G6 CHA @SAS PostGame Thread

Hornets was steam-rolled by the mighty Spurs in a 94-114 loss.

They were competitive until the Spurs made a 22-5 run to close the 3rd quarter, turning a tie game 71-71 to 76-93. Manu Ginobili made triple 3s in this run.

Jeremy Lin still hasn’t regained his shooting touch but did the right thing to attack the rim. He finished with 12pts/2a/3r/2tos/2pfs. Unfortunately, he only made 3-6 FTs after hitting 95% FT average in the season.

JLin had the right mindset to be aggressive to score when he checked in but as the game went on, he wasn’t the primary playmaker. The 2nd unit looked disorganized in offense and much worse in defensive assignments.

Jeremy Lamb was clearly given the green light to continue his hot-shooting and even the playmaker.
Hawes and Lamb clearly were not a playmaker, combining for 4TOs with 0 assists.

Either Coach Clifford or the Front Office wanted to experiment to give Lamb free reign after the contract extension. His loose defense and lack of playmaking will eventually hold him back this season so he can do what’s best for him as a shooter and sometimes a slasher.

There are too many ball-handlers and playmakers in this new team and things are very chaotic. Kemba played very well finishing with 27pts/4a in 11-15 shooting. We should see more Kemba/Lin/Batum but things have gone sideways since JLamb hot shooting and contract extension.

It remains a mystery how long Lamb will be given free reign as the playmaker, especially in the 2nd unit.
Things are not looking up as JLin is supposedly the main playmaker for the 2nd unit.
Lin would need to get his shooting touch back since it seems Coach Clifford will reward the top scorer as the top playmaker.
And JLin can’t fall into the trap of over-facilitating to help his teammates get going since NBA team will quickly take away his role as a playmaker when he stops scoring. He made 1-2 mistakes leaving Patty Mills open for 3s to help with interior defense which JLin can be prone to do at times. Mills had the Finals experience to hit big 3s so he should never be left alone for help with team defense.

Lin would need to get his shooting touch back since it seems Coach Clifford will reward the top scorer as the top playmaker.

And JLin can’t fall into the trap of over-facilitating to help his teammates get going since NBA team will quickly take away his role as a playmaker when he stops scoring.

Unfortunately, that’s the harsh reality of the NBA. Let’s hope and pray JLin will continue his aggressive mindset and keep scoring like we know he could.

MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 7 vs MIN
  • Rzo Vlade

    first!!!!!! LOL

  • Brent Yen

    2nd Maybe I should just delete the first to be the first!

  • JJ Hui

    2nd!

  • Yascar

    Third 2nd!

  • JJ Hui

    i beat you Brent! 🙂

  • Brent Yen

    No you did not LOL

  • JJ Hui

    what made you think so?

  • Brent Yen

    Because I sorted by new, and you are above me…LOL

  • blubell

    How many times have you done that? huh? lol.

  • Acbc

    A lot of people talk about how they wish Lin could play on a team like the Spurs. What they see is just the tip of the iceberg, literally. Most of the transformation of the Spurs have taken place over decades of hard work and determination to build a culture of slowly building up rank and file. That means that all players get developed SLOWY, METHODICALLY.

    What you see in the Hornets is an infancy of that culture. Their bench or specificly core bench guys are being developed as part of their future. Whether you believe Lin is part of that future or not depends greatly on your own leanings towards how positive you are or negative you are. IMO, I always look for the positive. It’s why I like this site because we try very hard to look at life in this way.

    BS was so bad a coach that he merits no mention in the discussion of coaching. Mchale at least tried to win, even though he only wanted to win with his own chosen ones. Mchale in comparison to Pop is an example of someone who can’t plan ahead and look long term for one game or a whole season. Pop on the other hand plans his games and season to peak with the maximum number of players playing well, including all the bench players. Spurs beat the Heat by pounding them ceaselessly one wave after another. GSW followed that recipe and wore out Lebron.

    Pop has the necessary guts and faith to trust his fledgling young bench players to develop through their mistakes. He screams at them for sure, but he plays them and gives opportunity to work through their mistakes. Mchale on the other hand would take Lin out the minute he makes any mistake and would lean heavily on his star players through out the game and all throu the regular season. MCHALE MICRO MANAGES BECAUSE HE CANNOT ACCEPT ANY MISTAKES. HE TERATS EVRY LITTLE MISTAKE AS AN INDICTMENT OF THE PLAYERS FUTURE ABILITY. With this inability to have faith and trust in his players, Mchale needs to play only his best players all the time until they need a few minutes of rest.

    A lot of us talk about how we admire team play, well team play requires development of all players. We wish for Lin to be playing on a team like the Spurs and GSWs but none of us are willing to accept the payments necessary to build such a team. THAT IS JUST WRONG. What I hear is that no one else but Lin should be developed. Lol. Team play and team culture is not about one individual.

    I personally have my own doubts about Clifford myself but I choose to look at the positives of what may become of this team IF ALL THE CORE BENCH PLAYERS ARE DEVLOPED INTO A SOLID UNIT EQUAL OR BETTER THAN THE FIRST UNIT. I have only crumbs to lead me to believe that possibility JUST AS many of you only have crumbs to believe that everyone on this team is out to make Lin into a toilet bowl cleaner for the first unit.

    Clifford at least seems like he’s doing all the right things to build a complete team. It may not be to many Lin fans who lube and die by each minute he plays. I will continue to believe that the process Clifford is on is to build a team that plays the right way and the new way.

  • zxcvb

    As long as Lin keeps attacking when he’s in, I have no complaints. He was in attack mode tonight — 13 shots in 22m (10 FGA + 3 FT trips). One of his “misses” was a last-second heave where he was fouled (and shot after-the-buzzer).

    NBA shooting is streaky. Even Curry and Harden miss 4 in a row and then make 4 in a row. I’ll split hairs on 4-10 vs. 5-10 when Lin is given consistent minutes,. Right now, Lin is not the problem. Clifford’s lineups are the problem.

    Lamb and Batum must play less. Hairston should not play at all. Lin and Kaminsky need more time. Hawes and Zeller stink, but I see their skills when properly motivated. Clifford cannot keep running the same broken lineups every night.

  • blubell

  • Good insight, @Acbc:disqus

    As a coach, there’s no doubt Clifford wants to have as many playmakers like Lamb/Hawes but there’s definitely politics involved the test JLamb as the playmaker after his hot shooting & contract extension.

    I think JLin and his fans have a dilemma here because JLin is the most effective when he’s the primary ball-handler. I think the best way is for JLin to score first so he’s trusted as the main playmaker. NBA politics is definitely favoring the talented scorers

  • BobbyH

    Have you guys noticed that the quick release that Lin worked on this summer/preseason disappear?

  • Maknusia

    why do you want JJ to be above you know?…jk jk jk

  • CJSHYY

    He did that today in trash time.

  • Maknusia

    why someone changes some of their fundamental moves..its gonna take time to be sustainable during game time…..just need to give it more time and continue the practice

  • Maknusia

    hmm we should start deleting Brent’s post

  • Rzo Vlade

    cause doc schepler shooting is garbage watch paul pierce shoot 1 foot in front and lunge forward to shoot his style is efficient not tiring 1 leg is being used and follow through arm wrist and other leg… very efficient

  • zxcvb

    I’ve seen it this season…just not nearly enough. And that’s because of low playing time and poor lineups. Look at that last 3 in the highlights — smooth, quick release. He needs more minutes and touches as usual.

  • PETE B

    Lamb is now an investment asset to Jordan and GM . the better he looks the more NBA trade value he has . when you want to sell something you need to dress it up

  • PETE B

    wat bout Step Curry , Pierce is 6 ft 8 “

  • blubell

    You don’t do that already?

  • steven ko

    come on Jeremy. you cannot let a guy named patty beat you. that is weak.

  • CJSHYY

    What Cliff wants just anyone who can score for the game. His job is more important than anything to him so he will go w hot hand no matter what…

  • Rzo Vlade

    jlin cannot utilized two feet jump three point hes not good……its time to use the paul pierce method if you watch wnba and female basketball most shoot this ways cause its not tiring…. very efficient

  • I agree, Lin’s attacking mode is great to see, esp. when his shots are not falling

    Clifford needs to designate JLin as the primary playmaker of the 2nd unit (at least 60%-70%) so they know their roles, plus enforce the discipline on defense. Spurs just killed them with so many open shots & great ball movement.

    There are no other ways for JLin to rise up other than being in Linsanity mode.
    NBA simply values great scorers like Harden and Curry despite any lack of defensive skills.

    Scoring > playmaking so JLin needs to establish his scoring threat first whenever he steps on the floor.

  • CJSHYY

    I also think Cliff doesn’t trust Lin bc Batum always not hot hand but he still let him run the O & stay on court but just not Lin.

  • JJ Hui

    i saw MW shooting 3 pts perfectly and then out!

  • JJ Hui

    Batum is also a TO machine! LOL!

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t think that matter now….

  • Acbc

    With any new form, it’s always 2 steps forward, one step back. Like I said, the percentage gained from a form change is 1-1.5 % return on investment. Lin has improved only when you look at it long term on an annual return. But he keeps moving closer to the 40% 3s benchmark and when he does, you wonder how he did it.

  • Patty Mills is not to be under-estimated.
    He scored 17pts in 18 min in 2014 NBA Finals to help the Spurs win the trophy.

    JLin just made the mistake to leave him 2 times to help with team defense.
    He’ll be fine & learn from it

    It’s about the offense now to show Coach Clifford that JLin should be the main playmaker, not Lamb/Hawes/etc. in the 2nd unit

  • zxcvb

    I think he’s supposed to be the 2nd unit’s #1 option, but Lamb has gotten really selfish. Tonight, I counted 3-4 instances of Lin being wide-open and Lamb not even looking in his direction. Those are the easy buckets in basketball, and Lin isn’t getting any of them.

    Even when guys are unselfish, you can always just load up on Lin and let Lamb and Hawes beat you. Which they simply can’t 9 out of 10 times. I would play Roberts more…he’s actually more proven than Lamb. His 2 pre-CHA years were quality for a backup PG.

  • Rzo Vlade

    lol freaking basketball takes time….putting the orange ball to basket takes time……is this job kinda engineering or medical profession………very easy to change shot and even create new moves…..I want to see him post cause he is 6″3 and his floater……and pattern your shoot to paul pierce or wnba shooting stroke cause it is a efficient shot not to tiring and less effort than 2 feet jump then release

  • CJSHYY

    That’s Lin biggest D problem. Why he always did that… no wonder they will blame him ….smh!

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I have to watch the replay,but based on the posts:
    1.Bad player rotation by Hornets
    2. Someone else is the playmaker for Hornets
    3.Batum playing way out of position AGAIN
    4.Spurs hot shooting go off at the right time.
    5.Where is the discussion for Jeremy’s minutes vs Spurs vs minutes vs Mavericks?

  • Brent Yen

    Really besides Lin fans…I have not seen ppl blame him so far…lol

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats was basically a heat check. they hit like 8 threes in the third.

  • Acbc

    I hope you will remember these dumb remarks one day when that form becomes the accepted norm. BTW, Lin is trying to lower his release point like stef Curry to have a quicker release.

  • CJSHYY

    This team is nice bc they don’t trash talk anything on the lose game. Like they get used to it… LOL!

  • JJ Hui

    I saw Lamb’s selfish play too! If not the game could be really close!

  • Rzo Vlade

    he is not steph curry he does not have quick release

  • Acbc

    I guess that means you’ve played in the NBA with Lebron?

  • zxcvb

    I know CHA isn’t tanking, but they’re acting like it with their lineups and rotations.

    Minimizing their roster talent with laughable moves like starting Hairston (whom they won’t even extend for vet min) and treating Batum like Lebron. Not to mention Lamb’s 1 good game making him the new 6th man.

  • Rzo Vlade

    lol common sense…putting the orange ball to basket takes time

  • I hope Lin and CLifford can tell them to pass good shots for great shots

    Hawes playmaking was also killing me. Lamb shooting was pure contract-driven

  • zxcvb

    You’d think he’d relax after getting a contract he didn’t deserve, but nope! Me First City.

  • CJSHYY

    No need to watch the game it’s boring & no fun. I really hate this… always like one good game then bad games… repeat… just like old days. smh!

  • Barry Allen

    Agreed, Lin needs to keep attacking. After a while, the shots will come. He’s too good a shooter for them not to.

  • JoeTeam

    4 just killed them. At the same time as 4 above, I wasn’t paying attention but a few really bad passes by PG and others. Lin was SG for some of that run. He did ok, but they gave up I think more than a 12-2 run.

    I don’t care if Lin has less minutes in a blowout like this … CHA aren’t as bad as LAL, but they aren’t as good as HOU was with Lin was there. They’ll get there … but I’m not sure about the bad reaction to a run … those guys gotta get their heads on better, not Lin, to get the stops and make those offensive moves much cleaner.

  • JoeTeam

    you want 7-0? coming up lol.

  • Brent Yen

    Com’on just leave the dumb part out

  • JoeTeam

    I was noticing it looks like Curry is just able to put it up from any starting point now. Seems he just keep practicing having that great launch platform from any starting pt. I notice Lin is better with his more planned shooting rhythm. I want to see him develop something like Curry has – release from a stable place from any starting point. That’s why I think Curry can do all those amazing circus shots.

  • CJSHYY

    I just don’t get why Cliff doesn’t want to play like preseason? Some players don’t want team ball or himself doesn’t trust Lin?

  • BobbyH

    Maybe it is nothing. But the closing 5 in 2Q, Lin is not one of them.

    3 close games with tough defensive teams and 3 blown out games. Still can’t figure out what Clifford’s plan for Lin. Too early to tell. But until it is too late.

    From those 6 games, this I know. There is not much for Lin to play his brand of games. Maybe it is the 2nd unit not playing in sync, maybe it is something else. But most of the time, Lin was just used as decoy standing and waiting for the ball to come.

    But in 4Q, I saw a glimpse of Lin style transition play that Lin just pushed the tempo whenever he got the ball. in 2Q, except the first minute when he was aggressive, he seemed to follow coach’s order to set up plays.

    I am still in puzzled mode.

  • zxcvb

    Clifford is always sending mixed signals. He says he wants consistent, 9-man rotations and then changes his rotations every single game. He says guys need to earn their minutes and then starts PJ and gives Lamb total freedom after 1 good game. Says Lin will lead the 2nd unit and then benches him early.

  • Brent Yen

    It is simple….there are 240 total minutes….Lin takes whatever is left…

  • JoeTeam

    I dunno, with 82 game session, I’m staying away from full game rabid fandom as long as I can because once I start, it’ll be GSW and CHA and the you know, I’ll miss Christmas.

  • Rzo Vlade

    he is not curry he has slow release like paul pierce thats why I said pattern his shot to paul pierce that shoot like a wnba female player

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Their rotation was good last preseason,but is getting questionable come regular season.I know that they consider these games “too early”,but still.

  • JoeTeam

    I guess you are right I dunno. Try as I did, I never got a good left hook so we are somewhat limited by who we are by the time we are 20 I guess. But I did take up new sports so maybe …

  • BobbyH

    I get it. Walker+Batum+Al+X+Y will take out most of the minutes. X and Y will never be Lin.

  • Brent Yen

    I would not say never….we shall see

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff doesn’t trust Lin. I doubt Lin will have good season as long as this coach will not play his game. smh!

  • BobbyH

    I meant the starter role.

  • Brent Yen

    He is not right, best WNBA shooters shoots just like man

  • JoeTeam

    Barbara Carrera and Sean Connery!

  • zxcvb

    Clifford can’t even keep his word for even 1 game. He says he wants a 9-man rotation with consistent rotations and minutes… and then goes back on his word every single game. He even said he has no idea who will close games this season anymore.

    Please do something, MJ. Fire Cliff and Cho. Bring in MDA and a barking dog. The season will turn around real quick.

  • Rzo Vlade

    his two feet jump then shoot does not suit him….it will only work if you have quicker release like curry watch paul pierce shoot at free throw thats the way he shoot little effort most wnba player shoot like that cause female get tired easily its a efficient shot

  • FSW

    Don’t understand when it went this way when Lin was hired for his pnr, playmaking and shooting and now a stand in corner guy again smh

  • CJSHYY

    BTW, any infor on coach’s post game interview?

  • zxcvb

    “Guys need to play harder” or some garbage, I’m guessing. “Spurs are too good and invincible. Just like title contenders Miami and Atlanta.”

    Hot air and meaningless PR speak every postgame. His actions speak for themselves.

  • JoeTeam

    I should learn how to shoot like a man then lol … I got the short man’s wild hook or fade or jump back.

  • Rzo Vlade

    “Guys need to play harder” ………..its that kevin mchale

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Really Garbage indeed. But what else could he say…? Ugly game. smh!

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Ah well,this is Spurs.They tend to feast on players overhelping in team defense.I don’t blame Jeremy though.

  • CJSHYY

    He is more & more like Mc. I don’t think he likes Lin now.

  • Brent Yen

    Shooting fundamentals are the same, but the mechanics changes from person to persons. be aware of the mechanics but do not be obsessed with it.

  • JoeTeam

    Yep … hey, hello for this year. Are you still working for the gambling feed company? That is, do you still get to see great vid whenever you want? I still remember you and your dad watching games. I hope you have some good times with him on that.

  • heart

    It’s getting scary to think about it…

  • JoeTeam

    I know, I’ll take my son and get a few lessons together. I learned in the playground and on those driveways where you have to do hook shots some days because my friend’s dad was parked there.

  • zxcvb

    He just needs more minutes. Not 17m one night, 27 another night. 15 next night, 22 after that.

    Ty Lawson has played 36m tonight: 4p/4a, 2-9 FG. He’s regarded as a Top 10 PG talent and he’s way worse than Lin next to Harden.

    Rhythm is so important. Lin gets minimal minutes with no consistency and selfish, incompetent teammates who can’t catch passes, make layups or sets screens. At some point, CHA should give him a chance.

  • Alain Gervais

    Did he really say that??? where???

  • Alain Gervais
  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Well the newly signed 7 million dollars man got only 2 buckets in 8 tries. He contributed no assists; just like a babe waiting to be fed in 23 minutes. Jeremy Lamb is not ready for big time basketball. He can’t handle pressure.

    Going back to the old Hornets, this team is going to have a long season. Jefferson couldn’t carry the team. It’s proven. When the 2nd team is not clicking with Lamb as the primary option, the 2nd team simply folded up. This is a good way to show the FO that Lamb isn’t ready for big time basketball. His minutes will kill the team if his shots stops falling. When Lin is given 30 minutes or more, this team will start clicking.

    Also when old Spencer Hawes failed to deliver, please send in Kaminsky to do his job.

  • zxcvb

    I have no clue. I’m just sick of hearing the same stupid “PR speak” from Clifford and every coach not named Pop. It’s all meaningless, so I’m just parodying his usual schtick. Sorry for the confusion.

  • sws94

    He is absolutely nothing like McHale. Cliff makes very intelligent assessments and evaluations of the game. He has a very good understanding of the game of basketball.

  • zxcvb

    He already used the term “ball was sticking” this season.

    NOOOOOO

  • Alain Gervais

    Real interview. Coach blamed no one. said the unit late in third wasn’t quite ready for the tempo of the spurs. Basically Spurs are a better team. Learn and move on

  • leeda harun

    Test

  • Alain Gervais

    He didn’t say that

  • Alain Gervais

    He didn’t say thath

  • leeda harun

    we have to wait until 8 games…..if there still no changes than we Know it is going to be a long season

  • zxcvb

    He actually did. Didn’t make that part up.

  • Alain Gervais

    Its not in the NBA.com vid

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Yes still working there,and yes we had a noisy household last Finals between Warriors and Cavaliers haha

  • Uh-Oh

    Can’t believe that comes from you! Mmmm….good one though!

  • Alain Gervais

    WE lost to the” spurs”. we will get to the playoffs. Spurs are just too good. They are the original us. team ball and all. of course they won with better chemistry and players

  • zxcvb
  • Alain Gervais

    thx

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats october 29

  • leeda harun

    agreed. Spurs lot of experienced player s.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The point is Lamb is too fragile. Lin is a warrior that Lamb isn’t. When things get tough, Lamb won’t heck it.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Not really,but I question Clifford’s rotation and lineups.With McHale I question how the frack did he get the HC job when he can’t even coach.

  • Sundown

    Over the short term, this was the game most expected to be a loss. Learn from it and move on.

  • zxcvb

    “unit late in third wasn’t quite ready for the tempo of the spurs.”

    That’s exactly the PR speak garbage I was parodying. They “weren’t ready” because they’re not playing their best passing, running, defensive lineups. No real analysis or change of game plan. Just “Spurs are better!”

  • Alain Gervais

    I don’t believe in lamb either. He isn’t a playmakers. Unless he plays 30 per he won’t be much help for lin. Make him just a C&S player. Maybe cutter type player. More Lin PNR. Awes and Zeller have been worse and even more inconsistent then Lamb

  • Rzo Vlade

    :40.9LACPaul Pierce makes a 26-foot three-pointer from the left corner. Assist:
    Blake Griffin

    paulpierce shooting style

  • Alain Gervais

    Patience my friend. It takes a while to build a team.

  • leeda harun

    i wonder if clifford learn anything from thibs. , van gundy and dantoni especially about offensive plays

  • zxcvb

    Hey, I hope you’re right. But there’s that old saying, “Insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

    CHA is being insane. They need to be…Linsane.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Ugh, a good percentage of Hornets are played out of position,Jeremy Lin included.

  • zxcvb

    No evidence of that so far.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Well the thing is they made better decisions in preseason,that went kaput come regular season.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I’m glad they play the Spurs. Lamb is really exposed that he’s simply not ready and Lin is the real thing.

  • leeda harun

    So the first unit is kemba’s unit and secon d unit belongs to lamb?

  • Alain Gervais

    i understand. i loose my patients at times. check my history lol. But Lin has to do a better job of not getting 2 fouls in the 2nd. Thats Cliffs limit. He took out Hairston when he got 2. He did bring in Lin earlier then expected in the third but that worked horribly. Its all chemistry and facing a Better team. Still a lot of promise

  • Rzo Vlade

    sums up

  • zxcvb

    Kemba can be demoted to #2 when Big Al is hot. Lamb is #1 no matter what.

  • sws94

    We need to cool it with Lamb. We’re making him out to be more than he is. The problem with the second unit is I don’t think the player’s complement each others skills. Lamb can score and sometimes makes a nice dish when he drives instead of scoring. But he’s no leader the team.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin has to stop picking up 2 foul in the first haif. Its limiting his minutes

  • CJSHYY

    Intelligent assessments? I don’t think so.

  • sws94

    The offensive fouls were so-so calls, though.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yea but its been 3 games in a row i think. it happened last game for sure. 2 early foul take him out.

  • CJSHYY

    Wolves beat Bulls today so next game maybe will not be as easy as we thought.

  • leeda harun

    patrick ewing is still there. Maybe he wil be the next hc

  • Alain Gervais

    Good no blow out.

  • CJSHYY

    Blowout or not Cliff will not let Lin on in the important 4Q moment unless he plays well (score a lot). So…. smh!

  • sws94

    Not true. He did so in the first 3 games and he struggled in the 2nd game and in the 3rd also

  • CJSHYY

    After that Lin’s playing time cut down under 20 min…

  • leeda harun

    because of politic. I guess lin will outshine the first unit …

  • JoeTeam

    Love it, you and your dad must have had some nice reaction to the ‘best player in the world’ comment.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    As long as Lamb was on the court, nothing worked. Right now Lin is sent in the game with the 3rd team to play the garbage time in the last 4 miinutes. If you deducted that, Lin’s minutes is about 18 in the game while Jeremy Lamb is rewarded 23 minutes. That’s why the Hornets lost big. Lamb is just super soft.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Then he picks up no other fouls the whole game.

  • Alain Gervais

    Still Cliffs limit for first haif is 2

  • CJSHYY

    I am glad Lamb played w 1st unit for the down trench in 4Q today. Lamb couldn’t do well w 1st unit. W/O Lin, he couldn’t score well. Maybe coach wants to bring Lamb to 1st unit after 10 games or so…?! Let Cliff do it.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If they give 30 minutes to Lamb per game, then the team will lose many more games.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin played 22

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Because they just don’t let Lin control the tempo of the game.

  • JJ Hui

    Yeah and dont know why the coach didnt want to bring out the best of their players, so strange!
    Why played them out of position to throw them off? And then yell and get a technical?

  • CJSHYY

    W/O trash time, only 18. I am OK bc at least he can pad his stats a little bit.

  • Yascar

    https://twitter.com/librafree/status/663237630503456768

    Hope we get a video of this. I’d love to hear what he said after the game.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I have told everyone here that this game is going to be a blown out by the Spurs and Lamb won’t be able to have his way。

  • Alain Gervais

    games was over since end of third so thats redundant

  • Teal

    So looking at Jeremy’s minutes, it appears that he is the 3rd string SG on the team, after Batum and Lamb? What happened to Coach Clifford’s “playing Kemba-Jeremy” at the same time on court?

  • leeda harun

    lamb is still a playmaker for the nnext game….why h? cos he is s stil new and need time to adjust his game

  • guest

    We hear you, Lai.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    As soon as Lamb is signed, those have been thrown out of the window and the team started giving minutes to Lamb but the 2nd team began to crumble.

  • Yascar

    Lamb happened. If MKG was playing, he’d get even less at SG.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s history.

  • Teal

    Then Jeremy will be the 4th SG? That’s mind blowing…

  • Teal

    So fast it’s history already? unbelievable!

  • guest

    Since you’re right this game? You think Lin will play bigger role soon? What’s Lin’s future with the team?

  • It’s interesting to note that the Hornets vs Spurs NBA.com highlights features a lot of Kemba/Lin/Al+1Lamb

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/663241611887837184

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The reason is politics get into the way of sports. Lamb is simply not ready. He’s a good shooter but he creates nothing and he only plays well when he gets fed. While the FO is congratulating themselves the team starts to fall apart. It’s good for the Hornets that this is found out early in the season. All they need to do is to bench Lamb and only plays him when he’s ready.

  • zxcvb

    Lamb simply isn’t rotation material. Not right now. He can statpad in blowouts…that’s his only “skill.”

    He’s just slow and confused on both ends of the court. Tonight, he played selfish to boot. CHA is doomed. They extend the worst players and act shocked when they’re mediocre to awful every year.

    Try something different. Play Lin, Kemba and Batum together. Play your lottery pick. Enough of this losing formula.

  • Yascar

    Well Batum will presumably play more and Lamb is first one off bench so Lin will get leftovers as SG.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    How do I know? Perhaps they begin to offer Lin a much bigger contract the year after but I seriously doubt how they are going to round about it. The Hornets seems to have a tendency to sign players up for an extension before they they let them play.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    and Jeremy Lamb’s minutes exploded.

  • guest

    ok, fair. no wonder somebody said Char Hornets is dysfunctional.

  • CJSHYY

    Well, just like Cliff said we can fix it in one day. So… just wait & see… LOL!

  • Teal

    ;P

  • CJSHYY

    NBA wants Lin to be hot again for Asia viewers to grow. I think that’s why he’s on the national news a lot recently.

  • guest

    This marketing strategy will back fire as the referees always give bogus foul calls on Lin. These bogus calls turn off Asian viewers!

  • TTNN

    yeah, if Lamb is that good, OKC will not trade him and take Waiters instead.

    First of all, OKC is not a place do not know how to develop rookie, and second, OKC desperately need a reliable SG after Harden trade. And Lamb could not crack into their rotations, it is not like he don’t have his opportunity. So sooner or later, he will come back to earth.

  • Dorothy

    That was history…

  • Maknusia

    Lin usage for this game was still high….to me what was lacking was…the was trying to do too many things on a ball possession rather than an efficient and patient play

  • JJ Hui

    Hawes was clunky, clumsy, slow and poor shooting too!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I figure that they couldn’t cut down on Lamb’s minutes right away. They would give him at least one more game to redeem himself. Lamb is not ready to play the game competitively. He will blow his assignment the same way as the pressure is on and the Hornets will lose another game before coach Clifford can do something about it.

    Looking forward to another blowout in the next game but I figure Lin would be more ready to adjust to his recent role.

    Mind you, Lin was sent in to play in the garbage time this game. it would be a sign that he would be having more playtime with Kaminsky. On one side, he’s demoted to the third team. On the other hand, he got to play with the future of the franchise, Kaminsky, more. MJ is definitely high on Kaminsky and he’s playing better and better. Perhaps, in a few games, he might even displace Hawes if Spencer stopped producing.

  • CJSHYY

    Then let NBA knows…

  • guest

    Alright, Lin is there to groom the 3rd unit? wow, thought he’s supposed to be the 2nd unit leader. Things really change fast with Cliffort.

  • heart

    They won’t bench him. They just paid him. Benching him will embarrass them. IF they allow Lin to be PG to make good plays and feed everyone to make easy shot, especially Lamb, then it’ll be a win-win situation for all. We’ll see…

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Blow out by the young and athletic Wolves!
    Old Jefferson might have his work cut out for him.
    It wouldn’t take a genius to prepare for the Hornets next game.

    Both Kemba and Big Al would be shut down and Lamb would suck the same. This is going to be my prediction. The Wolves does have talents. Perhaps they are not as experienced as you want them to be, but once they start their game aggressively, they would take down the Hornets easily. Right now, the Hornets is soft with Lamb there waiting to be slaughtered.

  • guest

    Asian viewers gotta think of a way not to let the NBA make money out of their Lin fandom. They can contribute to Lin’s popularity in other forms, i.e. buy his endorsed merchandise. Just dont let NNBA make a dime!

  • I listened to Coach Clifford’s post-game interview which praised Spurs execution well and pointed out + and – of this team. He’s not too down losing to the miss-we-will-make-u-pay Spurs

    I think he knows his team is not ready again the well-oiled Spurs team but competed well at times.
    Hornets blog sites also took the loss in stride and not blamed anyone specific besides noting the bench was not doing well.

    I get the sense Hornets media is patient that this is a new team that is still growing like a toddler trying to walk and run. There will be falls and bumps before this Hornets will be ready to run.

    Personally, JLin is doing the right thing to keep attacking & getting FTs to get his shooting touch back (40%FG tonight so it’s ok). Other players can’t do much when their shooting doesn’t fall so JLin showed his true values to make a difference.

    So let’s give this toddler team some more time to grow & learn to walk. Usually, it will take at least 25-30 games before a new but disciplined team will hits its stride. Losses vs great teams (4-2 Spurs & 7-1 Hawks) are not to be ashamed of and will let them know what they needed to learn.

    I think we’re too hard with this young team & JLin due to PTSD in the past 3 years.
    Let them have growing pains & we support them when they fall repeatedly learning to walk.

  • sws94

    Dorothy, they only played 6 games this season. That wasn’t history. We need to stop panicking over 6 games and look objectively at how Lin is playing. Clifford got Lin on court with Kemba in the 3rd and it didn’t work well. Lin messed up defensively tonight. If he doesn’t play better he doesn’t help Clifford win games. Bottom line. As soon as Lin plays like he’s capable of, he’ll get the playing time back regardless of anyone else on the team.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s why I said it’s good to let Lamb to play w 1st unit.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    He has played well in the two games that Hornets blew out the opposition. It was easy for him to take his shots. In competitive games under pressure, he has never produced well and he would be able to change the tempo of the game. He’s not a game changer. He could decorated the results like decorations on X’mas tree but he’s so soft.

  • guest

    psalm, why are my posts even appeared and sent to my mail box still disappeared from the site? Two user names disappeared. I DM you but you didn’t reply.
    Gotta resolve this. Thanks!

  • sws94

    He played well. This obsession with Lamb needs to stop. Lin drives his own fate. If he plays better, Cliff will play him.

  • Yascar

    They were quite down on Lin on ATH and Real GM which I personally thought was a tad unfair given he was really the only one doing any work in the 2nd unit, particularly in the first half.
    Not like Lamb was doing anything at all or Hawes.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I think it would help Lin to spend more time with Kaminsky, the future star of the Hornets.

  • hm, let me check. I’ve got 50+ posts in pending & deleted due to a banned troll & heated discussion so I know the mods have been super busy

  • sws94

    And WAY too obsessed with Lin’s minutes and Lamb in general. Stop panicking and coming to bad conclusions about Cliff. It’s getting hard to read all of this everyone hates Lin stuff. It’s not true. He’s not playing great but I think this team knows how well Lin can play. He’ll turn it around and Cliff will show confidence in him when he does. If he plays well and Cliff still sits him, then we have something to complain about.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The FO played politics by signing Lamb too early. Now they have to pay the price! The Hornets needs a losing streak to wake them up.

  • Brent Yen

    Not entirely agree, but thank you…lol

  • guest

    The problem persists and never got resolved..such a pain not to be able to engage in the discussion consistently.

  • sws94

    Just the typical fan overreaction stuff. If he comes out and plays well the next 3 games they’ll sing his praises. Hawes is getting killed too but I don’t think he can improve much.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Once the FO gave the extension contract to Lamb, everything had been thrown out of the window. Politics comes first in NBA.

  • CJSHYY

    I believe if they played like vs Bulls (Lin’s team ball theory) they would win this one. Don’t know why coach just didn’t do it? I thought he needs the win to keep his job???

