G66 DAL @ CHA Game Thread

After riding a 7-game winning streak, Jeremy Lin and the Hornets will face Dallas Mavericks on a home stretch

  • In the last 2 games, JLin had improved his shooting (7-16 FGM, 3-6 3FGM) and increased his playing time to 26 min. It remains to be seen if JLin would get more than 22 min but the only way seems to be to score a lot and shoot well.
  • On 108-94 win vs DAL (11/5/15), Lin had 7pts/2a/1r/2b/1s/4to in 17 min

Letโ€™s go, JLin! Let’s hope and pray he keeps scoring and shooting wellย to have a chance to close out games.


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  • blubell

    1st ๐Ÿ™‚
    Let’s go Jeremy!

  • KHuang

    Lin’s shot form finally looks right.

    He’s putting his knees into his shot and is not flinging the ball at the rim with a low arc.

    I predicted that once Lin got the hang of his new shot form, Lin would continue to shoot well on a very consistent basis.

    Lin has just hit his true prime. Now it’s Linsanity, but better than ever.

  • You need to keep posting 1st =)

    JLin got 16pts and 26min last game with good shooting.
    Let’s keep the streak alive!

  • cdblue10

    Lin for the win!!!!

  • Linzen

    Awesome! I thought of asking you to post first. You brought good karma to Lin’s last game… hahaha ๐Ÿ™‚

  • ็ƒญๆƒ…็š„lychee

    Go Jeremy!

  • Alain Gervais

    Laundry field on The jump a tv show on ESPN2.

  • blubell

    #Streaking lol

  • TTNN

    yeah, I feel very comfortable in his last two games. Also, he bounce better at the rim too.

  • ESPN’s power index projects @hornets to finish with 46 wins and play the Celtics first round.
    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/709392338955706368

  • Dorothy

    The good thing is Lin maybe able to school IThomas, bad thing is Celtics has a coach who actually is smart.

  • Brad Stevens definitely out-coached Clifford in their last 2 games.
    The Hornets will try their best to avoid the Celtics

    But yeah the positive is the Hornets might have to rely on JLin more on tough games

  • Grace
  • Dorothy

    I hope I am wrong, but I feel Hornets goal this year is just getting in play off. They don’t plan to get to 2nd round. Therefore, I feel during playoff Cliff and FO would rather lose than let Lin gets the credit.

  • Lefon Jang

    So much uncertainty as to where Lin will be next season. But one thing is for sure and we see it every night, Kemba ices Lin. Kemba and Lin cannot coexist on the floor together. There’s just too much jealousy and threat for Kemba to play with Lin. Lin could easily increase his touches by 30% if Kemba is a willing passer. How often have we seen Lin with an open shot or an open lane but the passes never came? Three men weave between Lin-Batum-Kemba could be unstoppable but it’s never happened. Kemba has the hot hand and shot well lately. I get that but there’s no reason for him to ice Lin other than jealousy. Their offense would be so much more efficient if Lin’s engaged. Unfortunately Hornets has been winning so I don’t see Cliff making any adjustment. Why fix it if it’s not broken right? Hornets is in search of an identity. Like all NBA teams identity comes from the ‘Star’. And we can clearly see from the medias that the Hornets is pumping Kemba to be their star and their identity.

  • rookie75094

    Let’s go Jlin! ! ! Spank the Dallas pink little ponies!!!

  • KHuang

    The best thing about the Courtney Lee trade is that it reduces Lin’s time with Walker.

    I’ve always considered Lin’s minutes with Walker to be WASTED MINUTES, though Lin always squeezes out ways to score and put up fabulous numbers due to the increased minutes.

  • KHuang

    The Hornets would crush the Celtics.

  • KHuang

    The playoffs are far less physical against Lin than the regular season is.

    Increased scrutiny of the refs, that means less race based cheat calls against Lin.

    That’s how it was against Portland, though the refs still found ways to bludgeon Lin illegally.

  • KHuang

    The bobblehead is not complete without BLOOD gushing from Lin’s nose.

  • Lefon Jang

    Just to put thing in perspective. Kemba scored 75% of the points and Lin only 25%. Could Lin have gotten more points? Absolutely if he got more touches. On the defensive end we all know who did the work! So in other words, Kemba sings Lin hums along. Is this a healthy relationship? I wonder if Jeff Zillgitt ever watch a Hornets game.

  • adele

    Healthy for Kemba but malnourished for Lins stats. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • adele

    True. They keep Kemba’s stats healthy in preparation for the all star next year. I’ve heard about all the all star Kemba next year in these commentators. Poor Lin, his stats are malnourished because they have to feed Kemba and only give scraps to Lin.

  • adele

    Kemba for loss. lol!

  • Dorothy

    LOL, exactly

  • It seems that way that the #1 priority is to win with Kemba/Batum as the stars.
    We can only hope that the temptation to win would force them to use Lin’s clutchness to win in the playoff.

  • Linzen

    Was this shared in the last thread? This is a nice 10 minute highlight by Christine.
    https://youtu.be/R1PqdEQyoms

  • Dorothy

    Let’s go Lin, make MAV regretes they did not sign you.

  • LinMad

    2 teams in a row where Lin can get revenge

  • Dorothy

    yes yes

  • 808JL7

    Oh no Kemba is Eastern Conf player of the week. Bet it will be ISO Kemba tonight.

  • Dorothy

    NOOOOOOOO

  • LinMad

    its always Kemba

  • Lefon Jang

    He credited Batum for his success!

  • DX

    Started, hope starters don’t dig too deep.

  • LinMad

    KW finger injury?

  • KWC

    Such poor start.

  • LinMad

    Did we beat the Mavs this season?

  • LinMad

    good D by Lee

  • Yascar

    Yes.

  • occupatio

    lee cant do anything off the dribble.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin in

  • Dorothy

    Wow Daniels came in , instead of Lam

  • LinMad

    Will they involve Lin early on offense or nah?

  • Lefon Jang

    wonderful!

  • Alain Gervais

    Yes troy in

  • LinMad

    Lin hit in the head again lol

  • was it bad?

  • LinMad

    that tag huer ad with Lin on it

  • LinMad

    elbow to the head

  • hope all these hits don’t build up into something serious.

  • DX

    Lamb is in doghouse now.

  • LinMad

    Troy’s 3s much needed

  • LinMad

    Aww bad foul

  • LinMad

    give Harris a technical!

  • occupatio

    that kickout by kemba should be offensive foul.

  • LinMad

    ya it should have

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Kemba hero ball isn’t falling, can we expect a loss if no adjustment is made??

  • cshot

    nope

  • Guest

    Cliff trying out new rotation?

  • LinMad

    KW is 1-5 to start the half. I think others need to be involved on O. Especially Lin and Troy.

  • cshot

    lin needs to be getting plays drawn

  • LinMad

    ya Troy before Lamb

  • sws94

    I can see why Harris was mad. He kicked his leg way out. Offensive foul.

  • cshot

    its so obvious he’s forced to give it to al or kemba. annoying as crap

  • Illbe

    they’re playing flat footed

  • Joe what do you know

    Not surprised with the call though. NBA officials give us nothing good to expect…

  • LinMad

    Kaminsky fouls Nowitzski

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Not sure I like Kaminsky game.

  • Chopz

    Tank makes way too many rookie mistakes.

  • KWC

    Such a sloppy game

  • Is Lin getting to play pg?

  • Joe what do you know

    I have to say Troy is probably a close second in terms of shooting ability amongst Lin’s teammates present or past…. He’s just automatic…. I’d probably take him over Novak though given that he’s more well rounded player…

  • LinMad

    Harris giving us problems

  • Dorothy

    What no foul call?

  • LinMad

    Cliff looks angry at Lin

  • LinMad

    Lin wants to penetrate and draw fouls

  • Alain Gervais

    Dallas playing some really good defense out there

  • Dorothy

    This referee is ridiculous. Lin hardly touch Barea, he got a foul, then 5 seconds later, he got hit, but no call

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    WOW refs are getting dirtier and dirtier each game. They continue to silence their whistle on JLin. That isn’t good!

  • LinMad

    he’s really good catch and shoot at perimeter

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin unable to get his shots so far. Al clogging up the paint a usual suspect

  • cshot

    nothing new

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin foul wasn’t on barea

  • LinMad

    I think Lin just got his first 2 FTs opportunity before the timeout

  • Dorothy

    who was it?

  • Alain Gervais

    Dallas good defense. wasn’t a foul

  • Alain Gervais

    harris

  • LinMad

    Lin drew a foul on Nowitzki

  • Dorothy

    yep, you are right.

  • Dorothy

    ohoh, missing both FT

  • LinMad

    wow that was rare

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    WOW JLin none was in.

  • blubell

    So no new ft streak?

  • heart

    Something is going on w/ the Ref… Heard Mavs commentator said something “foul not call” … I think they know it’s a foul that was not called on Lin.

  • is lin playing pg this quarter?

  • DX

    W*F, 2 missed FT.

  • LinMad

    Cliff will defend Batum, but not Lin. Lol, Cliff got a technical.

  • sws94

    Yes.

  • good to hear.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Batum can’t even make the basket on fastbreak, no good for this game. Will stubborn Cliff make any adjustment???

  • Dorothy

    3 still off

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats his only 1

  • LinMad

    excessive foul

  • Dorothy

    oh yes, he will adjust players other than KW and Batum

  • Joe what do you know

    No. The defender was fast. He blocked the shot then went straight to fast break. That says how fast he was.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin will be out after this

  • sws94

    Maybe, hasn’t done much except for the rip away.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lee and Kemba at the scorer table

  • cshot

    bye lin

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin and most of the team cant find any rhythm . Dallas playing good defense

  • Dorothy

    Go MAV

  • LinMad

    sad thing is Lin only took 2 FGA. Kemba is 1-5. But ya, Lin needs to make his free throws if he risking his body like that.

  • Alain Gervais

    Hornets have made a total of 7 shots this whole game

  • Joe what do you know

    God… Mavs are a violent bunch…

  • Lefon Jang

    I have to give credit to dallas defense thus far.

  • sws94

    Or the Hornets underestimated them.

  • heart

    Send in Hansborough to HARD foul on Anderson!

  • Alain Gervais

    yup

  • LinMad

    We’re shooting so terribly today.

  • Alain Gervais

    This may be a blow out

  • LinMad

    KW 1-6

  • Alain Gervais

    Cliff has to do something else. Starters won’t be any better

  • Dorothy

    1/7

  • occupatio

    man this game is so boring.

  • LinMad

    this is upsetting

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep I know. Heard so many times even announcers said the same. That’s why I said incompetent refs get dirtier against JLin.

  • KWC

    Missing everything, sad to watch

  • Alain Gervais

    Dallas is devouring us alive lol.

  • LinMad

    How about KW, Lin, Troy, Batum and Zeller?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The effort from both teams are night and day. Hornets are still in friendly mode and the Mavs are all out for the kill.

  • Lefon Jang

    Playoff defense. They’re trapping Kemba half court.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    The game is over for Hornets in 2nd qtr.

  • Joe what do you know

    This is like a soccer team playing against a rugby team…. The level of physicality is totally different.

  • KWC

    So much for best winning streak vs worst losing streak. Mentioning streaks is just bad karma.

  • jolno

    Kemba is trying to build his own Great Wall with all those bricks. I think this is pretty much a preview of what we are going to see in the playoffs.

  • Alain Gervais

    Hornets now 7-30

  • LinMad

    this is why Kemba centric offense won’t work against teams that prepare for him.

  • Lefon Jang

    He will get shut down in the playoff.

  • LinMad

    If Cliff wants any chance, he needs to put Lin in with KW to some of the pressure away from KW and actually draw plays for Lin.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    This is what should be expected from good coach. Wonder why other teams don’t follow this.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes, foolish Cliff/Hornets think they have gotten a gold.

  • LinMad

    2nd half, Lin needs to score a lot for any chance to win.

  • LinMad

    ya sometimes I feel like Lin just picks up the scraps on offense and has to turn it into something. The other players have plays for them.

  • james brown

    Mavs coach quick to adjust..Time out after Hornets made 2 basket, while cliff, he will call time out on cue!

  • Lefon Jang

    Cliff is very predictable. It’s like he’s following a play book.

  • Pete Roces

    Exactly, coaching staff is just ignoring Lin, they don’t know how to use their deadliest weapon, so stupid.

  • Joe what do you know

    The level of physicality, mental toughness as a team, and the ability of the coaches. These are the main determining factors for this game….

  • Pete Roces

    Speaking of coaches’ abilities, there is none in Hornets compare to Dallas’ brilliant coach.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I’ve anticipated this for a long time. Wonder why other coaches don’t follow the same!

  • heart

    Mavs Hard fouls are intentional to hurt so Hornets don’t have the strength to recover. Hornets need to do the same to these Mavs.

  • LinMad

    I just realized that the winning streak was mostly cause KW HAD to score 25-30+ points night. He can’t do that every night. This is why Clifford’s offensive plan will eventually fail. Someone needs to pick up KW’s slack when he’s not doing well and Clifford needs to make it easier for that guy to help the team.

  • james brown

    refs out of their minds..flagrant foul on not and no call on flagrant fouls..LOL!

  • sws94

    Not a flagrant. Not half as bad as the noncalls Lin gets.

  • KL

    Kemba 1-8 and 2 TOs. Charlotte, here is your superstar!

  • sws94

    Horrible game so far by the Hornets.

  • james brown

    cliffs still ok with the TO!

  • sws94

    He doesn’t play all of his game like this. Any good player can have an off game.

  • Rick Johnson

    Felton slipped.

  • james brown

    payback by ref for the wrong call!

  • KL

    Kemba is not at the level he can play well against a good team without Lin’s help. Plain and simple.

  • james brown

    see..carlisle another timeout, cliff’s still on cue!

