G27 CHA @HOU Notes & Observations

The Hornets lost the game 95-102 over the Rockets because they shot poorly (34.9%).

  • JLin finished with 13pts/5asts. Unusually he missed 2 late FTs to make it 2pt game with 17 seconds left (93-97). Fatigue might be a factor here since JLin played the last 20 min straight without rest.
  • But overall, he played quite well although not in rhythm due to early foul trouble. He managed to get Dwight Howard fouled out. But the whole Hornets team just didn’t shoot well tonight.
  • Jeremy had 3 quick fouls in 3 min in the 1st half. Interestingly, Clint Capella also got 3 quick fouls in 3 min. Harden 36pts and TJones 17pts carried the game for the Rockets.

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MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 28 vs BOS
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOL. First but didn’t really watch the game as had little desire to witness king flop and bad refs. I would become so frustrated for so long.

  • Chopz

    Third

  • CaliUSMC

    Worst

  • blubell
  • blubell
  • CaliUSMC

    I think it was Lin’s right hand. Even then too tough to call.

  • Yup, Rockets + ref won the game

    Harden 16-19 FT is made possible by the refs

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Oops!

  • DX

    This guy always said what I want to.

  • blubell
  • occupatio

    Most salient pt about the game was that harden had 5 fouls in the fourth quarter, and he is guarding Lin, but Lin barely touches the ball in this quarter. Cliff should make a point about swinging ball to Lin, but instead the ball is in Kemba’s hands then swings to Batum and not much else besides that.

    Rockets were trapping side PnR when Lin attempted it, but that led to swing-around-the-arc resulting to open threes in the corner. Better yet, it should be four out with Lin in high PnR. Or, swing to him to weak side.

    Seems like just an obvious coaching blunder to not try to attack Harden when he has 5 fouls. Especially since Howard fouled out of the game and their interior defense is weaker than usual.

    Lin missed key FTs at the end, but the game isnt decide by the last minute. It shouldnt have even come to that.

  • Chopz

    Was watching the rockets feed to see what the haters and drexler were saying this game since i haven’t listened to them in years.

    They were ripping him like usual til the 4th quarter, and then towards the end of the 4th, were complimenting him on having a good game.

  • golfhacker

    Ref is non-white.

  • blubell
  • occupatio

    lin’s nipples fouled harden through the jersey. what else could it be.

  • Sophie Paris

    Awful game. Awful refs. Like usual with Rox

  • blubell
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Once JLin was out of the game in playing 2:40 because of 3 fouls, I became to lose my interest to watch the game few minutes into the game, glanced the game from time to time. Just looking at the stat, seem like Kemba, Batum, Hairston and even Lamb had bad shooting night. Surprise they only lost so few points.

  • Lin Win

    Hornets team record with 41 3 point attempts but only made 12.

    Why was the game plan hitting 3s?

  • rookie75094

    Cliff better start thinking about letting Jlin play pg … if not , a losing streak is coming.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    refs killed us again. those harden flops early killed all chance of a win. bench force one w/o lin is bench force none…

    yes he missed those ft’s late, but the game was over by then. the killer was the 5-0 run after they tied it up. if lin had played more minutes earlier, this game wouldve been ours… sigh…..

  • KL

    There is no excuse for missing 2 FTs in the clutch. However it happens to everyone, (even the great Michael Jordan). On the positive side, Lin’s play in the 4th quarter was overall good and he gave the Hornets the chance to catch up in the first place.

  • CaliUSMC

    I think Kemba’s stupid pass at the 1:00 mark in the 4th was a big game changer than Lin’s missed FT’s. I swear this dude always has a huge TO during crunch time.

  • Chopz

    Lin locked harden down on like 4 of 5 possesions. When lin fell was his only real score, and that foul call wasn’t even a foul.

    And right after Lin fell, he came right down the court and smoked harden to the hoop for a score, love it.

  • blubell
  • Lin Win

    4 losses in the last 5 games guys!
    Team better step up soon.

  • Chopz

    Like i said earlier, he went right back coast to coast and scored 2 pts right after that, its a wash. Kemba and zeller lost the game, not lin.

  • tom

    Lin somehow still played more mins than Lamb Lol
    Im happy lins 13-5 today was a good day

  • Lin Win

    This picture sums up this game

  • blubell
  • It’s really too bad 🙁
    The refs help on Harden is just too much

  • blubell
  • KL

    They are out of the playoffs seeding in the East. I think teams see the Hornets as a strong team and are not falling asleep on them any more. Hopefully this can spur some real change for good.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    is it just me or do you notice EVERY 3rd quarter starts with us chucking 3’s? wth? that’s why 3rd quarter is our worst quarter, too much chucking….

  • blubell
  • tom

    I love how Harden was the first one to hug Lin and Dmo pushed Jones to go shake Lins hand lol
    Good moments

  • Alain Gervais

    lins play in the fourth was ?? good??. if i ever heard in understatement

  • KL

    I agree that his mental attitude was great in coming right back after the missed free throws. That is the attitude of a real fighter. Still those 2 free throws plus the coast to coast would have been even better. Haha tiger fan I am.

  • Lin Win

    We are missing 2 starters so maybe when Al comes back something will change

  • james brown

    he’s ended up being the player to shoot the ball because opponent keep him free to shoot…maybe houston game plan.

  • John Focker

    Hairston 2-12 Walker 3-10 (4 TOs) Batum 3-11 but sure why not, let’s all blame Lin’s 2 missed FTs for we are the Tiger fans!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    zeller sucks. too soft. cant finish at the rim. al is necessary cuz zeller doesnt belong with the starters. hawes also is a give and take. he plays well when he plays within himself. when he calls his own number, things usually go bad…

  • james brown

    yes because Cliff needed players who can change the game!

  • Alain Gervais
  • tom

    I cant care less about those players I will just end up trashing them resulting in violating rule#1
    I just criticize Lin out of love lol

  • Lin Win

    That wasn’t the point.
    Guards shouldn’t miss both FTS!
    It’s really hard since you’ve calibrated your aim on the first miss.
    Every point in crunch time is far more important that what happens in the first half.

  • james brown

    lost today was a BOGUS..Ref won the game for houston!

  • Sophie Paris

    Hahaha true

  • james brown

    this is true ..but if you let KW rest, JLIN will be forced to Defend well!

  • Briiick

    KW dominated the ball during the last 5 minutes. Had he let Lin bring up the 50% of the ball, they could have won.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    they were playing the foul game at that point. he went coast to coast only because they didnt want to foul. if it was a 2 pt game he wouldnt have an open lane

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah. One change for certain is there will be less minutes going around for anyone on the bench…

  • John Focker

    MJ’s done it, Magic’s done it, so have Nash and Curry. Tiger fan much?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    If Cliff continues to be stubborn and used the same starters, really doesn’t care anymore about whether the team will go to playoffs anymore. My only desire is for JLin to stay healthy and play well. Otherwise, I will become very upset all the time.

  • Lin Win

    I don’t know how Kemba lifts his head up.

    He’s the franchise guard !
    14pts 3-10 2-6 6-6 6 ast 4TOs 41mins 41MINUTES

    but gets beaten by a “2million bench player” who racked up 3 fouls in 3 mins.

    Lin only played 19 mins and still had 3 less TOs 1 less ast WHILE SHOOTING better.

  • Briiick

    Well said.

  • Chopz

    “Bench force None” – love it.

    And everything u just said, yes. Your wisdom is infinite.

  • james brown

    NBA org Need to check this because something smell and its fishy?

  • John Focker

    Quoting real game stats is hardly trashing.

  • Lin Win

    Not Tiger fan. I know Lin can make those FTS! but this season he’s just not himself anymore.
    His FT missing was the most shocking thing to me.

  • james brown

    they are stooges…3 stooges!!!LOL

  • KL

    Good point.

  • Lin Win

    Yeah ! But i want Lin to get to the playoffs so we can at least watch 4 more games !

  • Chopz

    Shoulda woulda coulda. Like i said earlier, he went coast to coast for the 2 pt score after that so it evened out.

  • KHuang

    We can love Lin’s production but HATE his terrible free throw shooting!

  • Alain Gervais

    who’s a lot of 6. lol 666…6

  • james brown

    KW seems tired that’s why and cliff slow reaction and frustration killed the hornets chances with this game.

  • KHuang

    I’ll be a tiger fan.

    Lin’s shooting motion is UGLY to me.

    I’ve been critical of Lin’s high school girl’s shooting coach Doc Scheppler for the last 3 seasons.

    Lin needs a PRO shooting coach.

  • John Focker

    Dude it’s ONE game and you’re blowing it WAY out of proportions. I wish he would’ve made those FTs as much as you do, but truth is that it happens…to every guard.

    Lin’s 77.9% FT this season, only down 1.8% compared to career average 79.7%, and the season isn’t even half done.

  • LinMad
  • InfiniteWisdom

    we got lucky. if they fed howard like a smart team would, we wouldve been blown out. ffs gortat was unstoppable, so howard shouldve killed us…

    lin vs harden was fun to watch. too bad lin tripped and looked a fool and also the ticky tack foul was bs…

  • Lin Win

    Kemba should be averaging 35mins at most. Those minutes should be given to Lin and some other bench player.

  • blubell
  • Chopz

    666. Yes, he’s the number of the “least” : )

  • tom

    I dont think i can help myslef

  • KHuang

    Not shocking to me at all.

    Lin’s technique is corkscrewed from improper foot and hip placement.

  • james brown

    defense of zeller need to improve..off/def rebounds were soft

  • LinMad

    that’s exactly what I wrote here earlier lol, how does ref staring at Lin’s back make that call without Lin raising his hands up

  • KHuang

    Lin should be 85% and up.

    He’s a GREAT natural shooter who has terrible technique.

  • blubell
  • KL

    Ok one big positive tonight is that Clifford let Lin finish even when he had 3 fouls, 4 fouls, 5 fouls. Maybe there is some progress.

  • KHuang

    If Lin were PG, Zeller would be a high flying dunking manchild sort of like a modern day Shawn Kemp!

  • tom

    Agreed at least 80%
    and 44 FG% 37 3p%

  • Lin Win

    Lin is good at FTs.
    He has the potential to go up to 85%
    77.9% now but it keeps decreasing.

    It’s not one game! Lin misses a lot of FTs when the pressure is on.

  • John Focker

    I can agree with commenting on shooting form, that’s NOT being a tiger fan.

  • tom

    Cuz Harden flopped lol

  • Lin Win

    I don’t know what his shooting coach did to him. He needs to fire that coach and get another one.
    Lin’s shooting and FTs have gone scrub like.

  • Chopz

    Even larry, curly, and moe acknowledged lin did well in the 4th and kept them in the game.

  • james brown

    tonite..roberts can’t be trusted..so Cliff can only rely with Kemba..

    Game though lost can serve as eye opener with coaching staff.

  • Lin Win

    Dude….he played 19mins essentially. Of course Cliff is going to let him finish. Everyone was on 5fouls thanks to the refs

  • John Focker

    If it’s gonna be four boring Kembaball games or Batum TO-fest, then I could care less about them.

  • KHuang

    I am definitely a tiger fan when it comes to Lin’s free throw shooting.

    I’ve hated his ugly Trex jerky fling for years.

    Last season with the Lakers, the LA coaches forced Lin to turn his feet more to the left so that Lin could bend his knees better. The result was that superb shooting by Lin.

    The Hornets need to stop adoring Lin and START COACHING him on shooting!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    those technicals sure killed us late too…

  • golfhacker

    He’s just not strong enough.

  • blubell

    I was listening to the Rockets radio broadcast and they did acknowledged JLin’s defense on Harden but then also said he can only go right which the Rockets players should know because they practiced against him when he was a Rocket…smh.
    https://twitter.com/chrismcnyc/status/679149252145205249

  • CaliUSMC

    Look how nicely Lin squares up Harden on his first drive to the left. Harden backs up then dribbles behind the back to set himself up for another drive but gets stuck again. Then do you notice how he intentionally sticks his left leg out in the path of Jeremy’s feet? I used to this when I played picked up games to create space lol. Dirty Harden.

  • Lin Win

    What I’m surprised was why the Rockets didn’t pump Howard with post plays. Zeller nor Frank could stop Howard.

  • John Focker

    Where did you see Hornets “adoring” Lin? LOL

  • blubell

    I didn’t know technical foul is one of Oprah’s favorite things…

  • Briiick

    Lin used to be a 80% FT shooter. I think his change of shooting form has something to do with it. His FT will improve to his mean in a season of adjustment.

  • KHuang

    It’s simple.

    Doc Scheppler has Lin’s feet planted the wrong way.

    So when Lin bends,
    he awkwardly puts too much pressure on his right hip. That’s causing his back trouble too.

    A pro shooting coach would turn Lin’s feet to the left a bit more,
    thus allowing Lin to bend both his knees more equally instead of just his right leg at the hip.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yeah, he’d have better looks with lin. zeller belongs with bench force 1…

  • Chopz

    And lin fouled out howard but nobody wants to talk about that.

  • KL

    This game was exceptional perhaps but I think Lin is cementing his worth as a closer.