  • guest

    Fingers crossed!

  • sws94

    SA got too hot in the 3rd and they are just too experienced and well coached. The loss might have been closer, but this wasn’t going to be a Charlotte win tonight. SA’s second unit especially was good.

  • guest

    I dislike Lin fans jump the gun too early. But it seems Lin’s leash is much shorter and he’s not allowed to play through mistakes…

  • CJSHYY

    I know SA’s 2nd unit will do well vs Hornets bc before the game, Manu already said respect Hornets we will have our best game.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    After a few blown outs in the presence of Lamb, the first unit is going to complain. Then they have to stick Lamb into the 2nd unit exclusively. After a while, the 2nd unit would suck so badly that the coach had to put him back in the third unit and classify him as a project for long term development. It just takes time. Once the FO farted, the coach had to adjust and surely it would stink on the court.

  • Yascar

    Hope so. They are getting a h*** of a bargain in Lin even when he plays average.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Your logic is sound and the signing of Lamb would teach the trigger happy Chao a good lesson.

  • kauaiblue

    Psalm, why r my posts deleted as spam? Im a ling time loyal jlin fan wo making trouble here and careful and respectful about what youre trying to do. I pointed out a history of troll like behavior on the part of a poster.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Yeah, he would then be totally exposed. Hairston could do a much better job than him on defense. His shots; don’t mention it. It would only work when the pressure is not on him to score.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin is left with the last unit.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin’d better learn this. He can play defense as hard as he wants but no foul please.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    With him on the court, the Hornets has to go to ISO game to score.

  • hm, could be part of the cleanup that other mods have to do recently related to the banned troll or Disqus automated feature. So far I couldn’t find in pending but let me look. It’s a little hard to find in hundreds of posts

  • Steppen03

    Hellooo, fellow JL7 fans,
    I have a proposal for MJ & Cho: Give JL7 $45M for 3 years, and he can BE that All-Stars player in the 2nd Unit, coming off the bench, and in a limited role. That’s okay by me.

  • Maknusia

    i only see you as guest…what your handle name?

  • kauaiblue

    Ok thanks…

  • ok, I added usernames in Whitelist.
    I think Disqus might automatically categorize multiple usernames in same IP address as spam, although not consistently. I approved some normal posts.
    Let’s see if Whitelist is going to help

  • guest

    When I use my laptop to post under Yellow and Maine Lobster, they appear briefly and also (sometimes sent to the mailbox) then when I refresh the page, they all gone missing!!!
    Oh even posted under guest, it happened a few times on a previous game thread
    too!
    I wasn’t even having any fighting with anybody but on its own, the post just gone. sigh

  • guest

    My home IP address constantly changes. No way Disqus can recognise my IP address.

  • Brent Yen

    Discus is not perfect I guess

  • blubell

  • I approved 2 normal ones and some could be deleted by mods due to personal attack (although in retaliation). When you receive personal attacks, please refrain from retaliating and report to mods.

  • Steppen03

    That’s why the Hornets have to offer him, JL7, $45M/3 yrs next season and they can bash him all they want when he’s under-performing.

  • PETE B

    Love this

  • for some reason Disqus categorized them under 1 ip address so it could be the gateway IP of the ISP

  • I also added you to Whitelist so let’s hope it lessens the chance Disqus automatically put them in Pending/Spam. It happens sometimes for mods/long-time posters too.

  • Maknusia

    are you saying disqus is racist?

  • PETE B

    I feel that Spurs look at cha beating dallas and said hey we need to win no matter what . And after halftime exploded . Every team needs to beat Charlotte bc of Lin and hype. Lin plays against opponents for personal pride . The spurs showed that tonight . Clifford Batum and hornets need to recognize they are a marked team to beat by all other nba teams that want to knock them down. No more easy games easy wins for CHA

  • guest

    No, i don’t usually post under two handle at the same time but today i decided to try and see…the disappearance happened to Maine Lobster long ago yet not resolved despite I informed you earlier.

    It seems ok this morning those comments that I used my cell phone to post but not the laptop.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Don’t be despair. Happened to me as well:-) I couldn’t do anything about it as I only have one handle:-)

  • Darin Tanaka

    I’ve seen all the games so far this season. I don’t think Lin is doing that badly. He’s getting used to his new teammates and quite frankly Hawes and Zeller have been really bad to the point teams are ignoring them on defense to cut the lane off from Lin. He had an off shooting night for the past couple of games but for the most part his shot looks good.

    Physically he looks good, he’s getting by his initial defender at will and he’s also able stay front of his man on defense. I don’t have much of an issue with Batum running the point (if he’s playing well) because this allows Lin to play off the ball which he really excels at. This way teams can’t double team him on the PNR and he will be able to score easier.

    I really hope Kaminsky can get some of Hawes’s minutes because he’s shown he can be an offensive threat which will open up the lane for the entire second unit.

    I’m fine with Lin playing the second unit as I’m not a big of Big Al. I feel his game really slows the pace of the offense down and his defense is really bad. I don’t think Lin would really be utilized well if they were on the floor together.

  • Maknusia

    could be bcoz lobsters are not yellow…lol

    normally, i refresh the page, and login to disqus upon it fully loads and only then I click on load more…else there seem to be a problem in Disqus to capture the login name

  • Teal

    Ok, I gotta say this: You pay an employee $2m/year, in return, you get to expand the whole industry and your brand by close to billions additional customers ( China, Indonesia, and other continents where Asian migrants inhibit). You receive hefty sponsorship that you could never imagine before. The additional revenue brought about to your team, the city, the industry is tremendous and rough estimation by Forbe is approximately Hundreds of Millions$$$

    At the beginning, you got all excited and started to promise to treat the employee well, and maybe promotion too…but the turn of the event is that you realise you didn’t quite know how to respect the talent of that employee while you have other employees to please, also stuck in the politicking of the entire industry…so the poor employee is not treated as promised yet the Asian consumers/clients cant complain as it’s still too early to complain. The customers are asked to be patient and adopt the “wait and see” attitude. Repeatedly, some customers feel abused and manipulated. Some just continue to render support and remain positive in hope of better days.

  • Sundown

    Some of the harshest criticism came from Lin fans on those forums. The regulars were mostly chill except to say Lin (and much of the second unit) played poorly.

    This is a new phenomenon: Lin fans going to a team site to over react in a NEGATIVE direction.

  • guest

    I’m lazy to log in to post so the guest posting.
    I like the two handles as they have meaning for my Jeremy fandom. *.*

  • Sundown

    Disqus needs to let some posters play through their mistakes.

  • guest

    cheese baked lobsters are yellowish in color…hahaha
    those handles are not disqus log in handle…they are just guests like uh-oh, steppen3, etc

  • Dong Xu

    Well said. Cliff need to learn a lot from Pop. It seems Cliff still test the lineup and roles. But Batum shouldn’t play PG, Lin should play more.

  • Spot

    It’s Clifford. He’s just not good enough.

    Lamb will always play more than Jeremy cause he’s taller. Jeremy can only be Kemba’s substitute. That’s the reality.

    Let’s see what happens but I won’t say anything more or people could think I’m a troll or become a tiger fan.

    KHuang is right when he talks about racism anyway. I don’t see another reason why. To them, Jeremy is still an Asian puppet who doesn’t have the body to go against NBA big men.

  • PETE B

    Life is unfair , NBA culture has been unfair , At some point I will turn my back on NBA games and NBA merchandise and I will feel fully justified bc it does not allow certain types of players to succeed

  • Teal

    I don’t want to point finger at anybody for Jeremy’s under usage. In the grand schemes of things, everybody has its fair share of role to play in the outcome. And of course I can’t rule out racism.

  • PETE B

    Cutting revenue is only way to affect this kind of entity

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    How come Jeremy did not get to shoot free throw after he was fouled at the 7:23 minute mark on the highlight video above?

    That was a clear foull while going up for a lay up.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If you’re a TRUE Lin’s fan, stop your fantasy about the the Hornest and Clifford having an agenda that Lin is important to them.

  • PETE B

    If Clifford is lazy he will not win games to last till February . he will need to review every strategy and player and work twice as hard the next few weeks . He has asked opinions from many coache friends like Tom thibodeau and I’m sure some of the failure was from these advisors , so we’ll see in a few weeks what has changed if anything…

  • TTNN

    yeah, I was wondering about that, looks like that’s not called as shooting foul? Lin was trying to shoot though.

  • guest

    I had the same question too.

  • PETE B

    Agree 100% lin has been marginalized since preseason. Where’s any leadership from anyone that Lin is a teammate who can contribute to their success , nothing but bad basketball

  • Teal

    True.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It comes to the point that whatever Clifford said, it does not go with what he does on the court.

    What I have more respect for McHale and BS was they told you that Lin was not a factor but they allowed Lin to play more.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin needs to stop playing TOO hard, too intense all the time. play smarter.. model his game after Curry’s

    1) stop taking too many charges. it’s risking an injury and refs are biased against him

    2) stop overhelping. it leaves his man open for 3’s, plus his own teammates will think he’ll always be there so they slack off

    3) stop trying to block everything, diving after every loose ball, and avoid collisions. again, it’s risking an injury and coaches/gm’s would see him as a scrub fighting for minutes. leave all of that stuff for real scrubs. teams may think twice about giving multi-year contracts to a player who may seem risky, injury wise

    4) on offense, don’t always drive so hard and get smacked to the floor all the time. use the floater, or make quick passes

    he really needs to watch Curry who doesn’t do all of the above things. Curry lets his game come to him naturally and he trusts his teammates to make the correct moves both on offense and defense. he doesn’t overhelp cus he trusts his teammates will cover their own man. and on offense he doesn’t always have to initiate plays. in fact, he plays a lot like a shooting guard than a point guard. nowadays, you’re not going to get the kind of freedom to be a true point guard like when Nash played. it’s a democratic offense most of the time. he just needs to get his and make the best of it while trusting his teammates to do their part

  • real-dsb

    Thanks, great highlights. Shows a lot of unconverted assists.

  • zxcvb

    Not very useful advice for Lin. If Lin were getting 34-38mpg in an offense 100% designed around him with elite passers and defenders he’s played with for 3 years, then he should emulate Curry. Otherwise, there’s nothing to discuss.

    If there’s an analogous situation to learn from, it’s Isaiah Thomas in Boston, who shoots like crazy off the bench. And tonight, Lin did just what IT does — make or miss, just keep shooting and attacking. Tonight he got 12p in 22m despite weak FT shooting. Give him 25m and he probably gets 15. Give him 28-30mpg and that’s 18.

    Lin did overhelp on some 3s tonight, but he’s been better at that since LAL/HOU. And for all we know that was Clifford’s direction since he gave Lin some extra stat pad time that BS and McHale never would.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You ended with:

    “Clifford at least seems like he’s doing all the right things to build a complete team. It may not be to many Lin fans who lube and die by each minute he plays. I will continue to believe that the process Clifford is on is to build a team that plays the right way and the new way.”

    ++++Then root for the Hornets, I see nothing wrong with that. But if you’re here at JLinportal, pls be HONEST. Under Mchale, Lin was used more and better efficiency. It’s a shame that anyone here to go any length to defend a coach that once promised SPACE, PnR AND FREEDOM TO PLAY LIN’S STYLE but all the sudden, the opposite.

    New day??????? That day will never come with Lin as a Hornet. He’s done and gone. Hope you’re still an Hornet fan.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Come on psalm, Good insight? Are you really serious thinking that you’re completely Ok with how Lin being used with this team?

    IF YES, GOD HELP OUR MAN, JLIN.

  • zxcvb

    Typical ref garbage against Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    STOP STOP STOP. You’re now buying into the bull and excuses that going on with Lin. This is not what he signed for. No space, no race and no Pnr. Even LBJ with a wrong coach he would be worth NOTHING.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The Hornets and Clifford deserved this wake up call and many more to come. Taking Lin out and Keeping Lamb to close the first half for the first time since he signed an extension, which was nothing but to confirm what I’ve said days ago about the new beginning. Lamb will close game with Kemba. NOT Jeremy.

  • KL

    Darn, and I had sbscribed to League Pass for the first time.

  • guest

    NBA and the Hornets homepage fooled you?

  • your son’s voltaire

    i don’t know what you’re talking about. i just watch a lot of GSW and Hornets games and noticed how vastly different Curry’s and Lin’s games are. there’s a lot of things Lin can pick up just by watching Curry’s game. notice how Curry kinda just floats around on defense and uses his smarts to get steals or deflections. he’s very effective. he probably learned from all of his prior injuries and now uses his head. probably the smartest player today. oh, and his sharp shooting helps

  • KL

    It was the preseason and the free trial that fooled me. Prior to this I never let them have my money so easily.

  • KL

    I have to admit that you were right. Though I still have some hope for the season. Clifford may well go the way of all the previous coaches who refused to trust Lin and faced losing as a result.

  • guest

    think of a way to get back…though i don’t know how.

  • your son’s voltaire

    the Warriors do have excellent players around him but the Hornets aren’t exactly chop liver. Lin really needs to trust his teammates and let his game come to him. he doesn’t need to force anything. i’m all for Lin taking more shots but not like how IT does. he’s just not gonna take ill advised shots. not his game

  • guest

    Won’t work unless and until Lin is the face of the franchise. Lin’s role is different from that of Curry’s. You can’t compare both.

  • your son’s voltaire

    what won’t work? playing smarter and not harder? i’m sure Lin can do that even if he’s not the face of the franchise

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lamb is just a really AWFUL defender. i’m sure Clifford will come to realize this soon. but he may experiment more with Lamb since he likes him from the very start, just like PJ

  • your son’s voltaire

    he should really dump his curry agent and hire you!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    There is obvious changes in the way Clifford managing the rotations.
    First Lin is made to fill other roles like playing against McDermott against Chicago and Kyle Anderson and San Antonio.
    That is to say, coach Clifford couldn’t even find minutes for Jeremy Lin to stay on court. Is Jeremy Lin the PG for the 2nd unit? Yeah, for a brief period. Clifford told everyone that the offense is not going to center around Jefferson. Wrong for now for whatever reason.
    (Lin-Hawes connection became shaky which was probably the reason) that Clifford had to shift back to the first unit and the old game. The ball movement became so bad that you could see from the stats.
    Assist ratio of opposition against Hornets:
    San Antonio: Hornet is 35:15.
    Dallas:Charlotte is 15:19
    Chicago: Charlotte is 26:26
    Atlanta: Charlotte is 22:27
    Atlanta: Charlotte is 23:23
    Miami: Charlotte is 23:16

    The new game plan was given no time to grow and Clifford reverted back to Jefferson and the old game.
    Ball movement in generally got worse and worse.

    There could be multiple reasons.
    The playmaking of Walker, Batum, Lin was not working well.
    enough and Clifford got tired of losing and he wanted to win so much that he gave up on the previously well thought game plan.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If it worked like in Dallas game, we have nothing to say. But when the change was persistent and Hornets kept losing, then it would become an issue.

    Yes coach Clifford cut short the time that Lin leading the 2nd unit playing PG for the Hornets. Lin was move around to all positions, playing SG and even SF. It became a mess to create room for Jeremy Lamb to stay on court. If it fails gloriously, then Clifford would have reason to adjust. Let’s hope that from now on, the Hornets get blown out in every game they play when they switch back to their old form.

    Poor Jeremy Lin is adjusting to his new roles now worse than before. Hope that he could be mentally strong enough to break through. We all know that Lin is too good to be left on the bench and Lamb would not be able to will for wins under pressure. Before long, Lin will come back to run the 2nd unit again.

    The principle is if the change is working and help the team win, then coach Clifford has every right to do it for the team. But if it doesn’t work, Clifford will have to answer for the results of changes of letting Lamb take over Lin’s minutes and plays.

  • your son’s voltaire

    how much did u pay?

  • KL

    I think it is about $200 for the whole season. Not sure how much they will charge if I cancel midway through the season.

  • blubell

  • Phillycheese

    Every time the Hornets 2nd unit missed the Spurs were able to push it. Why was that? I suspect the transition defense was missing. Several time Zeller and Hawes never even made it into the play. Spurs had the Hornets scrambling on D. Hornets definitely did not know how to play together. The guards were run through so many screens. The SA offense was such a good team to watch swing the ball around so easily.

  • your son’s voltaire

    wow. expensive. that must be the all in one package (TV, Broadband, Mobile). i don’t know what you can do to get out or whether or not they charge early cancellation. but if you can somehow get out of it, you can always catch the full replays on nbahd.com for free

  • your son’s voltaire

    i really hate Lamb’s defense. he doesn’t even know where to stand most of the time. Hawes is just so damn slow. and Batum sucks at defense also

  • your son’s voltaire

    wow. expensive. that must be the all in one package (TV, Broadband, Mobile). i don’t know what you can do to get out or whether or not they charge early cancellation. but if you can somehow get out of it, you can always catch the full replays on nbahd.com for free

  • TTNN

    I post this in at the hive. I re-watched the game, other than Lin missed couple of shots, he did not play bad, but that second team is really something, and Batum was silently played pretty bad during his time play together with the second team.

    During the time he was playing together with Lin, he was trying to take the game over, and there was no ball movement, really different brand of game there. Same with Lamb trying to play make, that second team has less ball movement than the first team. I hope coach will be mad at them.

    =============
    Event at end of 1Q since 2nd team in:

    Lin 2pt
    Batum shooting foul
    Zeller 3pt miss (not sure what kind of offensive set give Zeller a wide open 3? He is the only none 3pt shooter on the floor )
    Hawes TO
    Lamb TO
    Lin drive in miss
    Lin 3pt miss
    Lin drive made 2pt
    Batum TO
    Lin half court 3pt heave miss

    That’s a 4-14 run. Hard to do anything with consecutive TOs there. They don’t even got the chance to get the shot up.

    End of 3Q: Since Lin check in to the end of the quarter, it was a 5-28 run.

    Zeller miss
    Lin miss
    Jefferson 2pt
    Batum miss
    Jefferson miss
    Lin miss
    Batum miss
    Batum miss
    Batum turnover
    Hawes miss
    Lin free throw 1-2
    Lin turn over
    Lamb 2pt

    During this last stretch of 3Q, nobody could hit anything. On the other side, Ginobili hit 3 3pt, Mill hit one 3pt, and Spurs did not miss anything.

    This second line up is weak in defense, Hawes has worse defense than AI.

    Coach in the past two games has been playing Batum full 1st and 3rd quarters, and usually when the second team is in, he is trying to take over the game, and I think that’s not really good, since he is getting tired at that time, and we try to add load to him at that time? I don’t get why you don’t let the fresher 2nd line up to take over the game.

  • Spot

    Good coach vs bad coach.

  • Spot

    Agree. Just a wishful thinking, unfortunately

  • Spot

    My only hope is he loses games so they will fire him.

  • adele

    Very true. Reality check for us, the FO extended Lambs contract not Lin. They have to give Lamb the time and play. They don’t trust Lin. ‘Sigh’. Lin can be the best floor general in the team. Humble, unselfish and team making plays whether his team mate is a star or not. I keep on praying and like what Lin is enduring, he is patient and I guess we have to learn from him.

  • adele

    Another miracle for coaches and management to trust Lin.

  • KL

    What is wrong with the second unit? I know many here have expressed unhappiness over the rotation. But I would appreciate views on the second unit.

    It seems that the coaching staff was always planning on Lin playing with Hawes, Lamb and Zeller (based on interviews). It was ok in the preseason but they are now flailing.

    Spencer Hawes seems really slow. I wince everytime he does that pump fake and slow drive to the basket. I am reminded of Ryan Kelly and how that did not work.

    Cody Zeller is more athletic but something seems wrong with his timing. Lamb has too many defensive lapses in concentratio .

    Lin has worked better with a big that can screen and then quickly roll to the basket like Tyson Chandler, Omer Asik, Ed Davis and to a lesser extent Greg Smith. Pick and pop with Jordan Hill and Carlos Boozer was only so so.

  • adele

    For all we know, it might have some blessings from the management. I don’t understand why the coach have to make trial and lots of experimentation when they have the pre season line up working well. If Clifford just wanted to win games, he should know if he is smart. But then talks are cheap and his actions in the court are different. Why not collect wins first and make your experiments when you have wins already and not bury your team to the bottom with a lot of loses first and have to catch up.

  • adele

    Only if Lin is allowed to play like Curry. Nobody in the coaching team and management will let him do that. Wake up.

  • adele

    You think Curry can do what he is doing if he will just stay in the corner and wait until somebody will pass him the ball? Or be told to play different positions in different games and with less playing time for anybody to adjust? Please be real and try to wake up from your illusions.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Batum is so bad as the primary ball handler. i don’t even recall one single game where he’s been effective leading any unit. he makes horrible decisions and when he’s not passing, he’s chucking. the worst part is, he doesn’t pass it to Lin and he neutralizes Lin’s strong points. the experiment with Batum at the SG has got to stop. it was never a good a idea

  • WillChang

    I just saw the game. A little constructive criticism.

    Lin was good on the first half but honestly appeared unmotivated in the second.

    I understand the 2nd unit was not performing and Batum had the rock a lot and Lamb was trying to get his, but I really think Lin should take a little more initiative and demand attention.

    I’m not sure what the strategy really is, but I don’t think Clifford will mind a little attitude and “nasty” from Lin. If love to see some myself as a fan.

    Lin wasn’t that inefficient in his shooting or TOs but the minus 37 doesn’t look good.

    I really look forward to some aggression next game! 🙂

  • Yascar

    Nice write-up. Really clarifies what happened there and shifts the scrutiny a bit to Batum. Up until then, it was all Lin and Hawes and how terrible they were.

  • WillChang

    Agree with you

  • adele

    Sad but true. Patience…patience.

  • adele

    Maybe for one game. This team is a all about experimenting, testing and lots of trial and errors. Is that the kind of coaching Lin wants? One can only wonder.

  • your son’s voltaire

    he has to make the best of his situation. what i’m suggestion is good for him in the long run. to avoid injuries and conserve his energy so that he can perform even better on the offensive end. he needs to look out for him and his contract. the team will win games anyway, he just can’t be sacrificing all the time and make himself look bad doing it. he shouldn’t feel as if he has to win every single game

  • kittyhead

    Just like CP, if you have FO’s love, you are allowed to do everything. They want Batum to be the point guard and now Lamb…smh Lin needs to score first, or people wont take him seriously and gets marginalized again.

  • your son’s voltaire

    you can’t deny how great Curry is, man. sure, GSW have a much better system that they’ve played for years. but the drop-off when Curry sits is HUGE

  • your son’s voltaire

    yes this. he needs to learn from his days as a Rockets playing with a bunch of selfish players. the team will win games whether he sacrifice his game or not. but if he doesn’t get his own numbers, he’s gonna get shafted once again

  • your son’s voltaire

    i thought he was playing too intense throughout the game. as if he’s trying so hard to shoulder the burden cus he wanted to win so badly. he got caught over-helping and they made him pay a few times with 3’s. his main priority on defense should be stopping his own man from scoring, especially the 3’s

  • KL

    I never really gave Clifford the benefit of the doubt. Already seen too much nonsense from the previous coaches. Just waited and watched. But after this game I am definitely downgrading Clifford in my eyes. He seems to be making rotation decisions without giving Jeremy a fair chance.

    I did notice that initially Batum played better when Lin was on the floor with him. That was because Lin was playing SG and Batum could play at his more natural SF position. Instead of playing Lin more with the starters, Clifford is causing Batum to play with the second unit more, as SG and therefore limiting Jeremy’s playmaking.

    Lamb had some hot shooting but coach took Lin’s minutes with the starters and gave them to Lamb, not realising that Lamb cannot produce at that level without Lin.

    I could go on but you get the picture…

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    What I can say about Jeremy is they really played him like the bench player. If he plays well and scores well, he gets to stay longer or else he wouldn’t be used to finish the game. He would be sent in the garbage time with the third stringers too. The honeymoon between Hornets and Lin is over.
    Now it’s time for Lin to think of himself and not the team. What’s he going to do after this season. Of course he will opt out. Learn as much as you can from the coach. Clifford knows a lot about the game. Any player as smart as Lin could make good use of the knowledge and put into practice.
    Mind you, Jeremy Lin, if you are hot shooting, you can do whatever you like on this team. Don’t fancy that others would do the same to you. That’s life. Don’t go help defense too much to hurt yourself.

  • kittyhead

    I think he got a lot of opportunity in OKC but his defense is really bad. I dont believe he is a player who likes to pass as someone(cho or clifford?) said in the offseaon.

  • your son’s voltaire

    there was never a honeymoon to begin with. lol. from Clifford’s post-game interviews since the preseason games, we all pretty much saw this coming. he liked PJ and Lamb over Lin, and he wanted Batum to play at the SG position. this should be of no surprise to Lin fans. Lin has to look out for himself but the problem is he’s always sacrificing his own game cus he’s so unselfish and he hates losing

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    That’s exactly the picture since Lamb signed his extension with the Hornets. Lamb would get the role that Lin used to have. It’s him to lose it.

    Jeremy should practice hard on his jump shot. If he’s hot, he could do virtually anything he likes with no problem. If not, he has to comply and give up the ball. It’s about it. They are going to use him just like any other bench player.

    As far as Lin is concerned, there are a few things that Lin’d better know.
    This is a long season and anything can happen. Don’t give up hope and learn as much as you can about the game. Then move on. You have your option to leave this team if you don’t like it. Jeremy will have his skills that many teams could use. Just work on your one on one move and jump shot. Your ISO game will help you to stay on the court. Don’t indulge yourself too much on team ball.

    I do think Lin is a complete player that Lamb is not. When people started figure out Hornets’ game, they would be ready for Lamb. I dare say Lamb would be schooled this season just like his days in OKC.

    It’s important that Lin learn to make himself unstoppable one on one which is going to be the case when time moves on. Great cross over and hot shooting will earn Lin the time to make plays and stats. This is virtually Lin’s contract year. Lin has to show the whole world that he could help his team; notably in scoring and making assists. Make sure you defend well and stop sacrificing too much on team defense.

  • Brent Yen

    word

  • Brent Yen

    The problem is basically the same as Lin was in Lakers….Lin initiates a PnR then the ball never got to the weak side…someone just shoot it happyly

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lamb is an important pieces of the 2nd unit. He will run the 2nd unit. Lin will have to give up the ball a lot more for his hot shooting; if not, Lin can keep the ball more.

  • KL

    I think Clifford is not a good coach on the offensive end.

  • John Focker

    15 asts vs 35 asts, whatever happened to teamball?

    As long as Jeremy Lin does not act as playmaker in ANY capacity, starting or bench, the Hornets are only marginally better than last year, and will hang around 9th in the EC.

    It’s like someone has a blowtorch but insists on using sticks and string to start a fire.

  • Brent Yen

    I see the general solution provided here is to ask Lin to attack(shoot). I guess it is really a great solution….lol….

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Just don’t lose hope. It’s a long season and anything can happen.

  • Brent Yen

    I have not seen good defensive scheme/concept either.

  • Maknusia

    Lin’s usage rate was still higher than Batum….It was just not Lin’s nite, nothing was working for him and he was trying a little bit to hard. A good take away was, he didnt become tentative and kept his aggressiveness till the end.

    As Lin said, its too early to be judgmental

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    As a bench player, the only way that you can get play time is through ISO game and good defense. Lin has to give up his team defense helping out soon. Just don’t let your man open for a heartbreaking 3.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin did have some chance of playing as PG and running plays but with Lamb and Hawes, Lin will only have limited success. Just wish Lin be a bit more selfish.

  • your son’s voltaire

    if he can just play solid defense on his OWN man and get around 10 shots off per game, i’d be happy. plus, play smarter like Curry

  • Brent Yen

    Curry is not smarter, just more free

  • kittyhead

    Anyway he wont listen to us at all.(shrug) Maybe he wants to be Nash-like…but he doesnt have a D’Antoni now or Nash’s skills(lol).

  • Brent Yen

    LOL….he will find a way

  • kittyhead

    After 3 years of torture, he still doesnt listen and learn lessons! smh

  • your son’s voltaire

    no, he really is smarter. i’ve been watching his games and comparing him and Lin’s. Curry doesn’t over-help, he rarely takes charges, and doesn’t put himself in position to get injured. on offense, he doesn’t drive all the way to get smacked onto the floor.. he uses floaters or makes quicker passes before reaching the basket

  • Brent Yen

    This help thing has been debated here like for 3 decades now….

  • LinLinLin

    Agreed! I like Curry a lot but this Curry’s better than Lin thing has to stop. At least on this site.

  • Brent Yen

    No he is not…but he shoots better

  • Teal

    Hello Brent, I am not even 30yo…;P

  • your son’s voltaire

    the desire to play like Nash has got to go. you have to have EVERYBODY behind you to be able to do that which is impossible in today’s game. everybody is too selfish, they won’t allow him to handle the ball all the time

  • sws94

    I agree with you. Lin has the opportunity to do well here. Pop once said to his squad I’m seeing unconfidence out there, I want to see some nasty. Give some nasty out there. Something like that. That’s what I’d say to Lin.

    For those complaining about Lamb, Lin fans have to stop finding scapegoats when Lin doesn’t show that nasty which he very capable of showing. If Lamb doesn’t play right on the second unit, go to him and tell him to swing the ball. That’s what a floor general does. If Lin just doesn’t assert himself as chief chef and lets a sous chef take over, whose fault is that? I’m getting tired of the Lam and Clifford are terrible, Batum is terrible, the refs are terrible stuff. The refs make bad calls but not only against Lin, Clifford is trying to win games and Lamb is playing like he knows how and had 2 good games and a not so good one last night. But Lin isn’t playing anywhere near his capabilities. And that’s the bottom line. He stayed aggressive and drew fouls but in when he was on the floor with Kemba, he didn’t do enough and there was Cliff giving him a chance to be a big factor.

  • Brent Yen

    LOL….obviously I have exaggerated…lol

  • your son’s voltaire

    he definitely shoots better but the part of his game that’s seriously underrated is his basketball IQ

  • your son’s voltaire

    why? it would help Lin out if he pick up a few things from the best PG in the league right now and possibly a top 5 PG of all time

  • Brent Yen

    I think his IQ is really properly rated…..imagine a Curry with AVERAGE shooting ability. What will GSW looks like…? ;p

  • sws94

    No PnR big man, too slow, disorganized, too many facilitators.

  • LinLinLin

    I know you mean well but seriously you think Lin doesn’t observe and learn from Curry(or they learn from each other). There are many factors/dynamics on a new team, every game, coaches instructions, etc.
    Lin hasn’t been given enough PT to gel with his teammates, understanding everybody, etc. So it isnt fair to compare and being so critical.

  • your son’s voltaire

    there are times when he’s in a shooting slump and they’re still making runs

  • sws94

    He’s way better than Lin now. He’s improved dramatically. He’s an incredible basketball player and he shows a higher basketball IQ than Lin does in more games. I don’t mind Lin taking some defensive gambles, but helping and leaving 3 point shooters for them to get open looks has been going on too long.

  • sws94

    It is fair. Basketball is about attitude. Curry has attitude, Lin HAD plenty of attitude during Linsanity and runs in Houston. You’re making him a victim too much. Lin was given the playing time and he’s beginning to seem to make not only his coach, but some of his team mates not as confident in him as they were. That is on Lin and nobody else.

  • Brent Yen

    It is different from if he is just an Average shooter….slump is just temporary

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’m not being critical. i’m just pointing out the obvious differences between the two players and it’s huge. i think that if Lin, with his first step and size, played a little bit more like Curry, then he’d be unstoppable. plus, he’d avoid injuries and conserve energy

  • Brent Yen

    That will only happen when Lin can shoot like Curry, all Curry did was built on his shooting.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well, being able to shoot like Curry does allow him to be more confident and put his mind to use in other parts of his game. but it’s not like Lin can’t do that without being a sharp shooter like Curry. like, he doesn’t need to over-help all the time, he doesn’t need to drive all the way to the basket all the time.. he can use floaters, he can pass it earlier.. et cetera

  • LinLinLin

    I think LIn has the toughest and best attitude in the whole NBA.
    The only gripe I have with Lin is that why didnt he learn to shoot better much earlier.
    I have no complaints with other aspects of his bball skills.
    Just fyi, last night Curry had a few ugly handles when pressured by SAC, yet his fans didn’t complain, the announcers were silent. See the difference?

  • sws94

    Lin is doing what he did in both Houston and the Lakers. He’s deferring. He’s deferring to Batum to facilitate. Batum can help Lin facilitate only if he is being trapped hard. Otherwise, wave him off, go out and get the ball from him if he’s being double teamed, assert yourself. I can see him deferring to superstar Kobe and somewhat to Harden, but please, Batum? If he wants to play off-guard and let Kemba run the show when he is in with him, fine. But be ready to take over at times too. Kemba said he likes Lin to help him.

    That’s what is concerning me most about Lin right now. He has a chance now to end that. He was more aggressive last night but he still is deferring too much.

  • Brent Yen

    Whole Curry’s advantage on offense is about defense overly commit in advance. Floater is a low percentage shot, and not too many player can hit it with high rate (some can, indeed.)

    On the defensive end…which is another story….I think Clifford is not as good as advertised.

    All in all… IQ is not really Lin’s issue.

