G57 CHA @IND Game Thread

It’s too bad that Jeremy Lin’s ankle was injured again in the 1st quarter in the Cavs game since it would have affect to his drives and defense for a while.

  1. Would Big Al continue to be a weakness in defending the paint for the 2nd unit? On offense, it doesn’t seem like there was much PnR rather than dumping the ball to Al inside to use his post-moves.
  2. Will JLin have to rely on his drive and 1-1 moves to score since the ball seemed to not move around as much and he didn’t have enough touches as a PG? The Hornets need to be consistent in facilitating ball movement and trust JLin to orchestrate the offense when he’s on the floor. Otherwise, this team might barely make the playoff with inefficient offense and will be one-and-done.

Let’s go, JLin! Let’s hope and pray he continues to play well with his defense, drives and shooting to help the Hornets to win


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  • grover chang

    1st. Linsanity come back to us. Please?!!!! May God be with you.

  • DX

    2nd, 20, 8 game!

  • rookie75094

    2nd….let’s go Jlin!!! Spank the Indiana Model T’s! !

  • GameWatcher

    If Lin keeps injuring his ankle, maybe it’s time to get new types of shoes.

  • Acbc

    Needs a new coach and everything will be fine.

  • JoeTeam

    Steph made 10 3s yesterday. JLin has made 9 3s before. I wonder how many people make that many 3s. Give JLin the ball, for goodness sake …

    http://www.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_29564133/stephen-curry-scores-51-points-win-over-magic

  • KHuang

    No way Charlotte wins this game.

    The Hornets are simply too selfish with Walker and Batum more interested in freezing Lin out than running actual plays to win the games.

    When Batum and Walker are playing selfish loserball, it reduces the Hornets’ ability to score and allows opponents to rest on defense against Charlotte’s frozen out players.

    The Hornets stink.

  • JE Ballew

    Imo the Hornets are headed for a big losing streak.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here are the players who have made at least 10 3-pointers in a single game, since 1983-84, along with the date on which they played the game. Click to enlarge the image.

    Notice how many are active players. By the way, there have been 52 games in which 9 3-pointers were made.

    See : http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_game.html
    _________

  • sws94

    Doubt it. Their schedule is quite favorable for wins. They are also “healthy” (not really but guys are playing).

  • Steppen03

    A lot of Curry and JR. Smith. It makes sense for Curry because he’s simply the best but that’s not all he does. For Lin, I just want him to have 2-3 threes a game and be an all around player like Parker – which he can.

  • Steppen03

    Be optimistic …like JL7. The Hornets want to win and they DO know how to win. The season is not over so I’m not looking and thinking about the offseason. JL7 have a chance to make a big impact in each and every game left. CCliff is not a bias coach like previous.

  • Sesshie

    McHale was the worst because he unfairly benched JLin. Nothing else need to be said. The rest is just a domino effect from that point onwards.

  • Steppen03

    We can’t blame JL7 for losing games because he’s NOT the man. We can’t blame CCliff because Kemba IS the man. The franchise is built around Kemba. This is not a one man show. The Hornets is not a great team but it’s a good team. And we have forgotten that this is their first year together – four new main players. Let us be pleasantly surprised.

  • Steppen03

    Yes, it’s like a domino effect but honestly I think coaches still don’t believe in JL7’s abilities. He Never had that chance – to lead his own team to the playoffs. In NYK, think people just saw it as a fluke. In Hou, it’s Harden and Parsons’ breakout year. There’s always somebody else getting more credits. So, I’m fine if JL7 starts on a not-so-good or outright bad team then even the blinds can see the truth again.

  • Sesshie

    I don’t care about the Hornets if JLin is not utilized properly. JLin would find another team next year and we will forget about them.

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  • blubell
  • Dan Ang

    Father Winter, aka Kemba, the Hornets are knocking on the doors of the Playoffs…..stop freezing JLin out!

  • After we knew that Harden wanted the Rox to fire McHale and tried to trade Dwight, it definitely made sense that Harden also wanted Bev to start in JLin’s 2nd year because then he can play all offense with Bev covering his back. Plus he didn’t like sharing the spotlight with JLin. Remember how reluctant Harden gave the ball for JLin to get the last assist in his Triple-Double game? Only when the crowd cheered for JLin to get the ball that he gave it to Lin.

    It has become clear that Harden controlled Morey and the Rockets to their own detriment.
    They could’ve gone to the Finals had they kept JLin and Parsons last year and Harden wanted to play less hero-ball.

    IMO The moral of the story for JLin and his fans are never to go back to Rockets as long as Harden is the puppet master.
    Same with the Knicks with Melo. They will find a way to diminish JLin’s role.

    I agree JLin can go to a bad team like 76ers (as long as they’re no longer tanking) to showcase his true PG potential. That’s how Nash did it when he moved to the Suns from the Mavs. The Suns had 29-53 record before Nash arrived and led them to 62-20 record. All JLin needs is a chance to prove himself.

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  • cdblue10

    Nice Kicks

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Interesting development. Any hutch what is going on?
    https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/703326670678196225

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Can’t agree more.

  • Uh-Oh

    This is really cool! Of all the shoes he posted that I can remember this is the best! The only one that makes me want to get a pair too.

  • grover chang

    Competition is getting fierce. Walker can’t get away with his bad play and still win. Lin needs more time and more usage to get the win, but he won’t get it. As long as Walker eats into Lins role as pg, the hornets lose.

  • Barry Allen

    ….and next year they will have 3 more new main players.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Let me guess, his agent must have leaked Harden was the reason Morey tried to trade Howard.

  • Barry Allen

    The current Hornets stink………….. but the Hornets with Kemba out and Lin leading beat the Cavs.

    What a difference empowering Lin at PG without selfish teammates makes.

    They learnt that in NY, Houston and now Charlotte.

  • GameWatcher

    Kinda expected after DH fails to get traded. Nothing to see here.

  • Barry Allen

    That’s a step in the right direction.

  • Yascar

    Probably thought Fegan wasn’t going after the right things, or finally getting fed up with the conflict of interest? Fegan has always been rumoured to make deals for multiple clients, sometimes to the detriment of one.

    I kind of respect Dwight for this. Kind of. Depends what he does in the summer.

  • cdblue10

    Guys I’m at war in Twitter…lol

  • adele

    No. Please understand that Lin is the glue guy and a great impact for making into the play offs. The Knicks barely made it into the playoffs and Lin saved them. The Rockets are doing well when Lin was there. Except for the Lakers Tanking, they could have made it

  • Peter Truong From Riverside CA

    Show us

  • cdblue10

    I’m on my phone,can’t do it right now,I will later.

  • orLinaryjoe

    unleash the linfans on them, lol

  • Yascar

    The sad sad tenure of savior Lawson with the Rockets is apparently coming to an end.
    https://twitter.com/thevertical/status/703273346625052672

  • orLinaryjoe

    https://twitter.com/CNM_JLin_Vids/status/703364005356773376

    He better not be talking about Lin. Be a man and name names, lol.

  • Bulldog

    How difficult it was for Lin to survive in this tough situation for PG.

  • Peter Truong From Riverside CA

    Ok 🙂

  • Linzen

    Exactly, this so call star PG can’t survive the Harden ISO. It speaks volume to our boy’s toughness, versatility and talent!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hope the Hornets pick him up when he’s free then release Lin.

  • Linzen

    Interesting idea! When is the deadline for buy out?

  • orLinaryjoe

    https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/703366888752029697
    Not surprised at all. Doesn’t mean I like it.

  • Joe what do you know

    Wow… Donnie Marshall… I had his rookie card. Very Impressive college stats but seemed to have fizzled out once he was in with the big boys. So he did have some good games after all then….

  • orLinaryjoe

    I’ll be more “sad” if and when they really don’t make playoffs.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Like I said, Not surprised at all. Doesn’t mean I like it, or should it be this way.

  • Yascar

    End of February, I think. He needs to be picked up by his new team by March 1 to be eligible for the playoffs.

  • Joe what do you know

    This is French fries without any salt…

  • Linzen

    Thanks! DO IT CHO! 🙂

  • orLinaryjoe

    Then give you the salt after you finish eating all the fries

  • Brent Yen

    Or salt without fries

  • orLinaryjoe

    and no water

  • Joe what do you know

    Hahah lol. Like in some Chinese restaurants, I always have to ask after all our dishes are on the table “hey so where is our rice?”

  • orLinaryjoe

    Right on. Lived that. Or the check that comes before all the food does?

  • Brent Yen

    yikes lol

  • Alain Gervais

    Its a defensive break down. won’t happen much

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  • Yascar

    Thanks Mel, I was beginning to wonder.

  • Joe what do you know

    Defence is showing signs of becoming ugly again….

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  • Joe what do you know

    6/10 is 100%?

  • LinMad

    ummmm mins doesn’t contribute to a triple double.

  • Alain Gervais

    Why is there no defense being played

  • John Focker

    Mel, it’s obvious that he’s just toying with you and taunting you. If he’s BEGGING to be banned you should be kind and grant his wish.

  • LinMad

    lol they are only ahead 4 points. I just tuned in and I thought they were up by like 20 or something.

  • Joe what do you know

    My LP has a few minutes of lag. And it was 6/10 when your post showed up.

  • adele

    Sorry. Not happening.

  • Yascar

    You’re obviously trying to be offensive. Then you’re gonna go back from wherever your regular forum is and cry that you were banned for doing nothing. You don’t like Lin fans so just go on your merry way.

  • LinMad

    Nic to Kemba, Miss, Nic to Kemba, Miss, meanwhile Lin wide open

  • cdblue10

    LOL

  • Alain Gervais

    Well he wasn’t that open.

  • LinMad

    i mean i would have tried Lin after

  • orLinaryjoe

    ug, Kemba bricks 2

  • Alain Gervais

    Me to lol but we are bias

  • LinMad

    it’s a pattern though. Lin is 5th option when Kemba and Batum are in together.

  • cshot

    1 touch. im gonna count

  • LinMad

    dont categorize me as bias. I’m only being fair.

  • orLinaryjoe

    at least saw that 1

  • Alain Gervais

    sure.

  • LinMad

    don’t bother lol you may fall asleep counting

  • John Focker

    You only need one hand while Kemba’s on the court.

  • heart

    Please do. 2:16min only one touch briefly and pass on.

  • LinMad

    Kemba still in?

  • cshot

    is that even a question lol?

  • LinMad

    lol no

  • cdblue10

    Lin is just running back and forth.

  • Alain Gervais

    This unit is a empty minutes for Lin.

  • JJ Hui

    Its CCliff call, CC has a agenda, trying to supress Lin and so simpke, why play KW n Lin together? Why? Knowing that Lin is a good point guard, why?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    WOW seem like Hornets have only 1 player on the court.

  • LinMad

    how was that not a foul

  • Alain Gervais

    That was a foul but that was Lins 2nd time touching the ball

  • Joe what do you know

    There’s also a punching bag for Paul George on the court…. Courtesy of the Hornets…

  • Lam

    What happened to bench line up?

  • LinMad

    and that was an accident too. Kemba lost the ball.

  • cshot

    lol 2 touches with a bogus no call

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Very annoying to watch the game:-( Guess I won’t watch the game unless Kemba is out from now on:-(

  • LinMad

    nah that was a foul

  • Alain Gervais

    That unit really sucks. Its like this. Datum … walker..al.al..batum..walker…walker…batum…al…al..al..walker..walker…bail out shot Lin

  • LinMad

    so far, Lin touched the ball once and he touched the ball the second time through a miracle when Kemba lost the ball while penetrating the paint. So I count that as 1 touch.

  • DX

    What’s that? missed shot and be blocked.

  • aras

    he looked chocked to get the ball thats why probably lol

  • LinMad

    u haven’t watched Lin enough to know what he can do. Earlier this season he did court to court in 4 secs or something

  • Lately Kemba has played the whole 1st quarter so Lin has to play SG who doesn’t shoot or … even touch the ball
    Last game he even played 1.5 min into the 2nd quarter.

    Not exactly Spurs-type teamball

  • LAJane

    I’m beginning to think that great Cavs game was the straw that broke the camel’s back for Walker – and therefore Clifford. Lin’s just too good for Walker to tolerate. KHuang predicted this – that Lin’s excellence would ultimately fail to bring guys together but rather their egos would drive things apart.

  • aras

    it’s a joke chill

  • LinMad

    both units suck though. When Lin plays with a stagnant unit like Frank, Al, Lamb

  • cshot

    4 so far

  • LinMad

    its possible KW complained to FO knowing he has the power like Harden does with Rockets.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Alain Gervais

    no foul again

  • Alain Gervais

    3333333

  • Lin gets to play PG so far in the 2nd quarter

  • LinMad

    2nd time no foul

  • Alain Gervais

    2222

  • JJ Hui

    3333

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Please read message in Twitter. Thanks!

  • JJ Hui

    22222

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lin33333!

  • LinMad

    No foul calls, no problem – Lin

  • cshot

    how the h*** is that not a foul?

  • LAJane

    Honestly, I don’t know that he even has to actually complain. These guys can read each others’ energies. They know when somebody is unhappy. And don’t think they don’t get an earful from fans, writers, family, etc. Management isn’t living in a vacuum – they’ll protect their “star’ when they sense a turning tide.

  • Lin got no call from ref..
    Got upset and scored 5 straight points!

    Good assist from Kemba on the layup

  • LinMad

    I think admin needs to ban someone here. He’s baiting us.

  • aras

    slow you roll linmad no need to get mad.

  • cdblue10

    Pretty much

  • LinMad

    LMAO the refs are so fixed today. Lin gets a nice steal and the refs call foul. Refs refuse to call anything when Lin gets hammered.

  • Alain Gervais

    man……When Lin shot finally clicks

  • cshot

    and called for a reach in foul -_-

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    @psalm234:disqus Please read my post in twitter. Thanks!

  • sws94

    The 3 looked great and that shot was close.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nice cut move but shot was missed

  • Gotta love it when we see ‘33333333s’ mixed with ‘22222222s’ =)

  • ok, will do

  • aras

    Lin lookin good so far. just got to keep shooting even if it may get ugly have confidence in that shot.

  • Alain Gervais

    I know. it looks a lot better today. Looks good every time

  • LinMad

    he’s baiting us obviously. Look at his username.

  • Joe what do you know

    I agree with you. Just don’t bite….

  • LinMad

    wow these refs are fixed

  • aras

    dont get it lol :/

  • spiderman

    Nothing new

  • blubell

    We’re reviewing it.

  • LinMad

    traveling or foul? I saw the refs both signal different things

  • aras

    Eff you lamb seriously you are retarded

  • LinMad

    these calls though…

  • Alain Gervais

    I don’t know if I’m Lin if i drive a lot. No calls being made

  • cdblue10

    Wow they’re not calling any fouls at all

  • heart

    Who Is the ref calling foul on every Hornets? Same one?

  • Joe what do you know

    Pacers are playing very physical. Can see that they’re trying their hardest to itimidate the Hornets. This is a revenge game dubbed by Indiana.

  • Alain Gervais

    only three players who have played have no fouls

  • JJ Hui

    Let Karma follow them! Sick of them!

  • aras

    Lin being aggresive, i like it keep penetrating

  • Alain Gervais

    no calls at all

  • cshot

    getting no calls

  • aras

    yeah i know. one of those games but he needs to keep attacking nevertheless

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    We are working on it. Please be patient:-)

  • sws94

    Agree. Was fouled about 3 times that I counted.

  • Alain Gervais

    great pass

  • LinMad

    That’s PG material right there.

  • LinMad

    no calls

  • Quarterback pass!

    “Beautiful pass!”

  • Alain Gervais

    5 point 2 rebounds 2 assist rest time

  • Dorothy

    Lin out?

  • Alain Gervais

    yup

  • John Focker

    You are too kind, he basically Sprewell’d you.

  • sws94

    Miss seeing those.

  • JJ Hui

    Why not KW the hero sit longer! Hornets commentator said Lin can be NFL quarterback n only Lin is so good can throw that to Lamb!!!

  • adele

    As always. But watch out in the second half specially the 4th quarter. It’s the usual Kemba show win or lose. Same old style.

  • LinMad

    really? Hornets commentators said the same thing too lol They must be trading notes

  • JJ Hui

    Sorry it’s Hornets my bad typed the wrong team

  • LinMad

    will the lead vanish now?

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin in after time out

  • LinMad

    Batum 3 TOs already

  • cdblue10

    What feed are you watching?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I know but I still would like to check with other mods first:-) This poster is banned permanently now.

  • LinMad

    he’s predicting it

  • Alain Gervais

    he was on side line

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Now that a poster is banned, I can watch the game in peace now:-)

  • aras

    Are you kidding ref?

  • Joe what do you know

    It was so obvious…. Lol

  • Joe what do you know

    It was… A foul unfortunately. Lin moved on his feet… So….

  • LinMad

    wth happened to our lead? next time just keep Lin in?

  • thank you. it was annoying.

  • Lefon Jang

    Was that a block?

  • LinMad

    Lin doing a good job on Ellis

  • Alain Gervais

    Walker pass the ball

  • cdblue10

    hahahah …walker’s disease has no cure.

  • LinMad

    Marvin was fouled! THATS BS

  • Joe what do you know

    Refs just got they new shiny whistles…. They love blowing them today…

  • aras

    refs have killed any kind of tempo

  • Alain Gervais

    Walker iso the whole 2 minutes Lin came back

  • LinMad

    this type of basketball is boringggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep but I still don’t want to let my emotions control me:-)

  • aras

    PG killing it

  • cshot

    wow

  • LinMad

    Lin’s role has been marginalized greatly

  • cshot

    love marvin. humble and unselfish like lin

  • JJ Hui

    If CC plays KW a lot for the second half, you know it will be a L for sure! Now all we have to see is how smart or how dumb he is!!!

  • LinMad

    KW seems like he doesn’t want to pass to Lin ever, I mean before the Cavs game where Lin started and Hornets won, he did pass it to Lin more. Maybe butthurt about that and ASG.

  • Howan Cheung

    can’t watch this anymore. you would need 2 balls with Kemba in the game to ever see Lin getting touches

  • DX

    He did pass on fast break. But didn’t if settle down.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Sounds familiar

  • Steppen03

    Expected Kemba to hug the ball in final minutes. What’s new? IMO, Pacers is Top 4 EC – they will catch up but Hornets are not far behind. Let’s Go!!!

  • Alain Gervais

    lee is taking Lambs minutes…….Good

  • sws94

    That’s what folks on the Hornets boards thought. Lamb did have 2 assists from Lin but his playing needs a lot of work.

  • cshot

    jeremy shouldnt have expected to get much help from coach silas. theres only so much he can do for him… cliff only favors kemba and nic

  • LinMad

    cmon Zeller…u gotta get those rebounds

  • LinMad

    Batum has no legs at all

  • Lefon Jang

    nice sequence between Williams and Batum

  • LinMad

    Kemba injured?

  • LinMad

    KW is 3-10 with 3 PFs. Sit him now.

  • cshot

    marvin making kemba look good

  • JLinFromUSA

    Kemba on double double watch

  • LinMad

    Lee and Lin bowing to eachother. They got a secret handshake going.

  • cshot

    half his assists were bailout passes to marvin

  • Alain Gervais

    indian is a one man teami

  • Alain Gervais

    We cant rely on marvin. He will cool off eventually

  • LinMad

    Lin rotting on bench.

  • Lefon Jang

    Williams on fire

  • LinMad

    im surprised the Pacers coach hasn’t called timeout and adjust to MW

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin is getting ready

  • Alain Gervais

    indiana just doesn’t match up well against us

  • LinMad

    good help D by Lin

  • Lefon Jang

    Nice double team by Lin

  • cshot

    marvin making it happen lol. great help d by lin btw

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    WOW phantom foul on JLin!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lamb

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Really? Thought it was on JLin!

