G5 CHA @DAL PostGame Thread

The Hornets won in a blow out 108-94 but there’s some controversy with Jlin fans on why he only played 17 min. He finished with 7p/2a/1r/2s/1b/4TO
Paul Villareal offered his observation that Devin Harris tried to rattle JLin a bit; that could’ve influenced less min.

It will be interesting to see how JLin’s role might change in closing games, especially when Jeremy Lamb is playing very well. It’s good to note that Al did not finish closing games before when Coach Clifford chose to use small lineup

On the bright side, if Lin doesn’t get to play many minutes as the 6th Man or a chance to be starter by end of season, he’ll most likely leave for another team next season. It will be the Hornets loss. It’s still a long season so let’s hope JLin will find his rhythm and contribute more soon

Upon more analysis, One thing was obvious from the highlights.
Refs blatantly had calls and non-calls against JLin to help Mavs avoid a blowout in Q3-Q4:

– Q2 41-34 JLin got called for offensive foul against JJ Barea. It could’ve been good acting by Barea
– Q3 78-67 No foul on missed 3pt-er with Powell’s hand on his chest as he fell down (DAL went 5-22 shooting in Q3). It would have given JLin 3 FTs which made 81-67 lead almost unsurmountable going in Q4.
– Q4 80-67 Parsons offensive foul running into JLin was NOT CALLED as refs tried to help DAL to cut the lead. Even Parsons looked to see if there’s a foul or hopefully a block. But NOTHING. It should be either one.
– Q4 83-69 Devin Harris tried to aggressively hound JLin & got called for a foul
Subsequent play, ref called a travel so quickly as they’re ready to call a foul to help DAL make a run
Coach Clifford’s face showed he can’t believe it. JLin looked at ref in disbelief. They know refs were working against them.

Q4 87-69 Good thing was Lin’s drive made Barea fall down as he made layup & refs had to call And-1. JLin smiled confidently as he extended the lead to 90-69! Mavs FAILED to rattle him

Refs tried to help DAL make a run but FAILED. It’s just one of those things in NBA when refs tried to help the home team trailing badly in Q3-Q4 with some questionable calls and non-calls. It’s so OBVIOUS but they can’t do it for long.

MEMBERS POLL

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  • blubell

    hi 🙂

  • Michael

    First!!

  • Arsenium12 .

    This is the route that the Hornets are flying to San Antonio. I presume it’s due to the weather in Texas …
    __________

  • Michael

    The scenic route.

  • DaVinci633

    Lin’s role will not change, this I’m sure! Clifford is a true chess match coach I feel.

  • DaVinci633

    Texas is SOOooo scenic

  • Hope

    Harris tried to jam Linn with full court presser, Linn handled it well. Foul on Harris, Followed by the phantom travel on the inbound throw. Dallas chest pump. Linn got pissed and finished the 3 pts play.

  • Alain Gervais

    hope so

  • DaVinci633

    I feel Clifford puts lin on the 2nd team so that he can go Linsane on the other team’s bench players. So far with Rockets and Hornets, I think that’s actually forreal.

  • Briiick

    Congratulations to Lin, the blowout expert !
    I have been missing such blowout wins since 3 season ago when Lin led Rox to blowout wins over Bulls and GSW.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    one thing i’ve noticed is that lin is subbed very late in the 1st and 3rd quarters. this may be because cliff expects lin to play most or all of the 2nd and 4th quarters. however things havent gone that smooth. the bench either stinks or its a blowout. very hard to predict what will happen in close games where the bench doesnt suck. this is probably why lins minutes are all over the place. i still remain optimistic that cliff sees lin’s value on the court.

  • blubell
  • Alain Gervais

    I need to see the minutes. until then i will not be happy. Dallas is bad so ill over look it.

  • Hope

    This team will compete for playoff spot.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here is the full photo from the late 4th quarter. You can see Clifford grasping Jefferson’s hand as he talks to him ….
    __________

  • leeda harun

    the funny things is the opponent coach really targeted lin as if lin is the sole engine for his team but in reality i dont think lin team see that…hmmm

  • cdblue10

    Being the 9th rotational player on this team is very difficult for Lin,he needs to bring his A game all the time,at least shooting for about 50-60%FG to have more playing time.I don’t think Hornets has a future plan for him,otherwise he should be playing for a 6th man role.I hope he will get his number around 13-15points/game to at least have a decent contract next year.I don’t think Clifford is a bad coach at all,he prepare way up before the games,it seems he respect JLin’s skill set and talent but they value Batum more than anything else.

  • leeda harun

    it is written on the wall…so early this year?

  • Guest

    Lin is brought in by Hornets with the hope that he would be able to help fire up the team’s performance. When the team is doing well, Lin isn’t needed at all.
    Have you ever r in your own company and you utilise your resources in pecking order?
    Needless to argue why Lin needs to play more minutes while his higher paid teammates play more minutes.
    Also, Lin appears to be happy and trusting. Why fret?
    I no longer watching games live because Lin’s role us diminishing…
    Ok, you can say its my loss but I couldn’t fight the disappointment of wasting almost 3 hours to watch Lin play a measly 15++ mins

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins minutes 27 27 21 19 17

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins ppg will go down to 11.6

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins MPG is 21

  • cdblue10

    Numbers are not looking good day by day but I hope it’s just because the blow outs.

  • Briiick

    Yes but Lin will do well in a winning team because he is a top PG and I don’t need to figure out things for him LOL. Things can’t be worse than in Rox (LAL was a tanking team).

  • Brent Yen

    Hairsanity continues!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Yeah. The Mavericks tried to key on Lin but the result was they lost big in the game. Clifford just let the Mavericks hung themselves and kept Lin on the bench.

  • Spot

    Just don’t tell me he believes in Jeremy.

    I don’t know if Jeremy and his camp are dumb or too naive.

    This is another McHale and Scott.

    Waiting for something to happen. Again.

  • FreetheMind

    Glad the team won. However, I think Lin playing only 17 mins is a bad trend while Kemba played 30. In blowouts, Kemba 25 mins with Lin about 22 mins should be about right. I hope this less mins trend does not continue. Lin should get 25 mins per game minimum.

  • cdblue10

    I won’t argue that at all,but as a fan I just want him to be a successful player…and of course,I wanna see him playing on the court most of the time than anything else.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

  • Rick Johnson

    You can track the flight in real-time here:
    Can see how they are avoiding the storm.

    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8923/history/20151106/0500Z/KDAL/KSAT

  • CJSHYY

    Did Lin play w Al on court at the same time today? Somehow I feel today’s Al show for Mav…. maybe they need to showcase Al, so Lin didn’t on that much plus Mav’s players seemed to target Lin on purpose so….?!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    We’ll find out next game. Spurs are really good and they don’t play dirty. No excuses not to give Lin his minutes.

  • Spot

    They will play with Parker and their bigs and he will play with Kemba and his bigs.

    So predictable. Anyway let’s hope and see.

  • Briiick

    Same here. I only watch when Lin is on the floor playing, not sitting.

  • Acbc

    First year Lin played with Rox, they had a back to back I around all star game. It was against Suns. Lin played great and sat after 20 min in a blowout. Mchale with no backbone allowed Harden to play 34 min to stat pad. Of course they lost the next game.

    Pop on the other hand got fined for sitting ALL of his starters in a schedule loss on national TV.

    So who’s the better coach?

    This how much I believe in Lin. I have absolute faith in him to bring it when it’s necessary and sit to allow teammates to get some burn. So why did some of the other starters get PT and Lin didn’t? As a coach, I tend to think like a coach and know that the season just started and I need to get my guys to improve their ability to work together, but their not getting it. The only guy I see who understands how to get others going is Lin. Meanwhile opponents are taking cheap shots at Lin and I need him to be fresh for the rest of this long road trip. I’m going to take my most important asset out and protect the one guy I can trust.

    It’s only 5 games. It’s a very very long season. Pop is an expert at pacing his team and getting ready for the playoffs. Someone earlier said that bball is a game of runs. That is absolutely true, but what is even more true is that peaking that run when it counts is just as important.

    One of the biggest problem with athletes is that they all think they are bulletproof. Good coaches must manage and make sure that players have as much in their tank as possible late in games and especially late in the season. Energy management is just as important as tactics and strategy now.

  • Rick Johnson

    Maybe it’s nothing but I didn’t like the expression on JLin’s face when he was walking off the court after Clifford said something to him:

    https://twitter.com/jain0517/status/662517570247897088

    https://twitter.com/jain0517/status/662517723490988032

  • leeda harun

    well i dont see that way..more like it is because other players did well..
    .

  • Briiick

    Well said.

  • grover chang

    the one thing I did not like about MDA. Did not rest Lin enough. thank you.

  • Rick Johnson

    Don’t like Houston but I like Texas BBQ. Yum

    Mike Cristaldi‏@mcristaldi
    Best postgame meal in the NBA. Even better after a win.

    https://twitter.com/mcristaldi/status/662499958738718721

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Well said. That’s my sense on Cliff right now. That’s why I’m not panic at all with the little time he played today. I was glad that JLin didn’t stay in to preserve him from injury.

  • Joe what do you know

    Were they actually “bonding” or were they trying to crush each other’s hand?

  • Hans

    Well said. Us the fans really need to calm down. We were expecting a Linsanity-esque performance and got 15 min of PT. Of course it’s disappointed. But seriously speaking, if we think about the team as a whole, it’s a blowout victory, what’s wrong with Jeremy getting more rest for the upcoming road game? Esp it’ll be against the spurs. Let’s not let our passion for Lin blind our eyes and rationality. Jeremy wants the team to be successful, and it’s on the right track.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You’re dreaming to even think Lin is that special to Clifford to dig deep to give all the excuses. Basketball is fun but NBA is business. Jackup stats for Harden was business to make his boss Morey happy for trading an all star. Spurs rest their aged starters also business as anything less than championship is failure to them.

    Lin do need his stats too. Making kemba and Lamb to play till the end was business. One just signed extension and the other just got shoe deal by owner. Got the picture? Sound like McHale isn’t it? Lin is a borrower at best unless …..

  • heart

    I wished the person who took this video heard what Cliff said to Lin and let us know. Lin’s reaction and facial expression were down/not good after Cliff said something to him.

  • Rick Johnson

    Tomorrow is the battle of the win-less teams. I hope the Lakers stay that way.

  • Keith

    Well said. I feel better now.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Clifford: Lin! Time to gel your hair….
    JLin: aye aye, coach!

  • Great to see JLin steal and fastbreak. Nice for Hornets to feature it
    This is the type of play to establish a player as a respected defender.
    This was the 2nd well-timed swipe after Jeff Teague’s one that went out of bound

    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/662452709346451456

  • FreetheMind

    Lin did not play a lot with Al. Al only got 27 mins.

  • heart

    There’s a video on you tube that Al & Cliff was having verbal exchange. Cliff is barking at Al after a win? What’s going on guys/gals, tell me…

  • Briiick

    Play of the Game ! That was the thought when I watched it.

  • Spot

    You can’t think about the team cause you’re not tie to that team for long.

    It’s just one year contract. If Charlotte find something better they will let you.

    This thing should be clear.

  • Brent Yen

    LMAO

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Lx

    COAST TO COASTTTTT

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    There were a lot of guessing on the game thread. Didn’t think we should pay a guessing game anymore. Only thing I know they are fine after the game was over.

  • sws94

    This is a good video from PFV.

  • sws94

    Well, Derrick Rose had a big game tonight against the Thunder. Lin’s is coming. Keep the faith.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I wished I could believe the reason Lin didn’t get more than 17minute tonight was solely because they wanted to rest him.

    Keep in mind the next game is in 3 day…Also, keep in mind Lin only played 18 minutes last game….Did he really need to rest, specially after only playing 18 minute the previous game against the Bulls.

    I think Cliff took him out because of the turnovers and lost confidence in him…From what I’ve heard, Cliff is very straight when it come to his point guard not turning the ball over…You can see this in Kemba, who is not risky when it come to passing..he’s very safe and conservative and that comes from the coach telling him not to turn the ball over.

    Cliff should had let Lin finish this game just to build his confidence instead of taking him out right after a turnover…Cliff really didn’t have much to lose since the game was already won.

    I see nothing wrong and letting Lin play the remaining minute and possibly stat pad a bit…I felt Lin should have had more point during the last game against the Bulls and Cliff only played him 18minute eventhough he was playing well…Why not let him finish this game, eventhough it was a blow-out.

  • Whitman Lam

    Austin is a nice city. The people are almost as liberal as the West coast cities.

  • CJSHYY

    I read lots of Lin’s fans asked to trade Lin out of Hornets that’s why they put this up?

  • bolero

    atleast one will win..

  • Michael

    Steak?!! oh streak.

  • Michael

    You sure the pilot didn’t drink too much?

  • Whitman Lam

    The Kemba – Lin backcourt is now history. Off the bench it will now be the Batum – Lamb backcourt. Where does Lin fit into this ? …… He doesn’t.

  • Spot

    Another McHale or Scott.

    Let’s see what happens.

  • Tey Ling

    The season is still at its early stage and if JLin had only 17 minutes in this game but the team won, we should be happy. The end goal is to get into playoff and we need JLin to be healthy to ride it through. There will be nights that JLin is needed for more minutes and there will be nights he is needed for less. So JLin fans “Don’t worry Be happy”.

  • no, this one was probably during game?
    which is consistent that they’ve been featuring JLin’s good plays regularly

  • CJSHYY

    I really think they probably told Lin before the game about he will play short today. Bc if you look at NBA video the one w Al & coach had fight….Lin look very OK to me. If he was benched like he did in Rox & LA, he would put towel on his head or sent out bible tweet… none of these happened.

  • Briiick

    The coach really bents backward to help Batum pad his “PG” stats. But it seems Batum didn’t pad well tonight. NBA really is very ugly. I am going to spend my time on other more healthy things like my other high profile friends do until Lin is allowed to shine on the floor.

  • Spot

    I think Jeremy chose Charlotte cause he thought to become starter sooner or later in the season.

    If he knew he would’ve played 17 minutes per game he would’ve chosen the Spurs.

    At least that’s what I think

  • your son’s voltaire

    yea. he probably chose Hornets cus he thought he’d get a fair shake since Clifford sounded genuine cus he talks basketball. but like with everything in life, politics is always in the way

  • Rick Johnson

    With the win the Hornets are now in a 4 way tie for 8th seed:

  • Steppen03

    We can speculate all we like BUT it is still action that speak louder than words. We can approach it negatively or positively. I rather dwell in the positives. If we truly believed in JL7’s all star abilities we will have NO worries because he will shine through sooner or later. There’s nothing to prove with ONE more bucket (as in this blowout game). Even if he scores 20 Pts tonight it’s not going to change other ppl’s perception about him. What I’m trying to say is: it’s going to be a long process for him to go through in order to be considered as “a starter material or among good PGs.” I know this much: he needs the right coach – Not to just give him minutes but to push him, mold him into a more complete player. I do believe in coach Cliff. Let’s us have some faith.

  • Spot

    I don’t think it’s about politica. It’s about Clifford playing him for fool in free agency.

    Happens in life.

  • Dorothy

    I agree with you. I wish it were as complicated as Acbc thought, but I am afraid it is not. Kemba played well in this game and did not need to improve the ability to “work together” with his teammates. If that was the concern, coach should put in Lin to use this blow out opportunity to make Lin “work together” with the team who hardly played with the first unit. It just does not smell right to me. I think coach took Lin out because Lin’s TO which was obvious Haw’s fault but coach obvious blamed Lin for the TO. I don’t feel good about this whole thing. More games will tell, but I really don’t feel good and hope I am wrong.

  • Dorothy

    agreed.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin will outplay Lamb 99 percent of the time

  • Spot

    Different roles, different attitudes.

    One is PG the other one is a SG.

  • Steppen03

    Spot,
    Again, let’s not dwell in the negatives of LA & Hou. This IS the Hornets – No drama queens, No tankers, Winning and getting to the Deep postseason. Do you think they can do all that without our JL7 ?? Now, that’s the real question.

  • Andrew Ho

    I’m a supporter of Lin, and I think there are two main reasons for his minutes. Think of the total number of minutes as a pie and each player gets a slice. Lin get his slice from PG and SG playing time. Lamb is playing insanely well at SG so more pie goes to Lamb, meaning less for Lin. This is just simple math. Second, his turnovers were pretty bad. Dallas also got the ball after the full court pressure from Harris on Lin. Yes at first it was a foul, but on the play immediately afterwards with Harris in his face again, LIn got called for the travel. If you can somehow put yourself in the Clifford’s shoes as a coach, then these are very legit reasons. If you want to see Ling get more mins, then he has to outplay Lamb and/or limit his turnovers (especially these ugly ones).

  • Dorothy

    Bball experts please tell me whether the coach set any play, screen for Lin tonight? Then we can talk about whether Clifford treats Lin as a role player or star player. Then we can see whether Lin played so few minutes is because Clifford wants to preserve his star player or not.

  • Rick Johnson

    Brooklyn favored by 3.5 in Las Vegas. Lakers pitiful.

  • Dorothy

    Some of the TOs are not Lin’s fault. Coach should know better than that, but he pulled Lin out right after hawe did not catch the ball he asked for. That does not show me he is an open minded coach. CHA won, but I don’t see Lin as happy as last game.

  • Andrew Ho

    I’m not an “expert” by any means but yes he did and has been getting screens for sure. I’m also pretty sure he’s not being preserved as the “star” player. His mins for this game specifically are low because imo as I mentioned in a previous post, Lamb is hot at SG and Lin’s turnovers were ugly.

  • Dorothy

    I mean set up any pnr for Lin?
    Lin had 4 TOs, 2 were from ref cheated on him, 1 was because Hawe did not catch the ball which was obviously Hawe’s fault. No, coach did not reserve Lin for better use later. People here are too naive and wishful thinking.

  • Andrew Ho

    Can’t say for sure about the pnr, don’t want to confirm anything without proof. And yeah, if we are talking preserving stars, I’m sure Kemba, Al and Batum would be considered first. I agree its wishful thinking.

  • Andrew Ho

    Agree TOs can be the fault of other players…Hawes definitely didn’t help the situation. Unfortunately turnovers is something Clifford is really really serious about – Lin has got to tighten up the handles, unfortunately one of the relative weaknesses of his game.

  • Briiick

    Batum had 7 TOs the other day and coach is handing Lin’s backup PG role to him as well.

  • Dorothy

    Clifford said after CHA signed Lin that he will let Lin play through his mistakes. It is not happening. Plus most of today’s TO are not Lin’s fault. SMH.

  • Dorothy

    this.

  • Andrew Ho

    hmm yes forgot about that. I can only think that from Clifford’s perspective maybe he thinks he has more choice at PG?

  • Andrew Ho

    Yeah I know, Lin may be on a shorter leash than we all expected. Cliff should not have promised that if he doesn’t intend to do it. I think that as the coach even if Clifford said he will let the player makes mistakes, in the heat of the moment because he wants to win games and he thinks a player is not doing well or struggling, he would be inclined to bench…

  • Dorothy

    If he used the same standard on Batum, the new PG, and Kemba, then I had no complaint you know. Plus today’s game is a blowout and he still gave a very short leash to Lin that is why I feel all this talk about how much he values Lin’s game…

  • Dorothy

    Guys, Here i am. Woke up 4 am at my time and can not go back to sleep due to the treatment Lin got from the coach. Not very healthy…

  • Andrew Ho

    can’t disagree with that…i guess we’re just gonna have to wait to see if the pattern continues

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    For all the concerns/complaints about JLin’s minutes and doubt about Coach, I’m more concern about JLin’s shooting hand. Wonder whether he has hurt his hand in the past 2-3 games. Saw him touched his hand when it happened at least twice in two different games. Hopefully he is ok.

  • leeda harun

    ha ha…take good care of yourself..we all worried about lin

  • leeda harun

    if so..i hope master Lo can do something about it.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Not very good! Take good care of yourself. Enjoy Hornets win.

    Obviously I wish JLin could have better stat and more playing time. I’m glad he avoids injury from those Mavs.

  • Briiick

    I am afraid that Batum is being turned into another Haren-lite. 1. He is taking over Lin’s backup ball handling role gradually.
    2. The coach is quietly reducing Lin’s play time and team support (such as picks) in order to pad his stats.

    Why does Lin have to be the one to lose in stats ?
    If Lin shines then playing Batum as a ball handler simply looks redundant and stupid, because Lin has the best PG instinct. This is very similar to the Lin and Haren competition.

  • Dorothy

    That is also my concern, not much about his hand though ( I did see him fell). I think it is hard to change an old habit which gradually crawls back if not reinforced. That is my concern that his shooting will slip back to the old form.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Master Lo is based in Taiwan. He only can help JLin when he travels in Asia.

  • Spot

    With Lamb and MKG injuried, Clifford prefered playing Batum SG when he’s always played SF.

    Hairston, who’s a sophomore, is a starter and get minutes.

    I don’t say nothing else.

  • Spot

    When you don’t feel trust, you can’t have good shooting.

    If Curry wouldn’t feel trust, he wouldn’t even try to shoot midcourt 3 pointer.

  • Briiick

    Well said. I notice that Lin’s smile was gone since the 2nd game.

  • Guest

    I wonder how much sponsorship revenue Kemba, Big Al and other Hornets players bring in for the team?
    If Jeremy is signed for his marketing demand but not his bball skills, I bet him being a very proud sportsman. And being treated like a 9th option on the team definitely makes him seething inside.

  • Spot

    True

  • Lam

    Take a deep breath and stay away from NBA and Lin for the next two weeks. Check back then to see whether “mistreatment” is real.

  • zxcvb

    This is obviously a vital season for Lin, but you can’t judge anything in blowout wins. Even Lebron ends up with junk numbers when games get out of hand like this. Not to mention Lin got in early (BS) foul trouble.

    I want to see what Lin’s mpg is like after 10-15 legit games before I board the Hate Train.

  • zxcvb

    He looked pretty good last game. Even tonight he looked good in the first half until he lost his rhythm due to the quick fouls and blowout win/garbage time. Lin has a history of low stats in blowout wins, even during Linsanity.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • JoeTeam

    Relax, he’s over it.

  • JoeTeam

    Heh heh, too many spooky ghost train movies and legends. Even in france. Trains scare me.

  • JoeTeam

    No I don’t agree ppl are naive and wshthnk

  • K. P. Chan

    Who is Master Lo?

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Clearly off and on there are communication problems in Lin and big guys setting up PnRs. It’s not like Ed Davis and Lin. This has to be sorted out. Lin will improve. Dallas has a plan to stop Jeremy according to Carlisle but he paid a big price on that because he could prepare for the game that Clifford has to install for him. The result is a blown out.

    I’m OK as long as the team wins. In the future, teams who is trying to stop Lin has to pay a enormous price; that is to lose the ball game by large margin. Lin will improve and overcome what’s ahead of him. Lin’s jump shot will be there when he can play with more confidence with Spencer Hawes. This is a new combination and it just takes time; sometimes it takes longer and the other shorter. Once Lin gets over the slump, he will improve a lot.