  • Brent Yen

    I guess let Batum brick is one way to do it lol

  • sws94

    Brent, Lin has to change his future. Basketball is about asserting yourself. That’s the NBA culture. Duncan may be a nice guy but on the court he was a beast. A leader. A force. Lin has to be that force again and not just be a complementary player. Basketball is still competitive and Lin has to remember that. Batum at least is asserting himself, and Lin bricks too.

  • Brent Yen

    Well…I know we will not get to see it ….but if Lin does what you say….and ended up with an average (FG% not too hot, not too cold)….I really wanna know what his minutes may be in that case…lol….

  • sws94

    Lin can shoot midrange well, but nobody shoots like Curry. Lin has to use his midrange and step back more. And Curry has built his handles up to a way higher level than Lin. Lin has to continue to work on his handles.

  • Brent Yen

    Lin’s handle is fine….I am actually impressed this season about his handle…but yes…I like your mid range theory…

  • sws94

    He doesn’t always on the court. Nobody is perfect, but Lin isn’t having the impact of Curry. Curry is in the position he’s in due to outstanding play. Lin is deferring. That’s the difference.

  • sws94

    It’s not fine. I disagree. His handle is probably still below average for an NBA PG. Look at Kemba’s. That’s good, secure handles.

  • Brent Yen

    Well…agree to disagree then….on handle I meant…LOL

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’m not saying Lin as low basketball IQ, i’m saying he’s using it in a way that doesn’t exactly help his case (it helps the team – ie: overhelping, taking charges, sometimes over-passing). especially in today’s game, he’s not always going to get to be the primary ball handler (like Nash once had). nobody is going to allow it. he needs to adapt to today’s style of play for guards. Curry doesn’t always initiate plays either, he’s more of a shooting guard than a point guard. he cuts aggressively and uses screens to get open. let me put it this way, if Curry didn’t have such a high basketball IQ, he’d be SwaggyP.

    defensively, it’s really Batum, Lamb, and Hawes who are bad

  • sws94

    At least 28 minutes. That’s fair. And he was close to that the first games this season. Lin hasn’t transitioned to regular season well. Everyone was very positive on him going into the season, Charlotte fans were loving him. Now they are wondering what happened to him. They had nothing against Lin, he hasn’t carried over his pre-season form. Part of it is shooting, but part of it is also presence and acting like I’m the veteran here and I’m taking charge in games.

  • Brent Yen

    Over Helping is not helping at all….any player know…you do that…your team will fail…unless it is about some specific personnel…

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think he will get 28 mins by doing that…if he shoots good..yes…there is a difference BUT….I have to agree he is not getting 28 mins now either….LOL

  • sws94

    He has to stay tight on great 3 point shooters like Mills. You can’t gamble and go for rebounds or overhelp with a shooter like Mills. There’s no excuse for it anymore, it’s just bad basketball IQ when Lin does that.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i dont think the coach told him to over-help. he needs to let who ever he’s over-helping to just fail so they learn instead of always depending on him to always be there

  • your son’s voltaire

    exactly. his priority on defense should always be his own man, especially preventing those 3’s

  • Brent Yen

    this is one part that puzzles me..if Coaches are not asking him do it, why they did not chew him up when it happens…It is not complicated….you do not even need average IQ to know it is generally bad

  • sws94

    Why not? He has more experience and skill than anyone else on the 2nd unit. Clifford wants to play him with Kemba and tried to yesterday. Clifford wants him to finish games. It really is up to Lin and he doesn’t just have to shoot well. Draw fouls, run the offense better, play sound defense, play like the good Lin and he’ll get the minutes. Clifford is not against Lin.

  • LinLinLin

    I’m not sure about Lin’s deferring..I must say you’re fortunate to not have any politicking in your office. Sometimes, you just cant bulldoze your way and you gotta defer. And I think, in Lin’s case, now, deferring may appear to hurt his career but imho, since Batum and whomever he defers to, isn’t as good or better than him, then let them fall flat so that you get to shine again…well, at least this is the experience I gained from my relatively young career…

  • Brent Yen

    Because he will need to fall in a above his average range to make anyone happy. Just being average (to his standard) will not be good enough for coaches, in terms of deciding minutes. Like I said, if he is hot…then there is no debate…

  • your son’s voltaire

    well, if a player over-exerts himself, the coaches aren’t gonna complain. they have a hard enough trouble forcing players to play somewhat decent defense in the first place. notice how Lin has been over-helping throughout his career. he simply thinks his teammates are incapable (albeit true most time) and he wants to win so badly everytime

  • sws94

    I can see where coaches and teammates get frustrated. He has the size to do this and is quick enough. In preseason, he was great against Reddick because he stayed with him. His going back to old, bad habits is all that leaving a great 3 pointer open looks is.

  • Dorothy

    LIN: STOP TRYING TO BE NASH. IT WILL ONLY FAIL YOU.
    YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM AND TRUST NASH HAD.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yes, it is frustrating. but how do you tell your player to exert less effort? that’s just not something a coach want to preach to his players

  • Brent Yen

    Well…..I will hold my judgement for that…I think the simpler answer is just it is his coaches scheme.
    Clifford is not really good at D in some cased from what I can see….

    For example, his double team help always came from the strong side…why is that? you help you die..

  • Brent Yen

    The second sentence basically applies to every case anyway.

  • sws94

    I’ve dealt with office politics for 4 decades. You can’t always say it is politicking. You sometimes have to look at Lin and patterns and look at where he’s responsible. Trying to pass everything off to everyone but Lin makes Lin fans sound unrealistic and whiny. Sometimes Lin doesn’t do the best thing for himself and he can get into bad habits and tendencies. I think now, Lin has a chance if he plays smarter.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i see that a lot. especially when playing against big like LMA and Dirk who can hit those midranges all night

  • Brent Yen

    I agree you should DT them…but the help came from strong side means your defensive possession will end badly immediately

  • LinLinLin

    I agree to some extent though not wholeheartedly…

  • LinLinLin

    I think many fans are losing sleep like I did…night everybody, it’s been a long weekend and I have tonnes of work to finish before a short midweek public holiday.

  • Brent Yen

    Just say…look at Kobe…one of the greatest and how he in general plays defense…jk

  • sws94

    Give him a strong directive to stay on the good 3 point shooters. Look at the film and show him where he’s done well and where he doesn’t. Keep talking to him which I hope Clifford is doing.

  • your son’s voltaire

    exactly. today’s game has moved away from that. there is nobody except maybe CP3 who has that kind of freedom. it’s become a democratic offensive system everywhere today. you just gotta look for your own shots. and if you’re lucky and you have unselfish players on your team, the ball will move

  • Brent Yen

    We need to start a club where @Dinoneseus:disqus will teach us how to sleep during the game…lol

  • sws94

    Kobe is irrelevant.

  • sws94

    Lin has to fix what he can for himself. He can’t fix other people.

  • your son’s voltaire

    kobe is actually a good example. kobe thinks his teammates are worthless on offense, while Lin thinks his teammates are worthless on defense. so they both try to take over respectively, and these are their biggest flaws

  • sws94

    Lin’s game isn’t all shooting. He can score 8 points at the line in many games. He has to run the offense, position guys, wave people off, if he sees any holes make the quick decision, and at times get out and run before the defense sets. Defensively, he has to not let guys get open 3s mostly from over helping. If the guy can’t shoot, that’s one thing. But guys like Patty Mills have to be covered closely on the perimeter.

  • sws94

    you can’t be Nash without a PnR player. Nor can you be Stockton. He has to figure out how to make Hawes lessen the damage he does out there and that’s not easy.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’ll have to review the games. i just think Lamb is a moron. the guy always has to be told where to stand

  • Brent Yen

    I think to those requirements…he did ok….offensively.

    Defense…I think it is the coaching…their defense is so bad….

  • Brent Yen

    Nah…you do not have to and CLT is giving up corner 3s at an alarming rates for some reason.

  • Dan Cohen

    I didn’t…I lost sleep because of my baby.. I didn’t expect him to do that well like linsanity, esp when someone I forgot who keep saying he is a spurs-killer, I know it will jinx it. Also it’s liek preseason.. if it’s 1 or 2 games in the preseason it’s nothing to get excited about..but even when it’s 7 games into it and he was playing well, I had high hopes for reg season..and everytime I think of that, it might be a jinx..and it is. So no high hopes anymore. lin is what he is.

  • Dan Cohen

    trust me you will sleep better, if that is what is bothering you.

  • Dan Cohen

    he does..just that they sux as a roll player.

  • Dorothy

    The way Lin plays, is mostly rely on his teammates’ mercy to succeed. He needs to build merits in the coach’s eyes. For Clifford it is scoring if the players are not tall to play “defense”. SMH

  • Dan Cohen

    but it might be the coach to tell them to make the set plays..
    but might be only lin that is following.

  • Brent Yen

    Given I see Clifford was almost never sat down…I would assume he calls a lot of plays

  • Dan Cohen

    face it.. there is no more linsanity of 25 and 10, so stop wishing for that. He is not in charge. If he is not in charge, again there is no linsanity.. what doesn’t people here get.

  • Maknusia

    each year here is considered a decade…thats how long the debate been going on…lol

  • sws94

    Not really. He likes that Lin draws fouls and passes well. He’s said that a lot. If Lin got a lot of assists to big men or gets them open looks and the offense looks organized he’s doing his job well.

  • Brent Yen

    Who?

  • Yascar

    I get what you’re saying but the one thing that does give me a little bit more hope is that Jeremy is, for the most part, staying aggressive. He can’t do it all himself but he is still in a better situation than he has been in the last 2 seasons.

    I hope he figures it out and starts impacting the game more. He probably has more support in Charlotte than he has had in HOU and LA – that’s not to say it’s a whole lot, but I really don’t think he needs much. Just a few more chances. A few days to get his head straight and take care of his body. Maybe it will all come together soon.

  • Dan Cohen

    it’s too rigid then.. it’s not football where you have many seconds of getting ready for next down… basketball is fluid and flows and fast break point has no structured set plays. Other players doesn’t ‘run’ to the other end of the basketball or fast fast.. they are like jogging when lin got the ball and trying to run. All players are slow.. either that, they do not understand what fast breaks are.

  • Dan Cohen

    the little attitude and nasty from lin is gone once he converted to christianity.

  • Brent Yen

    Another reason why I was against Lin to Dallas…..Rick calls like 90% of the play himself…

  • Dan Cohen

    from his HS coach, he said lin had that in him but he grew up later.

  • sws94

    Lin. But the 2nd unit has issues. I think Hawes is just not a good big for Lin. Lin needs a guy to feed on the drive and a roll big.

  • Dorothy

    Sure, which coach does not like that? But in Clifford’s eyes Lin is not doing a good job, even if Lin tries to do those, but his big men can not finish it. Clifford is no different from any coach we saw previously.

  • Dan Cohen

    Can also maybe because batum is trying to learn how to play SG… becasue the org wants him to..so they are more tolerant of his mistakes or miss shots. If so, how long will it stop if batum never really learned to play sg? It’s like trying to fit square into a round hole.. overtime the square might turned hexagon ..but willNEVER be a circle.

  • sws94

    Where do you get that idea? I don’t agree with that. Just because Clifford isn’t playing Lin as much as we wants doesn’t mean that he sees Lin as just a scorer. He is different from coach’s we’ve seen previously so far. But Lin is responsible for keeping himself on the floor. If he doesn’t do the right thing on the court he sits. That’s the way it is with any coach.

  • Brent Yen

    I think to Lin…he needs a big who can swing to the weak side quickly…like what they did in preseason. If the ball ended up always a Hawes 3……it will not be good….

  • Dan Cohen

    then that means mda does ‘get’ it.

  • Brent Yen

    It will not stop….Batum at 2 was one of my biggest concern toward this team

  • sws94

    The first unit looks good. The second unit doesn’t seem to be executing like the first. Even when Lin isn’t playing the 2nd unit doesn’t look good.

  • Brent Yen

    You need to git a spell check…..it is “git” lol

  • kauaiblue

    I just called time warner cable to cancel… they said there is a disclaimer when you ordered… essentially, if the rep told you that it is non refundable when you ordered, there is nothing you can do about it… so i told them no one told me… they r actually going to listen to the tape to see if the rep told me.. . I dont recall anyone told me that its non refundable… so ask them to do that and get your money back!!

  • Dorothy

    I can not read Clifford’s mind, can only watch his action to interpret his mind. If he appreciates Lin’s playmaking, we will not see Batum and Lamb play PG so much.

  • Brent Yen

    Sorry to hear that, no…you can not refund LP indeed..

  • Brent Yen

    Not disagreeing…just that who mans the ball does not make them PG…

  • sws94

    Lamb isn’t playing PG. Batum does sometimes but sometimes Lin gives him the ball. There are so many times Clifford called plays for Lin and told Batum to get out of the way. He isn’t against Lin, he’s supporting him on and off the court.

  • Dorothy

    Agreed. Even when W/L was on the line coach still let Batum play 2, it is going to be a looooooooooong season.

  • kauaiblue

    Why would clifford sacrifice wins to have batum learn to play pf? If this is the case, clifford is worse than i thought… he is going down fast in my book… jeremy, you gotta get nasty with these people… you got a huge fanbase… you still have the clout to exert your political will… we peons would get fired but you still have POWER!

  • Brent Yen

    So far I still agree with this…very true

  • Dan Cohen

    I actually think kemba and lin is better than batum and lin..because batum is trying to fit into the 2 role.

  • Brent Yen

    No doubt….

  • kauaiblue

    R u talking to yourself? Lol

  • Brent Yen

    I was wondering about that too…lol

  • sws94

    Yes

  • sws94

    He’s due for a breakout game. But his unit isn’t great. He’ll play better.

    Lin usually plays well against the Mavs and the Spurs. Very well. Maybe in the next meeting he will when he is more used to his team mates and the coach.

  • David Kim

    Hornets trying to put elephant(batum) in a refrigerator.. Lol

  • Acbc

    Really good work there. Thanks

  • Brent Yen

    That is one heck of a refrigerator…

  • cdblue10

    Cliff has the right players to compete but he doesn’t recognized their natural position,prolly he does but just trying too much to cater a player.Batum has been a role player in his whole career and there’s a reason why other coaches put him on that position.

  • cdblue10

    Lin is just waiting for oppurtunity to lead this team.

  • KHuang

    I’ve been BLASTING Batum’s lack of SG skills since preseason.

    I knew it would be a major league fail that would SINK the Hornets.

  • KHuang

    Not me.

    I was almost completely satisfied.

    Lin PRODUCED, despite the lack of concentration on free throws.

    Lin’s gonna have games like this where he singlehandedly tries to carry his hopeless teammates but cannot.

  • KHuang

    Sorry, but Lin’s role as backup PG is to get teammates involved.

    It’s not really hurting Lin’s game so much.

  • KHuang

    No, Batum and Lamb NEED TO be distributors so that Lin can shoot.

    Lin shouldn’t always pass. He needs to be created for too.

  • KHuang

    Lin has Chris Paul freedom too.

    But unlike Paul, Lin can’t just EJECT Spencer Hawes for playing like a corpse!

    Now I know why Chris Paul wouldn’t tolerate Hawes coming in and loafing around for the Clippers.

  • KHuang

    How can Lin “defer” when he’s putting up a whopping 10 shots in less than 25 minutes???

  • KHuang

    It’s NOT LIN’S CALL.

    Besides, he’d be a BALLHOG if he shot more than the 10 shots he jacked up!

  • KHuang

    He ALREADY IS from the bench.

    But Lin cannot get anything out of Hawes and Zeller.

    If a guy, particularly a big man, cannot produce alongside Lin in multiple games, that guy is a SCRUB and ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH to compete in the NBA.

    Lin has a long list of getting legitimate NBA production out of 3rd string big men like Ed Davis, Greg Smith, and Steve Novak. Those guys are SCRUBS who cannot get the job done without Lin, yet Lin got them to produce anyway.

  • CJSHYY

    He wants to play the game like vs Bulls but don’t get why coach didn’t do that w all their road games so far?

  • KHuang

    Clifford’s problem is that he’s so wrapped up in the eye test that he’s trying to ram nonproducing players into roles that they appear to have the physical traits for.

    The problem is that physical appearance and ACTUAL PERFORMANCE are totally not the same.

    Too many no producers are out there looking like cardboard cutouts and playing like cardboard cutouts too: Batum at SG, Hairston, Hawes, Zeller, and even Lamb.

  • WillChang

    R u and KHuang the same person?

  • KHuang

    It’s not entirely the coach.

    Zeller and Hawes decided to play against Chicago and Dallas, so that allowed Lin to get a good flow going for the bench.

    But whenever Zeller and Hawes lay down and play dead, Lin cannot singlehandedly carry their dead weight.

  • KHuang

    The only reason Kemba and Lin sorta works is NOT because of the totally untalented Walker.

    It’s because Clifford knows better than to put Walker out there with Hawes and Zeller.

    When those two stiffs are off the court, Lin can produce because then the ball moves and opponents cannot load up on Lin defensively.

  • Brent Yen

    I was thinking about this too

  • CJSHYY

    I mean team ball vs ISO. But Hawes did play bad vs Spurs. smh!

  • CJSHYY

    Batum is not PG but coach asked him to do it…? Don’t know why Cliff wants Batum to be Nash? LOL! Why not let Lin to be Nash?

  • WillChang

    I see your point

    But I saw Lin just not being assertive enough..being the floor general. He let the SGs and SFs take over

  • sws94

    He’s defering as a leader on the court and facilitator.

  • sws94

    Not shooting. Leading. Facilitating. Running the offense. Remember when Lin grabbed the play board from McHale and made a scheme and ALL of his teammates paid attention. That’s being the leader he can be. Not letting Batum do this.

  • cdblue10

    I’ve been saying that Hawes and Zeller are not a good fit for Lin both of them are bigs that’s only looking for shots(poster shots),Hawes is trying to be a Center point guard,Zeller is just a young 7 footer always looking to make a bucket to see his pretty points on highlights reel.They don’t know how to create space and help their teammates to get freed because they’re thinking about themselves to make a play first before the plays will developed.

  • sws94

    Exactly.

  • webattorney

    Lin got more points than I predicted which was 8, but got less assists than I predicted which was 5. He also got slightly more PT than I predicted. I can’t imagine Lin getting more than 24 minutes from now on. Lin did pretty well during 1st half. What concerns me is I cannot see discernible improvements in his game. It’s going to be hard for Lin coming off the bench when he’s not the type of player who can start hitting shots right off the bench; some of his misses were not even close. A miss is miss but they were way off.

  • cdblue10

    It’s hard to play teamball on this team because they don’t have a solid structure to follow,if the Coach will assign a GO TO player in the second unit and give them a specific roles then team ball would exist.As long as everyone is trying to score and make their own plays,they won’t be successful.

  • webattorney

    Kemba is a decent player. his handle allows him to weave in and out and open up some spacing for teammates to shoot. Batum was the worst player on court I thought.

  • CJSHYY

    But they did well in preseason & vs Bulls. I guess some players probably don’t like bc they do care about their stats…?!

  • webattorney

    I don’t know how Clifford allows Hawes to get any PT. smh

  • adele

    Correct. Bottom line is, Clifford allows the stars to play with their mistakes. He gives them more minutes. Lin? Clifford yanks him out with any reason he can find. I don’t hate Clifford as much as mchale or bs but I don’t like him at all. He is not true to his words. His actions in the court speaks otherwise.

  • cdblue10

    In pre-season games,players don’t play in full gear they’re just trying to get their cardio and rhytmhn back,can’t gauge those games in real NBA game.

  • sws94

    I think Zeller could be usable. Hawes is just not cutting it.

  • Phillycheese

    I said at the beginning of the year I was worried because Hornets have no rol men to play alongside Lin. None of the bigs can play above the rim.

  • CJSHYY

    I know that but vs Bulls they played so well, right? Their best game so far this season.

  • WillChang

    Nash can almost play with anyone …he did for five years…Lin need the “perfect” teammates …that’s the difference

  • webattorney

    I said several times at the other Lin site that I didn’t understand why Lin was coming to Hornets to play PnRs when Hornets had no big men who could play PnRs. I saw one pre-season game, and that was enough for me to know this. Because of this, I honestly don’t think it matters all that much even if Lin was to start as a PG. Lin will not be as effective without the bigs who can play PnRs. Otherwise, there are no bigs to pass off when he decides to drive to the rim or penetrate.

  • cdblue10

    They did …but you can’t replicate things on every game like shooting 3’s very efficiently

  • CJSHYY

    Team ball vs ISO. That’s the key Lin is fighting for now…

  • spiderman
  • sws94

    Bemba sometimes is a very good offensive player. He played very well the last game.

  • sws94

    He needs to use his mid-range game. His dribbling is better but still needs improvement.

  • sws94

    Nash had more variations and better timing in his passing. He played with more confidence even though he didn’t have the best handles in the world. He’s a better shooter.

  • cdblue10

    1st unit plays a little teamball because they respect each other.When Kemba and Al is out Batum takes over and trying to shoot the ball on every position.When Batum is out,Lamb and Hawes tries to take over the lead role.

  • cdblue10

    Hornets considers Lin as the 8th or 9th rotational player on this team,that’s the reason why team mates don’t respect him.He has no voice on this team.Even if he wants to dictate team ball mentality.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Hornets wants to sign Lin just look at their web put out that almost half page Lin’s big picture w that interview said Hornets…. But the problem is Lin has not sign long team contract w Hornets yet… not sure he will or not. So they have to look out for the players w long team contract first. Bc Lin maybe will not stay in Hornets after this year. (Ya! Some players don’t want to play team ball…., just like in Rox, always one good game then changed back to ISO again….) Don’t know what will happen but … hate this happened again. smh!

  • Tommy

    To be fair
    Batum and Lamb can be effective if used correctly.

  • Tommy

    They want him to sign with them next year.

  • Maknusia

    You may be right…but respect is something that need to be earned and it comes from a person who takes charge and command…thats the expectation of a PG, anyways…immaterial of one’s playing time

  • cdblue10

    It goes to my initial post above.It’s really hard to earn respect if you only have 2mil tag on your back comes along w/ playing time.

  • Tommy

    If they really wanted to sign Lin back, they wuld cater to him more like they do with Batum

  • cdblue10

    If they want to,but hey Pelcans is dialing to get a new player that’s for sure.I’m salivating just to think Davis and Lin would be on the same team.

  • Spot

    Exactly.

    Charlotte will continue to have big problems against teams eho protects the rim well but can win against teams with soft frontcourt, like Chicago and Dallas.

  • Spot

    With Haiston SF…

  • CJSHYY

    They did it for Lin the whole preseason games.

  • Spot

    Up to the coach.

    What the coach wants, Jeremy does.

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    I think Jeremy is playing fine.

    We can’t blame him for not being aggressive or facilitating when I see the coach calling out the play from the sidelines on almost every possession. There was one play where the coach was yelling at Lin to pass the ball to the top of the key to batum and instead, Lin just drove to the basket and scored.

    Most of the turnovers occurred last night when the hornets were running these predictable plays where Point guard would either dribble handoff to the shooting guard on the corner or When the point guard would drive to the corner and pass to the 4 on top of the key. The defense knew what the hornets were going to do.

    The plays that are most successful are when they set multiple screens for Jeremy and let him attack the paint. I don’t know why they don’t run more of these. I don’t think it’s Jeremy’s fault bc if you watch the game, you see Clifford calling most of the plays.

  • TTNN

    I have more concern about the way Batum plays. Looks to me is that Clifford will go to AI at the beginning of the game, and then Kemba to attack. Batum don’t shoot much in first line up, and get all his shot when he was playing with the second team.

    Batum and Lin used to work very well, they play off each other, which makes it very hard to defend, but now Batum do not play that way, ball stop in his hand, that makes the second team much much weaker. When he play that way, hardd to ask other player not to play unselfish, Lin will get lost there.

  • Brent Yen

    Well…..lin is the 9MOY……so …lol

  • Tommy

    thats preseason now they are not when it matters

  • Tommy

    People will probably get frustrated with Davis
    He’s so good that he can do it all

  • TTNN

    this game only looks okay because Kemba was hitting a lot of shots, and they are not easy shots, you won’t have those every night.

  • Brent Yen

    I tried explain it to others but…..
    Anyway, that is how just shoot looks like

  • CJSHYY

    That’s I don’t get why? OK. Preseason don’t count but vs Bulls they played their best game so far this season. Why not keep playing like that?

  • NONONO

    Last season, Jeremy Lin joked about On Spurs Win : ‘Played Hard For A Team Full Of Toilet Paper’ with his 38 pts. I do not what to say about last night game. Very few passes because nobody set screens. Lin actually passed too much in case no screen set. Lin could have led last year tanking Lakers beat this Horents team AGAIN!

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Batum became more selfish now. It’s his contract year so he cares about stats too….

  • KHuang

    Kaminsky and Hansbrough can, but they don’t play.

    Besides, simply running a pick and roll would cause opponents to blitz Lin with multiple defenders over the pick.

    More important than the pick and roll is the Charlotte bench’s tendency to BREAK the offense by stagnating needlessly instead of moving off the ball as a team. Too many logjams from guys standing around.

  • KHuang

    Anthony Davis is the one guy you DON’T want on Lin’s team.

    He’s now Kobe Carmelo selfish, doesn’t defend, and doesn’t pass.

  • KHuang

    That’s why I specified Batum at SG.

    When Batum is at SF, he produces well.

  • occupatio

    i didnt go back and watch the tape, but did it seem like the spurs interior D was weak? i mean the bigs rotating to cover dribble penetration by kemba.
    overall, i was wondering about the impact of adding aldridge and david west, and losing splitter. i would venture to say that interior D by the spurs bigs dropped off by losing splitter.

    or it may be that the spurs did not try hard to rotate too much during kemba’s penetration, so that no one else would get open shots off kemba’s drives except kemba.

    lin too was getting deep into the paint, so it makes me wonder.

  • KHuang

    Opponents ENCOURAGE Walker to shoot.

    They know that more often than not, he will brick his team to losses.

  • KHuang

    Last year’s tanking Lakers had THE BEST bench in the entire NBA, led by Lin.

    That bench could beat anyone, and often they did.

    Unfortunately, the bench could not offset the poor player of the starters.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Why Cliff wanted to give instruction on every possession? It didn’t work.

  • spiderman

    It seems we have a coach who means well, but lacks the ability from being a good coach to a great coach

  • KHuang

    I gently disagree.

    Lin’s PRODUCING, he doesn’t need help from anyone to GET HIS.

  • cdblue10

    This is just the beginning of the regular season I won’t say their D is weak,knowing Pop… he will turn this on when it really matters,when you have Aldridge,Duncan and West as your rotational bigs,they’ll just going to get better from here as the season goes on.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I don’t think Cliff’s game plan it’s that good. Like last night, Spurs obviously well prepare for 2nd unit but Cliff had no answer for it.

  • KHuang

    It’s an issue of Lin’s bench teammates NOT PLAYING HARD ENOUGH.

    It’s not the coaching, it’s not Lin, it’s not even the starters.

    Hawes and Zeller are simply UNDERPERFORMING.

  • KHuang

    I don’t see it as a respect issue.

    I think that longtime veteran journeymen like Hawes are simply TOO LAZY to play super hard every game.

  • sws94

    Lin is underperforming but he needs help. Hawes isn’t cutting it. Zeller should run PnR with him.

  • KHuang

    Aldridge in particular has been struggling.

    If Charlotte’s big men had come to play, they would’ve easily messed up Aldridge.

  • CJSHYY

    But Cliff almost gave instruction on every possession ….?!

  • sws94

    Up to Lin. You’re passing the buck. He’s done that on 3 teams now with different coaches. Lin can take charge and show leadership on the court. The coach is not preventing him from doing so.

  • occupatio

    sure, i get your point but that’s not what i was asking.

    to make myself more clear, im thinking kemba and lin were getting into the paint, but the hornets had very very few total assists. why is that? normally, i expect penetration to result in some drive and kick opportunites but those were not there last night. why? it’s not that kemba refused to pass; those kickouts just weren’t there, i wonder why.

  • sws94

    Aldridge is a bad fit for SA. West is good but not Aldridge. I guess LA has to find a new way to play because he is something of a ball stopper.

  • sws94

    Well coached athletic defense and not as skilled an offense from Charlotte.

  • CJSHYY

    Before the game, Manu already said for respect Hornets they will have their best game. But I don’t think Cliff has any good idea to face Spurs but work hard. smh!

  • cdblue10

    They don’t have a structure on offense,with Kemba and Lin’s ability to penetrate the paint you would expect that a shooter would camp out at the corner.And yes,players here are always looking for their shots first before passing.They moved the ball a lot but they don’t really have purpose to who’s going to get the shot.

  • Tommy

    He took 10 shots and forced some too
    so he wasnt passive but problem is the bigs are too bad they can set proper screens and they wanna shoot 3’s rather than play like a big
    thats why you need to play someone like Psycho T

  • cdblue10

    You don’t see it that way but I do

  • Tommy

    because they cater to Batum and Lamb signed a new contract so hes first option of 2nd unit now

  • Tommy

    I didnt wanna say it because im still relatively a noob
    but ya thats the impression I get from AD now

  • occupatio

    there could be more screens for lin, but sometimes its easy to miss when they try to screen bc lin attacks before the screener is even set. some of lin’s best drives recently have come this way.

    this prevents lin from getting trapped, while it still allows the screener to pull the big away from the paint just enough to create an open lane.

    this is also lin adapting to having poor screen setters such as hawes.

  • Tommy

    Yah Lin is a better ball handler/scorer than him
    but he can do a little bit of every thing like parsons but slightly better and can defend
    hes still valuable to team when used properly
    lamb is a bit like nick young from last year but a little less selfish imo and a better shooter

  • Tommy

    He is producing and playing well 11-3 in 20 mins is top notch
    but my point is with his production he deserves more mins and touches, or plays called for him
    especially if they wanna sign him back
    thats why i dont think the hornetts really want to sign him back next year

  • Tommy

    he is not underperformaing if you look at the mins hes getting and his stats

  • sws94

    He is underperforming in his duties as a PG. The PG with 6 years experience, 27 years old, takes charge. He isn’t doing that. He isn’t playing up to his capabilities. Whatever minutes he is in, I want to see a Lin in charge like I’ve seen in the past. If I don’t, he’s underperforming. He isn’t horrible, but this is not the best Lin and I’m telling you, this won’t please MJ. MJ wants to see a player in charge.

  • KHuang

    It’s Clifford’s fault for playing two STIFFS who have not earned the right to step onto a NBA court!

  • Tommy

    He is not in charge because Clifford doesnt put him in charge simple as that
    besides hes more of a score first guard

  • KHuang

    Lin is NOT underperforming.

    He is a $2 million player who’s providing way too much value for what he’s paid.

    I keep saying that Lin fans are in error when they open up their McDonalds Happy Meal and complain that they “only” got prime rib instead of filet mignon!

  • KHuang

    Lin has the full green light to shoot or drive to pass.

    But the court is so congested with lazy nonperforming teammates, that’s like telling a motorist that he can speed all he wants when the freeway is congested at 0mph!

  • sws94

    It doesn’t work that way. A player gets on the court and says I’m in charge. Clifford isn’t preventing that and to say that takes the onus off of Lin and puts it on Coach. Coach is not telling Lin not to be the experienced PG out there and bark out orders. He can’t just let Batum or someone else be the main facilitator when he is better and more suited for it than they are. Batum can be co-facilitator, but Lin has to be more authoritative. That’s a QUALITY in a player that Kobe and others were right about. Lin doesn’t always act like he’s as good as he is. He needs to not worry about making friends and put some guys in their place out there.

  • KHuang

    No problem.

    If the Hornets don’t want Lin, Lin can exercise his player option and leave if any team will have him (which I doubt because Lin is Asian and nobody wants the Asian guy no matter how much the Asian guy produces).

  • sws94

    Meh, he settled for that and you as well as anyone else that is not his worth.

    He’s underperforming, he’s better than he has played in most of the games this season.

  • KHuang

    I was saying it 3 years ago when Davis was DRAFTED.

    I have never liked his game and consider him TOTALLY OVERRATED.

  • KHuang

    Anthony Davis is nowhere near as good as people say.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I agree with this..12ppg and 3 ast is good numbers based on the 22mpg Lin is getting.

    The even better news is that Lin is putting these numbers while he’s not shooting well…We all know he’s going to eventually shoot better than 38%FG, so his numbers will only get better, specially if he gets more time.

  • KHuang

    Keep complaining then.

    You are unhappy that Lin played as good as last year’s 6th man winner Lou Williams last game.

    I know you expect Lin to do more, but don’t get angry at HARDCORE VETERAN NBA fans like me who are viewing Lin not from a Lin only fan standpoint but in relation to all the other players that came before and after Lin.

  • bolero
  • KHuang

    I seem to be the only fan on this board PLEASED with Lin’s production last game.

    Had he hit his stinking free throws, Lin would have had 15 points last game!

    Aside from the poor concentration Lin did at the line, I was completely satisfied with his production last game.

  • occupatio

    lin found a way to impact the game despite his poor shooting. he drew 6 FTs and draw a ton of fouls before they got into bonus.

    statistically there is no difference between a brick and a shot that almost went in. but watching the game, the shooting looked worse than the numbers. that’s why the perception of the performance was low. he was bricking his misses, and even more cause for concern is that the form didn’t look the same as preseason. some of the misses were open shots, some were harder like pull up jumper after a pump fake. mills is a good defender, so that has to be taken into account too. it would be have been much easier against parker.