  • Alain Gervais

    i think so. Its not on the stats. Lamb has 2 fouls now

  • Alain Gervais

    Al is taking away shots from Lin

  • Lefon Jang

    He should kick that one out to open lin

  • Alain Gervais

    he never does

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    OK Thanks!

  • LinMad

    why do we keep going to Al?

  • Lefon Jang

    Lamb is wasting Lin’s assist

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin was fouled!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin not getting any calls on shots

  • Lefon Jang

    Why wasn’t he shooting? I thought they were in bonus

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Refs really wants Pacers to win the game.

  • Alain Gervais

    nope they wasn’t

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Call Clifford and ask

  • Alain Gervais

    They’ve had the refs on their side all game. Still losing.

  • Lefon Jang

    You can’t fire uncle Al

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Pacers announcers said “They still have foul to give.”

  • Alain Gervais

    Al makes the bench suck now

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So many missed assists for lin

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep. Saw that. That was why refs called on Hornets but not gave them any fouls called.

  • LinMad

    at the end of the quarter, I saw Cliff calling Lin and I think Lamb to discuss something. Maybe he didn’t like that play where Lin passed it to an open Lamb. He’d rather have Al shoot it again and again and again

  • Lefon Jang

    lamb is holding back the second unit

  • Alain Gervais

    No its Al

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Both:-)

  • Lefon Jang

    LIn took care of Ellis

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Not sure I like this unit: Al, Kam, Lee, Lamb, Lin.

  • Alain Gervais

    Why are we going to Al

  • cshot

    dont like this unit at all.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Al continues to shoot.

  • Lefon Jang

    LIn’s got to ice Al a liitle

  • Alain Gervais

    Al killing all rhythm

  • Alain Gervais

    Take al out

  • LinMad

    this is just sad, Lin has to create his own basket while creating for others.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    CC really loves Kemba, Batum and Al. Let Al go back to first unit.

  • Lefon Jang

    crazy shot by lamb

  • Alain Gervais

    This is the worst coaching Cliff has done all year

  • LinMad

    we sinking

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Seem like the missed fire between Al and Lamb continues to no end.

  • Alain Gervais

    Al was a low percentage shooter before injury and after injury

  • heart

    Refs swallow whistles on Lin. They’re helping Pacers…to get back into game.

  • zxcvb

    Al-fense killing Lin and the Hornets. Lin is wide-open all night and Al never passes out of the post. Only shots Lin gets are the ones he has to force out of nowhere. And now Kemba will come back in to freeze Lin out…if Lin even plays.

    A Lin-led team of D-Leaguers destroys this Pacer team by 20. Horrible coaching.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin has only taken 1 shot. The Lanes are clogged

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Al clogs the lane, slows the game, kills the momentum.

  • cshot

    lin needs to leave.

  • zxcvb

    Al won’t pass to him when he’s wide-open. Ever. Not once.

  • LinMad

    this is what happens when coach/team doesn’t empower you, the league/refs won’t respect you. Lin is just any other $2M player on this team.

  • DX

    Al is really slow the pace.

  • aras

    this got ugly

  • Dorothy

    2222222222222

  • Lefon Jang

    yes

  • Alain Gervais

    finally he passes

  • LinMad

    I really hate Coach’s lineup and rotation. Why does he ice the bench for so long since 2nd quarter, half time and like 90% of 3rd quarter? Kemba?

  • zxcvb

    Al FINALLY passes to Lin. Lin hits the jumper. This should happen every possession, not once a month.

  • Lefon Jang

    Myles with the do missed the dunk!

  • Alain Gervais

    What terrible coaching

  • LinMad

    grabbed

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why al plays too much?

  • LinMad

    Batum loses the ball a lot. Lin should be handling it.

  • Lefon Jang

    wow the bench needs to do something

  • zxcvb

    Clifford loves “his guys”: Kemba, Al and Batum. Everyone else is trash to be blamed and jerked around.

  • LinMad

    This is the dumbest coaching I’ve seen though. Just sit Lin out and let the starters play. I can’t even stand watching Lin play on this team.

  • Alain Gervais

    Cliff coaching is making me tired

  • zxcvb

    Al holding them all back. Never passes to the open man. Can’t make shots. Won’t defend. Won’t set screens,

  • Lefon Jang

    Everybody wants to take away Lin’s glory!

  • Alain Gervais

    lee playing 40 minutes today

  • LinMad

    everyone wants to be the ball handler, no one wants to play defense. Lin the only real play maker in 2nd unit is now just a defense guard.

  • LinMad

    Cliff trying to devalue Lin so FO can offer Batum max contract.

  • heart

    Refs are controlling this game. They favor Pacers to win. Since first quarter, they take turn calling foul on almost every Hornets. It has to be blatant hold and grab w/Lin lying flat on the floor in full view for them to whip out their whistle.

  • zxcvb

    Lin benched of course.

  • zxcvb

    Not really. Reffing is fair. It’s Al-fense and Kemba Ball as usual.

  • Dorothy

    Gooooo Pacers

  • Alain Gervais

    Cliffs coaching today was the worst of the season

  • Dorothy

    tie hahaha no Lin no win

  • LinMad

    Cliff likes to play favoritism. Lee, Al, Kemba, Batum. All his favorite players gets the minutes/touches.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Now ckiff sits al

  • zxcvb

    Hornets are unwatchable. Such ugly, poorly coached basketball. Just Kemba streetball and Al-fense.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. See ya later.

  • zxcvb

    To help Kemba.

  • DX

    Let’s see the two key players. Kemba 6-15, Batum, 5 TO, 6 PTs.

  • LinMad

    We’re not a playoffs team if Cliff keeps brown nosing Kemba, Al, Batum and Lee.

  • JJ Hui

    I hope CC wake up, Lin is a fast pace pointguard, why put Al playing with Lin? If they lost is because of CC stupid line up!

  • cdblue10

    ISO Walker is ON

  • aras

    BAHAHAH its George against Kemba right now

  • heart

    See what I mean… bodies contacts but no foul calls until someone landed lying on the floor…

  • Alain Gervais

    How much game are left with Lin on this team

  • LinMad

    yes, keep wearing and tearing ur star players Cliff. Rest Lin for next season when he leaves for a bigger contract lol

  • LinMad

    24 or 25?

  • Alain Gervais

    Lee and Lin have basically the same stats

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Did Cliff call out 5,4 3 sec on kemba?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Can’t wait to see the foul out of Kemba. Really mean of me but….

  • Alain Gervais

    one has 36 minutes

  • LinMad

    Cliff keeps Batum in the final minutes. Does he know Batum only converts 8% of his shots in the last 2 minutes of game?

  • DX

    If have OT.

  • John Focker

    Even if Kemba fouls out, Batum will be PG.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Too many for me.

  • LinMad

    and will earn another 4 TOs before the game ends

  • LinMad

    the most interesting thing about this game is that Pacers have 3 players with the last name Hill.

  • LAJane

    LOL

  • DX

    He only Batum will get max.

  • cdblue10

    Lets Go Pacers

  • LinMad

    Stephanie Ready “I did hear a skin slap sound”….Rated M for Mature

  • LinMad

    I bet you if Al was in there and Zeller was on the bench, starters would be digging a hole

  • cdblue10

    Yesssssss

  • LinMad

    lol these refs …threw the ball low to favor Pacers

  • LAJane

    I kind of wanted them to get into the playoffs so Jeremy could have the pleasure of some playoff games. But if they’re gonna limp in with such poor playing and keeping Lin in the freezer to pump up Kemba, then nope. There wouldn’t be any shine rubbing off on Lin for that kind of sad team showing. So, go Pacers.

  • Jim

    Lets go pacers
    clifford can go

  • LinMad

    I don’t know who to be more angry about. The refs this game or the coaching by Cliff.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    They really want Pacers to win including me after seeing the game.

  • Alain Gervais

    7-20 …kemba

  • Jim

    Lee hasnt done anything hes not anymore useful than Lin is but he plays 37mins Lin 21mins smh

  • LinMad

    favorite players > anyone else

  • heart

    Both.

  • LinMad

    ooooooooohhhhhh

  • Lefon Jang

    Lin’s teammates also

  • BobbyH

    Political reason overwrites basketball reason.

  • LinMad

    I hope Cliff is really angry. He earned it.

  • grover chang

    Walker weak link with 5 fouls. Good coaching by pacers

  • Jim

    Monta is one of my favorite players
    hes no longer the player he used to be but still can be clutch

  • LinMad

    /facepalm if he draws a play for Batum. He’s 8% in the last 2 minutes of games.

  • Jim

    hes ill

  • DX

    7M and 2M

  • Alain Gervais

    good no Lin late to bail them out

  • cdblue10

    NO LIN NO WIN

  • LinMad

    Someone blew the play.

  • adele

    As always . What else is new?

  • Alain Gervais

    Why is indiana switching. What bad coaching

  • Jim

    CLifford does not respect Lin at all

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Go Go Pacers!

  • LAJane

    Rats rats rats!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Come on Pacers, you can get the win!!!!

  • LinMad

    I felt like we lost when Kemba scored. Is that normal?

  • Jim

    Lin needs to go after this season
    Lee is not better than Lin CLifford is mentally ill

  • JJ Hui

    So sick of CC! What makes him think Lee is so good to close the game?

  • adele

    Wishing hornets to lose so bad.

  • Lefon Jang

    would that be like a reverse psychology?

  • LinMad

    I think so

  • Dorothy

    Oh, well

  • LAJane

    It has nothing to do with who is better than who. It’s about protecting Kemba as the star.

  • LinMad

    this game matters so much for both teams

  • LAJane

    In this situation, yes.

  • Alain Gervais

    The way the team is set up is bad news for Lin. Al taking shots and spacing from him. Lee the new Cliff boytoy. Anyways season almost over

  • cdblue10

    Hornets wins but w/ a heavy heart for me.

  • JJ Hui

    Bias coach!

  • LinMad

    oh well at least Lin got to relax this game.

  • adele

    Losing don’t matter to this hornets team as long as KW got his stats for next seasons asg. Unbelievable!

  • Jim

    he needs no protection

  • Alain Gervais

    Lee got 39 minutes 3-10 7 points.

  • Jim

    Lee 39mins 7pts 3-10 shooting smh

  • Jim

    lamb and kaminski dont look happy at all

  • aras

    Got a question For SWS if he is here? Should Lin seriously be on this team next season? after the cavs game He has been abysmal for this team. This team is not for him in my opinion. Had MKG not been hurt along with others. Lins stat would probably be single digits points.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Really! I know JLin wants to go to playoffs but I’ve mixed emotion on that. Only want Hornets to be one of the playoffs teams if CC used JLin right but it doesn’t. Really really annoy! Why he doesn’t let Al go back to be a starter???? Tire of watching Hornets games now. Wish the season is over.

  • Jim

    <5

  • Steppen03

    The Hornets’ lucky break tonight from No Lin, No Win.
    What I care:
    #1) Lin has to play in final minutes.
    #2) Still want Hornets to win games as long as JL7 is on.

  • heart

    So sick to my stomach having to hear Hornets praise him each and every chance they get. Just like Rox media w/Harden before. Wait ’til everyone is sick playing D and stand watching KW ball hogging. Hornets will experience Rox madness soon.

  • Pistolpete

    Lee has played 37 minutes and Lin 22?? Kemba, Al, Lamb & Kaminsky all playing hero ball. Can’t wait for this season to end. Go Indiana!

  • Jim

    39

  • adele

    I hope to see them losing big time. Bunch of losers Clifford and Kemba and hornets can laugh all you want but wait for the karma to happen.

  • Pistolpete

    !correction 39 minutes for Lee who did nothing. Run Jeremy run!

  • Dan Ang

    Risky move by Clifford to play CLee instead of JLin in the game during the final minutes.

  • Jim

    Rubio
    Redick
    Hayward
    Love
    Plumlee
    with Lin coming off the bench
    would be deadly

  • Jim

    embrace urself
    more to come
    Clifford clearly loves lee
    Coached him before

  • heart

    Yep. Don’t like that Lin sacrifices his early prime and pay to play for this team as a backup. He was sold on ‘snake oil’ pitch!

  • adele

    True

  • I am The Jason

    It must be nice to shoot the ball 21 times.

  • sport

    Look at all this negativity, exactly why I don’t even bother watching the games. I’d be even more mad having wasted my time watching Lin marginalized and everyone’s game suffering just to prop up Kemba the ball chucker to be All-Star. This is exactly why I hope Hornets don’t make playoffs. Because this will only give more attention and credit to Kemba as the “fake star” just like Harden. They got lucky today. Still hope they lose all the other games and miss playoffs.

  • jolno

    Looks like the Hornets will barely sneak in the playoffs as the 8th seed if Detroit can’t put together a run. It’s not the end of the world as Lin can get some valuable playoffs experience/exposure. The Hornets will get swept by the Cavs because they keep catering to ISO-Kemba losing ball. After the season, Lin will be free-ed and the Hornets will go back to being the bottom-feeders in the East as they always have been under the watch of ISO-Kemba. The silver lining is the Hornets will lose a chance at getting a lottery pick by “making” the playoffs lol.

  • sport

    Protecting his “stats”. If treated fairly, Lin would easily outshine Kemba.

  • sport

    You’d think Lin would’ve learned his lesson with all previous snake gms, coaches and teams but nope.

  • Steppen03

    Clinging to hope here: somehow, some way, JL7 get to shine in the playoffs. Whatever time JL7 gets on the court It should be celebrated. Just take what’s given. Winning is everything. Lin is no longer the scapegoat of lost games.

  • grover chang

    Could someone explain to me why Lin’s +/- is bad. I missed the game. How did he play tonight?

  • DX

    Agreed, extra games is good and Lin has the most playoff experience in this team.

  • sport

    Didn’t previous seasons teach fans anything? Lin will be frozen even more during playoffs for the “stars” and “favorites” to shine! It’ll just get worst. Lin may want to go to playoffs to help his team but his team won’t want his help just like Rockets!

  • jolno

    Lin really hates to lose though and I think he’d rather have a chance at playing in the playoffs no matter how few minutes he will receive. After playing with Harden and Kobe, I seriously doubt that Kemba’s antics will affect Lin in any way. The Hornets will go back to losing once Lin leaves anyways so why not let them have their brief period of fame (or false hope lol).

  • heart

    Yep. It will be MORE upsetting to see Lin marginalized in the playoffs IF they make it. That’s when everyone wants to show off and be the hero, especially KW of course. Everyone will be props set up by Cliff for KW’s big stage. No 4th quarter or crunch time for Lin, letting alone winning shot…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Al.

  • heart

    That’s how Harden’s ego was reared… Look at how he has affected the team…

  • grover chang

    typical Lin pattern. Join a team, make the playoffs. Then leave the team, next season is good, then next next season ugly.

  • sport

    Don’t think I can bare any more games just want it to end. What’s good of playoffs if Lin won’t get any minutes. He’s not getting them now and certainly won’t if they do make it. Better off focusing on his training and reuniting with MDA ASAP.

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s what the stats of people alongside Kemba and Batum would look like…

  • grover chang

    Lin makes players around him look better. He may have met his match in AL. Big AL is like a dinosaur in the new NBA.

  • BobbyH

    From a different angle, Lin will be ready for the playoff with fresh legs.

  • heart

    My eye test: No foul calls from Refs, Al offense and KW playing along.

  • sws94

    Al stunk in the 2nd half and Lin was playing with him mostly. Lin did nicely in the first half, but second half was a lot of feeding Al who didn’t make most of his shots.

  • heart

    Only if he’s allowed to play or more than likely he’ll be stuck to the bench.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nice summary

  • sport

    Lin shouldn’t stay period. Look at his role on this team, there isn’t any! He needs to leave find a team who actually uses him as PG and he should not settle for any less than starting role!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Almost no call

  • sport

    Too bad for Lamb he got tricked by Hornets and will be stuck there for 3 years with barely any minutes if they don’t trade him. This is exactly why you don’t sign an early contract during the season. If Lamb saw what was happening now he’d no doubt run as far as he can away from Hornets.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Get used to it everyone. This is a new norm for lin until they don’t get this kind of luck anymore.

  • TTNN

    Rubio? why?

  • Pete Roces

    No need to watch the boring Hornets if Lin is being marginalized. On to next season, hopefully Lin can find his home soon.

  • TTNN

    I really don’t think you need to worry too much, I don’t think Lin will stay. This team don’t really have too much salary space for Lin anyway.

  • sport

    Yet there were some fans insisting on Lin finding someone else to prove he can play well under other coaches. That’s dumb another season and contract of mistreatment and Lin’s career is over. His prime age is coming up and why waste it when you know there’s someone you can fully trust available?! The smartest thing Lin can do for himself is reunite with MDA at all costs and don’t believe any BS other teams or coaches who “flies” to see him. These coaches makes millions and flying anywhere is dirt cheap for them. To think Cliff did all that just to trick Lin into signing with them is sickening! Getting Lin was just for marketing purpose in China.

  • TTNN

    I serious think Hornets will start to unload him sometime, if not next season….. Coach Clifford does not looks like him, and his salary is movable, and he better be moved when people still think he was good in Hornets.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Kemba effect in first & third qtr, then Al and Lamb esp Al in 4th qtr.

  • mma_ko

    I’m not going to jeremylin.net anymore .. it’s all just a bunch of haters with fake accounts … Lin Win is Clutch. He even admitted when he was surprised I knew about that doufus from Houston.

  • Dan Ang

    Thats the whitest team since 1949

  • cdblue10

    I Agree with this,throw away any other ideas other than MDA team.

  • cdblue10

    That site is infested with worms

  • sws94

    I’ll say this. There are certain guys I love with Lin. Fields and Jefferies from the Linsanity team, Ed Davis from the Lakers and Marvin from this team. He’s the only one I really like here. TH is possible but doesn’t play enough. If and when Lin changes teams, if one of those guys were on it that isn’t retired, I’d be all for it.

  • Acbc

    Me too

  • Dan Ang

    No wonder I’m seeing a swarm of new screen names on here.

  • Dan Ang

    The Jeremies are a good pair too.

  • sport

    Both work very well averaging 20+ points when they played together. Then afterwards Lamb was marginalized to not outshine Kemba and then Lin.

  • adele

    They are lucky tonight but hope after this game no more win for hornets unless Lin is playing like a true point guard

  • sport

    Lamb handles the ball because Cliff allowed him to. When Lin was handling the ball as the main PG they worked very well. It’s up to the coach to designate who’s handling the ball.

  • Dan Ang

    Its basically Newton’s 3rd law of motion if you think about it.

  • sport

    Lin’s not going to play PG at all on this team. Might as well wish they lose all games from now on until they are completely out of playoffs picture.

  • Dan Ang

    Lin gives the rock to Lamb who usually finishes it. Win win sitch!

  • Dan Ang

    Imagine how Lamb feels….fat contract and left to collect cobwebs on the bench.

  • sws94

    He has defensive issues too. I think he gets so few minutes now he tries to make the most of them and sometimes ends up trying to do too much. When he had more minutes, he followed Lin’s lead more.

  • sws94

    True.

  • JoeTeam

    the key is mojo for his next team. He has to try. Right now on a bad night where they promote KW ball, JLin sits at 7 off the bench. That means he’s doing a Toney D, and we know he’s better than that. So, I hope he does get into the playoffs and makes a difference to get into 2nd round. Everyone would love that, and then the agents get to work.

  • JoeTeam

    maybe, but every team toughens up so the real game comes out.