  • james brown

    Lee is not doing anything..dynamics says put JLIN IN!

  • Joe what do you know

    The planets are just not aligned properly for Hornets today. The refs are dishing out some bloody ridiculous calls on top of everything….

  • james brown

    another TO by BATUM!!!

  • james brown

    cliff’s being outcoached by a SMART COACH!!!

  • LinMad

    The ship is sinking

  • Joe what do you know

    This game is heavily rigged in the ref briefing room….

  • LinMad

    2 more technicals on KW and Batum

  • Alain Gervais

    really fast

  • Lefon Jang

    you can hear Cliffo shouting at the background from league pass. It’s hilarious.

  • how did kemba and batum get the technicals?

  • LinMad

    KW yelled after being bumped at the 3, Batum talked to ref and got a T

  • cshot

    lol kw and datum get to do whatever the eff they feel like without worrying about getting pulled

  • james brown

    no, cliff’s just being outcoached by mavs!!!

  • thanks!

  • Alain Gervais

    We are being dominated

  • Joe what do you know

    I think TWC arena is on the brink of descending into a riot…

  • wow, Hornets can’t stop Felton from driving inside over and over again

  • Lefon Jang

    We all know who’s Mr. 4th Quarter!

  • aras

    what? the game has started already ! wow we are getting killed. how has Lin been?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is so entertaining for me.

  • james brown

    better the blow out when JLIN is not playing, so all can see why cliff’s stubbornness..no reaction and adjustment made?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    One man show exposed.

  • Pete Roces

    Nothing surprising. Coach Carlisle is one of the best out there, while Clifford..nevermind.

  • 52-33 beatdown by the Mavs after the 1st half

    Will Cliff make any adjustment?

  • sws94

    About as good as the rest of the team. Poor.

  • CaliUSMC

    Cheeseburger Felton killin the hornets lol

  • Lefon Jang

    This is a prelude to the playoff.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Honestly I’m so glad to witness this: 3 techs thus far — Cliff, Kemba and Batum!!!! They really can’t handle playoffs physical and mental games!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pete Roces

    More hero ball is the best recipe to win over MAVS – Clifford thinks.

  • Joe what do you know

    That was obvious. But the ref being one sided favouring Mavs is black writing on white paper as well

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    NopNopNopNopNopNopNopNopNopNop

  • DX

    This Hornets just not strong enough for some tough fights.

  • aras

    from the looks of his stats. im guessing he barely got to initiate offense?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    See how a coach can make big different on player? Felton 8 assists, Lin 0.

  • Joe what do you know

    Not before he grows some hair on his shiny scalp…

  • Illbe

    Flat Footed…Back Pedaling…Low Energy = Boring

  • james brown

    yeah. Mavs are physical, But hornets starters are so soft and slow reacting and adjusting, i guess its on their coach!

  • LinMad

    I don’t like how Cliff will stand up for KW, Batum and even get a technical for it but when Lin gets banged up, it’s like he doesn’t care.

  • That’s very likely .. although the normal logic would put more playmakers on the floor
    And a certain PG should stop Felton from driving inside to break down their D

  • Pete Roces

    because their supposed best players are all fake, manufactured and hyped by their media outlets. In the mean time, the real deal is rotten in the bench and being iced out while playing, stupid org from top to bottom.

  • DX

    Cilff, Kemba, Batum all get T. So who control the game?

  • sws94

    He played PG, the whole team is a mess. Lin get fouled, got the call and missed both FTs. The whole team beyond Daniels is letting Dallas bully them and the team has 3 techs called on them.

  • aras

    ah ok looks like a trap game then we got cocky after all those games eh?

  • Pete Roces

    MAVS play as a team while Hornets play hero ball and matador defense. Lin is their best facilitator, but he is being used as a statue at the corner, wtf!

  • LinMad

    Time to sit the starters and let the 2nd unit and 3rd stringers play.

  • sws94

    Definitely did not come out with the proper energy. So, yes, so far.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Exactly like a pitcher plays catcher.

  • Pete Roces

    Haha

  • sws94

    3rd. The 2nd unit stunk too except for Troy.

  • That Felton drive+Lee dunk last play by DAL summarized the real problem that Hornets can’t stop Felton from driving inside to breakdown their defense.

    Felton had 2pts/8a in 1st half.
    Someone should start defending him

  • james brown

    not really, refs are ref so hornets can’t control it, but their coach (not adjusting nor quick to respond to situations) that’s a recipe for FAILURE! (not to mentioned being outmatched.)

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Still a lot of time but this game is too far reach and I have much doubt on Clifford.

  • LinMad

    2nd unit didn’t get enough opportunity. Lin only shot twice.

  • sws94

    The way back would be a big run in the 3rd, like score 30 and hold them to 17. Somehow, I don’t see that happening.

  • Lam

    A preview of the playoffs.

  • DX

    Not only defend him, but all players need to coordinate.

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin looks good in the half time shoot around. Made just about every shot.

  • james brown

    cliff’s lost again his composure and coaching staff not helping him to think clearly!

  • Joe what do you know

    In a sense yes. But you can’t just say ref is ref and let the bad officiating get away with it. I play competitively since middle school so I know how infuriating it is when you have extremely bad refs assigned to your game.

  • grover chang

    Couldn’t watch. What the H*** is going on?

  • DX

    Really shouldn’t missed both FTs.

  • sws94

    I thought Frank and Al looked terrible and Lin never really got it going.

  • KL

    More Lin and we would have a fair chance of winning this game. The winning streak was misleading because they played against many bad teams.

  • LinMad

    i know, he did lose his mind. He’s an emotional coach. He also has favoritism towards certain players. Lin isn’t one of them cause you know there has been so many silly calls on Lin that Cliff never got upset about. But one silly call on Batum and he’s there to get a technical.

  • bolero

    only Cliff got going , he shout too much. lol

  • sws94

    obvious up and down travel by Harris and a bunch of illegal screens as well as questionable possession calls. These refs aren’t in good control of the game.

  • Lefon Jang

    That’s just it. They played against teams with no defense.

  • LinMad

    i agree with that, Al clogs up the lane for Lin. He needs plays to be drawn.

  • Dorothy

    It is ok, tiger fan ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Alain Gervais

    This is true. Our schedule is really helping us recently

  • KL

    From what I saw, Dallas playing great defence and putting a lot of pressure on Kemba. Also tough interior D against Zeller. Lin hardly had any touches. Only 2 shots.

  • LinMad

    we’ve sucked at PnR defense all season. Our bigs are too slow to stop it.

  • james brown

    thats when a coach needs his composure because pressure do come in when you can’t find a basket..need to control the flow and thats on direction of the teams coach, not on ref..(but of course refs call are really annoying!)

  • LinMad

    3 Technicals already on our team. Cliff, KW, Batum.

  • heart

    That hard foul on Lin must have really hurt. He missed both FTs. God help him to recover quickly.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes. Some of my Sunday league refs can call better than this bunch…

  • KL

    Actually I think the timeout just before his FTs messed up his routine.

  • Dan Ang

    What happened?

  • james brown

    frank did play too much and should be replaced immediately for he was disruptive during his stint!

  • LinMad

    cant believe we were held down to 33 pts for first half.

  • sws94

    Yes, disruptive. Forcing too many shots.

  • LinMad

    agree

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Which one is our team?

  • james brown

    no adjustments still, LEE’s not doing anything!

  • Lefon Jang

    If you let Dirk take open shots he’ll make you pay.

  • KL

    Dirk is still an amazing shooter.

  • LinMad

    celebrating already? We are still down 13 lol

  • james brown

    LOL!

  • heart

    Basically refs swallow their whistle so Lin got fouled after fouled w/ no calls, then when he drove to the basket Anderson hit him hard and he missed both FTs.

  • sws94

    Looking MUCH better now. Play faster, seems to be working.

  • Pete Roces

    Did hornets just won the NBA finals?

  • Dan Ang

    OIC, thanks for the info

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes. I know. But that’s coaching issue and we all know Cliff isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. I was talking about refs here and I just don’t think the issue of coaching ability should be used to make excuses for terrible officiating.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    A much smarter coach called time.

  • Alain Gervais

    If marvin don’t continue the level he is playing at the starters will struggle.

  • james brown

    on that note i agree!

  • james brown

    obviously!

  • GoJLin!

    C. Lee not doing much, but D. Lee playing great. Best wishes for JLIN!

  • LinMad

    Did the hornets celebrate too much yesterday for KW’s player of the month title?

  • Player of the Week, I think

  • adele

    True

  • adele

    Good good good!

  • adele

    Sounds good! Loving the technical on Clifford

  • adele

    Nobody?

  • kauaiblue

    Hows he doing??

  • james brown

    wrong move..they need speed and cliff put AL????

  • LinMad

    this coach knows to do PnR/SnR when Al is in.

  • adele

    But wait some people here are defending Clifford. Sometimes I thought this is a Clifford and Kemba site.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin in

  • adele

    Triple sigh!

  • kauaiblue

    That was a bs call on lee… lol

  • Alain Gervais

    yup

  • kauaiblue

    Jeremy would never get that

  • Hornets paint defense had been better to start the 2nd half + Marvin playing well.
    More ball movement on offensive end in the last possession scored by Marvin

  • Alain Gervais

    lol i was thinking that

  • LinMad

    there’s been a few bs calls this game

  • kauaiblue

    Did he do ok so far

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin would get the travelling call

  • adele

    Yup!

  • Dorothy

    trying to make up the call on Courtney lee, but Lin never got that kind of compensation

  • kauaiblue

    Hed get an offensive foul called in him.

  • LinMad

    0 pts

  • Alain Gervais

    50/50. depends how well he is doing

  • Dorothy

    not much touch, whenever he got the ball, he passed to batum or AJ. Not sure he was told to, or by choice

  • kauaiblue

    Excellent.

  • kauaiblue

    Well then, go mavs… sorry guys…

  • Pete Roces

    Has Lin ever get zero points in a game after NY days?

  • LinMad

    Cliff needs to involve Lin on offense if he really wants a push.

  • adele

    Rooting for mavs too.

  • Yascar

    Yes Lakers

  • kauaiblue

    Is this worth watching?

  • adele

    He likes and loves Kemba. Let Kemba hero ball all the way!

  • Dorothy

    I will do that after lin leaves the court

  • walker out, daniels in, hope lin gets to play pg.

  • LinMad

    I think KW might play all of 3rd and 4th. Lin will not get that many shots today. Wouldn’t be surprised if 0 pts.

  • Lefon Jang

    Is Lamb getting a DNP tonight?

  • golfhacker

    Sure looks that way!

  • kauaiblue

    Well then theyll lose…

  • GoJLin!

    If Cliff doesn’t involve Lin on offense, then well, Go Mav, at least I live in Texas!

  • Alain Gervais

    AL man always there when Lin drives

  • LinMad

    why does it seem like Lin always has to have permission to shoot it? He always has to look at Cliff and ask.

  • kauaiblue

    Al good in my book now.

  • Dorothy

    because Lin is not allowed to outshine KW

  • LinMad

    when barea scores on Al /facepalm

  • Alain Gervais

    He deserved it

  • yes, 1 time in HOU 2nd year plus 2 times in LAL

  • heart

    Lamb is in the dog house. Hope Lin get some scoring soon.

  • kauaiblue

    Dirk!

  • kauaiblue

    Goes to show that if jlin dont score, u lose.

  • Lefon Jang

    wide open

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin passing off too much

  • LinMad

    he can’t at this rate. Every play is for someone else.

  • Pete Roces

    Great, seems he will get one tonite.

  • Lefon Jang

    normally a pg should get the ball back except Lin

  • it looks like he didn’t feel the rhythm yet

    He should try to drive inside and attack first to get to FT line

  • Alain Gervais

    He should know that by now

  • cshot

    jeremy cmon man. sigh don’t blame him being so reluctant… shooting form and cliff on his neck is really stressful

  • LinMad

    ya needs to drive more, but it’s so clogged when Al is there

  • james brown

    need to be patient, plays not calling for him,need to stay playing with in the system until the opportunity comes..

  • Joe what do you know

    Man… Gotta love Marv for his dedication and energy…

  • good point .. he needs to find a way to score quickly

  • heart

    Yep. Saw him cut inside the paint, but NB didn’t pass to him on the last play.

  • Dorothy

    miss 1 FT

  • Alain Gervais

    1-2 ft

  • well, at least he’s on the scoreboard. =P

  • Dorothy

    LinMad, at least he will not be 0 pt tonight ๐Ÿ™‚

  • aras

    what is up up his ft?

  • adele

    This is the reason why Lin should not play anymore. Would you like to watch Lin playing scared to be yelled at? Getting less and lesser points or zero because of constant marginalization?

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin cant make a shot or FT right now

  • Dorothy

    did you see that, no charge call on Barea, and no call for Lin when he drove?

  • Alain Gervais

    He is not playing scared. The new shooting form is on and off

  • aras

    one of those games for lin

  • adele

    Lin should be there too.

  • kauaiblue

    If walker subs in for jlin, dirk and parsons get em

  • LinMad

    Lin is not in rhythm. 2 shots first half. 1 shot 2nd half. All missed. KW, took like 9 shots in the first half.

  • james brown

    the drive to the basket by jlin seems so off right now, no lift on his feet?

  • Alain Gervais

    Its happened a lot this year. His shooting form has been annoying

  • Alain Gervais

    It was a tough layup

  • kauaiblue

    Glad i missed most of it… frustrating!

  • sws94

    He’s been shooting them fine. Just off tonight for some reason.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He has a monkey on his back while playing. Sick of seeing every play he has to check with Cliff on sideline.

  • DX

    Must say Lin is off on O.

  • Pete Roces

    time to wait for highlights, oops, no highlights for Lin tonite.

  • LinMad

    ya 6 seconds and 4 defenders

  • adele

    Then what about avoid being yelled at?

