammates. (It’s certainly not the kind of selfishness that Harden has.) But nevertheless, the consequences are significant. Ultimately, I don’t think Kemba is capable of changing; and that also, or primarily, a function of his limitations as a player.

  • TK Wong

    No explanation – just dumb coaching

  • TK Wong

    … also add to it that statistically Lin is superior to so many other players who get more PT and get paid much more! And it is a repeated pattern of treatment over 6 years ! Not the way JLIN would want to handle this. However, maybe an aggressive employment law attorney who might like his chances and take the case on contingency basis.

  • Acbc

    What is your agenda with me? I re-read my post and no where is even a mention of Clifford or the coaching staff.

    I’m not in love with Clifford and his recent treatment of Lin. That we can all at least agree on. Why that has happened is something that we can debate on, but I don’t even bother anymore. So okay, you win…I’ve actually stop posting why I still maintain some hope for this team. Are you happy now! I yield to your greatness.

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  • Rick Johnson

    Wants to copy M Jordan.

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  • TK Wong

    Lin has to put up twice the stats and that still does not guaranty he will be evaluated on the same basis as other (dare I say non-Asian American) players. Isn’t that a double standard ? One for Lin and one for other players.

  • Linja

    He can go back to Italy.

  • leeda harun

    His whole life evolves around bb.Of course if there is a chance he want to be like mj, owned a bb team

  • CJSHYY

    Good idea… but I think Kobe means NBA.

  • jeremy

    He aint that rich

  • CJSHYY

    That’s what I thought… MJ has his Jordan air that do make lots of money…

    Kobe can be part of ownership….don’t need to be 100%.

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! Kobe is going to start sell his brand from Alibaba….

  • sport

    Kobe’s been a MJ copycat all his basketball career.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! LOL!

  • jeremy

    what brand lol his shoes are ugly

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t know what’s it… but he signed deal w Alibaba… China is big market & they love him. After few years, he can have enough money to buy a team like MJ.

  • jeremy

    like 5%
    hes not even a billionaire at least have like half of that lol
    if you look at other owners most of them are billionaires or close to that
    and they have other business where they make tons of money
    Owning an NBA team is just a hobby or a way to avoid tax
    Kobe aint making no money lol outside of basketball

  • jeremy

    he signed a deal but he aint owning alibaba whose owner is the richest man in china
    MJ had his own brand and he became a successful enterpreur
    kobe aint one

  • CJSHYY

    I think he’s a billionaire but just don’t know which team will give him some part of ownership… hope Lakers don’t do it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nike and AirJordan were the number one source of MJ’s wealth. Kobe is very rich but owning a team as a majority owner would be another story.

  • CJSHYY

    Of course he’s just use Alibaba to sell his staff …

  • jeremy

    uhhhh Kobe isnt a billionaire
    hes not even worth half of a billion….

  • CJSHYY

    After 20 years in NBA w tons of endorsements… he’s.

  • jeremy

    thats not gonna get him too far…
    What MJ did with Air Jordan was phenomenal
    Kobe isnt gonna surpass that
    Its not that easy to become a billionaire LOLOL

  • CJSHYY

    Not now of course but maybe few years later…. or he can buy some % of the team ownership….

  • jeremy

    LOL thats so ignorant
    if thats the case why is MJ the only Billionaire coming out of the NBA
    and you can easily google how much kobe is worth smh

  • jeremy

    Yep totally agreed
    some kid believes Kobe is a billionaire because hes been in the league for 20 years LOL

  • grover chang

    Earlier this week I was listening to NBA radio. The host was interviewing the reporter that covered GSW. The reporter said a key part of the Warriors success was players did not resent the success of Curry. All the players were playing well but Curry got the most attention. He said it was essential the team does not resent the success of their leader to win. This has been a problem for Lin. Players on his teams resent his success. Why? I have my idea but that opinion is not popular to say.

  • CJSHYY

    Why he’s not a Billionaire? Kobe Bryant net worth and salary: Kobe Bryant is an American basketball superstar who plays for the Los Angeles Lakers and has a net worth of $320 million.

  • leeda harun

    maybe the richest man in china want a partership wth kobe….anything can happen

  • jeremy

    true but jack is a smart guy he will probably get the money before kobe becomes a billionaire

  • jeremy

    320mil is not one billion simple math

  • CaliUSMC

    Fun game on cavs vs pelicans. 105-105 8secs left in 4th

  • leeda harun

    Ha ha …jack want more money and influence in usa…he will do it

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! My mistake…

  • jeremy

    lol my blood was boiling cuz im sucha kobe hater
    but i will miss him in the NBA still haha

  • Acbc

    I think Kemba could surprise you the same way that few would have thought possible with JR Smith. It’s just a matter of desire to let the game come to him instead. Wink wink, say no more. Coach Lin anyone?

  • grover chang

    Ave cost of NBA team is 1.1 billion. Kobe’s net worth is $320 million. To put this in perspective Bill Gates is worth $79 billion. Gates could buy all the teams in the NBA and make every center court a window sign if he wanted and still have $49 billion dollars in change. I can’t imagine life with such money.