  • sport

    Not like Kemba’s defense any better, in fact Lamb can shoot the ball alot more efficiently than Kemba and more athletic. It’s exactly why Kemba was threatened by Lamb after the signing and why Lamb’s marginalized now. Kemba is not a true PG and is really a SG. If Hornets and MJ didn’t play politics they would’ve gotten rid of Kemba ASAP and started Lin and Lamb as their version of Curry and Thompson! Lin shoots better with ball in hand and Lamb is a great catch and shoot player; just compliment each other so well!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    jlin7 (IG) Love this squad!!! Big win! ‪#‎BuzzCity‬ ‪#‎kembaschainsdestroymine‬ ‪#‎troycheeeeesin‬ @troydaniels30 @jeremylamb1 @_kw15 @nicbatum88 @fskpart3 @courtneylee
    https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtl1/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/12795535_1178068042212920_35767139507608974_n.jpg?oh=75e9e25dab5a5cae182ed8e9fa1ee6c8&oe=575FDC42&__gda__=1465458858_d3c0a6601a8813e67c9c034e010192ed

  • sport

    that site doesn’t have any mods doing work, exactly why I ditched that site years ago. Fans want to spend time discussing about Lin’s game, news, and how he can improve; not wasting time defending him against haters.

  • MorlockO

    I see Al Jefferson is having negative impact on the team again and Lin is most affected 🙁

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Zeller isn’t in the pic plus Hansbrough, Gutierrez, Harrison.

  • JoeTeam

    Faith I have … 🙂

  • sport

    Lamb’s contract is pretty big right now but won’t be once new cap space kicks in. His contract is 21Mill while Lin’s with Rockets was 25Mil. Here’s the thing, if Cliff didn’t like Lamb why play him so much before the signing and then push him aside? I think it was Hornets and Cliff tricking Lamb into signing with them just like they tricked Lin. It didn’t take long after signing for Lamb to be benched permanently with even less minutes than Lin.

  • grover chang

    Respect Lin for practicing what he preaches. Nothing but love, when so easy to hate.

  • JoeTeam

    Thanks … so that’s not too many since 83-84. JLin can to it he needs the ball in rhythm! I hope he will get it, always hope!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Glad that JLin’s happiness isn’t affected by how he is treated on court.
    https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/703430762612142080

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  • Dan Ang

    JLIn needs a gold Jesus piece….TV Johnny or Kanye, jump on it quick!

  • Rick Johnson

    I sure hope they beat Houston!

  • Arsenium12 .

    LIn is not a really tall guy so he doesn’t seem like the sort who’d have very large hands. And yet, he can throw such long, accurate, beautiful passes. Count me impressed!

  • Rick Johnson

    No Hawes either.

  • golfhacker

    Lin has a player option after this year. If I’m not mistaken, if Lin chooses to stay, next year the Hornets would only have to pay him roughly $2.5mm. If he opts out, Lin should definitely get much more $ next season on a new team.

  • Yascar

    Looks like he got himself the Hornets earphones that he gave at Christmas as well.

  • LAJane

    Thanks for talking me down, yet again 🙂

  • Barry Allen

    Agreed., trolls have overtaken that site and many have multiple accounts replying to themselves.

  • Barry Allen

    Agreed, I was never a fan of him coming to the Hornets behind Kemba.

  • Rick Johnson

    If the Hornets beat ATL on Sunday and Indiana loses to Portland the Hornets would move into 5th place. Hornets have the best last 10 record in the east at 8-2.

  • Barry Allen

    Well, it doesn’t matter that much because with his mistreatment, Lin will be gone from there next year.

  • Barry Allen

    Replace Rubio in the starting lineup with Lin would be just the start of making that team better.

  • Barry Allen

    No, this team does not recognize his talent at the point.

  • Barry Allen

    Well, Kemba is doing his designated role since he’s being paid a lot as the main PG.

    Lin at main PG will definitely win them more games (as witnessed when Kemba was out and they beat Cavs), but there is too much politics for that to happen outright. Barring and injury from Kemba, Lin full potential will be continually suppressed. That is why I never understood why he joined the Hornets.

  • Phillycheese

    It was the Alfense that killed it for the second unit. Throw it into to Al and never see the ball again. The game was ugly. I must admit I was very disappointed that Lin did not get the opportunity this game to play his style of basketball, as I am usually positive. Lot of crap going on in my life and I needed a pick me up from Lin ball but did not get it.

  • Phillycheese

    I realy did not like the game plan this game. Hated the black hole at centre. Hated the lack of D. That is the worst line up to use Lin in. Like the Lakers almost. I wished Lin had pounded the ball more this game instead of giving it to guys like Frank, Lamb and Al to mess around with. They’re going to bench him anyways, so might as well bench him for playing his game. I know Lin will never do this but he needs to break the game plan once in a while.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Oops! Thanks! I only looked at the names from the Pacers game. Hawes was in the inactive list.

  • blubell

    Short Highlights

  • grover chang

    Lin best basketball gift is between his ears. I am always amazed from tanking lakers, har_en rockets, and Melo Knicks. Lin finds way of making any lineup productive. If Lin could find a way to make ALfense work I will truly be in awe.

  • grover chang

    I guess Lin’s prayers have been answered.

  • your son’s voltaire

    thanks! highlights getting shorter and shorter. had to replay this one a couple of times to get my money’s worth 😀

  • DX

    Yes, it isn’t comfortable watching Lin’s game now. But Lin still have some PT and he will get more if the team wants more wins. Playoff is bigger stage, Lin need to showcase more for other teams. Reunite with MDA is a good wish, but it just has small chance, can’t only depend on this. Only more teams want Lin, make him have better chance.

  • Acbc

    Clifford trying to prove that Lee is the replacement for Lin. Hornets preparing fans already for the inevitable departure of Lin. Clifford and KW already happy to see Lin gone. No more worrying about Lin winning games against the top 2 teams in the east.

  • blubell

    Highlights from JUN LIU

  • grover chang

    Wish Hornets had treated Lin better. I really like these alternate black hornet jerseys and would’ve love to buy a Lin version of one.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    We have Cyclone Winston effect in Southeast Queensland. Very windy, hot and humid!
    https://twitter.com/SEREF737/status/703464972404334592

  • JoeTeam

    happy surfers!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Only for surfers but not regular Queenslanders:-)

  • Rick Johnson
  • JoeTeam

    you’d think by now cliff would know how to run this team …

  • JoeTeam

    1 … 2 … 3

  • leeda harun

    finished watching the highlights. Hornets are lucky to win.So close.

  • leeda harun

    It is still a long journey. The race is getting more competitive than ever.

  • leeda harun

    As a fan, we need to understand lin perseverance and support him

  • leeda harun

    Al is slow.

  • Acbc

    Watched Raptors beat Cavs instead of Horird basketball. Another Mchale PG reject played great to beat Cavs.

  • JoeTeam

    When Cavs play, they are so angry … at least CHA have fun. Same with GSW, they are all smiling.

  • leeda harun

    But lin fans are not smiling like Lin…lol

  • Acbc

    What’s the difference between Hornets basketball and horrid basketball? Well about 8 months. The curse of any team that has marginalized Lin will bite the Hornets next seasons and they’ll revert back to being nobodies again….just the way they earned it.

  • leeda harun

    If lin got offers in the off season than we can discuss this further. February is still far away. My only hope is Lin stays healthy, keep on fighting and persevere.

  • Joe what do you know

    I’m here at GC today….

  • Acbc

    Lin himself isn’t happy either IMO. His faith is strong and it shields him from what we fans feel.

    As competitive as Lin is, I’m sure he has found a way of not allowing others feel powerful when inflicting injustice upon him. Bully’s like trolls feed on your suffering. The best way to belittle their best effort to inflict mental anguish upon you is to pretend it doesn’t affect him.

    Just like trolls on this site, I never directly address them anymore. I pretend they don’t even exist.

  • leeda harun

    nice.

  • leeda harun

    It is not easy to survive in nba..in the court and off the court.

  • Acbc

    It’s just tough to survive Charlette HORRID basketball. Lol

  • KL

    Clifford is obviously tweaking the rotations to maximise Kemba’s effectiveness on the floor. But it is lowering the team’s overall ability. They are barely beating weak teams or mid tier teams. No chance against better teams.

    Another coach who has refused to let Lin outshine the anointed star. Not realising that Lin will make everyone, including Walker, better.

    Lin is stuck with difficult rotations, Al, Kemba (and to a lesser extent Kaminsky) all make it hard to move the ball and stifle Lin’s game. Also they seem to have given up any effort to run actual offensive sets now that Lin is marginalised. That makes scoring for Lin and many others more difficult. No screens, no rolling big man for Lin. Sigh.

  • GIF: JLin’s pinpoint quarterback pass to Lamb over the outstretched arm of a Pacer defender
    http://i.imgur.com/voQAyUR.gif

  • LinMad

    thats the face of “I screwed up didn’t i?”

  • leeda harun

    absolutely amazing. One of jlin’s skills

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    WOW! Seem like you are truly an Aussie:-)

  • Dorothy

    Are they faking? They want to tank, so they should be excited.

  • Joe what do you know

    Errr…. Spent more than 2/3 of my life here… I think I can call myself a true blue Aussie….

  • Rick Johnson
  • Barry Allen

    Hornets will be missing those plays next year.

  • Barry Allen

    Is it just me or is the other site becoming an anti-Lin site? Maybe I am just paranoid but it seems there are so many haters over there.

  • leeda harun

    it is always like that. Meltdown and blaming everytime lin didnt do well.

  • TK Wong

    That was a beautiful pass

  • TK Wong

    Yup

  • K. P. Chan

    Astute observations, Psalm, in pointing out the deficiencies last night!

    It seemed the Hornets did run P&R for Kemba, but inexplicably they didn’t run anything of substance that I could discern in the P&R department for Lin when he and Kem were both on the floor. Nor did they set any screens for Lin throughout the entire time he played. Perhaps that was a function of Big Al being on the floor with him. I suppose part of the reason was Big Al was providing the scoring punch in the post, and they just fell into a habit of dumping the ball to him. I really don’t know.

    I was also not too impressed with Cliffy’s decision in choosing the closing line-up. Tatum was getting almost totally discombobulated at that juncture, losing key possessions; with Kemba being no match for Monte (after Lin shutting down Monte all night!); and playing Lee almost 40 minutes, while Lin barely played over 20 minutes even with his stellar defense.

    Hill had a clear shot at the buzzer, and missed a shot that he normally would have made. But those were the breaks. Cliffy got away with that one in spite of poor coaching decisions.

    In any event, enough griping by me as a LOF! I was glad the team won. The race is so tight that every win is crucial now. I really want to see the Hornets making the playoffs, not that I am such a big Hornet fan, but I want to see Lin in the playoffs, and hopefully even playing a key role in it.

    But most of all, I hope Lin will stay in good health and that his ankle will heal properly. The team is going to need him at his best in the playoffs.

  • adele

    I think Lin is a very down to earth person and also very humble. I was very excited that he joined the hornets at first. I didn’t expect he will be deceived by this coach and this team. Both know what Lin would have wanted during game time. He even accepted a low salary from this non- play off team hoping he can make a big difference to this team. He did not even accept the Memphis offer. But look what this team and coach did? They treated him like a lowly bench player to help their anointed star to shine. That’s not the kind of pitch talk we heard from Clifford at the beginning of this season. Please Lin be wary of these sales pitch next time. Tell your lawyer agents to put in writing the minutes and the starting role and point guard role. Am I asking too much?

  • adele

    I also have faith but not in this team. I have reservations.

  • adele

    I would be very happy if they are not in the play offs because that will knock out Kembas chances for the asg next season. I’m sure they are starting the promotion a year earlier. I didn’t see that coming. Lin did not see that also.

  • adele

    I hope they will not be in the play offs. Perhaps that’s being selfish of me but I don’t want to give this team, Clifford and Kemba the satisfaction. Lin will be a non factor. They are just using him do his popularity and treated him like a helper. He will be a forgotten piece in this team like a non essential item where you can just throw away after its usage.

  • adele

    This team doesn’t really care. All they care about is Kemba.

  • adele

    And besides this is not Lins team. This is not his home. He is treated like a lowly back up. He is paid like a back up.

  • adele

    No point on having the risk of getting injured for this team. No way Jose.

  • Barry Allen

    which will cause their eventual downfall.

  • K. P. Chan

    Adele: I am a LOF, I root for Lin first and the Hornets second (There! I’ve said it!). But the reason why I want to see them in the playoffs is because I think that will help raise Lin’s profile and therefore will boost his FA market value. But of course that will also depend on how he will be used too. I still think Lin’s contribution will be critical even though Cliff has a funny way of showing it. If I am right, then playoffs will be good for Lin.

  • Dorothy

    If Lin is to reunite with MDA, then whether Hornets get to playoff is irrelevant. The way Clifford treats Lin, it will carry over to the playoffs. What will make him play Lin differently in playoffs? He will still ask Lin to do all the dirty work, not make any play for Lin, no pnr, no screen. It will be the same as what we are seeing, just rinse and repeat. I doubt how much it will help Lin’s value in other coaches’ mind.
    Unless Kemba gets injured and Lin becomes starter and lead Hornets, then it will be a totally different story.

  • Dorothy

    and how long it took this site to FINALLY banned Lin Win? This site is starting to loosen up…

  • adele

    Maybe you’re right but the possibility of Lin to shine in this team is like winning the lotto.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • K. P. Chan

    Yes. I am beginning to see and to agree with that, as much as I hope otherwise. His role as a second-tiered player on this team has been casted. His calling card now is his strong defense. In a tight playoff game teams will always need that, I think.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I’ve become more and more pessimistic with JLin’s situation in Hornets. For this I disagree with PVF in his game analysis vid about JLin’s in Hornets. After watching most 57 games and all preseason games, the way JLin was used by Cliff was more predictable. Yes JLin still plays some minutes but not very promising in how he will be utilized. I’m really proud of JLin’s defense. He plays how he is expected to contribute but I would like to see more JLin in offense. I just wish at least 30-50% of his playing time as a pg. Don’t believe he is going to get it in Hornets unless Kemba is out for whatever reasons (I have no wish for anyone to get hurt). That’s why I don’t spend much time in watching games even when I have time to watch it. I only take a glance here and there to get a sense of what is going on in the game. That’s all I can take for Hornets this day.

    As for making it playoffs, I literally have a mixed feeling on that. Well, only have another 25 games, 6.5 weeks to go if there is no playoffs. Can’t wait to see the end of the season. That’s all I can say. Then probably will have another “hope” for better season:-) Seem like history continues to repeat itself.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    That’s true in a sense but you will never know what future will hold. I continue to hope JLin for the best even though my likes of Hornets, Cliff, Kemba, Al… so negatives now. When I saw the pic that JLin posted earlier, I wonder why I can’t celebrate as JLin is. Maybe JLin has suffered so much worse in the past few seasons than we ever let known. So Hornets is the “best” off court/behind the scene thus far. Unless we are JLin, we will never know why he seems happier than before. Obviously he is more matured in every sense. That maybe it. Can’t wait to hear his testimony in Summer. We will learn more then.

  • Yascar

    I feel you Mel but unless Jeremy is waived in the next 48 hours, this is his team until the end of the season. I don’t know how happy he is in there right now (he seems to be content enough), but whatever else us fans may surmise about his situation, I have no doubts whatsoever that Jeremy wants to win and make the playoffs. For that alone, I hope the Hornets make it.

    While he doesn’t have the keys to the offense here, Jeremy is perfectly capable of making magic in a few minutes flat. Fans worry about GMs and coaches not being able to evaluate his play properly – well, he’ll be noticed even less if he doesn’t play in the playoffs even for a few minutes. He can be marginalized as well – true, but at least he’s on the court. A flick of a ball, a little injury on either Kemba or Batum (not that I wish it), fatigue on another player, a bad match-up, may just give him more chances. He can hardly be getting less than what he’s getting now and yet he’s still able to churn out some gif worthy plays.

    The entire NBA season is geared towards the best teams playing on after April. I know I’m in the minority here and I choose not to follow and contribute to game threads here for that reason, but I really think Jeremy’s chances in the offseason become better if they make the playoffs.

  • heart

    After last night game, I’ve come to a conclusion that playoffs will not help Lin w/ PT or increase his value by much. Cliff will use everyone as props to set up KW for glory on an even bigger stage in the playoffs. Lin will do the dirty work in needed stretches, but then he will be taken off the floor immediately similar like last night.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    It’s true that JLin has done his best under the circumstances. I know what JLin can do/contribute but I wish he can fly “free” like bald eagle… I will continue to support JLin in his endeavor as I’m ONLY JLin fan. That says it all:-)

  • heart

    Agree. Don’t need Lin to risk injury for this team.

  • KL

    People here seem to be divided on whether to care if the Hornets make the playoffs. There are valid reasons on both sides of this debate, i.e. Lin being misused vs Lin getting playoff opportunities.

    For me I am just happy that the Knicks, Lakers and Rockets (hopefully) are gonna miss the playoffs.

  • Yascar

    So am I. That’s why I qualify that unless he is waived this is JLin’s team. If for some unforeseen reason he moves to another before this season ends, I’ll follow him there too and hope THAT team makes the playoffs. I wouldn’t even watch Charlotte if it weren’t for the fact that Jeremy is there. But our eagle will have less chances to fly if his season ends on April 3.

    Anyway, to each his own. I understand other people’s point of view but I do know that Jeremy wants a chance to play in the playoffs.

  • heart

    Agree. I’m w/ you on this after last night game. Remember playoffs will be watched worldwide. Cliff and Hornets will make sure Lin will not outshine KW even more. I dread to think that now. It’s a roller coaster ride of emotions watching Lin getting mistreated…

  • Yascar

    Lol good way to stay out of the argument. I don’t actually think there’s much of a division. There are several people who’d rather have the season end now if possible and me on the other side. I don’t like the Hornets necessarily but this is our boy’s team right now. If Jeremy shifts teams in the summer, the Hornets can go play in Antartica for all I care.

    And yes, I find great satisfaction in the Knicks, Lakers and hopefully the Rockets missing the playoffs. Especially the Rockets – I swear my very soul is still bruised from his two miserable seasons in that sorry excuse for a team.

  • heart

    Last night, it was a one possession, 2pts game, to win or lose for Pacers. I thought and really wanted someone from Pacers or Monta Ellis to make a buzzer beater like he did against Rox. But they went w/ Hill? Monta seems to be regressed some. He used to drive and make lots of 3s. However, he did share the ball more on Pacers team.

  • heart

    Like you said “he’s more matured in every sense.” I can understand why Lin seems ‘happier’. It’s his Christian faith and value. He’s been on a faith journey via the vehicle of his bb career. Remember his joy stems from inner faith through his relationship w/ God. He has learned to not allow the circumstances to dictate how he should feel.

  • KL

    I want Charlotte in the playoffs cause Lin might have a couple of good games to help secure his next starting job.

  • GameWatcher

    Despite Lin being marginalized, I still want CHA to make the playoffs. There is always a chance that Clifford could change his mind and the off season is really long.

  • Dorothy

    Clifford could change his mind??? Only if Kemba is … I don’t wish injury, but it is in God’s hand.

  • Barry Allen

    With the Hornet’s lack of utilization of Lin, I don’t really care either way to be honest.

  • Yascar

    Same reason for me. And my other reason is that Jeremy wants it too. You can interpret his tweets any which way, but for sure the man is ultra competitive and wants to win.

  • kauaiblue

    Totally. The mod is letting that place go wild. Not going there anymore. Its like a trollville.

  • kauaiblue

    Its not even that… its wierd trolling… backhanded compliments, they love hornets and other players… its wierd bc there are posters there all the time who are clealry not jlin fans… giving tepid support to jlin but praising walkers, batum, and others as if it was a website for them… almost as if they were being paid to change the narrative that he is not being mistreated…

  • kauaiblue

    Nice.