    There is no need to doubt coach Clifford. The fact is the team wins by large margin in the last two games. The guards of Mavericks didn’t have a good game neither. Relax and wait for Lin to break out this season. The opposition didn’t guard Lamb as much as Lin. The Hornets can hurt the opposition in many ways. Lin will prevail at last; I have confidence. The team is not playing hero ball. It’s just taking their opposition apart and Lin could spend time think and improve with the help of coaches to the next level.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    the way Harris hassled JLin reminds me of Rox’s Pat Beverly “junkyard” style. Hate it when the Ref isn’t calling the foul.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    One way to look at the game:

    Beginning of the 3rdQ score was 78-67 (11 points lead)
    3rd Q with 2:32 left Jeremy Lin entered the game for Kemba Walker score was 78-67 (11 points lead)
    4th Q with 7:46 left, Kemba Walker entered the game for Jeremy Lin. score was 93-74 (19 points lead)
    Before the 3rd team checked in with 2:47 left in the 4th Q, the score was 105-86 (19 points lead).

    That has basically summarized Lin’s contribution to the game. Lin has helped the team to increase the lead by 8 points. Even after he left, the first team could not expand the lead to more than 21 points and eventually had to leave with the same point margin.

    Mind you, the first team was slow and worked best in killing time. Coach Clifford checked in the first team to kill time and moved out Lin. This is a strategical decision in preserving the win rather than giving the Mavericks a chance to come back. I’m OK with it.

  • kittyhead

    He is a famous massagist in Taiwan. Here’s his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000331414360&fref=ts

  • adele

    Very true. If you look at the box score, Batum had 8 points in 34minutes. He is part of the teams future plans. His minutes are very consistent even if their plays are not. I encourage fans to look closely in the games and in the rotation and plays. Every player missed shots and have turn overs. But its up to the coach to pull out the player or not. Batum had 7 TO last time. Was he in the game? Yes. And still same minutes played.

  • Yellow

    I just put down the phone with a sports(soccer in particular) analyst to ask for his opinion.
    He said I’m delusional to think that the coaches treat a ‘star player’/game changer like how I inclined to see Jeremy is to play him less than enough minutes.

    He said, his reservation is that unless the team has a revamped plan that all the pieces are in place after the trade deadline and Jeremy’s minutes go up despite blow out wins( he pointed out that the starters/prized players are playing way more minutes) then only is he convinced, like the way many of us ( me included), that Jeremy indeed is trusted by the Coaches and allowed to make mistakes and play his brand of basketball. :(( But as of now, even though it seems to be still early, in his opinion, Jeremy isn’t regarded as high on the team as we think he is.

  • Yellow

    I feel Dorothy.
    I declined all Friday evening outings to come home to…may be sleep early…

  • the dribbling drills has helped him spot dribbling weakness and get steals like these

  • guest

    No, the team cant go deep into the postseason but they are trying and hoping that they can do without him. They are experimenting with their core players. Jeremy is probably an insurance that they buy cheap. If he doesn’t work, they just discard him next season.

  • Acbc

    In hockey, this would be the equivalent of sending in the penalty checking line to protect the lead. Like I keep saying Clifford has the first unit as the checking unit to start games and hope to be close until he sends in the scoring lineup with Lin in charge. They build the lead and repeat the cycle.

  • Phillycheese

    I am not concerned about Lin’s game today. Could he have played better? yes. Could he have padded his stats better? Yes. Here is why I am not as concerned – Lin was 3 for 8 that means he missed 5 shots. The first miss was a wide open three with no one around and Lin had too much time to tee it up. There was another miss where he completely got by his man and was a wide open 16 footer, a shot he has to take and will make more than not. There was a missed three on the wing which bounced up and off the rim and then Lamb put it back for a two, so no problem. There was another straight away three which he got knocked down without a foul call. So, I am not too concerned about his misses because they did not hurt the team. The turnovers were just careless – game was in hand and Lin was not focussed, it happens. All I know is that when ever he was in the lead increased. The only bad stretch was when they had the 10 point lead in the 2Q and Roberts can on which totally screwed up the team.

  • Phillycheese

    You’re imagining things.

  • Acbc

    It’s always a mess when two tankers collide.

  • Phillycheese

    Lin had already played a long stretch by then. Normally he would come out at that point for 2 min and then go back in to finish the game. Since it was a blowout he did not go back in. As simple as that.

  • Phillycheese

    It was a blow out win, there was no need for him to play more minutes. The starters got 30min since they helped get it to the blowout stage. It is not a conspiracy against Lin.

  • Rzo Vlade

    thats why fire doc schepler

  • Acbc

    Pslams should just pencil us in for Hairsanity all year. Lol

  • Acbc

    Wow, you just called Lin and family dumb and naive.

    Sometimes I really feel sad for Jeremy to be saddled with so many wonderful fans.

  • Spot

    Truth hurts, unfortunately.

    Let’s see what happens in the future.

  • Dorothy

    Look at how Batum is treated, that is the treatment of a star player. You made mistakes, 7 TOs? No problem. We let you play even more time and hand you the PG position to make sure you get a handle of it to improve your game.

  • TTNN

    Lin was shooting fine all pre-season and beginning of the first game, then after that fall at the end of half, he pass to Hawes, I think he was never shoot as good.

    It is also very uncharacteristic that he as not able to handle single coverage and seem to have problem to bring ball up, somehow I feel he was limited in a way, that some of his normal performance is not there, yet I was not able to figure out what could it be, his back or his wrist.

    Lin was given chance to play through his mistake during preseason, but not in regular season, and he was on short leash unfortunately. He’s been pull out after he made mistake in all recent games, but unfortunately, that did not really help him, as he is making more mistakes now.

    I don’t get why he looks like he has this much problem bring up the ball, I thought he is over that stage already. And if he start to shake up on pressure, every team will do that in the future. Last year, even trapped half court, Lin was able to handle it okay with Lakers.

  • AlexBB
  • TTNN

    yes, that’s pretty obvious. Unfortunately. Lin was betting on himself, he should not bet on his coach, I hope he get to the mentality that he had in Lakers, he need to put his things in his own hand, not on coaches or other player like Hawes.

  • Yellow

    WOW!!!

  • kittyhead

    Agreed. But they dont sign Lin as a star player or a core player from the beginning. It’s just fans’ expectation tbh. If Lin couldnt get his pre-season performance back or shows his improvement, I dont feel surprisred soon he wont be able to close games with Lamb’s breakout.

  • Yellow

    sigh…I refused to let my friend go unless he gave me something more positive but he just asked me to face the reality and not day dream or just hang in there past the trade deadline. :((

  • Yellow

    IIRC, during the last Summer Taiwan Jeremy bball training camp, KOPA said something to the effect that Jeremy’s too old to be a star player that any team would build around him…now I can’t find the vid that has that clips..anybody can please confirm that?

  • Spot

    It’s all Clifford. Let’s face the reality.

    Jeremy Lamb will close games in the future.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Incredible….I didn’t expect the ending to be so incredible!

  • Brent Yen

    Who cares….I want Lin to be happy

  • Yellow

    I want him to be HAPPIER!

  • Brent Yen

    There is no such thing…LOL

  • Dan Cohen

    ahhahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Acbc

    Steve Nash became a 2 time league MVP after 30. Cuban also thought Nash was too old and didn’t make an offer to Lin after he had turned the lousy Dallas franchise around. Cuban literally let Nash go for nothing like Lin was in NYC. Nash was wooed by Phoenix and even the owner went personally to sign him.

    Anyone that says Lin is too old doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

  • Brent Yen

    Thank you….LOL

  • Acbc

    Yes sir!

  • Acbc

    You would probably fire doc, agent, brother, mom and dad as well is the holy trinity if you could…..just so Lin can live up to your expectations.

  • Brent Yen

    LMAO

  • TTNN

    positive thing is that it is in Lin’s hand, if he turns around himself…………………………..

  • Dorothy

    Lin played very well at the first 2 games while the starters were all lousy. Coach let all the starters bounced back. as soon as Lin played not great, coach looses confidence in him, that says he never was a Lin believer to begin with.

  • Yascar

    This is disappointing and like many of you, I’m worried for him. But really, this isn’t the worse situation Jeremy has ever had in his career, by a long way. It’s frustrating right now, but I think he’ll get it and make the most out of his situation. For those who are inclined, let’s pray for him and keep sending good vibes. It’s a long season and at the end of it, I think he’ll be fine. I just hope that he’s happy.

  • wu kong

    to all of you that are doubting and fretting and worrying about his confidence… first:

    @CNM_JLin_Vids oh come on stop with the weak mind lack of confidence crap He needs play time to get into a rhythm. All players do— g (@monkeyes2) November 6, 2015

  • wu kong

    Second: Look at Jlin’s hair that man DOES NOT LACK CONFIDENCE!

  • Acbc

    The very same experts that didn’t pick Lin up after winning the state championship and player of the year in his state, the same experts that didn’t draft Lin after he singlehandedly changed the loser culture in Harvard. The same experts that said Lin was only a promotional gimmick, a third string scrub, and would wash out of the league? Lin was then a fluke, a third stringer, D leaguer, a turnover prone defensive liability. These experts keep trashing Lin and you’d trust them? Shame on you!

  • Yascar

    That may be true. It is what it is. Jeremy has to make the most of iut of this situation. There aren’t any other choices. Keep the faith and let’s see what happens.

  • Brent Yen

    LOL….it is just nonsense…

  • wu kong

    third: just be a fan and support him. stop asking for trades and such just send him encouragement. Too much fair weather fan stuff going on. I too want him to have more play time. He will or he won’t we cannot control that and it seems neither can he. just support him. maybe go back and watch his video:

    https://t.co/CzbODVySpd @JLin7 pic.twitter.com/9jZ6N2zfPe— g (@monkeyes2) November 6, 2015

  • Dorothy

    Thanks for posting. Need this laugh 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • Maknusia

    Yes Sir!

  • Maknusia

    you laugh…I laugh too

  • MEL LIN

    this is awesome

  • KHuang

    SNORE.

    Lin was being relentlessly hacked all game.

    Also, Spencer Hawes was CHERRY PICKING and didn’t run the plays like he was supposed to. Lin WILL get into Hawes for that.

  • KHuang

    You sure that’s “good” for Batum?

  • KHuang

    Frustration is something felt by you, not by Lin.

    Blowout road victory
    Beat down his matchups
    Got his teammates other than Hawes going
    Scored solidly despite ref cheating
    Didn’t have to exert himself much.

    What’s there NOT to like?

  • Yascar

    Hey, did you guys see the highlights Librafree posted? She’s saying there’s a missed assist in Jeremy’s stats. I have a bad connection and video isn’t going. Someone check it out?

  • Dorothy

    Depends on how one looks at it. In a way, yes, it boost his confidence and he bounced back and handles the ball even more LOL and SMH

  • sport

    LOL that last shot wow.

  • Dorothy

    Lin did not look happy, that is my ultimate concern. Sure I want him to have glorious stats…etc, but if I can have only one wish for Lin, I would rather him to be happy.

  • KHuang

    Only one point I don’t quite agree on:

    If Lin plays only 20 mpg but the team WINS LIKE CRAZY, I’ll happily take it.

    I wrote before the season that I’d be completely happy if Lin from the bench blew out his opponents and thus would play lower minutes. Well, that’s what’s happening!

    The starters, specifically Al Jefferson, dominated Dallas’s overmatched starters. Then Lin came in and dominated Dallas’s overmatched bench. Poor Dallas had no chance this game because Lin and Jefferson overpowered them.

    Lin was not needed much this game. That’s a good thing!

  • KHuang

    If Spencer Hawes had showed up ready to play, he would have made his cuts and set his screens and hustled in a way that would have relieved pressure off Lin.

    Hawes needs to learn that just because he is a 9 year veteran that he still needs to HUSTLE.

  • 7:14 highlights

  • Yellow

    PFV is now saying Jeremy has confidence issue?

  • Yellow

    I think PFV got it wrong. Jeremy Lin is one of the most confident persons on the planet.

  • Acbc

    I’ve been shaking my head so much that I’m getting whiplash.

    After 3 years of looking from the outside, Lin’s finally allowed to go into a candy store. He’s so happy to finally grab the lollipop he’s been eyeing, but all his fans outside keep yelling at him to grab everything he could, some even want him to take over the store!

    Smh, smh, smh…ouch!

  • wu kong

    I base my more minutes on the stats analysis I have done showing he excels at the 30 minute mark. lots of players have drop offs after long periods on the floor JLin get better and 30 minutes is his peak performance. O I am greedy and would like him to get to play his peak game… mostly because I enjoy his style of play.

  • sport

    Except Lamb is more consistent in scoring and always looks to score unlike Lin.

  • wu kong

    I don’t think anything last night had to do with him lacking confidence in himself or a slump. That few minutes is a crap shoot. either you are immediately hot or not. no time to get into a rhythm.

  • Brent Yen

    I think ppl have very different definition on that word…

  • Yellow

    I respect your posts but please don’t put my friend down if you do not know him in person at all.
    He isn’t an NBA scout. He doesn’t stereotype any player. Think before you speak please.

  • Brent Yen

    NICE!

  • Yellow

    Go tell KOPA youself, please.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Look at the in and out minutes, it’s worse than Houston.

  • Wayne Li

    Mavs is paying the price of letting Tyson go and BigAL had an unchallenged night I guess

  • KHuang

    From what I’ve seen, Lin easily produces at the same per minute rate in less than 30 minutes as he does in 30 minutes provided that his bench teammates STOP PLAYING DEAD.

    In my view, the sole problem with Lin coming off the bench is that he’s forced to play alongside incapable or inconsistent players who are unable to produce regular results. It was Zeller with his dehydration that messed Lin up the first 3 games, and this game it was Hawes simply PLAYING LAZY.

    When Lin’s teammates don’t show up to play, it dramatically affects Lin negatively. Opponents are able to abandon Lin’s nonperforming teammates to gang defend him. That’s the case whether Lin is a a starter or reserve.

  • sport

    I agree actually 32 minutes would be the best for great performance but Lin has gotten that since 2nd season with Rockets.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lakers. In Rox Lin didn’t have lots of under 20 min game.

  • heart

    That what I just said in my reply to Buzz on the other site. He or she is regurgitating the same ‘old’ myth that ‘Lin is fine as a backup PG.’

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Except when inside the candy store, there’s a long line of vip before it gets to Jeremy.

  • KHuang

    If Spencer Hawes had simply not been LAZY, it would’ve relieved tremendous pressure off Lin and he’d have scored more.

  • Yellow

    Who here demands Jeremy to take over the store? No one here demands that. All we are asking for is Jeremy be given the candies that he promised and well deserves for. geez

  • Yellow

    That’s right!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He weren’t cheering from the bench as he usually does.

  • KHuang

    Amidst all the fretting by Lin fans, there’s a really encouraging sign:

    Lin’s bench still hasn’t fully played well and the team is still winning!

    In the Chicago game, all of Lin’s teammates were clicking. It was an epic blowout, much like the Clippers preseason game. Opponents could not pressure Lin because Lin’s teammates were aggressively cutting to open spots and Lin was able to punish Chicago for loading up on him defensively.

    This game SHOULD HAVE been a blowout like Chicago. But it wasn’t because Spencer Hawes didn’t hustle hard enough to compete effectively. I’m sure Lin will “discuss” this with Hawes in practice.

    Now if Hawes can realize after 9 weak NBA seasons of lackadaisical play that he’s a VETERAN PRO who needs to HUSTLE, then Lin’s bench will fully gel and the Chicago style beatdowns will continue!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin was a very important piece for that team, especially his last playoff.

  • Brent Yen

    Lin will be great…

  • sws94

    Lin had a chance to break by accelerating to his left a few times. He’s got to break D like that.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    We just see things the same way not wishful thinking.

  • Yascar

    I didn’t watch the game in full. Was it the assist to Zeller they haven’t counted?

  • KHuang

    Not really.

    It’s just that the line was STUCK because Zeller and Hawes have been ASLEEP (though Zeller seems to have come alive).

  • KHuang

    That’s because Houston’s starters SUCKED and Lin had to SAVE THEM.

    So far in the last 2 games, Lin’s not had to save the Charlotte starters.

  • guest

    People make it sounds like Devin Harris is such an elite defender but the fact remains his defense isn’t any where close to superb…more like Pat Bev reckless, got-to-hurt-your-knee type of fouling..

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Haws played more mins than lin yesterday, not sure Clifford saw the same you saw or blamed it on lin for bad pass.

  • Yellow

    You don’t need to go to other site. Here we can find many fans are happy with Jeremy being a backup PG…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    We can dislike Harden but he’s much better than kemba. And Howard and Jefferson?

    Lamb is now the team new closer with kemba, not lin.

  • 22cents

    That shot is insane! Ha Ha

  • KHuang

    Hawes DID NOT HUSTLE.

    Inconsistent hustle has been a recurring theme in Hawes’ career. That’s why he has bounced from team to team.

    On this Charlotte team, Linstructor will grab Hawes and demand that Hawes PLAY HARDER. That’s what Lin did with Lamb, and now Lamb has fully shed his OKC laziness.

    Hawes actually appreciates Lin’s excellence. But Hawes needs to STEP UP too. Hawes can’t just cherry pick, waiting for Lin to produce everything for him. If Hawes wants to produce, he’s gotta man up and HUSTLE.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    In that case no reason to bench lin when they were still up by 19.

  • One thing was obvious from the highlights.
    Refs blatantly had calls and non-calls against JLin:

    – Q2 41-34 JLin got called for offensive foul against JJ Barea. It could’ve been good acting by Barea
    – Q3 78-67 No foul on missed 3pt-er with Powell’s hand on his chest as he fell down (DAL went 5-22 shooting in Q3). It would have given JLin 3 FTs which made 81-67 lead almost unsurmountable going in Q4.
    – Q4 80-67 Parsons offensive foul running into JLin was NOT CALLED as refs tried to help DAL to cut the lead. Even Parsons looked to see if there’s a foul or hopefully a block. But NOTHING. It should be either one.
    – Q4 83-69 Devin Harris tried to aggressively hound JLin & got called for a foul
    Subsequent play, ref called a travel so quickly as they’re ready to call a foul to help DAL make a run
    Coach Clifford’s face show he can’t believe it. JLin looked at ref in disbelief. They know refs were working against them.

    Q4 87-69 Good thing was Lin’s drive made Barea fall down as he made layup & refs had to call And-1. JLin smiled confidently

    Refs tried to help DAL make a run but FAILED. It’s just one of those things in NBA when refs tried to help the home team trailing badly in Q3-Q4 with some questionable calls and non-calls. It’s so OBVIOUS but they can’t do it for long.

    I haven’t watched what happened afterwards. Probably JLin didn’t come back in in a blowout against refs who got the call to target him. @Jeremiah:disqus had an interesting conspiracy theory that Cuban and Mavs wanted to send a message since he didn’t wait to sign up as the Mavs in the off-season but chose Hornets instead.

  • sws94

    Lin had bad TOs in that same game and was able to return into that game and close it out. That comparison doesn’t work. In this particular game, he didn’t like the way Lin looked at that point and neither did I. He wasn’t pulled after the travel and made a few good plays after the travel. I don’t think Lin is being handled only as a backup PG, I think his playing needs to improve.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin said the Mavs showed no interest after D jordan having second thought.

  • NONONO

    I was happy for W yesterday. With a bit concern some of our Lin fans’ disappointment for Lin’s minutes or performance, we should be happy Lin’s some advanced stats in last night game might be very good which you cannot see from his mins and points. I found a article from Mavericks this morning to confirm my observation last night.

    “A huge key to the Hornets’ first-half success came as a result of penetration into the lane. Kemba Walker and Jeremy Lin used ball-screens and crafty dribbling to knife their way into the paint, and as a result Charlotte was able to score 1.28 points per possession when the ball entered the paint. ”

    http://www.mavs.com/the-fast-break-mavs-vs-hornets/

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hawes was worse than Asik in term of catching a pass

  • sws94

    Hawes was lazy but Lin took too long on that play. Overall, Hawes and Lin have to play better together because Lin is “stuck” with Hawes.

  • David Kim

    When Lin got tight d by Harris , Lin teammates should have helped him..

  • Lamb tried to come up but it was a bit late. They just realized refs were trying to help Mavs by the time ref quickly called travel on Lin.

    Clifford’s face & JLin’s face said it all. They knew refs were working against them.

  • Acbc

    That’s like saying the sky is blue. All athletes have confidence issues. Athletes do stupid things like eat at the same place when they are playing well. They eat the same dish over and over again. They don’t walk on lines and they must bounce the ball 10 times like Sheldon has to knock 3 times at Penny’s door.

    Any coach worth their salt is always trying to build them up, even if their name is Curry.

  • sws94

    PFV has said this for a long time. And Lin has said he has had confidence issues himself.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Exactly, where’s the screen?

  • KHuang

    Bad refereeing is just part of the NBA game.

    Fans don’t like it when their home teams are blown out on their home courts.

    So to protect the hapless home team, Lin gets targeted by refs. It’s ALWAYS Lin because he’s the only Asian on the court.

    Bad refereeing is Lin’s worst enemy in the NBA. It’s even more damaging than bad coaches or bad teammates.

  • KHuang

    Hawes was LAZY, so he bottlenecked the offense and prevented teammates from doing proper help for Lin.

  • sws94

    Lamb hasn’t closed one close game. He is when he does so a few games in a row. And I personally think Lamb isn’t going to keep up the level of his play nor does he have the defense good enough to close games.

  • KHuang

    At least Asik CUT and SCREENED.

    Hawes doesn’t even do that.

    Linstructor will see to it that Hawes plays harder.

  • they could be taking their sweet time and not prioritize him
    so Lin rightfully can choose a team that wanted him

    Mavs is definitely not the right place with Cuban favoring Parsons as the handsome Point Forward

  • sws94

    Asik was a wall as a screener. Asik’s problem was hard hands, not hustle or effort.

  • NONONO

    Although the article only mentioned the first half, and was happy they handled Lin in 4Q for —– 13 secs. But we hall saw Hornets gained 20+ points when Lin was on the court and Walker was off during in about 6-8 mins between 3qd and 4 qd.

  • KHuang

    Given how BAD Harden was in Houston with his atrocious selfish play and opponents regularly outscoring him, I would not call Harden better than Walker.

    And Dwight Howard that couldn’t score unless Lin was setting him up for a dunk? USELESS on both ends of the court. At least Jefferson can score.

    The game was actually CLOSED by Lin AND Lamb in the 4th. When Lin subbed out, it was garbage time. Walker and Jefferson came back to ensure that the 3rd string’s frozen butts didn’t completely lose the lead.

  • NONONO

    Teammates not get used to big + scores. With Bulls, they def was not that well too – Bulls has ~50% FG.

  • Phillycheese

    Just watched PFV’s video. I usually agree with most everything Paul talks about but in this case I think his argument is way off base. Using the Harris defense PFV’s premise is Lin had confidence issues (score was Hornets up 16 at the time). The next few sequences – Lin drove to the hoop and tried a lefty scoop (if he was not confident he would not try this shot). Lin stole a pass from Harris. Lin then broke JJ’s ankles on his way to an and1. Lin had a cocky smile (like when he hit that three with the Knicks when Tyson smacked the rebound back to him with no time on the clock) at the free throw line. Lin then got out on the break with Zeller and Williams got a flagrant. Lead then went to 23. I don’t see the evidence of Lin being rattled.

  • KHuang

    The Mavs lost interest in Lin when they:

    1) realized Raymond Felton was stuck with them for another year when Felton exercised his player option

    2) got in on the Deron Williams sweepstakes when Williams was released by the Nets due to his atrocious play – and we all know how Mark Cuban is obsessed with “All Star point guards”.

  • KHuang

    Ref rattled maybe, confidence rattled no

  • sws94

    Paul’s point was overall Lin has had confidence issues and guys go after Lin because he is perceived to be soft. He said Dominique made the statement that if you put pressure on Lin he’ll turn it over. Well, that’s what he did. He pointed out all of the good things Lin did after the travel call.