  • CaliUSMC

    lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Value keeps go up and up.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i think Klay is starting to resent Curry. his dad was on the radio the other day saying how Curry is taking away shots from Klay. and during the game vs GSW the other day, Dell made a “joke” about Klay having a “greener light” than Curry

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I would be the last person here you want to agree with but I have to say, your words “deliberate again” means everything to me. Keep hope alive.

  • your son’s voltaire

    this is a good time to trade Kemba. his value has shot way up since the start of the season. but at the same time, the FO must have realized by now that Kemba this season is just the same as Kemba of previous years. if they truly believe in playing an uptempo high scoring style of basketball, they’d know that trading Kemba and/or Big Al would be a huge step in that direction. also, starting and letting Lin be the primary distributor would help a lot 😉 they can trade Kemba/Big Al or both for a really good center

  • Yascar

    Pelicans took this one. Good on them.

  • sport

    There will always be jealousy of some sort. Even Pippen was jealous of MJ overshadowing him. It depends whether Klay will eventually want his own team which he’s capable of in order to get to higher recognition. Or would he rather create a legacy in GSW with multiple championships like the Spurs but be forever overshadowed by Curry.

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  • your son’s voltaire

    lol. BS doesn’t even try to pretend that he’s not coaching the team. plays dirty politics his whole coaching career

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Soon NYoung will play and BS will not coach.

  • JoeTeam

    honestly, KT is not playing well enough for the jealously angle to stick. An early snow …

  • Acbc

    Ta Tatum? nah, I still like tata tatum better. Lol

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    wow…did Klay dad really said that?…My guess is Klay might be traded down the line.

  • John Focker

    Swaggy should ask for a trade, and Lakers should be stuck with BS forever even after Kobe retires. Jimmy Buss deserves nothing less.

  • grover chang

    Season has a long way to go. Things change fast. Charlotte in 9th spot vs Bulls in 1st spot tomorrow. New York back to 0.500, Houston in the 8th spot, and Lakers still suck.

  • Briiick

    Yes, Lin still has chances to shine because Cliff will have to unleash him from time to time in order to get in the playoff. The east is even and strong this season, Cliff simply doesn’t have much leisure for studs making.

  • leeda harun

    Agree.i hope lin stays healthy and perform well

  • LAJane

    Jealousy is PURE POISON. There’s a reason it’s counted as one of the 7 deadly sins. In an arena like the NBA with bright lights and BIG money, the jealousy-free moments are rare and short-lived. Nothing contributes more to winning than communal generosity, yet is the hardest to come by. I feel sure the unpopular opinion you refer to is racism, but the examples of even big basketball stars having jealous territorial battles with talented teammates are very numerous and that’s been going on forever, so I still put jealousy first and racism second for most players.

    And furthermore, it isn’t even only the players’ own jealousy. Look at the comment below about Klay’s dad complaining about Curry taking away his son’s shots. I’m sure Klay has had that pin stuck in him plenty of times. Remember Jeremy saying he finally had to block out even the complaints of his family and friends because it was fanning those negative flames? You can only imagine what kind of stuff Kemba gets an earful of. Maybe Clifford can manage the team emotions, but we shouldn’t assume it’s only up to him either. Plenty of fingers in a franchise pie.

  • John Focker

    BS is a preview of Kobe being a coach…the “Bus-underside Stuffer”, it’s everyone else’s fault but mine.

  • sport

    You are crazy to think that. If Lin gets to start of course he needs to take it cause that makes 30+ minutes versus 15-18 minutes! And it’s not like he’s playing PG as the bench player right now either, he still camping out as SG standing in the corner but with even fewer minutes!

  • 1mtoldman

    bill can’t imagine it without it.

    btw thanks for the illustration; at 1st i didn’t get what you meant by “make every center court a window sign”.

  • 1mtoldman

    only 2000. (but its easier than it used to be)

  • 1mtoldman

    id say its more a expected status symbol like when you meet with other bilionaires you need to have a team.

    like at a lower level someone wants to have a coach bag or luis vutton or the latest smart phone.

    its just a expected symbol.

  • kjch

    Lol

  • 1mtoldman

    well a lot of attention paid to kobes net worth since his retirement annoucnement; and to be fair it appears or is alleged that kobe has the highest net worht of any athelte while still active in their carreer (others current have earned more salary as players)–thus his starting point (again if current articles are correct) is a higher launching pad than mj; but he could either go iverson or jordan.

    which would you guess?

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  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Not going to happen.
    Just wish Lin becomes healthy again. There is something Lin needs to learn and he’s picked this up quite nicely in Charlotte. After that Lin will really be a star player.

  • Phillycheese

    Re the Mike Dunlap article – Lin is playing much better without Kemba. But I am not sure one can say he is outplaying Kemba.

  • Dorothy

    I am curious if Lin had the support like Kemba did, how many times Lin would be better???

  • Phillycheese

    Here is a trade idea – Trey Burke for Lin. Utah may need to throw in a second round pick to make it happen.