  • heart

    Watch Cliff is calling every play for someone else when he brings up the ball. No screens for him to shoot.

  • LinMad

    Cliff doesn’t want to involve Lin in O. And this is one prime example why you need to involve Lin.

  • Lefon Jang

    and full speed

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Where’s the freedom to play point for Lin? He has to look at Cliff on sideline on every play. WTH?

  • LinMad

    Al makes it hard for KW to drive too.

  • Lefon Jang

    4th Quarter

  • Alain Gervais

    Kemba has been clutch

  • sws94

    He often is.

  • kauaiblue

    Boo…

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins shooting this year is so bad. It better be great once it settle in.

  • LinMad

    cause he’s not shackled down by his coach. If Lin didn’t have to worry about anything, he would be playing well too.

  • sws94

    Or maybe because he’s a good player.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s how you can play without the monkey on your back.

  • Lefon Jang

    he has the green light to shoot

  • Alain Gervais

    Cliff yells at him(coaching) on defense usually

  • Lefon Jang

    there’s no way Lin could hoist up shots like that. Be fair!

  • Alain Gervais

    Kemba shooting coach just did a great job. His shooting percentage before was way worse then lin. He was playing a ton before this

  • LinMad

    next team he’s on he will improve. It’s all coach and the unit he’s on making hard to do anything but defend.

  • Dorothy

    sure, such a good player did not show up for 5 years
    It is very hard for you to resist praising I understand. You finally got the chance. Must be hard for you for the past several days

  • cshot

    its so dang annoying. not getting to see lin make his own plays with a pnr. he’s just “setting the offense” which is a play drawn for kemba/batum/jefferson

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yes good 6-15

  • noob

    unless things change drastically, Lin is going to be at best a role player going forward

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s true. But it takes more than freedom to be clutch…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Career 1 playoff appearance and got swept.

  • kauaiblue

    Shoit the dam ball…

  • LinMad

    Lin’s screen knocked someone out

  • Dorothy

    but but, he is a great player in Cliff, Cho and sws eyes

  • Alain Gervais

    Its shooting form

  • Alain Gervais

    david lee.

  • heart

    KW missed first five 3s; has the ball in his hands the entire time; has consistent minutes and able to play through mistakes; has screens for him to shoot. And he usually does lots of shooting when playing w/Lin.

  • adele

    I really wonder why this person likes to praise Kemba in a Lin forum. I really don’t understand. Anybody enlighten me!

  • sws94

    He’s scoring when it counts.

  • LinMad

    why is Frank always inbounding when he sucks at it?

  • sws94

    I’m fair. Saying he doesn’t make big shots or plays isn’t fair. Just given fair credit when someone always says it is for some reason other than Kemba is going out there and having the confidence to make big plays for his team.

  • sws94

    Lin is playing flat for him. He played well last game, this game he’s flat.

  • is lin in? he hasn’t been mentioned in the play-by-play the whole quarter.

  • Dorothy

    yep, he should host a kemba.com lol
    but he likes to come over here pretending to be a Lin fan, then bashes Lin at the dot net with other trolls.

  • sws94

    It does.

  • aras

    second half of this season Lin has been rough to watch to be honest. hoping he turns it around.

  • kauaiblue

    Al good

  • Alain Gervais

    Not really involved all game

  • Alain Gervais

    Id rather Lin go 0-10 then 0-3

  • LinMad

    Lin drew a play for Al right there

  • kauaiblue

    Yeah, its been frustrating… playoffs maybe?

  • kauaiblue

    Jeremy still in? Whos out?

  • Alain Gervais

    Take Lin out.

  • kauaiblue

    Ok, if jeremy is out, then mavs crush em

  • Alain Gervais

    Batu will come in next for Lin

  • LinMad

    man other players slacking on defense

  • Guest

    Lin is playing like a setter in volleyball. It will be fine if hornets win

  • james brown

    again????

  • LinMad

    u sure? It’s our defense taking a hit

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin just not involved at all

  • how’s lin doing on defense?

  • kauaiblue

    Hes just so defering again.. shoot it!

  • LinMad

    he just wants to set the offense and play defense. I think he’s not in rhythm to score. 3 shots only this game.

  • Alain Gervais

    yup.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    But if he didn’t miss that many they wouldn’t be in this place.

  • james brown

    its cliff!

  • Joe what do you know

    Not a bad thing. Lin is a good person. He likes praising other people. As his fan I think praising other players can give Lin the benefit of good karma as well. That’s my personal belief. Bad mouthing others attracts bad karma and vise versa. ๅนซๆ›ธ่ฑช็ฉไธ€้ปž้™ฐๅพทใ€ๅฃๅพทโ‹ฏ

  • cshot

    ok. but it doesn’t look like he’ll be on the floor for much longer

  • sws94

    Looks that way. Love that deflection he made, so him plan and time it. But he just couldn’t get it going much this game for some reason.

  • LinMad

    well, but the rest of the team isn’t doing well.

  • Alain Gervais

    This is a lose

  • NONONO

    Lin needs to take shots. that is how Kemba improve his shooting.

  • adele

    Nope! I love to taunt the Kemba and Clifford fans here though. I’m enjoying this!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin doesn’t need this. He should be out of Charlotte as soon as he can.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lee is shooting better then Lin right now.

  • heart

    Cliff and teammates don’t involve Lin in their offense. He mostly plays defense during this stretch so far for others to score and to catch up w/ Mavs lead.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is not a SG. He’s effected PG.

  • sws94

    The whole team missed. Stepping up is when you do it in the 4th and he’s doing it. If Lin was doing what Kemba did this quarter, we’d praise him and rightfully so. Just being even . Kemba has turned a bad game around with his 4Q play. So far.

  • LinMad

    ok so Cliff wants more offense rather than defense. I think this is a lost.

  • yes, this catch-and-shoot role doesn’t suit him.

    He needs to dribble the ball to be effective

  • kauaiblue

    Good.

  • Alain Gervais

    HE played pg in the third and the 2nd he still didn’t do well

  • LinMad

    When Lin is in with Al, all he really can do is set up Al.

  • Alain Gervais

    yup

  • golfhacker

    Lin can’t finish at the rim anymore.

  • james brown

    kam is the off player with the hornets…

  • kauaiblue

    I cant believe im cheering for parsons and deron williams

  • LinMad

    not with Al

  • sws94

    And you need a thicker/fairer skin? I come here and praise Lin most of the time and I’ve said plenty times Kemba was playing horribly. In a game thread, you just tell it as the game unfolds.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He’s not suppose to shoot too much as a pg. He needs to set plays for his teammates to score. That’s the PG job.

    He put this team 19 pts behind mostly by himself.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Good both Batum and Kemba are going to play 40 min game…..

  • cshot

    lol he wasn’t playing pg. he was the guy that dribbled the ball across half court.

  • Dorothy

    I know, sad right?

  • Alain Gervais

    This season is the worst shooting of Lins career

  • GameWatcher

    Zeller and Kaminsky bein useless again.

  • BobbyH

    By the order of Cliff.

  • adele

    Really? So you’re telling me that at this point it’s going to be a Kemba praise forum here?

  • leeda harun

    i want to hear cliff postgame

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    3333333333333333 Parsons. I hate this team.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    What was the score when JLin was out??

  • sws94

    Lin set up very little as PG. He just didn’t get his team going as a PG in this game. He’s done better, it’s not his game this game. Kemba is a scoring PG, like Irving and others. PGs in today’s game score too.

  • heart

    So please don’t blame Lin why he’s not scoring. The ball is not passed to him for scoring; it’s for decoy and give and go.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Bring the ball up and pass and stand corner yes.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin only shot 3 times

  • leeda harun

    I never blame lin.it is up to the coach to win a game

  • sws94

    The point is that if Lin does what Kemba does, make big shots in the 4Q, we praise him. And rightfully so. So when Kemba does it, if we don’t at least say every once in awhile that he made a good play, we’re hypocrites.

  • grover chang

    Ok. We all could see Lin is not shooting well. We don’t need reminders every third post. Like Chinese water torture.

  • LinMad

    take Lin out and the defense takes a big hit. Now we’re down 10.

  • HVJoy

    7: 53 Lin is out

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Only those so called fans blame him relentlessly.

  • Joe what do you know

    I don’t see nobody blaming Lin here….

  • kauaiblue

    Oh no, leenis making em

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    What was the score then?

  • adele

    So it’s ok if he yells at Lin and not on other players if they make mistakes and not plying defense. Lin should not make mistakes but Kemba and Batum can?

  • aras

    easily Lins worst game this season and i only watched 1 quarter that was all i needed too see. very frustrating too see lin like this. waste of time.

  • LinMad

    this is why focusing on Lin’s offense only is a bad thing. If he isn’t shooting, he’s playing defense. He’s the glue for this team cause he knows how to feed the ball to players who are hot.

  • leeda harun

    The so called fans who comes when he is not doing well

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He is not allow to set any offensive play. He brings ball up then give it to KW, Batum or Jeff.

    If he’s the scoring pg the why needs Lin to play with him?

    Don’t you even watch the same game we’re watching?

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin is too good of a scorer to have both marvin willliams and Lee scoring more then him on a consistent basis.

  • HVJoy

    84-79 Dallas

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    What can JLin do when this is the only thing stubborn Cliff wants him to do.

  • adele

    Now some people wants a Kemba praise movement here. Go ahead make your day!

  • kauaiblue

    Heh heh… clifford, u fool

  • LinMad

    coaching has his offensive chips in certain players but not Lin.

  • Dorothy

    I can not believe I am happy Felton hits a 3

  • sws94

    Oh yes he is. Let’s not make a bunch of excuses. Plenty of times Lin has made plays in the past as PG when he needed to get it going. If Lin was playing his game, he’d keep his dribble alive and create. He’s been picking up his dribble and when he passes the ball, he didn’t even look like he wanted it back. Lin did not play a good offensive game today. He had a bad game.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes dude. He’s always looking to contribute one way or the other. He never quits. He’s our boy

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Anyone knows the score when JLin checkout out??

  • If anyone is looking for any +, this game probably helped to convince JLin more to move on next season.

    This catch-and-shoot role is not good for him.
    He needs to dribble the ball as a rhythm shooter.

  • leeda harun

    cliff thinks hornet can enter playoff that easily..lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    GOOOOOOOO MAVSSSSSS

  • Alain Gervais

    These excuses are annoying

  • Guest

    Lin the setter

  • C Chan

    Me too.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Another 33333333333333333

  • LinMad

    btw, ever since Lin has been marginalized, I haven’t seen MJ at any home games. A coincidence or MJ bumping heads with coach?

  • leeda harun

    Lets wait..not long now

  • golfhacker

    Mavs doing this with Dirk on the bench. Carlisle knows how to coach, unlike Clifford.

  • 5pt lead.. 84-79

    It’s DAL 13 pts lead now

  • adele

    Good!

  • james brown

    both catch and shoot players..JLIN is a PG who cliffs wants as a defensive SG only.

  • aras

    cant be all on clifford. He took 3 shots. sometimes he needs to call his own ticket and go for his own. this is not the spurs. he shot the ball 3 times and missed 3 freethrows thats all i need too see for me to know he was passive this game. Courtney lee will probably play a lot more if this continues which is a shame because Lin is a better player.

  • Lefon Jang

    I don’t think so

  • Dorothy

    no, Cliff said he talks to MJ constantly

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They should take back player of the week award back.

  • leeda harun

    Mj to busy with other things

  • HVJoy

    cannot believe I am rooting for Felton and D Williams!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin talks about how unselfish the team is and about His struggles with his shooting. You cant say its the coaching When Lin has scored much more in worst situations

  • yes… it’s hard to watch Lin not playing to his strength :[

  • kauaiblue

    No, jordan is owner… he calls the shots…

  • LinMad

    Mavs doing this with Lin on the bench.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep I know. I just missed to record down when JLin was out:-)

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks!

  • LinMad

    do you really think Lin thinks his teammates are unselfish when he barely touches the ball?

  • sws94

    Alain, do you find Lin shying off from finding his offense many games? He was looking for his own shot and playmaking in Houston, but for me, Lin did not much in this game. He didn’t get to the line much, didn’t shoot much, when he had the ball looked to get it to others, I don’t see how he can play effective when he isn’t decisive and having direction in his game looking to playmake/score.

  • james brown

    so commentators are accepting Dallas is the better team.LOL!

  • Alain Gervais

    He said that

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nonsense, this team was mainly run by KW and Batum. Lin was clearly a service ball handler not a offensive Plays maker.

  • Kemba can score well because JLin helped to set him up
    Lee just doesn’t do it for Kemba

    But Cliff doesn’t recognize it.. so he deserves the loss

  • james brown

    he’s not looking to shoot the 2nd half..move on next game!

  • leeda harun

    Ha ha…

  • grover chang

    Got it. Lin is shooting badly. Please stop trying to drill this point all night long. Game is painful enough. Lin is human

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    So glad Mavs has a 13 pts lead now:-)

  • aras

    this i agree with so much. dont understand people saying he is good at playing that role.

  • sws94

    They can’t win this game. Lin just didn’t have it tonight. This game, Lin was needed.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Hope Cliff stays with this 5 toward the end.

  • Alain Gervais

    Just frustrated. This year has gone to sh…..

  • Dorothy

    was wondering what Ready has to say, I am watching Mav feed

  • leeda harun

    Lin is not needed in this game..

  • Joe what do you know

    Did I say that? Lol. Please don’t take things out of context. My point is that it’s not a bad thing because we as Lin fans can look to contribute anyway we can to our boy. I just look at it as contributing good karma for Lin. Unless you don’t have a good understanding of what karma is…

  • sws94

    Some games we need to move on, say Lin didn’t have it. I don’t find it useful to go on about how bad his team mates are. They tried, but not enough guys played well enough to win tonight.