  • KHuang

    It’s not that.

    Walker and Batum DO NOT DEFEND, and it messes up the whole team.

  • blubell

    Of course its from Clutchfans… smh. They always do this to Jeremy. Don’t give them any clicks!

  • KHuang

    Ever since they started playing him the entire 4th quarter which has been most of the season!

  • CaliUSMC

    If someone can find another clip of this play. I’ll replace it. Just couldn’t find it anywhere else.

  • LinMad

    I remember when Zeller was on the bench and playing great with Lin. But Hornets fans were like, “Move Zeller to starting unit” and now we have this…

  • LinMad

    to dunk

  • KHuang

    It’s OK to trash players like Walker and Batum that stink up the game by playing no defense and isohogging.

  • LinMad

    Harden scored most of his points over Kemba’s head. I don’t know why coach did not adjust sooner. He put a 6’1 on a 6’5 player. Lin had the spikes so he was able to guard Harden pretty well.

  • james brown

    if hornet win, that can be raised , but no effect whatsoever because houston won..

  • John Focker

    This is what I call constructive criticism!

  • Chopz

    Why don’t they show the next play right after that where lin takes harden to the rack and scores 2, right back atcha baby.

    Or the other 3 plays before that where lin locks him down, and he has to pass like a lil sissy, and we know he hates to pass.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    did harden push off? the fall was weird… didnt notice the push live…

  • KHuang

    Typical PHANTOM FOUL against the Asian guy.

  • John Focker

    Well, they should adore him for his playmaking (whenever Clifford would allow him). IMO they don’t adore him enough in that regard.

  • KHuang

    Zeller and Frank are much better defensively than most people realize.

    They are big, athletic, and fundamentally sound.

  • John Focker

    Fair enough, I agree with KHuang that he should be at least at 85%. Heck, when with the Lakers he started around 90%, and then something happened.

  • Alain Gervais

    how do you break someone ankle and push them down. lin fell from the push

  • LinMad

    yes, it’s not even an ankle breaker. An ankle breaker is when there is no contact.

  • KHuang

    Lin deliberately fell to avoid the DIRTY REF calls that killed him all night.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    whats up with kemba and batum lately? they’re playing worse and worse… while lin playing better…. and what has lamb done to deserve so little minutes? do we need al back to normalize the rotation? last few games have been real bad….

  • KHuang

    Well, it isn’t as if the Rockets had ANY success stopping Lin tonight.

  • CaliUSMC

    If you pause it around 0:09-0:10. You can see that his mid foot caught Harden’s heel… which is why Lin fell to his right.

  • KHuang

    Brian Roberts would have been more effective than an increasingly selfish and useless bricklaying defenseless Walker.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lambs defense has been terrible. datum is very poor since coming back. Kemba is kemba i see no deference. his threes are back to normal also

  • Alain Gervais

    people really have a loose definition of break people ankle. anyways its harden. he dies that to everyone. Lin more then held his own. move on

  • KHuang

    Oh they adore his playmaking and winning.

    They’re just too afraid of Batum and Walker to bench those guys when they lose games.

  • leeda harun

    so hornets is falling to 9th spot.

  • CaliUSMC

    It was just a dirty play by him.

  • CaliUSMC

    Lol. True

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yeah, they need an athletic big in the worst way… of course psycho t is a foul machine so he doesnt play much…

  • LinMad

    all because coach doesn’t empower Lin the last 2 games. I don’t know how long will coach and Hornets FO allow Kemba/Batum to shoot so much at low FG%. Lin is better facilitator and scorer. He needs more touches and to run the offense.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    pj honestly did a great job on him.

  • KHuang

    They’re playing SCARED because they’re falling apart from refusing to run Clifford’s motion system.

    Those two are AFRAID that the motion system will take away their shots and touches.

    And then they compound the problem by playing no defense. They want to save energy for their bricks by not defending well.

  • KHuang

    They don’t show it because LIN GOT HIS.

  • Chopz

    A loss is a loss, but the positive i get from it is our boy Lin is feisty, score on me and i score on you.

    Try to run away with the game, i don’t think so, i’m scoring in the 4th and keeping us in it.

    Missesd two free throws, so what, right back coast to coast for 2 pts, we’re even baby.

    If i’m goin down i’m goin down swinging, thats our boy “Muhammad A-Lin”

  • Brent Yen

    Harden was really happy that he only need to guard Hairston…..i think…LOL

  • blubell
  • KHuang

    Lin’s bricked free throws were not why the game was lost.

    Batum and Walker shooting under 30% is why the Hornets lost.

  • sws94

    How many FTs did Harden shoot? So he fell? Lin played good solid D on Harden. Better than anyone else did on the team forcing Harden to pass the ball off many times.

  • tom

    Hairston is done had a couple of good shooting games
    went 2-12 tn he never came back after 3rd foul lol

  • KHuang

    Hairston shoots well when Lin is the point guard.

    The WHOLE TEAM shoots well when Lin is the point guard.

  • tom

    16 of 19 I think
    But You cant just put one guy on Harden gotta take turns guarding him
    only 6 fouls to give

  • KHuang

    Lin’s been kicking Walker’s butt in practices and games.

  • CJSHYY

    I think so.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    dat harden iso made the comeback possible. the beautiful lin assist to marv for the tie was great. then after that it was all downhill. no defense at all….

  • Chopz

    Good to see u here khuang, need me some good Lin allies. The force is strong with all us Lin fans on this forum, can’t nobody make us go to the darkside.

  • KHuang

    Actually, Lin on Harden was a GOOD strategy.

    It would have worked had Batum and Walker not stunk so horribly on offense due to being stupid selfish.

  • tom

    because Lin looks for open men lol unlike some people…
    I feel like the only times Kemba and batum pass are when he has no where to go lol

  • KHuang

    There are so many more Lin fans than there are Clutchfans or even Rockets fans!!!

  • CJSHYY
  • KHuang

    Kemba and Batum REFUSE to run Clifford’s offense.

    They are like two little bad Kobe Bryants.

  • tom

    Yah but you know Harden is gonna flop and refs are gonna call it
    Lin did a goodjob thou he knows Harden too well aafter playing with the man for 2 years

  • KHuang

    And yet Lin GOT HIS anyway.

  • leeda harun

    Ref is protecting their superstar…harden

  • KHuang

    At least Lin puts up a fight.

    Besides, Harden got LIT UP by Lin.

  • KHuang

    Without ref help, Harden would struggle to score in the teens.

  • tom

    Thats why he needs Lin in there lol
    nah calling them Kobe’s is an insult to kobe
    they are not as skilled, good role players at the very best

  • KHuang

    I’m THE BIGGEST KOBE HATER of all time (sorry Alain Gervais).

    Putting Lin in with those two scrubs doesn’t truly work when they’re refusing to pass to Lin and are bricking and turnovering.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    hornets are a jump shooting team. i hate to say it but we need al back. i cant take another kemba brick. at least al shoots close to the rim… limit his minutes and play the bench more minutes. add more lin pnr with zeller. more lin/lamb less lin/kemba.

  • tom

    Whatever it takes man
    was a good play by Harden though
    Lin got him right after

  • John Focker

    I LOVE YOU MAN! I hate Kobe too…

  • KHuang

    No, Al back would wreck the defense and make the iso play even worse.

    Also, Jefferson can no longer score in the post. Teams have caught onto his low efficiency below the rim game.

  • Chopz

    I definitely concur on this one. Pass off he did, many many times, i love it.

  • tom

    I hate Kobe too but I still respect him My generation grew up watching Kobe and AI lol

  • KHuang

    It’s not even about empowering Lin.

    It’s about holding Batum and Walker ACCOUNTABLE.

    Bad coaches do not hold star players accountable – and Clifford is managing Batum and Walker as poorly as any bad coach would.

    And yet I am completely happy with Clifford’s deployment of Lin.

    Clifford needs to bench Batum and Walker if they refuse to follow his instructions.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    what defense? the 1st unit sucks anyways. let zeller play with lin and then we’ll see his potential. hawes did fine when al was out, but we were best when hawes was dnp-cd and zeller was with BF1…

  • John Focker

    Last TWO games? More like 4 out of last 5 games.

  • KHuang

    I hate Kobe #1, Iverson #2.

    I have no patience for media hyped overrated superstars that shoot inefficiently, do criminal things off the court, play no defense (I never bought Kobe’s All Defense selections), and refuse to play winning teamball.

  • bolero

    true. but he pushed JLin too..

  • KHuang

    Al DNP-drug suspension is pretty good too.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    There are 3 major play makers for this team. As long as Nic and Kemba are off and Lin is in foul trouble, I am just too surprised that the game is still close.

  • John Focker

    Clifford did bench Walker in 4th quarter during one game, I’m guessing he might’ve gotten in trouble for it later, for he never did it again. If anything he kept Lin away in fourth quarter vs the Bulls (costing the game). There’s a chance Clifford’s not holding Walker/Batum accountable might have F/O handprints on it.

  • KHuang

    Damn near won the game.

    Had Batum and Walker not played as much, the Hornets would easily have won.

  • Chopz

    U know toronto was the peak of linsanity in 2012 when he hit that 3 on jose calderon to win the game, so maybe we have a start to another beautiful dream.

  • John Focker

    I find it hard to respect anyone throwing teammates under the bus, no matter what the accomplishments. MJ’s one of the most accomplished basketball players, and did not have to resort to that. Kobe’s just petty, selfish, insecure and small-minded.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i actually think when al plays, kemba is better. he doesnt shoot as much because al post up takes some of that away. the problem is that cliff has been playing kemba and batum with the bench and once that happens they start to chuck. less so with batum but kemba has to get his now that al sits down. if cliff would simply sit kemba with al and play the bench more minutes, we’d win a lot more games. the bench imo has higher bball iq players….

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin was in foul trouble and Clifford had to save Lin to close the game. Lamb didn’t make enough shot in 19+ minutes but he of course deserved his minutes since the other guards were even worse.

  • John Focker

    Awful game, but awesome rig! LOL

  • tom

    My era was iso long 2’s oh well we are brainwashed by the media
    Iverson is the GOAT for me I like him better than any one including MJ lol

  • tom

    But he did get 5 rings and its actually funny sometimes when he does that
    Don’t think AI ever done that

  • leeda harun

    A good progress…need to make free throws

  • blubell
  • GoJLin!

    Adding tonight’s 4-7; it become 76.5% down to 3.2%; Hope he bouncing back to his first 5 games percentage which is 95%!

  • blubell

    Highlights – short

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Walker and Batum didn’t have their game together. It’s their off night. Lin is the only bright spot on the backb court but the ref made sure Lin stay on the bench for the most part of the game.

  • leeda harun

    Thanks Blubell

  • NONONO

    Based on 27 games stats, Lin’s overall impact is #1 and NetRtg (net rating) is #2 in the team.
    The team perform the best when Kemba was off the court (NetRtg Off Court ) .

    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1

  • blubell
  • Dan Cohen

    hahahah and I was wondering how long lin’s hlighlight will be after that 3 fouls in 3 minutes.

  • blubell

    Longer versions will be available later 😛

  • blubell
  • John Focker

    Point is he would’ve gotten at least seven (eight with luck) had he not run people out of town.

    His work ethic is IMPECCABLE, his personality however, is anything but.

  • CJSHYY
  • InfiniteWisdom

    frank and lin need to play more together. once al comes back i think a lineup of lin, lamb, batum/marv, frank, zeller should play a lot of minutes and WRECK opposing teams. high iq, high energy, size and shooting… kemba if he’s not on, SIT HIM CLIFF!!!

  • MomentousPetey

    In regards to his free throws, he needs to go back to shooting it with a higher arch. Notice the trajectory of his release at the line does not look as smooth as it did before this season. Also, notice how elite ft shooters around the league have a good amount of arch on their release, Lin needs to go back to this form (for his free throws).

  • Brent Yen

    Lin is lowering his release point for more efficient shooting, THE FIRST thing that gets impacted will be his FT…Why? because you do not jump and turn for FTs…:P

  • MomentousPetey

    They need to replace Hawes with Hansbrough. Sure, he’ll hit a 3 once in a while, but thats about it….like Jordan Hill, but without a jumper….smh.

  • John Focker

    Minus politics ruining winnable games, Hornets should’ve been 23-4 (Heat, Spurs, GSW, ORL), second in the league.

    Instead they’re 15-12, politics cost them 8 Ws.

  • Alain Gervais

    well have to take it unfortunately until he gets used to the new release on his ft’s

  • FrankW

    Are the Rockets announcers better now with respect to Lin?

  • CJSHYY
  • NONONO

    If you look the stats on all Hornets winning games, the team won the most when Kemba is off the court AND Lin is on the court.
    I cannot believe Clifford would continue to let Kemba start and bench Lin for the rest of season!

    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/onoffcourt/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Outcome=W

  • John Focker

    Anyone who watches the Hornets game can tell the trend without aid from stats. It’s as clear as a California day.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You can’t send Harden to the line 19 times without being unfair bias. Game was already decided when they gave Lin the 3rd foul. NBA refs won not the Rockets.