  • Phillycheese

    Doesn’t matter, Lin needs to take upon himself and force Coach to play him with his improved play.

  • Guest

    I just hope Lin can be relieved of less defensive task by the coach then maybe he can shoot better from the perimeter?

  • Guest

    The Western Conference seems to have weaken by the off-season signing and trades. Utah Jazz is now a playoffs team and the season is still long so anything can happen.
    By getting Lin, the team will sure locked in for the playoffs and possible deep playoff run. Good idea.

  • CJSHYY

    Really surprise to see CP is off the bench now? Maybe DW just not allow him to run the point? w 2nd unit he can?

    https://twitter.com/tim_cato/status/672993327894032384

  • kittyhead

    I think it’s because of his knee surgery. He’s still recovering from it and doesnt play too much time. Not related to the forward-point stuff, imo.

  • CJSHYY

    I know he didn’t play well after the surgery but until FA….? That’s about 2 years from now…

  • kittyhead

    I think unrestricted means “until his playing time is not restricted?”

  • CJSHYY

    I see…

  • TTNN

    I thought he has been doing that for a while, since he was limited to 25 min/game

  • CJSHYY

    But he always started….

  • TTNN

    Opposite to most people’s thinking, loosing AI is big to Hornets, and if coach want to win, he will have to play Lin more, and he will have to unleash Lin, let him play his game, just play Lin as currently way will not work.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Nathan is mad…. but I think Lin will play more min today.

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/673164202958315521

  • TTNN

    I thought he wasn’t playing in the first half when they faced Hornets…..

  • wu kong

    ok so seriously where is the players union?? do the players have no protection against this type of bully behavior? Surprising that the players union has nothing to say on this… workplace bully behavior

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I think that’s his first time to off the bench for Mav.

  • wu kong

    future Asian team owner!?!?! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

  • sws94

    Lawson, off bench, 20 minutes, 3-8. 8 points. Beverley starts. That’s the NBA. Lawson went there to start. Doesn’t start now.

  • TTNN

    Nick had another 2 years contract after this, he will be out lived than Byron and Kobe, he knows that, so he don’t need to care…….

    I’m pretty sure he have seen first hand how it will turn out if you give in and cooperate in Lin last season, you will not going to change their mind.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Trey Burke is a young player with decent potential, so I don’t think Utah would need to throw in additional pick if they were to suggest it…this trade could be made straight up since Lin is 27 and Trey is 23 with good potential to be a starting PG in the future.

    For the record, I doubt Utah would make that trade…I do think Charlotte would take it..Trey is also lock for 2 years while Lin can opt out next year.

  • LAJane

    translation anyone?

  • occupatio

    lawson is in a class of his own with his numbers. its not a representative example, but an extreme one.

  • occupatio

    and more to my pt, lawson had many chances to play tons of minutes even tho he wasnt producing at all.

    lawson has done nothing, but he didnt lack for opportunity in terms of minutes early on. guy was playing 30+ minutes before they finally gave up on him.

  • right, the most said about that is

    “When Walker is off the court, the Hornets as a team see a 7.6 percent increase in assist percentage (up to 62.5), they get an increase of 2.1 in assist ratio and the team’s eFG and TS percentages rise (4.4 and 4.1 percent, respectively). The team’s offensive rating jumps by 3.3 and the defensive rating improves by 7.5.”

    But that doesn’t necessarily mean that one is outplaying the other. Also, starters do play against starters, and I think we know that the bench as a whole is playing against other benches better than the starters are playing against other starters.

  • wu kong

    ug nope. JLin plays against and with pretty much every player on the floor. It is not simply JLin needs to stay on bench to make bench better. Especially considering the times when he has closed 4th quarters or been brought in at OT to save the day. That is JLin against starters.

    In fact JKidd moved his starters around for the game against Hornets.

    JLin presence improves other players… some of them help him but not tremendously
    Walker better with JLin,
    Lin better with Batum,
    Lamb Better with Lin or Batum,
    Batum better with Lamb or Lin

    Charts here: http://disq.us/8tbei2 or scroll down…

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  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    JEREMY LIN’S DECISION TO JOIN THE HORNETS WAS A STRATEGIC BLUNDER

    I had an epiphany this morning…

  • cdblue10

    Basketball isn’t complex to understand ,if they don’t like you on the team,you won’t touch the ball at all or most part of it and you won’t play to close the game.

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  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You’re missing something. The coach told Jeremy many times how much he likes him and his game. By all accounts Kemba, Batum and all the rest of the Hornets really like Jeremy. Jeremy worked very hard to have great chemistry with his new teammates. That was the theme of his preseason video. What went wrong?

  • Chopz

    Jealousy, top dog status. Can’t be outshined by 2 million dollar player.

  • cdblue10

    Yes he said that many times yet it doesn’t transpired on the last 4 games.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Because it’s not a question of like. I think Lin is very likable and Kemba and Batum both like him. But that doesn’t mean they will sacrifice their own personal interests for him (unless they have to.)