  • Lefon Jang

    very quiet

  • LinMad

    its over

  • GameWatcher

    Kemba the defensive salve

  • heart

    During the stretch when Lin was in, he helped with defense bc no one involved him in the offense. He was allowed 3 freaking attempts for 18:57min. He helped w/ defense so KW/NB and others can score to even out the score and once it did Cliff took him off the floor. So please don’t tell me that he should stay w/ this team!

  • Felton just put Kemba-move on Kemba

  • LinMad

    u know Mavs coach is smart for slowing the game down and running the clock

  • GoJLin!

    JLIN out at 4thQ 7:53, CHA is 79 to 84. Now is 92 to 105!

  • Dorothy

    Exactly, Cliff did not want Lin plays his game

  • kauaiblue

    No lin, no win

  • Dorothy

    LOL

  • Alain Gervais

    Once Lin couldn’t find nothing i knew it was over. The bench with Kemba usually gets the finishing group a big lead. Without it . They will lose often

  • leeda harun

    Of course. Carlislle is top 3 coach in the league

  • Joe what do you know

    Gee…. Pretty boy is doing good in Dallas…. Kind of wish Lin is in the same team as him… (Have to say though I don’t really like Pretty Boy… Taking advantages of Lin’s publicity)

  • grover chang

    So am I. But keep repeating the negative starts to sound like you are celebrating his struggles. Lin is a good player. Period. He could do a lot in the court including score. Had done it this year and numerous times before that. Tonight is not his night. He has never been Curry. What player coming off the bench has?

  • leeda harun

    After how many loss…lol

  • LinMad

    Something wrong when your rookie Frank takes 7 shots, more than Al’s 3, more than Lin’s 3, more than Troy’s 4.

  • NONONO

    Time to put Lamb back in.

  • adele

    That’s why I’m saying before the game started… Kemba for the Loss! Sorry guys but I don’t know if you listen To Kemba being interviewed before the game started and it’s all a staged question about Batum helping him this year. Really? I’m happy that Lin is not going to bail them out anymore. It’s a good thing if Clifford will put him in the doghouse beside Lamb. His stats is really suffering and this will affect his free agency.

  • sws94

    If they wanted to win, a big 20 point 6 assists night was needed. Lin didn’t have it this game. Not the only one, a lot of other players didn’t either. But if Lin had it when the game was tied, Lin could have done his 4Q magic helping his team to a W. But not to be tonight.

  • LinMad

    Troy was good.

  • leeda harun

    Cliff smart plan..lol

  • Lefon Jang

    No respect!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Everything is wrong today starts with Clifford. This is one man show score first PG looks like. He freezes everybody else.

  • Alain Gervais

    I have to say. Rox style of offense is far more open court. Fit Lin the best of any team he has played with since Knicks .This style Lins shooting will need to be better

  • kauaiblue

    Yeah, wierd feeling.

  • LinMad

    2nd unit barely took shots though cause KW was in there babysitting.

  • Alain Gervais

    nope

  • adele

    Me three! ๐Ÿ‘

  • leeda harun

    No..i hate the rox to the highest level..lol

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah. I meant his status in the team as a solid starter and the coach’s willingness to place trust in him…. I wish Lin has that…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yeah but he just hates this team more.

  • kauaiblue

    Rox will always be the worst.

  • aras

    to be honest he wasnt getting involved a lot. thats on cliff as well. You put a lot of it on Lin when offense is not run through him. he is the 3rd ballhandler if even that anymore. If cliff was smart he would have utulised him much better. It was needed and this is just another example that cliff is not a good offensive good. good defense terrible offense.

  • sws94

    I remember a lot of frustrations with the Rox. Not a lot of pick and rolls when Asik or Smith didn’t play. Harden hogging the ball and over-dribbling. Parsons freezing Lin out. I don’t know. There was more transition play, that was good for Lin.

  • LinMad

    i agree. Lakers style was worse than Hornets but I still think Hornets style is not good for Lin.

  • james brown

    yeah troy was better even on defense than lamb and with same capability..yet cliff has no plays for him when he’s hitting..maybe because KW was the PG and our Pg doesn’t follow set plays.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yes but not even close to this level with the Hornet next to Kemba under Clifford.

  • sws94

    Exactly. A strong game from Lin and someone else on the bench was needed. But primarily Lin.

  • Alain Gervais

    Old Lin form would be a better. This new style better eventually shoot over 40 percent from 3. This season won’t be worth it if he doesn’t shoot that high

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    So glad Cliff and starters are exposed now. This is what happens when they play good teams.

  • leeda harun

    ciff..it is time to reignite BF 1..

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Starters still out. LOL. Cliff is being schooled.

  • leeda harun

    Ha ha. ?true

  • Alain Gervais

    The culture was the worst. yes. Play style fit Lin though. Harden iso was not good. Lin also played a lot.

  • Alain Gervais

    Not with Al there

  • LinMad

    I think all the teams know how to shut down KW now after the 7 game winning streak. Cliff will have to make adjustments and get Lin involved.

  • HVJoy

    I hate Rockets. That was where marginalization of
    Lin started.

  • sws94

    Fair. I just think Lin as PG didn’t hold his dribble and look to be the guy getting the others going. But Cliff didn’t call plays for Lin. I think in this game, Lin was the primary PG and as primary PG, he didn’t get going nor did he really get the offense going. He elected to go through Al or Batum.

  • Joe what do you know

    Lots of transitions that was right. But I think it also has something to do with them being the youngest team in the league back in Lin’s 1st year with them. Plenty of capable legs to run…

  • leeda harun

    Serve him right..lol

  • Alain Gervais

    As long as al is in the paint Lin will struggle if his shot isn’t there

  • leeda harun

    Al can rest..it is up to the coach

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This iso score first pg created by Clifford is being exposed by the Mavs unselfish ball movement. MANY more to come.

  • Alain Gervais

    We have to also be honest. The last 7 game wa part momentum and part Bad teams. We are not that good. The schedule is just easier

  • sws94

    I see no difference. Harden really holds the ball a lot. That’s why PGs don’t do well with him and he needs the 3 and D type player next to him. At least Kemba is playing the PG spot and is supposed to handle the ball the most.

  • Dorothy

    no, after tonight’s game, I feel Cliff is determined to not let Lin play his game, even that means loss

  • Alain Gervais

    (style)

  • LinMad

    Lin took 3 shots only. People think that will actually impact a game. You want Lin to take more shots, ask cliff to draw up some good plays for him like he does to everyone else.

  • james brown

    if MOrey will be fired, Harden/Bev traded..rox will be a good destination for Jlin (clutch forum can be disregarded)

  • adele

    Hope so.

  • heart

    Until losing streak begins endangering playoffs stand, Cliff won’t change as long as KW/NB get stats.

  • leeda harun

    If you can balance offense and defense..you can win.

  • sws94

    He’ll probably get Lee more involved as Lee is more consistently having good games lately. Lin is the X factor. If he’s on, Cliff goes with him. If not, he gets high-teens to low 20 minutes. Clifford figures he’ll play good D and hustle.

  • HVJoy

    Sad to see Felton and D Williams both played starter for > 30 min, and Lin got only 18 from bench.

  • james brown

    yeah, pairing Al with Jlin is a mistake, for Al clogged the lane for a slashing Pg.

  • sws94

    Kemba was also bound to cool off. In fact, he may cool off a lot and get cold in the playoffs.

  • adele

    Yes as long as Kemba gets his fat stats.

  • LinMad

    and 3 shots. Someone has to pay for KW’s missed shots early game.

  • Joe what do you know

    That speaks volume about Mavs’ PG depth. DWill I can understand. But Felton….

  • sws94

    RIght, he usually shoots at least 8.

  • Dorothy

    You know no matter how well Lin plays, has nothing to do with whether Cliff plays him. Do no try to blame Lin for inconsistency hence no PT. Remember what happened after CAV game???

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Harden did passed the ball to Lin in the corner which Kemba never did.
    Harden let lin play pg 30% with him and 100% when he sits. Kemba and Batum never did.
    Lin has many PnR with Asik, Smith and Howard. He has none here NONE.

  • aras

    Its on Lin as well. If plays arent run for him he needs to get do it his own way which he can. But if cliff so desperatly needs him for the win he should run more plays for him. something to give him a easy basket to get him going. Lin has been so under utulised the second half of this season since after cavs game its laughable, i mean the guy can help you. Sure courney lee had 12 points but they were the most MEH points ever just like last game. he is a solid player but not a game changer never will be. Again this just tells me Lin cant stay in this team. He is not a off ball player, sure he has become better at it but still its not good. believe it or not i think he would be perfect for the spurs. Team ball and everything thats where i would not care how his stats looked because there is a bigger picture there. This team is all about lobbying for your star players. I mean look what Collins said this game when they were down like 10. OH the dominant backcourt of Lee and kemba outplays Dallas backcourt. Really?

  • leeda harun

    Harris and barea is too short..lol

  • heart

    We’ve been saying that the schedule has been easy for Hornets playing at home w/ bad team. Mavs heard about Hornets 7-win game streak and they did their homework to put an end to it w/ good coaching and game plan.

  • Alain Gervais

    He was in late took 3 shot then. Not with the bench

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yes I hate the Rockets BUT let be real:

    Harden did passed the ball to Lin in the corner which Kemba never did.

    Harden let lin play pg 30% with him and 100% when he sits. Kemba and Batum never did.

    Lin has many PnR with Asik, Smith and Howard. He has none here NONE.

  • LinMad

    and part KW having to score 25-30+ points like he can do it consistently every game. If that’s the only way Cliff thinks we can win games, we’re in for a treat.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yup

  • sws94

    Lin did not look to either playmake or take his shot enough this game. I think he had a bad game. On to the next. Lin may be great in the next game. Hope so.

  • james brown

    but i think harris is better than felton…carlisle balance the guard for the Mavs with Dwill and felton for starters and Harris and Barea bench

  • xeroid

    Lin’s job was pass to Batum or Al, coach doesn’t want him to force the issuer.

  • BobbyH

    Not even the screens. How many screens he got this game?

    Whenever Walker got the ball, the screens were there.

  • Alain Gervais

    The style was more open which is isn’t here since al went to the bench. He new shooting style is also worst then before

  • sws94

    He really didn’t have it as PG tonight. Happens. Moving on to the next game. I’m still hoping Lin’s hot streak comes end of season into the playoffs. We’re not quite there yet.

  • Joe what do you know

    I have seen a few PNR attempts for Lin in the Hornets. But WAY too few for the benefit of the team. And most of the time the big men just didn’t know how to roll correctly…

    But again…. I hate rockets… Period!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    For this kind of night my comfort is to count:
    End of regular season:
    14 more games to endure
    30 days to go
    FA: 3 months 16 days

  • sws94

    Much of the time Lin looked like he was setting picks in the paint, not going to the corner. And Lin had the choice to dribble more, he picked up his dribble too much this game.

  • james brown

    well right now, Cliffs high on Lee and JLIN’s performance will not dictates a changes with Cliff’s cue plan especially when they are winning..so right now, Cliff is happy that thei team is doing ok with his made up rotation.

  • Alain Gervais

    I heard by the broadcasting team that Lin said this team was the most unselfish and team oriented team he has been on since high school. Take what you may from that

  • heart

    Yep. DWilliams is 6’3″ and Felton is 6’1″. Both are starters. Why is it working for them and not Lin? Sick of the excuses from Hornets/Cliff.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If you run and run and run to play D without touching the ball much, your shooting will be off.

  • BobbyH

    16 games, unfortunately.

  • HVJoy

    Cliff was out-coached by Carlisle.

  • Alain Gervais

    Free agent with what.Stats worse then last year. Hope the defensive stats help.

  • heart

    Propaganda from front office.

  • Alain Gervais

    Al is the main issue. He removes attacking the basket from Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Very few in few games. Kemba and Batum do have PnR with Zeller so this team do have just not designed for Lin.

  • BobbyH

    Yes, 3 out of 66 games, where the team beat Raptors, Cavs and Rox.

  • Alain Gervais

    doubt it. He said it

  • HVJoy

    I agree. And, Cliff was out-coached by Carlisle.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s the offense the coach calls for not Al’s fault.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin said it. He really like these guys. He is struggling but He still likes this group of guys

  • MomentousPetey

    LOL, Cliff’s offensive game plans are ineffective, in fact I don’t even think he even knows how to draw up plays…hence losing to well-coached teams.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah I can attest to that. I’m the 3 and D guy in my team. When my teammates get slack on D, I have to cover for them and do most of the running around. That severely throws my shooting touch off…

  • james brown

    Cliff is the one making the plays….the second unit is no longer the bench because it is a hybrid of starters and bench..starters are a true starters right now because they have been given and allotted EXACT PT all games.

  • Alain Gervais

    Al is killing the bench. Why isn’t he starting

  • xeroid

    The problem was Hornets was down 19, and when starter started the come back, Lin’s job was defense and passed the ball to Al. He doesn’t have the freedom to shoot 3 or initiate offense.

  • BobbyH

    The only offense play he set up is to yell at Lin to move the ball.

  • sport

    Minus Kemba of course.

  • Alain Gervais

    no he is included

  • james brown

    move on to the next game…this is not the end of it right now because future are still set to be made.

  • MomentousPetey

    Thats okay to me, he is a vocal type of coach…he just isn’t really competent…=)

  • Alain Gervais

    All of Lins issues has been line up change and role changes. The 3rd main problem is his shooting.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No bench player has 6th man minutes. They all have bench minutes.

  • james brown

    if the only factor is Liking your co players, so you are right here, But WE KNOW ITS NOT the only factor for his decision come next FA!

  • HVJoy

    He said it after the Rockets win, perhaps just speaking about the specific game.

  • BobbyH

    Yeh, right, vocal to selective few.