  • adele

    Lin is just classy in the way he portray himself. I wish I can be that way no matter how down and hurt I am. But I always wear my heart on my sleeves. I’m very transparent.

  • Jim

    He is such a good PG but wont play more than 30mins

  • Jim

    barely backing up since rubio wont play more than 30mins

  • adele

    Yes but his contribution will be forgotten and if they lose the coach will say they don’t put more defense. If they win, it’s all in Kembas stats. Lins score is only below 10 points from now on. Lin can’t shine on this team and physically he will be drained with all the defense running and chasing players.

  • KHuang

    It’s mostly haters over there.

    They are angry whether Lin plays well or not.

  • adele

    Change Clifford’s mind? That’s a fantasy. If he changes his mind, he would have done that a long time ago. No, this coach will never let Lin shine.

  • adele

    If it happens it happens but the rockets when he was with them and they are in the play offs did that secure Lins starting position? No!

  • occupatio

    i havent been watching games lately. so, lee is closing games now instead of lin?

  • KHuang

    I have a different reason than anybody else for wanting Lin to make the playoffs.

    I wrote in 2013 that Lin would find playoff basketball “easier” than the regular season. Boy did that get the Lin hate trolls firing against me. And when Lin got injured, I got flamed the next season all year long until I proclaimed it again in 2014.

    But then Lin had that monster MVP level series against Portland where he went Linsanity and was Houston’s best player by far. That completely shut up the haters on their cockamanie notion that “Lin cannot handle playoff basketball”.

    See, the playoffs are more tightly and fairly officiated than the regular season. The game is thus more physical for other players, but it’s SOFTER for Lin since he actually can get to the line despite the requisite uncalled Flagrant 2s that will always hit him.

    So even if Lin is playing only 15-20 minutes in the playoffs, he’ll likely pad his stats and put the team ahead no matter how poorly Walker and Batum play.

  • KHuang

    Yes, and that’s why Charlotte’s lead was pissed away by Lee and the starters.

    Had Marvin Williams not gotten lucky hot against rookie Myles Turner, the Hornets would have lost by 20.

  • KHuang

    Ellis is still Ellis.

    He just can’t get into rhythm against the Hornets because Lin shuts him down for large swaths of the game.

  • Yascar

    Last game yes but not in Lee’s first game with the Hornets. So 50-50 right now.

  • KHuang

    Without Lin, this exact same Hornets team would be a .300 team.

  • heart

    Remember, Lee didn’t do much last night and got almost 40 minutes of PT. He was there for defense too, but his defense didn’t seem to be any better than Lin. And he has already been given starter status and minutes after 3 games in. After 57 games and counting w/ an addition of Lee, it’s highly unlikely that Lin will get any PT in playoffs, only in stretches and if and only someone is injured. Barring any unexpected events/injury, no more wishing and hoping that Cliff will do anything different from now or we’ll be really upset after every game win or lose.

  • KHuang

    Lin’s being PHASED OUT.

  • KHuang

    Administration, POTENTIAL TROLL ALERT.

    This person is a longtime Lin hate troll on the other board.

  • occupatio

    i didnt think much of the trade for lee, but given that lin is but a rental, the lee trade makes sense.

  • KHuang

    One does not have to be a LOF to root for Lin and hate the Hornets basketball.

    The Hornets play ugly selfish isolation basketball that cannot win games unless someone like Marvin Williams gets lucky hot from 3 which is very seldom.

    I as a generalized NBA fan always root for these ugly isolation teams to lose whether Lin is on them or not.

  • KHuang

    It’s still not helping the team win.

    So far, Lee has played like a BUST.

  • KL

    Not exactly accurate. Lin left the Rockets on a trade to the tanking Lakers. He had no say in the trade.

    By the time he had a choice in the next offseason, his time with the Lakers had smeared his reputation even more that he did not have that many offers. I hoping for better circumstances for the next free agency.

  • adele

    Play offs games are dirty. A big risk for injury. I must be very protective of Lin getting hurt specially on this team who doesn’t really care about his career. Lin might want to be in the playoffs because he likes to play but he already make his mark and sometimes when you are a strategic player you back off to gain momentum and energy. Why do you think Pop rest his star players? To avoid injury and have more energy. Pop is very strategic in the way he handles games. That’s why he is able to preserve his old players. I hope Lin will adopt the strategic moves in basketball like the way pop is doing.

  • kauaiblue

    For me, no playoffs… jlin rest and work on his machievellian side… lol…

  • kauaiblue

    Me neither… hornets have got to be the most boring team out there.

  • adele

    I don’t mean the Lakers. I mean here in this team. And even during the free agency after the lakers.

  • KHuang

    Playoff basketball FAVORS Lin, actually.

    Like I wrote earlier, Lin always has it EASIER in the playoffs because the games are more tightly officiated.

    Lin still gets illegally bashed in the playoffs, but it’s much less than the regular season which features Lin being deliberately race bashed by refs.

    For the Hornets, the intensity of playoff basketball will crush all their players except for Lin, Kaminsky, and Lamb.

  • Yascar

    Yeah I agree to an extent. I think they know there’s a big possibility he’s not staying. But Lee doesn’t have Lin’s playmaking and iirc is a free agent this summer himself.

  • KHuang

    Lin will likely play so little, he’ll end up resting despite terrific stats.

  • adele

    I’d rather want him to not be in the play offs and plan to go to China and be here by the free agency.

  • Yascar

    I don’t think he has one lol.

  • Yascar

    They’re boring but not half as entertaining as the Lakers and the Sixers this season. That’s like watching Dumb and Dumber basketball edition.

  • K. P. Chan

    That’s probably, true, heart. But if anyone will be saying Lin helps the team to make the playoff because of some clutch plays or some great defense assignments, then it cannot hurt.

  • K. P. Chan

    I’ve always felt (guessed) that one of the reasons for Lin’s shooting woes, aside from all the talk about his new shooting form, is the drain on his energy from playing tireless defense. But if that helps him earn playing time in the crowded backcourt, I will settle for that for now. Hopefully he will find his stroke again soon.

  • heart

    In the first half, Pacers guarded KW tightly w/ smaller guards blocking his paths to the basket, so he couldn’t get going, and had to give up the ball. Luckily MW was hot in his 3s shooting, so he gave KW almost half of the assists. Then, it was a poor decision by Vogel to put Miahmi one big man to guard KW in the second half. You saw Cliff’s design to have all the Hornets bunch up on one side of the court to leave the paint empty for KW to drive. Cliff basically designed almost every play and used bigs to screen and play PnRs w/ KW to set him up for scoring. Yet, KW only had 8/21 FGM-A for 22pts.

  • K. P. Chan

    That’s right, Kuang. I am so not in love with this team right now, being a LOF or not. Selfish plays have never appealed to me.

  • KL

    I mean, I am just speculating but I feel that Lin had less interest in the past offseason (and had to settle for Charlotte) because of the Lakers’ terrible record last season. The media narrative on Lin seems better this season and I think it is partly because Charlotte is a playoff team.

  • sws94

    Cheer up. He made a football pass last night. He’ll have those moments. And, I believe, maybe I’m delusional but I believe there’s more Lin for the win type situations to come. I’m not mad at the Hornets. Dennis Green said the Bears are who we thought they were and the Hornets are who I thought they were. I go to their boards and the posters write Lin fans now got a taste of the frustration of Alfense and they say we love Lin, we want him back, get him 4 other guys to play with consistently so he can do his thing. He’s appreciated, even beyond forums like this one.

    If he’s on the court to play, magic can happen. And there are more games to go.

  • I didn’t watch the game but was keeping tabs of play-by-play and posters on this blog. I am disappointed that Lin didn’t get much play or get to close. The reading of the negative posts and panicking made me feel worse.

    Here’s a positive spin, to add to what sws94 said. Given probabilities, people will get injured or have off nights. Everybody does. The problem is keeping people healthy, not having too many healthy people. That makes me a little more okay with Lin playing fewer minutes in a game like yesterday, a game where other healthy people can take on the load and win the game. Lin can take some time to heal his ankle and rest. Back-to-back games are coming, and we want Lin to be at top physical condition. This way, Lin will be ready when his time comes.

  • occupatio

    on the face of it, lee is a rental but theres usu an undisclosed agreement about staying in situations like this. u dont give away two picks to get a rental.

  • KHuang

    You don’t need the negativity.

    That negativity is generated solely by LIN HATE TROLLS.

    Lin’s playing great teamball on both ends of the court, as he always has.

    For a player who is deliberately frozen out, playing out of position, not allowed to touch the ball, has no plays run for him, and has to fight opponents who already have momentum from the starters playing terrible, Lin’s doing as humanly well as any player possibly could.

    I’m totally happy with Lin’s output in this situation that is totally out of his control.

  • KHuang

    No he’s not.

    Lin is a GREAT PLAYER who will always make spectacular plays no matter how few minutes or touches he gets.

    Every game, Lin does something amazing. And it’s so routine for Lin, even Lin fans take it for granted.

    But I who am not a LOF, I don’t take them for granted because I know how few players can make these plays at all, let alone consistently like Lin does.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nah, I hate the fact that I have to hope for any less talent to get injured so lin can play more?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You can enjoy his play in the highlights but I am looking for his opportunity to play his game, his involvement, his contributions to team win.

  • KHuang

    If no NBA team offers Lin a fair contract according to the typical wages that a nonAsian player gets, Lin absolutely should go overseas.

    NO MORE ASIAN DISCOUNT.

  • sws94

    Andrew isn’t negative, KHuang.

    This is Lin’s 4th full season. He hasn’t had one system, coach, core of team mates to play with nor has he played one particular position. The NBA doesn’t see him like we do, that’s the whole “disconnect” with dedicated forums such as this one and the corporation he plays in.

    He’s not had a breakout season but he also hasn’t had stability which lends itself to conditions for one. He’s played well this season and has been a huge contributor to the Hornets. It’s tough for any fan to be enthusiastic about that if they don’t like the team he plays for.

    I take an approach of find the guy you like on the team. I like Marv. So, even if Lin isn’t on the floor with him I can at least root for Marv. And enjoy what Lin gives you while knowing it isn’t in the framework of how he’s proven to perform best. Just every so often, those conditions present themselves. Or moments in a game.

    The NBA and Lin aren’t on the same page. So, next team, don’t get expectations up so much. That’s my friendly advice to folks here. Cause you may be setting yourselves up for disappointment. And I don’t say that lightly and I say it with utmost respect.

  • KHuang

    What makes you think I don’t look for those things either?

    Spectacular highlights and solid fundamental team winning basketball go together in Lin’s case.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No one here complaining lin’s output.

  • right, it’s bad to hope someone gets injured (lesser talent or not!). i’m thinking more probabilistically. it just will be the fact that some people will get tired or injured or will have off nights. My hope, then, is that Lin will shine in those moments.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Because only delusional would be happy lin’s current situation

  • Parent of Lots of Kids

    @sws94, i concur with you. I join in your perspective.

  • KHuang

    Agree.

    We Lin fans have to guard ourselves against the hordes of haters constantly trashing his game.

    Lin fans have long had ZERO expectations for Lin’s teams. We Lin fans bluster about what Lin could do when included as a normal player, but all of us Lin fans know deep down that it will never happen due to Lin’s race.

    Some Lin fans get frustrated that Lin isn’t doing more. Those fans don’t realize that Lin is doing as much as any player can humanly do. If Stephen Curry or LeBron James were stuck in Lin’s race hated position and had their plays and minutes and touches taken away from them, they’d struggle much worse than Lin does.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    There are more games like last night game to go.

  • sws94

    I think it is a great probability he will because he’s already done so.

  • KHuang

    Lin’s already having those winning moments NOW.

    The only difference is that his reduced minutes and touches aren’t allowing him to get into rhythm over the game.

    Lin’s doing fine, playing WINNING BASKETBALL as he always does.

  • KHuang

    GOOD, I’m OK with that!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He did have those moments when they played against Toronto and Cleveland and then what? Yeah lastnight will be his new norm as bench.

  • KHuang

    That’s not Lin’s call.

    All we can do is hope that Lin does the best he can in whatever minutes he’s given.

    Lin’s doing that, so I’m totally OK with that.

    And frankly, I am TIRED of Lin constantly having to save the Hornets from themselves.

    Let the $2 million player be phased off this putrid Hornets team.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Then you and I have different reason to follow lin. As you said you’re not lof, I’m.

  • sws94

    If you aren’t in the flow of the offense, you’re going to pick your spots. That’s what Lin is doing. Even as PG Lin can sometimes not be in the flow of the offense because the plays aren’t executed and when broken, doesn’t come back to Lin to reset.

    Touches create rhythm creates consistency. No touches, how can Lin be in the flow? So, yes, this being the case, Lin is playing quite well.

  • i think, then, not that the new norm will be the bench, but that he will still have opportunities to shine, just as he did in toronto and cleveland.

    a hope of mine is that one of those times to shine will be during the playoffs.

    and i do hope that lin can find a team where he can be the main point guard.

  • sws94

    Thanks.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I’m nowhere near ok with that. That’s my opinion and frustration for lin.

  • Bulldog

    Agree. Look at Knicks, Lakers and Rockets, they read the map wrong and put all their chips on the wrong bet. The outcomes are catastrophic. Anthony, Kobe(after ACL) and Har_en are all fool’s gold. They put great numbers every night, mostly given by the opponents to distroy their chemistry, and think themslves superstars.
    Lin may not be the most talented or athelete players in NBA. But he has one of the strongest heart and mindset as a winner in this league.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They got Lee and praising about the move. Last night was the signature game of their new agenda, lin will not close game with Kemba in most games if not all.

  • KHuang

    Great post.

    Given how little Lin touches the ball, it’s amazing that he puts up as many points and assists as he does.

    Last game, Lin would have had at least two more assists had Al Jefferson not gone inexplicably cold. Usually Jefferson scores big with Lin out there, plus Jefferson will happily assist Lin too.

  • KHuang

    Look, I’m just as frustrated about Lin’s diminishing role as you are.

    I regard that as a coaching issue, not as something Lin can control.

    I can like a player despite his coach hating on him, and I have special toxic dislike of players like Walker and Batum who have unlimited privileges from the coach but still PLAY LIKE CRAP.

  • KHuang

    GOOD, that means that Lin doesn’t have to protect Kemba’s TERRIBLE play.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Your first sentence should be: If you’re NOT allowed to be in the flow of the offense and to be put in the corner by the coach…..

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Don’t care about kemba and the Hornets, lin’s opportunity is all I care.

  • KHuang

    Trust me, you don’t even have to hope for that.

    Lin’s dealing with yet another shift in his role due to the trades and Al Jefferson suddenly being an eager new teamball player off the bench.

    Once Lin’s teammates fully adjust to Lin, Lin’s numbers will go up even in reduced minutes.

    Lin might not average high teens in points like he was as a 30ish minute starter, but he’ll easily score double figures and have the bench playing great in the 15-20 minutes he’ll get as a backup SG.

  • KHuang

    And that’s why I don’t want Lin getting MESSED UP by Walker’s selfish defenseless freezout play.

  • Bulldog

    Steve Clifford is not an intellegent person. His strategy is predictable, he has no creativity and linear lineup thinking.
    Most coaches are more knowledgable than their players. Not noly in tactics but also in histroy and in phsycology. Lin has a Harvard degree and fantastic court vision, He apparently has more insights than most coaches ( if not all of them). McHale, Scott and Clifford must feel stressful when giving instructions to Jeremy. Understanable.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Sws is doing everything to justify this coach and you’re agreeing with him.

  • KHuang

    Because sws94 thinks that if Lin produces more, he’ll get his role and minutes back.

    That’s one of the areas sws94 and I disagree on.

    Anybody who watches Hornets games knows that the better Lin does at PG, the less Clifford plays him there because Clifford feels that a pouting beaten down Kemba Walker is a threat to Clifford’s job security.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    For that you’re ok with lin on the bench?

  • KHuang

    Yes.

    When Lin plays with the starters, it’s WASTED MINUTES because they do everything they can to avoid letting him touch the ball.

  • KHuang

    If Lin were not Asian, the Lee trade would be MOCKED as a DOWNGRADE because Lin was scoring in the high teens and winning as a low usage SG starter!

    Everybody would be like “Courtney Lee stinks compared to Charlotte’s REAL starting SG!”

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I appreciate your honesty and speak what you meant. Like I said you and I have different reasons following lin’s bb career.

  • KHuang

    We’re not as different as you say we are.

    The only difference between you and I is that you still have hope for Lin getting a fair contract while I KNOW that Lin WILL NOT get another fair contract offer ever again due to his race.

    Since Lin’s time in the NBA is running out, I want to see Lin play as much teamball and as little selfish isoball as possible.

  • KHuang

    From what I’ve seen, Big Al and Lin are doing very well together.

    It’s the younger guys like Lamb and Kaminsky that are still trying to figure out how to play with Jefferson after a season of Spencer Hawes.

    Despite Batum playing atrociously and selfishly as the 2nd unit PG, Lin is starting to pull the new bench together.

  • KHuang

    I have a strong suspicion that we are watching Lin’s LAST DAYS in the NBA.

    I don’t think Lin will be offered a contract AT ALL if he opts out.

    If he opts in, the Hornets will replace him anyway with a higher paid lower producing veteran guard and or draft a rookie guard to take Lin’s place. Lin would then play a Brian Roberts role on the Hornets, the difference being that Roberts was tradable and Lin isn’t.

    NBA front offices just cannot deal with the idea of an Asian American in the NBA. There’s too much negative racial peer pressure for any team to take Lin on.

    I’m not trolling. I’m just stating what I think I’m seeing.

  • Brent Yen

    Don worry! his will still play in NBA…unless he retires himself LOL

  • KHuang

    Jefferson has not played for a while and is getting back into shape.

    Once he fully gets back into shape, he’ll play even better with Lin.

  • KHuang

    Are you sure about that?

    If Lin returns to the Hornets next year, he’ll be a DNP CD because Clifford doesn’t want Lin kicking Kemba Walker’s butt in games anymore.

  • aras

    this is far fetched. did you not write the same thing when Lin was on the lakers?

    Lin is going to be on the league for a long time, it’s all up to him in my opinion.

  • sport

    Pretty sure there will be at least 1 team who wants him and that’s MDA’s team. No matter starting or backup pretty sure MDA will offer Lin a legit PG role with lots of PnR.

  • Brent Yen

    Let’s just say I have high confidence on that 😛

  • KHuang

    Any nonAsian free agent with Lin’s stats would have LAUGHED at Rich Cho’s Asian discount offer and immediately halted negotations as an INSULT.

    That’s what Corey Brewer did with the Clippers when they lowballed him, and Brewer isn’t half the player than Lin is.

    Lin really shouldn’t be playing for just $2 million. It’s INSULTINGLY LOW for a player of his statistical production.

  • KHuang

    But does MDA’s boss Jerry Colangelo want Lin?

    My suspicion is no, Colangelo doesn’t think Lin is good enough to play on the NBA.

  • sport

    I disagree with you on this one you being way too extreme. So long as MDA is on a team, Lin will get a fair contract. I don’t see Lin getting max unless he become All-Star and averaging 20+ PPG for at 1 season which he hasn’t.

  • KHuang

    Good, because I have NO CONFIDENCE in the NBA concerning its history of discrimination.

  • sport

    So long as MDA has power to allow Lin to start and play PnR I’m sure he will shine again. Just hope MDA is as close with Jerry Colangelo as we hear in the media

  • Brent Yen

    I would not count on MDA either, he is pretty much as hated by NBA anyway…he could not even save himself

  • KHuang

    I think you are being unhealthily optimistic in your hope that MDA’s team will get Lin.