  • cdblue10

    What’s the difference of liking you and having a personal interest?Its like you saying,I like him but I won’t pass the ball because of my personal interest.

  • sws94

    No doubt. I think any non-top PG can go from starter to bench player if he doesn’t produce to the standard expected. It could happen to Kemba if he joined Curry or another top PG.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I like Jeremy he’s a great guy. But if I pass the ball to him he might score and facilitate more than me and that will diminish my stature. Winning is nice too but me becoming an All-Star, the face of the franchise, and rich is more important to me than sharing the ball with a nice “competitor.”

  • jeremy

    okay? but kobe isnt even a billionaire

  • sws94

    To add it may be the Harden effect, he just needs someone like Beverley over a facilitating PG. Shows how well Lin did under the circumstances. Also shows it may not have been a bad idea to have Lin play off the bench for 30 minutes a game. It’s just that he wasn’t supported like he should have been by McHale.

  • cdblue10

    So the bottom line is they don’t like him since he’s a hindrance with their personal Interest and glory.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Thanks for helping me explain at least part of my epiphany 🙂

  • occupatio

    diagnosing the difficulty of the houston situation as ‘playing next to harden’ oversimplifies it. its not just that harden dominated the ball so lawson didnt get touches, but that houston just doesnt run plays for lawson. (you could argue they dont run set plays enough in general, and thats true.) they dont run picks for lawson and anyone who watched karl’s denver knows that lawson not only got screens set for him, but screens in succession, often more than one in a possession.

    (meanwhile in houston, its rare for lawson to get picks, and mchale’s stu pid coaching meant that none of the bigs could set a good pick if they didnt know how to beforehand. compare to karl’s team: those bigs in sacramento know how to set picks; karl woud never allow otherwise)

    in charlotte, lin’s 2Q production is actually amazing when you consider that 1. he is shooting the worst ever in his career, and 2. most of the set plays are run for lamb and not for lin, and 3. lin doesnt regularly get picks unless he goes out of his way to call for them.

    meawhile, batum, kemba, lamb regularly get plays called for them.

  • sws94

    Thanks. I haven’t watched Houston that much.

    I think in Lin’s case, running the plays for Lamb is OK in that Lamb is the number one scoring option and Lin either gets the assist or the un-acknolweged hockey assist. I think there’s a big issue of Lin not having a great PnR guy to just work off of. It makes a big difference. Lin with Ed was incredible, Lin with Black even was OK. Lin with PnP types, or even just P types, is more challenging for him.

    I’m not happy with the 4Q not going like the 2Q trend. If Lin can run the offense in the 2Q and get good results, keep Kemba off of the floor until the last 5 minutes or so and let Lin do his thing. Bringing Kemba in throws Lin off. But Clifford wants Kemba Lin and when it doesn’t work, Lin may sit in the 4th. Not good. Waste of Lin in my opinion.

  • adele

    Right to the point.

  • sws94

    Needs more PnR to really unleash Lin. Lin with Cody and Kaminsky makes for good picks. And possibly Hansbrough who plays rarely. Lin with Hawes is what we see a lot of however.

  • Brent Yen

    Hair sanity is around the corner…….lol…..

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Try not to be outshined by ANY player if you have the power to block him.

  • adele

    Waay much better.

  • kjch

    Don’t leave us hanging…. Why do you think so…. Oh and plz include the ideal alternative. Thx 🙂

  • CJSHYY

    That’s for sure.

  • kjch

    Yes, shouldn’t be too long before…. We see that secret new hairstyle he’s been planning

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Bingo..I agree with this…You can’t compare Lawson’s opportunity to Jeremy’s…Lawson was given every chance to prove he could fit in the starting 5 alongside Harden..He got consistent 30+ minutes but it simply didn’t work out…Lin did much better when he had to play with Harden 2-3 years ago.

    And as I’ve stated, you could make a strong argument that Clifford should had locked Lin in for consistent good minutes off the bench based on his great pre-season and his first 2/3 game at the start of the season..But Clifford ignored Lin’s good start of his Charlotte career and kept on playing him like an afterthought.

  • sws94

    His start began with the good Miami game, not really pre-season. The Atlanta games weren’t his best. And I don’t think it works that way that the guys off the bench are locked into minutes. Really, the only guys locked into minutes are Kemba and Batum.

    I wasn’t comparing Lin and Lawson’s situations as being exact. Just that an established started can go to the bench if the circumstances on his new team don’t support him. And that’s the flaw in thinking that if Lin goes to another team that things may change. I think the NBA is the way it is and any team may present Lin with similar challenges of playing time and a bigger role on the team. Even if they don’t have an established starting PG they could get one and put Lin on the bench anyway. That’s why I hope for things to improve for Lin in Charlotte.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Lol. I’m a math/science major. I like reading but I never used to like writing compositions. Writing well organized, clear, concise prose is not easy for me. It feels like a homework assignment.

    Here are some bullet points:

    Having a coach that likes you is important but for most teams, and that includes the Hornets, coaches have very limited power. Owners have power, but they often indulge their star players. The greater the star power (Kobe, Lebron, Melo) the more the balance of power shifts to the player.