  • John Focker

    The Clippers couldn’t agree more! LOL

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    True.

  • NONONO

    Many Hornets fans would prefer players’ points than team wins

  • John Focker

    Most fans aren’t basketball savvy. Long live the pyramid.

  • Phillycheese

    How can Batum be considered your best player and he doesn’t draw defensive responsibility to cover their best player, who just happens to play the same position? Even Kemba did an admirable job on Harden when he was on him. But Batum should hVe taken more of the responsibility guarding Harden.

  • JoeTeam

    same script for Rox years, so anyway, that’s life.

  • sws94

    The assist to Cody under the basket was even prettier. The only thing Lin did “wrong” was miss FTs.

  • JoeTeam

    because of fantasy that’s ruined sport.

  • JoeTeam

    is that so it’s faster?

  • CJSHYY
  • Phillycheese

    Out rebounded and points in the paint did the Hornets in. Rox turnovers kept this from being a blow out.

  • JoeTeam

    hey do you know what happened to Jun Liu’s Raptors highlights? thx in advance BB.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    This is a road game; what the heck!

  • blubell
  • InfiniteWisdom

    i reserve judgement until al is back. the rotations are all messed up due to al being out. now that lin and frank are playing better, i think things can stabilize. lamb and kemba regressed to the mean. batum we dont know if its him being sick or regressing as well. but i dont like him taking so many 3s recently. heck even pj s finally hitting some shots.

    i dont think we’re in trouble just yet. perhaps al being out had bigger unforeseen consequences than we thought. once he comes back then we’ll see what the team is like. lin’s better play should in theory give him more minutes. and al should in theory lower kemba and batum’s usage. things may work themselves out in the end…

  • kittyhead

    What’s the meaning?

  • blubell

    Unfortunately, it was taken down due to copyright. … it was really good with player intros.

  • Phillycheese

    19 free throws for Harden, are you serious?

  • John Focker

    Nothing new really, it’s been like this since Harden joined the Rox. His record is 25 FTAs in a single game in March 2015.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    batum’s defense is a sham. he’s being hidden on d with pj… go figure…

  • Brent Yen

    Well, less motion means less delay, means quicker release

  • Alain Gervais

    i remember that in one haif when lin was there

  • InfiniteWisdom

    homers gonna homer

  • JoeTeam

    It’s ok for me, whatever today. Lin played well, and CHA lost because of many reasons including JHard being able to cheat and get away with it. That fake trip was nuts.

  • rookie75094

    Time to replace kw with Jlin… there I said it

  • zxcvb

    Honestly, from a cynical viewpoint, it was still a good night for Lin.

    He got good stats in VERY limited minutes, and one game isn’t going to break Charlotte or save Houston. The transparently corrupt reffing this game was hilarious. Tim Donaghy is applauding from his sofa.

  • JoeTeam

    weird, do they have time limits on them ? The other ones are up.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    when lin shot FT’s the crowd booed. in the nba, that means respect…

  • stam

    LOL is that why they lost? You can’t beat the refs, it’s impossible.

  • John Focker

    And tonight’s Donaghy Award goes to….

  • Alain Gervais

    todays game felt like a playoff game

  • zxcvb

    The NBA was NOT letting Houston lose this game. They want them back over .500. West is a real turkey this year and Harden’s fame was dropping rapidly due to the Rox awfulness.

  • JoeTeam

    not me, I watched Rambisman.

  • zxcvb

    All three officials. I mean, at least make an effort to hide it a *little.* Charlotte never gets techs but they had 3 tonight, including Clifford. Something was clearly “going on” and they all knew it.

  • John Focker

    More like a rigged ripoff game. No wonder so many empty seats.

  • Briiick

    The league has been co-padding Harden’s stats to fabricate a stud in the rapidly fading SG position.

  • JoeTeam

    Lin foul trouble …

  • John Focker

    Game 2 in Clippers/Rox playoff series was SERIOUSLY rigged. Clippers would’ve swept the Rox.

  • Alain Gervais

    thats rox every game. fans barley there even in the playoffs. it was rigged . But i loved how rox and Charlotte seem to hate each other. Like charlotte was backing up lin that game in emotion. hopefully next time in play as well hint hint batum

  • blubell

    I’m not sure but I don’t think it was time limit issue. Maybe someone reported it… who knows.

  • JoeTeam

    Cliff had to move Lin off harden after JH got the fake foul where he raised his arms into Lin, but Lin was just standing with his arms up and wide open armpits. Refs were bad very bad.

  • rookie75094

    When is the next meeting?

  • JoeTeam

    heh heh, maybe that’s why Lin had so many options in the last 3 mins.

  • stam

    Lin could have gotten a lot more if it weren’t for the corrupt refs 🙁

  • zxcvb

    Did they hate each other? I honestly think they have no real feelings either way. They’re not really in competition with each other, with no playoff history either.

    I think the Hornets were just angry with the obviously crooked reffing tonight. And the Rox just really wanted the win to get over .500, which they keep failing at. The NBA needed this to be a Rox win. Houston and Harden have lost all respect and earning power of late.

  • JoeTeam

    this is the one, I see JLin in a vertical cylinder.

  • sws94

    Give huge respect to Steve Clifford.–PFV

  • John Focker

    The REAL question is: were these refs going after the Donaghy Award or the Joey Crawford Award? LOL

  • stam

    Batum refuses to pass to Lin (or just doesnt’ see him) unless it’s a last min bailout.

  • Alain Gervais

    march 12

  • InfiniteWisdom

    at least al is fat and hard to move. he’s not a bad rebounder. cody cant rebound to save his life…

  • John Focker

    I think Paul is smoking some really fine stuff!

  • JoeTeam

    he didn’t trip, Bev hipped him.

  • occupatio

    ‘there i said it’ means to say a truth that makes people uncomfortable to hear

  • Alain Gervais

    agreed still they were fighting hard and getting under each others skin

  • zxcvb

    His missed dunk was HUGE. People, even Lin fans, may blame Lin. But Cody, Kemba and Nic were atrocious. Lin did everything he could despite ref BS. Missed some FTs (bad) but shot 4-6 for 13p overall (great). 5:1 A/T ratio too.

  • stam

    Yeah, wish he gotten those in, but he was probably exhausted cause of poor min management. But he also fouled harden with his hair.

  • sws94

    No, not at all. Cliff is good for Lin. He’s trusting him in crucial spots.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    adidas paid the refs off….

  • sws94

    Lin scored 10 points in the 4th.

  • NONONO

    plus 4 assists

  • zxcvb

    Yeah, it was physical but I didn’t feel the animosity like LAC and GSW.

  • MomentousPetey

    Right, but obviously a player cannot shoot with the same release point every time in a game. Logically, the release point that he has changed in the offseason is probably meant to be used primarily for open jumpers.

    When taking contested jumpers the low release point would have a higher chance of being blocked(especially by a longer defender), in which case a higher release would be needed.

    I think I understand why he chose to modify his jumper release to a lower arch, as I believe he had mentioned during the offseason that he looked to lower the release in order to use less strength in his legs to ultimately conserve energy. Interestingly, Steph Curry is known for using very little strength in his legs even though he has a higher than average arch on his jumpers, but ofcourse his overall form is also different from Lin’s.

    Being able to fully integrate this modification into real games takes (effective) practice and time.

    For free throws though, imo, a higher release is generally better because a lower arch would make the shot too narrow(which requires more accuracy), so if it does hit the rim, it would either go in-and-out, straight back out, or bounce to the side. With a higher arch, if it hits the rim, there is a greater chance of it bouncing up straight, and going in.

  • blubell

    Mr. 4th Q 🙂

  • Alain Gervais

    yea i agree

  • sws94

    10 points in the 4th quarter. Some great assists, solid D, drew fouls. Frank was really the only other player who wasn’t bad, he was pretty good.

  • JoeTeam

    first half, no Lin. 2nd half, when he could reinsert Lin, he had Lin on Harden until Lin got the 5th foul. Then he had to take Lin off Harden. Cliff was handcuffed by the reffing.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    gotta say it was beautifully drawn play… zeller just too soft to finish hard…

  • JoeTeam

    no, remember the hook foul to give Harden 3 FTs?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    and that dmo flop took away another frank 3… he’s coming along nicely….

  • rookie75094

    So there will be payback….yeeeaaahhh.

  • zxcvb

    Tim Donaghy spilled the beans before. Some refs gamble on results through 3rd parties (can’t trace a ref’s friend making bets) and others receive special benefits for doing what the league wants (more competition, longer playoff series, more “stars”).

  • zxcvb

    Imagine if they played him like this from Game 1! 20-7 instead of 15-12.

  • rookie75094

    Only this time I want that white female ref….she is fair to Jlin.

  • sws94

    It’s stuff like having LIn on Harden in the 4th even with the fouls Lin had on him and how the refs were calling it. Having Lin in charge of the ball even when he messed up the closing the 3rd possession when Beverley pressured him. Scott, McHale would have not trusted Lin like that. Scott and McHale didn’t trust Lin’s defense and ability to make big plays like Cliff does. That’s what Paul was saying in the video and I agree with him.

  • JoeTeam

    The difference is they had a chance to get within one possession. the missed FTs ended the contact and Rox separated.

  • JoeTeam

    krzy

  • zxcvb

    If refs try that BS, Lin better get a technical by shouting, “NICE ONE DONAGHY.”

  • sws94

    Allow one 3 for the Rockets and disallow it for Frank. Sucks.

  • zxcvb

    If refs try that BS again, Lin better get a tech shouting, “NICE ONE DONAGHY.”

  • InfiniteWisdom

    sure but at the same time he’s a slave to politics and kemba is tanking the team some nights and he still plays 40 mins…

  • sws94

    Well, Kemba is the golden boy.

  • John Focker

    You know what people say about “When one sees one roach, …” 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    oh well I hope to see that some day that was a great game. But the plot thickens if youtube is suppressing 35pt games ha ha.

  • blubell

    Who is this Donaghy guy that everyone keeps mentioning? Please share 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    last game, JLin had a long 3 that was all net and the announcer got excited about the very high arc, just fyi. I’m not a shot mech guy.

  • rookie75094

    Crooked ref..got caught…went to jail

  • blubell

    Oh, gosh. Now youtube is anti Lin? lol. It’s okay, God is pro Lin 🙂

  • John Focker

    First of all comparing anyone to puppet McHale and tank-meister BS is setting the bar fairly low. Second, many winnable games were lost due to Clifford not reigning Kemba/Batum in when they’re squandering lead away and freezing Lin out.

    I DO like Clifford allowing Lin to close games, but suspect that F/O is meddling with selling Kemba/Batum duo as face of franchise, and interfering with Clifford’s O.

    My comment above is a half joke. Clifford’s alright, but perhaps still slave to politics, so personally I can’t give him “huge” respect.

  • JoeTeam

    that pass from batum to kw really bad mistake by both …

  • InfiniteWisdom

    you mean the golden calf?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    expect nothing less from the super chuck bros….

  • Yascar

    I felt that Charlotte got Lin’s back too which was nice to see. But next time I really want them to win.

  • blubell

    Haha. Thanks!

  • sws94

    Paul’s point wasn’t about Kemba or Batum. It was trusting Lin so he could go back at harden and Beverley when they tried to show him up.

  • John Focker

    Lookie here, the pride of the NBA.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Donaghy

  • rookie75094

    Np…blu.

  • sws94

    Yes, it was nice when they were on a win streak but their holes are beginning to show. They don’t seem like a good road team.

  • JoeTeam

    lol a friend of Lin’s is a friend of mine!.

  • Brent Yen

    Few points,

    1. regardless, form for open jumper is always the top thing to build. everything else follow.
    2. Lin does not change his form for “lowering the ark”. He change it for mechanical efficiency (lower release point). We rarely see Curry got blocked, with his low release point, because he let the ball fly quicker. lower point does not necessary increases the chances of being blocked. Slow and low do.
    3. Curry actually use more legs for shooting( if you compare it with his upper body output). He just reduced his legs’ output for JUMPING. There is a huge difference here. You can only shoot as quick as you jump, so you pretty much can kiss any chance of release quicker goodbye if you jump too high.

  • sws94

    yeah.

  • Lin Win

    Lin’s only chance to get fair treatment is to join the Spurs.

    Whether he plays from the bench or not !
    Great Coach!
    Great Leadership!
    Great mentors!
    Great chance at the championship!
    NO superstar system!
    ZERO racism!

    If EVEN under coach Pop that Lin can’t get his stats up then us Lin fans should just accept it.

    Joining the 76ers is only going to pad Lin’s stats AND it’s not a guaranteed starting spot for Lin.
    They will lose and lose and lose and Lin will never get a chance at a ring.

  • Lin Win

    Funny fact was that he didn’t affect the outcome of the games.
    He knew which ref hated which player and based his bet on those odds.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    on to boston. this time around if cliff doesnt exploit IT’s lack of d, something is seriously wrong….

  • sws94

    He gets those 3 first half fouls as a Spur too.