  • Acbc

    You and me both, lol. There’s a few of us left who appreciates Lin for what he brings to a crappy situation. Like Lester young, like Charlie Parker, like Van Gogh, Lin applies his craft with purpose and resolve. It’s up to us to appreciate what little exposure he gets.

  • PETE B

    Can I Ask why you’re satisfied ?

  • cdblue10

    I don’t think he played well this game,he was totally outplayed by Mills but he’s not the only reason they lose this game,it’s a lot more than that.

  • FSW

    No I think he did well in the context of a hornet team that was overmatched on the player and coaching side of things. Playing good teams can make anyone look bad.

  • KHuang

    How about I ask you why you are unhappy with Lin’s double figure scoring in less than 25 minutes?

  • KHuang

    When Zeller and Hawes REFUSE to play defense, Lin can’t guard their guys and cover his own man too.

  • FSW

    3 if you count pj

  • sws94

    I know Lin needs not to undervalue himself by being aware of the culture of the NBA that says stand up and impose your will on the game or not be considered the impact player you are. That’s the one thing Kobe tried to preach to Lin that he was 100 percent correct about. Lin has to do that. It isn’t about anyone besides Lin. Not Coach, Batum, Lamb, anyone but Lin. And MJ is like Kobe but a more extreme version.

  • cdblue10

    Not only that,they’re trying to do more outside their skill sets.

  • KHuang

    Nobody I’ve seen has had a more difficult NBA situation than Lin.

    You take any All Star and treat him the way Lin’s treated, that All Star will not produce as much as Lin does. That includes Lin’s boss Michael Jordan.

  • sws94

    His defense wasn’t good. Also, Lin plays Parker well and Coach has to consider having Lin come in earlier and play Parker, maybe alongside Kemba.

  • KHuang

    But that’s NOT LIN’S FAULT.

    Lin cannot singlehandly beat opponents when 3 of his bench guys did not come ready to play last game.

  • cdblue10

    JOrdan is a different specie,even when he was started and playing w/ scrubs he still puts up more than 60 points against Cahmpionship contender Boston.Not a good example to put on that situation.Marburry I guessed would be the best example.

  • FSW

    Give it a rest sws94. You are so stuck on your views but from your posts I surmise your exposure to playing organized ball even at high school level is limited or you would understand what some of the other posters are trying to tell you. Lin is doing his thing and playing his style of ball. It is a team game and if his teammates are not buying in he cannot change that without coaching support maybe. Nba is a star player league. Clifford may be gone soon anyway.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Jordan wouldn’t even produce as much as Lin if he bounced from team to team like Lin did and had no plays run for him and was frozen out and had to play around bad teammates.

    That Chicago team Jordan was on had solid NBA players like Orlando Woolridge, Charles Oakley, and others. Lin has never been allowed to play with a team that good for long.

    Besides, Jordan played in the 80s where defenses were MUCH SOFTER. Today, Jordan would not be able to handle the crushing zones without teammate help as well as Lin would.

  • PETE B

    Honestly it’s bc his role on the team is not growing . But 1 bad game and loss put it behind and move on. He wasn’t ready off the bench like he has in his career. Even the best players miss 10 plus shots sometimes

  • FSW

    Think hawes tries to set screen couple of times but is like a wet charmin. Parhetic. What is coaching for?

  • KHuang

    So you think Lin didn’t play good enough, huh?

    He puts out the same statistical output as the guy who won 6th man last year and you’re mad?

    Lou Williams was touted as the best 6th man last season, and he produced FOR THE SEASON the same results that Lin just did.

    Your standards are TOO HIGH if you call a performance good enough to win the best bench player in the league “bad”.

  • occupatio

    u are right about the defense. he sagged off mills from one pass away. i dont know what lin was thinking. he wasnt. maybe there was another instance or two of overhelping. its silly that lin spends so much effort on D in ineffectual ways. its wasted energy.

    but going back and forth between doubling aldridge and covering mills, i assume that was a coach’s decision. not much to say there, it’s impossible to sag off mills like that, because he can shoot the open shot, and if u try to close out on him hard, he can drive. u would have to be a really mobile and lengthy shotblocker — which lin obviously isnt — to even attempt to do that assignment effectively. like brent said, there was no way that possession would end well. at the very least, it was a bad gamble.

  • Tommy

    hes being exposed this year
    but i still have hopes for him

  • PETE B

    The minutes were garbage time Have Faith 5 hours ago
    Batum and Kemba are the distributors/playmakers when Lin’s on the floor with either or both of them. And one or both are, most times, on the floor with Lin.
    And shoot 3s? Sure, if Lin gets passed the ball.
    Guess how many passes Lin has received from Kemba since the season started . . . 2. Yep, 2 times.
    Guess how many passes Lin has received from Batum since the season started . . . 1. Yep, 1 time.
    Source: NBA.com.
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  • KHuang

    The thing is that Lin does not even look bad.

    Despite wave after wave of utterly worthless scrubs that have been forcefed to Lin to carry, Lin still GETS HIS.

    Truly great players like Lin will produce no matter how bad their situations are.

    Had Lin gotten 30 minutes, he’s EASILY have scored 20 points!

  • Tommy

    Im sure he will find a place, probably as a back up thou
    top 3 back up gaurds right now are ressions, lin and bayless imo

  • KHuang

    Lin’s teammates failing him is NOT ON LIN.

    And garbage time is still court time. There’s no special category for garbage time on stats and boxscores.

    Lin PRODUCED.

  • Tommy

    i saw on a couple of posessions clifford told Lin to give the ball to lamb/batum

  • sws94

    I’m not giving it a rest and I’ve been watching basketball for 5 decades. I saw Walt Frazier play with Willis Reed, I go back that far. I’m tired of fans here blaming everyone else and not seeing where Lin is continuing to show something that is holding him back.

  • Tommy

    on a couple of occasions where Lin had open looks but passed them away
    it happens a lot of PGs do this too

  • KHuang

    It’s LIN OBEYING THE COACH.

    Charlotte plays a modern helping defense, but Hawes and Zeller were too braindead and lazy to defend.

    Lin is supposed to help. That’s the GAMEPLAN. Disobey and Lin gets benched.

  • occupatio

    even if hawes could set an acceptable screen, he cannot roll effectively, and if he pops out for a jumpshot, it is not a real threat. if lin gets trapped and hawes has to be a release valve, he cannot swing the ball fast enough to other side or initiate offense from the top of the key.

    theres nothing a coach can do with hawes when u look at the entire package. making his screens better isnt going to change much.

  • KHuang

    If players like Hawes are incapable of running plays, then coaches like Clifford need to either light a fire under them or yank them out of the game.

  • Spot

    True words

  • FSW

    I agree. If you look at Lin chasing down mills on defense it is easy to think he got burned but in terms of help d he is making a calculated gamble, and his man was hot. Real tough to be Lin. People always ready to twist a positive into a negative.

  • Spot

    And sometime he does that too!

  • Tommy

    He did well in 21mins
    do you know how much he gets paid? 2mil and hes 27
    thats a salary for your 15th man that only plays garbage time and still cant produce
    so yah Lin did do well

  • KHuang

    If Hawes and Zeller actually played instead of loafing around out there, Lin would not have had to chase Mills like that.

    I called Zeller a “wildly overrated defender” this summer and had doubts about Hawes, but even I had no idea that they would be THIS bad.

  • Tommy

    thats why i dont think clifford is a capable coach
    he doesnt do that but only to lin it seems…

  • BobbyH

    that says it all, Too many chefs in 2nd unit and everyone is confused or ineffective.

  • FSW

    Good observation – then bench him and play someone else, psycho t sets hard screens and rebounds – play him then.

  • cdblue10

    LMAO.Players on these days were far more fundamentally sound than the players this days.If you put Jordan on his prime on this era,he will make 99% of the NBA players look like a scrub

  • webattorney

    One thing we can all agree on here is that Lin did better than $2 Mill contract. Moreover, he’s performing as a decent backup player who normally would get paid over $6 Mill. So, if you look at it this way, no problem.

  • FSW

    Play Tyler coach

  • sport

    Lin won’t get 30 minutes unless he’s a starter and that’s the most frustrating part. I will say it again, if Lin doesn’t get to start before season ends he shouldn’t resign after opting out of his contract.

  • webattorney

    I always said Mills should play more for Spurs.

  • webattorney

    All true. Hard to disagree.

  • FSW

    Khuang I bow to your analysis and player evaluations. Keep posting

  • Acbc

    Give them 10-15 games and see if Clifford reins them in. I’m not ready yet to give up on yet another year. What I hope is that coach is giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

    If they continue to play selfish and Clifford does nothing then either he can’t do anything about it because of FO demands or he’s got no backbone to change a losing way to play. Clifford will get fired along with CHO and Lin will become a FA next year.

  • webattorney

    NBA should have such award.

  • webattorney

    I am with you sws94. I don’t blame anyone else, but at the same time, Lin’s stats is fine for a bench player. I am more concerned that I don’t see any improvements in Lin’s game. Even with worse stats, if I saw certain improvements, I would be satisfied.

  • KHuang

    So why do you keep BASHING Lin’s game?

  • webattorney

    Shouldn’t lose your sleep over BB game or any player. I even enjoy when Lin is not playing well.

  • webattorney

    Just curious. How many of you played HS BB? Or college BB? Or played lots of BB recreationally? Or even any other sports in HS or beyond?

  • sws94

    You have to know the mentality of your boss. MJ is who he is. MJ made positive comments on Lin’s abilities. Just because a player has the skills doesn’t mean he has the mindset to impose them on a consistent basis. If MJ sees Lin lacking that mindset, he’ll treat him like Kobe this. That’s much more important to me than Lamb, Batum or even Coach. I wish we would stop setting up adversarial relationships with people in every one of Lin’s organizations when we don’t have to and look more at what some of Lin could do better that promotes himself and his bosses.

  • KHuang

    Why do you CARE?

  • BobbyH

    I am OK with Lin’s performance for the past 6 games. It is just he was not used properly and enough.

    He can do better in shooting and defense (like yesterday) but everyone on this team can do better, including the coaches. If everyone on the team continue to learn and adjust and everyone is on the same BIG page, they have a chance at playoff spot. But so far, I don’t see that happening. What a contrast between preseason and real season in terms of plays the coaches set out. It is not looking good. My opinion, if they continue to play like this, bypass Lin’s capabilities, they are likely to be a 0.500 team.

    My concern is that Lin’s role is diminishing. Not saying that it is happening, but all the indications in the past 6 games on/off courts are leaning towards that. I hope i am wrong and I hope Clifford is a man of his words. Otherwise, I don’t know which coach Lin will trust in the future.

  • cdblue10

    Because if you played organized basketball,you know what you’re talking about.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Even great 80s players like McHale and Scott are CLUELESS about Lin.

  • webattorney

    Why do you care what I post?

  • bolero

    Aside his shot is not falling , I think Lin plays ok. He overhelp sometimes because of the unreliable team mates..and the spurs got hot on the 3 pts. shot..

  • cdblue10

    They recognized that Lin is a good NBA player but they don’t believe that he can lead a team,and besides coaching is different from playing.

  • KHuang

    There’s nothing to worry about.

    If Lin’s role diminishes, it is NOT because he has not been producing in a statistically verifiable way.

    Nobody can predict how NBA front offices feel about Lin. So all Lin can do is go out and produce to the best of his capabilities.

    By the way, 0.500 would be a GREAT SEASON by Clifford standards!

  • sws94

    Yes. And others were designed for Lin. That play where Lin cut and Hawes got the ball for him for a +1 is an example where Coach told Batum not to get the ball and it was Lin’s play.

  • KHuang

    Because I CAN.

    And if you want to TROLL BAIT like you always do, I can call you out on it.

  • sws94

    I agree.

  • webattorney

    You are the biggest ELF & TROLL there is. Nothing I said suggests any trolling intent. It’s in your mind. Anyone can post anything as long as Mods allow it.

  • KHuang

    In short, they’re CLUELESS and their organized basketball experience at the highest level does not change that.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED.

    I called you out correctly, and you responded like the BITTER HATE TROLL you are.

    YOU SHOULD BE BANNED.

  • webattorney

    You should be banned for trolling people. Way too sensitive.

  • Acbc

    Unfortunately most people play the game like its dependent only on their number 1, 2, or third option. Like Lebron as a right fist and love as the left hook. That’s proven to be an old dinosaur’s game by Spurs and GSW. Many would argue that Lebron is the most powerful right fist in the game and no one would dare to match it one on one. However, if you put that 1-3 weapons to a modern cage fighter, the dynamics becomes very different. Now, the arms, elbows, knees and feet become multiple arsenals that can easily overcome just the one.

    What is happening is that Clifford is trying to get all his extremities to fight together and in sequence, like a kata. But what’s happening is that the players want to only set up the old one two. Talent for talent, Spurs are much better and they play the modern game to boot.

    Batum, Walker and big Al want to be the one two punch, but Clifford wants to change them into an ultimate fighter. The challenge is laid out in front of them. Who will have the brains and internal resolve to place the team first? We’ll know in another 10 games. Clifford’s head is on the line. The on,y one that can make the pieces work together like a well oiled kata is Lin. He’s done it once with NYC. It’s just a matter if they want it bad enough.

  • sws94

    Scott and McHale are pretty clueless. I think Clifford is a much better coach, a real coach.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED AGAIN.

    You Lin hating trolls are trying to WRECK THIS FORUM.

    I know you sociopaths all too well, webattorney.

    We are enemies and will forever be enemies because you HATE LIN AND LIN FANS.

  • sws94

    That’s exactly how he played. ok. Time for Lin to play very well or excellent in whatever minutes he gets on both ends of the floor.

  • cdblue10

    No structure… bad idea for a team that’s want to reach the playoff

  • bolero
  • Acbc

    I was a starter pg in highschool….until the drugs and knifes came out during my senior season. A coaching change made me a ball boy so I played tennis because I needed on one else.

  • Guest

    Then you got flagged too. You shouldn’t have done that in the first place as well. wanna fight, go to other site and fight all you guys want. The mods there will let you guys fight freely.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • CJSHYY

    Oh! No! What he tried to say …? Looks like not good again?

  • kjch

    Uhh #surrender? Sounds ominous

  • BobbyH

    Anyone? Interpretation?

  • DaBoss

    Not sure if this is in reference to the fact Clifford put Jeremy out there with the third stringers at the end of the game. That really bothered me. And the fact that Lamb was used in place of Jeremy during 4th. Concerned that this reflects change in FO and coach’s mindset and plans for how Jeremy is going to be played in the future. Hope it’s not true and hope I’m dead wrong. Prayers up for Jlin!!

  • CJSHYY

    All these can change within one day like Cliff said…. the key point is to solve the problem on team ball vs ISO. This coach wants to make it clear before next game.

  • jakey

    Hello?

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t be… I think if this team ball or whatever the problem between Lin & coach… now maybe all solved.

  • BobbyH

    Solved or explained by coach’s true intention of how he will use Lin in the coming games?

  • kjch

    I still don’t get why he added #surrender at the end of the tweet…

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I think so… they want to win they need Lin but they maybe will not play team ball as Lin’s wish… so right now perhaps coach finally made Lin agree to give up that team ball theory? I don’t think it’s bad from this bible tweet.

  • CJSHYY

    I think it’s Lin’s team ball idea.

  • Al

    Might be response to the trade rumors

  • DaBoss

    Yes you could be right. I might be reading too much into the tweet. It’s just that Lamb signed a big extension which means team might decide to use him even more. He’s definitely not a playmaker and not as skilled offensively as Jeremy, weak defender on top of that!

  • DaBoss

    No.

  • kjch

    Ok so .. Implication is less passing to hawes and more shooting from jlin? I’m all for it lol

  • CJSHYY

    But if you look at 1st half, besides Kemba, Lin was the one who took the shots… not Lamb. Lin was on 8 min but he took 7 shots. They want him to be happy even it’s not team ball…

  • blubell
  • DaBoss

    Thank you – that DOES make sense.

  • noob

    Agreed. I popped in during the game last night to check the game thread and it was almost unreadable. So much unwarranted hate and blame being hurled at the Lin’s coach and teammates. Yesterday, Lin only had himself to blame for what could have been a better performance.

  • sport

    Lin’s team ball theory is too ideal, all teammates are selfish and it’s up to him to shoot more and not pass whenever his teammates ask for the ball.

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly. NBA is full of money, power, & fame. Why these players are willing to give that up for the team ball? This is not college. Lin has been preached that since Rox… sacrifice your own stats won’t work. Turn out he’s the one pack & left… I hope this can end ASAP.

  • kjch

    That’s why Spurs is the ideal team

  • guest

    Does this mean he will be traded? Could it be the reason why his usage is reduced?

  • kauaiblue

    Uh oh…

  • kauaiblue

    Jeremy, sometimes u just need it to hang loose and go and do what u were born to do… go and get what youre here to do and forget everyone else… ie, go kick some azz!

  • Spot

    As I suspected, things not going good

  • Spot

    Surrender to God.

    Do what You want me to do.

  • PETE B

    it’s sunday Lins at church on a day off probably , getting away from NBA politics

  • blubell
  • spiderman

    It means surrender to God…

  • spiderman

    Clifford has low standards lol

  • TTNN

    Lin had a pretty sad defensive game yesterday. 🙁 Looks like he contested every shot, and yet, every shot he contested went in.

    So I spend a bit time to actually plot yesterday’s all the shots Hornets defended, and indeed, Lin was able to challenge most of the shot in either tight or borderline tight and open range, and unfortuantely, 6 of 8 shots he challenged went in. Really bad luck.

    I’m surprised to see Batum pretty much just left his guy wide open for 3pt, (> 6 ft defender distance is consider wide open, 4-6 ft consider open, 2-4 ft were tight, and <2 ft as very tight.) And Hawes just don't contest much shots close.

  • spiderman

    IF ONLY, Lin, Kaminsky and Hansbrough started

  • spiderman

    I truly hope it’s just enough rope for them to hang themselves, than Clifford actually believing his mis-use of personnel is working, in which case he’s either slow or just another knucklehead

  • DaBoss

    Yes – I can see that. Maybe he was moved and just wanted to share an inspirational verse with us.

  • gasparthe2nd

    absolutely.

  • spiderman

    Lin’s doing everything he can within the situation he’s in and he’s PRODUCING defensively and offensively.

    This Lin needs to play PERFECT idea is getting old. I have yet to see a so called NBA Superstar or all-star or max player held to the same standard

  • GoodDayLA

    Your stats are correct, but I cannot agree with you regarding why he was scored on from the 3 point area.

    In the second half, he helped too far away and he is too short, not long enough, can’t jump high enough to affect the shot of good 3 point shooters.

    It is the same mistake since HOUSTON. He never fixes it. It is not “bad luck” Its bad defense strategy by Clifford unless Lin has just fallen asleep.

    Now Khuang has noted Lin and guards are probably asked to do a soft double or jump down to help. I see many weak pathetic NBA teams do the same thing and their players look at each other in confusion,

    I expected Lin to be smarter than this or pull up the tape and show Clifford and Silas why his over helping does NOTHING and convince the coach to let him stick to his sharpshooter opponent like GLUE.

    I suspect the coaches tell him he doesn’t know what he’s saying or doing and shut up and follow orders. if so, dumb coaches.

    It’s been 3 seasons of this. When will it end for Lin?

  • Tommy

    there should be more of those

  • Tommy

    yah i dont expect anything more
    a decent back up who can also start

  • GoodDayLA

    crazy but is the worst yet to come? When he posts bible versus, it usually does mean something is not going his way. Yikes.

  • Tommy

    not when coach tells him to
    and yah team ball theory is too ideal
    this is the NBA its all business you gotta look out for your own, which I think Lin did last game(10shots in 22mins)

  • zxcvb

    Honestly, who cares?

    Lin is infinitely better on defense than any of these one-way “star” PGs in the league who don’t even attempt to defend. He had one bad quarter where he gambled on overhelping. Whatever.

    Besides, we all know Lin will be judged on his offense anyway. So who cares?

  • Spot

    Bad coach.

    As they were McHale and Scott.

    Nothing new.

  • zxcvb

    Even now, Lin & Kemba are tied for the team lead on Points-Per-Shot (1.32).

    Lin just needs fair minutes and the same attitude he had last night — the %s will even themselves out. Heck, Harden shoots 20-30 times per game and he was the NBA’s worst shooter until the past 2 games.

  • MoominFloren

    Can someone explain what it means? It worries me whenever Lin tweeted a verse 🙁

  • zxcvb

    He did all he could last night. He was more aggressive than ever and if he simply got 25-30m as promised he would have ended up with 15-20p. That’s all he can do. The rest is up to racial reffing and bad coaching/lineups.

  • zxcvb

    Bad timing, ha. Probably scheduled the interview weeks ago.

  • webattorney

    Must have went to a dangerous school. Lol

  • webattorney

    My impression of Kemba got better after I started watching him. He’s a nice guy and a decent PG. If he could only improve his shooting percentage . . .

  • Spot

    Means Lamb will close games, not him anymore.

  • webattorney

    Well, you know Mills is a good shooter, so had to defend him accordingly. Giving him a wide open 3 pointers was not a good D. Make him drive instead.

  • webattorney

    Whenever he tweets Bible verse, that means he is not happy with his BB game.

  • webattorney

    Yeap.

  • webattorney

    As best as I can tell from my Bible knowledge, it means or implies the following: “God created us to do good works in whatever way we can, and he has a plan for all of us, even when things are not looking up.”

  • zxcvb

    He could…next to Lin. That’s what so frustrating with Clifford’s lineup. Starting Lin helps everyone — Kemba shoots higher %s, Lin shoots higher %s, Big Al and Nic shoot higher %s. The only “loser” would be Al’s overall PPG. That would go down.

  • MoominFloren

    Thanks
    Sigh…..

  • MoominFloren

    Thanks
    I know it will come one day when Lamb played with starters in Q4…..

  • webattorney

    Looked at positively, it means “There must be a reason why God brought me to Hornets, so I have to trust in his ways and keep working hard, whatever role I am given.”

  • webattorney

    Yeah, the only change I can recommend to Clifford is to start Lin as a SG next to Kemba, and see what happens. It’s not as if Lin is leading 2nd team to greatness or anything.

  • webattorney

    When did I do that? I don’t taunt anyone. If I did, I would not be able to post here due to many Mods reviewing posts. I am like Tommy poster up there. Just because I am not happy that he’s not playing like a starter, that does not mean I disagree that he is not playing above the $2 Mill level. I went from thinking Lin as “a decent backup who can also start” to “a decent backup who maybe should not expect to start.”

  • grover chang

    Could not tell if this means things are going badly or not. What I do hope is that surrender means he stops worrying. Lin thinks a lot and that also means he worries a lot. A walk of faith should be free of worry. Surrender, don’t worry, and play more freely.

  • Yascar

    Still this was before SAS, so this was AFTER the teeth gnashing started at this site. Jeremy is typically – almost painfully- honest in his interviews. If he said this just before last night’s game, it may not actually be as bad as we think.
    Not ideal either, but nothing will ever be ideal for J. He just has to figure it out.

  • Yascar

    Yes, surrender means stops worrying but it may not mean play free. Depends on how he interprets “good works” in the basketball context, if he means that at all. Team ball? Listen to coach? Let others shine before you? Hard to say. Only Jeremy really knows.

    But at least he seems to be striving to find peace and if he does find it, either way, I think that will help his game.

  • Acbc

    Not really, the real problem was they were too smart to get caught and smart enough to make it into a business. Some of the smart ones got into semi legit money laundering, other wound up career criminals. Mostly it was just lower middle class kids trying to get ahead. Inter school games however against tough schools became just like a war with gangs too close to the bus. Just wasn’t worth it.

  • Acbc

    Agreed, all good Christians fight this personal battle of wants and desires versus Gods will. It’s not necessarily about bball even but about anger with Harris and frustration with his personal struggles with his shot.

    It may in fact be a good thing for him to release these frustrations and internal pressures by anchoring himself to his faith. Athletes that tend to want something too much get in their own way of the results. Surrender in fact may be to remind himself to let go and have faith in his own process and let it come to him

  • grover chang

    Glad to hear you say the responsibility falls on Lin. Too many people here try to find excuses for him. He was given the ball. He was given the time on the court. No one is forcing him to hold back. I agree Lin could play better. I also believe Lin is tough enough but he is being too nice. Took me awhile in my career to realize it as well, but sometimes when you are being nice you are hurting your coworkers. Nice is not always appropriate.

    Nice sometimes means your are not communicating. If Lin really cares about his team, then he needs to communicate. As the best pg on the team, that means take charge and tell his teammates when they are not doing the right thing. Sure people get upset and you are the “bad guy,” but allowing your team to underperform is not being a good teammate either.

    MJ as well as Steve Jobs and other successful men are known as real a holes. But if Steve jobs wasn’t that way I wouldn’t have my iPhone. So much greatness could be lost in the name of niceness.

  • grover chang

    Team needs an alpha dog to feel confident and have a focus. Whose team is this? After China, Lin was a leader because they were in China. Team was able to rally behind that. When Lin shrinks in the regular season he did a disservice to his teammates. The safe feeling of having an alpha dog dropped under their feet and the confidence leaves the team. Linsanity did not just boost us up, it boosted the confidence of his knick teammates.

  • CJSHYY
  • grover chang

    Hawes never completes the job. He sets the screen, but doesn’t hold position. He drives but doesn’t take it strong when going up. He passes but throws it lightly at the very end. He seems to only follow through with 75% of the task. He probably that guy that doesn’t finish his meals. Makes his bed but not smoothly. If he was a webpage would download but miss some of the pictures or videos. So annoying. Just follow through and finish the job.

  • Maknusia

    aiks!….run

  • Maknusia

    Khuang…been a respectable poster here similar to you…we havent seem him do any baiting..like @brent

    Baiting or not, its still a valid/genuine question…if he deviates, there is enough mods here to take action. cheers

  • Phillycheese

    I remember one time Lin got switched onto Diaw and the announcer was saying why did the Spurs not throw the ball to Diaw as he had the mismatch.

  • Phillycheese

    The game plan was definitely a soft help defense. You see Lamb doing the same dance as Lin. One foot in and one foot out of the paint when the post player has the ball. So it looks like it was the team’s plan to defend this way. SA just hit all their shots. It’s like the Chicago game.

  • Phillycheese

    Lin’s 38 pt game against SA was as a Rocket. Last year his highest scoring game was 29.

  • FSW

    Hope you are right about cliff recognizing the team dynamics and he will correct, but I think Lin may have fooled himself that he had finally found a coach to allow him to play and shine. So far I see less minutes and diminshed role on the team, no real game planning and unsubstantiated promotion or suppression of players that leads me to think he is not a good nba head coach. We will wait to see because we have no choice.

  • Phillycheese

    I’m with you here sws. Lin is not playing up to his abilities at the moment. He can do better. He can be more stubborn, but he is deferring a bit too much. Like Paul sais, a PG is probably the most hated person on the team because he gets to distribute the ball. Lin needs to demand the ball more to make the impact. Standing and waiting is not going to work since all teammates think they’re the man.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    moving target? v.likely Metta is on his way out of Lakers

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Good news for all Lakers fans!

    Bryant called himself a “Laker for life” on Friday, again denying that he would look to play elsewhere if this season isn’t his last.

    1dir which other franchise would want to sign this guy?

  • David Kim

    I just hope Clifford gives Lin enough minutes around 30-34mins whether it starting or coming off the bench for 10 games. If that doesn’t work, I will not complain about minutes Lin gets.

  • CJSHYY

    Metta is for entertainment purpose so he will be w Kobe for his last season I think.

  • CJSHYY

    I think if Lin plays like what he did in preseason he will get more min. Cliff wants to win so he can keep his job. Hornets so far it’s not good ranking #13 in the eastern conference now.

  • Maknusia

    lol

  • Maknusia

    Yeah…he was out of NBA, knowing they gonna tank again, Kobe likely to have thought to bring back an old friend to have “fun” together

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! That’s why Lakers signed Metta not Brown. For “fun” bc what else can Lakers offers now? LOL!

  • Phillycheese

    The ball got sticky this game and a lot of quick shots and too many missed assignments on defense. Coach needs to remind Batum that he is secondary ball handler on both units. Lam’s shooting was crap and he still heaved away. Coach needed to take him out, remind him on shot selevtion and then put him back in. As for Hawes, he should not be setting any picks. Lin needed to get the offense organised and if not he needed to call guys out. Did anyone tell the coach that the soft help defense was not working since SA moved the balls very quickly?

  • John Focker

    Been busy the last couple of days, not sure whether this is been talked about.

    Rumor:

    Hornets (Lamb 3-yr contract, still has Roberts) considering trading Lin to Bulls (Rose injury, alleged Rose/Butler grudge, Hinrich old) for Hinrich and a pick.

  • CJSHYY

    Hornets back to ISO O again & Cliff wants to get the win so anyone who can make pts will get the playing time. I don’t think Cliff had any answer for Spurs last night. In 3Q, just saw Spurs made 18 pts w/o did anything can tell… smh!

  • CJSHYY

    I think that’s what Bulls wants not Hornets.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    ya, read the article. guess its for click-bait. claims not substantiated.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    simply put – Hornets stung by Spurs – real bad. Totally outplayed – whether its starters, bench and backup bench.
    blame it on back-2-back and weak coaching staff. Players playing for themselves.

  • It was started by a comment from an ESPN reporter (Windhorst?) about Bulls/Rose disagreement. Some said he usually has good credibility so he might have heard inside sources from the Bulls.

    But I’m not aware of them making any trade request on JLin aside from trade speculation from Christian Post & Yibada which usually recycle news.

  • Phillycheese

    Time for some levity – http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/11/8/9693756/kobe-bryant-airballed-a-layup-los-angeles-lakers-knicks
    Kobe brick a layup by throwing an airball.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    lately Mr. Kobe has been tossing air-balls. blame it on his old injuries.

  • GoodDayLA

    he should have never left Mills or Manu to begin with. I guess it’s a bad habit Lin picked up through the years. Lin is a nice guy who is not a jerk. That is why he plays defense hard but not like a mean person who does little dirty things. He also doesn’t have a jerk mentality to try to limit his own opponent to no points trying to play team defense all the time.

  • MorlockO

    I disagree, Lin does not need to do anything… Cliff just needs to apply what he has been saying all preseason long… play alot of Kemba + Lin.. let Lin finish games… Let Lin play through his mistakes… Lin has been playing efficiently compared to everyone in the hornets…

    We have all seen Kemba + Lin has chemistry, but Cliff moved away from that since the start of the season for unknown reasons.

    so Far Lin can’t even break 20mins…

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Laughter is the best medicine.

    Bryant hasn’t said if his 20th season will be his last. He told reporters Saturday that “if you asked me today, this would be my last year,” but that he was leaving it open. His comments Sunday echoed that.

    “My message has been consistent all the time. If I change my mind, I’ll come back and play. If I don’t, I won’t,” Bryant said. “I’ve been pretty consistent with that, so I don’t know how much, what else can I say?”

    Professional answer: Consistently inconsistent..

  • Singapore BB Fan

    A deal is a deal. If Cliff has ‘sweet talk’ JLin to come to Charlotte and be a backup PG for a below .5 team based on ‘gentlemen agreement’ then he has to honour his words. whatever the deal is.

  • I’m definitely not okay with how JLin is being used in the 2nd unit.

    I think JLin is trying to build the team chemistry but he might be over-facilitating since his teammates don’t reciprocate the nice gesture by playing unselfishly. It looks pretty bad if he tried to facilitate but then having trouble scoring himself. Some struggle happened because these new guys still try to play together but not good enough against great teams like Spurs and the Hawks

    I think JLin has a little shooting slump but he is still the most lethal scorer in the 2nd unit so he needs to establish the pecking order by scoring first then directing his teammates to follow him.

    I don’t know if Coach Clifford asked him to let Lamb be playmaker or there’s freedom to run plays but we can see who can score the best will earn more PT.

    Lately Lamb had that opportunity so IMO JLin needs to go back to his Linsanity formula by being a scoring threat first, pass second to get him going and make his teammates follow his command. Otherwise, politics and coaching can further minimize his PT.

    IMO JLin is trying to figure out how to play his game in this Hornets team. Let’s hope he resolves it sooner than later.

  • GoodDayLA

    He’ll go play for another team next year. He’s not done. But he should be. Not sure what stupid team willl sign him though but someone will.

  • GoodDayLA

    Who is Harris?

  • Maknusia

    But we dont know the details of the deal….we can only speculate

  • TTNN

    Lin can not be traded till Dec 15th.

    And, Bull is a winning team, thus it is not bad to be traded there though. In the summer, a lot of NBA blogger were complaining that Bulls not signing Lin. He will have Noah to work with….

  • CJSHYY

    I think Bulls system is a good fit for Lin. If no Rose will be even better… LOL!

  • Rick Johnson

    SB Nation NBA‏@SBNationNBA

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse, Kobe Bryant airballed a layup.

    https://twitter.com/SBNationNBA/status/663502911452876800

  • Maknusia

    lol…as mentioned by JF…rumor…there is nothing solid yet 🙂

  • I think our memory can be too short.