    Lin needs to be a starting PG or he needs to backup a truly great PG that won’t feel threatened by him.

    Lin was naive to think Charlotte would work out well.

  • kjch

    Lol I understand.. I’m also math/sci. See the thing is, I’m starting to think if charlotte doesn’t work out… Maybe no team will work out. I’m not sure where he’d be given opportunity to start as PG atm…As for backing up truly great PG.. Are you saying you think GSW would have been better option?

  • FSW

    Millions of dollars involved it’s a business at end of day.
    Lin is a lamb amongst wolves.

  • LAJane

    Well, it wasn’t just Lin. I think the whole organization was hoping he’d be the guy that could get more out of Kemba and the two of them could be an East Coast splash bros. I’m sure that was the whole vibe of the interviews with Lin. Lin can tango, but it takes two…and sometimes three and four ;l So far, players who like each other have not been able to keep their individual egos controlled on the court.

  • sws94

    Much is up to Kemba. Nice guy but strongly goes into old tendencies as a player. If adaptable to share PG play with someone like Lin, it’s a very slow one it seems.

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  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    No, you’re not following me. The coach is doing Kemba’s bidding. Otherwise the coach could limit Kemba to 32 minutes (quite reasonable) and give 48-32=16 minutes to Lin to be the backup PG running the offense. Roberts should never play. Lin should be able to ask the coach to play some PnR with Hansbrough for at least 5-10 minutes instead of being stuck with Hawes. It’s just like how BS kept Ed Davis on the bench when Lin started and then switched both of them. We expected Lin would be able to make suggestions to such a sympathetic coach like Cliff. Instead we got BS again constantly pointing out Lin’s flaws and benching him.

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  • Spot

    Clifford and his camp have been pretty smart: they spread the news before the season started that several teams wanted him in offseason.

    When McHale was fired the news was they wanted Clifford to replace McHale.

    That was enough to make Charlotte extend Clifford for 3 years. Now he’s got complete control of the situation, good or bad.

  • Spot

    Agree. Hopefully the truth will come out.

  • wu kong

    one excerpt but entire article is well worth reading/studying and posting around on social media

    “Field Goal Attempt:

    I think FGA is a rough indication of scorer priority.

    AI/Kemba/Batum were the top three priorities on this team to score. Followed by the Jeremys.

    For games Kemba had more than 14 FGA, we were 2- 7, for games Kemba had less than 14 FGA, we were 8-1. I do think this split is significant. Interesting thing is, every game we loose except for the first 3, Kemba will dial back his FGA to under 14

    Not sure whether it was coincidence or causation, we win all the games AI shoot more than 18 or Lin shoot 11 times or above. We loose all the games Hawes shoot more than 8.

    This one is fun, we were 6-0 when Lamb shoot exactly 10 times. Give it a little wiggle room, we were 8-1 when Lamb shoot 10 +/- 1 FGA.

    Lin’s FGA had a sharp drop in recent games, correlates to his play time too. Not sure that’s a trend or variation.”

  • JoeTeam

    Here’s an interesting angle on coaching insights. I love these because you get more to read the tea leaves. Some posts here just don’t factor in the intelligence of a coaching system, and that is understandable given some of the irrational moves McH and BSc have made. However, GSW is well coached, as is SAS, so sometimes, let us post with better bball team insights so convos can flourish and we all learn something from each other. Thank you sirs/ms’s …

    http://www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Walton-weighs-streak-vs-rest-6676743.php

  • Briiick

    This is also an indication that Hornets have no ambition at all. They want to keep doing what they have done in the past seasons, giving up their hope for a change to the fast pace offense.

  • JoeTeam

    I personally think KW is for trade, because if they are rational, they would not be so focused on letting him be a star. It’s clear he’s not Kobe or Harden, so why and the only rational answer is, they need trades coming up.

  • JoeTeam

    you can see the NB improvement on this team.

  • JoeTeam

    we do need some sanity (hand) check.

  • Briiick

    Cliff has been playing KW like this for several seasons.

  • JoeTeam

    not really. Strategy is to play out a year and get the real K when salary caps go up by about $20m. It’s early yet, he just needs to show good tape and clutch in the games leading up to the playoffs. If he can have a stable role for that run, it’s all set.

  • JoeTeam

    ha ha we do agree on that. I wish he had Livingston’s or better yet, Barbosa’s role. Right now I posted that GSW is going to start resting players before the streak ends, to prevent injury, and it sure would be great to have a Lin instead of Barbosa. Yes, not a reality, but anyway, Lin backing up a great team with a set playing style would have shoed him into next season.

  • JoeTeam

    I don’t think Kemba is good enough, and everyone knows, to command any bidding. He’s just got the top PG slot and they are going to have to get him to perform, lose consistently with him, or pump him up to trade.

    Also, something is wrong in the coach for him to allow a guy like kemba to shoot worse than Kobe on many nights. This is a team that is trying to figure out how to win, and they are barely treading water so something will change.