  • KHuang

    Lin CLOSED OUT the game during that span of utter destruction.

    That buried the Mavs right there.

    The Hornets are beating teams in the 3rd quarter. That’s because opponents are worn out from holding the surging Hornets off.

    The Hornets have two starting lineups – and the bench lineup is stronger than the starters!

  • KHuang

    Confidence issues DO NOT APPLY when Lin’s team just executed a BLOWOUT VICTORY.

  • sws94

    He didn’t just blow by Harris. How would Kemba handle Harris’s pressure? I think Kemba would have broken his ankles. Lin simply doesn’t have the grace under pressure dribbling or skill dribbling and handling skills that other PGs have under heavy pressure. I want to see improvement there so he can move to the next level and can be trusted as a starting PG or the main handler on the floor. It’s a weakness in his game.

  • KHuang

    That’s arguable, yes.

    But Clifford doesn’t have a long history with Lin like he does with Walker.

    I saw nothing wrong with Lin sitting during garbage time. It’s not as if Lin would gotten more stats anyway.

  • KHuang

    Hawes CAUSED Lin to get stuck.

    Lin will REPAIR Hawes on this.

  • NONONO

    Absolutely. there 77 games to play , plus play-off games, Lin will have a lot of chances.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    It’s definitely premature to panic or lose all faith in this coach. But we will know for sure once the Hornets face a very high-powered team such as the Spurs, Cavs, or Warriors. If JLin is perfectly healthy and yet Clifford does not play Lin at least 25 minutes to try and get the win, well then the answer will be crystal clear.

  • Phillycheese

    I don’t think it was confidence issues that led to the t/o. The first turnover was a bogus foul. The second was careless pass. The third was that joke of a travel call. The fourth was another careless pass to Hawes. I think Lin played too loosely ie not focused. They were up so much and he was over confident and not 100% vested.

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think Kemba will break his ankle…I think what would happen is Harris will be called a foul way earlier..

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is no soft. He is now playing with looking over shoulder more than McHale day. Tell me one play when he walks up mid court without looking at Clifford for play? Kmba, batum n Robert do not have to do that

  • Phillycheese

    It was one play and Lin got a foul out of it. If Harris was so successful rattling Lin, how come he never tried it again?

  • sws94

    He’s talking about a perception as a ball handler and nothing else. It’s a part of his game that is being attacked, not who he is overall as a player. Dwight Howard said something like Lin is an awesome player when he’s confident. I think we’re in denial if we don’t notice that sometimes has far more attack and swagger when he’s playing vs. other times regardless of who he plays with.

  • Yellow

    Statistically, Jeremy needs to play at least 30 mins to win close games so I’m hoping to see 30 mins or more.

  • Phillycheese

    Exactly. Harris actually looked like a fool. He threw the ball away a few plays later. Lin got his and1 and gave the Mavs that blue tongue smile.

  • Brent Yen

    There is a reason why PBev is ONE of the kind…LOL

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Of course the more minutes the better. I was trying to define a “litmus test” and set a low threshold 😉

  • sws94

    And he traveled after that call. That’s the problem. Lin got disrupted in that he didn’t get to execute the play. He was thrown off of his game in a way that if he had used his skills more and got past Harris, he would not have been. He has to break pressure like that, break Harris’s ankles or blow by him. He has to improve under that type of bully close pressure. What he did after he had space. He has to show he can create his own space on a close one-on-one situation.

  • Yellow

    😛

  • NONONO

    At least, I am happy for Lin – 1. Hornets is not a tanking like Lakers and has a chance to be top 4/east (Lin’s contributions not just on scores) 2. Lin’s defense has improved from good to very good (he always does well when the team focus on offence and team defense). 3. Every time when Lin is on the court, team scores is better even in those losing games.

  • Acbc

    Now you are accusing Lin fans on this site of having a loser mentality? I know you aren’t happy about Lin’s minutes but to think that anyone else on this site is happy with Lin as a backup is absurd and borderline slap in the face.

    the real difference is that all the tiger fans want things to be what it should be if the NBA and America was a rose garden with no hate or racial bias. You all think that by putting up big numbers and scoring 50-60 points will make him a starter and a MVP. Instead, Lin will be called a ball hog, a selfish egomaniac and a selfish player.

    You think we are delusional but the truth is its you tiger fans that are delusional. Linsanity was undeniable fact but 3 years later, they’ve managed to erased that record as fluke. If Lin puts up Linsanity 2.0, it will probably get the same treatment again, just because they can.

    Everyone on this site hates the fact that Lin isn’t a starter and getting starter minutes. THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE NEVER BLAME LIN AND TRUST HIM TO CONTINUE TO DO HIS BEST NO MATTER HOW THE WORLD AROUND HIM CHANGES. LIN CONTROLS THE ONLY THING HE CAN CONTROL AND THAT IS HIS OWN PROCESS TO BE THE BEST HE COULD BE, WITHOUT DOUBTS AND WISHFUL THINKING.

  • Phillycheese

    Some of his fans want him to play 30 min and the Hornets win a blowout (so there is less finger biting). That’s not going to happen. When there is a blowout, the way the sub patterns work, Lin would not get back on the court to close the game out. The starters would have gotten their rotation in so their minutes don’t suffer. Lin will only get his 30 mins if the game is close.

  • Brent Yen

    That call was…..doubtful

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s the pattern tells us what it is, we are not panic but to be aware and prepare. Lamb is closing game with kemba now and will soon a starter.

  • sws94

    It’s not Harris, I don’t care about him. I think Kemba handles that pressure better than Lin. It’s why he’s trusted to be a starter vs. Lin.

  • BobbyH

    Personally I don’t see the Harris fiasco cast much effect on Lin’s play negatively. It is all PERCEPTION, by whoever wanted to see or not to see. Let’s look at the FACT in the game.

    As some posters pointed out, Mavs couldn’t get the offense going for a good 100 seconds in the beginning of 4Q as they saw the lead by Hornets extended and they got frustrated and the genius Harris came up this act, helped by refs, to rattle Lin. But guess what, Clifford did not pull Lin out right after the incredible travel call on Lin and let Lin played through for 2 more minutes (including the +1 play, which I believed was the response from Lin on those fiasco and ref’s bad calls) and extended to lead from 11 to 24 at some point.

    Did Harris kept that pressure on Lin for every play? No. that is not sustainable and it is just a symbolic struggle of a failing team. What matters is to get the WIN and get the last laugh.

  • sws94

    I watched it a few times, Brent. It was a travel. It was a correct call.

  • Yes, you and I know from watching NBA for a long time that refs can play their dirty game to make games interesting & favor blessed players/teams, i.e. Kings & Lakers playoff, Donahue’s revelation of gambling refs, etc.)

    Hopefully if MJ makes a big deal about it to help Hornets & his Asia business, refs would back down more.
    It’s all about the Biz & NBA politics

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    All I’m saying is that tomorrow the debate should end.

  • Brent Yen

    Not saying it was not,,,just saying it usually would not be called…everyone does that…sometimes

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is a bench not starter, he should play more in blowout game.

  • sws94

    Oh, the calls were terrible this game. And you’re right, others do it and don’t get called for it. But, at that point in the game the way it was called, he’s going to be called for it.

  • Brent Yen

    IDK…I feel Lin handled ok…..I think the factor is something else…LOL

  • NONONO

    He might be worry about offense fault during that 13 secs. Overall, he done well.

  • wu kong

    he gets to play more time and he knows he has the time no matter what that is the difference that is all.

  • Brent Yen

    He clearly did not think so..but well it happened….just one TOV…

  • Brent Yen

    IDK…blowouts belong to 3rd PG I think

  • Phillycheese

    We watched a different game then. I saw Lin go to the hole repeatedly this game when it called for it. In the Chicago game he was attacking even more. He has learnt you cannot put your head down every time down the court and barrel into the basket. He managed the game well in my opinion – just look at the score.

  • sws94

    I think he should have just used his speed to get away from Harris. Harris isn’t fleet of foot and the only thing he could try to do was bully Lin. Lin could have made him look stupid by just evading him rather than try to dribble out of the situation.

  • 22cents

    After the drive basket and +1, the commentators did mention that Hornet is a better team because of Lin, Lamb and Williams.

    ^_^.

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think Lin wanna move at all…LOL….as long as the ball is not lost….they were up big….perfect time to just dribble…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He might feel he’s a target but that is playoff atmosphere. Need more mins to prepare in post season

  • NONONO

    Looking forward tomorrow for Lin vs Parker and/Or Ginobili.

  • Phillycheese

    Thank you – finally some people who saw the same thing I saw.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Frustrated Harris

  • sws94

    We saw the same game. It’s just when you are watching a game, there are good moments and bad moments for Lin. Lin needs to improve and minimize the bad moments and a lot of the bad moments are as a ball handler who is pressured. He’s not as secure as he needs to be there.

    I think Lin played well most of the game. But those bad plays really stick out to observers.

  • Yellow

    You don’t have to shout and put words into my mouth. I never accuse anybody. Thanks.

  • Yascar

    I tend to agree with you. Jeremy didn’t actually lose the ball, Harris had to foul him. It was desperate showboating by a team that was losing badly.
    Now the travel call, I’ve watched it 3 times. Still don’t see it that clearly. Not a bball expert though.

  • Phillycheese

    Lin has always been a clutch player. When there is nothing on the line he plays worst. Remember when Harvard first scouted him. You could not be more wrong.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Then why starters were out late into the end?

  • sws94

    Lin is a target. He doesn’t need much space to be effective. But he needs some. So opponents try to take away that space. They don’t want Lin not only to score, but create for teammates.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    17 minutes then they sent starters back in with lamb, that’s not how you treat clutch player.

  • Brent Yen

    I guess they are not starters worthy…LOL

  • BobbyH

    It is obvious that refs were targeting Lin last game, making the insignificant significant. Role players get the call but not the superstars. Sometimes I am wondering if there is an organized group behind NBA/Refs to manipulate games like last game, putting a whistle plan against who and who.

  • sws94

    You still want to execute a play. And you don’t want a TO.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    As long as kemba and lamb are healthy, the panic become reality

  • wu kong

    there are several scandals with refs and cheating. as well as box score scandals and the rise of fantasy BB makes it even more likely there are bad actors working for and against certain players.

  • Phillycheese

    The starters came out at 2:48. From about 4:58 to 2:48 there was no stoppage of play since neither team could score, foul or call time out. If there was an earlier stoppage, I am sure the third stringers would have gone in much earlier.

  • sws94

    There is a big difference between Kemba’s strong handles vs. Lin. Really, there’s no comparison. Kemba is a better ball handler. And that’s really the only place he’s better perhaps. Lin has better vision, shoots better, defends better, probably makes better PG decisions, but Kemba handles the ball better.

  • Wayne Li

    Just happy for the win, isn’t an unselfish team sport about ?

    But I do believe Hornets will have issues when the season goes on. The reason is very simple, NBA is a professional sport and there are three key players in their contract year: BigAL, Nic and Jeremy.

    What it means for a NBA player in his contract year: he needs stats for his next contract. Among those three, only Jeremy Lin is sacrificible. If I am the owner or coach, I will make the same choice, it is just the simple truth or hard reality whatever you called it. No matter how many LOFs have their wishful believes.

    Evidently, BigAL already had his first open shouting match with Cliff.

  • Phillycheese

    He wasn’t clutch this game since he didn’t need to be clutch. Like I said, Lin usually sits at the 7 min mark of the 4th, rest for 2 min and then comes back in to finish the game (if it was close). Normally he would have subbed in earlier in the 1st and 3rd quarters and that was why his minutes was lower. Given the previous sub patterns he would have played about 20 min in a blowout.

  • sws94

    I wouldn’t take much from that shouting match. Al praised the coach afterwards and they were friendly after the shouting match.

  • very well said!

    If Clifford doubted JLin’s ball-handling skill & ability to handle pressure, he’d have bench JLin before JLin had a chance to make the And-1 play to extend the lead to 90-69 😀

    I think we can take comfort to know that Coach Clifford trusted JLin’s ability to handle pressure that he had a chance to put the Mavs away with an And-1 play embarrassing Barea helplessly falling on the floor . 90-69!

    GAME OVAH .. as @@disqus_SyuAk23JI7:disqus would say it LOL

  • Brent Yen

    LOL….maybe Lin should join the match too…

  • sws94

    Lin handles pressure well. It’s ball handling pressure that needs improvement. Coach has another ball handler with Lin in critical points of the game and often they initiate the offense (Batum and Kemba). Yes, he trusts Lin and knows Lin can make big plays, but I’m not sure he trusts Lin to be the primary ball handler. He wants Lin to be a primary facilitator because Lin does so well. It’s just the ball handling to facilitate that becomes a factor. It’s something Lin has to watch and improve on.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Lin has now played in over 300 NBA games including 10 playoff games. He’s played in the D-league. Under the bright lights of NY and LA. Under hostile coaches like McHale and BS. Under the intense pressure of Linsanity. But now with a supportive coach playing for the small market Hornets against the lowly Mavs he suddenly has confidence issues? That is total bullcrap!
    And if he did have any lapse in confidence (which he does not) the last thing PFV should do is give his asinine speculations about it. Confidence issues can be self-fulfilling prophecies and lead to vicious circles. I’ve met a lot of really bright people in my life but none of them would ever point at their own heads and yell “super-genius.” Only PFV and his bro do that.

  • Wayne Li

    Impulsive reactions tells you much more than polite interviews.

  • Phillycheese

    Sorry, when did Lin turn the ball over under pressure this game? You call that travel a pressure turnover? No way – the refs had it in for Lin the whole way. You can’t hand check when the ball handler when they are facing you which Harris was doing the whole time. That Chandler ran over Lin and there was a no-call. That Lin got knocked down attempting that three. There were many instances which pointed towards a ref bias in this game. Not just against LIn but actually the whole Hornets team. There was another charge against Kemba that they called a block which was a joke.

  • sws94

    Derek Parker and Mavs announcers are big on Lin. They don’t trash talk him, they respect him, and I think they like and appreciate his game.

  • JW

    Batum for sure is who they really wants to keep for next year. You can see it in his minutes even when he was making TO and not hitting his shots.

    With the trades they gave up for Batum, they really need to make sure it was worth it. For Lin, he’s just $2 mil. Perhaps they think they can resign him cheap again.

    For now, I just want to enjoy them playing team ball and it looks to be that for now.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Smh, your wishful thinking is trying to justify lin getting less min by the game.

  • Wayne Li

    Hopefully, JLin will not vs them on the bench.

  • sws94

    The Parsons thing was comical. I was yelling at my monitor on that one. Refs were terrible, but the travel was called. The Kemba call was terrible. In fact, one of the fouls on Lin was a moving screen. That’s when Lin was taken out in the first half and he was playing well up to that point. Lin should have gone to the line for 3 FTs when he got knocked down. If he hits them he’s in double figures scoring for the game. The refs calls favored the Mavs for sure.

    I think Lin needs to improve his ball handling under pressure. If you look at the Atlanta game where he got the 3 TO bundle and tonight, it’s a relative weakness in his game. I really think it is that aspect of his game that keeps him from being a starter. If he can improve that, I think more things will open up for him.

  • Definitely .. JLin can continue to improve on ball-handling pressure, not giving a slight room for refs to blow whistle

    But at the same time, had the refs not working on Lin to help Mavs, it would’ve been a non-call

    So it’s good for all Lin fans to get the right perspective that even Duncan the superstar, future HOF would have calls called against him & the Spurs in the playoff all the time. Spurs got this bad call all the time just because they’re the small market

  • Phillycheese

    Look, I am not excusing Lin this game. He did not play as well as I wanted. He was loose and careless with the ball on that one possession to Hawes and the coach rightfully sat him. But overall, I think he did alright. These confidence issues that is being brought up sure sounds like trollish comments since I saw no real evidence of this. Like I said, Lin went to the hole twice immediately after the Harris harrassing – once he tried an audacious lefty scoop. A non-confident player would have sat in the corner and hid. Lin came back from that play and defended Harris how had to kick it out for a missed three from Chandler and then Harris threw the ball away which Lin picked off. Watch the 4Q again if you don’t believe me. Just watch there is no evidence Lin was hanging his head and hiding under a towel or sitting in the corner.

  • sws94

    It’s not wishful thinking. It’s what Cliff did in the close games.

  • BobbyH

    This I tend to agree. This is one of the area Lin needs to work on. But for now, I hope he can get his shooting back. It is not going to work if he keeps shooting like 3/8 or 2/9

  • sws94

    I think his shooting will come back. It’s close. The arc looks good, so I think it’s close.

  • BobbyH

    I really really hope so. It is overdue.

  • golfhacker

    Yes, but when you “fight back”, EVEN if you’re wrong, you aren’t looked upon as a pushover. In the long run, they’ll forget you were wrong, but will remember you stand up for yourself.

  • Phillycheese

    That’s why those people saying Coach Cliff is crap is asinine and have personal agendas. Coach was giving the best player tonight, the guy that carried the team, an earful because he was not playing the D that Coach wanted. That sends the message tot the other guys, like Lamb and Hairston. You defend or you sit, even if you are the leading scorer. Coach did not sit Lin after the Harris travel. It’s because he knew it was a bogus call and not the player’s fault. HE sat Lin after the Hawes t/o but that was because Lin screwed up.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Coach takeout player because he loses his confidence on him. After the offensive foul and Berea made a 3, 17 min clutch player does not need rest.

  • Wayne Li

    It is an issue right there. If one of the players is getting special treatment no matter what, it would unfair to others of the team.

    I guess only one coach in this league would not afraid of taking anyone from court, Spurs.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Deron Williams was released by the Nets weeks after the negotiations between Lin and the Mavs broke off and Felton is only a back-up. Lin was meant the be the starting PG.

  • sws94

    That was Pop like. Pop yells at Duncan, Manu and Parker, even when up 30 in games. That’s what it reminded me of. Well, the coach yelling, not the player yelling back at him.

  • Phillycheese

    It’s fact not wishful thinking. This game Lin came in around the 2 min mark of the 1st and 3rd Q. In the previous games he came in a min or two earlier. That was why his minutes were down. Coach said that he likes players to get around 20 because they can do something in that time. Just with the way today’s game went Lin got less. No biggie in my opinion. When the starters (ie Al) was heating up, you keep them in longer. It was not a neg reflection on Lin. How can it be, since before the first sub the coach would not have seen Lin play yet.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    “Coach did not sit Lin after the Harris travel. It’s because he knew it was a bogus call and not the player’s fault.”

    Wishful thinking.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Ah the undying minutes issue…

    Spurs, please make this a CLOSE game, for crying out loud. Duncan, please eat Al and his post moves alive.

  • sws94

    Lin gave speeches in China on confidence issues. I think PFV was talking about perceptions. He’s also talking about how opponents try to minimize or neutralize Lin’s game. To be perfectly honest, some guys are targeting LIn because they don’t want the Asian guy to show them up. Others are just being competitive basketball players. If you were trying to stop Lin, how would you do it? What part of his game boost his confidence or rhythm and how do you prevent that?

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    It is highly likely Lamb will close games alongside Kemba…At least in most night…I’m pretty sure they didn’t re-sign Lamb to be a bench player…They intend on developing him and I believe he’s ahead of Lin.

    Lamb has been very good, so he deserve to close out game ahead of Lin, at the moment.

  • sws94

    I think the starters are stronger. They play more organized and are a little crisper. The second unit may have more scorers but haven’t gelled as well yet.

  • Phillycheese

    Sws94, unlike takemeback, I honestly respect your opinion even if we are a little divergent. Lin’s ballhandlng could be better. In the Atlanta game, they were hard trapping him everytime he called for a pick. If his man doesn’t roll (which Hawes did not do) and tries to pop, unless he pops properly he will not be in the right passing lanes for the pass. If the screen does not take out the opposing guard, then they can hard trap Lin. Atlanta also had enough length and athleticsm to get it done. Horford is an incredible defender. It’s that simple. Hornets were not executing the pnr properly. Lin should have just taken it out and passed it around or taken the shot to keep the defense honest. He hesitated and did a lousy job of it.

  • sws94

    Thanks. That’s what I’d like to see Lin do. I want him to not hesitate. I get frustrated when he does, a lot of us do. I think Lin played well in the past game, although he doesn’t have the numbers to show for it. It’s unfortunate for the few bad plays but I like what his game-plan was for the most part and how he played. He made some big plays at crucial times in the game and turned momentum. Lin often turns momentum and causes timeouts. That’s the sign of an impactful player.

  • yes, Spurs would be a good test for Hornets since JLin always plays well against them.

    They have disciplined defense so shooters won’t have clean look.
    Al won’t be as effective inside. I expect Lin and Kemba would have to penetrate a lot (& get lots of FTs) plus drive-and-kick to open shooters to have any chance

  • wu kong

    yes I want to see batum get pulled for TO’s but it ain’t gonna happen 🙁

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Wishful thinking. Comparing how Clifford thought of Lin and Pop to his big 3s?

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Lin has any confidence issue right now. Just don’t get why he played so less min in the last 3 games?

  • IsabeliJane*17

    JLin = Spurs killer
    JLin = the cause of Popovich’s migraine bordering on having one of his veins burst out.

    I want to see how the Spurs killer will be played before saying anything about minutes. Against top contenders really. Blowouts don’t mean squat to me, since I like seeing Jeremy go “attack mode:500%” when games are close.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No, Lin sat after he made bad pass and Berea made a 3. That’s the same confident level of Lin from Clifford and McHale.

  • sws94

    Can you say anything else than wishful thinking? It’s getting kind of silly now.

  • sws94

    OK. Paul separated LIn’s performance from team performance and responded to tweets. People wanted Lin’s performance and minutes discussed on the video.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Because it’s fantasy to believe what you wish to happen.

  • Phillycheese

    Ok smart guy, what’s your theory? Besides mumbling the same trite two words.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    It’s very clear from Lin’s speeches that confidence issues NEVER adversely affected his play on the court. In fact his point was that in retrospect, he should have had more confidence in himself early on. Why? Because he’s now surprised at how good he really is and he should have had more faith in his ability to compete at the highest NBA level. Recently he also mentioned that he never gets nervous before a game.

    How would I try to stop Lin? The same way I’d try to stop any top PG in the NBA! I would not assume any confidence issues!!!

  • BobbyH

    I am a selfish Lin fan. I wanted Lin to be a starter, as he rightfully should be. But given those 3 years and now ended up in Hornets with the future unclear, I hope Lin won’t be content just being a team player, buried in the bench fighting for PT. Even if this team does go deep in the playoff, after all dust settles, would Hornets give Lin a bigger role next year? I doubt.

    It is obvious that Hornets are big on Walkers/Batum/Lamb and maybe Al. I get it. It is business and politics. But would Lin be content to be a 6th man or maybe 7th man on this team even if this team magically steal the championship (not likely but just for argument sake) ? Lin is more than that. With the right coach and right system, accompanied with right Bigs and Wings, we know Lin can do the wonder. But the reality is no one so far (except maybe MDA) believe in him.

    Most GMs/coaches uses PPG to judge players because score is the currency in NBA, not play-making or team work. For Lin to induce interests from the future teams for the coming year, Lin has to show, NOT facilitating or being a role player contributing, but the Linsanity style of plays, playing like there is no tomorrow, scoring like he did in preseason.