    BScott benching JLin in the BOS game when he was hot in the 3rd quarter & McHale talked about JLin’s meteoric rise is much damaging to JLin’s development as a player.

    Clifford still allowed JLin to come back in Game 2 to score 8 out of his 12 pts in the 4th quarter despite early game struggle. That’s a positive.
    But since Lamb got the extension, more PT has gone his ways in Game 4-5.
    Now he cooled off in Game 6 & JLin showed he can score by penetration & FTs.

    It’s the right step for JLin to be back attacking & aggressive.

  • John Focker

    Rose is done and Bulls know that better than anyone. He’s not coming back to Chicago.

  • CJSHYY

    If so that new coach w lots of PnR will be really a good fit w Lin. Make the trade…haha!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The Hornets has no right to trade Lin’s contract. If they do, the have broken all promises and betrayed the reputation of the organization.

  • CJSHYY

    Kobe should retire now.

  • GoodDayLA

    Coach Clifford has not figured out how to sub and rotate his crew. The fact his lineups are so confused shows he is not getting the big picture.

    Clifford is probably overly detailed and harps on certain small things that are probably meaningless when you take 2 steps back. But I think he is missing the big picture.

    He is not operating like he said. Use 9 guys, give everyone a clear role. He is playing 10-11 and using them differently and in different subbing patterns.

    It is a travesty and a sign of a bad head coach.

    This comment has NOTHING to do with Lin or how Clifford uses Lin.

  • GoodDayLA

    the lakers don’t care. Kobe shooting airballs still sells tickets and makes Lakers money.

  • MorlockO

    you are in a lin Fan site… there is no need for the last Line here… everything is about Lin…

  • CJSHYY

    I think this was supposed to be a trade off deal but not anymore… I don’t see Hornets is going to play Lin’s game for whatever the reasons…. Just hope Lin can have good season w or w/o team ball. I am sure there are lots of teams will be interested in him next summer.

  • TTNN

    yeah, I have been warned in the summer that coach Clifford say one thing, and do another. Hornets fans say that he has been talking about use 9 guys, but never did that last season, so, yeah, could not always take his word.

  • Maknusia

    “I feel like I have figured who I’m going to be as a player,” Lin told CBS Sports after Charlotte’s shootaround in San Antonio on Saturday morning. “[The game] has definitely slowed down for me and I feel like I know what my brand of basketball is. But the one thing that I feel veterans have had that I don’t, is some sort of consistency. That’s what I would like to have at some point. Consistency in terms of location and team.”
    ….
    “We understand that it’s a long year and you gotta have fun,” Lin said. “We want to develop something where we are really close with each other on the court and off the court. That’s why we spend a lot of time together and why you see us having a lot of fun and joking around. We really want this to be a great experience.”

    It has only been six games but this type of experience and the culture in Charlotte is what Lin has been searching for throughout his rollercoaster NBA journey. With a consistent role and a good team atmosphere, Lin seems at home in Charlotte.

    “[Charlotte] wants me to go play my game,” Lin said. “That’s liberating in a lot of ways.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25367168/jeremy-lin-enjoying-much-needed-consistency-in-his-new-home-with-hornets

  • Maknusia

    hmmm….it seems to be conflicting from what we had been saying here?

  • I’d give more time to Hornets to use Lin properly

    If JLin is traded too soon, there’s risk to be labeled a journeyman & get backup PG label.

    IMO it’s better to get 6th Man of the Year award & have a chance to be a starter in another team ala Harden. I’m going to wait how the team looks after Game 20-25 because we can tell what Lin’s role should be by then.

  • CJSHYY

    This is PR article to me. More like Hornets wants to tell other teams Lin wants to stay ….

  • Dan Cohen

    because we want linsanity of 30 and 15! and 45 minutes and him taking care and him being the man and franchise player and want all players to treat lin like god. Want the original linsanity and better and that is why anything less will go crazy and have suspicions.

  • Dan Cohen

    omg

  • Dan Cohen

    more like a remote control that moves kobes arm.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Hornets wants to trade Lin. In fact, they tried hard to hope he can stay next summer. Even he & coach have different opinion on team ball vs ISO now…

  • MorlockO

    I think this interview was taken after the Chicago bulls game…

    Because they are in a road trip right now… Road trips usually, you wont have opportunities to do interview…

  • Maknusia

    but, those were Lin’s words

  • CT

    As I know, this is an interview before Spurs game. On that morning after shoot around.

  • CJSHYY

    Bc that’s what they told him…. but in fact it’s not…. this interview was before Spurs game. I read one article from Taiwan, Lin said something like no need to adjust game plan for teams bc Spurs never did that… (also before Spurs game to Hornets newspaper….) sounds like he was not very happy about Cliff’s game plan…

  • Maknusia

    before or after…the fact still remains, right

  • GoodDayLA

    he’s not playing his game and when he tries, the pick and role action is poor.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    There is no WE in what’s you’re saying.

  • Rick Johnson

    Most profitable club in the NBA. Why change? I guess for Dr. Bus it wasn’t just profits. It was pride in the team and winning. With the kids it seems like just profit. No team with any pride and desire to win would keep Byron Scott.

  • CJSHYY

    You can’t trust coach & GM from NBA. Everything can change daily.

  • GoodDayLA

    Yea Clifford seems very poor at deciding who plays how, when, where, why and how much and with whom. Phil Jackson said that is really the only real job a head coach has but the most important.

    Phil said even the X and O don’t matter so much but figuring out who to play and how and with whom and how to sub when and where and with whom with bench etc. If coach can get that right, worth weight in gold.

    Clifford did poor job subbing in bench guys and playing right groups. Game was lost when Lin and Zeller subbed in for whatever reason 3rd Quarter. Lead got out of control from tie game.

  • GoodDayLA

    exactly

  • GoodDayLA

    he’s not playing his game though haha.

  • John Focker

    Sure, play Kobe ’till he’s 85. And keep BS as head coach until then. I’d actually like to see this.

  • Rick Johnson

    ESPN really targeting Kobe. Same play but listen to the music they play to it. Makes him out to be a clown:

    https://twitter.com/espn/status/663556627988004864

  • CJSHYY

    ESPN is really mean to Kobe… Well, they hate each other. LOL!

  • Maknusia

    lol…some.. then

  • John Focker

    And Kobe is beyond mean to his “teammates” (bus underside fillers). He deserves everything ESPN throws at him, and then some. (ex: 10x SAS)

  • CJSHYY

    That’s true. So whatever he did to his teammates now everything comes back to himself. LOL!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even just one or a few, I would still have more respect for them. They’re at least being consistent with how they support and believing in Jlin. They do see what’s wrong when history is repeating.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    yeap, the music reminds me of one from the silent movie.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    ok…may make it to Shaqin-A-Fool!!

  • Joe what do you know

    Mate, you can’t “brick” by throwing air balls!! 0 can never be 1!

  • grover chang

    Everything you wrote is unreasonable. But I feel everything you wrote as well. And I suspect many other fans do too. I know we are crazy but we are.

  • WillChang

    Sounds like there will be no Linsanity anytime soon. Sounds like Lin has resigned to bring a role player instead of a star.

    Whatever Lin wants I will support. I hope he will still be an allstar at some point.

  • Andrew Ho

    agree…even though yes sometimes other people are making it hard, gotta stop looking at them to put the blame on…Lin needs to be smart and “get his”

    Rocky Balboa says it best:

  • grover chang

    Make the trade. I’m already tired hearing all the complaints about Lins hornet teammates. Need some fresh new teammates to complain about.

  • webattorney

    In Charlotte, I think they really do want him to play his game, but out of all the teams he has played on, Hornets is the worst team for PnRs. That’s the essence of it. With info like the above, it’s hard to argue that Hornets is not allowing Lin to play his game, even if no bigs can play PnRs.

  • PETE B

    Hornets have a Bipolar offense ,
    Kemba and Al have the Inside Out Post up Offense
    Nic an Lin have Western Conf Ball movement Screen Offense
    Each game is split personality Disorder

  • webattorney

    Agreed. Clifford should have just two sets of core players and switch them, so players can play with the same set of players and develop some chemistry.

  • GoodDayLA

    yeah Hawes should just camp in corner like Novak. not mobile or athletic enough. Fumbles too much.

    Zeller is ok but not great. More a hustle guy with decent motor.

  • Maknusia

    lol….hahaha……we just need to give some time

  • adele

    But check how many attempts Kemba is making. If Lin will make the sam number of attempts, im sure his numbers will be better than Kemba.

  • GoodDayLA

    good observation. this is why the starters were good together but once subs came in game was disaster. There is no set rotation and style. Team has no identity or purpose game to game.

    They need to fix that quick.

  • GoodDayLA

    Melo fouled the h*** out of Kobe. SO can’t complain when Devin Harris does it to Lin with no call either. Well I think NBA though trying to kick Kobe out. He use to get all those calls. SO maybe Lin getting ejected in some way too.

  • adele

    He’s been deceived with nice talks again.

  • occupatio

    i read about it on a RealGM forum for bulls. there is no basis for the story, with no reliable source. and none of it makes sense. the mods there shut down the thread because it is not ‘news’ or even a remotely plausible rumor.

  • Rick Johnson

    Librafree
    ‏@Librafree
    @JLin7 with a 5-year-old fan after practice #CHAatSAS ? Magic Basketball Club
    https://twitter.com/Librafree/status/663572206341898240

  • webattorney

    I don’t think Hornets’ tactic of having the bigs shoot many 3s will get them into playoff.

  • webattorney

    Yeap, Kemba at least knows how to play with Al and others.

  • GoodDayLA

    they wasted or avoided the conflict in preseason and now paying for it. Clifford is bad coach to avoid the conflict and hurting people’s feelings, even Lin.

    Seems he the type of manager who lets it play out on its own not being upfront with employee and everyone ends up unhappy and not motivated to work hard over time.

  • dolphin2k2

    Welp, trade rumor confirmed…. #surrender

  • PETE B

    Kemba had a great shooting night , Lamb had a great night before that , but they can’t be the offense , just too unreliable in the NBA , Carmelo cant have 4 great shooting nights to win a playoff series

  • webattorney

    Although I am not impressed with his coaching, when I think about it, he doesn’t have all that much talent to work with, it seems. I mean, Hornets doesn’t have one player who made it to All-Stars or even in 3rd Team in NBA, correct? It’s like they have a Lite version of everything. Maybe too many players to mesh together and come up with something.

  • Yascar

    Lin has never particularly bought in to PR speak though. Even at the Lakers he was quite honest.

    He may actually believe what he’s saying and not as worried about it as we are.

  • PETE B

    lack of leadership , Lin does not want to step up and lead the team , I always believed Lin would be the Captain of this team and make the teammates better . Does Clifford have to authorize Lin ? why can’t Lin lead ? He is a veteran PG

  • I am The Jason

    Off Topic, Reggie Jackson just drop 40pts on Portland, with 26 of them in the 4th quarter. Him and Andre Drummond are monsters in Detroit. Lin need a good pnr player with him in Charlotte.

  • webattorney

    Slightly off-topic: I also saw GSW game vs. Kings. Curry missed something like 7 3s in a row, but what he managed to do is score 2 pointers and drives to the rim. Therefore, even though he made only 2 out of eleven 3 pointer attempts, he ended up with decent shooting percentage and got 25 points. Seems like this type of game will be Curry’s worst stats during this season.

    GSW has ZERO “bad” player in any position, even for bench players and 3rd stringers. Livingston fits really well for them because he can pass and shoot over his defenders. Offers a very effective variety to Curry.

  • webattorney

    No matter what anyone says, Reggie Jackson can get off his shots, which means when his shots are falling, he can score a bunch. But he is not a good shooter either. Having Drummond is definitely a plus for him.

  • WillChang

    Already?

  • kittyhead

    I dont think Lin meant that. His words were to praise how good Spurs are.

  • kittyhead

    Not sure about this…some ppl say Bulls system isnt pg friendly anymore?

  • CJSHYY

    I wish Lin can have Curry’s freedom & playing time on court. The more you shoot the more your percentage will look good.

  • Rick Johnson

    NBA Central‏@TheNBACentral

    Iman Shumpert…………..

    https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/661014355593433089

  • LW

    Don’t know how Lin is going to play his game without touching the ball.

  • If you haven’t heard it, here is the JLin rap that he included in the Quarterly package to appreciate the subscribers support

    Interesting line about what he aspires to do for this season in comparison with the past few years.
    Hope he passes the growing pains & gets there sooner than later

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    that was history. Now the honeymoon is over.

  • wow .. I’m Shump-less

  • Based on recent trend, I truly believe JLin has to be a Linsanity scoring machine in order to get a lot of PT. He had the right idea in the last game but the shots are still just ok for his standard at 40%. Thank God he can always draw fouls and get to FT line

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Why is he dressed like a woman?…Is that a new trend now…Man dressing like women.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Not following Sham after JLin left NYK. what’s up with him. was it a Halloween party or what?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    JLin’s puffy eyes…haven’t been sleeping well…

  • CJSHYY

    10 shots is not a lot… but better than 8 shots per game. smh! I really hate his team ball theory sometimes. Who gave him this idea?

  • CJSHYY

    But look at Dragic now in Heat, even he got the money but no power or ball. Today it’s 1-5 w 2 pts. Some people said he’s the best to bench & run the 2nd unit….. He should stay w Sun.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Halloween party.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    only rue for not taking the open shots but chose to pass for “better” shots…plenty of missed opportunities to shoot.

  • Steppen03

    Sunday night here, AND I WANT JL7 to get his 40+ points SOON!! Tonight, Pistons’ Drummond 26 Reb & 29 Pts & R. Jackson 40 Pts in a good comeback Vs Blazers.
    Cliff HAVE to “really” unleash Lin – and let him start and gel with 1st and 2nd unit. Why can’t Lin play SG ?? He’s strong enough and more firepower to start in Q1. Why can’t Robert help playmaking for 2nd unit along with Lin ? Why Kemba, Lin, Marvin, Frank, Al on the floor together ?? And sub Marvin or Frank for Batum.

  • Maknusia

    He has enough touches, check out his usage…its pretty much at the norm

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I guess Cliff has his limitations….like basketball IQ.

  • Love Lin

    Road trips r pretty tiring 4 some players..

  • james brown

    evrybody has limitations..Coach Cliff knows basketball well, but knowing is different from execution and how to Properly execute a basketball plan is another skill that maybe needs to be learned or practiced to make it a bit Proper.

  • Love Lin

    Hes always full of confidence at the beginning of the season in the new team. Even he confronts difficulties or hes in straits, he prays 4 the strength n keep telling himself that having faith 4 a better tmrw.

    Its been 6 games only so far, hopefully coach Cliff finds the best line-up n Lins role 4 the team. “Consistency in terms of location and team” is what Lins been chasing n we fans hv been hoping 4..

  • Love Lin

    Drag queen..

  • Tommy

    Even then I doubt he will get 24+mins CLifford is that stubborn
    the best he can do is do his best and get the h*** out of there next season

  • Tommy

    hes an explosive scorer and he can dish out dimes
    hes underrated by Lin fans

  • Maknusia

    true…I think he is gonna have a good year this season

  • JoeTeam

    Livingston is a real team player, willing to pass even if he’s scored sub 5 pts. Festus is playing really well, I don’t miss Bogut.

  • grover chang

    When young I thought traveling for business would be fun. After experiencing it, nothing is better then home. Everyone have a good night sleep.

  • JoeTeam

    or maybe it is not a fight but more a journey of discovery because our minds are noisy and we must quiet it down to hear the gentle message? dunno, just don’t think it’s a fight for most because a lot of people just want to do right.

  • steven ko

    Jeremy is eligible to be traded next month. will it happen?

  • JoeTeam

    until BSc iced that unit.

  • spiderman

    If it does, it’s hornets loss (just as in houston and knicks).
    It’s the curse of teams that aren’t able to identify greatness when they have it

  • spiderman

    What is wrong with these athletes?
    Something in the gatorade?

  • Rick Johnson

    Halloween Party. This is some of the other Cav’s players:

    https://twitter.com/TheeSignman/status/661321315585011716

  • Maknusia

    lol…Halloween,mate 🙂 Its okay to freak out once a while

  • IsabeliJane*17

  • Top Hornets Subreddit Thread: Best Lineups, So Far

    The Walker, Batum, Lin, Williams group + Jefferson or Zeller is 20 points better than any other group
    The best defensive lineup is the starting five. The 2nd best:

    Batum, Jefferson, Kaminsky, Lin and Walker

    https://twitter.com/thesuitedmonk88/status/663468039334207489

  • IsabeliJane*17

  • Tommy

    doubt clifford will make use of it
    but all Lin can do is perferm at high level with limited PT he will be fine

  • Clifford is committed to experiment to produce great 1st and 2nd unit as 1-2 punch
    That’s still ok if they close with the best lineup with Kemba/Li/Batum

    But the concern comes when he asked Lamb to be a playmaker after 2 hot-shooting game + new contract. When Lamb’s defense gets exploited and his shooting goes back to normal, I expect Clifford to realize Linning is worth more than Lambing.

    Lin can produce without shooting well since he’s a FT machine; Lamb is ineffective when shots don’t fall.

  • Rick Johnson

    But you can see the logic of the lineup. Lin in for PJ improves net rating 3 points as OffRtg improves but DefRtg decreases. But if there is a bigger loss to the bench. Hawes/Kaminsky/Lamb/Lin/Williams still has NetRtg of +26.4. Other lineups especially those with Roberts are really bad. So putting Lin in with the starters improves a little but has a big negative effect on the bench. JLin needs some better players with him on the bench though.

    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/lineups/advanced/?CF=MIN*G*5&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

  • sport

    I also hate it when Lin doesn’t take more shots 10 shots is really low still. Most star players average 15 shots per game! Lin should at least take 12 shots per game.

  • Maknusia

    right now he is averaging at 8.8…..i think he will..probably he is just getting a feel of how the team plays….as we can see from game to game…his FGA been getting better

  • sport

    Except those passes by Lin aren’t “better” shots when he just passes to the teammate asking for the ball next to him and they chuck up a miss shot! He needs to learn to say no and get his own especially on those fast breaks, just head to the rim or stop and pop for 3s.

  • sport

    Except right now I don’t see Clifford experimenting with the starting lineup nor giving Lin the chance to start during regular season.

  • sport

    32 minutes will do because ever since Rockets decided to marginalized Lin, he never got anymore 32 minutes on any time ever again including with the Hornets right now!

  • sport

    Bulls coach is worst than Clifford, heck no! Not to mention many Bulls fans are die hard D Rose fans so no thank you! Imagine all the hate from fans.

  • sport

    Lin needs to have high average PPG for the season in order to get a good contract and that’s not going to happen if he doesn’t take more shots. His “ideal” team theory won’t work because no one’s going to make him the leader of the team until he proves he’s a star with his scoring ability! That means scoring 20+ points per game.

  • unfortunately yes, he said his concern was Batum had to guard the dangerous scorer (i.e. Korver) without Hairston in a small lineup so he wanted Kemba+Batum to be the main playmakers in the 1st unit.

  • it’s definitely tough anchoring the bench.
    Clifford really needs to make JLin be the main playmaker for 2nd unit.
    Roberts is definitely pretty bad; he just wanted to score

  • james brown

    not really at this point of time. Roberts playing at regular season(if has given the chance ) is a different player for he already was given instruction to defer to Jlin as evidenced by his previous plays and games.at times when he’s inside the court, he just bring the ball and immediately passing the ball to Jeremy to initiate a play or score a point. Roberts is just a reliever right now and has no definite role, so he needs to follow direction otherwise will totally lose minutes when the team plays.

  • GoodDayLA

    Lin is not a leader type.

  • GoodDayLA

    I am just unsure if coaches not good enough or roster is hopeless. I agree roster is so so but coaching subpar i think.

  • Maknusia

    I think he is….but in Hornets, I think he is taking a step back to let the pieces to fall in place…good or bad…thats a separate discussion 🙂

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Not sure whether this has been posted since I was out for the last 20 hours:-)
    https://twitter.com/Librafree/status/663643691706249217

  • adele

    I think Lin knows that he wont be given the minutes he is being promised to thats why he started twitting bible verses again. Unless somebody is hurt but we dont wish that to happen. He is not closing games even. I also believe that the genius of p & r is D’Antoni. Clifford is not that smart.

  • adele

    Too bad. They dont trust Lin

  • Phoenix Rising

    He’s following the path of Coach Pop and Steve Nash (based on Lin’s comments over the last 3 years). Can’t have better inspirations, if you ask me 🙂

  • adele

    Ye but he is allowed to take more shot attempts even if he scores or not. He is allowed to make mistakes and still be a star. Stars can go up to 30 shot attempts or more and score as high as 100 points. But our Lin is not allowed to do that. He is not a star in their eyes. He can only make 9 attempts and not allowed to make mistakes otherwise he will be benched and not given minutes to play. Sad but thats reality. A lot of people can reflect the way Lin is treated and still humble and continue on being a great person spiritually. He endures and I guess the most that we can do is just be patient too.

  • adele

    Yes, they know how not to make the playoffs.

  • KL

    I need a dose of Linsanity. It’s about time.

  • adele

    That should not be the case. In Linsanity, there are no stars but he is given the free reign.

  • adele

    Clifford is not a master in P&R like D’Antoni. It’s night and day.

  • adele

    He is not allowed. Lin avoids jealousy and its obvious that this is Kemba’s team.

  • Maknusia

    me too!!!! 🙂

  • Maknusia

    Personally, I dont think Lin is a volume shooter…this is from observation…he would take more shots, when the game is in line and when its need…be would rather pass either for better shooting option or to boost his teammates in getting into the game

  • adele

    Yes but if he is given free reign like in Linsanity days, he scores and pass. Just like what Curry is doing. Just what star point guards are doing

  • adele

    Deep in my heart im constantly praying for another miracle. We might not be seeing it for now but there’s always hope.

  • kittyhead

    At least he got the big money. He still has time to wait for Wade’s retiring or being traded. Wade wont last too long…

  • Maknusia

    he was hired as backup and given a backup role…to me he had met and exceeded that requirement.

    If we are talking about increase in minutes and bigger role, obviously we need to give more time for the coaching staff to read and understand the game. It ant be decided in a 4 or 5 games…its a long season…hence its gonna take some time to derive to the desired state

  • Maknusia

    Hope It Is….

  • kjch

    Me too. Someone remind when was the last time Jeremy went linsane mode… Was it lakers vs Boston?

  • kittyhead

    I think he is affected by Nash a lot. I remember he mentioned he admired Nash’s unselfishness most. He said even Nash could score easily, but he would pass on open shots to teammates, sth like this. Nash was once complained by his coach for not shooting enough, but he said he wanted to save his shots for teammates and could wait for critical shots in Q4.(if my memory isnt right, please correct me) But but Lin…you arent a terrific shooter and passer like Nash…:p The trend has changed; most starting guards shoot a lot!!Stats talk!!

  • Phoenix Rising

    Can’t argue with your points. In addition, Lin is historically a better finisher at the rim than Nash (and most guards!), so makes all the more sense for him to take more shots.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Linsanity 2.0 is not going to happen anytime soon. Linsanity was birthed during a period of desperation – when the pool of starters had depleted and no one to turn to.

  • Maknusia

    Yes Sir!

  • Phillycheese

    Lin needs to find that desperation gene and use it.

  • Phillycheese

    Man, lin hand delivered two points to Marvin under the basket and all he had to do was go up and score. And he could nit even do that. Like Gisele said about Tom Brady, he cant throw and catch the ball on the same play. Not one of Lin’s teammate has shown they can finish his assists – except maybe Zeller.

  • kjch

    I think KL is referring to just a good old Linsane performance like 38pt vs Spurs or triple double off the bench vs Cavaliers.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    o i c….one off Linsane mode….oki.tokie.

  • David Kim

    When batum and Lin play together, coach should let Lin play pg not batum

  • KL

    Yes. Somehow when we feel a bit down, Lin always seems to put up a great performance.

  • TTNN

    Kemba don’t go deep, he likes to shoot mid range, so it’s different.

  • guest

    Let’s say Coach Clifford assigns Jeremy to play SG when he and Batum are playing together is to ensure Jeremy hone his SG skill while Batum learns to become a better playmaker. In a perfect scenario, both will improve as combo guard and put them with Kemba, the best 3-player lineup, they play PG interchangably…does it make sense at all?

  • Brent Yen

    Not at all

  • guest

    ok…:(((

  • Brent Yen

    LOL….well…the goal is winning, Batum is great at 3, Kemba and Lin both great at 1 and 2….why not just play as is?

  • guest

    None of us here seems to know so I give a wild guess that doesn’t “victimise” the coaches, FO under my “consipracy theory” to be villain..
    Like many of us say, it’s only the beginning of the season, coaches are experimenting…

  • Brent Yen

    Lol…..I do not think it was experimenting….

  • Rick Johnson
  • Maknusia

    so what do you think?

  • guest

    not experimenting then what is it?

    Also, what’s the difference between last season and this season that there won’t be another “Lance Stephensen” episode(other than the purported attitude issue)?

  • adele

    I understand having to be patient but his minutes are decreasing. Are we seeing the same treatment of Lin from the staff or we look the other way?

  • Brent Yen

    They are not experimenting, they are trying to make their plan work.
    They THINK it will work, We KNOW it is wasting Lin’s talent…

  • guest

    alright… What do you think the reason Jeremy’s minutes are reduced?

  • CJSHYY

    Not surprised but it’s Kobe’s last year so…Lakers don’t care win or not.

  • Brent Yen

    Because Kemba and Lamb is over performing, and Batum is playing 2 plus Hairston’s D. It is like a perfect storm to Lin….if you know what I mean.

  • adele

    For me, Clifford should experiment on Lin to be the floor general for 10 games and see how many wins they can get. Thats the only experiment that will put my faith back to the coaching staffand front office. Until the time Lin will be given free reign (which is unlikely) because of politics and no trust, I dont have faith and trust in the coaching and management.

  • golfhacker

    Coach has said he wants an up tempo offense: This is what Jeremy should do: Anytime he gets a chance to bring the ball up from the backcourt, he should take off as if on a fast break, leaving his teammates in the dust. If he doesn’t have a path for a layup or is like 1-on-3, he should then stop at the three point line and look back at his teammates with a DISGUSTED “C’mon, can’t you keep up with me, let’s go” expression. This will show the coaches that he is trying to play uptempo, but can’t because his teammates on the floor are too slow to play with him. Of course, Jeremy is too nice and would never show up his teammates like that, but at this stage, he has to do something to outwardly show that he is being misused (wrong players on the court with him or him playing out of position).

  • guest

    So Jeremy isn’t getting Rich Cho’s and Coach Clifford’s promises of plaing his brand of basketball fulfilled?

  • Brent Yen

    May I add one more step? AFTER “C’mon, can’t you keep up with me, let’s go” expression, he should just shoot that 3….jk

  • Brent Yen

    He is, just about 6 possessions per game….

  • Brent Yen

    see above…lol

  • adele

    Really? At the expense of losing? That’s not a smart approach to me. It made me question the goals for this team and organization. I thought that it should be about winning and not how to mold a player to be a star and make a tag on a certain player.

  • Brent Yen

    Well…to be fair, it is not like they know they will lose and still do it to lose

  • guest

    I pressume the politicking that are alluded here means the FO/GM can dictate the lineup, starters, etc. I thought Rich Cho is genuine and sincere in bringing in Jeremy to win games and advance deep in the post season…but all i see now is that the NBA and HOrnets FO keep milking on Jeremy’s popularity and manipulating Jeremy’s fans!

  • Brent Yen

    It is not that bad…once the shooting is back (to normal…not Linsane) everything will be fine.

  • guest

    So that really tells us the Hornets underrate Jeremy’s talent and overrate others’…

  • Brent Yen

    We knew this coming into the preseason when we learned Batum is gonna play 2….did we not?

  • guest

    It’s not the shooting but the role being given to Jeremy.
    hmm..you sound like you’re “happy” about Jeremy’s role? I guess not?

  • guest

    That’s why some fans are right in saying Jeremy’s role isn’t rightly assigned even it’s only 6games into the season. sigh

  • adele

    Its not as bad as rockets and lakers but Lin will not be used properly by this team and will become a journey man. Have you read his post? He needs consistency in playing time and he needs to stay in a team for a long time. How long are they going to experiment on Lamb and give Lin’s minutes to him?

  • Brent Yen

    Of course not, but I also know this would happen. I have said in preseason that there would be some behavioral change at the season opener…it is just normal. Lin is brought in to take whatever left on the table of this team. We knew it. It is just too bad that, so far, the leftover on the table is not enough yet. LOL

  • adele

    What do you mean by over performing? They should be all wins by now if their stars are over performing. What I say is that the stars are over shooting and not making it and the results are loses.

  • guest

    And yet they make it look like Jeremy is the face of the franchise?
    Now, that confirm my suspicion and I am getting very annoyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Shameless Rich Cho!!!
    HOrnets will never gonna be able to earn a single dime from me. Yeah, I know they dont care. That’s fine!

  • Brent Yen

    Well…of course I am saying individually…

  • guest

    Agreed. They are not over performing. They are only stats-padding. The Hornets will not make the playoffs if this continues.

  • Brent Yen

    Ha….calm down…I still think Lin will get plenty of chances as promised.

  • guest

    Like what and how?
    A promise is a promise and jusging by the way they under rate Jeremy, i don’t think they will fulfill their promises.

  • Brent Yen

    We will see….LOL

  • guest

    not a joking matter but okay…God has a special for Jeremy, we will see!

  • Brent Yen

    Let’s hope I am right! and JLin will be great!

  • adele

    Thats what im seeing in this Hornets coaching team. They are not quick and smart enough to make adjustments to get that win. And im so frustrated that they already saw and have known that Lin can be a great leader and they turn the other cheek. They are throwing him crumbs on the table. He is still the underdog in their minds. Sad. 🙁

  • guest

    Brent, Jeremy will be GREAT. He will be!

  • guest

    I originally thought Rich Cho is smart and genuine. Maybe he isn’t. Sad:(((

  • golfhacker

    I don’t want to be a downer, but I can see his NBA career slowing slipping away. I accept a lot of “things” are out of his control (some things more controversial than others), but I believe if he doesn’t start putting up “numbers”, he won’t be in the NBA much longer or at the very least will be of little significance. Think about it, he is 27 years old. Like it or not, the NBA is a stats-driven league. And you CANNOT underestimate the fans’ influence on the front office.

    There are two types of teams in the NBA, contenders and teams who are rebuilding (or “tanking”). Contending teams already have their “star” players. They are not going to defer to Jeremy. Rebuilding teams will not pass up a “potential” franchise PG in the draft even if Jeremy happens to already be on the team. Jeremy’s only chance to “star” is to land on a team that makes him the starting PG and has much more glaring weaknesses at the other positions so they don’t look to draft a PG.

  • Brent Yen

    He will be good…don’t be too down……:P

  • adele

    And we all know that its not a good thing for the team if the goal is for the benefits of individual stars. Thanks Brent for putting up with my comments here. Im just venting my frustrations on limiting Lins minutes.

  • golfhacker

    I hope you’re right 🙂 We know he works hard, but asking for the stars to align is probably asking for too much. Linsanity was such a cruel tease.

  • Brent Yen

    Ruling out the scenario of injury and he lost his passion. I do not see him exit NBA early….

  • Tommy

    thats scary part
    Cliffor might not realize it

  • Tommy

    No team will defer to Lin at this point and wont make him their starting PG
    but he still belongs in the NBA hes here to stay

  • adele

    I am into this fantasy games and me and my husband is putting in money. I have Lin, Al, and Batum. If you are into a fantasy league, you tend to make analysis on certain players. How they’re being used by the team, check on their performance and health issues. I watch every game, check on the box score, play by play. I closely monitored each play. Not just Lin but the other players on the Hornets team most specially. Im not happy with what I’m seeing and my observations. Im sure Lin is not happy also thus the bible verse tweet.

  • Brent Yen

    No doubt that this team is not doing well….not at all…

  • golfhacker

    He will be able to hang on so long as his salary is cap-friendly, and as Brent says below, he doesn’t lose his passion to play.

  • Tommy

    hes averaging 11pts in less than 24mins he will always find a buyer
    i dont know why people are worries hes still a quality back up PG
    he was fighting for a spot on the roster when he started now hes a solid rotational player
    dont think he will lose passion

  • Tommy

    he brought back some good players and he signed lin to a 2mil/yr deal
    hes pretty smart as far as coaching goes, he has no say, clifford doesnt seem like he listens anyways
    he has his own agenda how to play the game

  • Tommy

    fantasy wise
    Lin is not worth owning because of his usage

  • golfhacker

    I think even the most objective Lin fans think Jeremy is more than a quality backup PG. That’s what drives us crazy! We’re not satisfied that he is looked upon as just a backup PG. We know his prorated stats are good, but I would venture a guess that quite a few front office decision makers don’t take the time to consider those metrics.