    There is no evidence that Sixers GM Sam Hinkie or Sixers president Jerry Colangelo think Lin is good enough to conpete in the NBA.

  • aras

    Did Lin not want that for himself? what with the poison pill contract and people putting him down because of it? he has been good this season and there will be teams that will want him on their team. It’s all up to Lin if he wants to play for a team where he can play PG. I Asked my brother today who is a Big basketball fan. I asked him about Lin, now he is not a Lin fan but he likes his playstyle, said he reminds him a lttle of nash in his style. And one thing he said that i agree with is that If Lin Went to a mid level team like nets or something His stat would be Real good. Thats what i think he should do really. Go to a team Like nets and His stats will rise up. NBA is all about the stats.

  • sport

    Lin wasn’t looking at money and more of what the team offered him. He thought he’d be able to play his game with Hornets but he was so wrong and was lied to again. Time again we know that the guy with the biggest contract gets to lead the team. It’s also exactly why Harden the max gets more power than Howard who only signed 4 years with last year being opt-out.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is a multiple talent pg/shooting guard. He will be a great luxury backup pg for any team that does not have shoot first pg like kemba. You’ll be surprised how many team would love to have this veteran pg. That’s his worst case scenario.

  • KHuang

    There were many nonAsian free agents putting up less stats than Lin and earning much more.

    Lin had only one contract to choose: the Hornets insultingly lowball offer. There were no other formal offers that were reported, which means they did not exist.

    You don’t understand that Lin DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

  • KHuang

    I don’t think you are right.

    NOBODY can get over the Asian thing.

  • aras

    I dont get where you got that information from. please give proof of this. that lin only got one offer.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    We’ll see in July

  • KHuang

    SEE?

    The same Dennis Schroeder who is smaller, weaker, frailer, slower, and less proven than Lin.

    Let’s not forget how Lin BADLY SCHOOLED Schroeder in that game earlier this season.

  • Peter Truong From Riverside CA

    In a way, I’m glad JLin is not in JLamb situations. Getting an extension and not getting mins like JLin that makes only $2 mills.

  • KHuang

    My experience is racists is that they never stop hating Asians.

  • KHuang

    Lin’s been in worse than that.

    He had Patrick Beverley unfairly take his job, and Bev was a nobody who plays like a nobody.

    At least Lin PROVED that he deserved to take Lamb’s job, though I am Lamb’s biggest fan and would like to see Batum and Walker’s minutes reduced so that Lamb can play and produce more.

    If Lin had Lamb’s contract, I’d still grumble that Lin was underpaid for a player of his statistical production but would be largely OK with it.

    Lamb is not 3.5 times better than Lin, according to the dollars.

  • sws94

    And maybe tomorrow?

  • KHuang,
    I see a conflict between two things you strongly believe in.

    1) The NBA is strongly and pervasively racist.
    2) Lin’s talent, perseverance, and will to not give up in his goal to succeed in the NBA.

    I think that your suspicion is that (1) will win over (2). I still think that (2) will win over (1).

  • aras

    True they are not. But i think he knows at the back of his head, Like hey if i had a breakout year things might start to happen. This is not a team for lin, And i hope Lin knows that as well. Sure good guys of the court. But on the court it’s different. But we’ll see i’ll still say Lin needs a team where he is Starting PG wether it be a good or bad team he needs to take it.

  • KHuang

    Probably not, as the Hornets are freezing out Lin and playing terrible isolation selfish defenseless basketball.

  • Peter Truong From Riverside CA

    We JLin fans think differently compare JLamb fans.

  • grover chang

    Then go to China and I will wait to see Lin play against team USA.

  • KHuang

    Hrmph, you don’t know how the NBA works.

    Hoopshype and NBA.com report ALL legitimate rumors, including Dallas’s very real interest in signing and trading for Lin until DeAndre Jordan backed out and Dallas formally rescinded its offer.

    Lin’s parents can talk all they want about teams being “interested” in Lin. But unless a FORMAL CONTRACT OFFER is reported, serious interest does not exist.

    The Mavs were the only teams that were formally reported as interested in Lin, and they RESCINDED their offer.

    And as far as nonAsians earning far more money on far less stats than Lin, go look up people like Marco Belinelli or Cory Joseph or even Lin’s teammate Jeremy Lamb. Those are formally reported too in Hoopshype and NBA.com.

    Hoopshype.com is the best rumor mill. It’s what NBA players themselves use.

  • KHuang

    I AM a Jeremy LAMB fan, and I’m totally OK with Jeremy Lin taking his minutes.

    Lin is a GREAT PLAYER and there is no shame for any guard in being Lin’s understudy.

    Lamb is not quite a great player, but he’s very good and produces a ton.

    I see Walker and Batum’s excessive minutes as being the cause for Lamb’s low minutes, not Lin “taking” minutes from Lamb.

  • aras

    bahahah you are laughable man i swear. Number 1. Write with some damn respect, You talk like you are a prophet or something. We’ll see what happens. I still say Lin gets offers this off season.

  • KHuang

    That’s one way of looking at it.

    But I also see Lamb’s benching as positive from the standpoint that he’s really shining alongside Jeremy Lin and is getting to play the game the right way.

  • KHuang

    Sorry, but 2 HAS NOT WON YET.

    Lin cannot singlehandedly battle an entire league of racist haters.

  • aras

    Yeah i could see Lin in Pels. Bucks as well but someone wrote they like Tall PG’s. I think he will have offers to choose from, but we’ll see.

  • well, we’ll see!

  • sport

    Pretty sure Lin already said if he was retiring from NBA he’d go join his brother in Taiwan. The Lin brothers would surely give the NBA a run for their money during basketball World Cup.

  • Singapore BB Fan

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  • KHuang

    Not possible.

    Lin would have to renounce American citizenship to do that.

  • sport

    If Lin was looking for a breakout year then he should shoot the ball at least 15 times per game yet we never see him stat pad. If Parson never stat pad he would’ve never gotten out of Houston and his big contract. It’s just how the NBA works. Yet Lin seem to be too stubborn to do what’s best for his career in a cruel NBA world where stats is the only thing that matters.

  • xeroid

    You are correct anyone else would have laugh at Hornet’s offer. Lin probably could have signed for 5 million with some other team, but money is not that important when you earned 25 million for the last 3 years, and Lin decided to sign for less money to push Hornets to playoff, and he will. I predict Lin will be instrumental in pushing Hornet beyond the first round. He will get 8 million or more next year, that’s my prediction.

  • KHuang

    It would be nice, but I’m not expecting it.

  • aras

    Lin getting good stats does not have to mean that it detrements the team he is on. More freedom having the ball in your hands more, Making plays and so on has a greater impact on your stats compared to standing on the corner. Because Lin is not someone who stands in a corner it’s not his game.

  • KHuang

    You’re the one TROLLING with no respect.

    You say that Hoopshype and Nba.com are FRAUDS? What is wrong with you, aras?

    Don’t you know that NBA.com is the OFFICIAL site of the NBA itself and that Hoopshype is USA Today’s regularly updated site that collects LEGITIMATE rumors from around the web? Why else do you think NBA players like Andrew Bogut say that they regularly check Hoopshype to search for their own trade rumors???

    I’ve been following Hoopshype for the last 5 years and NBA.com for the last 10. The only rumors they reported was the Dallas one.

    In your lamebrained attempt to troll, you WILLFULLY IGNORE official NBA rumor sources. YOU are the disrespectful nutjob, not me.

    I’m tired of you trolls FIRING DISINFORMATION on Lin forums.

  • LinJa

    For those who said Lin has gained coach trust and teammates when he was posting linsane numbers and win. I told ya he was gonna get marginalized and frozen. I’m done with the hornets. Cliff has no excuse to not utilize Lins PG plays over any other hornets player. Clearly political. The hate for hornets and cliff is justified. It takes an act of God for Lin to start as pg and that is Kemba out for the year. No ill will against Kemba, just being realistic.

  • DX

    Understand your frustration after watching these games after ASB. I am sure you will feel better if Lin has another game like vs. CAVS, RAPTORS.

  • xeroid

    Lin will not return to Hornets unless they offered a market contract after Lin opted out. Kemba has been a Hornet for a while and they are going nowhere without Lin.

  • aras

    Yes i am trolling oooooh you got me KHUANG DAAAAAMN YOU! my god A rumour is a rumour pardon me for not taking it 100% at face value. I did not say that hoopshype or NBA is a fraud, you assumed i did but nowhere did i write that. Like i said before I believe Lin will have offers this offseason how is that trolling khuang?

  • LinJa

    Another fact, hornets lied to Lin. They said that they know how to use Lin and will implement it. That’s why Lin chose hornets. Cliff used Lin in the worst inconsistent way. It’s true there are injuries, but Lin has played many different positions all over the team from bench to starter to closing on and off. Sure call it matchup, I call that BS.

  • Acbc

    Khuang, you have no confidence in American race relations. This aspect of your thought pattern has coloured your basketball intelligence.

    I agree that the league has and will continue to discount Lin. But nooooo, they will not run Lin out of the league. Lin’s too stubborn and he is well aware of the disrespect he receives. You and any one that questions Lin’s Harvard intelligence ignore the fact that he doesn’t play for money. If he was interested in money, he’d plaster his face on all sorts of ads and make millions on endorsements. Lin could make 10 times the money he could but chooses not to for multiple reasons. I still remember how David letterman wore Lin’s number on the back of his suit, but Lin refused to be on any talk shows.

    Lin sees himself as a pioneer and a trailblazer. He knows full well what that means in US race relations. What annoys me is how so call Lin fans project their own materialistic values on Lin when he has consistently left money on the table to pave way for the next generation of Asian players.

    Lin will play as a bench warmer just because he knows it’s what will make other Asians to follow easier.

  • Acbc

    MDA is getting a chance with Jerry Colangelo because they have a history, they have mutual respect. Lin and MDA has the same dynamics.

    MDA stood up to bad management. Look where those teams are now! Can we say justified and “I told you so?” Melo and Kobe killed their teams. MDA tried to save them from themselves. The teams that let MDA walk got exactly what they deserve…..just as all the teams that let Lin get away.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The truth hurts but it has to be said.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Being Lamb is better, he’s allowed to shoot every time he touches the ball.

  • Acbc

    MDA is getting a chance with Jerry Colangelo because they have a history, they have mutual respect. Lin and MDA has the same dynamics.

    MDA stood up to bad management. Look where those teams are now! Can we say justified and “I told you so?” Melo and Kobe killed their teams. MDA tried to save them from themselves. The teams that let MDA walk got exactly what they deserve…..just as all the teams that let Lin get away.

    What is strength? Is it selling out like Clifford, BS, Mchale, Woodson? MDA stood up to what he believe was the best for the team. That to me is true strength, not how long the brownnosers keep their jobs. MDA may in fact be the only coach for Lin precisely becuase he knows what Lin can do and will stand up to FO meddling. IMO, MDA is the strongest coach there is for Lin.

  • Brent Yen

    I understand, just two diff stories….I like what MDA has done and I hate what NBA has done to him

  • spiderman

    I wouldn’t be surprised if teams try to low-ball Lin to play back-up to another fabricated “superstar”. The NBA has become more like the WWF than a meritocracy, with the gullible public buying into this. But Lin inspires us to hope for and attempt the best…
    Lin leaves the rest in God’s hands.

  • BobbyH

    In this 21st century, business overruns race. I would agree with you if it is 20 years ago. But with the rise of China and proliferation of advanced technology and feverish globalization, I really doubt any NBA team will pass Lin, even as a backup PG.

  • Uh-Oh

    Great post!

  • Arsenium12 .

    The interviews with Jeremy LIn and others that resulted in the ESPN feature article by Pablo Torre took place just about a year ago (Feb – Mar, 2015). I’m thankful that while Lin’s situation in Charlotte is certainly less than ideal it’s also much more tolerable than in LA.

    Here is a link to the article : http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks . A couple of excerpts that might be relevant to his present situation are shown below.

    ——————–

    “I’ve always wanted to be a starting point guard, I’ve always wanted to win championships, I’ve always wanted to be an All-Star,” Lin says. “I’ve always wanted to be great. And for three straight years, I’ve put in a lot of work, but I haven’t seen the results on the court.” He sighs. “I mean, that’s a long time, right? The average NBA career is five years. It’s not like I’m an accountant and I can be an accountant ’til I’m 67 years old.”

    ——————–

    As the clock ticked toward 3 a.m. in Lin’s hotel room [in China], his mom, Shirley, handed him the phone for his inaugural conversation as a Laker. “Oh my gosh,” Mike D’Antoni told Jeremy, in his unmistakable West Virginia twang. “I can’t believe we missed each other.”

    “You hate to miss an opportunity to coach somebody that receptive, that good,” D’Antoni says. “He’s one of those special point guards.”

    “You give him the confidence that comes with not looking over your shoulder,” D’Antoni says, “and you get the special qualities he’s shown his whole life. Great, great things can happen.”

  • Uh-Oh

    You keep it real!

  • Uh-Oh

    Disagree wholeheartedly.

  • KHuang, there’s an ongoing narrative that “Jeremy Lin is a nice backup PG, but no more than that”
    I heard this a few times from NBA fans while watching games.

    It has been perpetuated since the HOU 2nd year when he ‘lost’ the starting PG to PBev (due to Harden’s jealousy & penchant of not playing defense) then reinforced by BScott who benched JLin to support tanking and facilitate Kobe’s wish after the criticism.

    I don’t think Lin will be out because teams want to use his strength as a backup PG but they’re reluctant to give him a starting PG with a chance to shine due to the same secondary discrimination (i.e. not flashy enough to score, etc.)

    Hopefully 1-2 teams will give JLin a chance to prove himself with the ball in his hands.
    If Linsanity can happen with divine intervention, I have no doubt it can happen again (when he’s given the chances and right system/coaches)

  • sws94

    Nets announcers thought so, they are partial to Lin however. I think the general direction of NBA execs is to use Lin in a way that most fans think is marginalizing him and if that’s the case, his best possible usage is what I’ve been saying for a long time and that is a bench player that closes most games. But I may be wrong. I think he can get a starting PG on a bad club, but Lin’s experience with the Lakers and losing was one of the low points of his career and I’m not sure he’ll want to put up empty stats on a bottom-dwelling team.

  • Uh-Oh

    Disagree, still relevant. Still what he wants.

  • sws94

    That is the hope, but 1-2 teams is a slim amount of options. Lin may not even be used as backup PG. He may be used as bench combo guard. So he’ll play some PG, but maybe a lot of times some other position. Especially now since Hornets are proving Lin is a formidable defender.

    Lin can start on low-seed teams. But he deserves better and may just hate losing so much that he may not go in that direction. That’s where I think fans shouldn’t think for Lin, and let what happens happen. We all have strong desires and that’s wonderful, but we aren’t in Lin’s mind/heart/soul as he is feeling now to really know what direction he’ll go in.

    If he chooses not to start, I don’t think we should be disappointed to the point we write him off as a player to be forever marginalized. But that’s up to each fan.

  • “I’ve always wanted to be a starting point guard, I’ve always wanted to win championships, I’ve always wanted to be an All-Star,” Lin says.

    I think it’s still relevant until he changes his mind publicly, especially since he has always repeated these goals since his rookie year. It’s his dream since childhood so it’s very understandable.

    Add on top of that his recent comments that “he’s not ready to call Charlotte home yet” and “all players want to start”, I think he’s being nice by not being vocal during the season because he wants to help his team win.

    IMO we can only go by what he said publicly. If he says it’s hard to find NBA teams that will give him a starting PG position so he’ll have to find the backup PG that will suit his strength in July 2016, then we would have to accept it as fans. But until then, we can only go by what he said on the record until he changes his mind.

  • kauaiblue

    So true! Lol

  • kauaiblue

    Everyone does… evil laugh….

  • kauaiblue

    Lol… no exertion or injury… not for this team…

  • freemind

    OT. can someone explain why Lin has 7000 bobble heads giveaway in Hou? I can’t imagine Hornet willing to throw in this amount of expense on promo. Is Hou investing in this for ticket sales?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is what I have been saying about your comments for so long, “bending backward” would be understatement.

    LA never lied to get Lin to play for them plus $15M. The Hornets did and they did with many lies and promises including the lowest pay cut down to $2M.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He knew what he wanted when he decided to join the Hornets. The difference now is they are doing the opposite with what they promised him.

  • KHuang

    Not shown to be true yet.

    The NBA is run by old washed up executives and owners from 20 years ago. They still view Lin as the FOREIGN ASIAN ENEMY as do so many Americans do from the Vietnam War generation.

    It’ll take another 20 years for the current anti Lin executives to wash out of the NBA.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Stop bending backward defending the liars, the Hornets and Clifford.

  • KHuang

    No troll.

    You demanded proof, I gave it, and then you said that my sources Hoopshype and NBA.com were “laughable”.

    What is it about hoopshype and Nba.com you find “laughable?” Those are serious sites that report only real rumors.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Great facts finding.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    To sws94, do you agree that Clifford and the Hornets organization lied to Lin when they asked him to join them?

  • JoeTeam

    if each bbhead cost $4, then that’s only $30k in cost. They have empty seats I would imagine. So, if a ticket is $40 and there are $38 in marginal additional cash incoming ($2 more for cleanup, security), then they only have to have 790 more attendees to break even in contribution to margin. That’s probably a high number for the decision to be made at the operations side (the team responsible for arena profitability) So maybe the beak even was targeted at 500 new tix sold, and the tix costs retail are higher. Don’t know.

    Big picture of above is that you don’t need to care about JLin to promote him – if it gets seats sold, you are doing right by the owner.

  • KHuang

    In the NBA, anybody can “promise” anything.

    But unless it is written in a contract, promises mean nothing.

    As far as I’m concerned, Lin had MEANINGLESS promises made to him because all “promises” in the NBA are meaningless to all players!

  • KHuang

    That is not what sws94
    is doing.

    He’s just trying to explain why they are doing what they are doing.

  • KHuang

    Lin’s still posting Linsane numbers given how badly he’s frozen out.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Roles and mins are not written in contract, they all are promised.

    It’s only a MEANINGLESS promise if one doesn’t keep it.

  • KHuang

    Why?

    What is wrong with my prediction?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Explaining for caught liars = “bending backward”

  • aras

    i said you are laughable with your insults and the way you write. stop accusing me for other stuff. You insult me calling me clueless and what not thus you are laughable.

  • KHuang

    That’s not what’s causing my frustration.

    Since the start of the season, I’ve been wondering aloud if this is Lin’s LAST contract in the NBA.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Entertainment is for fans, for player those are career business. Here we go again, when was gentlemen’s words no longer mean anything to you?

  • aras

    with his insults he is

  • KHuang

    It’s not ME who doesn’t honor gentleman’s agreements.

    You don’t understand that the NBA is not made of gentlemen!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It must be nothing to you to make excuses for the promise breakers.

  • aras

    All i am saying is that if Lin gets a breakout year in lets say nets.there might be openings for him at better teams. if he gets a team where he can play to his full capabilities it would be great.

  • KHuang

    Agreed.

    Besides, Lin’s actually played almost as much as Clifford said he originally intended!

  • sws94

    I agree with that. Will he choose to? I don’t know. But, yes, I agree that a breakout year could help him. there is a sense he’s getting older however.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Sws94 and I are just trying to explain how the NBA has NO HONOR.

    Neither SWS94 nor I like it that way, but that’s just how the NBA with its utter lack of integrity operates.

  • sws94

    Exactly. Not gentlemen at all. It’s cut-throat like a lot of other businesses.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They do honor their words or they will be called out or their reputations will not be in good deed. Most business are done by handshake.