    Maybe it is Clifford’s plan (his own version of winning formula) limited Lin’s play, But my point is, Lin needs to understand that in the long term, his long term, he needs to fight for the future. Yes, helping Hornets to win is his job and his wishes. But at the same time, I really really hope he keeps a little bit of urgency and crisis mode in his mind-set that this year is the year.

    Again, a shellfish fan’s wish. I believe Lin and his team know it. But …

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No it’s yours comment not mine. I don’t live in coach head.

    You don’t punish your player if you believe it’s not his fault. BTW I don’t write theory. I comment I I’ve seen.

  • Sundown

    Wow, we’re turning on PFV now? Lin fandom is getting really hostile.

  • Dan Cohen

    That was some mad dribbling/handling skills there.. off season practice paids off.

  • Phillycheese

    Ah, but you claim to live in mine then? I think Lin played 10 minutes in the first half. Fact. Was that less than normal? Lin was not taken out after the travel – Fact. Lin was taken out after the t/o to Hawes – and rightfully so. So which part was wishful thinking?

  • Dan Cohen

    lin should have that type of practice for ball handling lol..
    he actually did pretty weel right there.. if there was no travel call, it would a BIG statement for lin.

  • Phillycheese

    No one is turning on PFV. I just happen to think his position is not substantiated by what I saw in this game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    8:02Jeremy Lin bad pass (Chandler Parsons steals)93-71 7:47 93-74J.J. Barea makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)7:46Hornets Full timeout7:46Al Jefferson enters the game for Spencer Hawes93-74 7:46Kemba Walker enters the game for Jeremy Lin93-74

    http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400827959&period=4

  • Phillycheese

    Yes, and I admitted it was the right call to take him out. But also, it was usually the same time that they take Lin out anyways for a two min rest in a close game before they bring him back to close. In this game, no closing necessary.

  • Tommy

    nothing selfish about that
    thats why you are a Lin fan we want Lin to succeed
    Lin over the team

  • Dan Cohen

    dwill probably told harris to do it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You’re not selfish but being hornet as fan. It is what it is about what you say. Lin is their best off the bench pg, best insurance policy in case Kemba injury, will not be a closer in most games (will be Lamb now), 20 mpg.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    REMINDER:

    Refrain from attacking somebody else’s POSITIVE comments about Jeremy’s minutes last game. I’m seeing a lot of posters attacking another poster just because of the positive things said about his minutes.

    Consider this a warning.

  • sws94

    Coach yells at star player on his team. This has nothing to do with Lin.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    That’s a very interesting issue…Batum has been far more turn-over prone than Lin, but he gets his full minutes no matter what…Remember the 7 turnover game?..How many minute Batum played that game?…

    On the other hands, if Lin turns the ball over at least 2 time, he sits and only plays 18minutes.

    I think this is what we should expect…Jeremy is a cheap rental and he will get far less room to work with.

    At least with the Lakers, he was the first guard or first player off the bench…In this Hornets team, he’s not.

    Lin only gets into the game very late in the 1st quarter..At about the 2minute mark….That’s way too late….A real 6th man gets into the game earlier than that…probably at about the 5 minute mark of the first quarter…and than starts off the second quarter to play an additional 6 minute before he’s subbed out for the starter.

    As I had concluded to a Lin fan before this game, the writing is clearly on the wall for Lin…I don’t see where the minutes will come from for Lin if you have Hairston starting and Lamb ” DESERVEDLY” taking minutes away from Lin at SG.

    You need to do some acrobatic math to come up with a consistent 25 minutes for Lin….

    Unless Lin plays very well every night, he will play about 15-18mpg…Last night minute total is what we should expect unless he’s shooting hot.

  • sws94

    He was addressing tweets. He also said it isn’t serious and keep the faith.

  • Dan Cohen

    I, just saw in HD, how harris was pressuring against lin.
    1) I am VERY impress with lin’s ball handling skills. (nash and off season probably helped as he was using the off hand I think)
    2) Dwill probably told harris to do it. lol.. my suspicion..LOL as evident in 5:20 on that video.
    3) If lin actually got past harris, and made something happen.. BIG statement for lin.
    4) his teammates should’ve helped earlier.. but oh well.

  • spiderman

    Wish there was instant replay like football. A set number of times coaches can challenge a call in a game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is the difference between you and me. I will not accept and be silent with Lin 20 mpg is his new average. If the starters are out there, he should be too. If not then welcome back to the same role or worse like last season.

    This is not and I doubt about 5 hr talk between Lin and Clifford in the recruitment.

  • sws94

    Good thing is he can’t just put Leonard on Lin. Lin guards Parker well, I hope he gets a chance to. Lin does do well against the Spurs but Pop has a lot more to deal with playing Charlotte. Their second team will be good though, it may just balance out Charlottes.

  • CJSHYY

    Hornets back to old style so Lin played passing game again? I really hate this… one good game then bad again… repeat…smh!

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/662474156328558593

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/662652630389399552

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Pop loves and respects his big 3s. Clifford and Lin? lol

  • sws94

    I don’t know. Hornets were all “new” style in the Chicago game. Cliff says he wants more fast break points and yells at Lin and Lamb and whoever has the ball to go go go. It was Al’s night, but really more plays for Al was assisted than in the old post style play. I didn’t notice Lin passing up too many shots in this game, they just didn’t fall.

  • Acbc

    Did he scout Lin then?

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    exactly…That’s why I don’t understand the idea of resting him during blow out wins…You do this to your starters who usually plays big minutes…You don’t rest bench players during blow-out games.

    Lin is currently a bench players…when there’s a blow out win, why not let him play 30 minutes just so he can get additional minutes + the chance to score some point since he doesn’t get the kind of minute the starters get.

  • Phillycheese

    Dude, the Big Al game was working against Dallas since they had no inside presence. He scored at will. He allowed the team to control the pace and the clock. They were still taking a ton of 3 ptrs which old Hornets did not do. Coach has got to loosen up the running game a little. Right now he is forcing guys to rebound and defend until Hornets secure the rebound – no leaking out. It’s hard to fast break without some guys leaking out.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I’m expecting Kawhi to guard Jeremy in the game.My issues are the lazy defense of Hornets bigs and Batum playing 1. Jeremy has to cover their laziness in defense again.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin’s style is to score within 8 sec. Now he crosses mid court between those same time.

  • CJSHYY

    I thought they will play fast break but none for last night… I got the picture it’s Al show for last night. If Lin didn’t have too passing game that will be fine. But I am still concern about his playing time too short….?! But Lin said everything is smooth in Hornets?! He also didn’t look upset to me last night…?!

  • Phillycheese

    They have no one to replace Batum, ever since MKG went down. Plus they traded assets to get him therefore they are more vested in him than a free agent like Lin. It’s only human nature, not some conspiracy theory.

  • sws94

    I think Kawhi will guard Batum and Lin at times if he’s having a strong game. He may also guard Lamb if Lamb is scoring too much.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I kinda expect Danny Green to guard Lamb. I expect someone else to guard Batum, with him a non-threat on his SG role.I expect Pop’s best man-to-man defender on Jeremy.

  • sws94

    Is Clifford the coach of Lin or the Charlotte Hornets? Even if a coach wants to play a player for a long time does it mean that in 5 games he has to always play a player X amount of minutes. Did he not sit Al down in the final minutes in one of the season’s games? Did he go back to him? It’s 5 games, 2 were blowouts. He closed out the close games. The jury is out.

  • Wayne Li

    I am not sure how long will take JLin to realize that he could not afford to have PG starter’s mentality with bench’s role especially limited bench’s minutes.

    As a bench, you need to shoot the way out, nothing else matters that much because you don’t have time or opportunity to make things up later.

  • sws94

    Kawhi is a tough defender. I don’t remember any games where Kawhi strictly played Lin. Just in spurts. That’s what I’m going by. If Lin is a big factor in the game, he’ll have to deal with Kawhi. I think I agree with you that Kawhi guards Lin in the game.

  • sws94

    Al’s game was working. Dallas had no answers for him. So he gets featured. Makes sense. Lin had some big moments to keep the foot on the gas in the second half. The Hornets took control of the game, team goes on to win on their first on the road. Lin will then assess the game. He looked alright, just a little alarmed at the Coach/Al momentary altercation.

  • DaBoss

    Plus Clifford put in his third stringers after Carlisle emptied his bench first and why would he put Jeremy in with third stringers? that would be an insult

  • sws94

    What are you lol’ing about? My comment was that coach will yell at the star player, not if he loves him. And you keep inserting Lin. Coach wasn’t yelling at Lin, he was yelling at Al and it was Al and him in the altercation not Lin and him. So let’s keep Lin out of this.

  • Dan Cohen

    sigh. There is nothing to be frustrated about. NG have to understand he will not get the same linsanity thing again. If NG wants Linsantiy style bball, probably only way to happen is if all is injured except for lin and those rookies with lin being the qb because his strength is leading (not that I want any to be injured). In fact he is a different player than when linsanity. Now he tends to just passes a bit more than shoot more. He has fga of 8.. which is nowadays his norm.

    Also last night was almost a blow out.. so you allow other ‘end of bench’ players to play.. you don’t risk him to play. That is a sign of respect, because you don’t want him to be injured else you will start to question why he played when it’s a blowout, etc. hindsight is 20/20. So be glad that it was a blowout, and also coach respect him enough to not let him play during garbage time like you saw in LA and 2nd year of houston. Like lebron said once in the past, a blowout game kills your averages…that’s what he meant because he doesn’t play much when it’s a blowout in the middle of 4th qtr.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I understand that…You should also make the same case for Lamb, who I believe will close out game ahead of Lin now that he was given a big contract…And frankly, I really don’t have issue with this since Lamb has been great.

    But as a Lin fan, I’m genuinely concern about how he’s going to get his consistent 25 minute per game?

    Can anyone able to pencil in Lin at 25mpg with Hairston starting and playing 15/20mpg and Lamb playing about 20-25?..I’ve tried and couldn’t come up with 25 for Lin….Funny because many Lin fan on here expect 30…I’d take 25 at the moment for Lin.

    I believe Lamb minutes will rise and he played well enough to get more minutes

  • CJSHYY

    I guess everything all back to his team ball theory… share the ball & unselfish… He doesn’t care about stats but others do.. that’s why they change game plan game by game…bc not everyone wants to buy in Lin’s team ball theory.

  • Yascar

    Accepting or not accepting is fine. But what can you do? This is where Lin is right now. He’s gonna have to make the most of this team and whatever minutes he gets. This is still a better coach than he has had in the last 3 years of his career.

  • Phillycheese

    The Spurs game will tell if the Hornets are truly vested in their new offense. I do not expect a lot of post plays into Al, simply because Duncan is too good a defender and they have a lot of smart weak side help defenders. If the Hornets bigs can rebound individually without the guards boxing out everytime then they have a better chance to run. Look at their stats – there is no one dominant rebounder on this team, everyone rebounds. What that means is no one can then leak out to run, except where there is a turnover. But on a rebound there is little running. That is just Coach’s style. I think he will learn to tweek this a little throughout the season.

  • DaBoss

    Because Clifford doesn’t see Jeremy as a third stringer. if Jeremy was put in with the third string
    The doubters would come out up in arms saying oh my God why is Jeremy in with the third stringers??!! Clifford must really think he’s a scrub! Think about it.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t get if it’s already trash time then why put back starters to pad stats? Specially Al, Not Lin?

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins play style is fine. inly issue was minutes which could be because of the blowout

  • sws94

    He turned it over 3 times in Atlanta and finished the game. I don’t think Coach is looking only at turnovers. I don’t think Coach minded Lin’s offensive foul that much, it was a ticky-tack call anyway. I think it was something he saw with Hawes and Lin he didn’t like and perhaps he’s seen it too much. So he put Kemba and Ali in because they were playing well in this game.

    Not everything he does is against Lin or with Lin in mind. He’s putting the 5 he believes should be on the floor at any given time in a given game. I think he’s been pro-Lin and continues to be. I think he’s nothing like Byron or McHale yet.

    If he isn’t what we want him to be and he changes his status on Lin’s game, I have to look at why it is happening with 3 different coaches and what there may be in Lin’s game that causes this. If it is just Lin needs to keep looking for the right coach, well, still, why can’t Lin thrive in a good environment. At some point in time, we have to look at Lin. But it way too early for that now. Maybe Lin is a combo guard and is best used as Manu type but I’m not sure yet. I still think Lin is a superb PG if he fixes his ball handling.

  • sws94

    He’ll get minutes by making an impact on the floor as he did in preseason. Some of it may depend on Hawes and his chemistry. But at some point, maybe Cliff will get annoyed with Hawes and use Zeller and Kaminsky more with Lin. I’m not worried about Lamb closing games. If he does so he does so but I think Lin is a more suitable closer with more experience, weapons, better big playmaker in the crunch, more clutch in the 4th and so on. If he plays that way, it’s his closing spot to lose.

  • Dan Cohen

    something is brewing…

  • Phillycheese

    7-8 minutes to go with a 19 pt lead on their homecourt is still a winnable game. For a good two minute stretch there was no stoppage so the starters played on. Please watch the 4Q and you will see what I mean. The coach is not going to call a time out just to sub in the scrubs. The clock was winding down and the lead stayed so just play on.

  • CJSHYY

    blowout for one but I guess most important it’s for Al to get good stats. That’s why even during trash time he still got to pad his stats.

  • Phillycheese

    You know that is not fair to Coach. He even yelled at Al for not playing D.

  • CJSHYY

    Why not just let Lin stayed in the game? Why needed starters?

  • Dan Cohen

    As a side note.. drose has 29 points…12/25..

    on 25 SHOT ATTEMPTS!!!!

    reminds me of isomelo.

  • CJSHYY

    If it’s showcase for Mav of course coach wanted Al to show he can play D.

  • Dan Cohen

    And he got nba recognition for that.
    so efficiency to them is nothing.
    20/50 is just as good.
    if you can score 40 points on 50 attempts

  • CJSHYY

    He needs to clear the air about Bulls don’t want him anymore…LOL!

  • sws94

    Al is a part of the team. He didn’t like something Al did and let him know about it. That’s the sign of a good coach. Al said that in his postgame comments.

  • Alain Gervais

    Also Al had a mismatch unless MAVs shifted their defense you keep doing it

  • sws94

    He’s always put up a lot of shots. He’s always been a volume PG. That’s why I never thought of him as a PG. He’s more of a scorer than facilitator and not an efficient one.

  • Phillycheese

    C/mon don’t bring up Rose too. The guys was huge down the stretch and his team won. I’m glad he had a bounce back game after the Hornets snuffed him out.

  • sws94

    I think both Lin and Hawes were taken out because of breakdowns in plays. He was taken out as part of a 2-man tandem. I think Coach just wanted to make sure things didn’t get out of hand so he played starters. Then it took a long time for a dead ball.

  • Phillycheese

    Because Lin needed to learn not to be careless with the ball, and because he had already played 7 min straight and coach probably wanted him to get a rest in case he is needed to close.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    That’s the point that I had always made…Lin will only play good minute when he’s having a great night.

    But when everything is equal, I believe Lamb will get the nod because Charlotte have more invested in him now..Even on the nights that Lamb is not shooting particularly well.

    Many Lin fan expected a baseline floor of about 25mpg every night..and about 35 when he’s playing well.

    I believe the baseline floor is much lower…About 15-18 minutes when he’s not playing well…and about 25minute when he’s playing well.

    The reason for the lower baseline is because Cliff will only bring Lin in very late, no matter how bad the starters are playing or no matter how Hairston is playing…..Lin needs to get subbed in earlier than the 2minute mark of the first quarter to get more playing time.

  • sws94

    Yeah, feel good for him. He’s had a tough time.

  • LW

    I finally got to watch the game after work and I realized stats alone can be very misleading and I felt Lin really played a good game. Sure he didn’t make all his shots, but his missed shots never hurt the flow, in fact one of his missed 3 was instantly converted to a 2 with tap in by Cody. Yes he played only 17min, but boy did those minutes count! When he took over near end of 3rd Q, Hornets were up by 11 and the game is still not decided. When he left in the 4th Q, they were up by 19 and the win was basically sealed. After he was disrespected and harassed by Devin Harris and given the BS traveling call, he fed Cody to draw a flagrant foul with 2pts and then dashed to the rim for 2+1. They try to bully him and rattle him but Lin withstood the attack and finish off the MAVs with his plays in their faces. I couldn’t ask for more from Lin’s performance. Those who criticizes Lin’s stats for this game probably didn’t even watch the game!

  • sws94

    You’ve made your mind up. Now, we’ll see if you are right or not as the season progresses. It’s a long season.

  • Dan Cohen

    nothing wrong with bounce back and glad for him
    but the point is.. nba doesn’t care about shot attempts.. they only care about points.
    that’s what made kobe and melo and harden popular..oh and the 35 game sampel of reggie jackson.

  • sws94

    There’s a big difference between a backup and Lin as a key player coming off of the bench. I think Charlotte wants a key player coming off of the bench. I also think he will be put in OT games and the coach wants him to close. But, of course, if Lin doesn’t show what he’s capable of showing the coach may come up with alternatives.

    Lin may still be called a backup. But there are two types of backups.

  • Phillycheese

    Yes, we watched the same game too.

  • CJSHYY
  • Phillycheese

    Good night guys. Time for bed. Thanks for the discussion. It was fun.

  • CJSHYY
  • Dan Cohen

    LMAO AHAHAHAHAHAHHA

  • grover chang

    I think starters plus Lamb played together another 5 minutes to see how Lamb fit with the starters. Clifford did not get to see how Lamb fit during the preseason. Lamb was playing well and he was Clifford’s first choice as starting sg originally before his injury. Well, Lamb did not look as good with the starters, but no surprise to us.

  • heart

    One thing about last night incident between Al & the Coach that must be said– i.e., please don’t straight out harp on/yell at Al while he’s producing and winning game for you. The coach could have done it afterward but not while Al is hitting his shot and the game is won. Yelling at the one who’s physically working hard can sap lots of strength & energy out of him. That was so unnecessary. As much as I sometimes don’t like Al defense, I feel that Al has the right to be upset.

  • wu kong

    not turning on anyone. just a strong disagreement in continuing the narrative that Lin has a weak mind.

  • CJSHYY

    I think that’s what Paul said “targeted” by…

  • CJSHYY
  • grover chang

    Understand the frustration but multiple posts like this were made the past three years when fears of Lin’s status was slipping away. Which it did. He went from cornerstone to starter to part-time starter to bench player. Lin never changed his attitude. He did not respond to the urgency and play more for himself. He rested on his faith in God and played team ball. I don’t expect him to change his attitude. I don’t want him to be selfish because that makes him a bad player. But I do wish he tried to score more because that does help his teammates get easier shots.

  • Acbc

    Polish up the old chariot before putting it on the curb?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I do what fans always do and most players can’t, we speak out.

  • sws94

    Loved your comments. Good night.

  • CJSHYY

    W 2nd unit, Lamb can do well bc Lin always can pass the ball to him but not w 1st unit.

  • Rzo Vlade
  • wu kong

    so this article is about DRose but for the most part I think you can subsitutue jlin’s name and get the same effect…

    http://www.blogabull.com/2015/11/6/9680950/this-week-in-the-bulls-its-hard-to-be-humble-when-derrick-rose-is

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    12 for 25 is not bad at all…It’s almost 50% and would had been above 50% mark if he had made 1 more shot.

    So I have no problem with that type of efficiency.

  • sws94

    PFV is not saying Lin has a weak mind. In fact, PFV has said he’s a lot like Lebron in some ways.

  • FSW

    Yeah but I saw
    Kemba and lamb out there till close to end so
    I guess that is a disrespect to them?

  • 22cents

    Agreed. I did not watch the whole game but some prolonged highlights. From what I saw, Lin provided energy and spark for the defense and offense. That is a nice game.
    I thought the missed 3 was tipped in by Lamb, No?

  • FSW

    Needed to learn?
    Guess batum needs to learn too by playing thru his turnovers

  • wu kong

    this would be Jlin if given the minutes… just sayin’

    ” Thursday! Ohhh, Thursday. It was beautiful. Rose started 1-for-8 against the Thunder, but took over down the stretch, abusing Enes Kanter on a series of switches late to score 10 straight points himself in crunch-time and will the Bulls to a 104-98 win. The final numbers: 29 points, seven assists, five rebounds on 12-of-25 shooting.”

  • Briiick

    Well said. Coach is playing Batum like a Harren, long leash, defense bodyguard, PG+SG+SF, stats padding.

  • Peter Truong From Riverside CA

    I just have a weird feeling inside that JLin might be trade. I hope I am wrong.

  • cdblue10

    I didn’t see anything wrong on his style of play at all,he’s actually aggressive but the shots weren’t falling.Lin is always a rhythm guy,most of the time he starts slow then played better during the 3rd and 4thQ but on his current situation he needs to play consistent minutes.

  • FSW

    Out of hand? Lead was increased during time Lin facilitated. Clifford is not
    Living up to his preseason promises – Lin sounds happy but actually looked happier and played more carefree during preseason when things were more Lin friendly.

  • CJSHYY

    If Lin played like Al last night then I think so… but NO… he only played less than 20 min w so so stats..? Trade? NO. Plus If you look at Hornets webside… Lin’s story was on the front page for more than week now…. More like they want to keep him but Lin didn’t say yes yet… Not sure Lin will stay or not next summer but I think Lin will stay for this year for sure.

  • heart

    They want to keep him as a ‘backup’ for KW. That’s what I see happening.

  • TTNN

    Lin’s salary had no value to trade…………. Hornets could not get anyone at that price which could remotely play like Lin.

  • sws94

    I think of Lin as the PG for the 2nd unit and as a co-facilitator that can be used at anytime in the game. I don’t think he’s just a backup for KW.

  • Alain Gervais

    I think PFV way overreacted to that short sequence. The refs calls a walk when i didn’t see Lin walk. Hawes fumbled the ball when he had position not to. I think his confidence is fine. Just need more minutes. hope there is no more blow outs

  • CJSHYY

    If he will be just a backup for KW then I am sure he will not stay in Hornets bc why? Is not like this team going to get the ring?

  • Dorothy

    I am sure that is how CHA FO thinking, but will CP3 back up Curry? Make it less dramatic, will Conley back up CP3? NO.

  • heart

    Currently Lin’s role is not defined nor his PT minutes have been fared out proportionally to his true value. Added to the confusion of his current situation is his PT is dependent on the ‘favored’ players performance. So the logical conclusion would be only a ‘backup’ role would be offered if he stays. And he might not be able to stay either if their guys (Batum, Lamb, MKG are up and running). That’s why Cliff is testing so many lineups w/o Lin. Those are my hunches. We’ll see.

  • TTNN

    he did traveled if you see it in slow motion, however, I’m not sure whether he was bumped or not. Sure you don’t see that kind of defense all the time. Kind of surprised none of their team mates come out to received the ball, but again, he was single covered.

    I went back to watch the game, I think that’s the reason in the first half, Brian was subbed in, since Lin was having trouble, then Brian was even worse, as he lost the ball in the first try, and totally kill the momentum.

    There was lots of non-calls and false calls against Lin yesterday, it is really frustrating.

  • BobbyH

    Unless 30 games into the season and Hornets is doing great without much help of Lin then a trade could happen if other team desperately needs a PG and is willing to give up pick.

    Things can change really quickly in NBA. One minute you are the face of the team, next minute you are just pieces.

  • heart

    Exactly.

  • blubell
  • Wayne Li

    Similar to the game against Toronto during Linsanity.