  • Dorothy

    Only vocal to players not named KW nor Batum?

  • Alain Gervais

    yea thats true

  • xeroid

    Well, that may be true after Linsanity. With Harden, Kobe, Kemba was marginally better during the last week before tonight.

  • james brown

    they played teamball that time.

  • leeda harun

    it is coach double standards that make things difficult

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Hornets drop to #6 after this loss.

  • Alain Gervais

    16 games left. A change would be quite sudden

  • leeda harun

    lin said before fans dont know what is really going on behind the scene…

  • james brown

    again!

  • Alain Gervais

    If marvin stats drop The starters will struggle. He took 17 shots.

  • Dorothy

    that is why they predicted Hornets will meet Boston at first round

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    0-3 was not the problem. Only allowed 3 attempts was.

  • leeda harun

    good. Sooner the management knows that their team just a mediocre team not a contender the better

  • Alain Gervais

    Nope 40 percent fg percentage and 31 percent from three is

  • heart

    Have you not heard Lin said anything different from almost every team he’s been on? He’s talking about teammates on personal level, but on-court is a different matter. His teammates have a coach who looks out/ involves them in the offense, why should they complain.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good. They should be 8 then 9 then people can wonder why Lin will leave the Hornets when he’s happy here. LOL

  • leeda harun

    kw and batum cant take this team far…lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So 1-1 is 100% like Tyler has sometimes would be a great shooter?

  • james brown

    give it to him..we are just following him and he has to do it on his own and the only one being affected by it..he’s also frustrated as his recent statement the even he himself doesn’t understand why the new form is not working for him but he believed it will be because he knew that it need to be changed right now to be better later!

  • leeda harun

    We have to wait.

  • HVJoy

    (happy?)

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes JLin was interviewed when he played good games and the team was play teamball. Of course, as compared to teams that he has played (can’t comment on Warriors) — Knicks, Rox, Lakers and Hornets, obviously this is the team is the “most” unselfish team he has played with. After ill-treatment from Rox and Lakers, he is literally fighting to get “his” games going. Once again, Cliff/Hornets has broken their promises. Cliff is just a very very good politician among those coaches JLin has. I’m not being fooled.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He’s doing his job on and off the court.

  • golfhacker

    Because Zeller would be killing the bench.

  • aras

    Even charlotte fans say Lin needs more touches and usage that says it all really to how cliff has played him after the cleveland game thats where everything went south. Again Courtney lee fits better with kemba thats the only reason. Lin is playing with al which is not helping.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    16 more games to play and most of them are on the road. They are not in good position to mess around with iso ball hog hero basketball. Tonight game was a good lesson when they face against unselfish ball movement team.

  • leeda harun

    cliff thinks he knows best

  • heart

    Three technical fouls: Cliff, KW, NB. Three leaders of the team got techs; Core players got stats but the result is a loss! One proven player, Lin, whom could have helped w/ offense, but was left out. Lin played defense mostly so KW & NB could get stats. Once the score was tied, then like clock work, Lin was taken off the floor to sub in Lee. Then Mavs went on a run and won the game. Did I miss anything?

  • HVJoy

    18 min PT and 3 fga! What a shame!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Probably 2% usage.

  • leeda harun

    nope…you are right

  • The funny thing was Lin’s dribble-drive help to free up Kemba while Lee is purely 3 & defend.

    Kemba & Marvin have been hot with 3s.
    When teams can stop that, Cliff will need Lin to help Kemba score
    It might happen sooner than later if more teams saw how DAL defended Kemba

    Lin/Zeller is definitely better than Lin/Al

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even Lin was almost allowed to do nothing on the offense, he still helped the team with spreading out and defense.

  • HVJoy

    Only if the coaches are able to learn!

  • aras

    Zeller is definatly miles better for the second unit than Al. Al just kills any type of penetration to the basket, it gets too clogged up. It’s basically Pass the ball to al in the second unit. Cliff cant play offense he does not know it. He has kemba and he has Al he does not like to deviate from what he is comfortable with. If kemba or someone else does not have a hot game it’s over. Lin is needed in this team but he is being used like he is nothing. which is mad annoying.

  • leeda harun

    well if you compare to lamb…lamb in the dog house

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yes it is 5 home games and 11 away games. Even though they play mostly non playoffs team, if they continue to play heroball, they might drop from playoffs scene as the leverage between #6 and #9 is only 5 wins.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Chicago wins tonight, Hornets now only 3.5 game out of playoff picture.

  • HVJoy

    Excuse me. No comparison. I like the other Jeremy, but am a fan of this Jeremy only.

  • sws94

    Zeller actually rolls. When TH is in he PnRs with Lin. Al, every 9th play PnRs with Lin.

  • sws94

    He didn’t play well. The 18 minutes tonight was justified. He played 26 in the Houston game. But he played way, way better in the Houston game.

  • HVJoy

    You bet!

  • sws94

    They’re used to Zeller who plays better defense and has good offensive chemistry with Batum.

  • HVJoy

    You are welcome. I have been a lurker here for quite a while, enjoying many posts and links by you. A big “Thank you” to you.

  • Dorothy

    I understand, It is ALL Lin’s fault, SMH

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOL You can continue to put JLin down all you want but some of us know better.

  • HVJoy

    Well. I remember Coach Cliff himself said that
    a player can not be really effective/get into rhythm with PT less than 20 minutes at the beginning of the season.

  • sws94

    Players have bad games Dorothy. Other Lin fans thought he played poorly today as well. And I did say he played better in the Houston game, where he played quite well. He dropped off tonight for whatever reason.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Simple fact is when JLin was taken out on 4th qtr at 7:53 it was 84 v 79 with 5 pts lead. When the game was over it was 96 v 107. The game was loss because of Cliff and starters.

  • heart

    What does he mean Lin didn’t play well? SMH! He was not allowed to be involved in the offense, for heaven’s sake. He got only 3 attempts. While on the floor, Lin helped w/ defense to allow NB/KW and others to score and got the scores to a tie, then Cliff pulled him from the floor. But guess what happened next, defense collapsed when Lin was out and Mavs went on a run and won the game!

  • sws94

    What did Lin contribute? I don’t even think his defense was a strong as usual. If Lin was drawing fouls, going to the line, doing the sort of Lin stuff that helps the team I’d not agree with taking him out at 7:53. But Batum was making shots and such, so him coming in for Lin made sense once he got his rest.

  • sws94

    Not putting Lin down. He had a bad game. Sometimes that happens. But we don’t need to always find excuses. Sometimes players don’t have good games.

  • Acbc

    Lin saved the day for kW when he went 1/14 against Kings. 1/14 to finish with 5/22! Why is it that Lin shoots 0-3 and you scream bloody murder? How does a player ever get going if a coach won’t let him work through a cold start? How does a player ever feel comfortable if all he knows is if he misses a couple of shots, he gets marginalized?

    Even Stef Curry has bad nights. Come on! Stop beating down Lin every time he gets yanked around by Clifford.

  • Dorothy

    look KW was 1-8 before his shot picked up a little. Lin never had the chance to do that and people are blaming him had a bad game. Give me a break.

  • aras

    Did not watch the game full but even charlotte fans are saying he is not getting nearly enough touches. and from what i saw second half that seems too be the story of it all. Houston he had the ball a lot if remember correctly he got into a flow and had a good game.

  • sws94

    What do I mean? He didn’t hold his dribble and picked it up as PG. That’s not effective PG. Earlier in the season and when Lin plays well he doesn’t pick up his dribble.

    He didn’t draw fouls on players like he usually does.

    When he got the ball he tended to not look to make the assists or advance plays like he does when he plays well, he just sort of wasted seconds off of the clock.

    He took few shots and only took 4 foul shots.

    In other games Lin has helped the team go on runs in the 4Q, or got to the line, or made big deflections. Not this game. He did not impose his will. Therefore, not a good game from him. The picking up the dribble and not getting the offense going in a rhythm, maybe too much dumping down to Al or whatever it was, for me was the element that made him look not effective in this game. And that wasn’t balanced by making shots.

  • heart

    Mavs won and moved up 7th; Rox dropped to 8th. Hornets dropped to 6th. Hawes continues to be on injury list. Lamb is in the dog house. And if Cliff continues to give Lin these kind of minutes and role, I rather Lin gets early vacation and no playoffs to save his body for FA.

  • Pete B

    playing Nic and Kemba 40 minutes in a loss is bad coaching IMO , so yea I agree with your comments

  • sws94

    Most Charlotte fans I’ve read thought Lin had a poor game tonight. Last game they loved him.

    Watched the full game, it was ugly. I don’t think the team was ready for Dallas and didn’t match their intensity. Lin wasn’t part of the guys that tried to make a 2nd half comeback unfortunately.

    He never gets enough touches. But when he plays well, he more optimizes his touches.

    I did make a note that Kemba should try to involve Lin when Lin enters a game. But, at this stage, we know he isn’t going to do that.

  • sws94

    Lin is incapable of having a bad game? And why always look to Kemba? Lin has his own standards. KW had a good second half, bad first half. No player played well for the Hornets except for Daniels in the first half. But some did play well in the 2nd half. The comeback started in the 3Q with the starters who did bring the lead down.

  • aras

    True he does not get enough touches but this game it was less than usual. I mean i saw the second half when he played. He barely did anything. He was not in the flow of the game he was cold. Cliff is not exactly putting him in a position to suceed, do you like the way Lin has been used since after the cavs game?

  • Dorothy

    We do NOT find excuses for Lin. We state the facts what happened to Lin, how he was used.

  • HVJoy

    Even superstar Curry could have a bad game. But with low usage, Lin was yanked at 7:53 at 4Q. Had he been given more minutes, Lin might’ve surprised us pleasantly.

  • sws94

    He’s done better with the same usage.

  • Dorothy

    Lin never had a whole game bad when his usage was high. Remember when he was at Knicks or Rockets, Lin always picked up and redeemed himself. He now has bad games because of Cliff, because of the broken promises. Don’t tell me Kemba would do better than Lin, if he were put in the same treatment to fail.

  • HVJoy

    Fact: low usage, not enough touches
    Lin is not a miracle worker!

  • BobbyH

    Lin got a lot of touches and screens and plays last game vs Rox. But it is only for one game with marketing purpose.

    Tonight, the revert trend continues with marginalization purpose. They would rather win or loss without much of Lin. More games like this will come.

    But I still hope Hornets make the playoff. Season games are warmup. Only playoff games will tell what a player is really made of.

    IMO, Lin picks a good time to change form playing for Hornets. Let’s pray Lin will get his shooting back before playoff.

  • sws94

    He was the PG more of his time on court tonight than usual. And I think his lack of touches wasn’t dramatically different than usual.

    I don’t have any divider after the Cavs game and now. I think post-ASG there’s a difference that I don’t like however.

  • leeda harun

    The starters cant bail the team….

  • sws94

    I usually think so HVJoy. I just don’t think tonight was his night. And I thought Clifford just tried to go with the most effective players. But without Lin being one of them tonight, no win.

  • sws94

    Agreed. I think tonight wasn’t a night they’d win.

  • Dorothy

    After tonight’s game, I truly believe Cliff, Cho and HornetsFO would rather loose than win with Lin’s help. Their goal for this season is getting in playoff. They are happy with what they got now, they are trying to wean fans from Lin.

  • leeda harun

    i believe clifford think he can win without lin…

  • sws94

    I don’t. Lin hasn’t had a DNP like Lamb has. Maybe using Lin less, but not using Lin in key times doesn’t lead to Hornets wins. Kemba and Batum are not enough.

  • leeda harun

    dont give too much credit to clifford..he is incompetent just like mchale…

  • heart

    A poster questioned why Lin didn’t draw foul or made plays as much in this game…Did you guys/gals see that each time Lin brings up the ball he has to look over to the sideline to receive instruction from Cliff on what play to execute? That’s one of the reasons that he could not hold on to the ball to dribble to make plays. Lin lacks the freedom to independently make plays and draw fouls like in preseason, IMO.

  • BobbyH

    I saw that too. It was quite a difference than last game where Lin had the go to play his games.

  • Dorothy

    Is it possible that Lin did well last game and Lin too popular last night due to his bobblehead night and Cliff trying to have damage control?

  • leeda harun

    they are stupid management.. Getting to the playoff is not a goal. No wonder they always at the bottom.the championship is the goal. You go all out to achieve that title..smh

  • sws94

    He’s way more competent. I’ve never heard McHale explain the game the way Cliff does. Or talk of how he’s learned from other coaches. All I heard was we didn’t play hard, we have to play harder. All of the time. Clifford has a good understanding of the game. He has his team in the playoffs now. He’s a much better coach. He isn’t a top coach by any means and he isn’t using Lin optimally and sometimes unintelligently. But he’s a way better coach than McHale and he seems to communicate to his players overall better than McHale did.

  • Dorothy

    remember before season started, no one other than us thought Hornets could make to playoff?

  • BobbyH

    It is the continuum of the agenda since game 1, no player should outshine the so-called star.

  • aras

    Lin did not have a good game this time true people can twist and turn it however they want. But it is hard for him to contribute with the constant lineup changes and minutes. tonight less than 20 which is ok he did not have a good game. But i have said it before, Lin is vital for games like this. Courtney lee is not doing any difference in this game. Sure he had 12 points but they were meh points. Dallas will gladely make Lee or anyone else besides kemba beat them. Yes kemba is the only one they care about not batum not anyone else. Lin should have been a game changer this game because it was needed and he can provide it. But i put blame on Cliff as much as i put it on Lin. They dont seem to have any common ground to me.

    come playoffs we’ll see what happens.

  • leeda harun

    Mchale have speech problem.He is not articulate.clifford is mchale mentee.m

  • HVJoy

    I am conflicted – I really wish Lin gets to showcase his skills in the playoffs games, but worry that Cliff would still not use him properly or sufficiently.