  • Tommy

    you never know Lin drew interests in the off season too

  • NONONO

    Jeremy Lin trade talk? I have found multiple rumors regarding trading Lin to Bulls TODAY. It seems very logical because Hornets wouldn’t help Lin much for the following reasons 1. Hornets does not have a “big” who can run PnR with Lin better than those bigs in Lakers,Rockets,Knicks. 2. Lin is one year rental, Hornets only let Lin handle ball in few mins a game. 3. Players might trust each more, but do not share balls more. It will fail the chance for playoff. 4. Bulls likes run PnR, and they are in desperate needs a healthy GP who can run PnR with their READY big . They targeted Lin before the season. Lin showed them his value during the preseason game and the blowout regular season game. I would for the trade.

  • adele

    Now, I have to take out Lin in my fantasy league because he is not given minutes so his production is very low. Also I don’t care if he is garnering assist because assists are worth 2 points. Rebounds, blocks and steals are also added points. Turn overs are deductions and poor shooting percentage is also a deduction. I have to read the teams news to get the feel of each player they are promoting and building up. Fantasy games are fun but then its not fun for me because I witness directly the results of how Lin is being marginalized. I don’t even want to continue.

  • adele

    I know but going into the regular season, after their strong pre season games, I am full of optimism. Lin produces until they signed Lambs extension.

  • adele

    So what does this tell us? Even in fantasy games he is not worth having. More so in reality?

  • wandertheglobe

    Where is the source? Frankly, it’s too early, Lin is a nice and cheap insurance policy at PG/SG in case KW gets hurt. He’s valuable (both skills and business) to them even if it’s one year rental. Why would Hornets do such a deal unless if they can get something just as valuable if not more?

  • NONONO

    For key players like Batum, Williams, Hairston, it is their contact yeat, I do to expect much “no one care about who scores” at all. Lin does not work well with Batum!

  • NONONO

    Sorry. For key players like Batum, Williams, Hairston, it is their contact year, I do NOT expect much “no one care about who scores” at all. Lin does not work well with Batum!

  • adele

    So we will just watch him as 3rd string back up PG then because I understand they have Roberts as their back up pg. They look at lin as an sg. He is also a third string sg.

  • NONONO

    I think Lin’s 80% value is ability of playmaking off SCREENS. Hornets does not good at screen setting at all. Clifford seems to give up his strategies developed in preseason. I do not see any hope for Lin in Hornets.

  • Tommy

    fantasy and real basketball are different
    Lin is still worth owning in real NBA

  • Tommy

    those sources are unreliable they make up stories
    international, christian and australia and sometimes latino post

  • Acbc

    It appears to me that Batum is Cho’s big signing, ergo, he’s getting the minutes and ball in hand. Clifford may have his hands tied for the time being because they might have promised Batum a Lebron role.

    This is why I say Clifford may be letting out enough rope for Batum to fail badly enough to make Cho give up on Batum as a long term signing. Both Clifford and Cho are on the cutting board as well so, they have to win now. Lin proved to be the glue guy and catalyst for the team during preseason.

    Ultimately it a matter which way will save their jobs and make them look like geniuses.

  • Lx

    and once he goes to the bulls, they are going to trade Lin and Rose for Carmelo Anthony.

  • Dan Cohen

    you still hoping for linsanity 2.0??? dude, will never happen.

  • NONONO

    I wish someone could show the stats about Lin’s successful PnR play for each game. It seems like 1 to 0.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Nope. Not hoping and also not expecting it to happen.

  • wandertheglobe

    Yes agree. They made up stuff to get clicks knowing there are tons of Lin’s fans out there.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s not about what you think, it’s about the source like international, christianpost, australia and latino post all are garbage. Their “source” has never been right, not even close.

  • adele

    Not as a star though 🙁

  • adele

    So if the stars and the 2nd string players are healthy, Lin will play 9 to 10 min unless its a blow out. And even blow outs they didnt let him play last time. But they let stars play to gain stats for the upcoming all stars.

  • Dong Xu

    Practice in Minnesota
    https://vine.co/v/eleDQWD6UzD

  • I think it’s good that Pete Guelli tweeted JLin’s quote to play his game as a Hornet
    Perhaps as an attempt to quell the Bulls trade rumor that has been swirling around?

    https://twitter.com/PeteGuelli/status/663772038616784896

  • CJSHYY

    Let’s see what really happen tomorrow.

  • thanks .. it’s pretty cool to see the # of loops continually increasing
    8002 loops now!

  • sws94

    He does not need to put up anything close to 18/8 15/6 would be fine. What he needs to do is make a big impact and have a few big-scoring games. Come in there, facilitate, lift the team mates up, organize the offense, score at times, draw fouls, do Lin things. I think he should come in and play at a much faster tempo than he’s playing. He’s almost playing at half-court tempo when he is an up-tempo type player. I agree that he needs to put up a bunch of 20 plus point games. But at the end of the season, he should look to up his GPA to 15. He should also take Kobe’s challenge to be a top defense PG.

  • Maybe “Silence of the Lambs” will continue playing in the nearest theatre lol
    jk

    I honestly think Lamb would get 2-3 more tries to be shooter/playmaker and JLin will continue to attack the rim & get FTs as a result. JLin is doing the right thing

  • sws94

    Just one of those things. Marvin is a good player, he just botched that shot.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Watching the highlight as I missed the last game, Lin was playing with third string in garbage time. I hope I’m right but it seemed like Clifford wanted to see which of these can match better with Lin so more changes are coming.

  • Dong Xu

    Yes, hope will be great one tomorrow!

  • Good to see Swarm&Sting put a nice smiling JLin picture in the article about reaching the playoff.
    Hope tomorrow’s game will give us more reason to smile.

    https://twitter.com/bolero2010/status/663788373014765569

  • Dan Cohen

    hey man. you took my quote! silence of the lambo!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Then stop looking at the coach when walking on mid court.

  • no copyright :] been using it since preseason lol

  • CJSHYY

    Hornets is #13 now & I believe if Lin plays well they will make it. If not …. no hope.

  • Dan Cohen

    oh geez. it’s just one practice shot guys.. many players make that.. lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Please win the next game then the next next.

  • NONONO

    Clifford WANTs Lin to play his way. But it does work. 1. Lin only got fewer and fewer mins to play his way. 2. Lin’s way means some bigs can setup meaningfull screens and know how to roll. So far, no much screen. 3. Every time Lin passed ball to someone, you expect very few would ever pass it back to him no matter how open he is.

  • Pete Guelli also wants to 2nd Dragon2004’s tweet for JLin to free his mind & play his game.

    https://twitter.com/PeteGuelli/status/663789727267561472

  • that’s certainly very discouraging since Lin handling the ball & getting multiple screens are as expected. There were flashes of multiple screen in the Bulls game plus Hawes/Lin drawn play by Clifford but we need more of them, not fewer

    Hope Clifford realizes good things happen when JLin is the main playmaker; he’ll find Lamb, Frank and others in good position

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If the Hornets win tomorrow game it will be considered success road trip.

  • NONONO

    Bulls vs Timberwolves. 93:102 yesterday. D. Rose 11pts, 5 Asts and 5 TOs. Trade Lin please.

  • Dong Xu

    Hawes and Zeller aren’t good at pain attacker. Especially Hawes. Haven’t seen 1 alley-oop so far. Lin need someone like Tyson, ED, DH, then the PnR can shows the best damage.

  • Hawes is more pick&pop than pick&roll because he’s not physical enough to jump quickly & finish

    Zeller on the other hand can do so so I’m not sure why he’s been missing to cut to the basket and finish strong. He might need to eat more, I guess

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It will NEVER go through trade, $20 mil and $2 mil.

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets move up from 26 to 21. Well it’s progress.

    https://twitter.com/hornets_fanly/status/663779615266111488

  • Dong Xu

    Nothing will happen. Even Hornets want to trade Lin, must wait until Dec. 15 .

  • Dong Xu

    Agreed, don’t even need to mention Hansbrough, just make me speak-less. 🙁

  • NONONO

    If Hornets continues keeps Lin’s mins like 18 mins when winnings and 22 mins for losings, Dec 15 is not bad,

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Actually Dec 9.

  • NONONO

    My prediction is Bulls would deal Rose with buyout.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s the only way out. No one wants to take his contract $20 this year and $21 next.

  • Good PnR analysis & praise in RealGM on JLin:
    – Pick-and-Pop with Hawes is not working, no threat in Pick-and-Finish.
    – Correct suggestion to start with JLin’s dribble-drive to collapse the defense.
    – Defensively, JLin didn’t do well in Spurs by overhelping too early on team D but he’ll bounce back.

    JohnStockton » Yesterday 8:38 am

    I liked Lin’s offensive game tonight quite a bit. He came out aggressively, looking to create/score off of dribble-drive isolation, which I’ve been waiting for him to do, since teams have been trapping him off the Pick N’ Roll very aggressively – particularly near the sideline Picks.

    It was refreshing tonight to see him adjust to the PnR traps, and instead stick to attacking from the top of the key. This avoided the action of calling for the sideline Pick that gives the defense a chance to set and attack. There was even a play where a sideline PnR was initially called, and then Lin opted to forego the pick once he saw the defense getting ready to trap him. The headiness was a positive – since in previous games he had elected to drive right into the trap, causing him to make panicked passes out of it.

    Those expecting the 2nd unit to swing the ball around like the Spurs might be disappointed with everything the 2nd unit did (including Lin’s dribble driving, which appears to be the opposite of ball-movement), but the Hornets current bench lineup is just not very good/talented collectively. Just got to call a spade a spade. The 2nd unit has been trying to PnR to death, but the bigs just aren’t threats to roll and finish (especially Hawes), and they also aren’t threatening as pick and pop options either. As such, I prefer when Lin initiates the offense via the dribble-drive, since it forces the defense to collapse, and isn’t as predictable (and easy to guard) as constant perimeter screens.

    Other offensive side notes: Lin showed some midrange game as well off the drives, which was appreciated. He was foregoing the midrange J completely when he started the season – and it’s still a relatively new facet of his game – so it was a good sign mentally that he had the confidence to look for it. It seemed that he had no confidence in his midrange game previous – so to see him pull it out was cool.

    As for defense, Lin was trash. Mills blew by him in isolation a few times, which resulted in the defense collapsing and wide open treys. He showed on help defense too early on several plays, resulting in relatively easy passes to open shooters. Basically bad man-defense and help-defense as well. I could see what he was trying to do with his help defense, but he was trying to be in two places at once – and subsequently was in neither place.

  • Rick Johnson

    Exactly. Lin needs a rolling big like Davis or Tyson Chandler. Handsbrough seems like a good candidate but in small sample size I haven’t been impressed with his ability to finish at the rim.

  • JJ Hui
  • TTNN

    On this team, the best P&R partner with Lin is Jefferson. Lin could create better opportunities and deliver the ball on time, and Jefferson has the capability to finish it.

    Which is quite different from Kemba and Jefferson pair. I’m still waiting for Hornets to figure that out and give Lin/Jefferson more overlapping time. Pretty much every game when Lin/Jefferson play together, there will be an assist from Lin to Jefferson. even Entry pass, Lin could pass it over without Jefferson come out too far, so he could get the ball very deep.

  • sws94

    I agree. Excellent summation. Lin’s defense will improve next game. He just has to not give 3 point shooters any space at all when possible. If they get space from a pick, then the offense is doing their job.

  • sws94

    He probably can. KHuang says he has a good touch and I think he’s seen more of him than most of us have whether we regard him as high has KHuang does or not.

  • Acbc

    Thank you

  • Acbc

    Could be Asian main lobster? Lol

  • Rick Johnson

    Then they should get a real coach that can develop the young players instead of the incompetent Kobe fanboy they have now. Perhaps Scott Brooks. Who knows Scott Brooks might even attract Durant or Westbrook.

  • Agree. Even if Al blows his defensive assignment repeatedly, Lin/Jefferson PnR had very good timing as long as Al is not too far away from the rim. His midrange Js are just not reliable.

    We should see Lin/Zeller to do pick & finish but perhaps Zeller’s health is not 100% yet

  • It’s too bad there’s no Ed Davis in this system.
    Their strong chemistry would automaticaly demand Lin to be the main playmaker

  • Spot

    Lin could be good with Noah not with Gasol

  • Spot

    They’re talking nonsense.

    It’s not up to Lin to free his mind and play his game.

    Lin could only execute what Clifford wants. Or will be benched.

  • DX

    ED could get a good contract 50% based on Lin play PnR with him.

  • Spot

    Problem is not Lamb who is a good player.

    Problem is the coach.

  • Great article on Hornets shooting bigs. Plus JLin’s praise for many versatile big men.
    Bo’s tweet on Lin/Hawes even got included 🙂

    [sportingNews] Charlotte Hornets took oversized path to finding floor spacing
    ..
    Without Jefferson on the floor, the cornucopia of stretch big men starts to make sense. Lin has been the facilitator, averaging 11.6 points and 3.4 assists per game in 22.2 minutes. The bench unit leads the league in 3-point percentage and is third in efficiency.

    Zeller (21 minutes per game) and Hawes (18.4) have been the first big men off the bench. Add in Lin and Jeremy Lamb and you have a mix of reserves who can space the floor.

    Lin’s play off pick action from Zeller and Hawes is what opens it all up. Zeller,averaging seven points and 5.4 rebounds a night, is a high energy player who can finish around the rim making him a prime roll candidate. Conversely, with a shooter like Hawes, who averages six points and 3.6 rebounds, help defenders can’t give up too much space on the big man while guarding Lin’s drives.

    “In terms of the bigs, I think I play fine with all of them,” Lin said. “Cody runs, he gets to the right spot. Playing with Big Al, you know, he’s so smart and talented, you can give him the ball anywhere. … It’s been fun man. I don’t think I’ve ever played on a team with this many versatile big men.”

    Seeing Lin run with the glutton of stretch big men, you quickly notice how well Hawes suits Lin’s game. With Hawes, the pick and pop has kept the defense honest. Lin was on the floor for all five of Hawes field goals Tuesday and got the assist on three of them.

    Hawes passing abilities have led to some easy baskets for Lin as well.
    https://twitter.com/bolero2010/status/661726374768472064
    Hawes, who struggled last season with the Clippers, said Lin’s slashing helps him get good looks.

    “The way (Lin) can attack the hoop, especially the pressure he puts on the defense in collapsing everybody,” said Hawes who is shooting 37 percent from 3. “I can set the screen and I can kinda just stay out there and try to create as much space as possible.”

    Link: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4660644-hornets-front-court-al-jefferson-frank-kaminsky-marvin-williams-cody-zeller-spencer-hawes

  • Spot

    Ed couldn’t do nothing if there was another one clogging the line.
    Anyway, they should’ve executed the scheme …

    People made up in their mind a Clifford who is a Jeremy fan and gives freedom to Lin.

    That Clifford doesn’t exist.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    True, that free mind talking should be from Clifford.

  • Lin Fans, let’s promote Lin/Davis chemistry to Pete Guelli =)
    Who knows if GM will make phone calls in Dec 2015

    Ed Davis average in Portland dropped to 5.7p/7.9r from 8.3p/7.6r last season

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/663841321770049536

  • orLinaryjoe

    Jeremy Lin’s NBA career was on the rocks last season when he fell in and out of Byron Scott’s rotation with the Los Angeles Lakers. It was horrible, an experience no NBA player would wish on another.

    But now he’s on the Charlotte Hornets, firmly entrenched as Kemba Walker’s backup, and he’s encouraged to play his style and do what he’s best at. It’s like night and day. Here’s what Lin recently told CBS Sports about the move:

    “We understand that it’s a long year and you gotta have fun,” Lin said. “We want to develop something where we are really close with each other on the court and off the court. That’s why we spend a lot of time together and why you see us having a lot of fun and joking around. We really want this to be a great experience.” It has only been six games but this type of experience and the culture in Charlotte is what Lin has been searching for throughout his rollercoaster NBA journey. With a consistent role and a good team atmosphere, Lin seems at home in Charlotte. “[Charlotte] wants me to go play my game,” Lin said. “That’s liberating in a lot of ways.”

    Lin’s box score stats aren’t noticeably different from the past few seasons, but he’s getting to the line more and running more pick-and-rolls (his specialty).

    The international sensation is finally comfortable, and that’s more important than anything else.

    http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-110915

  • orLinaryjoe

    Re-watched Spurs game. Spurs are just playing better. Ball movement, and shooting. Lin had some mistakes, but liked him not hesitant imho. Aldridge air ball was much worse, lol.

  • Spot

    With Clifford they would be useless.

    Change coach then small changes on roster (Jefferson for Davis could be good for both).

    But Clifford must go.

  • haha .. too soon
    easier to change player than a coach at this point.
    Clifford likes PnR; he won’t be able to resist using Lin/Davis for sure

  • Fun vid: JLin fans want to see Lin PnR like this puppy wants this celery badly

  • Spot

    Right now Charlotte are underperforming.
    This team could be much better with the right rotation and right schemes.

    It’s just Clifford has really good players and some of them like Kaminsky don’t even play.

  • Spot

    No, he doesn’t. He’s no good. Plus, he’s a liar. And that’s worse.

    Next games Lamb will close games. Clifford is like McHale.

  • I just enjoy watching Lin/Davis connection so much. Their chemistry is the best; even better than Lin/Tyson IMO

    I wonder if they will ever be reunited *Sigh*

    https://youtu.be/GB4THFgm8no?t=46s

  • Spot

    Too bad Dallas didn’t make a fair offer to Jeremy.

    Lin and DeAndre could’ve killed every team

  • DeAndre had cold feet, though

    Lin/Davis in any PnR system would be a treat to watch.
    Lin/Drummond too

  • Rick Bonnel’s latest article about managing back-to-back schedule.
    Light practice & staying at San Antonio rather than flying to MIN helps

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/663773854506967040

  • Clifford would be all for a more baseball-like schedule where teams took longer road trips broken up by longer home-stands.

    “In-and-outs are the energy sappers. I’d rather go on a five-game road trip than do what we’re doing here these next two weeks. That’s a hard way to go,” Clifford said. “I’d rather it be when you’re on the road you’re on the road.

    “This time it’s six (games) in 12 nights early in the year. Then we go seven in 11 nights and its mostly out (of town), in, out, in.”

    Clifford said he stole a travel trip from the Spurs Saturday, having the team stay the night in San Antonio, since they don’t play again until Tuesday in Minneapolis.

    “It’s about not having that 3 a.m. arrival time” after a late-night charter flight, Clifford said.

    “I think it’s just makes more sense to avoid that 2:30 or 3 a.m. check-in time. I know when I check in at that time I don’t get to sleep until 4 or 4:30. I’d rather stay and get up (for a flight) tomorrow.”

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If this was about good business and customer satisfaction he would pass it on to the boss or launch an investigation. Unfortunately, this is an empire with lots of politic inside. To them, real fans only sit and root for their team no matter what. They are the expert not us. They’re always right even the team not making the playoff.

  • he did came back with Tencent TV viewers number so he has been quite responsive & good to fans on twitter.

    There’s a small chance he might pass it on to coaching staff so we can only hope for the best.

    This is still much better than HOU and LAL, I think so it’s good to recognize the positive

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s his job, sales and marketing.

  • let’s wait & see.
    If he didn’t play Lin when Lin plays well, we can post his empty words about letting JLin to play his agme

  • Uh-Oh

    Silly poor dog! Haha

  • Spot

    Let’s see what happens. I won’t lose my hope. Season is long.

  • DX

    I wouldn’t judge Cliff now since only 6 games. Just keep patient and watch more games. Lin will get better and better for sure.

  • DX

    Agreed, we should wait and see. That’s much more complicated than someone thought. Lin mostly will only play 1 year. Cliff is currently working on his contract too. There are a lot of things need to balance.

  • Spot

    Longer video Lin+Ed Davis
    https://youtu.be/xG4eOEs4goI

  • Chipdip

    It seems the site needs some fix?

  • Chipdip

    Never mind. My error…

  • LW

    I have trouble loading this site’s home page for 3 days now. The home page is stuck at the Mavs post game thread. Anyone else?

  • Nonono

    You can how frequently ED set the screens for Lin and resulted so many scores for both of them. I think it is not a skill issue for those bigs in hornets. It is either selfish or low bb IQ.

  • bolero

    Hey. That’s my tweet. lol

  • try to clear the browser cache.
    I also refreshed the server cache

  • bolero

    are you using explorer?

  • Wolves Scouting Report has some good signs for the Hornets:
    – Back-to-back game after Wolves plays ATL on the road tonight
    – Pekovic is out

    Scouting Report | Wolves vs. Hornets by Kyle Ratke

    The Wolves are facing their first back-to-back of the 2015-16 season on Tuesday as they take on the Charlotte Hornets.

    As of Monday at 5 p.m., the Wolves sit at 3-2, good for fifth in the Western Conference. Minnesota plays the Hawks in Atlanta on Monday night.

    Charlotte is 2-4 so far, sitting in 13th place in the East.

    A few tidbits going into Tuesday night’s game:

    Former Wolves center Al Jefferson is slowly declining. He’s averaging 15.8 points and 7.5 rebounds per game, his lowest totals since 2005-06.

    The Hornets passed on Justise Winslow to draft Frank Kaminsky with the ninth overall pick in the 2015 draft. Kaminsky is playing just 10 minutes per game. Too early to call it a mistake, but Winslow has looked awfully good for Miami.

    How many minutes will the Wolves see from Tayshaun Prince and Kevin Garnett? We’ll see. It wouldn’t be a surprise if head coach Sam Mitchell decided to rest one of the two.

    THEY ARE COMING OFF OF…

    The Wolves play on Monday night at Atlanta. This section will be updated accordingly.

    The Hornets last played on Saturday against the Spurs in San Antonio. Charlotte lost 114-94 despite 27 points from guard Kemba Walker. Jefferson added 13 points, while Jeremy Lin led the second unit with 12. Nic Batum finished with 10 points. The Hornets were outrebounded 42 to 33.

    LAST MATCHUP:

    The Wolves were 0-2 against the Hornets last season. The last game came on March 22 at the Target Center. Charlotte won 109-98 behind 24 points from former Wolves point guard Mo Williams. Jefferson added 18 points and 11 rebounds. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist also scored 18 points. Gerald Henderson and Walker scored 18 and 17 points, respectively. Charlotte shot a blistering 50.6 percent from the field.

    Minnesota had seven players score 10 or more points, but nobody scored more than 16 points. Those 16 points belonged to Gorgui Dieng. Kevin Martin added 15 points and nine assists. Adreian Payne and Andrew Wiggins finished with 13 points each. Gary Neal and Zach LaVine both scored 11, while Chase Budinger added 10. Minnesota was hot as well, shooting 55.4 percent, but the Wolves just weren’t able to stop the Hornets’ offense.

    MATCHUP TO WATCH: RICKY RUBIO VS. KEMBA WALKER

    These two are very different point guard. Rubio is a pass-first point guard, while Walker is more of a scorer. With that being said, both are very important pieces for the success of their teams.

    Through six games, Walker is averaging 17.2 points and 5.3 assists per game. Most importantly, he’s shooting 44.9 percent from the field, up from his career average of 39.6 percent.

    Walker finished with 16 points, eight assists and three rebounds in one game against the Wolves last season.

    Not including Monday night’s game, Rubio is averaging 13.6 points (career-high), 9.2 assists, five rebounds and 2.2 steals per game. He’s doing it all for this Minnesota team. He’s also shooting a career-best 39.2 percent from the field.

    Rubio did not play in either game against the Hornets last season.

    INJURIES
    Hornets: Kidd-Gilchrist (shoulder) is out.
    Wolves: Pekovic (Achilles) is out.

    PROJECTED STARTING LINEUPS

    Hornets: PG- Walker, SG – Batum, SF – Hairston, PF – Williams, C – Jefferson
    Wolves: PG- Rubio, SG- Wiggins, SF- Prince, PF- Garnett, C- Towns

  • MIN Poll is up.

    Zach Lavine can be a tough matchup but I voted Hairsanity!

    Lin’s due for a breakout one of these days

  • sws94

    Unbelievable that a coach wouldn’t have these 2 on the court whenever possible. Byron split them up time after time after time. Unbelievable.

  • orLinaryjoe

    What’s going on with Brent and Nathan G on twitter?

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    With both Zeller and Hawes, theoretically they can stretch the defense from 3 point arc to the rim. Lin can choose PnR, PnP or simply a drive to the rim. Why didn’t it work? It sure beats me. With Marvin Williams and Batum, the floor could rotate to both side and several 3 pointers can rotate for 3s, just theoretcially.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOL Not joining you on that. Stick to my hope on JLin:-)

  • webattorney

    Seems like Nathan was kinda rude. Nasty boy.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Best starting lineup: Kemba(1&2), Lin(1&2), Batum(3), Spycho T(4) and Jefferson(5).

    Sub: Robert(1), Lamb(2), William(3), Zeller(4) and Hawes(5).

    The rest are 3rd string.

    Time for speed.

  • cdblue10

    Agree on this line up.More dynamic on offense but can’t be overlook on Defense

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They got what they had. Robert and Lamb, if play well great if not Kemba and/Lin will one by one sub.

    This team does not need another scorer, Tyler is a everywhere man.

  • DX

    Why the Charlotte Hornets will make the playoffs
    http://swarmandsting.com/2015/11/09/charlotte-hornets-will-make-playoffs/

  • LW

    It’s normal now after you refreshed the server cache. Thanks!

  • LW

    I am using chrome. It’s normal now after mod refreshed the server cache.

  • Rick Johnson

    When it does that I just click on “recent comments” and you can usually find the latest thread.

  • hehe .. Trust me on this :]

  • LW

    When you look at hornets schedule page at http://www.nba.com/hornets/schedule
    You realize Lin was regularly one of the team leaders in preseason. But since the start of regular season, Lin has never been on the team leaders list. A big contrast!

  • steven ko
  • Maknusia

    @psalm234:disqus was there some issue on the site? I was having difficulties to get in last one hour

  • zxcvb

    No struggles. The Hornets are struggling to give him minutes.

  • Maknusia

    For god’s sake we have Jeremy Lin. JEREMY LIN, PEOPLE! Even though he’s not Stephen Curry, HE’S LIN-SANE!

  • zxcvb

    There’s nothing wrong with Lin’s shooting. He just needs more minutes. Reggie Jackson started 5-16 last game…and then hit 10 in a row. Even Curry misses 4-5 open shots in a row…and then gets hot again.

    If Lin doesn’t start getting 25-30mpg on this garbage offensive team, the Hornets are dead in the water. And until he does get those minutes, the blame is on the coaching/lineups. Even now Lin is tied for the team lead in Points-Per-Shot! When Lin gets 30mpg regularly and stinks it up, then I will join the haters in bashing him.

    Until then, nope. He’s doing all he can.

  • sws94

    Not a direct link but in Clifford’s practice comments for 11/9 you can clearly see Lin taking a bunch of 3 point shots. His form looks like the new form here.

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2015/11/07/1446920046415-151107-marvin.mov-102269#

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Here is the picture. I think everything is OK now.

    https://twitter.com/Librafree/status/663873899520593921

  • sport

    During preseason there were a few games where Lin got the most minutes now he gets the least.

  • zxcvb

    I like Marvin. He’s a great blue collar guy who knows where to be. He sets the best screens too. I’d play him at starting 4 and give Zeller a shot at starting C. I think Lamb and Hawes are dragging him down.

    I agree that Roberts should play more. No more Hairston period and Lamb’s minutes should go down a bit.

  • sport

    What would be considered Hairsanity? 30 points?

  • Dan Cohen

    well.. if lin doesn’t play with davis..there is no point. even if davis is on the team.
    you keep cement powder and water away from another , a concrete will never happen.

  • sport

    Selfish is more like it, most bigs don’t want to set screens so the PG can score. Smart ones like Ed Davis knows PnR and set screens for PG creates opportunities for both.

  • hm, nothing that I’m aware of.
    But I just reenabled the cache plugin to clear server cache which might took some time to refresh global cache. I probably shouldn’t do it too often

  • zxcvb

    I would predict Hairsanity every game if Lin got to start and play 34mpg. But he might have 17m next game. Or 30. Or 22. It’s impossible for anyone to beast with crazy erratic minutes and constantly changing lineups. Clifford has already contradicted himself about 10 times this season.

  • Joe what do you know

    Wow…. Wolves are eating the Hawks alive…. Devouring…. They have so many young talents starting to blossom….

  • Really? I’m hoping for a triple OT then 🙂

  • oh wow 72-42 at half time?
    will be a tough game tomorrow if their legs are still fresh

  • CJSHYY

    Thanks God, tomorrow’s their B2B. Why they play so well today?

  • zxcvb

    Hawks aren’t that good. They’d finish 7-8th in the West. Clifford/Cho gave them 2 free wins with awful lineups.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Road trip against Mavs, Spurs and Wolves, short but very good chance for 2-1.

  • sport

    Hornets wanted Ed Davis too. Remember Lin couldn’t say who it was but that Hornets wanted a player who chose another team.

  • Joe what do you know

    The young ones might still be fresh. Serious most of their perimeter players seems to be threats. Wiggins can shoot, have a nice finishing touch, quick and atheletic. KMart is insane from outside and still nimble for his age. Rubio has improved his shooting and his dribbling is on par with Kemba, can change direction at ease.
    Towns is just a monster, although still a bit raw, he has nice finishing touch that none of the Hornets bigs have…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s his left ear and I’m CREAMING : UNLEASH LIN.

  • Joe what do you know

    I hope so too. But looking at the Wolves ripping the Hawks apart just send a chill up my spine…

  • leeda harun

    wolves looking good this year

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hornets blew out Bulls but next game they beat OKC, never know.

  • leeda harun

    lin always looks okay in practice…during game time that worries me

  • Maknusia

    ok…thanks…I think some other members here had similar experience as well..couple of messages below

  • Joe what do you know

    (Disclaimer: this is a joke, no offense intended)
    Cos they didn’t flip…

  • leeda harun

    is it because of Lin is only for 1 year that the FO want to invest on other players on the team?

  • sws94

    Yes. Lin has changed since preseason. His start against Miami, first game, not as much. Is it because Cliff said the guards were over-dribbling. I think it is possible. He’s right, Lin needs to probe. He also needs to be counted on to facilitate and it seems Batum has been doing it more since regular season. Lin hasn’t figured out how to give everything coach wants so maybe Cliff should just tell Lin to play freer and do what the situation demands. It’s still a time of learning the team, teammates, and when he should just say I’m going for it. He kind of did that in the Spurs game by drawing a lot of fouls.

  • They are also inspired to play in memory of Flip Saunders.
    They’ll be dangerous now

  • Joe what do you know

    I really think Wiggins will whip Batum’s butt….

  • grover chang

    I like how Coach Clifford praised his assistant coach, Coach Silas. He is a secure man.

  • Joe what do you know

    I think the key to winning against the Wolves would be how good the Hornets offence would be, not how good their D is. Wolves pack some serious firepower. Their perimeter D though, is something that can be exploited…

  • Tommy

    Lin is not a star
    its okay lol

  • Hawks making a run 81-91 now

  • sws94

    Hawks cut it down to 9 now.

  • Joe what do you know

    I think I saw someone claimed that Hawks aren’t good and is a 7-8th seed team??? Lol….

  • they’re legit with 7-1 record
    Teague/Schroder is dangerous

  • Joe what do you know

    I think that proved that Rubio is their engine on offence. Levine isn’t as good a playmaker as Ricky. KMart himself can’t make miracle happen…

  • Tommy

    Bazermore is crazy! 5steals!
    so versatile!

  • Joe what do you know

    ATL team D in the 3rd Q is crazy… A bit like what they did against the Hornets. Felt like they just flicked a switch…

  • Maknusia

    Jeremy Lin

    “The Dragon” was and remains a dynamic playmaker in today’s NBA. For the Hornets, Lin is a playmaking combo guard who brings creativity, slashing, passing, energy and many other aspects off the bench. His amazing skill is such a tough matchup for opposing players that it’s almost impossible to plan for. If his shot isn’t falling then he drives and kicks the ball out, creating looks for his teammates. Also, his offense and defense has improved to the point that he’s more of a challenge than a liability. Lin has played so well that he, as well as Lamb, have often been in conversation amongst fans to be considered in the starting line-up.

    http://swarmandsting.com/2015/11/08/charlotte-hornets-role-players-key-success/

  • kauaiblue

    What?

  • Tommy

    He should play more minutes hes better than Schroder

  • kauaiblue

    Hope so! Dont like batum… hes playing selfish hero… worst of all, hes ignoring our boy!

  • leeda harun

    the hornets media is really good promoting lin but their FO not so high on lin.

  • Maknusia

    what? is what? 🙂

  • kauaiblue

    Not convinced… not until clifford unleashes him!

  • kauaiblue

    Lol… not u… seems like Hornets propaganda machine rolling… hyping our boy but not staying true to form on the court…

  • occupatio

    crazy atl/min game

  • 109-107 MIN leading ATL with 2 min left

    Hoping for an OT

  • Wiggins is very good

  • Joe what do you know

    Don’t worry. If Batum still plays hero ball and slack off on D, Wigs will make him pay…

  • occupatio

    this is ridiculous. they dont even run plays, but just give ball to wiggins haha

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. Wiggins plays lots of min today….

  • Joe what do you know

    OMG!!!! Wiggins for MVP please!! Harden you can watch and learn.