  • tom

    Well u win some u lose some

  • rookie75094

    I hope cliff begin to see the common denominator in all the wins and adjust accordingly. …big hint…let Jlin play pg….that’s all I ask for…I am not asking for the world…..just let Jlin play pg.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    spurstalk is even more racist than clutchfans… now that’s saying something!

  • Brent Yen

    Lin will remember that 2 FTs for sure…:P no need for us to harp on that.

  • Lin Win

    I’m willing to believe Lin would sacrifice himself just to learn from the greats. Backing up kemba won’t teach Lin anything.

  • tom

    lol….their team is full of foreigners

  • John Focker

    Being a Spur surely didn’t save Timmy Duncan from getting a T while smilin’ on the bench.

  • Lin Win

    I don’t care about the fan side of basketball.
    Spurs is a bunch of international players and I don’t believe Manu,Parker nor Duncan are racist.

  • blubell

    I agree but you never know.

  • Yascar

    Yep there’s a perceptible difference in their home and away records. If they can get .500 on the road, they’d be a very good team.

  • JoeTeam

    can’t wait until next game. jlin is almost free on this team.

  • blubell

    I’m tired of imagining… make it happen already!

  • Lin Win

    If Manu,Parker,Duncan and Coach Pop are racists then I’m giving up NBA!

  • John Focker

    Professionals can be categorized as one of the following four:
    1) Capable and kind
    2) Capable and unkind
    3) Incapable but kind
    4) Incapable yet still unkind

    Kobe in his prime was (2), now he’s (4), not respectable either way IMO.

  • JoeTeam

    nope. lin won’t get stats up at sas. look at parker’s consistency. look at dgreen. i believe corey jo may have better stats now outta there. sas share, and any game is about the team.

  • CJSHYY
  • InfiniteWisdom

    on a more serious note, i dont know if pop would tolerate lin’s high risk high reward style of play… parker and manu can rack up all the TO’s they want. those guys are proven champs. lin? might get the least amount of playing time in his career…

  • CJSHYY
  • Lin Win

    Well let’s not say stat wise!
    I just want Lin to be able to play his style of basketball!
    Carefree,Non selfish no politics basketball!

  • John Focker

    Lin running Pop’s plays would be low risk high reward.

  • JoeTeam

    3team and 2 refs.

  • JoeTeam

    cool!

  • Brent Yen

    Lin will benefit if and only if the team wanna win. How coaches use him is another story…but at least there are chances for him…

  • Lin Win

    Well we are talking about Coach Pop! If Pop says something is wrong with Lin’s style then Lin has to change.
    I just want Lin to be able to get a shot at rings! Stats don’t matter much ! Look at Barkley and Melo? They will always get the no rings tag on them.

  • Lin Win

    I’m more amazed at how Lin scored 10 points in the 4th. He was double teamed every time he touched it!

  • blubell

    I hear lisps… Is he wearing invisalign/braces?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    then he can replace barbosa on gsw. why go to the spurs?

  • occupatio

    like that in last interview. hes wearing a straightener or teeth setter. whatever that thing is called.

  • NONONO

    i think he got multiple hits on the mouth.

  • Lin Win

    GSW isn’t racism-free
    They run the superstar system!
    Lots of evidence of Steve Kerr not liking Lin.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    that’s not lin’s game. he’ll just get some minutes to rest parker. and pops probably likes mills over lin anyways so this is not happening…

  • JoeTeam

    v cool collected answers. freeze frame his face and you will see his real answer many times. lin is telling it by facial gestures.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    still better than barbosa. still better chance at a ring for years to come. still home. still supportive crowd. etc…

  • khomphuong2

    by Harden and Lin fouls

  • JoeTeam

    wha you mean they got rid of d lee? jk

  • Lin Win

    Pop’s very good at adjusting line ups. Pop’s principle is that every player on the floor is equal. No player will get more minutes than other players unless there is a reason about lineups.

    Pop’s style is everybody that touches the ball gets 2seconds to do something to it.
    Drive and get better looks
    Pass if you don’t have any lanes
    Shoot when you get open looks.

  • cdblue10

    I’ve been saying this for the long time.Kemba is a liability.he’s too small as a PG and can’t be w/ Jeremy at the same time because he can’t guard anybody.On ball handling,yes he has some speed but even if he beat his man,they can still bother him due to his height.Kemba is like a taller version of Mugsy but that was it nothing special.Kemba’s role is fitted as a 6th man.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lol that’s some subtle shade thrown at LA!

  • 2 nice Lin assists
    (Refresh for pics)

    http://i.imgur.com/F4oYdT9.gif

    http://i.imgur.com/VQe7uf5.gif

  • Lin Win

    I can assure you Curry will overshadow Lin forever! Lin will be the scapegoat for a loss and Curry will get praises for wins.
    Might be still home but the Coach won’t play you!
    I won’t be surprised if Lin only got 20mins playing with the GSWs!

  • The answer to what Coach Clifford thinks of the referees:
    http://i.imgur.com/CCCzlTX.gif

    http://i.imgur.com/ZW9hBde.gif

  • occupatio

    next time, can u make them bigger?

  • Lin Win

    Game was stupid! There were so many fouls I thought i was watching a free throw competition.

  • 2 nice plays by Kemba/Zeller and Lamb

    http://i.imgur.com/dnydZvG.gif
    http://i.imgur.com/IN6t8B6.gif

  • Chopz

    Mouse in the house, too small on defense. Guys like John Wall eat him for breakfast.

  • CT

    lol.

  • Lin Win

    I want to see Lin make more assists like the first gif. Effortless pass into an easy bucket.
    Not drive and go for a wrap around pass! Our bigs can’t finish and Lin get’s slammed for nothing.

  • sorry, not my GIFs
    A nice Hornets fan created them

    Perhaps zoom-in?

  • JoeTeam

    nobody a fan at gsw cares about a loss. trust me, the culture is good and fans know it’s a dynasty. they got kt, dgreen, barnes locked in. this year, they will lock curry. i would want lin in there. dunno about the big … bogut gets hurt and plays by fouling. fez needs a couple more yrs.

  • blubell

    Thanks, my laptop is about to go crazy loading these. lol.

  • Acbc

    You know sometimes I really wonder about PFV and his point of view. Like tonight thanking Cliffrod for trusting Lin in the forth. Okay that was true, but why did it take so long and why play Lin off ball in the corner? YEESSS, WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL. Being back in Houston brings Bach too much PTSD.

    Lin unfortunately reminds me of poor Oliver Twist. He’s an orphan looking for a home and winds up in someplace that barely keeps him alive. So yes we should be thankful Lin’s playing lots! Oliver wants more sir, can I have some more….what, Lin wants more? Please sir, give me more…” The ungrateful dog! We’ve opened our team to you and we’ve given you 25+ minutes of scrap, what more do you want.

    You know something Lin fans, that’s what hornets fans are saying about us Lin fans. What else do they want? If Lin stays with this orphanage, Lin will always be asking for “more” becuase their golden boys will never give up their warm beds and tea and crumpets.

    Oliver needs a new home that wants him inside instead of looking in from the cold.

  • good excuse to get a new one lol

  • sws94

    Lin is on the wrong side. Batum sees one side of the floor unless he gets an idea to see the other side.

  • JoeTeam

    yeah, that’s it … a better vrsion of a brooks and toney d

  • Chopz

    I said the same thing all game long.

  • blubell

    It is relatively new! but yeah, need better specs. haha.

  • occupatio

    refs tonight were like bad cops. doesnt matter how much they antagonize you, if you show any resistance or indignation, they just punish you further for it, to assert their authority. im not just talking about the calls on lin, just the whole game was a bunch of incompetent cowards power tripping.

  • Lin Win

    I just don’t see a chance for Lin to learn or play his game. Not hating the GSW because I know they have a lot of Asian fans.
    I’m very worried about Steve Kerr coaching Lin. There’s lots of evidence of Steve Kerr hating on Lin.
    I still remember watching a video when Lin dribbled the ball up and a fan or Steve Kerr shouted
    “24million for what?”

  • InfiniteWisdom

    exactly my point. lin would be a nice player in pops system, but his full potential wont be reached. lin is best when he’s ball dominant, dictating the play. he wont have that chance on the spurs. he’d just be another cog in the spurs’ machine.

  • Love the strong implications that the foul calls were unfair.

  • leeda harun

    Ha ha…true

  • InfiniteWisdom

    he would lead the bench with iggy. they’d be DOMINANT even more so than they are now. lin is overshadowed everywhere he goes, scapegoated everywhere he goes. on gsw he’d be the cherry on top.

  • That was a great timely bounce pass with a high level of difficulty that not many can make.
    Beautiful to watch in GIF!

  • Lin Win

    Maybe Lin should try not to be so ball dominant? I’ve seen him work wonders at cutting off the ball.
    Like I said in free agency! No team would cater/build around Lin while looking at his resume AND they certainly won’t offer a starting spot.
    Spurs system’s is that every player is like a cog in a machine! All equal! No one is above another!. They all have to work together to make the machine work!

  • JoeTeam

    finals mvp not a bad thing for lin, iggy will share. he’s also not good on o, but good with pressure 3s. so there is a place for lin there

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i believe once kerr gets to know him, he will see how good he is.

  • LAJane

    This.

  • NONONO

    I think either MJ or Cliff needs to make major changes very soon, or they could miss the playoffs.

  • Lin Win

    It’s a lot better now! At least Lin isn’t thrown under the bus at all ! I’m sure it’ll get better and better! Lin’s already gone to 2 bad teams. Nothing will be worse than that.

  • occupatio

    wearing black earrings. thats different.

  • Yascar

    Lol “right or wrong calls” – clearly he thinks they were wrong.

    “I’m a very different player to when I was here” – nice answer. Reporter was stumped for a follow up.

  • I don’t envy Clifford’s job.
    Basically he knows Kemba is better off as an SG because Lin’s PG means a better team-ball but he can’t outright say it that way since it means a demotion for Kemba.

    But yeah, these losses would press Clifford to use JLin more as a PG so they will stop wasting precious possessions.
    Lin’s AST/min is definitely better than Kemba as a PG

  • Lin Win

    I want to think that but something keeps telling me it won’t happen.

  • JoeTeam

    i dont think its like that …

  • blubell

    I’ve only seen black earrings…

  • JoeTeam

    yoda? is that you lol.

  • Lin Win

    Tech for clapping too hard LOL HAHAHAH
    It’s right under Tech for laughing on the bench!

  • blubell
  • LAJane

    This is not the first time a franchise stuck with the names they’ve already plunked big money down on in hopes that if they just hang in there the investment will turn around and get all golden. And it won’t be the last. Jeremy’s been run around the block from the day he left high school. He’s smart, he observes closely, and he learns. The idea that at this stage he has not developed a really good bull$..t meter is just willful ignorance by anguished fans, imho. If he says Clifford gets his game, I totally trust that. He has a world of experience in club business/politics by now and for sure he knew what he was getting into at Charlotte. He was willing to give it a test drive (short contract) to see how much an appreciative coach might help kill some of the wrong myths about his supposed limitations. And so far those myths are already collapsing. I’d love to see more 35 point Hairsanities, but I’m already happy with the rep rehab that’s happening.

  • heart

    No more wonder for me for I have stopped listening. I trust my own instincts more. And you’re right why should Lin be thankful to Cliff. If Cliff utilizes Lin properly by playing to his strengths as pg, I think Hornets could have won this game. I once heard from some analysts that when teams lose many close and winnable games, the cause is usually on coaching. I believe this is the case w/Hornets.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    again, a nice place to chase a ring on vet min salary, but not a nice place to make your mark. leonard is their future. lma is their present. and as long as parker, manu and tim are on the team they will get dibs. lin would be like a corey joseph or patty mills. nice player but nothing to write home about. might as well go to gsw then and be a cog in that machine. it’s rockin over at oracle…. lots to write home about. imagine if lin was a part of their historic run? he’d be a part of history! instead he chose to be kemba’s backup lol…

  • JoeTeam

    im not paying attention …

  • Briiick

    Since KW has been playing with the 2nd unit more and more with 40 minutes PT, the boldest move by Cliff would be to start Lin, KW and Batum, rest KW after 5 minutes and then play him as the virtual 6th man.

  • Lin Win

    It’s great Clifford knows it was the team defense in the first half that let to our downfall!

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/channel/postgame_interviews

  • Yascar

    Wow. Nice post.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    well the hornets better get back to being good otherwise he’s in nba purgatory. 8th seed is cool. get swept by lebron always fun right? not!

  • JoeTeam

    yes, and you can’t change it from mjackson culture to this and have this performance w/o being a good coach. also, kerr had to win the locker room becuz steph went on the record to back mjack when he was about to be let go.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    he’s light years ahead of barbosa in every category. why wont it happen?

  • blubell

    I know… lol

  • JoeTeam

    if they get lin, it’ll happen. gsw is after championing the new game.

  • LAJane

    Thanks. Y’all inspire me. 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    rockin’ where nosebleeds are 8x over 2 yrs ago …

  • CJSHYY

    I think so too. Lin improves every year. This summer his D jump a lot.