  • cdblue10

    I’ve been preaching this for a while that Kemba pulls this team down.Yes he assisted on some occasions but as a small PG who’s trying to be a superstar will not bring you anywhere.

  • JoeTeam

    The only rational thing I can come up with is they are trying to pump up Kemba for a trade, but I know that is wishful thinking too.

  • JoeTeam

    ok that puts cold water on my hope lol.

  • jolno

    There is really no consistency to coach’s lineup decisions. He seems to value length in defense because he plays Hariston in the starting lineup over Lin. But on the other hand his starting point guard who plays heavy minutes almost always gives up at least 2 inches to the opposing point guards. It was hilarious to see Clifford trying to stop Curry (6 ft 3) with Walker (6 ft 1) who has no chance to contest Curry’s shot.

    I think while winning is nice, how to win seems to be more important for most NBA teams. Dr. Buss chose Kobe over Shaq because Kobe is a better entertainer with the ability to hit difficult shots, not because Kobe is better than Shaq. The Lakers were able to manufacture the false image of Kobe being close to Jordan with low key superstar in Paul Gasol not eager to steal spotlights from Kobe. This is basically how NBA franchise works. They chose their star first and then they will find players to make their stars look better.

    Unfortunately, Lin’s franchise player status was abruptly ended when Morey got Harden and now Lin was neglected to the “role player” status. It all went downhill from there, there is no way the team (Rockets and later Lakers) will let Lin outshine their designated feature player, even if it leads to losses. Lin thought he escaped all the politics when he chose Charlotte, but turns out it’s the same old same old agenda driven plots forced to the viewers. At least Lin should be able to better handle the politics this time around since he is so experienced with it already, sigh.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    We think alike 🙂

    Here is a list of the “8 or 9 ” teams that were interested in Lin (my speculation; I’d be happy to read alternative suggestions): Hornets, Mavs, Sixers, Nets, Bulls, Grizzlies, GSW, Lakers, Spurs.

    Of these, I would also rule out Lakers and Sixers for obvious reasons. When the Spurs got LMA and when the Mavs lost DJ, those two teams were no longer available. So that left Hornets, Nets, Bulls, Grizzlies, and GSW. Hornets is obviously not working out so would any of the other 4 be better? I often argued against GSW because it would mean very limited minutes and Kerr was no Lin fan. But now that I realize how much power star players have, backing up his friend Curry could have been a safer choice. Hard to say regarding Nets, Bulls and Grizzlies. It seems like Mavs would have been good if they hadn’t tried to low-ball him so much. In the upcoming FA I think Spurs will still be a great choice.

  • Spot

    Yep. Get in the play-off sometime it’s good for them

  • occupatio

    it runs it two different directions, the numbers.
    for knee-jerk fans that only look at simple individual boxscore stats, lins stats are not striking. these ppl love ineffectual players like kemba.

    but for ppl who look at his importance in the entire unit, you can certainly say its good for lin to be feeding lamb.

    as i said before, if you look at the quarter splits, the starters are barely breaking even in 1Q, and badly losing the game in 3Q, and the main reason the team has a winning record is lin’s unit in the 2Q which is balling. of course, the boxscore watchers cannot fathom this basic fact and what it means.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    He is not being allowed to play PG and run PnRs like he was promised.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    That’s the irony. We all thought Kemba is not that great so he would need to share the stage a bit with Lin. But it’s just the opposite. They are pumping up Kemba and shackling Lin.

  • occupatio

    To the writer of the article: please note that ‘loose’ is misspelled multiple times. it should be ‘lose.’

    I’m not trying to be the spelling police here, but your writing will be taken more seriously and will be more persuasive if it does not have obvious spelling mistakes. And if people are not distracted by errors like that.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    They shouldn’t need to keep Lin down just to pump Kemba up for a trade. They should be OK to let Lin play PG for the second unit but they’re not.

  • sws94

    Yes, I found Clifford defensive about the starters. I think mostly the bench have saved the starters and have played more team basketball and gotten them back in some games after the starters dug a deficit. Cliff says starters are the better unit when asked by reporters about the bench.

    A lot of Lin’s contributions won’t be on the box score. But popcorn helps to show some of his impact. Just watching the game helps too. I wish the unit had a PnR big, that’s what would really make them tougher. And I hope Clifford slows down bringing Kemba into it, MW or Batum don’t change Lin’s role as dramatically as Kemba does.

  • JoeTeam

    yes, so I am trying to make sense of this and the only thing I can imagine is they want to trade him. But, someone here said that’s how they play KW for years, so who knows.

  • JoeTeam

    that is exactly clear we all know. It’s either going to stay that way or change, so for me it’s about accepting the ride because there is nothing we can do but go with JLin day in day out, which we do. No good news in sight, so might as well focus on other stuff who knows what.

  • JoeTeam

    Great read wu kong.

    1. wish they had FGA per minute. That could separate Lin from others.

    2. wish they had FG% somehow normalized to usage or PT, not sure how, I suspect that would separate effectiveness of JLin from KW.