  • Joe what do you know

    I have to say. Ricky is a snake. Good at slipping away from unfavourable foul calls… Lots of smart little cunning moves

  • Dorothy

    I feel it is more like they do not value Lin bball skills much, but value his fan base, so CHA wants to have their cake and eat it too. They think as long as they keep promoting Lin off the court, we will be happy LOL

  • Hawks comeback run fell short. 107-117
    3s are all short due to tired legs

    Wiggins scored 33 pts in 38 min. Hope emotional win will carry to a letdown tomorrow.
    And Hornets should run all game long

  • Joe what do you know

    I’m curious who on the Hornets roster can guard Wiggins…

  • golfhacker

    Want to see how many went in!

  • Tommy

    PJ Hairston duhhh

  • Joe what do you know

    Lol. PeeJ who??

  • james brown

    well, it seems everybody wants Jeremy to hit his shots immediately , including the hornets thats why they are just giving him 20 minutes to have his 20 points??? while other players needs to grow and the coach’s patience is helping them gain their confidence….BUT JLIN needs to produce, otherwise he will be given no time in court or if the price is right, a Trade to benefit the team. (sort of my craziest observation right now for all the read i got from here and elsewhere) , which is crazy!!!)LOL!
    as much as Lin need to settle, so as we who are following JLIN… we NEED TO SETTLE too, for its is so early in the season and were not even scratching the outer paint of the car (as a matter of speaking)!

  • james brown

    “the NOT EXtended contract player” duhhh..LOL!

  • JLin is feelin’ good .. about his rap skills LOL
    Good sign.

    Happy Lin translates to Hairsanity!
    Last call for the poll!

    https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/663897386457133056

  • CJSHYY

    I guess Batum will be on the assignment. It’s not going to be easy. Hope w B2B Wiggins will be tired tomorrow.

  • CJSHYY

    I think so. I guess he & coach are OK now hope no more again.

  • leeda harun

    to early to tell..we will find out tomorrow.

  • leeda harun

    I am happy when he is happy but his fans are frustated right now and some already giving up on him 🙁

  • Maknusia

    Going Once……

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I read that…. Well, I really hope Lin can stop preaching his team ball theory now bc as long as he’s not #1 guy in the team, it’s not going to work.

  • This is unbelievable. Teague got away with punching Bjelica w/o foul .. with refs looking at him

    https://twitter.com/AndrewDBailey/status/663917387532627968

  • I’m not sure why they’re giving up?
    Too tired waiting for Linsanity after 6 games, I guess

  • Dorothy

    This is ridiculous. Someone should send this footage to NBA.

  • CJSHYY
  • kauaiblue

    Wigs?

  • kauaiblue

    What a low class person… and nba is crooked… hope that ref gets fined and suspended if not terminated!

  • Dorothy

    I think it is too tired at 1) NBA politics and 2) roller coasting with Lin

  • TTNN

    yeah, I have to go back to beginning 3 times to finish this video when I was looking at it, always get distracted by trying to figure out whether Lin’s shot went in or not, and realized I totally missed what coach was talking about……

  • Tommy

    the first first rounder of that year to not do so LOL

  • Brent Yen

    He will be fined

  • CJSHYY

    It’s frustrating bc just keep repeating the same story again & again….

  • it’s unfortunate.
    TBH I’d give it more time since it takes 20-25 games to see the clear roles.

    I remember feeling incredulous in Game 20 vs BOS when BScott unfairly benching JLin in Q4 after being hot in Q3. Next game Lin & Boozer were benched. It had Kobe’s signature all over it

  • Dorothy

    I know, if one day I stop watching Lin, it will not be that I loose faith on Lin, it will be I give up on NBA

  • orLinaryjoe

    Not trying to convince you of anything,lol. Take in as data. Latest quote from Lin. If he is happy, would like him to break out in his limited PT. He is human.

  • Yascar

    That’s too bad. Jeremy isn’t giving up so why should we? Whatever frustration we are feeling, it can’t be half as bad as it is for Jeremy, who has to live through everything we’re talking about.

  • JoeTeam

    ok, since Luke >>> or = Kerr so far, then that means the team is really led by team Steph and everybody buying in. That means if JLin is right, and the team force is strong, they’ll do well. Let’s see of FO will muddle that up. Hope it’s a team game this year. That’s it, FO sometimes don’t let the players do their job.

  • JoeTeam

    can’t see it from that side.

  • JoeTeam

    why give up? His numbers are pretty good so far just need more PT and that will come as the season progresses and it gets harder for the team to perform except with the veterans who are healthy.

  • sws94

    I’m not feeling this frustration. It’s only 6 games. I can’t feel frustrated after 6 games. I think this team needs Lin, the talent level on this team needs him and it is just a matter of time before his shots start falling, he feels more comfortable, he plays loose and free and has a good game where they don’t win it without him. From there on, he can start playing mostly good games and have some really good ones in-between.

  • sws94

    He’s going to get more than 20 minutes. Lin was getting to the FT line against San Antonio. There’s really only 1 game when he didn’t get to the FT line a lot.

    Lin’s production needs to be in terms of organizing the 2nd unit. I think if there’s any slight disappointment Clifford has with Lin is that he hasn’t produced as much as a playmaker as he would like him to. I don’t think Clifford is one bit worried about Lin’s ability to score. The other thing Clifford would like is solid defense from him. Look at how he got on Al when Al didn’t do something in a game that Al scored over 30.

    Lin has had 2 fouls in the first half I think the last 3 days. For some reason, Clifford takes him out when he has 2 fouls in the first half.

  • JJ Hui

    I would wait till 20-25 games and now too early to worry and speculating is not good for our health! I dont want to get wrinkles for this! Lol!

  • Sundown

    Some fans are living too vicariously through Lin. That fan on RealGM made it clear he felt he had always been weak as a Taiwanese American and he wanted Lin to act, not just strongly but violently in a manner the poster had always secretly wished he had.

    We’ve all got our private issues but that’s over the line and better addressed thru counseling than flame wars on a team forum.

  • sport

    Same bias and racism keeping Lin from not being a starter even though when given the rightful position, system and 32 minutes per game he can produce star numbers.

  • your son’s voltaire

    good article but i don’t understand how Lamb is given a free ride with his horrific defense

  • sport

    Yes you are spot on! He’s gotta stop preaching that team ball crap when he’s not #1 guy of the team. Lin needs to prove he’s a star through his scoring and getting that max contract.

  • sws94

    Exactly. That’s too much. That will make people on any forum very uncomfortable.

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly. If you are not #1 guy in the team, there’s always someone to stop your plan. Coach & GM will favor him over you. That’s why we always see one good game from Lin then bad games….repeat…. smh!

  • Joe what do you know

    Wiggins~~~

  • Yascar

    Yikes that’s scary.

  • Maknusia

    LOL…interesting comments there by ESPN POwer Ranking

  • guest

    That’s racist and uncalled for. MOD, can you please delete this post that violates the site’s rule.

    In fact your the other post that you shouted and acted rudely to dis a fan here also violated the site’s rule. That post should be deleted too.

  • guest

    MOD, acbc’s reply to you is racist and uncalled for. MOD, can you please delete this post that violates the site’s rule.

    In fact your the other post that you shouted and acted rudely to dis a fan here also violated the site’s rule. That post should be deleted too.

  • guest

    That’s racist and uncalled for. MOD, can you please delete this post that violates the site’s rule.

    In fact your the other post that you shouted and acted rudely to dis a fan here also violated the site’s rule. That post should be deleted too.

  • LinLinLin

    Almost everyone here says Hornets’ best game thus far is the Bulls game and the game was won with the help of another coach. Since Hornets coaching staff needs help to game plan against the Bulls and most likely other stronger teams(Mavs is on tanking mode, so a win from playing against them didn’t need much efforts) , why not the team just adopt similar game plan to stop the losing streak?

  • spiderman

    who’s the dumb ref just watching?

  • PETE B

    RIP
    Linsanity
    Feb 4, 2012 – Nov 7 2015

    Done in by a Swarm of Hornets

  • PETE B

    you guys ever feel the hatred Teague has for Lin

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I predicted that Hornets would lose big to the Minnesota Timberwolves because they have have deviated from their preseason plan to seek early wins in a tough schedule. I’m still standing fast in my prediction. The Hornets lost totally five points in a double header against Atlanta Hawks. They simply switched back to their old offense. So much for Clifford’s statement about Jefferson and their offense for their season. The development of their bench unit suddenly experienced difficulty. They would pay a heavy price for this when they start playing with the Timberwolves the first time this season.

    The next game would be the judgment day for the FO who could wait to make the extension of Jeremy Lamb for the $21M contract. This is also the contract year for GM Chao. He had extended the contract of MKG, which was certainly a disaster because MKG immediately got injured and wouldn’t be playing for 6 months. Now the quick extension of Lamb is changing the scenario of the Hornets 2nd team. Before the signing, Lamb’s contribution is at large mediocre. Right after the signing, he almost turns himself into a legend on the court. Are you kidding me? What is the difference?

    If my prediction comes true, the alarm bell for Hornets this season would start to toll. What’s the plan for the Hornets? It all hinges on 1 person, Nic Batum and the the first unit. Then the new found star in the 2nd unit, Jeremy Lamb. The truth won’t be denied and our boy, Jeremy with his improvements would eventually help him overcome the reality of NBA. Pray that he would keep his head up.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I couldn’t wait to go there and have a look. ESPN has been unfair to Jeremy Lin by and large.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Teague was saved by the ref in their last match up.

  • GoodDayLA

    foreigner in NBA can get punched in face, no consequence. NBA often confused and think Lin is foreigner due to his fan base.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    This is the snap shot of ESPN NBA Rankings so far.

  • GoodDayLA

    a guy who will get promoted

  • GoodDayLA

    they know. don’t care. just some no name foreigner nobody knows. Lin forengonr to NBA too.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Coach seems to be overseeing Lin but nba prefers to see practices of Lamb and Zeller instead.

  • GoodDayLA

    You are a sharp lady. Lin is stinking it up to make it easy on everyone. Sad. I don’t think it will get better.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Perhaps the same one when Lin made a clean steal and awarded 2 FTs to Teague. (Just a joke)

  • GoodDayLA

    You can only blame Lin if he stink here Charlotte. After all he chose them. We’ll see after 82 games.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I see why you’re so unwelcome here.

  • Maknusia

    lol…I think this is a wrong sense of propaganda… it has noting to do with as the player is a foreigner or not…there is no sport in the world with NO wrong calls, things happen, as long as they get it right, thereafter is what matters

  • Maknusia
  • GoodDayLA

    i notice foreigner get hit more. its true. Kobe use to pick on foreigner. Hit Manu & Marko in face and only hit foreigner in face. tactical.

    notice zeller bleed a lot? white american.

    Hawes bloody nose? White american.

    wally szerbiak jump kick in face.

    Lin asian. Get hit a lot and bleed.

    Just how NBA is. outsider going to get hit more.

  • Maknusia

    nah..bcoz you are have tuned your eyes to watch foreign origin players getting hit!

    Talking about face….here is a funny video

    https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/7BB347B7091269508986777251840_3070ba4942d.1.5.7543477715343101843.mp4?versionId=4ySEFRTzq.bOjSI4z8hDEd6zQQG6KQf4

  • LinLinLin

    May be the Hornets are trying to make Nick Batum the Rockets’ version of James Harden and that explains why Coach Clifford excuse Batum from playing defense and just focuses on offense. One thing the Hornets didn’t realise is that (as much as I don’t regard Harden a superstar as claimed by the league), Batum doesn’t have 1/2 of Harden’s SG talent.
    Just let Batum walks next season if he prefers Toronto Raptors, there are many more talents with whom Jeremy and Kemba can work well and be a formidable championship contenders.

  • Maknusia

    lol…dont think Hornets are trying to make Batum a cornerstone

  • Maknusia

    btw…it was a slap

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Batum is a good player. At this stage, there are people who offer more money to Batum than to Lin. This way of trashing Lin’s teammate is not a consensus here.
    I don’t even think you’re a Lin fan.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    That’s not what we Lin fans are here for. We have seen lots of injustice in the dealings with Lin; of course, to Lin fans too. People have tried to oversimplify the popularity of Lin.

    We have come here to support Lin because he’s an excellent role model in life. His story as an NBA player is part of American dreams.

    Of course Lin haters may come into lots of form. They have dissed not only Lin but Lin fans too and in various ways. But again, it comes back to the common sense; labels of this sort are libels.

    We have been rooting for a great person who has given lots of hard work to his dream to be an NBA players against lots of odds. We are mighty proud of his success so far. He has never failed to make progress through hard working. This’s a reason enough to for us to root for him, Jeremy Lin.

    Sorry, people like you don’t understand and probably will never since there are stereotypes to bind you from seeing the truth. So you invent things that is totally unrealistic. Supporters of Lin comes from all walks of life, origins and social background. In the social ladder, most of them are successful by their own right.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    There is another assistant coach called Steve Hetzel

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin is also made to play at a tempo which is much slower than before.

  • LinLinLin

    When did I trash Batum?
    KHuang says Batum is a Bust; many posters here trashed Batum for playing selfishly and ignored wide open Jeremy and you said nothing at all but choose to accuse of trashing Batum?
    I’m merely stating my opinion that if Hornets are trying to make Batum a cornerstone, he simply isn’t that player. I like Batum and was excited that Batum traded the Hornets during the offseasons but the fact remains that he is a good player but not good enough to dribble create for his teammates like Harden.
    I didnt say no other teams would offer Batum. All I emphasise is that if Batum chooses to leave Charlottee, just let him walks. What’s wrong with saying that?
    And I never used a word of scr_b but I read that you repeatedly use that word. Can I call you a LIn hater? No. So, please don’t act as if you’re the only LIn fan here.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Is Three Years, $21 Million Too Much For Jeremy Lamb?
    http://hoopshabit.com/2015/11/02/charlotte-hornets-three-years-21-million-much-jeremy-lamb/
    I’ll be very suspicious of the extension too.What is the FO trying to do?

  • LinLinLin

    Jeremy Lamb is a good player. He just needs time to develope and maybe play a bit less selfishly.
    There are many players got higher offer than him but if we compare him with Jeremy Lin, maybe it’s a bit too high but the market rate is as such. So I think it isn’t too high for a good player like him.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    You want to let Batum walk next season after 6 games in regular season; would you think it’s fair? You don’t need name calling to trash a player. It’s just like putting a player on the bench after only 6 minutes of mediocre performance. You jump to conclusion too fast.

  • LinLinLin

    I didn’t want him to walk.
    I want him to stay if possible but if he chooses to leave, just let him walk. That’s all I meant. peace out

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Did you read the article?

  • Rzo Vlade
  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If I were Batum, I wouldn’t think I could be happy to hear from you.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Only after 6 regular season games! He is put to play in a new position and a new team. He is traded to be here. He isn’t paid like a cornerstone and that is for sure. Whether he would play like a cornerstone is too early to tell.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    They even put him in the garbage time.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    That’s going to affect the team.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin did pass to the big men but only a few of them were finished well.

  • Maknusia

    NBA is a business..its reall hard to predict on the intention…personally…7 mil is reasonable

  • Maknusia

    I dont think the trashed Batum…

  • adele

    I have read and noticed that the reason why Lin went to hornets even wit a lower salary and a back up role is that he was promised to have sufficient minutes and close important games. Im not sure if he will accept being a 3rd string back up with less minutes than the back up before him. Then he is no more than a scrub or a rookie status in a non play off team in a small town and now treated that way. He is going into the lowest direction instead of up. We need a lot of prayers for this then.

  • Maknusia

    true enough

  • adele

    All I know is that its higher than Lin.And they are treating him as their future player. Not Lin. And Lins minutes are given to him.

  • adele

    He is a star to me. I dont know with everyone here but to me his talent is at par with all these stars in tje league if only given the chance. He wad given the chance once and we as fans are hungry for that 2nd chance.

  • adele

    Same here

  • adele

    But will always follow Lin in spiritual light than in the NBA light.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    How would teams prepare for Hornets?
    It’s easy. After signing of Lamb, teams know that Hornets has to go to him. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out whom they should stop once the bench check in. Also coach Clifford will have no choice but to check in Lamb early to play with the first unit. From now on, Lamb won’t be able to score at will because he will have defenders denying him the ball. Back to the old days of OKC. It would be a test of his courage which he hasn’t shown any during his career.

    Jeremy has his work cut out for him; simply a bench player. He won’t be given time to play with Kemba. Lamb will always be the team’s first choice to come in from the bench. Lin has to fight for his minutes with Hawes as his main assistant. If Hawes doesn’t deliver his offensive punch, Lin will have to carry the bench by himself. Just hope that Zeller will be more active rolling with him. Again, this is his only hope as I predicted before the training camp. Zeller is Lin’s partner in PnR because of his athleticism and mobility.

    Adding Lamb to Lin’s game doen’t help Lin at all because Lamb has played in different style of basketball. Lin + Lamb really aren’t as effective as Lin + Walker. The movement of the ball is going to be a problem too because Lamb is not as mobile. You might even see Lamb playing PG to make plays. Of course, he’s not up to it else he won’t be traded to Charlotte. Looking forward to a blown out next game by the Timberwolves unless could start his Hairsanity which I seriously doubt it; not because of Lin’s ability but because the restriction of plays on court. Coach Clifford will ask Lin to pass the ball to Lamb more. The ball movement will halt more than ever.

  • LinLinLin

    No worries, Mr Lae, I don’t intend to talk to him so he won’t hear from me… ;P

  • David Kim

    Rick Bonnell
    Rick Bonnell – Verified account ‏@rick_bonnell

    The @hornets bench averaging 40 points per game with two double-figure scorers: Jeremy Lamb (12 ppg.) and Jeremy Lin (11.7 ppg.)
    5:15 AM – 10 Nov 2015

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    For the team to succeed, either Zeller or Hawes has to be in double figure scoring from the bench. I even have doubts that Hornets will be able to make assists and ball movement in their game plan. There will be more ISO than ever. In that case the bench will not be as productive as the team needs.

  • Maknusia

    OK…gonna post some Stats todate

    PerGAME

  • Maknusia

    Advance Stat

  • Maknusia

    Per36

  • Maknusia

    Plus Minus

  • Maknusia

    @psalm234:disqus favorite color stat

    Overall Advance Stat

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If Batum fails to produce. Both Chao and Clifford are going to be in trouble. Perhaps the Hornets MJ will bring in new GM and coach after this season.

  • Maknusia

    Sorry…I know the image is kinda small…do click on it to view it bigger

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The only stats that I’m interested in is Lin’s minutes. He’s currently given less minutes than in Lakers and Rockets.
    I am at the point of giving up on Hornets being an ideal home for Lin.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    PFV’s advice is so true. The future of Lin really depends on him making his jumpers. That will make him more unstoppable. We all know Lin can pass, can drive and all he needs is a jumper with high accuracy to survive in the league. So true Lin, you have to be able to score yourself before you can make plays for others to score.

  • adele

    Im trying to be patient. But im throwing this question to the people behind this forum: how long are we going to understand the coaching staff and FO’s treatment to Lin? 20 games? 50? This whole season? We are not blind and most people said that Linsanity is a short stint to showcase Lins talent and ability. Are we immune already?

  • adele

    Please post how many shot attempts each player makes. Because that will tell you who is allowed to make that many shots in a game and who is being trusted and the star of the team. Also post the last 3 games on how many minutes played each player is having on this team.

  • Maknusia

    so what do you propose?

  • Maknusia

    isnt it in the above picture…under the column FGA…or did I misunderstood?

  • adele

    I’m gathering information. That’s why I’m throwing that question. I commend the people behind this forum and the sincere and true Lin fans for looking out for Lin’s stats and calling out the NBA for missed stats. Also for people looking out for other some people here who are “mainstays” on this forum. Some people here have heart and also friendly. It’s a nice gathering of Lin-friends and fans. It’s a healthy forum to speak on your mind (of course with moderation, I understand that 🙂 )

  • adele

    Nothing to propose. Just continue to speak my mind, observation and showing my support in my own way for Lin. All I want to spread out is to support him not just his basketball life but him as a person and I hope that most of us will continue to support him even if he is treated as a scrub in the NBA.

  • adele

    Sorry my bad. It’s too small.

  • adele

    I was looking on the first chart. The second chart is clearer.

  • PETE B

    He needs to go up to Clifford man to man and say , Let me play my game and I’ll lead the Offense

  • Sir Charles

    Then Lin has to back it up and show he can be da man. Demand attention and demand the ball. Call players out and show his swag. Then produce. That’s what I wanna see from Lin…

  • Weifang

    I don’t think we need more games to understand FO’s treatment. It’s so obvious and very consistent, not even debatable. Lin is not in their future plan for now, period. I still believe this could change later I think depends on Lin’s performance.

    But so far there is nothing new in terms of bizness. Lin was never promised to start or to be important, and Lin never promised Hornets to stay with Hornets. The contract says it all. For coaching, I will wait a little more, but I won’t expect much to change so far, I have lots questions for coaching so far… but that’s not the most important issue anyway.

    I almost believe that Clifford will get a simple Excel spreadsheet with pie chart on play minutes for each player every week from their FO.

  • John Focker

    T-Wolves beat the Hawks in the first game of the back-to-back (away), hope they’re exhausted after having to fly back to Minny right after the game… 🙂

  • PETE B

    Actually, I meant Lin needs to go up to Clifford man to man and say , Let me play MY GAME for the NEXT 5 GAMES and I’ll lead the Offense

  • NONONO

    So far, Lin’s minutes can NOT convince me either MJ or Clifford treat him as top 6 players in the team. What even worse is that the minutes are getting less and less. You would only see his minutes go up if Hornets in trouble. It that is true (at least it is true in the past 6 games), how many Lin fans would cheer up for Hornets?

  • NONONO

    I wouldn’t !

  • Weifang

    haha, you started talking to yourself…

  • Weifang

    You know, I am sometimes crazy enough to think they give Lin more minutes at the beginning to lure subscriptions. LOL

  • DX

    Agreed. Be patient. It’s not that bad for Lin now and Lin haven’t shown his best.

  • NONONO

    At least, it worked for me. So cheap!

  • heart

    Let’s don’t ‘listen’ to what men (Clifford/FO) say, but ‘watch’ what they (Clifford/FO) do. So far, their words don’t match their actions now. At least it’s becoming more apparent each day. If their current actions continue, then their motive is very different from what they ‘told’ or ‘promised’ Lin.

  • Nice! Great minds think in colors 🙂

    I’m surprised Lin USG% is the highest? Plus good AST%, good ORtg, bad TO%
    TS% is good. JLamb’s TS% is #1 but he’s been cooling off so JLin can catch up soon IMO

  • DX

    Charlotte Hornets: Why Missing The Playoffs Might Be Okay
    http://swarmandsting.com?p=38804

  • Congrats! You have a knack of getting quoted here and there 😀
    Keep up the great work!

  • Tommy

    After he got scouted he hasnt been able to recreate what he did in NY
    also you can say that about many players in the NBA
    a lot of them can be good if given the chance but they wont be because there are only so many chances to go around Lin is one of them I believe
    So I dont see it as him being mistreated this is the NBA
    some players are special they can be great I dont think Lin’s talent level is up there but he can be a good starter if given the chance to be first option then again a team with Lin as their first option probably wont go far i dont think

  • Tommy

    I cant care less about the hornets only want Lin to do well
    and MJ is the owner he does not determine how many mins Lin plays
    its all clifford

  • DX

    Right on, as Lin fan only want Lin do well . But Cliff also put himself 1st . He is working on his contract too. If his job loss, do you think he will care about Lin?

  • cdblue10

    I’m patiently waiting for his break out game.I hope that’s going be tonight.Hornets hasn’t showed any full support yet on his game.I hope Clifford fulfill his promised to play him w/in his strength,being 8th-9th rotational player won’t cut it all.

  • webattorney

    Realistically, the best (as in the max) we can expect from Lin is 13/4.5 assists in 25 minutes this season.

  • sws94

    The two big acquisitions for the Hornets are Batum and Lin. Not Lamb and Hawes. Regardless of Lamb’s contract signing, Lin and Batum are the two big acquisitions for THIS season. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves about anything else. The team, with these two guys, want big contributions from both.

  • adele

    Clifford couldn’t care less.

  • Al

    I do not think it is a good idea, talk is cheap. promises could be altered, plans and tactics are constantly changing.Lin needs to produce as much as possible every time he is on the court. he has to play with urgency and proof that he is a good player.

  • adele

    Do you think Lin is that demanding of a person?

  • adele

    Since it’s still Lin’s team, I will still cheer. But the faith and trust in the coaching staff and the FO is melting away.

  • sws94

    Has Lin played very well yet? A lot has to do with how well someone performs, not their potential or skill level. Lin puts up an 8 for 13, goes 7 for 8 at the line, outplays whoever he is guarding, has no more than 3 TOs and makes big baskets at critical points of the game, then does he give them any other choice? He can’t do this every day but if he gets into a good groove and strings together a few good games or 4 out of 6 good games, he’ll be fine.

  • sws94

    How has Lin played the first 6 games?

  • adele

    Somehow I question MJ saying that the big acquisition is Lin. I think that’s for marketing purposes only. Not in the basketball sense. The minutes are getting lesser. During the blow-out in Dallas, Lin was only given 17 minutes but the starters are given 27 minutes and allowed to stay on the game. Their website now says vote for Kemba Walker for all-star. So obvious.

  • Weifang

    Hmm, I think Clifford is just another employee to follow the order from his boss. Even Lin gets 40pts tonight, nothing will change soon, at least this data model works so well for Lin’s career over the past seasons.
    I even think Cliffford is instructed to control Lin’s PPG as part of their biz plan. At least in the past, there is no coincidence when Lin tweets out some Bible verse about courage (surrender this time).

  • DX

    Yes, Cliff care about Lin only Lin can save his butt. He won’t take any risk only for fulfill his promise. There is no promise on court.

  • adele

    Have you watched the games? He played well in the first 3 games with less minutes. How can he get those points if he is not in the court? How can we expect a break out game if given only back-up minutes and back-up role?

  • adele

    He was very efficient in the first 3 games until they signed Lamb and they rationed his minutes and role in the game. It’s quite sad.

  • sws94

    You’re looking at MJ and Clifford but are you looking at LIn? If you have a team, has Lin really shown any chemistry with any of them? Has Lin shot well? Has he defended well? Has he played smart? Does he follow the game plan defensively that Clifford has put in place? Has he implemented what Clifford and the coaching staff talked about reviewing film? Some of this stuff is unknown but we know he hasn’t shot well, he played absolutely awful defense in the last game, but we know he is a hard worker. But we don’t know if he’s doing things that Clifford has asked him not to do.

    Clifford coaches a team of 10 main guys. The guys that perform best are the guys that play. Lin has not had as good a game as AL or Kemba yet, or as good as he has had in most of his preseason games. So LIn has played some less minutes than we like. Do we get emotional or do we look at the details. 2 of the games were blowouts. 1 of the games he was in when the worst run against the team happen and that was the last game against the Spurs.

    I ask people to look at what Lin is doing and to consider all that a coach has to consider. This isn’t Byron Scott where LIn played well and he sat anyway. If anything, Clifford has played LIn even when he played poorly, games 2 and 3, to finish the games. Games 4 and 5 were Hornet blowouts. Game 6 turned into a Spurs blowout and Lin was in when the big Spurs run happened. I see no reason to moan about Lin’s minutes, he’s not producing.

    When Lin produces and Clifford benches him, then we are justified to complain about his minutes. But as of now, he’s not performing up to what he’s capable of doing. He’s still looked upon as someone who can perform way better and probably Cho, MJ and Clifford thinks he will. It’s just us being impatient and jumping to all types of conclusions and making adversaries out of everyone else without considering Lin’s contributions to a team effort and impact when he’s on the court that is making for all of this everyone is against Lin talk. I don’t see it. I don’t see anyone against Lin.

  • DX

    Well said.

  • sws94

    He didn’t play that well in the 2nd and 3rd games. He played well enough in the first game and in the Chicago games. He made some big shots in the 2nd game, but up to that point he wasn’t playing that well. You have to look at the entire team and who is producing and looking confident and showing themselves as a leader on the court and asking, who gives us the best chance to win the game.

    I’m not in total agreement with Lin’s rotation. I think he should come in the game much earlier and play more with Kemba. But Clifford tried that in the San Antonio game and it didn’t have good results.

    I think you are way too focused on his minutes after a measly 6 games and coming to the conclusion that someone else is favored over Lin in minutes. I don’t think so. Yes, Lamb should be developed but Lin has a more complete game. But Lin isn’t playing his more complete game well enough so far to get the minutes. He’ll have a breakout game and get the minutes when his contributions on the court are absolutely necessary to help the Charlotte team win a basketball game.

    The Coach’s job is to put the guys on the court to win the game. Not to make ANY fan base happy.

  • sws94

    I hope LIn knows that almost everyone takes care of themselves first. And that probably includes D’Antoni if he ever coached Lin again. Lin needs to impose his will on the team for his sake just as much as for the team’s. NBA is a competitive, almost cut-throat league and although Lin may not like utilizing that part of himself, it’s there and it’s strong and he’ll have to to be in a position to play the biggest part he can on any team.

  • Tommy

    Do you think I care what Clifford cares about?

  • I see many of us are very concerned with JLin’s min.
    So I tried to look at Advanced Stats (TS%, ORtg, DRtg, GmSc) from BasketballReference to compare Game 1-6 performance of JLin, JLamb & Kemba. The numbers are color-coded (Green= Good, Red= Bad). See the chart in the bottom.

    Here’s my observation from this very small sample games:
    1. JLin hasn’t played his best like in preseason. Game 1-2 were decent but Game 3-6 TS% has dropped as he struggled a bit with shooting. His minutes reflected that.
    2. JLamb didn’t play much in Game 2 & 3 (14 & 15 min) but played a lot (25,24,23) in Game 4-6. He shot lights out in Game 4-5 but bombed in Game 6 (all RED)
    3. Kemba has been steady & getting better in TS% as you see more green. His defense DRtg has been consistently bad but he compensated a lot with his scoring/shooting

    My observation (not conclusion, since 6 games are not enough sample to establish hypothesis) is:
    Coach Clifford will give min to players who score very well to help win games

    As true JLin fans, I would encourage others to hope and support JLin to have the score-first mentality as he tries to find his role in this team because his playmaking probably won’t give him many minutes. Hornets see him as 1-yr rental to help them win but not a long-term piece (yet). It’s the hard truth in the NBA as the scorer’s league. Linsanity happened because he scored a lot of points so it’s definitely a success formula to live by.

    Bandwagon Lin fans would mock him when he struggles but true Lin fans will hope & extend support for him to be comfortable with being a 6th Man scorer.I think he just tried too hard to facilitate & lost focus that he needs to lead by scoring in the 2nd unit. His goal should be the 6th Man of the Year since that’s what the Hornets need for him this year plus that’s what will give him a lot of starting offers next year.

    Godspeed, Jeremy Lin!

  • cdblue10

    If he get his numbers,I’ll be happy…It means he will have a good offer and a better situation next year.If Hornets is not that team so be it.

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff is fighting for his job so not surprised at all. Hornets’ record is not good. #13 right now..

  • cdblue10

    If you’re talking about his productions as a 2mil player then he was actually over producing and he’ll be fine,but in the context of playing basketball as a proud basketball player and trying to get a good contract next year then it’s a different story.

  • DX

    Great analysis and observation. Stay calm and patient.

  • Rick Bonnel thinks the battle of bench will play important role tonight.
    Also 3P% team goal
    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/664138015795646464

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/664137300050210816

  • DX

    Yes, you are right. Even MDA, he started Lin since no more choice. After Linsanity, he still got fired. So no coach is Lin fan, they work for their job first not create Linsanity.

  • DX

    You need to care if you wonder why he gave Lin less mins.

  • sws94

    I don’t care one bit about whatever salary he’s settled on. I’m talking about Lin playing up to his capabilities. The answer is obvious. He hasn’t in the regular season so far.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Batum needs to guard Wiggins well tonight.

  • heart

    Especially, he used the word ‘surrender’ for his tweet indicating/implying that the current situation is tough for him. It’s apparent that something is not going right and it’s beyond his control.

  • sws94

    I agree. Score Lin. Let that open up your facilitation. That has been the formula for his most successful runs. Shoot the midrange shot, use the hesitation dribble and step back mid-range jumper. I also think stay out of unnecessary fouls, defend smarter.

  • cdblue10

    It’s difficult to play well if you’re 8th-9th rotational player,he needs to at least play almost a perfect game every time he’ll step on that floor.The window of creating mistakes are very slim and if you put any player on his situation,that player would also struggle.

  • adele

    I think you need to refresh your mind. Because when he was in Houston and Harden was injured, Lin was the PG and given the free reign during that time because Mchale wanted to win, Lin dropped 38 points and 7 assist to SA on 12/10/12 and 20 points and 11 assist to Chicago on 12/25/12. He was already scouted. If only some coach would trust and believe in him.

  • sws94

    I don’t think it matters that much. He gets time to play once he comes in. Foul trouble (2 fouls) has played a role in limiting his first-half minutes.

    I disagree with Clifford if Clifford is telling Lin not to dribble and probe. I also disagree with Clifford trying to make any more than Kemba and Lin the main facilitators and Batum the secondary one. Lamb shouldn’t be facilitating. Hawes shouldn’t dribble. The ball should go mainly through Lin when Kemba isn’t on the floor and if he has to dribble away until he probes and finds an opening in the offense, so be it. Lin started thinking since Game 2 and not just reading and reacting and I think Clifford told him something that doesn’t suit his game. That’s what I think some of the struggles are coming from.