  • occupatio

    nice post. to nuance the picture a little bit, it’s not necessarily that cliff is taking orders from management or ownership when he (over)plays kemba and doesnt utilize lin to run the offense. let’s keep in mind that he needs to keep on good terms with kemba himself. in other words, even without any say from the boss guys, a coach keeping his key long term players from shutting him out is part of the job. its not something that dantoni really managed well.

  • Excellent observation. The 35pts explosion after 3 yrs certainly changed the narrative in JLin’s career since even HOU announcers mentioned it and had a level of respect with 17+pts average in the last 5 games

    Now he’s becoming “underrated and under-utilized PG” in the Hornets, ready for next season’s FA

  • moooore early Christmas gifts lol

  • JoeTeam

    good pt

  • Yascar

    I think I have an error. Seems to link to the Washington postgame.

  • JoeTeam

    if that pic is u, what does the two sign mean?

  • DaBoss

    Or McHale it seems. Lol.

  • Lin Win

    Funny ! It links fine for me!

  • LinMad

    ya its working for me

  • blubell

    Finally highlights from

  • Clifford definitely needs to keep the incumbent Kemba, soon-to-be FA Batum plus Linning JLin happy so it’s tough balancing act.

    It worked for a while with lots of wins but these losses would mean more changes to come.

  • Lin Win

    My only concern is Coach Kerr. There’s so many evidence of him not liking Lin.
    But time will tell because if Lin get’s traded to GSW then I’m pretty sure Kerr would’ve given permission to.

  • blubell

    Just bought couple of tablets… will need to replenish my bank account 🙁

  • Lin Win

    Yascar confirmed wizards fan haha

  • maybe Linsanity 2.0 :]

  • Lin Win

    You’re a wizards fan!!!!! YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LAJane

    That I’ve been watching too many Korean dramas :). They just can’t take any photo without making that sign. But is it a “two” now? In my day it was a “peace” sign. I thought it had just sort of evolved into a generic happy sign. So, being a bit camera shy in my less photogenic “mature” years, I was signaling good will even though I was turning my head away. Not to be anti-social, as it were.
    Edit: Linsanity 2.0. I like. Will use. Thanks Psalm234.

  • Yascar

    Honestly it’s weird. I didn’t catch on until he said something about John Wall!!! 🙂

  • InfiniteWisdom

    my point is that kerr’s not stupid. he’s an upgrade over barbosa in every facet of the game. the only thing at this point is the contract. lin wanted the chance to earn another big contract and a chance to be a star. so i wish him and the team luck on that front. BUT if he never gets a fair shake and his next contract will be a similar one to this year, then he might as well go to gsw and be the best bench player he can be. lord knows backing up curry is infinitely more respectable than being kemba’s back up….

  • George Livingston

    I’m thinking the NBA is rigged.

  • Yascar

    Haha finally got it. Had to search for right video, maybe there’s something wrong with the cache.

    Anyway, Coach Cliff looked pissed.

  • JoeTeam

    cha feed much more fun, with them laughing at harden’s 2 sec clock passes, replays on the phantom fouls. that lady Ready is cool.

  • rookie75094

    You look fine to me…as far as I can see…nice jaw profile…lol

  • [4:21] Tremendous defense by Lin on Harden when he was only bumping Harden’s shoulders with his chest twice, not tangle with arms so Harden can’t draw a foul

  • LinMad

    well at least they made fun of Lin getting a foul by using his nose

  • occupatio

    after reviewing the video, it turns out lin didnt actually hug harden. harden just did what he does best: initiating offensive contact.

  • LAJane

    All encouragement accepted. 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    ha ha you asiaphile jk.

  • LinMad

    ya Lin did not get his arms tangled defending Harden today. Not once. And Lin was really close to him the whole time.

  • [4:52] Lin managed to foul Harden with 30-in airspace between them?
    The refs must’ve watched Star Wars a bit too much!

    Someone should complain to the NBA about this phantom foul with the game being so close 85-86

  • LinMad

    that tech was ridiculous. The one where Kemba was running back already after clapping once. You don’t really know why he clapped either. Could have been just excited and wanted his team to wake up.

  • occupatio

    kemba was just following sws94’s advice. poor guy.

  • JoeTeam

    yup

  • LinMad

    I guess that advice won’t work anymore lol. We don’t want Jeremy to get 10 techs in a game.

  • Acbc

    Yes Lin is a very smart political/ business man. You don’t get through Harvard without learning something. What was said AND not said in his recent interview is quite interesting. We all suggested to Lin that no matter who he signed with, it should be a 1 year deal. This contract was a one with an option to acknowledge that he semi trusts Clifford. The fact that he hasn’t “unpacked” in his mind and imagination pretty much sums up what he thinks of his current situation.

    So while we are thankful for what Clifford has done to nullify the slanderous propaganda against Lin, it was of mutual benifitial to both parties. Lin came to the hornets with his eyes wide open. He suspected that this scenario would play out just as is. Lin will stay till the end of the season and play hard for them. That’s the kind of man Lin is. When people tells you in cold blood, “this is just business”, you must accept that playing field and react in kind. Good business is after all a competition. You play hard, play fair, but you also want to win at the end of the game.

    Clifford treats Lin as an asset that he can used as he pleases. Lin fulfills his end of his contract and does whatever the coach asks him to do with the best of his efforts. Each gets what they want. Lin helps the stars shine and Lin gets his reputation back. It’s win win, except it’s win, win, lose. It’s that lose part gives all a bad taste in the mouth.

    As Lin fans however, we see a team struggling to win when we all know Lin could have help them to win. So yeah, we want Lin to have more of a role. Politics and favouritism is the norm in the NBA, we al get it, we just don’t like it because we also want to win for ourselves and for Lin.

  • Hope

    Unbelievable ref. Great job nba for using ref to rig the game. How much did you bet on the Rockets, Adam silver?

  • Hope

    Dmn, 3 fouls in 2 minutes?????

  • occupatio

    3 minutes. thats psycho T fouling rate. heheh

  • spiderman

    is that the one where Harden elbows Lin’s nose?

  • His only mistake in the 1st quarter was trying to challenge Harden’s shot with forward motion.
    Harden just initiated contact to draw a foul.
    Lin learned to adjust well in the 2nd half.

    Had the ref not help Harden with the phantom foul, Hornets would’ve taken the 3pt lead rather than 1pt lead at one point of time

  • Hope

    Will the nba put out a correction tomorrow that all lin 5 fouls were missed call. That will be a lol moment.

  • occupatio

    they only review calls in last two minutes, IIRC

  • no, that one was the 1st quarter

    This was the 4th quarter

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lol, all the asians r doing it. My wife laughs everytime someone does it. Noooo! Peace out!

  • Hope

    Nope, 2 minutes. Sub in at 4:44, sub out at 2:04 in q1

  • occupatio

    NBA minutes played are rounded up. so, 3 minutes!

  • occupatio

    i dont even get upset when hornets lose now. why is that?

  • Hope

    Not in 1q.

  • LinMad

    cause you can’t blame Lin for it. It’s on the coaching. Lin has played well in these lost games.

  • spiderman

    dirty win by a dirty team in a dirty town

  • Hope

    True that.

  • blubell

    Dirty league…

  • Hope

    Love lin reaction after 3rd fouls.

  • LinMad

    We lost because of 2nd and 3rd quarters. The quarter where Lin did not play at all and 3rd qtr where Lin only had very little minutes and touches. The 4th quarter was the best. 10 pts in 4th quarter with 4 assists.

  • LinMad

    I think he was laughing in the inside. Those refs were really unfair to him.

  • Hope

    Lin should speak MY thought after 3rd foul.

  • Hope

    NBA ref cheated.

  • Whitman Lam

    When’s the last time Harden got a warning or fine for flopping?

  • Hope

    In this game, if lin were rondo, just for thought.

  • LAJane

    “Slanderous propaganda” is right on the money. You’re right…we want so much more for him, but making those ugly falsehoods go away is its own blessing. Serenity now (my aspiration).

  • spiderman

    lol

  • Hope

    I haven’t seen anyone can guard lin this year. Not even lj.

  • blubell
  • orLinaryjoe

    Stephanie has game.

  • Whitman Lam

    Next game is Al Jefferson back from his weed suspension?

  • Whitman Lam

    The big Flop House a.k.a. Toyota center.

  • JoeTeam

    Good one

  • LAJane

    lol

  • JoeTeam

    I like Firefly myself.

  • CJSHYY

    5 games already? But so weird why these commentators from Hornets didn’t mention anything about Al?

  • Dan Cohen

    uoh.. offense stagnations…will feel like entry pass to boozer in lakers again.

  • Whitman Lam

    Orlando game, Toronto game, Wizards game, Rockets game …. I think that’s only 4.

  • CJSHYY

    So vs Celtics is the last one. Let’s see what they will talk about Al? Somehow I don’t think Al will stay w Hornets for long?

  • orLinaryjoe

    Hate atthehive vids. Takes forever to load.

  • Whitman Lam

    It’s not like Hornets have been winning a lot of games without Al. Been about .500 ball lately.

  • Dan Cohen

    you know I think at the end of each month, they should all look at the performance of the refs and then demotes those who make bad calls and promote those who made good calls. ref are not held accountable for anything.

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    I would love for hornets to play rockets in the playoffs. Rockets is a team I really dislike.

  • CJSHYY

    Talk about Boozer, I thought he’s going to Bucks why no news?

  • Dan Cohen

    al will be back.
    so pj or mw need to sit..
    so if you have lin,kw,batum,al,pj.. you wonder.

  • Dan Cohen

    I would love the rockets to NOT EVEN make the playoffs. implosion is something that I like to see as that is more satisfying.

  • occupatio

    how many inefficient and ineffectual games does kemba need to pile up for lin to finally get a chance to run the offense?

    im seriously wondering. cuz we are already going down that road, but i dont see any obvious end to it.

  • CJSHYY

    W the help from Ref, Rox will make it to playoff for sure. Maybe not top seed like last year.

  • Hornets shot poorly at 35.4% but the starters contributed with 15-51 shooting (29.4%)

    The 3P shooting was 6-23 (26%).
    Hairston has been hot but shooting 2-9 was a bit much.

    Batum needs to recover 100% from his flu after-effects & Hairston should stop shooting so many 3s.

  • occupatio

    the flu thing is overblown. ppl have to just start accepting that this is batum. he is not much more than this.

  • JoeTeam

    hope this is all trade bait for either one …

  • occupatio

    im asking, seriously. how long can this possibly go on?

  • sws94

    I can’t stand David Hardisty. Harden destroyed Lin. He lives to gloat and the responses on twitter said, nope, not really. Lin did a great job on Harden. Better than Harden did on Lin. He blocked me on twitter but I told everyone how much of a jerk he is that I could before he did.

  • maybe he doesn’t like this SG thing, wants to go back being a SF

    something is off with him. He’s definitely a better SF and secondary creator than Chandler Parsons

  • JoeTeam

    heh heh I enjoyed the Rox/GSW series last year. Harden losing the last game in ORCL was really cool to watch because he was trying his shenanigans that night. Didn’t work. My proxy for JLin retribution, and I’m still waiting for the real one.

  • CJSHYY

    Did Batum still have flu? Cliff’s really too stubborn why he didn’t let Lamb or Daniel to play more?

  • maybe 7-8 losses?

  • JoeTeam

    um, as long as the money keeps flowing in I guess. People don’t change unless they have to …

  • occupatio

    im not kneejerking over his FG% tonight. its not about what the result is, but the decision making. bad shot selection, wasted possessions. that has nothing to do with illness.

    batum regularly thinks that contested shots and off-balance shots are good shots. he doesnt look for anything better for the team, but is content to settle for those.

    when you take those kinds of shots, over the course of the season, there is no way that he or the team can be efficient.

  • sws94

    I also don’t like Clyde. He still doesn’t show proper respect for Lin’s abilities as a basketball player and that makes him very small in my eyes. Because it isn’t based on Lin’s abilities, but his perceptions that an Asian can’t really play great basketball.

  • JoeTeam

    that pass to KW on the break was weak … he just I mean like saliva dribbled it out bounds, it wasn’t even a pass.

  • sws94

    Lin won’t run the offense when Kemba is playing. What I hope to see is Lin run a higher percentage of plays. Most of the time, Lin hardly runs any of them. That play to Cody was a thing of beauty. But I’m glad to see Lin do more when he gets a pass. I’m not glad to see they aren’t coming from Batum and Kemba in this game. They were making progress and reverted.

  • sws94

    I know he’s just a narrow-minded petty bigot, but I still can’t stand him.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t like these two. Never mind about their opinion bc they will not change it no matter what we said or the real fact show …. I really think Rox is not good place for Lin no matter the team, media, or fans. smh!

  • occupatio

    certainly, no one should be surprised that hardisty would spin what happened and find a way to gloat over it.

  • Yascar

    David Hardisty is a despicable human being. I’ll never forget that Chinese foot binding pic he allowed to be posted on his site after Jeremy signed with Adidas. Worse, he passed it off as “harmless fun.” And the numerous blatantly discriminatory memes about Lin in CF. It was beyond disgusting.