    Overall this is the stuff that makes a team great, like the analysis of how important Steph is to GSW wins. It’s in his numbers.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    A lot of us realize that Lin’s OT performance in the Kings game was a turning point. People posted Kemba’s post game quotes because they sounded nice but actually he was NOT saying the right things. Paraphrasing from memory, he said something like: Our team is great because you never know who will step up on any given night. Tonight it was JLin and that’s great because it allowed me to take a breather.

    He was clearly speaking as if he’s “the Man” and bench players like Lin can step up sometimes.

    http://twitter.com/CHAHornets_Fans/status/669004947120254976/photo/1

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    It is not clear to everyone. Until this morning it was not clear to me. I used to watch every game not only hoping but even expecting Lin’s role to improve. I have a lot of respect for psalm but he and others hope that there is something JLin can do to get better treatment. More points, more assists, more FTs, less turnovers, less fouls, play error free, etc. The truth is there is nothing Lin can do. His role is predetermined. Expecting Lin to play better to improve his fate is wishful thinking and it adds insult to injury. Although I know everyone means well.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Sound like the cornerstone comment from Harden.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They did not comment on kemba +/- stats, interesting

  • 1mtoldman

    here a cornerstone. there a cornerstone. everywhere a cornerstone.

    people keep tripping over them.

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets have 31% chance of winning tonight. I think lower if they play Kemba hero-iso ball:

    https://twitter.com/BenAlamarESPN/status/673200974928957440

  • TTNN

    Not they, that’s me. I know what you are looking at and I think it is not the thing i’d like to emphasis there. I mean, I don’t want to sound like I’m picking on other player and all my other effort got discredited. So if you see something and you would like to make a point of it, go ahead, you are welcome.

  • wu kong

    superb writeup. just sayin’

  • wu kong

    this is what we need out there…. balanced, data driven

  • TTNN

    thanks. I’m pretty bad in English, so can’t promise i could improve. I don’t really proof read. I can barely keep my eyes open by the time I post it……
    Next time I will use less words….

  • TTNN

    thanks, I know you did great things out there too.

  • wu kong

    eh I play around… you are bothering to get it “published” seriously this is really great work. take a bow. and a hand shake and a pat on the back ooh and I’d get you drinks after work too if we were in the same office.

  • CT

    Good read as usual!!
    Keep up the good work please!!

  • kjch

    Hmm ok I agree with your points but I’m still not so sure about your original epiphany that hornets was a strategic blunder lol. Imo, it would be a blunder only if it was blatantly the wrong choice. But given the alternatives, I still can’t really make any solid conclusions if you know what I mean. GSW would be great if we assume Curry uses his star power to help Lin out… But hey.. What if he doesn’t? Lol then back to square one…. I previously also thought that maybe the Lin’s friendship with Dwight Howard might have helped him out on the rockets but that didn’t end up happening. Anyway… Lots of uncertainties. Personally, I’d love Lin to go to the Spurs!

  • Joe what do you know

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Logic and calm analysis, just the way I like it.

  • JoeTeam

    Well, come on over to the side that has accepted. There will be a time for enthused fandom again. JLin will provide that time as long as he is not hurt. Back to GSW days, we heard a lot of fanfare and for those minutes he did get, it was fun and the news was fun. But then we had to wait. That’s where it is now. Only later did I learn how really hard it was for JLin, and then he made good on that hard period to uphold who he is, by God, family, and himself by giving away his first class tix to other people on the team. That’s a mark of how to handle this, and so I take his lead as many here do.

  • Cookiemole

    Nick has a reputation for being a dumbass but that’s actually a very tactful response

  • JoeTeam

    Hi Everyone, Refresh to see Brian …

  • occupatio

    I understand. The rest of the piece is fine. I only point to the one part that is distracting.

    Thanks for the piece, it’s very nice work and really enjoyable to read. =)

  • Joe what do you know

    Kemba can be a very good 2nd or 3rd piece in a good team. But he just can’t really be the centre man carrying a team.

  • TTNN

    When you replace PJ with any one on this team to play with the rest starting line up, you could see you get the best NetRtg when you sub in Lin.

  • heart

    Some of us saw this coming since the beginning of the season.

  • Rick Johnson

    Is Philadelphia not allowed to score in the last 3 minutes of the game? Seems like many times you look and they are ahead and think they are actually going to win another game but they always seem to lose it in the last 5 minutes. In today’s game they were ahead and then didn’t score in the last 3 minutes allowing Denver to win.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You’re gonna make me write that essay after all 🙂 Well for one thing, after 5 years in the NBA, I would have hoped Lin was more shrewd about who he can trust. Cliff made a lot of promises. Did Lin try to verify that Cliff had all the necessary authority to keep those promises? Did he consult with MDA or any of his friends in the NBA? I know he spoke to Silas but he was probably an unwitting accomplice to the trap. Lin had other choices but he wasn’t quite sure he should trust Cliff. Remember, Lin mentioned that he prayed to help him make his decision. In the end Lin turned down the other teams because they were “only” offering backup roles. He chose the Hornets because they were clearly promising more: 30 min, sixth man, even the possibility to start. It was a strategic mistake to choose the Hornets if those were all empty promises and he’s being more marginalized than a regular backup point guard would be. As far as Curry goes, he seems to be a lot like Lin, a religious man of integrity. It just seems like a safer bet to put his trust in a powerful friend like that.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    LOL I’m just grateful they beat the Lakers.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Get someone on here to proof-read your stuff because they are very good…but many who reads them may feel put off by the obvious spelling mistakes.