  • adele

    He was given 30+ minutes on those games. If he will be given sufficient minutes, he will produce and be very efficient. Every player makes mistakes but he is not allowed to make mistakes by the coaches. If only….:( He is very smart too.

  • adele

    We have seen glimpses of Linsanity points when he was in Houston. He dropped 38 points and 7 assists to SA on 12/10/12 and on Christmas, 12/25/12 he dropped 20 points and 11 assists to Bulls. He was given 30+ minutes and allowed to play PG. But sad that Mchale and FO cut that and put Beverly as PG instead. Sigh.

  • cdblue10

    I think that’s one of the problem too,Clifford might be trying to call plays every position…And I see him camping a lot in the corner too,that’s stale the player mov’tand mostly his effectiveness as a player,I don’t know if that’s by design or he’s just doing that to give way for Batum.For Lamb and Hawes it’s very obvious that they shouldn’t be dribbling the ball by any means.

  • when JLin is the main playmaker and ball-handler, he can really produce.

    But in this situation, JLin would really need to embrace the 6th Man role very well by being the primary scoring threat first then set up his teammates in 2nd unit. He can’t think facilitate first since he won’t get many minutes.
    I think he knew that by being aggressive in Game 6 vs Spurs to score as soon as he’s in.
    Shooting should follow soon. He’s too good a shooter & hard-worker not to get rolling soon

  • adele

    I don’t understand. Are you saying that we have to evaluate Lin? Lin has been scouted and evaluated already. This is a Lin fan site. We are here to call out the people that doesn’t show trust and belief in the player like coaches and management. Every player makes mistakes but Lin has a short leash. Lin has been very productive given less minutes. Of course nobody is against Lin in a Lin forum. Otherwise your comment will be deleted or moderated.

  • sws94

    I really don’t like when he camps out in the corner. But the second unit is a mess. Batum does too much facilitating when Lin is in then Lamb tries to do some and even Hawes who really makes a mess of things. Lin’s style is dribble-penetration and dribble probing. If the ball whips around when he gets it back he still needs to make the passes that Batum is trying to make. Something needs to change.

  • heart

    Just thought about the similarities between McHale vs Clifford:

    1. McHale replaced Lin w/Bev in the starting line up for defense to conserve Harden’s energy for offense to build up his stats to becoming a ‘star’. Result: Achieved.

    2. Clifford installed Hairston instead of Lin in the starting line up for defense. He admitted in his interview to (free up Batum from having to defend the opponent’s best player). This move is for the purpose of conserving Batum’s energy to initiate the offense in hope to built up his stats to becoming a ‘star’, IMO. Result: To be determined.

  • adele

    For a Lin fan, the 6th Man role is quite hard to swallow. But given his minutes and limited role, then “surrender” as what Lin said in his tweet.

  • sws94

    What’s the job of people who put Lin on a team? Is he the team or part of the team? I/We know what Lin can do and they do too. They put Lin in a system and he usually has to try to fit his game into that system. I’m wondering if he has the right players. I hope he can work things out with Lamb, Batum and Zeller and Hawes will be replaced by Kaminsky. But Hawes will play for awhile. I actually think Lin’s best chemistry is with Marvin WIlliams and it’s good with Al Jefferson. But both of them are on the first unit.

  • sws94

    I can’t think I can begin to know what Lin meant when he quotes verses. I think if he’s 6th man he plays a big role. I think he has a chance to be a 28 minute player and sometimes get 30 plus minutes, close games, be in the OT lineup. It’s just, the circumstances and his overall play hasn’t been there yet. I think it can come. Of course, can’t say if it will or not because I’m not the coach.

  • adele

    Really? And why are they not winning a lot of games? Are you telling me that this coach is very smart then and Lin is not playing well according to the coach instructions?

  • sws94

    Lin played good on offense in the Spurs game. His shots didn’t fall. That will change. He didn’t play good on defense and he just happen to come in the game when the Spurs started to light it up from 3. They never recovered from that. But the approach to dribble/drive, score some, dish some, was the correct one IMO.

  • adele

    Of course. The bottom line is to win games. But that’s not what I’m seeing in this team. They are not winning games. I know its still early but let’s wait and see. Let’s resume this after 20 games.

  • yes.. absolutely.. He did great on offense to drive & get FTs repeatedly so refs will respect that
    Defense was his worst performance so he really needs to cover his man on 3pt line so he won’t get blamed

    let’s hope he really knows that he got to score to get PT & respect from refs.

  • adele

    You think Clifford is a smart coach?

  • it’s ok, this season Lin knew he would come in as a 6th Man since Kemba is the incumbent so it’s more like an audition to get starting PG offers next season.

    He just needs to make the most of his opportunities.

  • Tommy

    I dont wonder
    I know why
    and that logic doesnt even make sense
    I know why he did it doesnt mean i have to care what hes going through

  • sws94

    McHale sat Lin whole quarters. McHale threw Lin under the bus several times as he praised Beverly. Clifford tends to say we when talking about players messing up, tends to say good things about a lot of players including Lin when asked about them. He thinks highly of Batum, OK, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t speak highly of Lin. If he prefers Batum to others, so be it. Everyone has their preferences.

    I really think PJ starts because if he gets fouls, it’s no big deal. If LIn, Lamb or Batum are in foul trouble, it is. Especially Lin or Batum. Of course, Clifford wouldn’t say that but I think that’s a big part of the reason. Plus PJ is a big body to play bigger guards and there is enough offense on the 1st unit.

    Overall, Clifford is much smarter and a better offensive and defensive coach than McHale. He also interviews a lot better and just doesn’t say play harder, but actually gives strategies of why something works or doesn’t. All McHale said is ball got sticky, guys need to play harder. That’s kind of pathetic. There isn’t any real similarities between the two coaches IMO.

  • Tommy

    he was able to do that on several occasions but he also has shot 0 for 10 he also has number of low scoring high TO ratio games

  • sws94

    Hope so. Don’t know about the refs. I saw some plays on Wiggins yesterday that were ridiculous in not being called and just because Wiggins is a 2nd year guy. The refs don’t regard Lin too highly, but if he is repeatedly aggressive he’s more apt do get calls.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Most if not all here are rooting for JLin to succeed. Unfortunately the way we see it very differently. Some are willing to call it as we see it by coach action, treatment, game planning, rotation, role, mins etc….others are the opposite and willing to find reasons, excuses to justify all that. If you follow Lin long enough you should know exactly what type of player he is and what he needs in order to play well. He can play a 2 but he’s not a 2, he’s a 1 point guard. He needs the ball, uptempo game, space to play with success. BUT most importantly he needs MINUTES. NO NBA PLAYER CAN GET HIMSELF GOING IN 16 OR 18 MIN night-in night-out especially the one with a big target on his back. What happened to his Mr. 4Q nick name? We’ve always believed and agued that he’s a starter and now we’re ready to settle and hope for 6th man already?

    No one can win 6th man if only play 20 mpg and not a closer in most games. Lin is the last substitute off the bench that’s why it’s very hard for him to average 25 mpg. And I haven’t not even mentioned his new role (corner standby) and watching to be benched by coach if making mistake or a bad play. This is not different with McHale with a difference that Clifford hasn’t trashed his player in front of the press…yet.

    Sure it’s only 6 games into the season and small sample to jump to any conclusion but it’s the pattern of what’s going on to Lin’s role is so clear. You’re either see it or deny to see it.

    Lin is now playing with a shackle and the only person can unlock that is Clifford. The sooner he acknowledges that the better for the team but to do that he needs to ef the politic of playing well with its only inner circle.

    Clifford’s vision is very clear, he needs Jeremy but not Jeremy carrying the team. He wants the Jeremy of contribution within his needs to win with their stars and future stars. One year $2 mil is very easy to get rid off. Squeeze as much juice out of Jeremy as you can then bench it or trade it.

  • Tommy

    thats the NBA, not everyone is allowed to make mistakes all they want
    its all up to the coach or the team

  • I think he had a little disappointment from not being rewarded from being a playmaker & his teammates resorted to shoot-first & not stick to team-ball. But he has to establish his scoring first then when covered, dish to teammates. NBA can be cruel

  • yes.. refs mindset work that way.. if a guy gets fouled repeatedly & shot well, next time he shoots he’ll get the benefit of the doubt

  • sws94

    There’s disappointment when he tweets verses. But I can’t really interpret exactly what it is. What you say is quite plausible.

  • adele

    The coach and the FO has to trust and believe in the player first. In Linsanity, the players around Lin buys into his style of play because of urgency and the coach really trusted him. That’s what Lin needs. A coach who understands, trust and believes in him. That’s what Lin thought when he accepted a small pay in a non-play off team in the eastern conference. It’s because he thought that the “coach” believes in him.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Name a team that they won’t start their best player just because they worry he might get foul? Nonsense.

  • Tommy

    McHale played Lin more mins
    and when he played well he stayed on the court
    when team was losing, Lin was put in
    Clifford…under 20mins no matter what

  • sws94

    Lin is not the team’s best player. Kemba or Al Jefferson is. Lin was brought in to play off of the bench with a chance to be a 6th man that closes games. He’s the starter if Kemba can’t play at PG.

  • heart

    One thing I agree w/you that Cliff so has not bad mouth Lin, so far. We’ll see if they continue losing big. I’ll give him credit when credit is due.

  • sws94

    McHale would never bring Lin in in the 4th after 3 consecutive turnovers in the 3rd unless he absolutely had to. Clifford chose to do that and was rewarded with Lin hitting big 3 pointers. These guys aren’t the same. If you want to believe so, I won’t try to change your mind. We’ll disagree. I don’t see any similarities between the two and I want to give Clifford a chance before he makes me feel differently. 6 games, especially with 3 blowouts, is not enough games to do so.

  • adele

    You nailed it. Thank you!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You wrote: I really think PJ starts because if he gets fouls, it’s no big deal.

    I was comparing to PJ not Kemba.

    Plus Kemba is the team PG and franchise player and he must start but better than Lin?

  • DaBoss

    No – Hornets already have their cornerstone, Kemba. Doubt that will change any time soon.

  • Tommy

    I never said they were similimar
    2 are totally different coaches
    McHale let Lin play more
    when hes good, he plays when hes not hes gonna sit
    clifford seems to cap Lin at around 20mins
    McHale probably values Lin more

  • adele

    Do you believe in Lin by the way? It seems like in your eyes its Lin’s fault that he is not given the minutes.

  • adele

    to sws94: you believe that Kemba is better than Lin? are you really a Lin fan or a Hornets fan?

  • Tommy

    I dont think hes a very good coach
    too stubborn
    his offense is subpar

  • sws94

    He’s playing better than Lin. Overall I think Lin has better court vision and defense. They both can score in a variety of ways. Kemba uses more of his tools. He uses the hesitation dribble better than Lin. His handles are way better. He doesn’t pass anywhere near as well, in fact he tends to turn it over on passes. He doesn’t have Lin’s size and strength. But he has chemistry with Al and he plays with a lot of confidence. He isn’t hesitant where Lin is at times and I think too often since the regular season begun. Both are really good players when their shots are falling.

    My point about fouls is if Lin plays from the beginning of the game and plays the tough 2 guard, he can get in foul trouble. If he comes in later, there’s less chance of it. And our position isn’t strong for him starting now. He’s just not playing up to a starter’s level AND he’s been getting to fouls in the first half of the last 3 games. Clifford’s point about Batum makes sense. You don’t have to agree with it but it makes sense.

  • Acbc

    I agree with the sentiment that true Lin fans should be supportative of Lin and trust him to sort out what needs to be done for his own personal goals. To be honest, I don’t even know if Lin is okay with being 6th man. Lin is definately aiming much higher.

    The “surrender” verse is less about his own ambitions than about being faithful and placing his destiny into his God’s hands. This verse is perhaps one of the most difficult tasks for Christians. Lin wants all the things we all want and more. All of us want things, a raise, a advancement, a new career, a pretty wife…wants and desires get in the way of the true purpose of being a good Christian. Most non Christians don’t really understand this verse very well because they don’t value the relationship between Lin and his God.

    My nephew and his wife tried to have children for many years. Due to an atheistic injury in her teens, she was told by multiple specialists that she would not be able to have a baby. After many years of prayers and medical expenses, they finally “surrendered” to the will of God. They prayed and finally accepted that if it was the will of God to not have a child, they gladly accept His will. They then felt the release of the weight of years of self imposed wants and desires and went on a short vacation. Miraculously, they found out soon after that she was pregnant and now have a beautiful boy.

    Lin is ultra competitive, that’s the nature of being elite. If you think you’re frustrations are hard on you, it’s 1000xs that for Lin. I feel for Lin because hes done everything possible to be lead a team, but he keeps getting past up. That verse pretty much applies to all true Lin fans too. “Surrender” applies to us as well to have faith and trust in Lin to do what he needs to do his best. Like Khaung keeps saying, learn to appreciate Lin for every he does instead measuring him against other stars who’ve been put on the ladder to succeed while Lin keeps fighting to even put one foot on that ladder.

    We need to have faith and trust in Lin to keep working hard on his game and be ready for whatever is God’s will for him.

  • sws94

    It’s not Lin’s fault or not and believing in someone doesn’t mean you don’t examine how they are performing honestly. Because Lin doesn’t hit shots is not Clifford’s fault. Because Lin is frequently out of position in defensive assignments is not Clifford’s fault. Because the 2nd unit is disorganized is Clifford’s fault, not bringing Lin in earlier and getting him on the floor with Kemba to develop chemistry is up to Clifford to fix. Some things fall on Lin’s shoulders, others on Clifford’s. Both need to improve.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I still don’t get why Lin didn’t play more min after game 3? Cliff do want Lin to help him win but why cut his playing time so short?

  • sws94

    Too few games to determine that. McHale is a much, much larger sample size.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Sound to me that you agree they both are good at different ways. BUT if Lin had the freedom and free of politic like Kemba has, Lin is the top 5 PG in this league.

    You might not know but when starter get into foul early, they send in backup. Not the other way around.

  • While I understand Clifford’s desire to win, one criticism that I have with Clifford so far is he didn’t consistently establish JLin as the main playmaker for the 2nd unit. JLin was the PG in Game 1-3 but when trapping happens & JLin struggled in shooting, he gave up too son.

    @disqus_Qw9GaYTag0:disqus pointed out Batum played as playmaker with 2nd unit in last 2 games in Q1 & Q3. Lamb had the hot hands in GAme 4-5 & was allowed to playmake but he bombed in Game 6
    I wish Clifford would trust Lin’s playmaking some more even when Lin struggled with his shooting

    Ideally:
    1. Lin’s shooting will be back & he can score even when the PnR doesn’t work since his teammates don’t make shots or didn’t roll.
    2. Clifford would establish order for 2nd unit that JLin will be main playmaker. If trapping happens & JLin+bigs can’t make PnR happen, let Lin dribble-drive to penetrate to score/dish. Don’t give up too soon by bringing in playmakers or make Hawes create. Batum/Lamb can come in as shooters.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin is not the long team contract player in this team maybe that’s why they cut his playing time to be exactly for bench player? Don’t like it. But Cliff do want & also needs Lin’s help.

  • That would be a good idea to prevent Wiggins from getting hot

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff didn’t trust Lin so when Lin & Batum on court together. Batum always run the point. Look at how bad vs Spurs in 3Q..? I think Cliff just didn’t have answer for Spurs that’s why they lose big in 3Q & Cliff didn’t do anything to change it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I appreciate your believing in a better day tomorrow. I, on the other hand, don’t see any evidence yet. The rotation will be the same and the role will be the same. All I hope is Lin’s shot will fall to raise up his stat. He’s in his prime and how he’s being used is such a misfortune from not a good promise keeper coach.

  • sws94

    Can’t agree about Lin being a top 5 PG. First of all, he doesn’t have the handles to be a top 5 PGs. Top PGs have excellent, secure handles. Is Lin better than Teague? I used to think so but the more I see Teague, the more I think he plays a better game as a PG. Lin sometimes just doesn’t act like a floor general and that’s a big part of being a PG. He has great court vision and abilities, speed and all that, but on the court presence, authority and decision making is something Lin hasn’t mastered yet. A great PG doesn’t defer to anyone. Not Batum for sure. Only a Kobe or someone like that like Nash did would make them defer.

    Lin isn’t better than Lillard, Curry, Westbrook, Conley, Chris Paul. Lin can sometimes get outplayed by guys like Cory Joseph and Shroeder. He’s not really better than Dragic either. Dragic is a little smoother and less mistake prone than Lin.

    I’m not sure I care to compare where Lin is. Lin is a potent, electrifying player sometimes. But really, maybe he isn’t Linsanity Lin. Maybe he is a guy that can go on runs and look like an all-star but can play pretty middling much of the time. He’s 27 now, he looked incredibly good in preseason but so far he hasn’t brought that Lin into the regular season.

    The season is young and I have more patience than you. But until Lin proves he is solid and reliable as a point guard/combo guard to his coaches and team mates, he’ll be used when he’s electric, confident and aggressive and if he doesn’t seem that way, he’ll get the minutes he’s getting.

  • Weifang

    I don’t think he will, his numbers are directly related to his NBA value. Hornets won’t let Lin’s value go up too much so they may keep Lin if the deal works out at the end of season or they can trade Lin with a good deal if they won’t let his numbers go too low. That’s why I think they would use Lin like what Houston did in terms of bizness.

  • sws94

    Why should it matter? What is Batum? Is he not just a one-year players as well? And you keep saying they cut his playing time. I don’t think that’s true. I think he’s getting less playing time due to the circumstances of games. I don’t think it was cut because he’s seen as less important than he was at the start of the season.

  • I see the trust is not strong yet.

    JLin just has to keep scoring aggressively with drives & FTs to prove that he’s a weapon in the 4th quarter. He has to take matters in his own hand for his future.The bigs just need to be ready to convert the assists. If they don’t convert after 2-3 times, then take it himself. It’s the right unselfish approach for a team win. To keep dishing to bad teammates would be more selfish since it costs team a chance to win

    I see Kemba has this mentality. He got 1 TO from trying fancy passes so he stopped & started scoring/shooting.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    An NBA team is just like a Hollywood studio. Owners and executives will set out the agendas and coach to carryout. Lin was determined as a non-NBA player and now good backup pg for fans to follow. Like I’ve said, give him the freedom to play and believing in him, he’s one of the top.

  • adele

    Before the season started when Lin signed the contract, he believes that he will be given more minutes and will have a significant role in the games.

  • CJSHYY

    Wow! Never thought this will happen…?

    https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/664149946896134144

  • sws94

    You build teams around who produces. I don’t care what you’ve done, unless you are Kobe, you go to the bench and you do less if you don’t perform. Look at Noah. Lin was never an all-star, the Linsanity run doesn’t make him one. He was an interesting player, and always considered dangerous by opposing coaches. So, games are built upon who is the deadliest players on the court the most consistently. Lin hasn’t been that in enough games. He is in some games, but not most. So, he has to play in a system. Only the biggest superstars or the most consistent players get systems built around them.

  • sws94

    If Kemba attempted Lin’s passing he’d had 5 TOs a game. That’s a weakness in Kemba’s game so he uses his handling and ability to break down defenses for easier passes to his advantage.

  • NONONO

    My only hope goes to Jack Ma (he watched Lakers games on the court side last season.). Buy a NBA team with 1-2% BABA stocks and sign Lin as PG 35mins+. Sign Lin as head coach after Lin retires. Pass my message to Jack Ma if you can, Please!

  • Dorothy

    Simple question, did Clifford cut Walker, Batum time because they played bad??????? You see the difference now??????

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Kemba once on the court, he ran the offense without stopping. He’s fast. Jeremy was the opposite, slow down the game, wait for coach signal, wait for teammates to settle in and when he attacks he needs his teammates to be with him too. Pick and pop was horrible.

    Two offensive sets between Kemba and Jeremy. This is where I don’t see Clifford is all we’ve hoped he would be.

  • Unfortunately, I agree with your assessment. JLin sometimes forgets that he needs to play aggressively & falls in the temptation to over-facilitate as part of a team-ball.

    He clearly is the most lethal scorer but sometimes believes too much out of the goodness of his heart that he gives a chance for teammates to make plays. Then he became passive when the ball doesn’t return to him

    Lin in preseason was good because he didn’t hesitate to drain jumper with a small window but now he tried too hard to work on ball-movement. Idk. I hope JLin figures it out soon how to get back to the preseason mentality

  • sws94

    Perspective please. It’s 6 games. You comment as if it were 25. I really don’t know how many minutes Lin will get once his game kicks in. You act like regardless of how Lin plays he should get minutes. It doesn’t work that way. You still have to produce on the level that you are expected to. He hasn’t quite done that. When he does, then we’ll see what’s really going on. But we can’t until then.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin played bad in that game, so if I remember correctly, after the game, Jack Ma said I can do better …..something like that….

  • sws94

    He did to Al. Walker really hasn’t played bad. Batum has no one to replace him, Kemba is placed in for Lin. Also you still aren’t looking at the game circumstances. 3 of the games were blowouts. Kemba plays less minutes in blowouts and he is the starting, heavy minutes PG.

  • Tommy

    Yah he was consistent so I know what kind of coach he is

  • Tommy

    yep thats what happened

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You build the team around whom the GM/owner tell you. We’ve seen that too often as team failure, disappointed lottery pick, bad trade, etc….while the best players are being buried deep on the bench.

  • CJSHYY

    Maybe Batum agreed to stay or what? Somehow they seem to be more trust Batum than Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    12-15-15 many more moves.

  • NONONO

    Jack Ma knows what is going on in Lin hardship journey. It was just like Jack Ma’s. Jack Ma is sports fan and he bought a Chinese soccer team. I wouldn’t be surprised he buy a NBA team and compete with Steve Ballmer and MJ.

  • kjch

    Sure, I’ll give him a call now.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You know what a liar usually tell you about the promise he hasn’t delivered? Give me more times.

  • adele

    When the season started, i silently wish that Lin will have an important role in this Hornets team and I really have a big confidence in Clifford that he will trust Lin. But my faith in this organization is slowly gone. The coach is not true to his words. I really hoped that Lin will be the factor that this team will be in the play-offs and stay here and become a franchise player so that he will not be labeled as a journeyman. Still praying for this.

  • sws94

    Coach thinks Batum makes good basketball decisions and puts trust in him. So far, it hasn’t paid off that well. He makes a lot of TOs and bad plays. Lin is looked on to provide different qualities, but he’s also looked open to lead the 2nd unit as PG several minutes of the game. Lin doesn’t look to have a good unit.

  • NONONO

    He must be too busy on 11.11 festival. Call him tomorrow (Beijing Time)

  • sws94

    Whatever, you’re jumping the gun imo. 6 games is 6 games. They play 82 for the season.

  • adele

    Thats only one game. He was probably called out by the FO with that.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    For me I didn’t wish, I believed it. I believed when Jeremy wrote to thank and to tell the reason why he chose the Hornets.

    Me too, praying for a better day when their eyes are wide open.

  • CJSHYY

    How come they can make a trade now? I thought have to wait until 12/15?

  • sws94

    Yes, it is all his mentality. And really, as terrible a coach as Scott was, he was right about that. And Worthy and other guys talked about how strong a player Lin is when he’s not thinking and just plays his game.

    He started thinking in the regular season but I think more after the Miami game. He was still tough and going on instinct in the Miami game and although he forced the issue sometimes, he wasn’t passive.

  • let’s be patient. I’m sure there’s a lot of communication between JLin & Clifford on the decision-making in Game 1-6.

    At this point, there’s nothing Lin fans can do to hope that things will get better by Game 20-25. More wins, preseason JLin performance is back & more PT for JLin.

    Even if JLin gets traded by Feb (unlikely), it’s a setback for JLin’s career.

    We can’t be so microscopic on the negatives that we overlook the positives. Then we get depressed and it’s detrimental to our personal lives. Gotta have hope 🙂 That’s why JLin survived 6 years in the NBA

  • adele

    Our Lin is being given crumbs. In your eyes, he should be a good dog and perform tricks to be given more crumbs. It getting pathetic.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Any free agent signer must wait until 12-15 deadline to be traded or 3 months if signed after Sept 15.

  • NONONO

    Lin is too nice on and off the courses.

  • kjch

    Yeah seems like he’s busy. No worries, I’ll text him

  • adele

    We are here to voice our opinions about what we observe over what’s happening. We do have patience and Lin tweeted about “surrender” then it is what it is.

  • sws94

    They played close in 3 games and they got blown out in 1 and won big in 2. Lin is not playing as well as preseason because he’s thinking too much. In preseason he used his skills better and just shot better. He’ll shoot better, that’ll come, but if he plays better then he’s done the most he can do to be a big contributor to the team.

  • DX

    That’s why Lin played well on preseason games, not now. Everyone including coach are different. But, but ,but, only 6 games, I won’t judge Cliff as BS or Mcfailer. Just keep calm and patient.Be honest, Lin haven’t shown his best, that maybe an excuse.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Psalm, Lin will never get the success exceeding the team stars. The danger and the consequences of Lin getting out of hand would effect team’s other agendas. Lin is a team role player off the bench under 20 mpg. nothing more.

    What we witness what he could do in preseason has been shutdown once the season started. Stats and Winning is now matter.

  • sws94

    Doesn’t have the personnel to play his game. I can only think use Zeller differently, put him as a PnR guy and hope for good results. Put Hawes as a spot-up 3 point shooter that is wide open because it takes him forever to get shots off. Hawes could also have presence inside for rebounds, so go between that. Play more Kaminsky. Then Lin needs to zoom up the court, no more strolling. He doesn’t have Ed Davis or Daniels, a really great 3 point shooter, to make for an optimal game. But maybe those adjustments can get him closer. Clifford may try that, but I don’t think this soon.

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  • kjch

    Agree 100%.

  • sws94

    Not at all. But jumping to rash conclusions in 6/82 games doesn’t make much sense to me. And I always say he should show his “nasty” on the court the way Pop meant it. He’s too nice if anything when he’s on the court, and I mean with his own team mates.

  • adele

    It’s very clear about the agenda. Since the all-star will be held in Charlotte. As early as now, they are promoting votes for Kemba and other stars. They know that if they let Lin have his stats, he will surely be voted. They have to cut his production and hope to win because Lin will surely be voted if he got his stats. Anybody who is smart enough can see this strategy from any team. Too bad Lin is again a victim of this circumstance.

  • sws94

    Why would you think that? That’s just speculation.

  • NONONO

    @psalm234:disqus Totally agree with “support JLin to have the score-first mentality”. That is what all top PG do and become true stars.

  • adele

    You don’t have to be “nasty” to produce. And what conclusions are you saying? I’m not concluding anything. I’m stating facts. The coach gives Lin less and less minutes and limits his role in the games. Is that a conclusion or a fact?

  • adele

    Because after that one game and I really remembered that because I have Al in my fantasy League. He was given starter and star minutes after that. I’m a happy camper with my fantasy games but not as a Lin fan.

  • heart

    Yep, that was one of the reasons he sounded optimistic as he expressed in his past interviews. And my guess is that the recent published article was probably quoted him from earlier interviews instead of after the Spurs game. His recent tweet has implied the circumstances have changed and there goes the optimism as evident by his word ‘surrender’.

  • adele

    There’s a lot of speculation, observation and opinion in this forum. You speculate also.

  • I believe the Bible verses on “surrender” to the Lord usually means that he will try his best in an uncertain situation but not worrying too much about the future.

    So it’s a confirmation of some struggle and a mindset to leave the uncontrolled things to the Lord, then focus on what he can do now.

    Just my 2cents. Knowing JLin, he’s going to give his 100% effort as usual
    He got through tanking last season so this would be easier 🙂

  • adele

    So we have to be silent or just cheer with the Hornets loses for 82 games?

  • NONONO

    Actually, i think Batum, AL, Lamb, Hawes …all taking advantages of Lin’s mentality about “no body cares who scores”. whenever they have ball, they unlikely pass ball to (or back to) Lin even Lin is wide open.

  • Yes, sir!
    (My best Brent imitation)

  • adele

    I’m not sure it’s going to be easy for him or for us if he doesn’t play enough with a lower pay, lower minutes, limited role in a low-key area in a non-play off team.

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  • grover chang

    I think lin could break his own shackles. Coach wants to see players. Lin doesn’t always play. When he says he just stays aggressive. I’m always like “really” in my head. I see him play aggressive, but often see him look passive. If you don’t play hard then sit down is probably what his coach is saying. This isn’t like mchale who benched him when playing well. Lin has been benched when not playing well.

  • Dorothy

    Lin, please wake up, your teammates do not think the same as you. No need to sacrifice your NBA career for that kind of players.

  • CJSHYY

    Did he say team ball again?

  • NONONO

    He does not look that happy. I would pray for him although I am not a christian.

  • heart

    That could be one possible speculation assuming they’re meeting his demands, that is giving him the ball… Inadvertently or purposely, minutes have to come from somewhere and it’s at Lin’s expense.

  • CJSHYY

    Have not watch the video yet… Oh! No….

  • NONONO

    His style only works (and WIN ) if key players work with him as team. But I hope he has “score-first mentality” to tonight and the rest of season. It does not violate “score-first mentality”!

  • heart

    Do guys/gals know why I can’t see posted videos or tweets from others. It’s showing blank on my screen. Help…

  • CJSHYY

    Just watch the video. Lin looks not really that happy but OK. Hope he can have good game ….

  • Dorothy

    His picture says all…

  • NONONO

    Would “team work” be truly respected and appreciated in the winner-take-all society? Sorry!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Refresh?

  • cdblue10

    In 5 years,I hope Lin had already learn his lesson,that the only way to get your leverage in NBA is to put a respectable numbers,his team mates are doing that and it seems he’s still waiting until this moments to play team ball with him.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    “If coach truly wanted Lin to play his game of basketball, then stop making him checking in with him on sideline for every play.

  • heart

    thanks.

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  • CJSHYY

    No please. He’s from star to starter then bench now… what’s next? I really like this fan said to Lin in his timeline before he removed it.

    @BJPriest2010 @JLin7 Be #1 guy in the team first before Ur team ball theory. Sacrificed Ur stats or salary won’t work. NBA is money+STAR

  • CJSHYY

    What did he say? Really don’t want to watch the video…LOL!

  • cdblue10

    Exactly.

  • CJSHYY

    But after watched his interview… really not sure he agrees to do it or not…?! smh!

  • sws94

    Charlotte media is weird in that they started talking about Stef Curry after just a few questions about his own team in the shootaround. Well, Clifford said Marvin is great on and off the ball, Hawes can playmake (ugh), Cody can provide screens something like Kevin Garnett. Reporter then said Cody said something about loving to play for Lin because he’ll get the ball to you and Coach said yes but said more about Cody, that he can run and then yeah, that happens. Then they talk about Curry. Back to the team then he was asked about Al and he said Al’s playing more in the flow and had a good last 2 games. Then he was asked about Towns and Cliff definitely watched last night and said he’s a very strong player. He said Wiggins is on a roll and they have a lot of good young players.

  • sws94

    Exactly.

  • blubell

    See @sws94:disqus’s post above 🙂

  • CJSHYY

    Thanks.

  • sws94

    What Pop meant is you have to play with an edge, aggressive, tough, don’t be intimidated by pressure. Shoot with confidence, pass with confidence, it’s an attitude. I’ve already said why I think Lin has less minutes and much of it is due to game circumstances.,

  • CJSHYY

    So he didn’t say anything about Lin, right? This is not good if Lin & coach continue don’t like each other… I think Lin will be SG more tonight again.

  • sws94

    You assess as you go along., 6 games is too early. Try 15 or so at first. Then see what adjustments are made and what develops with the team.

  • sws94

    And they’ve played 6 games, and Lin hasn’t played his best basketball. How many more games do they play and Lin have a chance to show what he can do? I have more problems with Kaminsky who has played well and hasn’t been rewarded the minutes vs. Lin who has been given chances and hasn’t really pulled it all together yet.

  • NONONO

    Players would not make change fro Lin and Coach will not make change for Lin. They believe Lin is very good player. BUT LIN will not get more minutes unless Hornets in trouble during the games for any reason. Only Lin can make change for himself – whenever he gets the ball, score first!

  • sws94

    He’s fine in the interview. It was quick and I think he just wants the team to win. He seems to want the team to play their best ball to be in a good position to win and not beat themselves.

  • CJSHYY

    From coach’s comments, I guess Lin will be a CnS shooter only for tonight’s game.

  • sws94

    Huh? He talked about a few players. He didn’t say anything about Kemba, Batum, Lam either. Does it mean that he and those players don’t get along or he doesn’t like them?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is an NBA team not street basketball. Clifford standing on the sideline constantly yelling at players for what he wanted them to do, if Lin broke the shackle, that would fallout of coach’s plays making it easier for him to bench Lin.

  • adele

    To me, it all starts with the coach. Lin is new in the team. He should be given more understanding and longer leash. He is not the nasty type. I prefer Lin to be who he is. Thats the very reason I followed him. Every player in the nba doesn’t make 100% in their shots. But if you are labeled as a star, its a bad ni