  • blubell
  • Sundown

    Good analysis. This definitely wasn’t one of Lin’s highlight games, but for an off-shooting night with lots of turnovers (his fault or no), he kept his head in the game and was focused on defense and being effective on offense – setting up plays and keeping the ball moving.

    When he had bad games in prior years he could get really off track, becoming passive and making boneheaded decisions like the infamous jump pass. His floor is higher than it used to be and he hasn’t tested his ceiling yet this year so I’m looking forward to great play in one of the coming games.

  • sws94

    I don’t remember Lin having trouble in the first half. Coach commented on Brian, something to do with matchups but I don’t remember exactly what he said. It was in response to why Frank didn’t come in instead of Roberts.

  • blubell
  • Sundown

    Agree his play style is fine. Low minutes because of blowout and his relative lack of impact on the game. It’s fair to complain about the officiating unfairly hurting Lin but it is what it is and Clifford made the right strategic choices to win this game. There will be other games where Lamb, Kemba, or Batum are off and Lin will be the go-to guy down the stretch.

  • wu kong

    the next question is was the ‘travel’ something that all players get called on… you think LeBron would get that called? if not then we have a problem. well I have always known there was a problem and I hate it. just call it fair! but of course there is more going on than a fair game. there are stars to protect and lots of $$ on the line legit and not legit.

  • Wayne Li

    It’s right mind set if he is starter PG and play major minutes.

  • Sundown

    “asinine speculations” is not turning on PFV?

  • sws94

    I think you are hung up on the word backup. Lin is called backup because he comes off of the bench. The word reserve is used also. He hasn’t been used just as a backup for Kemba in the close games. He is sometimes used as another “small” facilitator on the court. And it is still just game 5. Hunches are fine, but we need more information and a bigger sample size.

  • Steppen03

    Hellooo fellow Lin fans =)
    AGAIN, It’s the RIGHT call for Lin to come out. I think coach just want him to take a short breather and then find that it is not necessary to put him back in when the game is already over. If we’re up big I have no problem with Lin sitting – it’s garbage time anyway. On the other hand, I need to see Lin out there closing out on close games – that’s the real indicater that he’s value. Plus, It’s Only 5 games – Lin does need to have more time to gel with teammates and get the sets down. Big issues for me: need to see more PnR, PnP, screens for Lin.

  • sws94

    What should happen and what happens with the hierarchy of star players has been going on for decades in the NBA. Lin needed to shake, bake and make a fool out of Harris and I hope if Harris tries that with him later in the season he does so. This is the mentality that the better players have on court and sometimes LIn has it. He didn’t have it in that instance. I think it is best to deal with what Lin can fix, not anyone else. We know how the cards are stacked regarding him, what he has to work with.

  • sws94

    He gets screens sometimes, the 2nd unit hasn’t totally gelled. Agree with what you said, don’t judge what turned into a blowout as a norm.

    Who does PnR on this team? Zeller? Hawes seems stritcly as PnP. And Hawes doesn’t set great screens either.

  • nodomo

    Lin seems hesitant to shoot. even on that wide open 3 attempt from the side, he look undecided initially. Wonder if he has a slight hand or wrist injury that team is not disclosing. In the Bulls game, he took a shot to the right hand (flailed his right arm after a drive and lockout to Hawes for a 3)

  • BobbyH

    Same thought here. Lin needs PT and PnX, where X is an variable that Lin needs to figure out on the court to be really the x factor. Roll, Pop, escape from trap, cross-over, mid-range jump-shot. floater, and no running into walls of bodies.

  • Lx

    Yeah, that’s kind of how I felt. I don’t mind if Lin plays during garbage time though, since I only watch the game because of him haha. A lot of people feel this season isn’t turning out well for Lin, but I think this season is going to be a great season for Lin.

  • Wayne Li

    It is all circumstantial.

    Right now, JLin as bench has to play like Manu as shoot first PG, I guess that is also what Hornets signed him for, at least partially because JLin can be also their reserved PG starter as an insurance in case Kemba went down by injury.

    JLin can be a superb PG only if he can play major minutes and play his brand of team basketball. But there is no such an option in Hornets right now unless there are dramatic roster changes duo to trade or players went down because injuries.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No it’s not. Lin played only 6 min since he entered in the 3rd, he does not need breather. They were up 19 when they took him out. The starters that need more breather than Lin.

  • Alain Gervais

    Theres so much potential

  • Steppen03

    Maybe you’re right, maybe you’re wrong. For me, I don’t think Coach Cliff is going back on his words – closing with Lin – UNLESS Lin is really under-performing which I highly doubt. Lin is a much better player now – Just need some time to adjust to coach and team. Lin is not going to sit out every blowout games, I don’t think. Think coach just like to mix things up a little now – get everyone on the floor – and riding the HOT hands a bit more for More Wins. Again, it’s not a time to judge the coach yet… Winning is what matters most anyway. I have faith in Lin’s All Star abilities – he will see meaningful minutes. If team is deep and rolling I’m fine with Lin having just 17-20 mpg – Just save him for games that matters. Wishful thinking maybe but hey it’s more fresh legs for him.

  • Wayne Li

    5 games into the season. Based on Cliff’s substitute pattern, we can expect JLin’s quarterly allocation in regular games: 3~4, 5~6, 2~3 and 6~10. Average 16~23 minutes depends on his in game performance. Quite depressing but it is reality he must have anticipated when he signed as back up PG for Hornets.

  • Sundown

    Well, in that article’s defense Charlotte is in the East so maybe the author considers their fans to be “oriental”.

    (On second thought, no, it probably it was just inadvertent racism.)

  • Wayne Li

    And so are Curry and Ruswell, as long as they can score with high percentage, it would be great. They are kind of PGs needed for today’s basketball and it is why all of them get paid pricely.

    The issue with Rose is that he could no longer contribute at regular basis.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    The important thing is not to turn on JLin.

  • Briiick

    In the game against Bulls, I said it’s garbage time now, played the first unit ! I wasn’t correct then, but correctly predicted the next game.

  • sws94

    Injuries.

  • CJSHYY

    So what do you think next game will be?

  • Team has arrived for practice at San Antonio

    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/662716528383520770

  • Wayne Li

    They are cute, JLin should date one of them.

  • Brief practice is good to prevent dead legs “Laker-like” symptoms

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/662721149235695616

  • FrankW

    He had a 27 PER, I think it will be in the 20+ PER by the end of the season. Of the top 20 point guards (Lin is ranked #17 for now), only 3 other point guards had less than 22 minutes with 13 had 30 or more minutes.

  • err . I believe they’re High-schoolers 🙂
    so yeah, probably not a good idea lol

  • Rzo Vlade

    pedo

  • adele

    Question is, who is a much better player in a real sense, Kemba or Lin?

  • adele

    For all star points. The starters need those.

  • steven ko

    gigolo Lin

  • heart

    You should know the answer to this question if you have been following his career. The question can also be asked that who has carried his weak team/unfamiliar teammates to the play off and had a record of Hall of Fame career points in his first five start? With the support that KW has, should he also have broken records left and right? For me, the answer is obviously Lin. He has been shortchanged by Rox & Lakers, and could not developed properly. Yet, he’s making improvements on his own, and his improved skills have clearly shown on court in preseason when Hornets politics still yet interfere w/his role. Now, we see that it has. So it’s an uphill climb back to the top.

  • Briiick

    I think Lin needs time to figure out the situation. He always does as long as the coach still tries to win. Besides, there is no Haren in the team, only Haren-lites.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lamb is playing at a Level which is likely to drop. The last two games with playing in garbage time has help the 30 PER he now has

  • TTNN

    yeah, agree. Quite some changes from pre-season though, so he will need to re-adjust

  • Whitman Lam

    Coach took Hawes out of the game at that point too. You can tell there is zero chemistry between Hawes and Lin in the time they are on the court together. Hawes might even be trying to make Lin look bad so that he can play more with Batum, who is also trying to ignore Lin when he’s on the floor.

  • Whitman Lam

    It’s been reported that the refs get memos before each game, to clarify who is the superstar who gets calls, the defensive expert who they allow to be as physical as possible, and any “scrub” player they can pick on to make the game more interesting.

  • TTNN

    wasn’t as obvious as the second half, but yes, Lin had some problem. And this is not the first game he show signs that he is having problem when opponent press him. That’s very puzzling. remember last season in Lakers, opponents even trap him at baseline, and he was able make them pay, but he was very unsure these couple of games, and become very hesitate when pressured. I do worry that he might have some injury in his wrist.

  • Spot

    Lamb is a great player. He will not drop. Or at least that’s what I hope.

    Still don’t know why Hairston

  • Whitman Lam

    Don’t forget that foul on Lin “holding” Wes Matthews arm, in the 2nd quarter as Deron Williams hit the 3 pointer over Batum. Those are like Violet Palmer calls right there.

  • Wayne Li

    Question:

    How many other undrafted players who get 17+ minutes PT in NBA games these days besides JLin?

    You will feel much better after you answered my question.

  • Whitman Lam

    After DJ changed his mind about signing in Dallas, the Mavs 1st priority was to re-sign JJ Barea. Then D-Will became available.

  • Whitman Lam

    Mavs already had JJ Barea and Felton locked in. That’s already 2 point guards on the roster.

  • heart

    Yep. He gets to pad stats.

  • Whitman Lam

    Some of them are probably 18. And in Texas, the legal age of consent is 15 or something.

  • Whitman Lam

    Lin’s minutes breakdown is now as follows: Last 2 minutes of 1st Quarter, First 5 minutes of 2nd Quarter, Last 5 minutes of 3rd quarter, and First 5 minutes of 4th quarter depending on how the bench lineup is playing = 17 minutes

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You may be right but the way I remember it, the negotiation between JLin and the Mavs dragged on for like 4 or 5 days. As I posted before, I strongly suspect that the Deandre Jordan fiasco is the reason for the delay. During that period, the Mavs media became extremely pro-Lin and it looked like Lin was destined to be their starting PG. I think it was also during that time that JJ was locked in and some worried about that while others were confident that JJ and Felton would be Lin’s backups (or Felton might be traded.)

  • sws94

    I think his level will drop also. He’s a very good player but not quite as good as he’s playing now.

  • sws94

    So many “minutes” posts. It’s game 5 and 2 were blowouts. We don’t know what his minutes are yet.

  • sws94

    True, but the Heat and Hawks play that type of defense. He may have an injury to his wrist. That’s possible. If it is just a small thing then Cliff won’t mention it but it may be why Lin doesn’t look quite right sometimes.

  • steven ko

    my only issue with last night’s game in terms of JLin’s minutes is that the starters returned in a blowout game while Lin was taken out and not allowed to finish. it just doesn’t make sense to me. maybe it was his TOs but i thought that he was allowed to play through mistakes in taking on this joke contract with the Hornets. let’s see what happens in San Anton…

  • okayyy.. then if we go by technicality 🙂

    I’m just sayin’ a fresh off HS girl probably won’t be a good match for a Harvard-grad 27 yr old Linsanity
    Can you imagine millions of Lin fans blaming his bad game on her HS date? That would scar her for life lol

    OTOH I know Dwight Howard would vehemently disagree lol

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I think they just wanted Al to get above 30 pts that’s why he needed to go back in late blowout game….LOL!

  • steven ko

    seems that undrafted Langston Galloway of NYK and TJ McConnell of Philly
    gets more minutes than Lin. man, it would have been great to have Lin
    on Philly since Canaan is their starting PG! crazy! that team has to be
    in full tank mode already…

  • Spot

    Like every player of any sport will have ups and downs.

    Only a player can only have ups and we know who is

  • CJSHYY

    I still don’t get why Lin got so less playing time but NYK is different team so can’t really compare the playing time w them.

  • TTNN

    No, I’d rather he is on a winning team. and it is only the start of the season, it is not like he never had a slow start in a new team. He will figure it out.

  • steven ko

    but what about Kemba and Batum?

  • Wayne Li

    5 games are small sample size, but Cliff’s substitute patterns are pretty steady. You can roughly estimate minutes using the pattern. Unless Cliff didn’t decide play groups yet and it is very unlikely, thus don’t put too much hope there.

    Off course, anything can happen like Linsanity had happened.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t like the short min on court for Lin but not worry too much about it. I think if they really like Rox or Lakers to bench Lin on purpose… Lin will show his unhappy by tweet or in his face expression…. so far none.

  • Spot

    I just want him to have fun and stay in NBA.

    But I’d like to see him another time leading a team…

  • CJSHYY

    Al needed someone to feed him the ball that’s why they had to be w him.

  • heart

    They were up like 16-20pts and yet Lin was not allowed to play, especially after Harris bud headed Lin. Lin was hot and on the next possession opportunity, he drove straight to the basket and 1.You know Lin made his statement w/that possession by action not w/words or smiles.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I think BobbyH really nailed it in the featured comment above (is that why it’s featured?). Cuban sent his goon to try and intimidate Jeremy and it didn’t work. But Coach Clifford decided it wasn’t worth the trouble in a blowout win so he let J sit out the rest of the game. JLin probably wanted to stand his ground so he may have been unhappy with that decision but I feel confident that JLin is perfectly healthy both mentally and physically. PFV should have just ignored the incident. I remember he also once focused heavily on Eric Bledsoe giving Jeremy a hard shove. J has been dealing with this aspect of BB all his life and he knows how to handle it his way. If anything, the Hornets enforcer should have returned the favor.

    Spurs have excellent sportsmanship so they’re not going to stoop to such bush-league behavior. The Mavs are either tanking or gave up on the game early on. But teams focused on winning won’t engage in such counterproductive behavior either. I really think that nothing has changed and we can all look forward to next game and the rest of the season.

  • Spot

    Probably you’re right. Good point.

    I saw the cocky smile on Jeremy’s face while he was shooting his free throw after the “and one”.

  • CJSHYY
  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Yep!

  • MomentousPetey

    Only insecure “fans” want Lin to be like Westbrook.

  • Spot

    Please God, no!

    I’d like him to run a team like a Nash or a Parker, who is very similar to Jeremy.

    I’m not asking the moon.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ya Dwight got in trouble doing that.

  • Briiick

    The defender acted like a stronger Bev.

  • Rick Johnson

    Parson’s went out with Kendal Jenner last year. What was she 19 last year?

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I remember saw Lin did some practice like this during the summer… it’s so happy to see him fight well against this strong D. Lin is really good now. Whoever set this play against him sure never image this happened… LOL!

  • CJSHYY

    Really hate Mav or… whoever he’s… they did it on purpose bc everyone can tell… Last night was Al show not Lin… smh!

  • Whitman Lam

    Hawes screens are useless, he doesn’t even slow down anybody. Cody Zeller’s screens almost always pry the defender off .

  • Steppen03

    FIRST TIME watching this (don’t have league pass or any stream since BallStream is not available for sign up…), The Mavs and Harris IS Classless – that’s Was Totally Unnecessary. Who they did they’re punking ?? D-leaguer ? Coach Cliff has ways more class. Just blowout the game and leave the damn building. Glad Lin didn’t go to the Mavs. I’ll be very pissed and disappointed if that’s a call from the Mavs coach Or Carlisle didn’t have a chat with Harris regarding this after the game… High note: at least Cliff let Lin keep on playing for few more minutes. I’m satisfied with Lin sitting out – there’s No point to play – it’s garbage time.

  • Wayne Li

    Come on, just a date. We are not talking about marriage here.

  • CJSHYY

    Mav did it on purpose bc before the game they put out Harris vs Lin..? I thought it’s weird.. after watched the game… I got it. smh! This is not playoff game it’s a blowout game… really no need to do so…Plus it’s Al show not Lin.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Mavs took something from the Heat playbook – “play against Jeremy Lin HARD one-on-one”.

    The hilarious thing? Harris was slapped in the face with that foul.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Ain’t happening. Jeremy doesn’t have a finisher like Durant.

    Westrook’s offense always ends up to the play “pass the ball to KD” or “when you can’t shoot, pass the ball to KD”.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! So happy Lin did well against this kind of strong D.

  • Briiick

    Mav acted like a dumped girlfriend.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I think coach Clifford out coached Carlisle by going to the first telm to stal

  • IsabeliJane*17

    My theory but I think another possible reason Clifford sat down Jeremy is to read/take note/rattle Mavs defense playbook and take out “play Jeremy Lin hard one-on-one”.

  • CJSHYY

    CP..? Haha! I don’t know but Harris is good friend of CP. Why CP wants to play in 2nd half…?Now CP is like biggest 3 in Mav. Lin & him seemed to not that close now. He didn’t show up in Lin’s video…

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    When a opponent does that type of defense, Lin needs to tell his teammates to clear out so that he can simply go past him…All call a quick pick at the top and blow past him.

    What Jeremy did was to try to soak up the pressure and press while dribbling around…..He was probably trying to run a set play there..That play should had been called off and clear the path so Jeremy could quickly blow past him

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Maybe. I think it’s good idea to pull Lin out of game. BTW, did you see CP had any interaction w Lin on or off the court? Weird no news or picture of them together?

  • Briiick

    Mav wanted Lin to play for them without pay last summer and failed, LOL.

  • Dorothy

    tanking

  • Joe what do you know

    Man…. Just saw this footage. Missed the 2nd half of the game yesterday.
    This is intense!! Who guards like this? There could easily be contact fouls called if the role reverse. Harris looked like he was possessed or JLin killed his family or something….

  • GoodDayLA

    fantastic analysis. however, in real life, you don’t have time to call the pick if it’s not already expected. nba too fast, too quick. Devin is overplaying and Lin needs to blow past him. Lin did not realize it at the time.

  • GoodDayLA

    Jeremy Lin camp should tell him to just do the Sam Cassel or Magic Johnson in these situations. Damon Jones use to do it too.

    Stick your butt out and bump up the court and pivot left and right. Stick your leg out like Damon and Sam Cassel use to do.

    Because Lin will never have the fancy dribbles.

    It’s either blow by which Lin can do, or creep up the court to run Clifford’s play.

    If I were Lin’s bro, I would get ON his butt about it. But I can tell Lin and his family are quite different than I am in how they think. And that’s exactly why Lin and his baby brother are in the NBA and Taiwan league and I’m sitting on a sofa.

  • Linzen

    Jeremy banged his head against Harris at the end of this play. It’s like he banged his head against the wall when he was a kid. 🙂
    No confidence issue what-so-ever.

  • DaBoss

    We can speculate all we want about the 17 min of playing time. The good thing is that Jeremy now has a coach who takes the time to sit down, watch film, and TALK TO HIM face to face – not go to the media and make snarky comments about his play on the court. I’m sure Clifford and Jeremy will talk/have talked about last night or at the very least Jeremy feels comfortable approaching the coach about it – unlike his last two coaches. Whatever it was, i think Clifford will be honest with Jeremy and will coach Jeremy on fine tuning And further developing different aspects of his game – something other coaches never took the time to do.

  • CJSHYY

    Of course not.

  • heart

    If you watch Carlisle coaching style, he usually adjusts very quickly. Why didn’t he double team Al until late 3rd or 4th qtr when it was too late and only for one or two possessions? It does not make sense.

  • GoodDayLA

    some nba player took 5 steps in the indiana detroit game the other day.

    Unless a true Lin fan makes a 5 year long tape of the travesties of bad defensive and offensive calls against Lin, nobody will care.

    If the tape was made, I’m certain it would go viral on twitter and other social media and the NBA would ref Lin a little better.

  • CJSHYY

    I know… that’s why I think it’s Al showcase for Mav… They need a C so badly now.

  • GoodDayLA

    he looks slower to me this season so far. Don’t know why but he does. maybe stress or weight of pressure of something.

  • heart

    CP is full of himself.

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    What happened to Davin Harris last night?

    It’s simple: revenge! Because Jeremy Lin once blocked Davin Harris’shot last year as a Laker
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bVJ9v5CxinA

  • heart

    So much going on behind the scene. We only caught up or get a glimpse of it until it happens.

  • JJ Hui
  • Joe what do you know

    I don’t think it’s a result of a single block from a game in the past. I think DWill still hold the grudge over being the first person to fall under the Linsanity sword… So he might’ve ask Harris to execute his share of revenge as well…

  • DaBoss

    A picture is worth a thousand words! 🙂

  • CJSHYY

    I know but it’s so obviously Cliff set up for Al to get big stats last night. Otherwise why Al needed to go back during trash time?! For above 30 pts….

  • Joe what do you know

    Do you guys think this has something to do with Al and Cliff’s heated exchange during the game?

  • heart

    Yep. Usually scores/stats are evenly distributed among players when its team ball.

  • heart

    I don’t know, but from the look of it I didn’t like it. Al was right to be upset, IMO. He was working hard for those points and still got yelled at.

  • GoodDayLA

    Carlisle was tanking. There is no way he thinks JJ can guard Lin. Anytime you see Lin paired against a shorter guard, Lin will almost always own that matchup.

    Rick either forgot how to coach or wanted to tank in the first half.

    Or its simply my philopshy come true in that Carlisle had his hands tied and didn’t want to disrespect JJ by not playing him. See when You play Lin at PG, the Mavs have NO OTHER option but to either put small fry JJ on Lin or put JJ on LAMB to lock Lin down with bigger guy.

    Either way, you lose.

    I suspect the next time Chicago plays, Aaron Brooks will not be on Lin as much or will play a lot less vs. Lin.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Exactly….People need to take a look at Clifford substitution patterns…He hasn’t yet deviated away from bringing Lin in very late in the 1st and 3rd quarter…..Until that changes, I simply can’t see how Lin gets enough minutes to do his thing.

    It could be that he only sees Lin at about a 20minute guy at best..I would like to see Lin enter the game a bit earlier so he can get an additional 3-4 minutes in the 1st and 3rd quarter…

    Instead of subbing him in with 2 minute left, Cliff should bring him in at about the 5th minute…same for 3rd….If that is done, we should see Lin get about 25+ minutes

  • GoodDayLA

    I know Lin is Christian and all but when Zeller gets fouled like that in front of his face for the flagrant, it would be cool to see Lin show some fire to protect his teammate.

  • Yascar

    Does anybody have a video clip of just the missed assist in Lin’s stats? I want to send it to NBA stats.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Good point. I think Cuban and CP were in on this disgrace together. We should just ignore it. Hornets won in a blow out. Next game!

  • GoodDayLA

    Thanks for posting these very good highlights. I don’t think Lin was that bad as I thought at first. Surely no superstar but a solid backup guard player that night.

    Unfortunately he got embarrassed by Devin on those plays but that’s ok. Lin should learn to use his butt in the future and just back up the court and acknowledge he lacks the handle. Or show us all he actually has the handle if he has it (I don’t think he has it). All he had to do was some double cross type action, space Devin out in the backcourt, and Devin would have gone flying the wrong way.

    Even basic bball DVD for children tell you when you are pressured in the backcourt, dribble backwards of take a half step back and then cross the other way, and sometimes you throw in a double cross. Lin missed those videos I guess.

    Flair and showmanship can be practiced but Lin has never practiced those things in his life and probably has no interest in doing so. I hope he starts sticking out his butt. And when the traps come, the team has game planned around it so he can dump off.

  • Whitman Lam

    It doesn’t work if your defender is grabbing onto you with their off arm.

  • bolero

    he draw a fouled. I though i ‘ve seen him draw a fouled too when someone try to pressure him before. Not sure who did it. Wall or westbrook. i’m not sure..

  • Michael

    Harris acting like he was playing hard defense, all show no substance and a bunch of fouls all the way across half court that the refs let slide. That was a sign of desperation from Harris, cause they had nothing left they could do. Lin answered with that and-1 moments later and was smiling when he shot the free throw, so I can’t understand why some think he was taken out because he was “rattled”?