    Ty Lawson plays 10x worse than Lin ever did and you get very few peeps about it. It’s like that whole site is doing their best to ignore that every guy they ever replaced Jeremy with on that team is a monumental bust.

  • sws94

    He’s not there anymore thankfully. It’s an awful place. That place brings back bad memories and feelings.

  • Spot

    December 26th

  • CJSHYY

    They just did what Morey asked them to say …. I really think Morey is the worst among them.

  • I remember he was quite sharp as a secondary playmaker in Portland.

    Hornets is asking him to be someone he’s not; to be a primary playmaker as an SG/PG.
    I think he’s taking more risks than he was as an SF.

    Lin/Batum and Lin/Kemba work because Lin was feeding them so they can simply shoot & not try to create too much. They just don’t have the court-vision.

    Not sure how long Hornets will need to lose before they let JLin be the primary playmaker.
    I can’t stand so many wasted possessions with badly contested shots and ISOs

  • sws94

    Exactly. He’s garbage, complete garbage in my eyes. He’s also arrogant and petty and doesn’t know as much about basketball as he thinks. He’s as nasty as Dominique Wilkins is yet he runs a site where he continues to trash Lin and allows despicable, intolerable racism to be spewed out. Because he’s one of the racist. The ringleader.

  • sws94

    I think it is something personal with Hardisty. I think Morey just sees assets and not human beings to play basketball for him.

  • JoeTeam

    Hey tonight has been fun because we all know had it not been for the cheating refs, JLin would have smoked Rox.

    Let’s just celebrate by remembering just how Mr Elite D handled JLin heh heh. Fouls, couldn’t keep up etc. And then our Mr Lin handled JHarden just fine, forcing him to at least 2 very obvious hospital 2 sec clock passes. Good games ahead!

  • Spot

    He’s Clutch what did you expect? They live for silly things.

  • lol that was classic Harden to dribble-dribble then pass with 1 seconds left to his teammate (Ariza?)

    The nice thing was Harden didn’t force many shots with JLin guarding him differently in the 2nd half.
    I think he gave proper respect to Lin at the end of game.

  • Spot

    I say it again: if Sixers trade for Jeremy before New Year they can make the play-off. Obviously if D’Antoni is the real coach.

    Jeremy is almost unstoppable now.

  • sws94

    I don’t really see any improvement in Harden’s game. I do in DMo and Terrance, but not Harden. Beverley’s a little better offensively, not much. And his defense is just fouling people, not great footwork and hands. Thug defense.

  • occupatio

    harden reserves the easy shots for his himself and gives the garbage shots to his teammates, often that is ariza beside him on the arc. that used to be lin.

  • you give a little scare that I might have to sell my tix =)

    Unfortunately, I think Clifford is too desperate to win now to even thinking of trading Lin.
    They’re afraid of not making playoff now being #9 with Kemba and Batum struggling lately

  • sws94

    Spot, have you watched the Sixers? I don’t find that to be a realistic statement whatsoever. you don’t win just 1 game out of 29 and then make the playoffs mid-season with the addition of a smart point guard. It would take months just to work out the chemistry and they’d have to go some crazy, unrealistic record from here on to do so.

  • sws94

    All but Frank are struggling, and PJ to an extent. I want to see how many minutes Lin plays next game. It may be around 37-38 with the way most of the team are playing.

  • Spot

    If they get Noel they could think they got the shotblocker they need (they must add Kaminsky too).

    Last time Linsanity started on Christmas (Jeremy traded to Knicks) 😀

    But I don’t think that will happen too. Sixers probably will tank this year and build on from next season.

  • sws94

    Ah, no. That was a celebration clap I think. I don’t know what he said, but Cliff got a T, Kemba, Batum, it was ludicrous.

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    Exactly. Really enjoyed Lins D on harden in the 4th quarter..even with 4 fouls and biased refs.

  • Phillycheese

    The hornets had the lead late and game was tied at 37 sec remaining. Just did not execute in the end. Zeller muffed the easy dunk and then the turnover did them in in the end.

  • sws94

    Yeah funny. Not. Don’t know why you guys are even doing it. I like you guys but you’re better than this.

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    Haha. Me too but I think it would mean that much more if hornets beat them in multiple games and Lin was a huge part of it.

  • Phillycheese

    Harden had three fouls on Lin that were totally garbage. Lin’s arms were straight up and he did not swipe down on two of them, not sure how a ref saw that as a foul. Lin also lost two assists on fouls commited, one was a three by Frank and the second was andunk by Cody. That was the difference right there.

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    That miss by zeller was huge! That would have put them down by 1. Total shift in momentum.

  • Yascar

    You said it. Just seeing the Rockets logo makes my blood boil these days. I wish I could be as cool as Jeremy seems to be about Houston but then the kid is a much better person than me imo.

  • Spot

    Pnr Okafor/Lin. Kaminsky at 4. Caanan or Stauskas as SG. They only need a SF.

    But things hasn’t happened so it’s useless to talk about

  • occupatio

    sws, u have this idea that the three playmakers batum, kemba, and lin are going to learn to play well together and build ‘chemistry.’ but this is batum’s contract year. i’d say he would rather get his stats and shoot for a max-level contract than try to build ‘chemistry’ on this team.

    and its a perfectly reasonable thing for batum to do. there is more in the big picture that getting a few more wins on a temporary team you are on and just passing through. thats just short term; it’s the long term that matters.

    as for kemba, losing games is better than lowering your own value, while raising the value of lin, especially since lin might not even be around next year.

    people taking care of their own business. ‘chemistry’ is nice, but not the highest priority, especially when it goes against your own interests.

    the three playmakers will only put chemistry and team wins first IF they are all signed on together for long term contracts. and that obviously isnt the case now.

  • sws94

    Lin was empowered, the balance between Kemba/Batum Lin is wrong but Lin is empowered. Get one of them off the floor and things get better.

  • Phillycheese

    Yao must have stolen his lunch money hence he hates on Lin since he is easier target. Typical bully behaviour aided by his various synchophants.

  • Yascar

    So do I. I’ve often wondered about what Jeremy could possibly have done to him to warrant such hate.

  • sws94

    *I* have this idea. Go listen to the coach. The coach said that at the 12/20 shootaround. If Batum and Kemba are professional and team players, they’ll work at the chemistry. If they aren’t, they’ll do what you said. All I care about is what they do on the court, I’m not getting into guessing their motives, I’ll leave that up to you.

    Go to the Hornets video page and listen to this interview.
    Hornets Practice | Steve Clifford – 12/20/15

  • sws94

    Yes, he definitely lost assists with those calls. Lin’s facilitating game was on a high level when he was in.

  • It’s only logical to ask Lin to orchestrate the offense more when he’s on the floor so he can get his teammates good shots, especially with him playing well.

    But they’re still missing the big man who can finish strong (Hansbrough is not trusted by Clifford); Hawes is just not that physical specimen. Frank is not strong enough.

    Let’s hope Clifford trusts Lin more w/o riding him hard like tonight w/ 20 min straight

  • so nice to be Harden to have his playground

  • Infini

    The best thing to do is ignore him during these situations as he’s just trying to rile us up and get people to come to his forum. So remember to use an AdBlocker if you go.

    Or if you’re bored, you can make fun of him for being soft on Ty and Dwight when they under-perform.

    Basically act like the haters act. Notice how quiet they were when Lin was putting up great numbers and then come out in force when he has a mediocre game. A few hit and run posts is sometimes fun to do when you’re bored.

  • occupatio

    its not about guessing motives, but to describe the situation which is that one key player (batum) is in his contract year, and another (lin) is also not signed on long term and is also functionally in a contract year.

    we can all hope that they play well together like the spurs, but the contract situation is totally different. spurs guys know their key teammates will be around and have a long history together already. but if your teamates are NOT guarnateed long term teammates, it changes the relationships entirely.

  • I don’t know.
    He wasn’t as sharp as before.

    Lamb blew some D assignment allowing Jones to get free.
    Troy Daniels is too small and just a 3pt-specialist

  • sws94

    I think Lin is trusted. What I’m seeing Clifford slow to do is to draw up plays that have Lin on the strong side or at least have them swing the ball around so Lin can facilitate the plays. Batum didn’t even seem to do much facilitating today. Kemba started off playing a good point guard. But it lasted for about 6 or 7 minutes. Then he played like Kemba. That’s not going to cut it.

  • Infini

    For me, it’s because we never know how much time Jeremy will get to play, and when he does, we don’t know how the coach will use him.

    This was definitely a winnable game, but early foul trouble, and not being used as a PG hurt the Hornets.

  • sws94

    You’re describing your opinion of their motives. I’m relaying what’s likely to happen on the court with Lin per what the coach is saying. You’re confusing my ideas with my relaying what the coach is doing on the floor. If he has Lin, Batum and Kemba on the floor, either chemistry is going to happen, or it won’t.

    People were going on and on about Lamb and how he’s going to play over Lin because of his contract and how he’s going to get Lin’s minutes because of it. Is Lamb playing much now? I’m into what goes on on the court, not speculation about motives and contracts and other stuff. Only what Cliff says will go on on the court.

  • occupatio

    i wouldnt say what i said if i saw more chemistry between the three developing. it hasnt materialized after 25 games. i am also talking about what happens on the court.

  • Batum seems hard to guess. I believe he wanted to play like Spurs like his countrymen (Tony & Diaw) but he also wants to succeed at the SG/playmaker thing.

    Kemba would love for Lin to help him while he’s still the PG.

    My hope is when Lin orchestrate, he helps Batum and Kemba with easy shots so they get on board with Lin running the offense more. Winning will solve a lot of problems.

  • Infini

    Rematch on Saturday, March 12, 2016. Hopefully by then the Hornets will get the message that Jeremy should be the PG and they can easily win that game.

  • sws94

    And? It took Wade and LeBron 55 games or so in Miami to learn how to play with one another. And that’s just 2 players. And then Bosh had to be integrated also. And pretty much Bosh and Wade had to cater their games to fit LeBron’s.

  • Spot

    My take:

    Charlotte wanted to sign Jeremy for cheap.
    Then D’Antoni to Sixers and so Clifford started to get him more touches to make him stay in Charlotte.

    As I see it, Clifford sees Jeremy just as sixth man. Nothing more, nothing less. He doesn’t believe in small ball.

  • sws94

    Exactly. In life we need win-wins with players and their egos. Not adveserial and cast doubts if there are possibilities with the people involved. I’m hoping for the best. I’ve not given up on Batum and Kemba. Kemba and Lin just got together to win a tough Raptors game where Lin was the top scorer.

  • occupatio

    thats not comparable, wade and lebron, because they KNEW they had X amount of years together. again, im talking the contract situation.

  • sws94

    I know you are. My point remains. They play now and for this season. And whatever happens happens. They realize Cliff’s idea or it falls flat.

  • occupatio

    the best PER that Batum has ever gotten is 17.3 in 2011-2112, which was also a contract year for batum. he signed a contract in 2012.

    im not singling out batum but to say that players do play better in contract years in general. thats an observable fact, not some hocus pocus mind reading into personal motivations. and their attributable reasons obviously involve their individual future more than the the future of the team.

  • Lin Win

    Everyone talking about how Paul George is going to have a MVP season.
    Kawhi Leonard just held MVP candidate Paul George to 1-14 shooting, while scoring 24 on 10-19 shooting.

    The Spur’s future is bright! I love how Kawhi is so humble! Doesn’t care about the spotlight ! Doesn’t care about that alpha dog act and just plays. No yelling and pumping chest when dunking or anything. Every player’s personality are identical to Lins! I feel Lin would fit perfectly in the Spurs even if Duncan,Parker or Manu retires.

    I just hope Lin’s agent can actually do some work and get Lin to the Spurs.

  • sws94

    That was a horrible play by Lamb. He didn’t guard anyone and Frank was all over him telling him about the rotation. I don’t get what was on Lamb’s mind, if anything.

  • occupatio

    i dont follow your posts. what does lamb have to do with it?

  • PETE B

    Add to this that Clifford and cho are appraising Batum as a developing SG ‘test driving’ him to play next to MKG long term

  • sws94

    The idea that his contract would affect Lin’s playing time. It hasn’t really. Lin is getting far more playing time plus he’s officially in the closing group. I think Kemba is playing like Kemba and Batum has bad habits in his game and they keep everything to one side. That’s the problem I’m seeing and that’s a basketball problem that is fixable if you get Batum, Kemba and Lin on the same page. But balancing 3 facilitators is not easy.

  • occupatio

    i never claimed that lamb’s guaranteed contract would mean he would get guaranteed playing time. and it is totally unrelated to what i said.

    boiled down to a simple sentence: chemistry is much easier when u know ur key teammates will be around long term and that their performance doesnt hurt your own contract situation in the immediate short term.

    im not saying lin, kemba, batum cannot have chemistry, but the contract situation currently does not help. furthermore, team chemistry and individual goals can be at cross-purposes in this scenario.

  • sws94

    I didn’t say you about Lamb. But that was the discussion here and a feeling by a lot of members here about Lamb.