  • leeda harun

    no. Last night is only because of bobble heads night.

  • sws94

    I think if you know how to bring things out of a player and can then get players to buy in consistently and deal with difficult ones, you’re a great coach. Clifford I think knows better how to do some of those than McHale does. But we may just disagree about this. That’s fine.

  • leeda harun

    lin wants to go to the playoff. Whatever the outcome…we have to watch the remaining games

  • sws94

    I think much of it was Clifford. Lin has to do things despite the coach sometimes and he’s at his best when he can at least do it to some degree. Tonight wasn’t the night. He’ll be ok.

    I agree he’s the real X factor. Lee is alright, but nowhere close to Lin’s ability to impact a game. Lin is a winner, Lee is a nice player. Batum is a good player but not a winner. Kemba is a clutch player, but ultimately, not a winner without being under control by a balancing force in the form of Batum/Lin. That’s what I’ve seen from this season.

    Truth is, when Lin just has that empowering spirit which I still find a mystery and not that much dependent on the coach and other players as others find it, he can lead a lot of games with his will to play the right way and win.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Cliff is control freak. He controls everything about JLin.
    Anyway missed this game. Looking at the boxscore…seems like didn’t miss anything.
    I will go insane having to watch this control freak.

  • Acbc

    I wrote a long piece a while ago about how Kemba shot terribly against the Kings, 1/14 in the first half while Lin played great that game and finished 20/10 for a rare double double with this garbage team. That game saw Kemba finish with a miserable 5/22! Yet Clifford put Kemba in to finish the game to make him the star and not Lin. Kemba choked and instead of winning the game with 2 foul shots, he gagged the last FT and put the team into OT. Clifford again didn’t use Lin or Daniels who was hot and made 8 3s that game to finish with 28. Kemba again couldn’t put the Kings away and went into a second OT. Finally Lin passed the ball to Daniels and he buried a 3 to finish off the Kings. Notice how Daniels has not played again? This is how this garbage team roll.

    What annoys me even more though is how some posters keep blaming Lin? They say Lin deserves to play only 18 minutes and that Lee plays better with Kemba. Wow, are they blind? Lin gets yanked if he can’t produced and yet KW gets to shoot the team out of the game. How’s that even fair? How does that help make a player ever feel comfortable? How does a player ever get to play without fear?

    Why do these fans only measure Lin’s results and yet measure Kemba’s potentials? Why do they look at his lows and complain like he’s only capable of that low? I’m so tired of these types of fans!

  • heart

    I know, but it pains me to see him being marginalized like this. I understand his desire to win, he’s an athlete after all. I will support and endure ‘whatever the outcome’ for his sake. But I hope to God that there will be a miracle in the horizon for him to break out in the playoffs if they make it.

  • leeda harun

    Just because hornets beat rockets last night..so they think team can beat mavs..not that easy..lol

  • leeda harun

    this so called fans only post when lin has a bad game..lol

  • leeda harun

    the control freak is afraid if lin outshine his beloved players.

  • leeda harun

    there is always a light at the end of a tunnel. I believe Lin can survive and contribute to the team. The rest is in God hands.

  • Dorothy

    that is why I think they should have their own Kemba.com, or stay at the dot net forum. I don’t go to the dot net forum at all now, but I can imagine by the way they blame Lin here, how they will trash Lin at the dot net.

  • aras

    I agree with you Sws that He plays best when he is not dependant on the coach. But it cant be that everytime he needs to get himself going to the playoffs and Cliff needs to realise this. I honestly dont think Cliff knows Lin is vital for a good playoff push. I think he knows Lin is a good player and a starter in this league just not on this team.

  • sws94

    He doesn’t have the right feel for Lin. It’s more it sounds like he has a good idea when he talks about Lin, but using Lin right is a feel.

  • leeda harun

    cliff needs to think outside of the box..

  • sws94

    Agree.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I don’t give any excuses; just stating the fact!!!

  • aras

    yeah thats where i get it from he thinks Lin is a good player. i remember after he had a real good game against raptors he said if you look at his game this is something he can do consistantly. I mean Cliff likes Lin he just does not know how to balance it out with batum kemba and him.

  • sws94

    Yup, key is balance and Cliff hasn’t figured that out.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks @disqus_zDgJ5zJRLn:disqus for speaking sense to JLin bashing fans.

  • Dorothy

    Hornets

  • leeda harun

    you can join others at dot.net..they want to fire his shooting coach too.

  • heart

    Yep. Mavs have a good, experienced coach. He prepared his team well tonight and can make in-game adjustments quickly. Tonight, after being down for so long, Cliff still stuck to his rigid game plan. He didn’t involve Lin in the offense. Didn’t draw up plays for Lin or Daniels, 3pt shooter, to get them out of the deficit early.

  • Dorothy

    true, that is because he is a great player, does not mean he should always be superman, does it?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    No doubt you are always right on Cliff and none of us is!

  • your son’s voltaire

    that is why i kept telling people at the start of the season when MKG went down that starting was important. the excuse makers kept saying how it doesn’t matter if he starts or not as long as he finish games. well, now they see for their own eyes.. or they refuse admit they’re wrong and keep arguing

  • sws94

    Exactly Dorothy. That’s why I said he has a bad game. Michale Jordan, Magic Johnson and many others have had not only bad games, but bad playoff games. Lin isn’t superman, he’s a humble player who can work magic on the court when he’s in a groove. I just don’t think he found that groove or had it in him tonight. But tomorrow is a new day (well, Wednesday).

  • sws94

    Words like that don’t come out of my mouth. It’s an opinion.

  • sws94

    This again. Give me a break. Everyone here is a Lin fan and this isn’t helpful. The mods have banned obvious trolls.

  • Dorothy

    no, what Lin did today is what other players would do every night if they had the same usage like Lin. When Lin had a good game, we should be amazed by how he could perform under such bad treatment. When he has a bad game, that should be the norm for the usage like his. but you blame him not playing well and deserving his 18 min. You are holding double, triple or multiple standards. Wish you would do that to KW. SMH

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • cdblue10

    Well of course,posters have a different outlook of Lin’s situation right?I’ll better enjoy to see what a true fans objectives about Lin situation other than seeing posters who bashed Lin when he has an off game.

  • leeda harun

    Too many turnovers and missed freethrows…clifford. Well do something about it..

  • your son’s voltaire

    good game, bad game, good game, bad game. why was the outcome of this game so predictable hmm?

  • sws94

    We’re all true fans. Lin isn’t being bashed. There’s a game Wednesday.

  • Pete B

    This is the numerical statistical expression of No Lin No Win

  • heart

    Wow, saw Lamb actually got DNP, Coach’s Decision. If this keeps up, he might be traded in FA.

  • sws94

    Yes, Lin deserved 18 minutes tonight only. The first half, all the players played poorly except Daniels. The second half, if the Hornets had any chance of winning, Lin had to sit because he wasn’t performing. Nothing personal. Taking everything that happens to Lin personally means you can’t be a fan and really enjoy the games and accept that he is number 7 on the team and number 7, in this particular game, wasn’t one on the squad that gave the team the best chance to win.

    This isn’t a double standard. If Batum is ineffective, take him out. If Al is ineffective, take him out. If Kemba is ineffective, take him out. If Lin is ineffective…?

  • leeda harun

    Yes. But the hornets dont care as long as their stars got points

  • cdblue10

    I’m pretty sure what would happen on Wednesday everything is just predictable since after the Cavs game.

  • sws94

    I don’t agree with predictions. Lin did great against the Rockets and some were saying he should sit for the rest of the season. Lin has had solid games since the Cavs game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    We rest our case.

    -LOFs

  • Dorothy

    LOL, KW was 1-8 , was he taken out? NOOOOOOOO
    ok, i am tired of you. I will just flag you from now on like other posters suggested

  • cdblue10

    LOL .You’re so naรฏve…can’t blame you since you’re giving props to Clifford as a coach .Lin had solid games because he can easily adjust to situations even if he was marginalized to the mean.

  • Whitman Lam

    The refs wanted to give this game to the Mavs to keep them in playoff contention and stop their losing streak. Simple as that.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This game was a blown out because of out coaching, not refs.

  • Dorothy

    Out coaching, plus didn’t want Lin’s help

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why did Lin have to check in w Clifford on the sideline on every play but no one else?

  • sws94

    Naive about what? You know, not going along with the majority because I have a different opinion is not being naive more than having an opinion and my own analysis and takes after watching decades of basketball. And Lin fans are allowed to have their own opinions as long as they believe in and support Lin which is what is happening here. You want to say marginalized, if you feel that, fine. I want to say not used optimally. That works better for me.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yep

  • Dorothy

    I bet he was told so, otherwise why didn’t he do that during Houston game?

  • cdblue10

    Clifford:I’ll give you some playing time but you still need to have my approval for every designed plays if KW or NB is not around

  • sws94

    And you don’t think I’m tired of you? Kemba played well in the 2nd half, poorly in the first half. Go ahead and flag me, it’s all emotion because you aren’t debating me on points.

    Kemba had more energy, looked for the ball better, advanced the ball better, scored way more than 1 point, didn’t he? Kemba didn’t really have a great game but he was making big baskets in the 4Q. So take him out? What objective reason do you have to take him out the way he was performing?

    And I am VERY tired of you, for the record. If you aren’t equipped to handle a decent debate then DON’T engage me EVER.

    Flag away. I don’t care.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Of course, I meant why Cliff has to do that to him only?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So sad.

  • cdblue10

    If you watched a decades of basketball then you know what I meant.Dont worry …I’ll used your own word,Lin wasn’t use optimally because the coach and some players doesn’t want that to happen.I hope it’s good enough since that’s pretty much a straight forward answer.

  • sws94

    Marginalized is a powerful word for me. I don’t care to use it. I know some others do and that’s fine. I think we should use our own words.

    What I’d like you to think about is the Coach’s job. His job is to deal with a rotation of 9-10 players. Find the right combos. Assess minutes and rest times. Look at matchups on the floor. Look at how guys are not only playing with each other, but what they have that night.

    Coach planned not to use Lamb and use Daniels. Then he looked at most players and nobody did that well. Then in the second half, Marv, Batum, Kemba to a degree and Lee started playing better. Al and Lin didn’t get it going. That’s the whole picture that I think is involved in Lin.

    I’ll complain just like anyone else when Lin looks good or I think has it and Lin doesn’t play him. Just not tonight. Maybe next game I will. I sure have many recent games.

  • aras

    Kemba had a decent game. but it’s a given he will have better stats he is the franchise player, Lin isn’t

  • Darin Tanaka

    He didn’t play well…thats funny.

    You mean he hardly got any touches at all. Only disappointing part of his game was his FT shooting. He had zero plays for him. Every shot he took was a forced one because there was no other way to get a shot off.

    The Hornets have been playing selfishly for a while now it’s just that they were playing bad teams and Kemba has been hot. Honestly Marvin Williams has been bailing out the starters big time. He finally couldn’t do it tonight and then they got dominated by a well coached hungry Mavericks team.

    Jeremy Lin didn’t played bad or good because he didn’t get to play.

  • aras

    Thats on Clifford he knows defense but offensivly it’s always been relying on kemba and Al and now Batum. I said it before they have had an easy schedule so far. I dont think they will fare well in the playoffs to be honest. If this is how Lin will get used then it’s going to be bad.

  • aras

    you 2 need to chill honestly. Both of you have been going at each other for a while now.

  • John Focker

    Because these so-called fans are closet Lin-haters, plain and simple, masking themselves with a pretense of false objectivity.

  • sws94

    I agree. We both need to chill. But I didn’t write a separate post on what I hoped was all said and done for that discussion.

  • Dorothy

    btw, the reason I post this reply is because this is buried way down. This is how sws truly feels about Kemba. If Kemba was take out when he was 1-8 like Lin would, Kemba would never have 4th quarter big shots, LOL. Lin never had a single bad game when he was at Knicks or Rockets because his usage was higher.
    From the way sws wrote to me he thought no one else would read it except me, can you imagine how he trashes Lin at the dot net site?

  • LinMad

    the right combos has always had Lin in it running the offense like a PG and playing defense (although many Hornets fans don’t recognize what he does on defense). Ever since Al joined the 2nd unit and Lin became statue of Linberty, things have taken a dip. Lin has been marginalized cause he is getting less minutes than before the Cavs game. Before he would get 25-30 minutes a game, now he’s down to 18-25 or less depending on his performance. I just think it isn’t fair to say Lin had a bad game today when all he had was 3 shots the entire game while KW had 9 shots at the end of first half. I think the winning streak we had was going to end sooner or later because we can’t have KW scoring 25-30+ every game. That’s impossible even if Cliff gives KW free rein like he is now. Cliff needs to bring Lin back as the 6th man or we won’t have a chance against teams that actually prepare for KW. Right now, it looks like Lin is 8th man or something. Even Frank is taking more shots than Lin.

  • sws94

    Al is a problem for sure. BF1 as it was in the beginning of the season was quite good. But Hawes has been out and I think Al is here to stay for the remainder of the season.

  • Dorothy

    I can not stand a so call Lin fan blames Lin when Lin is obviously and unfairly mistreated by his coach.
    He toned down a bit lately so that he would not be banned, but when he thought no one noticed it, his true color came out again. That is why I decided he needs to be exposed.
    I don’t think he dare to post what he replied me if he knew everyone could read it. I also feel if he could let me read it, he should let everyone reads it too. So I help him to expose what his true thoughts are.

  • cdblue10

    Basketball is about feeling the game not about being the coach.GSW and Spurs are playing great because they play unselfish basketball,they used their 5 players on the court to have the best shots available not because the coach are telling them what to do,they don’t care who will take the best possible shot because they trust each other.OTH you have a coach here that’s trying to find the right combination because he doesn’t know yet what to do on his players,he can’t really coached them because some players have more power than him to decide what would need to be done on the court rather than winning and losing as a team.