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I remember one time D12 was picking on Asik and JLin got in Dwight’s face. But do you expect J to always be the enforcer? Where was big Al and the other bigs?

  • Whitman Lam

    That was definitely a foul on that 3 point shot at 4:07 the defender pushed him as he released the shot.

  • GoodDayLA

    Tyler is the guy you need to be the enforcer I guess. Not expecting Lin to fight. Maybe go check on Zeller?

  • Wayne Li
  • linfan

    Scouting report said Hornets are now a three point shooting team and not going to Al much. Al had not scored a lot in previous games. So Carlisle decided to single cover Al and shut down the other guys outside shooting. So Clifford goes inside to Al who has a field day against single coverage. I watched Al a lot when he was a Celtic, you can’t single cover him when he gets the ball down low. Now other teams have to worry about outside shooting AND the inside game with Al on the block. Tough to defend all that, unless you have premier shot blocker to cover Al one on one. Will Duncan cover Al for SAS, or will they put Aldridge on him?

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Lin got embarrassed by Devin on those plays .. In fact, I think Lin did well against Harris. So glad he finally can figure it out how to D this kind of strong one on one D.

  • Vintage

    Just reviewed the game. Lin looked good. Protected the ball against BS tactics, and made them pay. Gotta save energy for real contenders rather than waste any more energy on chumps than necessary. Rest up, get those legs stronger not weaker.

  • Michael

    You do have a point as the perimeter shots weren’t exactly falling for the Hornets. Maybe Carlisle didn’t want to risk opening up the floor early on. A lot of teams can just single-cover Al, last night was an anomaly.

  • GoodDayLA

    in America, that is considered getting punked. First, he barely got the ball up & was lucky to get the foul call. Then he immediately traveled since he was not 100% confident.

    Lin may have won’t the game but he lost in the court of public opinion.

    Those are the battles he must win to earn a starting NBA position. Meaningless showmanship matters in the NBA more than you realize. Results and advanced stats are not enough on their own.

  • CJSHYY

    I think you didn’t watch the full game. Lin made Harris got the foul first. That travel call just unfair… smh!

  • Whitman Lam

    Lin didn’t travel. You’re allowed to take a step to gather the ball, especially if you’re running to it.

  • GoodDayLA

    the highlights are above my friend. I’m at a loss for words with you.

  • CJSHYY

    Same here.

  • GoodDayLA

    that’s a travel. It’s not often called at the NBA level anymore. But with Lin, high school rules are fair game.

  • Whitman Lam

    So the NBA rules are different for one player only ??

  • GoodDayLA

    you clearly did not play bball or grow up in urban settings in the USA .

    If you did, you would understand why that is perceived as failure. I am not attacking Lin. I am simply telling you what I know to be a fact.

    This site has a lot of great stuff but sometimes its posters sticks too hard to hope and optimism at the expense of seeing the truth. I guess that’s why the other site exists.

    If Lin just sticks his butt out and rams up the court, he’ll be fine. I hope to see him do it soon. Magic Johnson did it for 12 seasons.

  • GoodDayLA

    yes the asian rules. Lin should know that he was going to get jacked there. to be honest, It wasn’t even racial motivated.

    Refs looking for a way to reward Devin and give Dallas something to cheer about. Unfortunately Lin gave them a way.

    You have to be careful after getting the foul in your favor.

    The only guard that paranoid that thinks like I do is CP3. He gets these things. That is why people respect him so much even though he is now older and lost a lot of athleticism and cannot quite dominate like before AND the league is now more athletic with better shooting and skills.

  • Yascar

    Lin will perhaps never be the showman. He will do it his way, for better or for worse. And that will disappoint a lot of fans, but that is who he is. He would rather be himself than play a part to get a starting job. That much is consistent in the choices he has made.
    I see reality as much as you do. But I think we will come to different conclusions as to how we both think Lin should play.
    And at the end of all of that, Lin will do what he’ll do anyway. We’re just along for the ride.

  • I am The Jason

    I watch Lin’s highlights and he played a good game. People were focus to much on his minutes. First, Lin picked phantom fouls and 2nd, the Hornets blew out the Mavs.

    As for Devon Harris playing tough D, I had no issue with it. What I did not like was Lin’s teammates leaving him on an island. Steph Curry teammates would have came and set a pick to free up Curry. If Hornets players preach about brotherhood, that would have been an opportunity to show it. I would love not to shake my head with the Hornets 2nd unit.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks for being a sound voice/mind here. Tired of reading JLin being put down in JLin fan site. For the ones who didn’t watch the whole game, please watch it before making any comment. Highlights just doesn’t portray the whole game and what was happening…

  • GoodDayLA

    I think Lin is very good in his role and will win Charlotte more than 10-15 game that they would if he was not on the roster. He just won’t be a starter or star on the team. He’ll be a glue guy who is desparately needed to win games and stretch out scores. I suspect it will look UGLY at times but Lin will get results.

  • Whitman Lam

    No ref would allow anyone to even breath on Chris Paul, let alone get in his face with the forearms and bodying up.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    After the head-butt, CP25 had to be the first Mav to run over and congratulate Harris. Many posters were often saying that Parsons is not a real friend and now I’m convinced as well.

  • Alain Gervais

    They probably was caught off guard by it. it only happened once or twice

  • Phillycheese

    Yes, I was addressing the assertions and not the assertor. But I guess that doesn’t fit your agenda so continue and accuse me of whatever you think.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I don’t play BB game but I think Lin did well vs Harris last night. I know some of fans here are so passionate about him & you can’t say one bad word about Lin. But not me.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Please watch out of what you wrote. Please observe the rules. Don’t provoke any controversial in this site. This is the first and final warning to you.

  • GoodDayLA

    while that is true, CP3 is very good in his own ways of protecting himself. In the Olympics, I think Greece, Lithuania was hard fouling him bringing the ball up. So CP3 just stuck his butt out and got hammered and there was no foul. He looked at the ref in shock and then just stuck his butt out again, moved his hands around the defender’s groin area, and before you know it the defender backed off BIG time. And CP3 was able to freely pass the ball.

  • CJSHYY

    So maybe my guess it’s true then? Harris is CP’s good friend & they did this to Lin on purpose.

  • GoodDayLA

    your past posts saying I was out of line were fair. but this commentary to my last post I feel is unfair. I did not attack. Rather I stated a position founded in logic and based upon my personal experiences.

    I truly believe people who think like CJSHYY did not grow up playing Ameircan based basketball, particularly among black and urban envorinonments.

    I was not name calling or being insulting.

    I KNOW nba fans and most people in America who watch and play basketball view Lin’s inability to flash past Devin easily view that as a sign of his inability to handle the rock with easy and put his man into limbo. Particularly among the 30 and under crowd.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    And add Cuban to the mix.

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t think they are close now bc Lin didn’t invite CP to his video… Best friend…?!

  • Whitman Lam

    Devon Harris is a big, heavy guard. You don’t think he’ll be pushing back against Lin if he tried to do that ?

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Linzen

    To be fair, CP25 ran over, but more looking at Lin than congratulating Harris. #7 (don’t even know who he is) was the one high-five Harris.

  • CJSHYY

    When Mav put Harris vs Lin before the game, I already thought it’s weird. Why Harris? Now I know…

  • GoodDayLA

    Lin has a good backside. You use that thing and bump hard enough, it will do damage. NBA players don’t wear cups.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    They both slapped hands with him.

  • CJSHYY

    Really don’t like Mav now… smh!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I’m talking rule #4 that you are breaking.
    Do not antagonize or bait other users. Whether you are sincere in your
    beliefs or not, if your posts consist solely of trolling others, you
    will be banned. (Example: “Are you a 5-year old child?”)

  • heart

    That was my first assessment after the game, but it took me a minute later to question why didn’t Carlisle double teaming Al. He wasn’t a scoring machine even w/ single coverage in previous games. Dirk’s defense was not up to par. We do not know the motive of a man’s heart, we can only judge by his actions. And one of the many thoughts have been raised from the outcome of this game–> is Mavs in stealth tanking mode? As for SAS, they’ll try to win and will adjust accordingly and in a timely manner. Will Clifford use Lin the right way to win or will he be out coached? That is the question. We’ll see soon.

  • bolero

    powell?

  • Linzen

    Don’t get me wrong… I don’t like them (including CP25) at all.

  • GoodDayLA

    thank you for the clarification

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Think about it. Before free agency even started, Lin had an agreement to join the Mavs. That’s why he was in Taiwan acting so calm. He just needed to wait for DJ to make up his mind. But what happened after the deals fell through has not been made public. I actually think that Lin bailed out.

  • Linzen

    I don’t like CP25… but I really don’t see him slapping hands with Harris.

  • Curious

    He did invite him though, they just couldn’t find the time to film together (from Jeremy’s AMA on Reddit).

  • Linzen

    Oh yes.

  • CJSHYY

    You really think bc Lin didn’t join Mav so they planned this action last night to against him? I don’t see Cuban really cares it’s Lin or PB or whoever be the PG this summer. He wants CP to run the point for them not PG.

  • Linzen

    WTH, and the ref is only 5 feet away LOOKING at the play. SMH

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Just another thought: Was how Harris and CP25 treatment to JLin because JLin didn’t sign up with Mavs in their distorted mind? I know it’s a far-fetched conspiracy theory but hey why not????!!!!

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! That’s PR talk… CP can be like D12 just made a video well do. CP even went to Israel for Casspi’s foundation.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Glad that JLin is still having “fun” at Riverwalk. Surprise to see JLin is wearing his training jersey when he was having his yammy breakfast.

    Whenever I visited San Antonio, this was where I got luncheons and dinners. Have so many yammy TexMex food there:-)

  • CJSHYY

    BTW, did you see Lin & CP talked after the game?

  • GoodDayLA

    No you can tell by the teammates reaction after the foul, that Devin decided to guard Lin like that on his own accord without direction of the coaching staff or anyone else.

    Devin believes Lin has a weak handle and can be turned over so that was what he was trying to do and he succeeded. well through the ref he succeeded.

  • GoodDayLA

    that did look like a foul. But its Lin and nobody cares. Unfair.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t know but from the whole team reaction… it seemed like they set up this to against Lin on purpose. Before the game, CP also said he wants to play in 2nd half only… all these happened in 2nd half.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Mavs media was starting to really to really praise Lin in advance of him joining the Mavs. Cuban may not like like being told no. Just speculating. Never saw someone guard J like that before.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Maybe it’s sour grape from Harris that he behaved the way he behaved???

  • GoodDayLA

    just watch the actual game film You don’t have to be a basketball expert to see the reactions after the foul. Devin Harris decided on his own to play hard defense on Lin to try and cause him to cough up the ball.

  • CJSHYY

    Only that ESPN reporter… none from Mav FO or even CP at all… I really don’t think Lin wants to go to Mav or they really high on him. (FO or Cuban…)

  • CJSHYY

    I think Harris got the instruction to do so. Last night it’s Al show not Lin. Why needed to do so in blowout game?

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    It’s not that important but Harris sticks out 2 hands as #25 and #7 approach him. We cannot see #25 actually slap hands because #7 is blocking our view. I would assume it happened but cannot be certain. It’s at the 5:13 mark.

  • bolero

    nah. he did the same thing to Robert before Lin. and Robert lost the ball.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Yep. That was the weirdest part of the game. That was why I was glad JLin was out soon after that. Didn’t want him to get injury from this …. player. When I didn’t see his teammates were helping him out and all these nonsense, I was glad he was subbed out. There are another 77 games to go. No point to play more for a game that he has already helped to put a win in the basket.

  • Curious

    Here is a direct quote: “we were both trying to make it work but our schedules never matched up…what scene would you have wanted to see him in?”. If you think Jeremy is lying for PR – go ahead, I am not into conspiracy theories.

  • Briiick

    Mav didn’t act like they wanted to save some cap room or role for Lin last summer.

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. I am glad Lin’s out. I think Cliff or Hornets could tell Mav was against Lin on court so really not wise to let him stayed on court.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    We all watched the game. You have your own view and many others have the different views on what was going on. Please just agree to disagree.

  • BobbyH

    Succeeded how? Did Lin loss the ball? Did the game momentum turn because of that?

    Just ask yourself, if you were in that situation, what would you do? Team won, that’s what matters.

  • CJSHYY

    Well said.

  • guest

    thank you. I am getting weary of his post.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t have conspiracy theories. Just said CP can make a video like D12.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    There must be more behind the scenes than we know of. I saw his smile in this sequence. Obviously I would like him to play the rest of the game but in light of this … player, I was glad he was taken out. Believe coach would like to put him back in after a rest but since the starters and Lamb were able to hold the fold, he wasn’t needed. Not getting the sense that JLin was betrayed. If this continues for the next few games esp with close games, then I will think differently but for now I’m cool.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Welcome! Yes I understand.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I don’t think Lin was upset by not close the game last night or took out of game early. He looked fine to me. I really think it’s Al show last night. They wanted him to pad stats so no need for Lin to come back. Hornets still promotes Lin a lot so don’t think it’s bad situation for him like Rox or Lakers.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • CJSHYY

    Even Dallas commentators said so… That’s why I think Lin did well last night.

  • Voting Poll vs SAS game is up.
    I voted 18pts/4a since Lin+Kemba’s penetration & playmaking will be sorely needed

    No blowout!

  • webattorney

    Devin was definitely putting ball pressure on Lin; that much is certain. Don’t know if this was on his own or due to what they agreed to do before the game.

  • webattorney

    I wouldn’t say a good game, but I thought this game was better than 2 previous games.

  • webattorney

    Don’t know about the travel call, but yeah, Devin tried to “show up” Lin there.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Vintage

    What you’re saying is a false dichotomy. To simplify it to merely “juke with fancy moves” or “use your butt fails to take in consideration what’s really going on.

    If you’re genuinely interested in understanding how to handle full court ball pressure.
    http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351806

    “I was a very good PG at the HS level, and a walk on at the college level. I had the misfortune at the time, but after the fact it’s been a blessing, to play for two coaches at both levels.

    In my younger years in HS, we ran a post up press breaker that I still employ now. It does require a big who can catch and pass. But it kills, especially against man pressure, because big men don’t defend in the press very well. The gist is to bait the pressure to the sidelines so they think they’re getting what they want, then retreat and hit a big flashing middle, and run up the sideline to attack, or use a second guard to behind for relief, which usually results in a quick switch of the court and an attack from there. And the ball handling move for dealing with traps, and one I teach all the time, is what I call a drag dribble, but I often hear as a retreat dribble. It was always counter-intuitive for me to go backwards, but once I trained myself to do it, creating that space and then going forward was a brutal option for people to defend. And it does work against hard man to man too. It’s just about making space.

    If you’re talking ball hounding man up pressure, my senior year in HS coach used to employ the traditional clear out and let me bring it up even if I had a young Gary Payton on me.

    It was rarely a problem. Not to say I never got one picked, but it was never an issue where it affected us to the point we changed the approach or anything. But I was a physical guard. I played in HS at 6 feet and about 190 lbs. I was quick, although not as quick as some of the guys guarding me. If they didn’t want to keep their distance, I focused on a single move. Don’t get too cute trying to blow by guys with multiple moves, or tricky ball handling, and don’t put it in front of them much. If they pressed me before I started my dribble it was nothing. A jab series could get me half a step on anyone. And once I had my shoulder in you it’s was just a ride into the frontcourt.
    After the bounce meant having to put a move on the bounce into it. I used basically three moves. A hard snapped crossover, tight and on the inside, nothing wide and flared out like an AI in the halfcourt. There’s too much risk there. Frankly even that wasn’t my preference because even at it’s best it requires exposure and hence some risk. A between the legs was my preference. It keeps your body in the way more even though it takes a hair longer. But you’re not looking for a blow by. The reward is just getting it up the court, so why increase the risk much. And thirdly is my favorite. A short inside out move. It just deeks the change of direction, which means the risk is really minimal. And if it just freezes your guy for a moment, you can get your shoulder in and go.

    A few more tips. Know you can put a foot over the mid court line. Two of the three of The Ball, and your two feet, have to be over the line to be established in the front court. It’s a great trick to bait the trap and then use that retreat dribble, and then everything opens up behind it.

    Don’t be afraid to give the ball up.

    Minimize the risk to the ball. There’s no benefit in making someone look bad that far from the hoop. It just exposes more risk.

    Be physical. Once you have a body on them, ride them up the court.”

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I’ve been voting on this stat but so far zil:-) Thinking whether I should lower my standard. Now you make me wonder:-)

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Agreed.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yeah. even though his stats line doesn’t look all that great, he was definitely giving the Mavs team all kinds of trouble with his usual dribble penetration and hand-in-the-face defense. why else do you think they gang up on him so badly? and Harris desperately trying to harass him when they’re down 20 points. Lin pretty much the guy who sealed the win when he pushed the lead back up to 23 points

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! It’s very hard to predict his game now bc just can’t sure his playing time for each game?!

  • Briiick

    Yes. Batum was playing selfishly, but not as bad as Haren. For his own stats he shouldn’t play 2 or handle the ball, he is not very effective playing the point.

  • blubell

    What? you’ve not been voting Hairsanity? lol

  • Briiick

    Agreed !

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Is that a cross or some type of cross?…Is he a christian?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOLOL Haven’t voted Hairsanity nor Linsanity thus far:-)

  • Acbc

    I’m following captain Brent, Hairsanity forever!

  • Michael

    If I vote Hairsanity every time do I get a free ticket to the finals?

  • blubell

    The first game poll didn’t have Hairsanity as an option so I added it. I can’t believe Psalm didn’t include it! Shame! haha

  • blubell

    The Muppets are funny.

  • blubell

    Yes that is a cross and I believe he is a Christian. He tweeted this a while a go…
    https://twitter.com/CodyZeller/status/635986752516198400

  • Acbc

    Wonder if Shaq will show the 3 refs that didn’t see a player take 5 steps to make a layup recently and all 3 missed the call. All the fans and other players saw it but the zebras totally missed it. How can 3 professional refs miss a call like that, one was running down court about 6 feet away from him? They all deserved to be made into Shaqqin fools.

  • Cookiemole
  • Michael

    They are right? So I guess that’s a no?

  • Acbc

    The finals of wah?

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • blubell

    Depends on what finals. Troll finals?

  • Linzen

    There can certainly be a conspiracy considering everything that happened this summer.

    But, at the same time. This could be a legitimate play. When Harris harassed Jeremy, they were down only 14 early in the 4th. It could be a play to fire up the whole team. And, in fact the whole team got very excited…
    Too bad it also fired up Jeremy. By the time Jeremy was sub-ed out, they were down 20… hahahaha…

  • sport

    Is Tyler another one of those character unfairly treated due to bias? Because having stats among those all stars proves he’s a starter!

  • LW

    Lin’s official stat was:

    FG 3P FT TO PF PTS
    3-8 0-3 1-1 4 2 7

    Questionable calls:
    Offensive foul on Barrea – PF,FG,PTS
    Traveling – TO
    Non-call on 3pt – FG,FT,PTS

    So the stat should really be:
    FG 3P FT TO PF PTS
    4-8 0-2 4-4 2 1 12

    For those who scrutinize Lin based only on stats, they should analyze his true stats.
    To my eyes from watching the full game, not just highlights and given stats, Lin played great in the game and was actually the one who sealed the win with his pass to Cody then and1 drive to the rim. He entered the 3rd with Hornets only up by 11 but with that play they were up by 21 in the 4th. Game won there! No need to stick around just for ‘stats’.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • John Focker

    Give him some more time and he will get there.

  • Wayne Li

    Lol, top 11, odd number.

  • John Focker

    Agreed, might as well have done top 15. Top 11 looks way too deliberate in the attempt to include Kemba.

  • John Focker

    I still don’t understand why Tyler gets no love, like AT ALL.

  • grover chang

    This smelled of desperation and painted Harris as a victim of urgency. The last guy I saw play like this was Patrick Beverly. Why the similar attitude, because they are outmatched and could only resort to this. Harris should not do this again. Makes his team look pathetic. This vine is the consequence of their self doubt.

  • grover chang

    Their was a company that made pantyhose’s that did not run. They went out of business. There was another company that made razor blades for shaving that barely dulled. They went out of business. These companies did such a great job, their customers did not need to buy anymore of their products. Lin is the victim of his own dominance. His unit fulfilled their job so well Clifford the last two games did not need to keep them on the court.

  • TTNN

    because that number 11. 🙂

    Kemba suprisingly with his speed, don’t drive that much, but so far he has better FG% with drive. On this team, Lin drive the most, then Kemba, then Batum and Lamb. Even with much less playing time, total drive number was ranked that way.

  • grover chang

    Because he doesn’t look like he is under control. I find it disruptive to the teams rhythm. He should only come in when the other team is firing on all cylinders and the Hornets are out of rhythm anyways. Hansbrough would look better if he dialed down the intensity a notch.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    2 seasons ago with the Rockets, Lin was 2nd in the league in drive %, behind only by number 1 LBJ.

  • spiderman

    … while Hairston and Al get TOO MUCH love currently. What’s the deal? Are they being primed for a trade?

  • DaBoss

    Not sure if anyone posted about this, but just re-watched yesterday’s Inside the NBA with Ernie Johnson and the fellas. Talked about how Charlotte has improved this year with new acquisitions. Mentioned Lin,Lamb,Batum,Hawes and how guys like Lin and Lamb are starting to deliver and prove themselves against all the naysayers. Described some of the new guys as “renegades” – I like that ?
    Also mentioned Charlotte is a team playing with a chip on its shoulder and that they’ll be 7th or 8th seed in playoffs ?

  • TTNN

    well, I’m not sure about CP, but the second team with that beginning of 4th quarter had a +8, it is kind of desperate move for Mav.

    I would totally not surprised that coach might had something against Lin since he did not want to take lower money to go with Mav, but would take the same amount to go to Hornets. They might go specifically towards him to gain some better feeling, and coach Clifford would take Lin out, if Mav is going specifically towards him and the team is winning big.

    Just look at the game flow here, you could clearly tell when Lin is out.

    http://www.popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20151105&game=CHADAL

  • jlim7

    “Lucky to get the foul call”? It is legitimate, correct call. Not convinced about “in America, that is considered getting punked” and “lost in the court of public opinion.” May be you want to replace ‘America’ and ‘public’ with something else that is smaller?

  • LW

    I saw that too. So it’s not just against Lin.

  • DaBoss

    Yes the family is very strong in their faith. They also have a family foundation that does a lot of good work. A good teammate and friend for Jeremy!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks for the reporting. Only watched the segment on Al and Coach’s incident.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lakers and Nets, somebody has to win tonight.

  • CJSHYY

    I thought Nets had the chance… but they are so bad. Lakers finally won one. smh!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I was laughing at both teams while watching, they were entertained in term of jokers.

  • jlim7

    Succeeded through the ref is weak. Nobody is pleased when referee decides the duel.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Watching the highlight, seeing Harris was a fool. He tried to be hero in front of the team and owner. Lin was acting cool but he’s no fool, he knows he’s the target because he’s the reason this Hornets are playing hard and together this season (we can say the same to DWill too, the one responsible for Linsanity?). All I hope was Clifford to acknowledge that and proofing me wrong.

    Destroy (not just a win) the Spurs next!

  • GoodDayLA

    7th or 8th seed will be too low if Lin is 1/2 the player we thought he was. Even off the bench.

    If they are 7th or 8th seed, just means Lin isn’t that good.