  • heart

    Some of us have been saying and seeing this all along. You just validated our thoughts and concerns in your summary. Thanks.

  • heart

    Stealth tanking? At least they wanted to win against Lakers.

  • TTNN

    That’s a great idea. I will do that next time. I agree with you, got that feedback couple times already. I really hate writing, unfortunately.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    In Asian culture it would be branded as a selfish.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I’m ok with that approach and that’s my intention. I’m not posting this stuff for the sake of being negative. I just feel the need to refute those who start to criticize Lin’s game and put all the blame on Lin for his role and minutes. I have to admit though, I am disappointed in how Lin handled FA. He better get it right this summer! 😉

  • new CHI game thread

    http://www.jlinportal.com/g19-chi-cha-game-thread/

    After 2 days rest, would Jeremy Lin’s sore ankle heal enough for him to play aggressively against the Bulls? More importantly, would Clifford allow him to play extended time (22 min) like in the Bucks game with 0 TOs despite not scoring a lot?

    Scoring and Free Throws are still Clifford’s consistent way to give min to his players.

    Check out the average minutes based on JLin’s FT attempts:

    They clearly show a trend that JLin earned more Playing Time when his FT attempts increased.

    His highest average Playing minutes are 26min when he had at least 6 FT attempts.

    Let’s hope JLin find a way to draw a lot of FT attempts to help him to get PT and chance to close out games. Let’s go, JLin! Relax, be your aggressive self & just play your game on matter what happens

  • JoeTeam

    I get it … people are still arguing over a great player who is sitting, not used, etc. That stuff isn’t worth engaging because actually, I bet JLin is enjoying some time personally given there is no pressure to perform. He can afford to cruise until after ASG, then blow everything up for this contract time. He will get enough minutes as long has he toes the line now and stays healthy.

  • JoeTeam

    ps on FA, he had v little leverage coming out of LAL and their losing agenda with the Kobe noise. The only bright spot was when he and boozer opened up, and whenever NYoung tells it like it is.

  • Rick Johnson

    Kobe chucking beats Philadelphia 4th quarter scoring drought.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Kobe is the ultimate weapon in tank warfare.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    More like blatant tanking. lol

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Linobili is not allowed to start.

  • adele

    Very smart indeed, like the news they spread that they like Lin before signing him.

  • kjch

    Haha nice essay and fair enough. I can’t really comment on how Lin conducted his due diligence since I have no idea…. But I’d like to think after all the drama he’s been through, that he was extra paranoid and did in fact turn over every rock and did a very thorough job of getting all the insider info from people like MDA etc… But who knows lol. Anyway, interesting points.. and I guess only way for us to know how powerful the “friend-factor” is if he actually does go to GSW…..

  • adele

    They pumped him for the all star.

  • adele

    Correct!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Didn’t you have any faith in JLin’s ability to choose a team in FA?

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    All good points. I don’t pretend to know those things either but I do believe that Deandre Jordan’s last minute flipflop threw JLin’s FA into chaos and he may not have had a lot of time to think carefully.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    That and in general they want to keep Kemba happy which means Lin shouldn’t shine too brightly.

  • Steppen03

    Hellooo fellow JL7 fans =)
    NOW, my personal feelings for the rest of JL7’s season as a Hornets: If Lin gets 15 to 18 mpg – I’m fine. And that’s because it’s already a no surprise to me. I just don’t want to be upside about something that Lin has no control of whatsoever. Anything more than 18+ mpg for Lin is just desert for me. When I don’t expect too much than I won’t be disappointed too much. And that’s how I feel about things going forward. I don’t want to be all “high” and think about only the positives, like keep living in LaLa land, either. I know Lin will do his best regardless the situations.

  • adele

    That’s mind boggling because they know what Lin can bring and contribute to the team. They know that Lin can make everybody in the team better. Much much better. They need to open their eyes and mind.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    It is hard to understand. But just as the Knicks chose Melo, the Rox chose Harden, and the Lakers chose Kobe over Lin. So the Hornets back Kemba over Lin. Kemba has a big long term contract and MJ seems to back him.

  • heart

    Yep. You said it.

  • heart

    I did have “faith in JLin’s ability to choose a team in FA”. He did his due diligence to verify w/Coach Silas and probably w/many others, but only God knows the heart of man and what will be come. We can only based our judgement on one’s actions. And Cliff’s actions lately have given us more than enough doubts and evidence for our own conclusion.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    If Cliff’s sales pitch checked out on every level but he still turned around and betrayed Lin like this… then Lin is extremely unlucky.

  • adele

    Thanks for sharing.

  • JAD2456

    You’re welcome!