    So you and sws are ok with Lin being lied to?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    In that case, why bending backward to defend Cliff and the Hornets organization?

  • KHuang

    I’ll answer for sws94.

    No veteran in the NBA should ever feel anything called “trust” or “loyalty” from his coach, GM, owner, or teammates.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    His intention started in the first game of the season.

  • aras

    All i hope for this offseason is

    1. Lin training the living crap out of his handles.

    2. Find a team that are in need of a PG. does not matter which team as long as they dont have a Franchise PG.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    NO you and him are justifying what’s happening to Lin and you are OK with it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They are in cooperation as one organization but they are still competing in financially and fame.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why did they all have to compete in trading, signing, winnings.etc….? You’re wrong.

  • KHuang

    NO NO NO.

    I don’t like it any more than you do.

    All I’m saying is that teams promise stuff all the time and then don’t follow through. So players really shouldn’t expect anything, including superstars.

  • aras

    True he is getting older. But he still has plenty of time in the Nba. Nash never hit it big time until late in his years. Im in no way saying Lin is Nash but i just have that feeling that if he had 1 breakout year. It would be like a huge stone was lifted from his shoulders. Havent people noticed everytime he has a big game. He gets pumped up having his confidence at a all time high and just being relentless the rest of the game. He needs to be let loose on the floor. But if it does not happen i hope he finds a team that will at least let him run a Second unit.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    YES YES YES…Saying it’s a normal business practice in the NBA is not only nonsense, it’s a slap in Lin face.

  • KHuang

    C’mon, everybody knows that NBA teams NEVER tell the truth.

  • sws94

    Lin has good handles in the open court. His ball-pressure handles need work but I think he’ll work on them. Just not with a streetballer, with a legit NBA-caliber player hopefully.

    The big challenge is playing with ball-stoppers and ball-dominant players that are a plenty in the NBA. How does he play his game without turning into a ball hog himself which is the usual way other PG or facilitators deal with them? I don’t know, but that’s what his challenge is in my opinion.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I didn’t ask that question. Try again.

  • sws94

    Like Noah. A borderline all-star and where is he now? They are assets and mostly expendable. They want Kobe gone, but now it is the great farewell. He’s no longer an asset and is now an embarrassment.

  • KHuang

    Lin knew full well what he was walking into.

    Nobody has been fed tall tales more than Jeremy Lin.

    Lin gambled on himself having a great season despite coaching garbage – and Lin HAS!

  • aras

    Agreed 100% My tip? watching chris paul he is a master at mixing it up. watching him play PG is a joy to watch.

  • KHuang

    Agreed.

    If MDA were presented with Lin and Dennis Schroeder, I’d be surprised if MDA chose Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You’re saying Lin was stupid by walking into the Hornets?

    If gentlemen words meant nothing to you, commonsense is no longer your simple logic.

  • KHuang

    Chris Paul is the DIRTIEST PALMIEST REF PROTECTED FLOP CHEAT in the NBA.

    I hate watching him play, but that doesn’t mean I think you are wrong.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I don’t care about Noah, how about picking a good success player to compare with Lin can become for once?

  • aras

    The way he mixes it up is beautiful tho 🙂 him being protected somewhat is nothing new. Lebron is protected Like an infant baby.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Only you and sws94 believed that.

  • sws94

    He’s established himself defensively now. He’s torn down that big lie about him defensively. He’s had Linsanity games and moments. In this way KHuang is correct in saying Linsanity never ended.

    Your two best players are Kemba and Batum supposedly on his team and the times they can’t go: First time, Lin scores 35 against the number 2 team in his division. Out for Kemba, Lin scores 24 in his best position and is the leader of the team to beat a player that has been the Hornet’s nemesis and the Number 1 team in his division.

    It’s not what happened in yesterday’s game that matters. Big picture, Lin has shown his worth when elements around him are led by him or cooperate with him. That’s a great season for sure if you look at it in the context of his circumstances.

    The only thing Lin has been down in this year is his shooting percentage and overall scoring. Otherwise, he’s played quite well.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Can’t admit the true hah? The NBA didn’t recruit Lin, team does.

  • sws94

    Practical. He liked Silas and thought Clifford might be ok. It’s a gamble and it’s worked out good for him in some ways. There is a bunch of soiled entities to choose from. Not clean entities and Lin knows that as well as his management and advisors.

  • sws94

    Too bad. It’s my example. Choose your own that you care about the point remains.

  • KHuang

    while I agree with both premises, Lin’s ball handling won’t get better when refs allow opponents to constantly illegally bump and hack Lin.

    Think about it: does anybody remember an opponent being called for grabbing Lin’s arms while he dribbles? I sure cannot.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Pick a failure to fit with Lin to justify your low standard you set for Lin, that’s NOT a fan.

  • sws94

    How many people do you talk of that have been observing the NBA? Only KHuang and I think that? Au contraire, many of those of us watching for a long, long time have come to a similar conclusion. I’ll say rarely as opposed to never tell the truth. That’s the harsh, cold reality of this entity known as the NBA.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not what he said.

    Lin didn’t talk 5 hrs with Silas, he talked with Cliff.

  • sws94

    We are not talking about Lin. We are talking about the NBA here. Not Lin. If you don’t find I’m a fan well, good, your opinion. And I don’t care what you think, I’m here making points about the subject matter. My standards for Lin are what they are, do your best in this system that doesn’t suit your essence. He’s done well with that. I deal in realities, what is practical for Lin and that has nothing to do with Lin’s skills vs. the corporation he’s dealing in.

  • KHuang

    No, you’re saying that and not me.

    Lin walked into what he knew was a potentially toxic situation, but Lin had so much faith in himself that he felt he could overcome it.

    And Lin was RIGHT!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This LinPortal not NBAPortal and when did you change to subject? Oh when you’re stuck?

    This is why you’ve chosen your language to write about Lin very carefully, only a few here knew who you really are.

    You even fooled KHuang too.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin knew full well what he was walking into.

    You said.

  • KHuang

    Since the beginning of the season, I’ve written that Clifford plays Lin only according to need.

    With Lee around stinking up games, Clifford feels that he needs Lin less.

    Lin is being PHASED OUT.

  • sws94

    You go on about another team and this team. Doesn’t matter to me. Lin plays in the NBA. You can’t divorce Lin from that, he’s part of the NBA. You asked about something, you don’t like my answer and you go on obsessively trying to get another one. ACCEPT my answer already and move on. Enough.

  • aras

    yeah khuang last game george hill got called for it

    i agree tho to some extent Lin does get a lot of non calls against him. But he still needs to get his handles to the next level to get the respect from his defenders.

  • Vintage

    This. His handles are fine, but Lin adopts a more safe strategy because he plans for the non ref calls and the fouls. Lin’s athletic ability allows him to be effective despite the unfair advantage.

  • JoeTeam

    Mr Take me back, I have always enjoyed your posts. these days you are frustrated. Yep, Mr Lin is in a no-win situation yet again. I have faith he will have good enough tape to get a great valued role. With each passing KW hog game, I think it’s hurting JLin’s chances for a starting spot. That is v unfortunate. Can he even get 6MOY maybe not given KW ISO. That’s life. Peace out there … this is a good place it is good to read all of yas.

  • Spot

    If MDA is in Philadelphia he will ask Jeremy for sure.

    No doubt about that. Obviously, if…

  • JoeTeam

    getting his shot hot would be good. KT style … no matter what he does, if he can score above 10 in each game without holding the ball would be very good.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    3 of you now, ok.

  • sws94

    Lee is kind of so-so. Cliff needs Lin and if he gets on a roll which we know he can do, he has to play him. Al, Lamb, are being phased out, I don’t believe Lin can be to this team. But we can disagree on that. Overall, I think we’re agreeing overall about most of what’s going on with Lin in the NBA and the Hornets are symbolic of how the NBA operates.

  • Acbc

    “I find your lack of faith disturbing”.

    If MDA was a political animal, I’d agree. However we’ve had 2 examples already with MDA choosing to stand by what he thinks is right over job security as opposed to keeping his job by accepting FO intervention.

    Do you actually believe Schroeder is better? Has he done anything remotely better than Lin? Based upon intelligence and logic, Lin would be the ideal choice for MDA system.

    You base you’re conclusion on Asian bias alone without looking at the fact that MDA also operates on his own logic and intelligence. You assume that MDA would also have Asian bias without facts. You are prejudging MDA based upon your beliefs and that’s wrong.

    MDA is an outsider himself. He has a lot to prove and the best way t prove it is by winning. There is no way MDA would win with Schroder the way Lin has already proven he could during Linsanity.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Stop throwing nonsense answer and declaring enough. Lin is operating by the team concepts NOT the NBA.

  • JoeTeam

    Yes, Faith I have in JLin’s career, not this team for sure.

  • sws94

    Last night the lack of calls was blatant. some of the lack of calls are lack of star calls in general. Since that’s an issue, can Lin practice ball security by getting bumped? Or come up with a way to try to get calls when it happens. I guess, do some acting like most PGs in the league do. Then the whole question of is Lin being true to himself comes up.

  • JoeTeam

    then we gotta get over it and go with his flow to be a true fan. Why not, if he’s smiling it’s a rest stop for the hard work he’s in.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Thanks for the comment.

  • JoeTeam

    to crowded when they come or are the waves making it hard to enjoy swimming in the ocean? I hear you have box jellyfish that are dangerous out there.

  • JoeTeam

    if it helps, I am here. this is a good community.

  • JoeTeam

    a good disagreement based on how you and KHuang view the world. I tend to think one coach out there would be able to help ignite Lin’s journey yet again. It’s up to him to find that situation. I am hoping he continues working at this business team, just like he works his shot and D.

  • JoeTeam

    Let’s hope you are wrong this time.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The Hornets team practices have been strictly behind close door. Having said that, most photos highlights of lin training were about shooting 3 or occasionally free throw, never ball handling.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I wouldn’t be.

  • sws94

    True. Lin’s prime may be after his physical prime. And I’d like a team where he has a consistent second team to run but also closes. He’s too valuable as a closer to be a backup that doesn’t close the majority of the games.

  • sws94

    Think he should shake it up and get basically a new team or make his desires clear to the existing one?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Are you for real, “…or make his desires clear to the existing one?”?

    5 hrs of talking with Clifford?

    NO wonder you never admitted they lied to Lin.

  • gandychan

    Meanwhile. PJ Hairston is starting and scoring 17, 21 points for Memphis in successive games.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Doing that showed the Hornets not so fast to celebrate like they outsmarted the Grizzlies.

  • sport

    Wish Memphis traded for Lin, truthfully that’s what they really need. I do wonder if they asked for Lin and selfish Hornets said no! Just imagine Lin x Marc Gasol (if not injured). In fact Memphis would not be in such a bind with Marc Gasol going down for rest of the season if they traded for Lin instead of PJ.

  • sport

    Handles? Handles? Lin needs to train the crap out of his inconsistent new shooting form and 3s!

  • sport

    I think Lin already does that when he gets bumped. He just needs to go into a shooting motion when he spots an opponent illegal bumping him to draw fouls.

  • KHuang

    “Yes, I find my lack of faith disturbing”.

  • sport

    You mean those ridiculous travels right? 😀

  • sport

    But Chris Paul is great maker and a true PG compared to those shot chuckers. Only reason why he’s so hated is cause of the over protection by refs especially home refs.

  • KHuang

    Good ol’ Courtney Lee was told by the Grizzlies right before he was traded that he “was not going be traded”.

    That’s typical in the NBA, the league of NO INTEGRITY.

  • sws94

    Calm down. I was talking about his managing team. Chill.

  • aras

    Lol yeah sport thats one of those things. He is basically sprinting with the ball.

  • sport

    MDA has been the only coach he sincerely praise Lin’s smarts on the floor and his game. No other coach including Cliff has done that. The fact that MDA and Lin has kept in caught speaks volume including when Lin got signed to Lakers.

  • sws94

    I find it based on sober observations and life experiences. MDA is just a coach when it all comes down to it. He was part of the NBA and had his ups and downs. Great stretch with Lin played out of desperation but ultimately, didn’t even end up with a full season of coaching him.

  • Whitman Lam

    Yes, against THE LAKERS.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even his accusation was true, it’s not a normal practice in the entire NBA.

  • sport

    Yes but MDA is also pushed aside due to bias and his stand on not playing “politics”. This is exactly why he’s been an outsider just like Lin and why they go so well together! Why do you think MDA was fired from both Knicks and Lakers? It’s could he insisted on playing smart basketball instead of tailoring to these so called “stars”. If Jerry Colangelo is friends with MDA and was the reason Nash happened in Suns then he should also be able to see Lin’s potential as a better version of Nash due to his defense and ability to get to the rim with his bigger body build.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So it was his managing team, not Cliff who talked to Lin 5 hrs needed to be clear before making decision?

  • sws94

    Handles. What the NBA wants to see from PGs are handles. Rondo can’t shoot worth beans but his handles are good enough to be trusted as a primary PG.

  • sws94

    I don’t see it that way. He’s coached in the NBA and Anthony and Kobe and perhaps Dwight got him fired. I’m not so sure he doesn’t play politics.

  • KHuang

    Good observation.

  • sws94

    You seriously need to chill. I’m really tired of our exchanges. Joe Team mentioned his business team and that’s the basis of my question. You again are asking the same question as always and its tiring. I’m not answering it any differently ever so this is a big waste of space on this forum.

  • KHuang

    If the Hornets actually ran Clifford’s plays, then Lin would be even better at ballhandling.

  • sws94

    Agreed. Clifford has really good plays. I think the Hornets run them for a few possessions to open the game and then it all falls apart. Second team runs them sometimes.

    Daniels “Kemba ran the play wrong”

  • sport

    He got fired 2 times by 2 stars yet you still think MDA plays politics? If MDA played politics he would’ve allowed Melo to do whatever he pleased and pushed Lin aside the moment Melo got back but he didn’t! Melo didn’t like Lin outshining him but MDA still started Lin and allowed him to play heavy minutes. In contrast Woodson, Mchale, BS, and Cliff pushed Lin aside and even benched him to tailor to the stars! MDA would never push a great player aside just to tailor to a star’s selfish needs. Quite frankly Dwight is a dumb player and exactly why he got MDA fired cause he doesn’t like playing PnR nor setting screens. If Dwight was smart he would’ve signed with Dallas Mavs instead of Rockets. He went from one ball hog to another (Harden) and playing second fiddle to a Kobe wannabe!

  • KHuang

    Chris Paul is more dirty than good.

    When the refs stop cheating in his favor in crunchtime, Chris Paul ALWAYS falls apart with bricks and turnovers.

    Because I’m results based and not reputation based, I have never been all that impressed with Paul.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    His current team was well aware of Lin’s desires, it’s Clifford who broke his own words intentionally to Lin, that’s the problem.

  • KHuang

    Both Paul and James do that illegal carry crap.

    If you take that away from them, you’ll strip 4-6 points from their scoring averages while increasing their turnovers by 1 a game.

  • KHuang

    Lin actually gets more tunovers off Clifford’s offense, but it’s worth it because the benefit of involving 5 guys offensively vastly outweighs the negatives of turnovers.

  • adele

    Actually as I remember and what Lins father said he got offers from Memphis and some other teams but not as a starter so your premise does not hold water. I guess most of us do speculations. Buts it’s fun to speculate as long as the bottom line is we have to think that we care for this person that’s why we follow him.

  • sws94

    We weren’t talking about that. It’s moving forward beyond that. My question was to Joe Team based on his comments. Your injecting the same talk on Clifford is an agenda. You want to talk about Cliff yet again, fine but leave me out of it. That’s not what I was talking about with Joe Team.

  • sws94

    Then Cliff has to accept that and not only when they are Batum’s. And Batum is freelancing and trying to force the ball to Cody half of the time at least anyway.

  • sport

    But Rondo is nothing now because he can’t score at all! Nowadays scoring is way more important than anything else. Of course if a PG had both great handles and amazing scoring via Steph Curry than that’d be perfect. Which is what Lin’s working on achieving.

  • sws94

    Lin can score when he puts his mind to it. Curry is an exceptional shooter with a ridiculous range and great handles so he really can score. Lin will score less on drives and short-range shots and sometimes 3s. But Lin’s greatness is raising other team mates. Even more than Curry does in my opinion.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Blaming his management team is your way of defending Clifford was a liar.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    See, you don’t see Lin as an NBA PG because he’s lack of ball handling, just like KHuang’s accusation of racism in the NBA?

  • Acbc

    When Lin himself has states his goals I often wonder why some “fans” presume to know Lin has changed his mind. Has Lin say anything to the contrary? Noooooo. Why would people attribute Lin’s action to acceptance of a Ginobilli role?

    The world can beat us down. Been there, done that. There’s predjudice, bias and politics that gets in our way, I quit as a starter in my senior year on my highschool basketball team myself because of politics and because the new coach frozen me out. It was no fun anymore and I turned to a sport that required no teammates. Basketball was just not that important to me. But Lin is his own man. Why would someone who has dreamed of being a starter, an allstar and a champion decide to quit on his own dreams? Lin would never give up on his dreams just because someone else got in his way. Lin has proven to be the toughest mentally to resist any obstacles thrown in his way. Why would he change now?

    When people say that “it is what it is” or the game is just not allowing him to be this or that, it’s becuase they themselves have accepted what other people set ast heir own limits. They look at the “facts”, the “situation”, the ” probabilities”, their so call “reality” and assume their way of thinking on how Lin should think as well.

    What is truth IMO is that Lin has defied all reality, all conventional thinking, all presumptions, all prejudice and made Linsanity happen by sheer will of his desire to be the best. When people say Lin should be a backup or 6th man, a combo guard that plays starter minutes, or whatever non starter role, I say they are subjugating Lin’s reality to their own acceptance of second best or failed dreams.

  • Lefon Jang

    What Lin needs is to improve his shooting. He has no problem attacking the paint and you don’t drive inside so much without a handle. If he’s not a threat beyond the arc the defense would just protecting the paint and that makes it even harder for him to drive. If he’s nailing his shots then it forces them to come out to challenge him and that in terms open up the lane for him to drive. A guy that cannot shoot is not able to spread the floor for his team. In today’s NBA you absolutely have to know how to shoot.

  • BobbyH

    Well said. No one can preset the caps on Lin’s NBA journey. See how many caps had been broken that set on him.

    All these obstacles, critique, discrimination, marginalization, are different phases of forging on Lin’s skills (on court and off court). Lin is leading us, fans or not, into an unknown and unheard territory. The best is yet to come.

  • sws94

    If you are asking about me what I stated was in the form of a question and I UNEQUIVOCALLY said he MAY not be where he was NOT that he was in your words “accepting” ANYTHING and he wasn’t tipping his hat. Just making that clear.

    I have no acceptance of failed dreams. What I have is an acceptance of what is the realities in corporations and that’s why I don’t work in one. I work in the arts and we don’t deal with record industries because of the absolute formulas they want people to do compromising their art or making products over art. There is a HUGE difference between having to deal with something in your business vs. accepting second best or failed dreams as you put it.

  • sws94

    I was directing a question to Joe Team and your obsession is quite obvious.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • heart

    Thank you Reagan for having the patience to debate and stand for principle regarding what Lin was promised. That shows integrity to me.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I thought I would never say this but I missed Hawes. He’s not something great PnR with Lin but at least Lin does not have to feed him in the low post one after another. Clifford is killing Lin’s ability slowly with minute reduction then roles.

  • I think you’re missing the point, sws94.

    It’s not so much about us as fans wanting him to start to PG or thinking he should settle for a lesser goal being 27 years old while the NBA has not given him opportunities in the past 3 years to handle the ball.