    I anticipate top 4 seed based on the belief Lin provides win shares even if not a great fantasy player.

  • Rzo Vlade

    LOL PELICANS

  • GoodDayLA

    1. He is a white American.
    2. He is not very long and lengthly.
    3. His game is ugly in terms of aesthetics.
    4. His movements are awkward.
    5. He plays overly rough at times so other teams pick on him & sometimes its counter productive.
    6. He’s not a highlight factory for TV.
    7. As you can see, he cannot score close in and misses chippies all day long.

  • GoodDayLA

    you are talking about #5 point I posted above in a different way.

  • GoodDayLA

    you guys are looking at it rationally. I do too. That’s why I think it’s unfair how Lin doesn’t get a shot in the NBA to do more.

    But I also understand the American concepts of shock and awe. IN the NBA, it is not enough to not turn the ball over. The fans, GM’s, coaches, and teams want to see sizzle and mastery. Lin looks like he is struggling not to turn it over and beat the 8 second count.

    They are more impressed by mastery and embarrassment on specific plays than efficiency and advanced stats.

    Its something you can continue to ignore but it will continue to hound you when people that are not Lin fans continue to say he stinks.

    You don’t have to agree with it but you should try to understand it.

  • DaBoss

    Did the Jlin supporter who said they were going to the game last night ever post any observations? Would love to hear from him/her!

  • GoodDayLA

    the NBA is still an American product with American fans and American owners still until the game goes global and Asian billionaires and Middle Eastern Oilmen are allowed to buy NBA teams.

  • GoodDayLA

    If I was Lin, just knowing how the crooked NBA works, I would have caught the ball there with inside foot planted and turned around. If Devin was all up on my grill, I would lean forward and low in crouch and get space SLOWLY as not get the offensive foul. CP3 is very adept at little things like this and knowing when he can travel and cheat and when not to do it.

  • DaBoss

    Why am I not surprised to hear your negative spin again. Btw why do you put it all on Lin? This is teamball. If Jeremy helps them to get to playoffs that’s what matters to him.

  • GoodDayLA

    Huh? I said Lin alone can propel this team to top4? How is that “negative”?

  • GoodDayLA

    Sounds like you could really play.

    Yes I mentioned above Lin should do a retreat dribble with a change or direction, or not. He never does that.

  • DaBoss

    We know how you always mix in negatives and then try to redeem your comments with some sort of fake positive. Better for you to stay on that other site with the rest of the fair weather Lin “fans”.

  • GoodDayLA

    Ray McCullem plays against Lin tomorrow right?

  • DaBoss

    There you go again.

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    Got a question for Lin fans:
    Dallas Mavericks
    If you look at the logo, it is a stallion.
    Why Chinese translate it as 达拉斯小牛队?but not达拉斯雄马队?

  • GoodDayLA

    the other site has more American based fans. What you think as negative over there is just crazy Asian Americans going off at the injustice Lin faces and feeling there is no hope because they’ve seen the injustice in other areas of society for decades. They are actually very much die hards in their own way. I give respect to the people of both sites.

    This site of course is more uplifting though at times it does tend to take a bit too optimistic of an approach and tends to try to hold Lin completely faultless I feel. But then, why do we live if we don’t dream big?

    I posted something VERY negative over there yesterday. So if you want to see what I think negative is like, go check it out.

    I actually try to temper myself here haha.

  • GoodDayLA

    Better?

  • Acbc

    Less typing?

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Even it’s fake account but …. LOL!

    https://twitter.com/LakerzOwner/status/662829829650157568

  • TTNN
  • Acbc

    Lol, sleeping contest finals. Michael the GOAT of sleepy trolls.

  • DaBoss

    No thank you.

  • Acbc

    Pretty much what we’ve been saying. Second unit has higher pace ( and talent ).

  • CJSHYY
  • Acbc

    It’s a catch 22 for guys like him. He knows he’s capable if he can find someone to trust him and give him time. It’s a slippery slope once you get on that slide and people think you can’t play. You become desperate and overcompensate by trying too hard when you do get any minutes.

    If you look at Lin and how he manages to handle the bias and put downs, then look at Hansbrough, you’d get a sense of amazement at how mentally tough Lin is. Lin’s ability to separate the forest from the trees and focus on only the things he can control is absolutely remarkable.

  • John Focker

    Ok, but isn’t that something coach needs to work on, to guide and mentor the players?

  • Lx

    Spurs are going to get murdered, bet fifty.

  • Lx
  • John Focker

    A maverick is by definition a young bovine, therefore 小牛. The Mavs logo having a horse, OTOH, I’m not sure how that came about.

  • Dorothy

    family of 4 I believe

  • kauaiblue

    yeah, go Jlin!

  • Uh-Oh

    Dating with some one from marriage potential perspective I guess. Too young maybe too unstable.

  • kauaiblue

    is bring back the buzz a jeremy lin fansite or a hornets fansite?

  • BobbyH

    You are talking about perception here. Yes, I agree about the part of so called great American concept of this flash and fancy flux, not just in NBA, but basically in every aspect of US living. But most of them are short-lived and at the end it is the value that prevails, which is another contrasting spectrum of American culture. That value could be family, love, friendship, hard-working, anything that is deeply embedded to be the foundation of this great country.

    You know basketball and you know NBA. But the Harris act is actually a fool act to most of basketball professionals, players, GM, coaches, journalists, because that’s unnecessary and unprofessional. Why? It does serve one purpose and one purpose only, a burst, and to some people, it is a desperate burst that has little impact, if any, on the game.

    Yes, to some it is embarrassing, but why it is embarrassing to Lin. On the contrary it is embarrassing to Harris. Most of the NBA players under such condition would do no better than Lin. But still, this I know, basketball is about 5 vs 5, not one vs one. If NBA is promoting this kind of acts, then they should reduce the size of the court and have one on one contest.

    Well, as you said, my rational opinions. Perception or not Perception, value or not value.

  • Uh-Oh

    Little crow sounds better than the other one.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I think Clifford just wanted to secure the win so he inserted the first unit with Jefferson who had been killing Norwitzki with his post up and mid-range jumpers. Lin’s play time was cut short because Dallas got hot and scored 5 straight points cutting down the lead from 93-69 to 93-74.

    Cutting short Lin’s play time for the first team proved working in the game. The Hornets secured the win after Lin checked out with 7:47 minutes left. Jefferson and Walker checked in and they put the Hornets ahead 105-86 with 2:47 minutes left before the third team came in.

  • Uh-Oh

    Hahahahaha! Exactly what I thought!

  • Uh-Oh

    This tells you you never know till the end!
    A better beginning doesn’t necessarily guarantee a better ending, and vice versa.

  • JoeTeam

    sorry, 19 pts lead to me and a 5 pt run-up is not big enough to validate your theory. BBall is streaky, and good coaches know that. JLin was out for a different reason, and I can’t guess because I didn’t watch much of the game.

  • JoeTeam

    u da boss I see what you did there I can’t help but say this.

  • JoeTeam

    Just like last year until LAL iced it. This year, they will not ice the wins.

  • JoeTeam

    R U KHuang in disguise? jk

  • JoeTeam

    I need to do that, focus on the forest and stay on target.

  • blubell

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nonsense, Lin played only 6 mins in 2nd half and entered the game when they had 11 pts lead. Lin and 2nd unit took it to 24 pts down to 19 pts lead. Secure the W? Lin deserved to finish the game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin was out because the new back court now will be Lamb and Kemba.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Obviously the Mavericks was doing something that coach Clifford wanted to stop. He inserted Jefferson and Kemba Walker for Lin and Hawes.

    Kemba immediately made an assist to Zeller, then Dallas ran off another 5 points.. That was a 10-2 run. Then Jefferson traded 2 baskets with Deron Williams. Marvin traded a basket with Dirk, The run was stopped entirely thereafter. My point is coach Clifford sent in a Jeff and Kemba to stop the run of Dallas and used up invaluable time on the clock to secure the win. The Mavericks got no closer than 18 points thereafter.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    From 8:10 – 7:46 minutes left, the Mavericaks made a 10-2 run at the Hornets. Coach Clifford stopped right in the middle, and sent in Jeff and Kemba for Lin and Hawes. Jeff and Kemba protected the lead to 18 points until the 2:47 mark. Lin and Hawes did not come back at all. This is the fact.

    Yeah Jefferson had a great game; this is another fact.

  • JoeTeam

    ha ha now I know … I’ve seen hawes play well and badly. He just had to get Hawes outta there lol.

  • CJSHYY

    19 lead was not the problem. Lin was out bc Mav was targeting him… Under that situation, I think it’s best for him to out of the game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Here is the fact:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400827959&period=4

    ****8:10Spencer Hawes shooting foul (Dirk Nowitzki draws the foul)93-69 8:10 93-70Dirk Nowitzki makes free throw 1 of 28:10 93-71Dirk Nowitzki makes free throw 2 of 28:02Jeremy Lin bad pass (Chandler Parsons steals)93-71 7:47 93-74J.J. Barea makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)7:46Hornets Full timeout7:46Al Jefferson enters the game for Spencer Hawes93-74 7:46Kemba Walker enters the game for Jeremy Lin93-74***

    What 10-2 are you talking ABOUT? They scored 5 straight points that’s it.

    Some trust from the coach hah? Up 19 and you don’t trust Lin, how the the heck would he trust if the lead only 5 or even down by 5? This is the beginning of Lin “no close in the 4Q” if you agree with this ridiculous move.

  • JoeTeam

    ah, good pt.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    the Mavs never ran 10-2.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    You omitted something after Lin was out there was a five points to 2 run before the Hornets could answer the Mavericks. Don’t just look at Lin and Hawes. Why don’t you look at the team as a whole. The Mavericks made 10-2 run against the Hornets. Half against Lin-Hawes with no answer. At Least after Lin-Hawes left, the Hornets answered with 2 points with Zeller’s 2 point shots.

    Coach Clifford called the time out just right and then Kemba and Jefferson traded baskets with the Mavericks and consumed the time clock to secure the win. It’s a fact. Whether Lin-Hawes stayed on the court could do the same is an arguement. Kemba and Jefferson did a wonderful job thereafter was a fact. The game was won. What more did you want?

    There should be no complaint against coach Clifford’s decision. The game was won with the insertion of Walker and Jefferson.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    When did they run 10-2 against the Hornets? I linked to you the play by play. Can’t you get your fact straight? Lamb scored some points too. Stop giving excuses to a coach that not trusting Lin.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    So coach Clifford sent in Walker and the target was on the bench. Mavericks could not mount a comeback thereafter. Should we give credit to the coach’s decision? The game was won because Jefferson made 3 straight baskets, then Marvin Williams added another, Kemba made 1 assist and 2 FTs; game over for the Mavericks!

  • kauaiblue

    Watched highlights again (thanks bluebell)… jeremy made some nice plays… not as bad as i initially thought. ..

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Maybe it’s best if they put him in D-league where it’s safer for Lin. Or perhaps put him in the 3rd unit next to Tyler, garbage time only. All safe.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Whatever you want. The coach sent in someone instead and the job was done. Good for the team. This is a solid win. Every Hornets should be happy.

  • TTNN

    Lin came out with 19 point lead, right after that 15-2 run in the beginning of 4th quarter.

    Lin came out right after his turnover, which caused a JJ 3pts shot. That’s the start of the 10-2 run of Marv, but Lin was out of the game already.

    Lin and Hawes were out at the same time, and changed by Kemba and AI, and looks like that’s the start of switching back to starters. So it could also be that the team had big lead, so coach just want to put the starter back in early to open it up a little bit so that it could go into garbage time.

    That second team was playing very good, but that TO was on both Lin and Hawes, thus the early sub.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good for the Hornets, Lin’s guaranteed bench player for life.

    Job was far from done, if we’re talking about Lin.

  • Chopz

    I just watched the play where devin harris was guarding jeremy. Devin didnt do squat but hack the crap out of jeremy lin, he couldn’t even steal the ball. Once jeremy put on his real move to the right, all devin could do was bump into him. I call that the patrick beverley wanna be defense, all for show. All that commotion everyone’s talking about and he couldn’t even touch the ball from jeremy.

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    I guess it’s hard to be a XOF.
    Look at Iguodala today: Warriors vs Nuggets, 119 : 104
    He played 23 min. Scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting. If you were a Iggy-only-fan, what would you say about Curry(selfish player, shot too many?), and Warriors coach?

  • TTNN

    no, Lin was not out then, he was out because that TO when he tried to pass to Hawes and got stealed by Parsons.

  • CJSHYY

    I really think Lin did well vs Harris. He really improves a lot during this summer training. If few years ago, he would be trapped & lose the ball already.

  • Rzo Vlade

    iggy has been starter for yrs and he is end of his carrer……jlin just starting but being marginalize early if jlin is 31yrs old I am willing to take the 17 minutes

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    Yes, prior to Lin vs Harris, Harris did the same thing to Roberts, and Roberts lost the ball

  • Chopz

    And on the travel call after that, that was crap as well. Jeremy was trying to run out to get the ball, and devin locked his arm and was holding him – foul right there already. Once jeremy got free and caught the ball, devin pushed him in the back once to nudge him, and then pushed him in the stomach. Im fine if u dont wanna call a foul on that, but then a travel call on lin, straight up bogus. Play it fair refs.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Too many guesses, you say 2nd played well while most here believed Mavs made a run.

    I say 6 min for Lin in the 2nd half was sad. Lin needs to build what’s next for him too. This is business.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Let’s see what happens in game with Spurs. If Lin’s minutes get cut again, then no Lin, no win! Lin should get at least 24 minutes.

  • TTNN

    that possession it is obvious that Harris just straight foul all the way.

  • Chopz

    In basketball if u wanna one up me, take the ball from me. If u can’t, u didn’t do nothing. Imma make u foul me and use the saying we use on the courts: u reach and i teach.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Winning always comes first but with the right script. Winning secured, Lin’s stats not matter. Kamba Jordan brand and Lamb signed the future with Hornets are their 1st priority.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s why I think Cliff took Lin out it’s good idea bc Harris was a dirty player last night & Ref was unfair to Hornets. Why Lin needed to stay w 19 pts lead?

  • TTNN

    http://www.popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20151105&game=CHADAL

    Not a guess, it is a fact, just look at the game flow, that was a good 15-2 run from the start of the 4Q till half a min before Lin came out. That run basically nailed it. If you see the highlight Bluebell posted up there, even Marv’s commentator is saying “Lin/Lamb” is giving them trouble.

  • Chopz

    Blowout so im fine with that. If its a close game yeah i’d be real irritated.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The team Mavericks made a 10-2 run against the team Hornets whomever the Hornets sent in on the court. Then they were stopped cold.

    8:10 93-70 Dirk Nowitzki makes free throw 1 of 2
    8:10 93-71 Dirk Nowitzki makes free throw 2 of 2
    8:02 93-71 Jeremy Lin bad pass (Chandler Parsons steals)
    7:47 93-74 J.J. Barea makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
    7:46 Hornets Full timeout
    7:46 93-74 Al Jefferson enters the game for Spencer Hawes
    7:46 93-74 Kemba Walker enters the game for Jeremy Lin

    7:33 95-74 Cody Zeller makes two point shot (Kemba Walker assists)
    7:20 95-76 Raymond Felton makes driving layup

    7:00 95-76 Kemba Walker misses 24-foot three point pullup jump shot
    6:58 95-76 Jeremy Lamb offensive rebound
    6:48 Al Jefferson offensive Charge (Deron Williams draws the foul) 95-76
    6:48 Al Jefferson turnover 95-76
    6:48 Nicolas Batum enters the game for Cody Zeller 95-76

    6:46 95-79 Deron Williams makes 5-foot two point shot
    6:46 95-79 Kemba Walker shooting foul (Deron Williams draws the foul)
    6:46 95-79 Deron Williams makes free throw 1 of 1
    6:28 97-79 Al Jefferson makes 11-foot two point shot
    6:20 97-81 Deron Williams makes layup
    5:58 99-81 Al Jefferson makes driving layup
    5:50 99-81 Kemba Walker shooting block foul (Deron Williams draws the foul)
    5:50 99-82 Deron Williams makes free throw 1 of 2
    5:50 99-82 Wesley Matthews enters the game for Chandler Parsons
    5:50 99-83 Deron Williams makes free throw 2 of 2
    5:33 101-83 Al Jefferson makes 13-foot jumper
    5:03 103-83 Marvin Williams makes 10-foot two point shot
    4:54 103-85 Dirk Nowitzki makes 17-foot jumper (Deron Williams assists)

    Then from 4:54 to 2:47, there was no more scores from the Mavericks and Kemba made 2FTs in this stretch.

    After 2:47 the third team came in for the Hornets and Mavericks gave up

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lin’s goal and team goal can be one and the same. With no mutual goal, then, Lin will should look at what’s good for him. Helping himself also helps the team. So get out there and play, and get some! Every opportunity is 2012 again. Go Lin!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Actually yours wasn’t as I’ve linked below from ESPN. I tried to make a point he had only 6 mins and up by 19, he deserved to play at least 3 more.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You still have not showed me where the Mavs made a 10-2 run on the Hornets to cause Clifford to take Lin out?

    started with 24 pts lead………Lin out still at 19 pts lead.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    All pro athletics say team goal comes first until team goal has little to do with them.

  • Chopz

    Like i mentioned down below about devin harris not doing squat on that play vs jeremy lin but hacking the crap out of him. U need a lot more than that to shake our boy jlin, a lot lot more. To pfv and whoever thinks jeremy lin was shook, think again. We don’t call jeremy mr. 4th quarter for nothing.

  • orLinaryjoe

    He should understand that too. Adult job experience.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Reality and fact. NBA is no playground.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    That’s because you have tunnel vision and failed to see the team as a whole.
    Players are just pieces to execute plays.

    From 8:10 – 6:46, there is 10-2 run.

    Then the Hornets started to pull together mainly under Jefferson and Kemba for 3 baskets to answer Deron Williams’ 4 points. Marvin Williams answered Dirks’ basket. The run was almost stopped then.

    The coach see the big picture that you don’t.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    A true fan. Don’t underestimate Jeremy toughness.

  • CJSHYY

    The more I see the more I like about Lin’s new hair style. Really a good protection bc people don’t dare to hit his head now. LOL!

  • Hope

    Pfv knows sht about basketball. He probably didn’t watch the game. After the travel call, lin came back with a 4pts play to zeller and followed that with an&1.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin was out at 7:46 and you use the the time he’s on the bench to justify Clifford decision for taking him out? How the heck could you add another 5 points for Lin fault when he’s not in? Are you for real? My vision is just fine, it’s your logic is %$#^.

  • Chopz

    Exactly. Ain’t nothing shook about that.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Too sharp? LOL

  • Hope

    I think coach took him out because lin needed a breather. I think he’ll check back in if mavs cut into the lead which did not happen.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He has different view and he has the right to address it. I, on the other hand, stop tuning in since I don’t even remember when.

  • DaBoss

    I meant the person who went to the Mavericks game yesterday – didn’t see it on the link. Do you happen to remember the name of the poster?

  • CJSHYY

    They had 19 pts lead don’t think that TO was the key…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You thought wrong, Lin only 6 min in the 2nd half, he needs no breather.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! That hurt. LOL!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    That’s why I say that you have tunnel vision. You don’t look at the team and you just look at Lin.
    The teams execute a strategy.for all their players. They sent in not just one play; but a strategy for all players on the court, How the h*** can Lin know what Clifford told Jefferson and Kemba Walker?

    These 2 coaches are not scrubs like BS.

  • Hope

    With all that pounding, yeah he looked tired.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Again something’s wrong with your brain, if using your logic. Lin is still blamed for the 10-2 from the Mavs after he’s benched. Why not add the turnover too? SMH.

  • TTNN

    uh, it is a factor, otherwise, that group could play another 2-3 min then the starter don’t need to come back……

    It is a bit strange that Clifford bring back the starters with 19 point lead, maybe coach just want to give starter some minutes, as they were all played only ~24 min. But there was a 10-2 run from Mav, then coach have to send Batum in again.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He looks tired after 6 min of intense? If that’s the case, Haters have been right about Lin. You must also be a stereotypes to think he needs a breather. You know Asian too slow, to weak, chin in armor?

  • Rick Johnson

    Or if they touch it their hands would get so slippery and won’t be able to hold on to a basket ball.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    6 mins of intense and Lin needs a breather this early of the season? How many minutes do you think he can handle in playoff?

    NONSENSE!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If that’s the factor then we should agree Lin is on a short leash…..again.

  • Hope

    Hold your horse there. Don’t run wild. Let’s just end there.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Yeah, Kemba and Jefferson could run out of the clock with a big lead and get the team a victory. Kemba-Jefferson and Hawes-Lin are playing with a different style of basketball. Whatever works best for the team against the opposition is what they coach should use.

    Coach Clifford has put emphasis on connected pairs/groups. Kemba is paired with Jefferson just as Lin is paired with Hawes. Zeller and Marvin Williams would play with both.

  • JoeTeam

    hmmm, love it.

  • GoodDayLA

    I would say Curry is a star and Iggy is the bench warmer now. More fun to be Harden fan or even Lillard fan than Iggy fan, NBA title or not.

  • Chopz

    And one more thing i have to say about that play with devin harris and jeremy lin – i’m proud of our boy jeremy lin on that play because it could have went badly in 3 ways. 1 – ball could have gotten stolen, 2 – jeremy could have been forced to pick up his dribble and just stop, or 3 – he was forced to pass out of that. Lin did none of that. He said u wanna embarass me and take my basketball from me? Try it! Lets go go mano a mano, im gonna go from one side before the mavs logo at half court, take u to the other side of logo and u can’t do nothing to stop me. Foul – u reach, i teach. Alpha as they come baby, thats our boy.

  • JoeTeam

    Love it proves my pt below.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Kemba & Jefferson might not work well against the Spurs and other teams. Coaches look for the best fit for the team against the opposition.

  • JoeTeam

    Iggy rewarded his fans in the playoffs last year. He did great.

  • CJSHYY

    I guess they just wanted Al to past 30 pts that’s why he’s back. It’s so obviously it’s his show last night.

    Lin didn’t look upset for such short playing time…So I guess they probably talked to him before the game about it.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Lin really did good bc he looked great vs Harris. He’s not that guy vs Heat during Linsanity anymore. He can handle the pressure now. So glad he made it.

  • Chopz

    Yep. 17 points against heat too. Nobody talking about linsanity being dead in that game.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Whenever the Hornets has a big lead and the Hornets wants to save energy, they would give the ball to Kemba and Jefferson to run out of the time left for the game. In this occasion, Lin will sit on the bench.

    If the Hornets is behind by more than double digits, Jefferson would sit on the bench and Lin will most likely be on the court.

    Nobody should have a problem with this.

  • Bo nicely posted 1 reason why Devin Harris might’ve gone crazy in defending Lin

    That’s 1 big boy block by JLin in Dec 2014
    https://twitter.com/bolero2010/status/662776875073142784

  • orLinaryjoe

    Doubt Hornets will have huge lead against Spurs. Let’s see…

  • Lx

    Oh sorry, I dont know. D:

  • CJSHYY

    Saw from Hornets IG to show they practice how to pass the ball for tomorrow’s game… I guess they will play team ball tomorrow.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Nobody could forsee that Hornets could have huge lead over the Bulls that had just beaten the Cavaliers.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Hawes passes were so unreliable!