    I hear your point. And I’m not saying you are wrong or right as it relates to what happens on the court. I’m paying attention to what happens on the court. Kemba has shown some chemistry with just LIn. Batum has shown some chemistry with just Lin. Lin, Batum and Kemba together have not shown great chemistry. I only deal with what’s on the court and my observation and as I said, if you think the contract is a factor, that’s for you to relay. I’m not looking at that.

  • kauaiblue

    No bench!

  • PETE B

    It so simple and elegant win win solution.
    If only Clifford And Mr Jordan can see it
    Batum gets his numbers and big money extension
    Kemba gets his All star points and Jordan brand looks good
    Hornets win a lot of games
    Clifford looks good
    Lin plays his winning game
    Charlotte becomes a serious contender and Mr Jordan’s Forbes rank goes up too

  • sws94

    Good night.

  • occupatio

    ok bye

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think that day will come….I mean Lin replaces Kemba…But maybe Lin will get slightly more chances to do it…

  • PETE B

    Sorry to go off tangent but the elephant in the room Al Jefferson Yikes when he comes back also a Clifford usage guy in contract year

  • Lam

    wrong skin color?

  • occupatio

    your comment is certainly relevant. a team with so many players in their contract year, makes it very difficult to expect everybody to sacrifice a considerable amount of individual output for team success. batum, lin, jefferson, and if you count PJ, that’s 4.

    i’m not badmouthing anyone’s motives, but just saying that expecting people in insecure individual situations to sacrifice for a team that they might not be on next year, that is a difficult situation.

    hence, i am personally doubtful about the lin/kemba/batum chemistry that sws looks forward to seeing. maybe i am being unncessarily pessimistic, but i think it would be overly optimistic to expect them to all of them to sacrifice a lot for team ‘chemistry’

  • zxcvb

    There wasn’t anything wrong with his usage tonight. It was 100% reffing — crazy Tim Donaghy stuff.

    3 fouls in 3m??? That has never happened to Lin ever before. Maybe his rookie year in garbage time or something. This game was so fishy that CHA picked up THREE technical fouls. I don’t think they had 2 all year combined.

  • LinMad
  • zxcvb

    He smoked them anyway. Only problem is that he played 22m thanks to refs.

  • your son’s voltaire

    if it weren’t for the corrupted refs, Lin would have destroyed harden today. the refs love to call against Lin and for harden, put them together and you got whistles blown even before play start. smh

  • Spot

    There’s really no space for Jeremy next year.

  • MorlockO

    correction 3 fouls in 50+ secs…

  • stam

    I think kemba got a technical foul for clapping lol

  • MoominFloren

    Even better !

  • james brown

    that’s one factor that is as clear as broad daylight. while Batum loved what Cliff’s doing to him, theres no assurance he will sign with the hornets yet Cliff can’t do anything except try to cater to Batum..Chemistry will come to KW and Batum because one cannot alone make a team..but adding one player to the equation will be harder than just 2 players. 3players who needs the ball on their hand is not enough for one basketball.

    hoping they will have chemistry will benifit the team for as long as the thrtee players are not selfish..JLIN isn’t..i don’t know the other 2 player?

  • james brown

    Lamb is already signed player..Cliff has lots of time and games to cater to him. The effect of Lamb early signing was to avoid lamb having to exercise more leverage with his salary. he has already a contract , but Jeremy lin and Batum has expiring one (JLIN’s player option)..

    This contract affects the team chemistry for 3 players now in batum, walker and Lin needs the ball (except JLIn who already adapted the off ball type of player).

    If the 3 players played selfishly without consideration to Position,CONTRACT, stats , asg, MVP, or any title even for this year, hornets will be assured of playing great team ball and will win many games.

  • KHuang

    Ironically, this selfish defensiveless freezeoutball by Batum and Walker is hurting Batum and Walker far more than it’s hurting Lin.

    Lin’s GETTING HIS anyway, just like I said Lin would this summer.

  • KHuang

    Clifford is finding out the hard way that nobody other Lin can protect Walker and Batum.

    Ironically, Walker and Batum’s utter refusal to play winning team basketball is forcing Clifford to play the elite two way Lin over the still elite but mostly one way Lamb!

  • KHuang

    ASIAN FOULS

  • KHuang

    I’m OK with Drexler talking trash about Lin in a game where Lin KICKED THE TAR out of the Rockets.

  • KHuang

    The flu is not why Batum is playing poorly.

    SELFISH DEFENSELESS FREEZOUT is why Batum is playing like a SCRUB.

  • KHuang

    The only guy in the entire NBA who can get away shooting contested off balance shots is LIN.

  • KHuang

    He spoke out about the fouling after the game.

  • KHuang

    Because Lin GOT HIS and played WINNING MINUTES.

  • KHuang

    Oliver just BEASTED this game.

  • Rick Johnson

    I know it’s not politically correct to say so but I think some gays have a thing against devout Christian’s. Same with Violet Palmer making biased calls against Lin.

  • real-dsb

    As far as I’m concerned, Lin had a very good game. 13 pts on 6 shots, 5 AST/TO. If it weren’t for the atrocious phantom fouls, Lin would have played closer to 30 minutes and mostly likely won the game for the Hornets.

    Lin closed the last 19 minutes of the game. Clifford trusts Lin. I still think Clifford will come around and start Batum at SF and Lin at SG by the end of the season. (And by SG I mean Lin guards the opposing SG but shares PG/SG duties with Kemba).

  • KHuang

    Popovich doesn’t think Lin is good enough to play in the NBA.

    If Popovich did, Lin would be a Spur for cheap.

    Popovich is from the Larry Brown school that hates Lin.

  • Guest

    Yup, you got it right but it’s never politically correct to say it out.

  • KHuang

    Clifford is solely invested in using Lin to protect Walker and Batum’s bad selfish play.

    But ironically, Lin’s outplaying both of them.

  • Rick Johnson

    I think Jefferson hides Kemba’s poor performance as a PG. You can see it in advanced stats 5 man lineups. Since he’s been gone starters really sink. Lin would play this style better at PG. Kemba poor PG play will be covered up again when Al is back and Hornets will continue to be mediocre.

  • KHuang

    If Harden were officiated fairly, he’d be constantly whistled for palming violations and wouldn’t go to the line more than 7 times a game.

  • KHuang

    Because Lin is a GREAT PLAYER who is used to thriving even alongside bad ballhogs.

  • I am The Jason

    The hole is to deep in Philly for them to make the playoffs.

  • John Focker

    I never figured out what the heck happened with Larry Brown. He used to be a decent coach, and then just went south. Any insight you may share is most appreciated.

  • kjch
  • kjch

    How’s that possible after lins 38 vs Spurs….

  • Lin Win

    Quote Pop on Lin saying he’s not good enough to play in the NBA.

    “If Popovich did, Lin would be a Spur for cheap.”

    I disagree because Spurs roster is packed with guards. If we look at the stat sheets Lin’s resume isn’t quite impressive.

    Pop coached a Round 1 #15 pick that teams gave up on and made him the best Defensive player in the league.

    I don’t believe Pop discriminates!

  • Rick Johnson

    Hard to tell from that angle but I’d suspect Harden lowered his left shoulder and pushed into Lin to knock him off balance. Pretty amazing footwork defending Harden before that though.

  • kjch

    Yeah check the comments. Quite a few ppl mention harden pushed + Lin stepped on hardens foot and tripped

  • kjch

    I agree. It’s a lot more likely that it’s due to current roster. I struggle to believe popovich could think badly of Lin after he dropped 38 on his team…. Not possible

  • 1mtoldman

    made all my comments on the previous thread as is often the case this one didn’t show up for me until tracked to its notification in previous thread.

    but a lot of good comments on that previous thread by others. lin fans seem to be seeing the game as it was.

    and overall lin and hornets going in opposite directions; really 8 strait for the most part good games by lin, 4 of 5 loses for the hornets.

    as losses mount (looking at schedule ahead if team plays as it is now dont see how they wont) perhaps changes will occur but mostly that will just be a return to the dreaded “al-fense” once jefferson returns.

    still: lin has turned his season around, seems to have figured out how to produce within what he’s given. and is heading up in value as the team is heading down.

  • 1mtoldman

    agree with the first paragraph

    believe the second paragraph wishful thinking only.

  • 1mtoldman

    you are correct sir; in fact in the 5 games 4 loses for hornets lin has been playing some of his best basketball of the season while batum and walker are regressing to the mean and playing some of their worst (if im enthusiastic enuf ill post some numbers later of just how bad batum/walker have been recently).

  • 1mtoldman

    the harden primary correlative: double digit harden ft’s = rockets win.
    less than double digit harden ft’s= rockets 500 team (or this season, much worse).

  • 1mtoldman

    this is the worst example ever of what poverty stream chaters refer to as: ref ball.

  • 1mtoldman

    yes. lin is (it took him awhile to figure out how but) “getting his”. last 8 games #’s very postive; while batum and walkers are going south faster than a carpetbagger (old people or students of history may know what this phrase refers to)

  • 1mtoldman

    i dont think batum will be back.

  • 1mtoldman

    for big al “smoking” gun might be a better metaphor.

  • 1mtoldman

    lin has higher career scoring average per game than batum.

  • JoeTeam

    Yeeup

  • JoeTeam

    I was really trying to figure your how much time they would let go until they fouled Lin out.

  • JoeTeam

    Then let’s give it a try cuz your a cool Lin fan.

  • JoeTeam

    I like what you said, my bit deserves respect.

  • rookie75094

    What do you expect…kkklutchfans is a Jlin hating site started by a racist hater kkklutch.

  • kjch

    Sorry I’m not sure I understand your comment. My expectation was a bunch of commenters laughing at jlins defense … Instead most of the comments on the video just say that harden pushed /Lin tripped and that title is wrong

  • Brent Yen

    I call it “The Lin test”, so far…not many passed it

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I have seen so many second guessing on Clifford about Jeremy.
    The bottom line is that the Eastern Conference is so intensely competitive that almost all teams are eligible for playoff because their difference seems so minimal. There are so many good teams competing for the playoff berth. All of them differ by a game or two. Every team has to play at their best in order to get to the playoff. Coach Clifford is well aware of it. That helps Jeremy a lot to get his minutes because he’s now by far one of the top players that the Hornet have. They need him to finiish the game.

    Clifford is giving Lin the minutes and the confidence. It’s all good. The only thing that can keep Jeremy off the court in this game is his fouls. I wouldn’t think Clifford is unfair to Jeremy at all given the situation the Hornets is in.

  • 1mtoldman

    hornets starters minus zeller missed 32 of 42 fga’s last nite.
    assuming zeller will no longer be a starter once big al returns this does not bode well for the future success and productivity of the “starters”.

  • Brent Yen

    I don’t agree…but CLT still winning and Lin is getting minutes…no complain here

  • Brent Yen

    And ppl who know “statistics” will say Lin is correlated to losing…

  • LinJa

    please no. Not the sixers. Hoping for JLin to go to the worst team in the NBA? really? nah man, at least with the Hornets he will be in the playoffs.

  • NONONO

    Lin could have been assigned better role or more minutes. But I have to say, we might be going to see the most exciting season in Lin’s NBA career, because every game is going to have big impact on Hornets’ playoff chances for the rest of season (unless Hornets gives up). We are going to see the true value out of every player.

  • KHuang

    Haters that don’t know stats get BADLY DEBUNKED when they try that.

    At least on the other site, the hate trolls now know better than to flaunt stats after repeated punkings from veteran NBA fans.

  • KHuang

    I go by ACTIONS.

    The Spurs roster lost Belinelli and Joseph. They were not packed with guards.

    Popovich could have signed Lin for $2 million.

    Never would, never will.

  • KHuang

    Do you see Lin as a $2 million Spurs replacement of sucky Marco Belinelli or crappy Cory Joseph, both of whom earn much more than Lin despite producing far less?

    NO.

    If Popovich loved Lin so much, Lin would be a Spur.

  • NONONO

    Only thing i do not agree with you is that Clifford should let Lin instead of Kemba to play pg in entire 4th quarter.

  • KHuang

    Larry Brown claimed that “Lin cannot start in the NBA”.

    But that statement alone is not why Larry Brown is no longer coaching.

    The reason Larry Brown is not coaching is because he is a toxic vagabond coach who favors superstars and beats on role players to the point that every team he’s ever been on mutineed against him.

    Brown is a Lin hater, which is predictable because Brown has a history of hating media hated players in order to push his own career.

  • KHuang

    Unfortunately, we are seeing Walker and Batum’s true value as SELFISH DEFENSELESS superstar wannabes that cannot win.

  • NONONO

    Maybe Popovich did not “promise” Lin anything like Cliff did. Cliff’s seems to keep some of “promises” in recent games. Same to Lin’s chance for Worriers.

  • Rick Johnson

    CLT has lost the last 4 out of 5 games. They could fix the problem by having Lin control the ball more but they don’t. Lin as SG helps and mitigates some of the problems of Walker at PG but isn’t as good as Lin at PG. I don’t see Walker picking up fouls like that though. If Lin was a starting PG and picked up 3 fouls in 2 minutes I’m not sure what the Hornets would do. Though I thought they were BS fouls it doesn’t stop the officials from calling them.