    We can only interpret JLin’s statements to indicate what his NBA career goal is.
    And all the comments seemed to indicate he still looks for a coach and system that will give him an opportunity to put the ball in his hands.

    That’s why many disagree with your assertion that “Honestly, I don’t think some of these quotes are that relevant now. “

    I understand you prefer JLin to accept a role as as a closer but at the same time, we need to acknowledge that JLin’s current wishes and desires to be an All-Star or win championships. We cannot simply dismiss it as irrelevant. He still dreams to achieve greatness, even if you think he should change his goals at the moment.

    IMO we may suggest that in 2-3 years that if there’s no door opening then he should adjust his dreams. Perhaps joining GSW as a backup would help him win a ring seeing how he had a chance to do so. But JLin might not take that suggestion to win a ring and chooses to pursue his dreams. Either way, whatever he decides it’s okay since it’s his NBA career, not ours.

    As a fan, I can totally respect the decision that he makes. After all, if he didn’t dare to dream for greatness in the NBA, he would have given up a long time ago and worked at Wall Street utilizing his Harvard degree.

  • sws94

    psalm234 I think people’s goals are fluid and my major point is only that. I don’t know of his goals which goal will be the deciding one. If it is starting PG then he may pick a team that has a losing record. If it is championship possible team or deep in the playoffs team, then he may pick a team where he isn’t starting PG. I only hope that in either case, he finishes games.

    I don’t find dreams and goals static, they evolve so his may evolve into a different version of what he’s stated. We’ll find out in the coming months and I’ll be happy with him as a starting PG because he’ll play more to his potential and for fans, it’ll be the most fun to watch.

  • heart

    I have a feeling Hawes is doing an “Asik” move after knowing that Hornets wanted to trade him. He’s taking his time healing. I don’t blame him if he is. Hawes seems to have a feisty personality.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You know what? You make a lot of sense. He can’t be out this long.

  • heart

    I sensed it after the trade. I was surprised they wanted to trade him away. Then the next thing we heard Hawes is out w/ back problem after the trade didn’t happen. Hawes knows Hornets don’t value him so he takes better care of himself now to showcase himself if they make the playoffs for FA.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin tell them all Lin, NOT the role I wanted when I joined this team.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes. Coming to term with current role does not equate to accepting defeat and compromising on his dream. It’s merely a process, a part of the journey. As long as he is giving all he has got on the court, he’s not compromising on anything.

  • yes, it will be interesting which one he will decide in the off-season.
    A big factor definitely would be the available offers.

    I think and hope there might be 1-2 starting offers or chances to compete as a starter.
    But if not, it will be interesting what JLin would do.

    We can definitely hope for the best for JLin’s career since we spend all this time following his journey to inspire us =)

  • your son’s voltaire

    this brings up so many questions..
    1) does Lin ignore clifford now and so they need some kind of middle-man? like between bs and lakers fo?
    2) does Lin NOT accept his role? what exactly is his role? do they sense Lin is NOT happy with an even more limited role since Lee arrived?
    3) do they think that somehow Dennis Scott will not only convince Lin to accept his role, but also want to continue playing for them next season?
    4) not a question but Hornets are looking like fools right now

  • your son’s voltaire

    even though Lee is a better player than PJ, the Hornets made a huge mistake in this trade because with PJ’s horrible plays, they had to play Lin much more. that was one redeeming quality PJ brings. lol. and also PJ is much younger than Lee

  • heart

    Yep, Hawes has been on the injury since after the trade deadline 18 Feb 2016. By tomorrow it’ll be 5 games w/o him playing.

  • heart
  • your son’s voltaire

    good points and call me crazy but i think the Linsanity Movie was suicidal to his basketball career

  • heart

    @Psalms, Mods, why was one of my posts removed? I only compliment Reagan for standing firm on his principle. It was a debate that I agreed that took a lot of guts to say what he said….

  • heart

    @takemeback2reaganyears:disqus did you see my earlier post giving you a compliment? If it’s not disqus acting up, I think I know who uses his flag…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s exactly what Lin doing and fighting but they’re not talking about Lin, they are talking about fans. Fans who think Lin should play for China or EU, Lin does not have the skill of ball handling to be NBA PG, Lin should be best fit replacing the on his way retiring, 20 mpg, bench Ginobili next season. Fans who ignored why Lin is in this situation, fans who ignore Lin was lied to etc…….

  • heart

    Please see what I post above. Someone deleted my post to you. I wonder if you saw before it got deleted.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Wonder if they listed him on the injury list.

  • spiderman

    Respect from teams and defenders he has, which is why they play dirty to try to stop him.
    It’s respect from his own coach that is lacking

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No I didn’t and couldn’t see it. But I appreciate very much.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Thank you heart.

  • heart

    Yes, I just posted the tweet above w/ him listed OUT for tomorrow.

  • heart

    Let me say this way and see if it gets deleted again. I complimented you on standing on your principle in the debate regarding Hornets promises to Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You’ve been doing the same and even much more than I’ve ever done. It’s sad enough for what we’re witnessing his most difficult situation but some fans flat out ignore all facts.

  • Joe what do you know

    Looking at the wording of the tweet, DScott is there on behalf of NBATV. It seems he has nothing to do with the Hornets. What I understand from the tweet is that obviously NBATV is interested in JLIN’s perspective of his own role with the team. This only suggests that their audience must be interested to know too. I am sure the general public are aware that JLIN is a player worth much much more than his current contract and that he’s not being used to his full potential. What I can see from this tweet is that the ball is now in Hornet’s court, what would they do to address this big issue going forward….?

  • heart

    I believe the truth will win out in the end. It always has. Case in Point, Rox and Lakers, look at the mess they’re in…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yes it will. We all had high hope for Lin this season based on his interview saying all good thing and promising of the new day in Charlotte, oh boy how things reversed intentionally starting with Clifford.

  • your son’s voltaire

    interesting take. if Scott was in fact sent by NBATV, then we can expect a JLin segment on NBATV (maybe during halftime of a playoff game) by Scott

  • heart

    180 degree change in the opposite direction. We don’t hear Lin say anything regarding ‘playing his brand of basketball’… We have not seen any casual talks between them. Only clips of Cliff yelling at Lin.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin needs to work on his shooting and handling but it’s difficult to shoot when one hand is tied behind his back and it’s difficult to not turn it over when you got 5 hands swiping at your arms and face on the drive. the biggest thing Lin can do to improve himself in the off season is to land a contract with the Spurs, Warriors, or Sixers

  • adele

    I think it’s the 3 of us who is more consistent since the early season.

  • Linzen

    I believe his PR manager is his sister in law. Not 100% sure though

  • Yascar

    I think his business manager is his sister-in-law. He does have a separate commercial team looking after him which is also different from his agent – I’m pretty sure they got him the Tag Heuer deal. I read somewhere he gets around $3m a year from Adidas, I don’t know how much from Tag.

    In his business dealings as in everything else, Jeremy chooses people he knows he can trust. Like I said once before, us fans may or may not agree, but he will do it his way, for better or for worse.

  • Linzen

    Absolutely!
    I think they value Al much more and want to bring him up to speed asap. What better way to have a true PG feed him the ball all the time.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Seem like JLin wasn’t the only one NBATV has talked to earlier.
    .@KembaWalker & @nicolas88batum hanging with the @NBATV Game Time crew.
    https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/703737914547507200

  • cdblue10

    Wait how about me and Dorothy?lol

  • Joe what do you know

    To me, there are so many different kinds of fans…. There are fans who APPRECIATE what Lin brings to the table, be it basketball-wise or morality-wise. These fans I tend to regard as “sane and rational” fans. On the other hand, there’s your typical idol-worshipping type of fans who, like fundamentalists, are classified as “insane fans” by me (much like my sister back in the mid 90s with Leo DiCap). These type of fans I would just ignore. As for the other fans who hold different opinions to myself; as long as themy bring a good argument based on facts, not pure speculation, to the table, I’ll respect their views but happily agree to disagree. There’s no point getting all emotional asserting your own opinion on to other people. After all, this is a free speech forum, as long as we keep things civil.

  • leeda harun

    i guess a lot of viewers really surprise with the hornets this year. ..lol

  • leeda harun

    Disagree. I love that movie. I want a sequel…ha ha

  • Barry Allen

    I agree, I think that is still relevant and Lin wants all those things, especially being a starting PG and he’s proven he can be.

  • heart

    Hornets are pushing these two to be their franchise future? But we all know the additional key that has been contributing to their current success is missing in this picture– the unsung hero who is still in work clothes working hard on court while being interviewed.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Well said. They forgot the one that lead them beat the Cavs first time in years.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Is this civil language to you? Name calling usually by ignorance don’t you think?

    You wrote,

    ,,,,,there are your typical idol-worshipping type of fans who, like fundamentalists, are classified as “insane fans” by me.

  • kauaiblue

    Shows how “experts in the field” are not so bright…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You’re right, might be a lot more of us than we think

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    BTW, I highly recommend you to read Acbc’s comment again.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • takemeback2reaganyears

    BTW someone posted earlier (down below) named me as “insane fan”, not sure if anyone want to join me? LOL.

  • Joe what do you know

    Sigh…. So are you denying the fact that there are these type of fans existing? If this is indeed what you’re suggesting, then we must be living in a totally parallel universe. And I also said I tend to ignore such fans simply because they can’t be reasoned with. I did not in any fashion or capacity, imply or suggest who belongs to this group. Now why are you taking offence to such remark? Please stop taking what I said out of its context. If you’re not happy with what I said, please flag my comment and leave it to the mods to decide. Don’t lunge on everyone who doesn’t share the same opinion as you. That is what I meant by being civil.

  • rookie75094

    I am in basketball heaven watching good (Spurs) destroying evil (rockettes ) right in it’s own lair called the Toyota center..Toyota should demand the rockettes to pay them for soiling their name with this ISO brand of basketball. …yeah

  • Joe what do you know

    Read again mate. Carefully this time. Metaphorically, there were two empty chairs out there labeled “for insane fans only”, and “for rational fans only”. For some reasons, you picked the wrong one to sit in on your own free will….

  • james brown

    i see your point but as i always said, not all can see those point of view for others have blinders because of their own set of blinders. people can decide what to believe and some of them defend it to the fullest even to the point of non acceptance even it was so obvious their opinion rest on the edge and can’t stand with differing points left and right.

    so i let them be hoping they can see the changes later.

  • spiderman

    Wish Lin was “out” of Hornets as well.
    Can’t come soon enough

  • heart

    Yep. I wonder if Lin’s ankle is fully healed. He grimaced several times in the recent Cavs game IIRC.

  • james brown

    chill. he just describing those types and based on his account, he has found that type of fans during his interaction on the forum..maybe its a bit to say some are delusional and fundamentalist, but we can’t ignore that such kind of passion can be found.

    I believe that for as long as some poster doesn’t nane names and brand a poster here by his definition of what kind of fan he is, it is safe to say that his post still respectful and should be respected even it differs from other point of view.

  • james brown

    maybe thats the reason for his limited time..can play but with a lot of pain so cliff decided to gamble with Lee instead of Lin…for this game alone?

  • james brown

    other hornets players will play horrible if you have player stopper like KW and with some degree batum and Lamb..they can play but the point is if those players keep freezing other players during games by holding the ball for too long and not letting others played their games, even with a good player can become mediocre for lack of rhythm and touches.

    well i consider PJ as a 2nd or 3 string bench player and because of the recent news that he has an character problem, he’s better off with the hornets.

    Coach determines who to play not the player except such a player can dictate such his whim and caprices with the coaches and FO.

  • heart

    If Cliff intends to use Lee more, then Lin should be on the injury list. Playing w/out full strength of his ankle risk injury even more. This is just my speculation: Lin probably does not want to complain to the medical staff about his ankle so he can play, while Hawes probably still complains about his back pain to the medical staff so they can’t clear him to play. Either way, one is resting fully while the other wanting to play but can’t get PT.

  • adele

    Lol sorry. Welcome to the bandwagon😊

  • Joe what do you know

    Thanks JB for reading my posts carefully and seeing it as it intended to be. It’s really frustrating how I tried to choose the words as carefully as I could in my posts and yet they could be twisted and taken out of context so much. Such is life I guess….

  • james brown

    its JLIN decision for we know that jeremy really wants to help the team and for that we like him a lot…however jeremy’s thought is different from his coaches i guess, so his limited time and play connotes many different reason that only cliff knows that why he decided to play JLIN less than Lee..

    i am now just playing along with the time JLIN stays with the hornets for i believe that Jeremy will leave the team comes FA next season. There are no reason for me to harp whether he is being not used properly by this team because a team who value less a player will use that player less, especially that they know he will no longer be with the team come FA. this means they tried JLIN for this season but did not like what they saw so they will let JLIN leave next season.

    simple

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That “your” seems to point at me, if that’s not meant by you, then ok.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    One of them needs ask KW why Curry rests after 1Q to let Livingston do his job but you didn’t?
    You don’t trust Lin or scare of Linsanity?

  • Dorothy

    thank you, I was wondering the same 🙂

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    where can we go see this interview?

  • Sueki

    and that’s why we love him….

  • Sueki

    “…I’ve always wanted to win championships, I’ve always wanted to be an All-Star….. I’ve put in a lot of work, but I haven’t seen the results on the court….” But I think 90% of the current NBA feeling the same way… NO?

  • Acbc

    Much appreciate this piece. We all needed to hear it from Lin to clarify Lin’s mindset. Thanks a lot.

  • sport

    Except the only reason why JLin will not be with the team is that they never valued him in the first place like they did Batum; giving him a starting SG role for the entire season when he’s a SF. Either way Hornets will be in for a rude awakening when Lin’s gone.

  • kauaiblue

    Go spurs!

  • Jim

    Everyone wants Lin to start, play 35mins and take 20shots every game but under the circumstances where coach doesn’t respect your game at all, the 6th man role is, all of a sudden, not bad at all.
    The goal is to start but that’s not gonna happen here unless kemba gets injured(which I do not wish for just because its not the right thing to do)

  • sport

    I disagree that movie revealed the truth and discrimination in the league as well as document his amazing rise to stardom from a nobody. It’s also an inspirational film for those chasing after their dreams even when all hopes seems loss.

  • sport

    If I was Lin I’d spill the beans about him not being happy and not fully utilized to his potential. Season is almost over and it’s time for him to say it like it is.

  • Jim

    Evil? thats a bit too far dont you think?

  • sport

    This wishing Lin goes to a team and coach who treats him as starting PG and fairly is getting old. Truly hope the next team will finally be the team that allows Linsanity to shine for the entire season. Lin brought excitement back to basketball for me since MJ and it’s sad to see him mistreated on 5-6 different teams!

  • Joe what do you know

    *quote* On the other hand, there’s your typical idol-worshipping type of fans who, like fundamentalists, are classified as “insane fans” by me (much like my sister back in the mid 90s with Leo DiCap)*unquote

    I guess this is the “your” you were referring to? Lol…. The whole part of “there’s your typical….” Is merely a simple English phrase used to present certain things/subjects/topics straight after that phrase to the audience. I really don’t know how you might have got it wrong but at least I know where you’re coming from…. Thanks.

  • kauaiblue

    After jlin, curry rocks and now Westbrook is making me a believer… he hustles and actually plays defense…

  • sport

    Except Westbrook is another ball hogger and shot chucker. OKC is all iso plays between KD and Westbrook and is exactly why the will never go far in the playoffs again.

  • kauaiblue

    Thats true but he hustles…

  • Acbc

    That’s quite obvious to everyone. Lin could be a third string, vet minimum player being mistreated the rest of his NBA career, BUT LIN HIMSELF MUST NEVER ACCEPT WHAT OTHERS SAY HE SHOULD BE. Linsanity was a perfect example of convergence of events that opened the door for him to show what he is made of.

    What you believe is far more important than what reality is. If you stop believing, then you become the bench second stringer others push upon you. I used to cringe at the Rox media and play by play stooges declare that Lin is so much happier that he is coming off bench and that Lin doesn’t feel the pressure being a bench player. Lin is not one that allows other people pigeon hole him into roles like that. It’s like The current Rox coach said in a recent interview that Lin was super competitive with Harden and Beverley in practice. Lin never accepted what the Rox did to him.

  • Joe what do you know

    Well… Guess we’ll soon find out what exactly he said in that interview…. I do think it’s about time to stop being too overly diplomatic about everything.

  • sport

    Doesn’t matter when him and KD are chucking all the shots away leaving none for all other teammates. OKC was a loaded team yet because of the iso centric plays they might as well be scrubs and the results would be the same thing since they don’t share the ball and shots.

  • Joe what do you know

    I guess you mean like how Galileo was prosecuted by the Roman church for his claim that the earth is not the centre of universe…? That’s very possible

  • sport

    Take a page out of his ex teammates book including Young. The worst thing about Lin is that he doesn’t speak up. Asik spoke up and made his displeasure known. Nick Young spoke and gets benched but at least the media and public know he’s mistreated. By not speaking up; all those racist and peeps can just turn a blind eye at whats wrong. Even the rookie that got drafted to Lakers spoke up about his mistreatment and BS. When you don’t say anything, people will walk all over you.

  • Acbc

    JB, athletes must always have blind faith in themselves. Lin believes he should be a starter! I’m a Lin fan. Why should I believe lin should be happy being a Ginobilli 6th man second stringer? Until Lin gives up on his dream to be a starter, I’ll be just as delusional because I’m a proud LOF with blinders on.

  • aras

    DURANT! what a game! what a player!

  • sport

    Just tuned in, wow OT for OKC vs GSW now that I got to watch! It’s like a preview of playoffs. Rooting for GSW to win; teamball over hero/iso loser ball.

  • Yascar

    I’m guessing you’re not here when people discuss Clifford and the Hornets eh? 😀

  • sport

    Curry is not human! Just catches and throws up a 3 without even looking at the basket.

  • Win

    To all Lin’s fans, I am new here and my grammar is not very good so please forgive me if I make any mistake on my post.

    I just wanna share my point of view of Lin’s current situation and the main reason that Hornets has signed him.

    I believe it has a lot to do with the 2 preseason games in China. We all know how badly NBA and NFL want to open the Asia markets. So 2 millions to sign Lin in exchange for huge marketing boost (because of Lin) is well worth it. And this is why MJ said Lin is the biggest acquisition this off season. I also believe NBA or Adam Silver plays a part of the signing too. Another word, Lin is only a preseason rental for Hornets and was never in there long term plan.

    To me, Lin is good enough to be a starting PG in NBA, However, because of his race; lot of people including his coach, teammate are trying to push him out. Just like Melo, Harden and Kobe. People will always try to find a way to criticize him. Such as defense, ball handling etc. However, I believe none of that is true. The defense that Lin have shown this season proof the haters were wrong. Do you really think Steve Clifford can improve Lin’s defense in such as short time? Of cause not, defense is a team thing + efforts. You can see how good Knicks defense was during the Linsanity. There is no stars or any defensive specialist, it is all about team works. Not even Curry or Kawhi Leonard can fight a through good screen alone.

    So if this league is all about races which Asia players are not allow to be a star unless you are 7’6″, then I will be the first one to tell NBA to go **** themselves. I DO NOT WANT to see NBA making mad money from the Asia markets if the entire league is bias against Asia players.

    Again, this is just my own opinion and as you can tell, I am very frustrated with all the attacks toward Lin from coaches, players, reporters etc. I am more frustrated that such as talented player never get a fair chance (No even with Knicks, they have absolutely no choice by to play Lin, but MDA should be good, I hope) in the NBA just because Lin is Asia.