  • Lam

    “When you’re ahead late and you can post the ball, it’s a great advantage,” Clifford said following a 108-94 road victory over the Dallas Mavericks. “It takes time off the clock and your floor balance is always set. So whether he makes or misses, there’s usually not going to be a long rebound and you’re in spaces where you should be able to get back” on defence. “It’s part of the NBA that is kind of going away, but if you have a post-up guy and you’re up 6-8-10 late, it makes it hard to come back.”

  • GoodDayLA

    It is just a big cultural divide. Nothing we can do about it. Thanks for trying.

  • kjch

    I missed the game yesterday.. Just watched the highlights. Still blows my mind how some refs can be so biased against Lin. Surely the NBA have realised that it is in their economic interest for Lin to do well?……. Lol

  • GoodDayLA

    I realize Lin’s trainer may study footwork less than we do here. I’ve been watching CP3 for years now. While I don’t like CP3 personality, he is very good at footwork and advanced moves as well. Has fundamentals AND flash.

    When Lin caught the ball on travel, he should have planted the right foot and spun forward towards his left. Immediately he is in triple threat and can get in crouch position like he likes and absorb Harris push and then push back with his head.

    Instead he caught ball with right foot but momentum going backwards by trying to face up without the spin so his right foot could not absorb impact and had to shift backwards.

    these types of split second decisions and ability to avoid mistakes are what separate the good from great players.

  • GoodDayLA

    but what reward Iggy get? 10 MPG this season?

  • bolero

    actualy Sunny posted it here. I just retweet for everybody. credit goes to him.

  • JoeTeam

    He got a ring and the fame and cash that comes with it. Plus, he was lauded as the guy who turned it around, and I believe he was MVP for that game where they came out small first time. Can’t remember fully. So Iggy is doing fine and he’s older and he’ll be there when it’s time again. But, sure, cringe when he goes for the 3 on any given night.

  • JoeTeam

    ‘ability to handle pressure’ … Kap just told that to the press to debunk the noise around his benching. 28 sacks and it’s all Kap’s fault.

  • JoeTeam

    yes sir! (just bcuz Brent is busy)

  • Phillycheese

    Don’t bring the XOF crap here please.

  • thanks for giving some colour to the stats. it sounds like lin sealed the win for the hornets by pushing the lead to 19 as the leader of the second unit

  • KL

    I’ve been following the debate here with some interest. I guess there is little that we can do except wait for the next game.

    I still remember the game when Lin first got benched. It was against the Trail Blazers and Kelvin Sampson benched Lin for Toney Douglas due to “better defensive matchup”. They lost that game. One of many things that the Rockets did to sink Lin’s career.

    Yet here Lin is. Still productive and effective. He still has that aura about him. In the same stretch I have seen many NBA careers wilt with less prejudice.

    I do not subscribe to any extreme view of Clifford (yet). He may not think that highly of Lin. He has already benched Lin for players who are taller (Hairston) or players who are shooting well (Lamb). Yet I think he appreciates Lin to a large extent.

    Lin already achieved wonders despite 2 coaches that really wanted him to fail (embarassed by Linsanity McHale and Kobe coddler Scott).

    It is up to Lin now to improve his standing on the team and in the league. I believe he can do it. I really do.

  • K. P. Chan

    Thank you, Kitty!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    This game is hard to forget

    (1) the verbal exchange between Clifford and Jefferson (Don’t know what is it about.)

    (2) Delvin Harris tried to rough up Jeremy. Jeremy received a traveling call. Jeremy later makes his payback (he stole Delvin Harris pass) and passed to Cody Zeller who got a flagrant 1 foul from Deron Williams. The heat went up. Carlisle wisely subbed out Delvin Harris. Jeremy made a drive and got a and-1 call and he finished with the 3 points play. Then Mavericks made a TO caused by Cody Zeller. Jeremy Lamb made a 3 point shot; the largest lead of the game 93-69 (24 points lead). Then Jeremy turned the ball over by a steal from Chandler Parsons. Barea made a 3 point shot. Coach Clifford decided to step in and sent Jeremy to the bench.

    This would probably answer why Jeremy didn’t finish the game. Jeremy and the 2nd unit after the Delvin Harris incident made a pay back to the Mavericks with the largest lead. Then Hawes and Jeremy started losing concentration of the game. Hawes fouled Dirk and gave up 2 FTs. Jeremy made a bad pass and the ball was stolen by Parson which resulted in a 3 pointer made by Barea .

    With 7:46 minutes left, coach Clifford pulled Lin and Hawes out for good and sent in Kemba and Jefferson. This is a clear message that coaches didn’t want any problems besides taking the ring and the win.

  • Brent Yen

    Lin has one of the best footworks in the league….This is not really something worthy talking about at all

  • Rick Johnson

    Looks like they are selling out of Lin jerseys, only XL & XXL left.

    https://twitter.com/Librafree/status/662954930466979840?s=09

  • jlim7

    I agree. TO between Lin and Hawes seems already addressed (maybe video evaluation) and should not happen anymore. So when it happened again, both were taken out.

  • Maknusia

    agreed!

  • Maknusia

    Agreed as well

  • Maknusia

    lol…Lin would have forgotten by now…..Devin carries over I guess…thanks for bringing it up

  • Maknusia

    totally!

  • Maknusia

    Nice…@brentyen:disqus have you got one?!!

  • Maknusia

    will know when the game starts! 🙂

  • Maknusia

    this is personal foul drawn

  • sport

    Except Lin also got a phantom travel call right after the other player fouled him. Really wonder if that call was correct or just home refs being bias.

  • Maknusia

    there is only that much minutes for the rotations…unless a second unit player continue to prove with whatever minutes he is thrown at, and be productive, thats where minutes grow

  • Maknusia

    moving to amazon?

  • Dorothy

    I just realized PBev contract with Houston signed this past off season was 4 years for 25M. Lin’s contract with Houston signed at his prime market value was 3 years for 25M and JR Smith called it ridiculous. What is wrong with NBA??? BTW, PBev did not play last night due to concussion.

  • Maknusia

    lol…ditto…i had been voting for 21pts…. i still trust Lin can produce, he is not in a toxic environment, obviously any new job, adjustment needed and it takes time

  • Maknusia

    yup, if Hornets enter the final, you get a free ticket, seat of your choice!

  • Maknusia

    hmmm…if you are blocked…you wouldnt have been able to post the above right?

  • Wayne Li

    Seems Linsanity was long ago and became a distant memeroy. Devin Harris vs JLin way back. It was JLin’s first NBA game as PG starter against UTAH. BigAL was Devin’s teammates and Devin was PG. JLin ran over him with 28/8.

  • Maknusia

    sorry whats XOF?

  • Maknusia

    that was indeed a travel…but generally no one calls it….unfortunately,..Refs…might have something going on that night…who knows…but then still a travel

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No one can improve his standing on the team and the league with 17 min of playtime, down from an average of 25 mpg.

  • Maknusia

    lol…that was a travel indeed…many had explained below….but generally Refs dont call it

  • Chopz

    Yeah, but call the foul moments before that when lin was trying to get free. The travel calls lebron james, harden, and others get away with are ridiculous and they call that wack call while lin is being hacked trying to get free.

  • Chopz

    Jealousy.

    Back from 2012:

    J.R. Smith ‘Without A Doubt’ Thinks Jeremy Lin Contract Could Be Locker Room Issue

    “I’m sure the city would love to have him back, but the team decided to go in a different direction,” Smith said. “It’s nothing personal, I don’t think, just business. We just hope everybody can benefit from here.

    “I don’t really know how Mr. Dolan feels at this point with what the luxury tax is now and what it used to be, but I just hope it works out the best for both of them.”

    Asked if Lin’s contract could cause a challenging dynamic with his teammates, Smith agreed.

    “Without a doubt,” he said. “I think some guys take it personal, because they’ve been doing it longer and haven’t received any reward for it yet. I think it’s a tough subject to touch on for a lot of guys.”

  • Maknusia

    true…not arguing on that one 🙂

  • Chopz

    It was unspoken code in the nba that you never talked about a fellow players contract when he got paid. But melo and jr smith could’t help but hate. Melo called lins contract ridiculous but he’s making $25 mil per year for 5 years and can’t even get to playoffs or out of first round. Thats what you call “ridiculous”.

  • Dorothy

    Yep, my bad, it was Melo calling it ridiculous. If PBEV worth 25M for 4 years before the new TV deal, then Lin’s 25M for 3 years was actually darn cheap. SMH

  • webattorney

    As good as CP3 is, he looked down right average compared to Curry’s abilities. In-Curry-dible.

  • webattorney

    Spurs should beat Hornets by at least 10 points.

  • webattorney

    Jealousy at least. He should be getting even more upset at his teammate Thompson’s near maximum contract. Like bullies, you tend to pick on someone you can get away. If he said that about Thompson, Thompson would be right at his face.

  • Brent Yen

    He got a foul….I guess….and a TOV…LOL

  • Brent Yen

    Let’s hope Hornets can win

  • Maknusia

    Curry is on a Superman mode…lol…double-double seems to be so easy

  • Brent Yen

    Still thinking, maybe waiting for Lin getting his 30 mins per game..LOL

  • Maknusia

    lol…I was just looking at Lin’s shoe couple of hours ago….was thinking of you…..saw the above post…just couldnt resist! At least JLin is being featured in Taiwan…unlike HK

  • Chopz

    Devin harris, raymond felton, and deron williams were all schooled by jeremy lin before, and badly at that. Devin and utah got lit up for 28 n 8 by jeremy during his first start. Felton got lit up everytime lin played against him and the knicks. And deron got lit up during the start of linsanity, the birth of it all. Thats why they were celebrating during that foul. A little insecurity i take it fellas? Keep drinking that haterade.

  • Brent Yen

    I have got his shoe tho..but it is purple and gold..LOL

  • webattorney

    I am hoping Hornets can win, but I am expecting Spurs to beat Hornets handily.

  • TTNN

    I’m not sure CP3’s foot work could help when you were bumped mid air……

  • KL

    I think he will get more than 17 min per game on average. I will wait for non blowout games before passing judgment.

  • kjch

    Hope either way, Lin has a great game. Think he usually does well against the Spurs

  • Brent Yen

    LOL….to some Chinese ancient martial artist, it may….

  • CJSHYY

    Looks like Kobe is going to retired…

    https://twitter.com/shahanLA/status/662845046576820224

  • CJSHYY

    That’s true but not sure how many min he will be on court?

  • webattorney

    20 minutes.

  • CJSHYY

    What made you think so?

  • Brent Yen

    I think Weba was trying to be positive, he probably was thinking 16 mins…LOL

  • webattorney

    That’s what he has been getting for the last 2 games after Lamb returned.

  • webattorney

    Yes, 18 to 20 minutes to be more accurate.

  • CJSHYY

    But the last 2 games were blowout games… I think if they only will give Lin that less playing time, Lin will not stay next year.

  • webattorney

    I don’t think that was the reason. I think Lin will play slightly more ONLY IF the game is kinda close. I think Lin likes Charlotte, so I think he will stay if a contract is decent.

  • CJSHYY

    So what’s the reason Lin played so less in the past 2 games?

  • Dorothy

    Don’t care about him at all. The time I watch Lakers game is when i want to see them fail miserably. lol

  • grover chang

    My assessment before the season when line ups were named was similar to your thoughts. I use the 1990s Dallas Cowboys as an example. Michael Irvin, their star receiver, said the Cowboys would use the passing game to run the score up. Once they had the lead, they focused the running the game with Emmitt Smith to run the clock out. That is how I saw the starting unit and the second unit, running game and passing game respectively.

  • kjch

    Lin will play 25 minutes coz it’ll be a close one~ lol

  • webattorney

    Kobe will be known as a lesser version of MJ, which is not bad.

  • CJSHYY

    From the way Kobe talked… he thinks himself is next to MJ to me.

  • webattorney

    Because Hornets players played well, so they didn’t need to put Lin in there to WIN. If Lamb and others play well, they will get more PT.

  • Maknusia

    wonder if it was another blowout game with Lin getting 15mins…what happens?!….melt down?!…lol
    As long as Lin’s team wins…I’m fine….will be happy as Lin is 😉

  • CJSHYY

    I agree. So it back to Lin is not long team contract player yet that’s why he is second option now? If Hornets is really think so then Lin will not be happy….

  • Brent Yen

    I will just pretend I have not seen those melt downs…if that happens AGAIN

  • Maknusia

    im giving up my moderation job! and enjoy the weather here

  • webattorney

    Hornets still would want to keep the guy. Who wouldn’t want to keep Lin on their team? It’s the contract amount. If it’s decent, Lin will stay.

    I did not say what you just said. I think Hornets already have a group they want to keep, and they are not thinking about Lin’s contract now when the season is beginning. This is something they will think about ONLY when the season has ended UNLESS Lin plays out of his mind, in which case, Hornets would approach Lin for an extension. Their core group is: Kemba, Batum, Frank, Zeller and Lamb. Don’t know about others.

  • Brent Yen

    LOL com’on….you are the cornerstone here….can not do this without you! lOL

  • CJSHYY

    I think they want to keep Lin. Just check their web… Huge Lin’s picture w the interview was on for more than week … If they don’t consider his long term plan w Hornets why needs to do that?

  • Brent Yen

    because their weba master is lazy? lol

  • CJSHYY

    They update daily…

  • BobbyH

    Politics and business and change overnight. I won’t keep the expectation. Besides the landscape of NBA could change in favors of Lin the coming year (ONLY if Lin deliver ) and I hope he can find team that really really utilize his talents fully.

  • Dorothy

    I am sure they want to keep Lin as Kemba’s back up. Whether Lin is willing, we will have to wait and see. Before Rockets and Lakers, i would say there was no chance Lin willing to back up a weak PG on a weak team, but after all the “stuffs” Lin experienced, he may be willing just to stay at CHA if he gets alone with teammates, GM, coach, FO. But hope he realizes teammates, GM, coach may leave at anytime.

  • LW

    I think Hornets have a chance to win simply because they have 2 1st teams.

  • Dorothy

    I agree with everything you said, except (only if Lin IS ALLOWED to deliver)

  • Maknusia

    lol….cornerstone?…no way…thats you…i will play my roll even though last in the bench…in fact im taking DNP till end of the month due to travel…in your hometown now! lol

  • CJSHYY

    This interview is about Lin to stay in Hornets so I think they are still hoping he can stay…

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/
    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/659836534577729536

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think Zeller is one of the core group….agree with others…

  • CJSHYY
  • CJSHYY

    Why no Zeller? They just signed the extension w him, right?

  • Dorothy

    Could someone good with Youtube videos, please start collecting Lin’s phantom fouls and no call footage and maybe after say 25 games post it on Youtube? If we can circulate that and have several million clicks in a short period of time( like the one about Harden’s poor defense video), I think it will make some noise among NBA officials and help Lin being treated more fairly. Thanks in advance.

  • heart

    Kobe is full of himself.

  • Dorothy

    Lin’s shoes? Is there any place to buy (even though they slipped lol )?

  • Maknusia

    Adidas Store 😉

  • kjch

    Good idea~

  • Dorothy

    Did not see the ones he wore for Hornets games.

  • Brent Yen

    He will be always one of the 1st guy on the trading block when they see the chance…JMO

  • CJSHYY

    What about MW? He plays well & coach likes him?

  • Brent Yen

    Let’s just say he is more like Lin….serviceable…for now…

  • heart

    You seem to be always so cool w/everything. Want to let you know, that I appreciate your gentle correction on the Lin’s ‘confidence’ issue w/PFV on twitter. Read your twitter convo w/ him and he seemed to back down.

  • Brent Yen

    thanks! we all want Lin to success…

  • guest

    Jeremy’s game time hairstyle not only looks very good it also provides protection that opponents couldn’t pull his hair or smack his head bcuz the gel makes it sharp and greasy to hold…hahaha

  • Dorothy

    The point is to have huge clicks within a short period of time. This will make NBA officials turn head.

  • Dorothy

    great point, never thought about that. After you mention it, i do feel he got hit less on his head this season so far LOL

  • BobbyH

    We need an army and game plan to do that because it is very time consuming. Given that you have the software and hardware, you need to spend time and iterate thru the questioning frames and edit them.

    I am more of a computer savvy but i am new to movie editing. I have iMovie software on a Mac but not sure that’s enough for doing the editing. I can learn if someone cares to give me some tips. And again we need to divide and conquer.

  • BobbyH

    Another thought, We can also focus on some refs that have history of being unfriendly towards Lin and show how their calls are terrible not just on Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    Feel the same way. Lin’s new hair style do look good to me now. LOL!

  • Brent Yen

    The problem of such video is that we do not have access to the multi angle feed…it might just backfire…..if those are to put online…LOL

  • BobbyH

    You got a good point. That’s why we need to have an army and a plan to carefully select the frames that show the obvious. It is a big project for sure.

  • spiderman

    someone said “hair don’t lie”

    we’re so used to all the cheap shots to the head (and non-calls)

  • bolero

    don’t rock the boat..might cause negativity than helping Lin..

  • Dorothy

    I hear you, so we need to think through this.
    Guys/Gals: We need your wise opinions.

  • heart

    Yep. That goes to show how everything can work out for his good w/o knowing or realizing it at first, for Lin and Lin fans too.

  • Guest

    You can email Psalm234. Think the email is jlinportal@gmail.com something. Not sure though.

  • Curious

    I think this is a great idea to ‘name and shame’ dodgy referees rather than concentrating on Jeremy. Lin’s fans have quite a reputation (for being whiny), so Lin-sentric video would make little impact even with 5 million views.

  • heart

    And notice the commentators who are not Lin fans usually hate it, i.e. Neil Funk & Dominique Wilkins. They put down his new hairstyle in the first game vs. Hawks.

  • orLinaryjoe

    I know it is unfair, but I feel Lin has to play at another level each time he is out there. By that, he needs play like he about to be cut, not just what he think is expected of him. He can be happy and love his team,… but his job and future is riding on it.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Always thought the new hair gives him a visual attitude, height, and hopefully gets him into an aggressive competitive mentality.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin played well vs Mav unlike game 2 & 3. They just didn’t give him enough min to perform….

  • orLinaryjoe

    Can you imagine what they would’ve said about mushroom head, or the moe stooges hair, lol?

  • orLinaryjoe

    He did play well, but his opportunity to shine gets reduced more and more. If it is not apparent or impactful to others then it doesn’t matter.

  • heart

    Yep. They want to make fun of him and they would if they think they can get away w/it.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Yes, jokes about mohawk don’t have the same effect.

  • cdblue10

    Spurs is an elite team,If he won’t play for around 22-25mins today,I’ll start to believe that Hornets sell him a lemon.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lips don’t lie? Another poster?

  • orLinaryjoe

    How about suggestion to those who already make yt videos by asking under the comments section. Like Christine?

  • Brent Yen

    just had some lemon juice

  • CJSHYY

    Who cares about these old guys…? LOL!

  • cdblue10

    Share some I got some pastries here

  • Brent Yen

    i am eating some right now actually LOL

  • cdblue10

    What time is in your area right now?

  • Brent Yen

    1:04 AM

  • cdblue10

    Gees you need to get some sleep for the game tonite

  • Alain Gervais

    Go to sleep now wake up in time for the game. It must suck when Lin plays bad and you have the whole day to think about it

  • CJSHYY

    He’s in Taiwan so it will be his day time.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Taiwan?

  • Brent Yen

    Yes Sir!

  • Lx

    Lol.. every time Lin has played against the spurs his team always beat them. The spurs are going to take another lost today.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Deductive reasoning with smartphone support.

  • cdblue10

    I know he is,I always do my midnight snack too just tinkering sometimes it’s better eating alone and enjoying the quietness of the night

  • CJSHYY

    Coach wants to win so he needs Lin. I am sure Spurs wants to get this one too bc they just lose to Wizards.

  • yes, thanks to @Sunny:disqus and you for sharing it
    It put things in perspective with this personal grudges

  • cdblue10

    The Spurs bigs are the problems for the Hornets on this game.I expect Leonard to guard Lin tonite.

  • Acbc

    Haha, sorry JT, you’re “yes sir” just doesn’t measure up to captain Brent’s. Lol, It takes a lot of hard work to get one out of him you know.

    Hope all is well with you. I see you lurking about in the posts. We’ve got some really high maintenance new members that keeps dragging the board down. Se la vie! I’m at verge of maybe signing off for a while to recharge from the negativity. I just like the classic “yes” song…”I’ll be round about”

  • I hope Leonard will guard a hot-shooting Lamb
    That way, JLin can wreak havoc inside with his penetration

  • cdblue10

    I hope Pop will do that,let Lin go against Mill or Parker

  • new Spurs game thread is open early
    http://www.jlinportal.com/g6-cha-sas-game-thread/

    After 2 blowouts in which Jeremy Lin only played 19 min and 17 min, how many minutes do we expect him to play against the mighty Spurs?

    Hornets have been practicing their passing so it’s a good indication that the playmakers (Kemba/Lin/Batum) would be needed down the stretch in 4th quarter to have any chance against the disciplined Spurs.

    Let’s keep hoping JLin find comfort in his game as in preseason form to play loose and make his shots. It will be needed against the Spurs who he had played very well in many games

    Let’s persevere to hope/pray/wish/support JLin to stay healthy and have fun to play his aggressive game whenever he steps on the court

    Let’s go, JLin!

  • Lin can neutralize Parker; I hope Clifford knows that in the 4th quarter
    But I wonder if Lin will get the Manu assignment

  • heart

    Yep. If Lin gets minutes and is allowed to do his thing…on court, of course.

  • CJSHYY

    I think 2nd unit is their target tonight.

  • BobbyH

    Yep. so true.

  • adele

    He needs to follow the coach. All the stars are healthy. He can’t do his own thing except to just make the most of what the coach tells him to do.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Coach’s orders are a condition. What he does with it under those conditions is another. The results is the most important.

  • adele

    The only stars in this team in the minds of the coaches and front office is Kemba, Al, Batum and they are developing Lamb. The others are just contributors. We just pray for Lin to be healthy and hopefully a miracle for another Linsanity

  • adele

    And the coaches limits his style of play. Lin is very smart but very obedient also.

  • Acbc

    You talking about food again! I’m getting hungry.

  • Hope

    Let’s go jlin. Still waiting for that 25&10.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I was just checking Lin stats “Per 36” and I’m totally shocked that it’s at about 18.6ppg and 5.5ast…Am i reading it correctly??. If so, those are fantastic numbers, specially when you take into account the fact that he’s not even shooting that well “yet”.

  • devin23

    backup backcourt>>>>starting backcourt for charlotte

  • sport

    Except his average average PPG is only 11.6 right now. Most people don’t look at per 36 just the overall average for the season. Compare that to all start like Stephen Curry who’s average 35. 5 for the season, Lin is not even half of that which is sad.

  • heart

    Me too. Hopefully soon.

  • JoeTeam

    Me I’m not sore. I’m just a little detached from the drama. I’m still a part of this community, in a supportive way. I think I’ll watch some good JLin mins tonight given it’s Saturday and Timmie Duncan! Stick around, just be detached from the drama. I’d enjoy your company by and by or all the time as you like.

  • JoeTeam

    It might be fun for 2 yrs. to see billions of insects. But no, I won’t be working for Amazon lol.

  • webattorney

    Sad to say my prediction of 17 minutes of PT and 8 points came true. Also, Spurs win by more than 10.

  • adele

    I am just trying to make sense why its hard for the coaches and the management to see who is a much better player. Why can’t they see what we see or they refuse to see the great player they have and manage to marginalize him. Sad.