  • LinMad

    He wasn’t allowed to impact the game. His window is so small. You miss 3 shots and you’re benched without any plays drawn for you. Next thing you know, the game is over and you’ve only touched the ball a few times. Most of your touches was about setting up other players to help them score but not about making you score easier. Cliff likes to focus too much on his favorite players, he’s forgetting what actually win games.

  • sws94

    My response to aras is that Clifford lacks the feel of how to really utilize Lin. So, I think we’re aligned in that.

    Cliff is a micromanager which represents some level of insecurity and trust in his players. He becomes a better coach when he trusts more and develops a real feel for players and game situations. It’s not mathematical, it’s spiritual.

  • LinMad

    i agree that sws94 is a Kemba fan boy trying to defend him and the hornets. I’ve read his comments lately and I know he takes small jabs at Lin every time we praise him or point out what is going wrong with the team.

  • Acbc

    The reason I find these tiger fans so annoying is that it reminds me the psychological damage that some overly demanding parents can damage their children’s mental health if pushed too far. These types are quick to beat down on their kids and blame them for their failures when often their kids are trying desperately to do their best just so they can feel some love from them. I’ve seen kids psychologically damaged because they feel unable to ever earn the love of their parents. They can ever only equate their worthiness for love by how well they do…..why? Because these tiger parents can’t love their kids unless they meet their own expectations. For some deeply damaged teens, suicides are the only way to escape this mental abuse.

    When I look at Lin fight so hard to soldier ahead under an abusive boss and manipulative coworker, I can’t help feel empathy for him. I feel so sad for him and yet he keeps going. How can tiger fans demand any more from him? I sure hope these types don’t ever treat their own kids this way.

    If you think that athletes are immune to this type of mental attack, all you have to do is look at Rhonda Rousey. After she lost her last fight, she was so depressed that she almost considered suicide.

  • your son’s voltaire

    there are kemba fans on this site who only support Lin because they know Lin elevates kemba’s game. without Lin, kemba goes back to being just a inefficient chucker

  • LinMad

    I absolutely agree with you. I think Lin throughout his career tried to impress his coaches and should have earned respect from his coaches but never got it because of politics. Even Byron Scott but they kept pushing Lin into the corner and telling him he’s doing it all wrong. Clifford is the same thing. He yells at Lin over the slightest mistakes. Lin sacrifices his body, takes hard hits and Clifford won’t stand up to the refs who miss calls. But for Batum and KW, he’ll happily take a technical for them over 1 play like a basket interference that wasn’t. Some players try to earn their respect like Lin. Others are given respect on a silver platter and never need to earn it. This is why Lin is loved by many fans. Lin has earned his respect from fans more than his coaches. It’s like the coaches and the fans are watching 2 different games and not on the same page. This is why he gets top 10 in ASG polls every season without having to be a top scorer. Why KW even though he’s having a great season didn’t even make top 10 in ASG.

    But ya, these tiger fans need to relax and accept that Lin is in a sticky situation right now where he isn’t put in a position to succeed. Every once in awhile he may have a good game, but that’s because he’s putting in 100% effort every game under very bad circumstances. No one but himself deserves the credit for his great games this season.

  • leeda harun

    after clifford get an extension..he forgot his promises to lin

  • leeda harun

    ha ha… He is a big fan of both of them

  • Dorothy

    Wow, thanks for this. A good reminder for any Asian parent.
    I really feel sorry for Lin especially when I think of my kids. I am sooooooo mad at Cliff and Hornets. I can not imagine any true fan is not upset when Lin is treated so unfairly.

  • LinMad

    its like they forgot what Kemba was the previous seasons. They need to be reminded every day.

  • heart

    Understand you completely.

  • leeda harun

    That is why we love lin.

  • LinMad

    agree but I don’t see why Cliff has to marginalize Lin so heavily. Are they scared of Lin scoring 15+ points a game when KW is already scoring 25+ per game? Do they really need Lin to score less than 10 pts every game to feel less threatened by Lin?

  • heart

    That’s what I had posted earlier. No freedom for Lin to make independent plays. Cliff micro manages every play so he can’t hold onto the ball and dribble for long to probe what defense gives. You notice after Lin brings up the ball, he has look to the sideline to see what play Cliff wants to execute. Then he takes a few bounce of the rock waiting for NB or KW come for the ball, or he has to pass the rock right away and it would never return to him.

  • Dorothy

    and people blame him having a ‘bad game” SMH
    With a fan like this, who needs enemy?

  • heart

    exactly! smh too!

  • leeda harun

    a micromanager? He should held kw and batum accountable for their turnovers…he supposed to yell at them not only lin. Double standards

  • Ben Johnson

    The only time our excuses for a bad game are not valid is when JLin is playing as the point guard of the team, is allowed to create and play make, and his teammates are supporting him by setting a reasonable amount of screens, running in transition, cutting to the ball, and expending some energy on defense…by my recollection, I honestly cannot remember the last time JLin had a “bad” game when placed in these circumstances…

  • JJ Hui

    Exactly! Couldn’t agree more!!!
    Hate to see those egotistic people always complaining Lin not good and not doing this n that! We should support Lin unconditionally because he had been through so much.

    I feel really sad too to see him faces all the mental n physical abuses by referees, coaches, teammates n whacked by opponents n sacrifies his body! I hope Karma will find its way to those people who intentionally did this to Lin!

  • aras

    That is a question i cant answer linmad. all i can say is that next season i hope he chooses wisely. It all depends on what he wants. he wants to start? maybe find another team.

  • leeda harun

    What we need to remember is only 3 team play teamball.

  • LinMad

    this shows you that Lin is a team player that requires team effort and coach’s agenda is the opposite of that. Clifford wants selfishness from a few selected players and unselfish team effort from everyone else.

  • JoeTeam

    and I have friends who advise that we must allow our kids to fail while at home, where it is safe, so they can figure out life better when the stakes are higher.

    Our tiger fans here … just so noisy like a politics rally.

  • JoeTeam

    Sorry I missed this game … I went to GSW/NOP tonight and noticed Asik got a DNP-CD. Anyone know why Asik is sitting the pine so much? ADavis is pretty impressive, but Asik I always thought was great except for his hands. Maybe he needs a JLin to keep feeding him high. Toney Douglas got a lot of usage. I’m glad Toney is still in the league. Starting guard, 38 mins, 22 pts/8 A. How nice for Toney. Go Lin, next year!

  • sws94

    Why don’t we talk basketball rather than go on about other posters?

    Anyway, I think ever since Lin has done the following two things he hasn’t been the same player.

    1. Limit his shots. During Linsanity Lin would shoot the ball freely and if he had the shot, he’d take it.

    2. Worry about TOs. Clifford drones on about TOs and I agree with those that say Batum is allowed TOs others aren’t. That’s why Batum makes some good plays too, because he can make terrible TOs that Clifford doesn’t seem to get on him about. When Lin is just handling the ball without thinking he can’t turn it over, got to be safe, he just goes and does his thing. With McHale, Scott and now Clifford droning on about TOs, he can get hesitant. I think D’Antoni was right in that he’ll make TOs, but he’ll also make big plays. So let him play. Some of the best players in the league have a lot of TOs. LeBron has had many Batum-like TO nights.

    I’m most satisfied that regardless of coach not calling plays, regardless of Al clogging things up, regardless of Kemba or anyone else, when Lin gets the ball he looks to make plays, the right pass if it is there, but doesn’t give up the ball hoping others will do the right thing and pass it around. I like when he takes the ball and empowers himself to make the play. And he usually does that later in games, when he’s allowed to be in them recently.

    My stance is empower Lin. He’s more in charge of himself than others. You can agree or not but that’s my stance.

  • your son’s voltaire

    can’t wait for next season. Lin will be free and kemba will go back to being an inefficient chucker without Lin’s sacrifices. it’s gonna be hilarious watching them struggle and wonder why. that guy whom i shall not name will be fired or demoted to dleague coaching

  • Barry Allen

    I don’t really blame Kemba, he’s paid to be the man on the Hornets. He had Lin on his heels when he was out beating the Cavs (a feat he never achieved). He’s bound to feel a little intimidated.

    Lin also has the best court vision on the team and is taller.

    I just wish they would let Lin play his game more without Kemba sometimes, that’s when good things happen and Hornets will win more games.

  • Barry Allen

    Yes, I’ve realized that too. Pretty transparent.

  • Barry Allen

    lol. Interesting. I think Lin was a little off offensively this game but didn’t really get the chance to get into a rhythm either. It happens.

  • spiderman

    Clifford has decided to go down history as a mediocre coach who enjoys the noxious fumes coming from the bottom of a fabricated star.

    So be it

  • K. P. Chan

    He was in the group that brought the team back from a 19-pt deficit in the third quarter. After he left the game, the team rapidly fell apart. His departure might not have been the sole reason for that, but certainly a big reason.

  • adele

    Thank you for being there. You always give light to the downtrodden Lin fans. ๐Ÿ‘

  • adele

    True!

  • adele

    I noticed they blog a lot when Lin is not doing well and criticize his play most of the time. I just amuse myself in taunting them.

  • pistol pete

    It’s probably already been noted but when Lin went out in the 4th Q with about 7 minutes remaining the Hornets were down by 5. The lead quickly went up to 13 which I believe was caused mainly by poor defense on the Maverick’s guards Deron Williams and Felton. Chandler Parsons also went off but it was mainly our defense on their guards that killed us. Jeremy didn’t have a good offensive game but his defense was keeping us in the game. Did anyone else notice this?

  • pistol pete

    Lin’s defense was keeping us in the game. When he went out with 7 minutes left in 4th Q we were down by 5. The lead quickly went up to 13 points. Poor defense on their guards and Chandler Parsons killed us.

  • pistol pete

    Also when Lin left in the 2nd Q the Hornets were down by 11. At the half they were down by 19.

  • JJ Hui

    How can Cliff forgot the Cav game with Lin the Elite Point Guard? How Lin brought the team beaten the Number One Eastern conference team with Lebron & Love etc.? Is Lin so useless in Cliff’s mind or being surpressed to bring down Lin’s value?
    There is reason why they did this to Lin!!! MJ is not stupid, Cho is not stupid, Cliff is not stupid n naive!!!!

  • JJ Hui

    That is why Lin has the positive effect (+) when he is in the game.

  • sport

    Lin continues to be marginalize further and yet fans want Hornets to go to playoffs? They will not let Lin shine if they do make it. I hope they go on a losing streak and fall out of playoffs because this selfish fake team doesn’t deserve it. Lin should forget about “defense” and just look to shoot every chance he gets. I bet Lin will get the last laugh when Cliff gets fired just like Mchale.

  • JJ Hui

    Yes. KW can shoot and get the glory but his defend lost the game! It happens all the time. He can shoot 30 points n gave up 40 points to opponent and that is why he always have (-) negative in the game.

  • BobbyH

    It was quite unusual that Lin missed 3 out 4 FT. Could be a minor wrist injury and hard hit from previous game vs Rox.

  • pistol pete

    If you look at the Net Rating chart Lee had the worst defensive rating by far this game.

  • JJ Hui

    I can see that! Lol, gave away PJ n Robert for Cliff’s ex-player Lee, politics over anything else.

  • KL

    I had more or less figured out McHale but Clifford is harder to read.

    For McHale, the sheer embarrassment of cutting Jeremy, only for Jeremy to became the league’s biggest star a few months later, was too much to bear. McHale had to create a delusion to preserve himself. Either he was a racist and incompetent at evaluating talent (and hence not deserving of being a coach) or Jeremy was a flash in the pan.

    He opted to go with the latter and came up with his “ceiling theory” which he repeated over and over again. McHale’s behaviour was always consistent with that belief. So when Jeremy played well, he got more minutes because “Hey what a surprise Jeremy is playing well again today, let’s see how long this can last”.

    With Clifford, I have noticed that he is constantly giving instructions to Lin and also berating him for small mistakes. From the single game I watched live at the arena, I noticed that Clifford does not talk to Batum or Walker and they basically ignore him. Also Khuang made the observation that Batum and Walker are not running Clifford’s offence.

    I think Batum and Walker are untouchable in this organisation and Clifford knows that. He has given up on coaching them.

    So it could be that Clifford sees Jeremy as the only one willing to listen, to try to put some structure into the offence and defence, so he is always getting on Lin’s back. And yet he marginalises Lin. Why?

    Here is where I might be persuaded that Clifford is worse than McHale. Whereas McHale really believed that Jeremy was not as good as Harden and did not deserve to be the main playmaker, Clifford looks like he is just playing politics very insidiously. He is using Jeremy and all the other players to prop up Kemba and Batum. Honestly, for Clifford, between winning now and having a job for the next few years, it is pretty obvious what is more important to Clifford.

    I still think Lin is in a better situation than with the Rockets or Lakers and he will get good offers for next season. But it sure looks like Lin was lied to again.

  • gum

    I wish you would post this on the other site, because there are number of fans who are harping on Lin when he is not satisfying their expectations.

    It is very disheartening to hear some toxic comments from those who advocate that they are Lin fans. I feel the post like yours will help them to be more reasonable and understanding.

  • Barry Allen

    Half of them aren’t really Lin fans. They are just there to stir things up, It’s pretty obvious from their statements.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Well Lin only took 3 shots and played 19 minutes. Perhaps, it’s just another no Lin no win game. The others couldn’t control the tempo of the game for a win. Lin hasn’t been given the better situation for his game to bloom.
    Dallas has shown Clifford that they could beat the Hornets convincingly and I believe other teams could follow suit and a new losing streak might have started.

  • HVJoy

    Are you blaming Lin for the stifling circumstances he is in? Blaming the victim? You know well that Lin has no control that he was given low play time and not used properly.