  • Acbc

    Unfortunately, it’s not Lin that’s compromising on anything. Sure all fans have the right to accept whatever role Lin gets on any team. Fans could be happy for Lin to be a backup player of the year. They have the right to believe whatever they want.

    What I’m saying is that Lin himself will never accept it as anything but a small step to an ultimate goal. Lin will not be content until he reaches his own dreams. It’s Lin fans that are compromising and not Lin.

  • aras

    Curry is ridiculous seriously. crazy game!

  • Joe what do you know

    I guess it just isn’t his style. I’d be looking for bible verses on tweeter instead…. Lol

  • Jim

    We cant control what Lin believes but I’m sure if he wouldn’t be where he is now if he ever stopped believing in himself, hes a confident guy

  • sport

    OMG Curry from way downtown!!

  • aras

    Stephen…..goddamn…..Curry

  • cdblue10

    Wow!!!!!!

  • GameWatcher

    Epic

  • sport

    Curry doing exactly what he usually does during warmups with those crossovers and way downtown shots. His pre game warmups is a show in itself.

  • cdblue10

    That’s a video game shot!!!!

  • Uh-Oh

    {N-COUNT If you are a fan of someone or something, especially a famous person or a sport, you like them very much and are very interested in them. 狂热爱好者}

    The word “fan” itself is already say it all.
    If you like the person very much, obvious you gonna see that person in a very very fond way. Same thing like when you fall in love with someone all you see is the good sides of them.

    To me, some just basketball fan who also interest in following Jeremy Lin games, but not a Jeremy Lin fan. Some like me, who are just Jeremy Lin fan. Who following Jeremy Lin to follow basketball. I think this is a very important distinction.

    It’s the others problem (who’s a basketball fan) to unfairly ask a Lin fan to agree with or buy the things they said regarding Lin, because obvious they don’t put themselves or understand in the “fans” perspective.

    And the Lin fans like me need to understand not everybody see the person you like the same way.

    But then, if you are a basketball fan in general not that fond of Jeremy Lin like his” fans” then you might as well join a “team forum” rather then a forum that especially dedicated to that person.

    While coming to a fan site that especially dedicated to this person and to complain about its lack of rationality and lack of sane or whatever is just purely on that person’s own fault.

    PS. Not point it to you Joe. In general of this rational fan irrational fan sane insane fair unfair assisment of Lin games…lala talk I sometimes just happened to catch it.

  • kauaiblue

    Unbelievable! Now that was fun!

  • kauaiblue

    Answer from walker: scared of linsanity

  • sport

    Notice how all 3 players contributed for tie breakers at crucial moments; Iguodala, Thompson and Curry with the game winner! Meanwhile once Durant was out you knew Westbrook was all alone; yes he could find teammates but they are not scoring threats due to their selfish style of plays.

  • sws94

    The point isn’t what Lin is compromising himself. It’s what the corporation that he plays in will make available for him. If it’s available and in line with his greatest goals, I doubt there’s anyone here saying that’s what he should not pursue. What I am some others ARE saying is, the NBA is the framework Lin deals in. That may have built-in compromises not only for Lin, but for anyone dealing in it.There’s but so much Lin calls the shots for.

  • cshot

    this is a good reason why lin has changed his shot form. curry himself said that it was one of the hardest things that he had to do, saying he couldn’t even shoot outside of the paint at times. jeremy will find his shot and it will be much more better for him in the long run. keep shooting jeremy!

  • Acbc

    “Mind Over Matter: Princeton & Russian Scientist Reveal The Secrets of Human Aura & Intentions”
    September 5, 2013 by Joe Martino.

    This is an article that talks about some actual scientific research done by scientists on the positive energy we can exude that can influence our surroundings. Some of this science is based inpart due to some ideas from quantum mechanics.

    A powerful meme of negative energy can affect us in ways beyond mere words. It colours our view of our world. The Greeks believed that sports embodies such a powerful force upon the audience that it can produce life giving forces to society. They called it mana and this was the basic principal behind the invemtion of the Olympics. Lin fans know this mana well. When Lin has a great game, the energy on this board explodes in excitement. It makes us giddy with excitement for days and it makes everything we do so much more easier. When Lin gets marginalized, the negative energy is palpable with bitterness. That’s the power of mana.

    Many Lin fans are Christians on this site. Lin every once in a while sends out a message asking for prayer support groups. We send positive thoughts to friends and family all the time to bolster their spirit in hard times. The power of positive prayers and thoughts sent by our spiritual antennas to others are received by their unconscious spiritual receptors.

    Science has done research on positive energy sent from nurses to patients in another room and the ones that receive the treatment have a higher recovery rate.

    When I read a negative meme on this site, it is my belief that it disturbs the positive environment Psalms, Brent, and Melanie tries so hard to foster. When Lin himself asks us for prayers of support, I’m doubly annoyed when fans choose to undermine or undervalue Lin’s personal desire to reach his own potentials. When people say things like Lin is a good super sub, 6th man; it upsets me to no end and I feel compelled to challenge that type of negative meme becuase Lin works so hard to be so much more than that.

    While these posters have a right to their opinions, I’ll continue to challenge them in order to restore the balance of positive and negative energies. As Lin fans, I believe that we owe it to him to send him all the positive spiritual energy we can to bolster his embattled psyche.

  • grover chang

    No need to apologize for your grammar. It is fine. Keep posting.

  • grover chang

    Lin is a great basketball player and a great person. Positive energy 1 Negative energy 0.

  • Acbc

    I’ve seen Lin do some small part of that dribble warmup with a trainer. I’m wondering if anyone has seen Lin’s pre game routine and if it follows Curry’s patterns.

  • Joe what do you know

    Thanks for your input. I have to agree some with you and disagree some.

    What I agree with is your distinction of the two basic groups of people in this forum. However your definition and characterisation of them seems to be a bit too simple IMHO. At the end of the day, the forum rules pretty much is asking us to respect each other and keep the discussion civil. The beauty of freedom of speech is that you can pretty much say anything as long as you follow the laws/rules. We need some good discussion in this forum, not flicking mud at each other. I agree this is a Jeremy Lin specific site, but there’s no forum rules dictating that you have to be a “Lin Only Fan” to express your opinion and that you should refrain from voicing as a “general basketball fan”. JLin is a professional basketball player. If the discussion is not based on basketball, this will only be a JLin gossip site. I wonder if that was Psalm’s intention for this forum at all…

  • DX

    Your grammar is better than mine. 😉

  • Steppen03

    WooHoo!!!
    What an exciting game GS Vs OKC – down to the wire! SC30 – Mr.Clutch’s Twelve Threes!

  • leeda harun

    curry is a shooting guard in the body of a point guard

  • leeda harun

    Keep on working hard Lin.

  • leeda harun

    Team ball vs iso ball

  • Win

    Thank you y’all. 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    I’m pretty good for him to speak up, but I see how winning teams keep things under wraps, like tonight’s shouting at halftime by DGreen for GSW win over OKC. It’s hard to go against the grain because you still have to protect your long term reputation.

  • JoeTeam

    I need you to coach me bro …

  • Steppen03

    Grammars great!
    Welcome to the site!
    Honestly, I take it as it is because it makes sense: #1) Hornets do not have a good backup PG before JL7. #2) Hornets really eyeing for best chance at a good playoff run. There’s not a knock against Lin it’s just Kemba’s team to run. Think Hornets want to sign Lin for few seasons but it’s not in Lin’s interest to be a backup PG long term.

  • JoeTeam

    keep swinging for the fences … the music industry is going to free but how do new artists get heard? Youtube is just another way to market big engines.

  • Steppen03

    Yes, Durant Was Incredible Too! as always…

  • JoeTeam

    such an amazing game … Iggy with 62% FT shooting for overtime lol.

  • JoeTeam

    Curry shooting 32 footers like layups … now can we ever watch another game without wishing for that from JLin? I want him to do that!!! Spend a summer in CHA lol.

  • leeda harun

    Curry always good at shooting.I wonderif he has a shooting slump like other players.

  • Lefon Jang

    Change for the better of course is ideal. But what if Lin’s shooting coach is not the right coach for him? If he’s not getting the right coaching the result could be even worse. What I’m saying is his coach could do more harm than good.

  • leeda harun

    Just say that you want lin to hire steph curry shooting coach

  • Lefon Jang

    May not be a bad idea.

  • leeda harun

    It is a good idea but it depends on the shooting coach also..want to teach lin or not.

  • Joe what do you know

    He has occasional off days. But I don’t think he was ever in a prolonged slump…

  • JoeTeam

    those are games where he scores 20ish and KT and others are hot. He wasn’t like this under MJx. He’s so confident now. With some luck and divine guidance, JLin can turn this on too. He won’t shoot like Curry, but there will be great days ahead for Lin if you see what’s happened to Curry and Shaun.

  • JoeTeam

    I have seen Lin but didn’t really take notes. I don’t remember him working on handles. Just the round robin at the 3s position, layups, various midranges. Stretching. That’s over the years at GSW when he’s in town. I don’t recall him ever doing the handles stuff, nor does he do the ritual like curry where he’ll try to hit a hard 3 (at home, Curry doesn’t go in until he hits one from the tunnel).

  • JoeTeam

    I was jazzed when KD fouled out, confident in GSW win. But, they made it close … everyone else tonight was ice cold. And OKC beat GSW about 60 to 30 Rebounds. What a weird win, but so exciting. (the layup bricks, the dumb turnovers).

  • golfhacker

    I would feel MUCH better if Jeremy hired Steph’s shooting coach and dump the ones he’s been using.

  • JoeTeam

    Dell Curry, I would imagine. Steph got his form as child. You don’t get this good over a few years. All JLin has to do is to walk upstairs after practice.

  • cshot

    for sure. i understand. doc shep. is questionable…. he should totally ask dell to help out. if not, steph during the offseason. i would love to have lin work on his handles a little bit more as well. he needs better handles to get out of double teams and traps without having to pick up his dribble

  • cshot

    Jeremy should consider training at AccelerateBasketball. They really focus on ball handling and floaters. I believe steph actually trained there. I know I’m sounding like Im a crazy steph fan, but I just want to see Jeremy have the success that he deserves. IF he was in a team where he got to play PNR offense as the PG with athletic PNR bigs and good playing time, I wouldn’t mention this stuff nearly as much. But b/c he isn’t in a team that empowers him or his play style, he needs to focus mainly on improving his jumpshot and ball handling. I feel like Cliff has been preaching defense defense defense so much to Jeremy that its actually hurting lin’s offense. His defense has DEF improved drastically, but I never really saw that as one of his weaknesses. Its a real shame that Lin doesn’t get a fair shot, but thats how it is being Asian in the NBA. Sorry guys but I needed to vent this out there haha. Everytime I watch Steph (my other fav player) go crazy, it always makes me so sad just thinking to myself what Jeremy could do with that kind of opportunity and trust. Well i think thats it haha. Feel a little better now.

  • new ATL game thread + What JLin’s reduced playing time and role may mean
    http://www.jlinportal.com/g58-cha-atl-game-thread/

    As the Hornets have notched 4 out of 5 impressive road wins, they will face the 6th straight road home against Atlanta Hawks.

    Courtney Lee experiment: Unfortunately, Jeremy Lin’s role in the Hornets has become a role player with reduced minutes as the Hornets experimented by giving Courtney Lee more minutes to see what he can do with more minutes. Lee didn’t exactly impress with 7pts/2asts/3rebs/3stls in 39 min with 3-10 shooting and 1-5 3FGM but we should expect the Hornets to give him more minutes in the next few games to see what Lee can give with more PT.

    Current JLin’s role: There has been fewer minutes & decreasing PnR plays called for JLin even in the Bench Force 1. Oddly, Kemba played more minutes with BF1 for the whole 1st quarter negating the need for JLin’s playmaking. But JLin had few chances to playmake in the 6-7 min in the 2nd quarter combined with fewer min in the 2nd half.

    What it may mean: The Hornets may assign the ‘versatile’ player role in JLin who can back up in PG/SG/SF, provide team defense and occasional finishing when others are not hot. It’s a sign that the Hornets understand JLin may have other appealing offers in the off-season that he may decline his 2nd year player option. There is no long-term plan with keep JLin as a backup PG unless he agrees to play with similar cheap salary & fewer minutes in a system lacking reliable PnR big men not suitable for his strength.

    With 25 games left, JLin and the Hornets may make the most of the remaining time by pursuing playoff experience and occasional chance to contribute in Hornets big wins. It’s a win-win short-term scenario but the reduced minutes and role point to a smaller chance of JLin resigning as a backup PG in the 2nd year player option.

    Here’s hoping that JLin would get more chances to contribute in big wins to help his Free Agency in the summer as he tries to help the Hornets to reach the playoff.

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s hope and pray he may seize his chance in limited minutes to contribute with his shooting to help the Hornets to win

  • Jeffrey Ludell

    What exactly is wrong or negative by saying that he’s a good super sub? or 6th man?

  • adele

    But how can he focus on his shooting and focus on defense at the same time plus you have to check with your coach every time you handle the ball and if you make a mistake you will not play and if you don’t play solid defense you can’t play also? How can any player be able to improve his shooting when during the game, he will just stand in the corner if not defending and wait until the last few seconds to shoot. He doesn’t even know when he will be able to hold the ball when Kemba is there because in his mind, Kemba will shoot.

  • adele

    Curry is given the free reign. Lin is not. Their roles are different. Sad that we can only wish but our Lin can’t have the same situation as curry.

  • adele

    Because if you are in a competitive environment, you don’t regress, you aim high and not settle for anything less if you want to be successful. That’s what we are hoping for Lin. That’s why we follow him. Lin is a very competitive person but unlike most of us, he is humble in spirit and his demeanor. That’s why his being portrayed as content with his situation. But we all know that Lin set higher goals for himself and let God do the rest.

  • adele

    No matter who you hire and you become better (because to me Lin gets better each season) but the team and the coach and even the team mates won’t support him, he won’t become like steph curry. We can’t compare them because curry is treated like a king while Lin is treated like a servant. Our clamor should be for Lin to find the right team and a coach like D’Antoni. Then we talk about shooting percentages. He won’t be able to achieve any of the stats we perceive him to make if the coach and the team won’t allow him to do it because they have a player that they need to cater to.

  • Acbc

    You should ask Harden if it’s okay for him to accept a super sub, 6th man role now. Would he consider it an insult? Lin has proven more than capable of starting as he has proven anytime he’s been given the opportunity to start and yet people keep saying Lin is not good enough to start and that he should be at best 6th man. That is why it’s negative.

  • Acbc

    Lol JT, you’ve done very well for yourself. If anything, I need you to teach me how to let go.

  • Acbc

    The music industry is so flawed. Having been on the ground selling their star making machine, I’ve grown jaded and look at music as mostly fluff with no substance.

    Once upon a time, when underground radio and college radio was “independent”, musicians made themselves and not packaged like some homogenized clever promotional boy band. Look at Bowie, he was a true artist.

    It’s not music if it’s just herd music.

  • JoeTeam

    me too, me too. I need to let go earlier and still serve. Maybe JLin too, but I trust in his relationship with his Mentor.

  • JoeTeam

    adele this is true, it’s like the case of a child who is encouraged rather than negatively reinforced. Yet, if you encourage your child too much, one has to watch out for entitlement. So, there you go, hard to be good as we become responsible adults. Now, on Curry, he really seems to have his humility engine on right. I always watch him and see JLin like him one day. JLin has been there, and he had a great head on his shoulders. Linsanity could have continued had the ball stayed in his hands and he did not get injured. We just haven’t had a chance to see it again since.

  • NONONO

    Exactly. That is why I do not care Lin’s chance to NBA 6th man of the year. I only vote him for All-Star.

  • Uh-Oh

    Read your previous post about “fans” category (rational vs irrational. Sane vs insane. ) and reread what I address.
    I disagree with you and others who like to put this simple word”fan” into some thing very complex, coming up with many different fan category. You guys are the one who don’t get it,especially those who come to a fan site and complain about its rationality and sanity.
    I m not mainly targeting psalm’s site( this site is great. No mods like this site doing such diligent work and give such attention and listening to the posters voice) I m targeting the general(sport star fans, singer fans, actor fans…) , who sometimes not only annoyed the hella of themselves but also annoyed the hella of others when they do that. ->that is to complain and insulting the fans for being too irrational or too fondly of the person the fans follow on a fan site. That to me is purely upon their fault. Like you say, you either ignore or say something that’s respectful. Or last option stop coming to a particular fan site if really can’t deal with the fans. Better than coming and whining.

  • Acbc

    Lol, Lin trusts Doc because he understands the biomechanics of what Doc is trying to teach him. Lin is after all a Harvard grad.

    What I do know is that the shooting stroke is as complicated as a golf swing or a tennis serve. It’s a kinetic chain of efficencies that can either deviate easily or keep the dispersion of errors to a minimum. Doc has convinced Lin to change his form to aligne his elbow the same way as Curry. You will notice that Lin has done that. He has improved his quickness of release by using the hop step just as Curry does when he needs to shoot quickly.

    Lin’s form has improved and is now close to be biomechanically perfect. What he needs now is to own it. A golfer can hit it great in practice rounds or on the range but until he can execute under pressure, he doesn’t own the form. It’s a matter of time and reps. The real problem is Clifford doesn’t make it easy for Lin by giving him many touches.

  • Acbc

    I saw that on highlights JT. When the Greeks said that peak athletic performances are the closes thing to being godlike, you can see how that idea came to be. Stef Curry shoots the ball and plays the game beyond our imaginations. He breaks the bounds of our beliefs of what is achievable. That is what makes sports valuable to society. It teaches us that we have to imagine the possibilities first in order to make it a reality.

    Somewhere there is a kid practicing that 35 ft shot in order to defeat Stef Curry. That’s what drives our society forward.

  • rookie75094

    No not enough…I should say super evil.

  • sws94

    This we agree on 🙂 I loved Bowie. And the boy bands are blech.

  • sws94

    Yes, just saw this. There’s bandcamp and soundcloud and so forth but the major thing is to find some truly like-minded, trustworthy people that understand the musicians, singers, artists and that their vision represents an extension of who they are and promotes or supports them. These people offering their art will realize that their audiences are true and who they are and hopefully, they’ll make enough through their art to be able to have time to make it. Most of them will teach and do something else as well.

    The idea of stars and marketable pretty people in major music and art is just something different. Some of the regulars you see on most award shows are true to themselves, but most are formulaic safe products promoted by a machine.

  • JoeTeam

    Iknow a guy twenty six years in who is like you say. He’s struggling to form his vision with resources and support.

  • JoeTeam

    And somewhere is a kid playing nba 2k going to come and flame us. In society at large, it’s ppl with weapons who don’t know the value of good living and social good.

  • Joe what do you know

    Agreed to disagree then. I just find it useless to talk about all these. Because obviously our way of thinking is very different. Whether you’re a mad fan of someone or not, basic courtesy for human interaction still applies. I don’t even know what classification I myself is under. I just know I have a strict discipline of trying my hardest not to offend people to my best ability. However I occasionally find myself on the receiving end of abuse simply because I posted something that some overly passionate Lin fans see as being not “pro-Lin” enough, as if there’s a tool to gauge if you’re deemed worth being a Lin fan or not…. Now that to me, is just wrong. Just because I don’t like to jump straight to conclusion and like to observe more before mouthing off about Lin’s coach and teammates seemed to have me labeled as “Lin doubter”. This are all from my personal experience in this forum since Lin’s 2nd year in Rockets. Let me put this straight, I’m definitely a Lin fan. I have no shame in saying that. It’s just I try to keep up with what he preaches and represent. And that to me is not what some of the people in this forum is doing. They might be very protective of Lin, but the way they do it is definitely not what Lin himself represents. So you call those people true Lin fans? It’s your call…