    I also don’t understand why you raised the TOs when Lin had 1 and Kemba had 5 in this game.

    You said your stance is to “empower Lin”, yet you seem to subtly blame and attack Lin. Why don’t you tell Cliff, Cho, even MJ who have the power to do so.

  • Sesshie

    JLin is a strong-minded person. I think he’s better equipped mentally to handle the injustice and disappointment he experienced with his past few teams. He has the love and support of his inner circle of friends and family. He has his faith. There will be times that are tougher than others, but I think he will ultimately overcome them. As his fan and outside observer, I’m just waiting for the next opportunity for JLin to play his game. As for tiger fans and their nit-picking criticisms, I just tune them out or ignore them. I just choose to read the positive and ignore the negative. It doesn’t matter to JLin what a few fans think of his game. Fans come and go.

  • Acbc

    Thanks for you’re support. It’s so frustrating for all of us to hear it. You and all of us have our doubts as well. A nasty little voice that wants to say the same things but we manage to always keep it in check with whatever positive energy we can muster. It’s already hard enough to not let mainstream doubters and haters get us down, but to come on to a Lin site….a home site where we should feel safe, we get these few posters that continue to bring us down as well is just unbearable.

    I left the other site a long time ago and wouldn’t feel right about intervening there. You’re welcome to copy my comment and paste it there.

  • cdblue10

    LOL ….so true!!!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    We all have observed that coach Clifford has been trying to win by marginalizing Lin’s game for his starters. Lin has been given a less and less role for his team to succeed. Coach Carlisle comes to rescue and simply tells coach Clifford in reality his team could not succeed without Lin’s contributions in offense. The rest of the Hornets could compile impressive stats but the team still would lose, not to a contender but just a good team.
    Lin is an indispensable component for the Hornets; perhaps, Carlisle has recognized this more than coach Clifford. This lost to me is good news to Lin fans.

  • BobbyH

    I wanted to agree. But human nature and stubbornness will still prevail. To them, getting stats and getting into playoff are good enough for this team. They won’t aim higher. If so, that will expose KW weakness and exploit Lin strength.

  • Bulldog

    So typical Cliff. Three 20- min games follow one Lin’s blow out game. Jeremy, if you want to stay on the floor, go to the corners and watch KW playing.

  • gum

    Thank you for allowing me to paste your comment on the other site.

    I always appreciate your thoughtful and insightful comments!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not good news, Great news. This is simple, we’re no Hornets first fans, we’re Lin first Only fans. We move to new team whenever he goes.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Right on money, first year with the Rockets, Lin beat Harden in assists per game stat. That’s how much offense Lin was allowed to run.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I sometimes go over there and challenged them but believe me they are hopeless.

  • CJSHYY

    Almost when Lin had good game then next game it’s always bad… He only took 3 shots. What can you expect? Hornets put their own players as top priority since Lin will not stay so….They are building their team chemistry for next season now so I don’t think Lin will be as big part of any game from now on to the end of season unless they are in trouble.

  • adele

    Correct!๐Ÿ‘

  • adele

    Sounds good to me!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I took this from Joe from the other side. This is great.

    Hornets updated On / Off Stats:

    Entire Game: http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1

    Q4 only: http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1

    (LOL, Clifford is going to have to come up with another excuse for why he is playing Courtney Lee over Lin, because Lee’s off court defensive rating, is 95.7 for the entire game, and a stunning 91.1 for the fourth quarter considered separately!)

  • Lefon Jang

    After Lin left the defense did not get any better and the offense suffered. With the Dallas ‘In Your Face’ defense the Hornets needed another ball handler.

  • adele

    He is not in a better situation at all! He receives more money in rockets and lakers than in hornets. Same marginalization. How can that be better? Same heartache, same receipt, same jealousy. Sigh!

  • heart

    Carlisle out-coached/out-smart Cliff. Instead of adjusting to change up the offense by allowing Lin and/or Daniels to get more involved w/the offense scheme, Cliff stuck in his rigid ways and allowed his preferred players to continue to ice out these players for their own stats. Once Cliff saw the scores were tied, (like always) he immediately took Lin off the floor probably thinking KW/NB/Lee could pull this game through. But Carlisle probably thinking to himself “thank you, Cliff, you remove the defensive juggernaut for me.” W/ Lin on the bench, defense collapsed and Mavs went on the run to win the game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Absolutely, Carlisle knows Lin well and he thank you.

  • wu kong

    Stats never matter. been watching games and doing stats for years and none of the actual numbers ever correlate to playing time or trust for players. There are behind the scenes contracts and money and agendas that we know nothing about that dictate who plays and how long. It is entertainment, not a sport.

  • BobbyH

    So true, entertainment. But unfortunately NYK makes a bad business about entertaining its large based clients, indulging a fake star and forsakes a true one.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s exactly what’s going on. However, those stats are not intended to use for those insiders behind the scenes but for fans who doubting Lin while praising his teammates.

  • i think the stats are useful.

  • xeroid

    Money is relative for 1 year rental, he gets to shape his defense and work on his offense. Just as he’s not worth 25 million on his first contract, he’s worth more this contract, it’ll average out.

  • BobbyH

    Guess who said “That other site is a bunch of whining ….” on jeremylin.net?

    I don’t think this site welcomes a hypocrite that has his (her) hidden agenda posting here and conveniently and constantly bashing jlinportal posters on jeremylin.net. Sometimes I am wondering if that person is related to KW or Cliff, or maybe clutch?

    Of course this is a free forum. One can post his/her opinions freely as long as rules are followed. But this is true Lin fans site, not take-every-chance-to-denounce-Lin-when-Lin-played-bad posting site or Lin-needs-to-step-up or Lin-play-scared or Lin-is-a-scrub or Lin-is-a-backup-PG or every-nba-pg-is-better-than-Lin posting heavens.

    Those at best doubters never understand what is like to be the true loner playing in a black-dominate league with almost everyone against you. GMs, Coaches, fake stars and the gang, refs, hostile fans, tiger fans, agencies and the list goes on. It is easier to say one needs to step up, man up, shoot like h***, disobey coaches, do a Aslik etc. But just look at Lamb now in a doghouse. Lin is smart enough to survive and make the most of it. His is fighting for PT with all he can offer, offense and now defense. He is not giving up or conveniently relinquishing excuses to those behind the marginalization to demote Lin or limit Lin, even though it looks like they are succeeding now. Well, it is business.

    To the hypocrite(s), you can do your high talks all you want at the other site. But if you don’t like our opinions favoring Lin, protecting Lin, acknowledging Lin, fine, please leave.

  • Uh-Oh

    Supporting this.

  • TTNN

    Haven’t got a chance to read other post yet, so let me guess, this is towards sws94?

  • HVJoy

    Who? Who bashes linportal.com fans at other Lin fansites?

  • TTNN

    uh, help, is that just me or what, but the link does not work for me. ๐Ÿ™

  • JLin is ranked #4 in the Yahoo The Vertical Guide to Free-Agency: PGs
    There is also a list of 7 teams in need of a starter. Vote which one is the best for JLin

    new thread
    Jeremy Lin is Ranked 4th in Vertical Free Agency Guide for PG
    http://www.jlinportal.com/jeremy-lin-is-ranked-4th-in-vertical-free-agency-guide-for-pg/

    In a new Yahoo The Vertical guide to free agency: Point Guards, Jeremy Lin is ranked 4th in the available Point Guards.

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/709807641418072064
    4. Jeremy Lin, Charlotte Hornets
    FA age: 27 | Salary: $2.1 million
    Insider info: One of the top point guards coming off the bench this season. Lin has found a nice role with coach Steve Clifford. Player option with non-Bird rights means Charlotte will have a hard time affording him.

    It’s encouraging that the Insider Info emphasizes Jeremy Lin as one of the top PGs coming off the bench this season to validate the opinion that he is a capable starter that chose to come off the bench this season with the Hornets. And the Hornets would have a hard time to afford him, which might explain why the Hornets have given more playing time to Lee than JLin to reduce their dependency on him.

    The article also provides 7 teams in need of a starter and many more teams in need of a backup

    Teams in need of a starter: Brooklyn, Houston, Memphis, New York, Philadelphia, Sacramento, Utah.

    Teams in need of a backup: Brooklyn, Charlotte, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Indiana, LA Clippers, LA Lakers, Memphis, Miami, New Orleans, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, Washington.

    It’s quite clear that Jeremy Lin is a much more effective PG with the ball in his hands but being the 3rd, 4th, 5th choice to set up offense in the Hornets have minimized his strength. Add the fact of no reliable big men who can roll strong to the rim to play PnR, the Hornets backup PG is not a good long-term role for Jeremy Lin.

    The ideal role for Jeremy Lin is a ball-handling PG in a team utilizing a lot of Pick-and-Roll system with bigs who can finish his passes strong at the rim. Out of 7 teams in need of a starter, HOU and NYK were not ideal due to the ball-dominant James Harden and triangle offense that minimize PG role/Melo’s personal dislike of JLin’s presence. The Kings has a dysfunction since they plan to fire George Karl as a coach. So that leaves us with 4 teams (Brooklyn Nets, Memphis Grizzlies, Philadelphia 76ers, Utah Jazz)

    Which teams will offer the best starting PG role to suit JLin’s strength?

    A 7-day Twitter poll is currently ongoing to assess JLin fans’s preference:

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/709809656923684864

  • HVJoy

    A positive article! Thank you for sharing.

  • heart

    You know who, TTNN guessed correctly. Went there to check it’s true.

  • Yw, yes .. it’s great to see Woj’s Vertical publicize this list because it will influence a lot of public opinion that JLin is #4 PG in this upcoming FA.

    They knew JLin is very capable of starting with impressive 11-game starter stats + a flash of Linsanity as the primary PG but was just hidden in the Hornets.

  • BobbyH

    Lin is smart enough to take the 2nd year opt out. The coming FA, only Conley is competitive enough against Lin in the market.

    Just wait for MDA’s move first (or promoted), I would say.

  • takemeback2reaganyears
  • TTNN

    thanks!

    Wow, impressive. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Acbc

    I believe these stats help us be more positive about Lin. How it affect others has obviously been ineffectual at best. We get attacked from all sides as delusional Lin crazies but when we see these kinds of numbers, it allows us to know that we are the ones seeing reality and it’s the haters that’s delusional.

  • Acbc

    Thanks for the great work on the stats on feature comment. Always appreciate you’re great work.

  • Acbc

    Really well said.

  • Uh-Oh

    This post should keep it as long as it can. No rules I see is breaking here. He didn’t attack anyone specifically and baiting anything. In fact he helps to expose the hypocrite.

  • sws94

    You’re not a mod. The question was for the mods.

  • adele

    I’m with you!๐Ÿ‘

  • Uh-Oh

    I obvious don’t need you to tell me that. But I need to obvious tell you I don’t need to be a mod to say this.

  • wu kong

    I should have been more clear. Yes, of course stats verify in our minds that JLin is being unfairly treated. That Linsanity is not a fluke. In fact that is who he is consistently when given the playing time. I started an entire website to gather stats and try to make any of JLin’s treatment have some logic behind it. I continually found he was being used poorly by his teams with NO rhyme or reason for it.

    My statement that stats mean nothing is in regards to trying to use them to make sense of the NBA world. Stats are almost nothing in regards to who is a ‘star’ player. Who gets free reign to play long minutes and be the man’ on a team.

    Morey the supposed statistician guru is a charlatan. If he knows stats he is NOT actually using them to run his team….and furthermore it does not seem to me that any team truly uses them. Players are propped up with smoke and mirrors and stats with no context… PPG means NOTHING without your efficiency and defense numbers. Yet that stat alone is celebrated and award winning stat. go figure?!?

    I used to spend a lot of time gathering stats and I have given up. It does not matter. We know he is a great player. We know he is fully capable of running a team as a starting PG. We know that a team with Jlin at the helm would work as a team, they would make it to playoffs, be a great team to watch and a great team for any player lucky enough to be on it. It is now up to the greater NBA world. sadly I still think there is too much of a push for the Melo’s and Harden’s style of play…and not so much room for JLin’s style of play.

    We often talk about how Jlin would fair well under a SPUR’s type team… think about it… out of the entire NBA the SPURs are an anomaly. That is why Jlin and we as fans suffer so. We all want to watch SPurs style of play. But the Spurs are not representative of the NBA. and until the NBA decides the SPURs style is a money making style there is not going to be a big change.

    UGH. I am feeling sad and down and can hardly watch a game anymore. all the non calls and flagrant foul non call beatings JLin takes make me so angry. It is not healthy for me to watch. Too much anger bad for me. ๐Ÿ™

  • sws94

    It’s a Lin fan site. KHuang is here, a bunch of people I like are here. I think psalm and the mods have a tough job and I’m very appreciative and grateful of all the hard work they’ve done providing and moderating this site. I think there are some basketball fans here with more Lin as a symbol fans and I hope we can coexist.

    I don’t agree with
    1) all of these posts about other posters. I thought we were here to talk about Lin
    2) this stuff about who is a true Lin fan. It’s insulting to constantly say those that have a different take on Lin as a basketball player or his team-mates and coach are not true Lin fans. Wanting the best for him, whatever your POV, makes you a Lin fan. And there will not always be agreement on things.

    Sometimes personalities clash. You aren’t going to love everyone you encounter on the net. That’s life. Best to at least be civil. And follow the guidelines of the board. I don’t always succeed at the former, I think I do the latter.

  • Acbc

    It’s really hard to stomach the way Lin has been treated for sure. I don’t watch games anymore as well. It’s not worth the aggravation. Hang in there Wu Kong. I’m putting a lot of faith in next year with MDA in Philli. The stars are aligned perfectly IMO. Let’s hope for their reunion and Linsanity 2.0.

  • Acbc

    Lol, can’t expect homogenized to ever appreciate marginalized.