  • sws94

    He doesn’t need to play PG. He needs to be involved in the offense and get touches. He scored 10 points in the 4Q not playing PG, might have been 13 had he not missed 3 FTs. He had 5 assists, I think all in that quarter. But Kemba touched the ball too much, not Batum so much. Lin has to be more active in the offense and he would if Kemba/Batum would swing the ball around the horn and not keep it to one side.

  • sws94

    Lin is needed badly in his role as it stands. Roberts is pathetic trying to run the 2nd unit. Lin or Kemba has to and Kemba isn’t going to the bench. He needs to control the ball more. SG, PG, PF whatever you call him doesn’t matter. Just needs to control the ball, get the ball passed to him in most sets. He then establishes rhythm and good things happen. They may not win every game, but they have a better chance to.

  • kjch

    I didn’t say popovich loves Lin. Merely pointing out that your comment that popovich doesn’t want Lin to play in the NBA doesn’t seem reasonable.

  • Rick Johnson

    That type of play has already knocked them out of playoff picture to #9. See if they continue with that. As I said previously nothing was going to change as long as they kept winning. We’ll see how much losing they can stomach.

  • xeroid

    The problem is when Lin and Walker play together, Walker usually go the other direction, away from Lin, so Lin has no touch, unless he force his way to rebound, but he’s suppose to drop back for defense.

  • sws94

    Kemba did not play like an SG for the game last night. He took 10 shots, that’s it. In the first quarter, go back and watch the game, he distributed the ball. He’s beginning to be inspired by Lin perhaps and use dribble/drive penetration and dish off to team mates. I think his problem wasn’t that he played like an SG, it was more he played like a street-balling PG and hung onto the ball too much rather than look for Lin to play off of. He did receive a nice pass from Lin for a 3 he knocked down (right before getting a tech) and that could happen more if he played off of Lin more. He shot poorly 3-10 but everyone has those nights. The play he made late to Cody was a very good play, Cody just either was fouled by Jones or missed the dunk. Lin had a lot of good plays in the 4th, good kickouts to shooters. Lin just made plays despite not enough touches.

    I don’t think Lin’s position on the court is as important as if he’s in the flow of the offense. I know what the stats say but if there is possession after possession and he doesn’t touch the ball, he’s not in rhythm. It’s up to Cliff to make sure that when Lin is on the court with Kemba and Batum he gets more touches, more into the flow and doesn’t not see the ball on the other side of the court (weak side). It’s touches, not the position he’s playing, he needs.

  • sws94

    The playoff standings are fluid. They go on a 3-game win streak and the standings are good. They just need to stay close and they’ll be fine until some teams start pulling away. Hopefully they’ll be one of the teams that does.

  • sws94

    I agree. He has to look for Lin and they can then play off of each other. That’s what they did more of in the Toronto game.

  • sws94

    Stupid Hardisty started a thread over there and he said Lin got destroyed by Harden. He said nothing of the times Lin stopped Harden and forced him to pass or Lin rammed the ball down Harden’s throat. Clutchfans is a disgrace, the worse basketball forum I’ve read.

  • Acbc

    In The summer I had written that there are 3 keys to Lin’s revival this year. Every one predicated upon the desire to win.

    1/ whether MJ would rather be the brilliant expert owner or would he’d rather have the Hornets win.

    2/ whether CHO would rather have his draft choices and FAs do very well to promote his GM abilities or would he rather have the Hornets win.

    3/ whether Clifford would have the backboard to withstand the pressure from the FO to play their own chosen players to promote as stars or would he rather win.

    Obviously so far politics is more important than winning. Lin has been used more to prop up starters in order for THEM to win than actually about using Lin to win. Many of the losses including last 2 games was no matter how well Lin played, the starters couldn’t close the deal. It is what it is, we’ll just have to stomach it till the end of the season.

    Sixers however will be all about winning. No politics, just go out and win. Owner, GM, coach, players and fans want to win. Everything is lined up perfectly for lining. Lin Lin Lin baby.

  • Hope

    Lin and Kaminski are becoming cha best players. Both are getting better every game. DMO is jealous.

  • kjch

    Ok was wondering… Above comment didn’t make any sense to me in terms of what I posted. I was merely expressing my mild surprise that YouTube commenters seemed to be on lins side or at least not against him. I didn’t mention clutch fans at all lol

  • sws94

    To be honest, most of the “superstars” palm the ball.

  • Whitman Lam

    Harden with the offensive foul shoving off on Lin. Refs don’t call it.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here’s a site that gives statistics on NBA referees, as the main ref and as a member of the crew :

    http://www.nbastuffer.com/referee_stats

    You can filter by the name of the ref and whether they are the main ref or one of the crew. The stats you get are :

    Games officiated
    Home team win %
    Home team pts diff.
    Tot. Points per game
    Called fouls per game
    Road team foul %
    Home team foul %
    Road techs per game
    Home techs per game

  • LAJane

    Well…when the refs can give Kemba a technical for just clapping, for God’s sake, then in this case I think it’s less Asian than it is very aggressive favoring of the home team. Of course they’re gonna call phantom cr*p on Lin – they know who the most dangerous weapon is. Neutralize him first, if you can get away with it, and then start picking off everyone else.

  • LAJane

    Mr. Elite :). It just make me chuckle so much watching the Pesky One flapping around Jeremy, who so easily blocked him with an arm or a hip while just movin’ on through.

  • webattorney

    Yeap. Lin just not involved as much in offense. Also, Hornets trying to focus on creating 3s but they are not good 3 point shooters like GSW. Hornets not going to make the playoff playing this way. When their 3s don’t fall, they can lose to almost any team.

  • tom

    well have to agree to disagree
    he gets respect from the whole league considered one of the best players to ever play the game thats a fact

  • webattorney

    Honestly, I thought it was a good move by Harden without fouling Lin, one of few good moves by Harden against Lin. I cannot believe how Harden initiates the contact and gets foul calls against not only Lin but other players. Lin played good D against Harden most of times.

  • webattorney

    That’s what happens when Hornets lose to Rockets. That guy hates Lin for some reason. I can understand why he hates Lin fans though, but I don’t understand how he can hate the former Rockets player. Really weird.

  • webattorney

    I didn’t feel Lin stepped on Harden’s foot but merely touched his foot. I am almost 100% that was not foul by Harden though. On the issue of whether Lin stepped on Harden’s foot, I am not certain, although I believe Lin just touched his foot with Harden’s foot. All in all, no big deal and a good move by Harden — one of rare good move by Harden. Harden definitely wanted to show up Lin at least once.

  • Batum is definitely trying to be someone he’s not as an SG.

  • If only MJ, Clifford and Cho clarify how they should play.
    MKG coming back next year might be the puzzle but they should maximize this year’s results with the roster that they have

  • xeroid

    Precisely, when he stands on the right side of the court the ball always go left and Lin has no touch, even when the ball gets back to center Lin was still missing in action. Like the turnover by Kemba late in 4th quarter Kemba does move right and he can pass to Lin, instead he forced the dribble into paint and a resulting turnover caused Rocket run to 5 points lead when he can pass to Lin for a 3, and maybe 3 points lead.

  • sws94

    Al will come back and they need Frank who is improving. They can shoot some 3s but they need to shoot mid-range and get to the rim and create. 1 in 4 out works but the out doesn’t have to be behind the arc.

  • Batum certainly has FA in mind. And Hornets wants him to play as an SG.
    This will likely go on for all season long.

    Lin is fully aware of Hornets investment to woo Batum back to play next to MKG. Let’s see how many losses would happen before major changes will be implemented

  • tom

    I dont see Lin mesh well with Popovich
    They just have different vibes
    I can see Pops yell at Lin then bench him after a TO

  • tom

    I don’t know where you got the “Sixers however will be all about winning” from. So far they have been about the opposite and that team is full of politics. Fans want to win for sure but thats about it. Philadelphia isn’t where Lin should be right now. Charlotte are still doing well and hes given more PT and more trust from Coach. He’s in a good place

  • NONONO

    NBA refs could be more ugly than you can imagine.

    “You would think that the NBA would love a guy who plays such great defense. Think again! Star stoppers hurt the promotion of marquee players. Fans don’t pay high prices to see players like Raja Bell — they pay to see superstars like Kobe Bryant score 40 points. ” Basketball purists like to see good defense, but the NBA wants the big names to score big points.

    Could you see it last night?

    “You would think that the NBA would love a guy who plays such great defense. Think again! Star stoppers hurt the promotion of marquee players. Fans don’t pay high prices to see players like Jeremy Lin — they pay to see superstars like James Harden score 40 points. ”

    http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

  • PETE B

    Rockets interim coach J.B. Bickerstaff is a big fan of Jeremy Lin
    By Jonathan Feigen on December 21, 2015 at 9:22 PM
    http://blog.chron.com/ultimate
    Jeremy Lin’s only trip to Houston this season allowed at least one of his fans to see him in action, even if Rockets interim coach J.B. Bickerstaff admitted that he hoped Lin would struggle much more than he has through most of this season.
    “I love Jeremy,” said Bickerstaff. “He was one of my favorites I ever coached. His attitude was always good. He was always about the right things. He never got caught up in Linsanity. He wanted to help the team win. That was the only thing that mattered to him. Every time I see him having success, I’m happy for him. I’m proud of him. He found a great fit in Charlotte.”
    Hornets coach Steve Clifford has cited Lin’s competitiveness, with Bickerstaff saying the Rockets saw that in his brief, first stint with the team.
    “That was one of the things that stood out to all of us, how competitive he was, to the point he came to the coaches and asked for more floor time in practice to prove that he could do the things he knew he was capable of doing,” Bickerstaff said. “He is ultra-competitive. We had some practices with him and James (Harden) and Pat (Beverley) where they were going heads up and they were getting into it and he didn’t back down. That’s his personality. That’s his makeup.”
    jonathan.feigen@chron.com
    twitter.com/jonathan_feigen

  • kjch

    Right.. For simplicity, let’s just say it was 50/50 call. I find it interesting that commenters weren’t jumping all over Lin. I was expecting “Lin got owned” comments but instead, comments were almost in Lins favor. Tbh, I don’t really care whether it was a foul or not lol… I just find it interesting that Lin has seemingly gained more support, at the very least, less hate. It could also just be ppl trolling harden… Lol

  • CJSHYY

    So Al will be back soon… I thought he will be traded … looks like not after all…??

    https://twitter.com/theobserver/status/679168138517196800

  • golfhacker

    Sixers can’t tank forever.

  • Dan Cohen

    yeah… so when lin starts to score..the ref starts to give him calls.. notice that?

  • Dan Cohen

    starts to score as in gaining the momentum so the game is interestingly close.

  • Dan Cohen

    why is that.. did you see signs of dmo to lin?

  • Dan Cohen

    seriouslY? not hating but can you point in the video where harden pushes lin down? just seems like lin caught the edge of harden’s shoes and then he tripped back.. it was recoverable, but he just fell…now I don’t know was lin trying to flop because that is a BIG falling back.

  • JoeTeam

    and that hipping foul at the end there where Jeremy went sprawling, that was a feeble Russell Westbrook tackle attempt thank goodness Bev went hip level and pulled up.

  • golfhacker

    The foul calls against Jeremy last night don’t surprise me. But the one foul call that made me incredulous was the one where Harden got bumped (by Hairston?) behind the 3 point line in the first quarter. The ref blew the whistle while Harden had the ball in his right hand. We know Harden shoots left-handed. AFTER the whistle blows, Harden then switches the ball from his right hand to his left and tries to shoot the ball. And the freaking ref calls a shooting foul and gives Harden three foul shots. If the foul is committed while the ball is in his right hand, how the h*** can it be in the act of shooting? Someone needs to send that clip to the league office and that ref should be reprimanded.

  • Dan Cohen

    that is why I’m wondering if subconsciously it has mental affect on lin because its playing with his old teammates and he doesn’t want to usurp them… but if you do that people will look at you saying you can’t play against your old rox …that’s why they traded you. You have to go and stand up for yourself and don’t disappoint and careless if you up them…it’s basketball.

    The whole that reminds me of this section of Jet Li vs Wushu master where jet didn’t want to hurt that master, so he took a little beating and the audience there was like yes..see..blah..and then he saw the disappointment or sadness of that girls face when Li was down.. so Li came back up and ready to fight and EASILY kicked the wushu master’s azz to not disappoint that girl..and the audience was shock:

  • JoeTeam

    agree that fouls was on Harden’s cut not a shot. Can they interpret that as continuation?

  • golfhacker

    No way. When the foul was committed, he wasn’t in the act of shooting, unless you think he was attempting a right hand shot at first.

  • Dan Cohen

    good someone sent that to nba officials AND to the entire nba for EVERYONE to see how the REFS IN HOUSTON are bias..and embarrass the refs there.

    Good thing this is not about lin, else some might ignore it.

  • JoeTeam

    Ha ha, I just edited a reply upstream and it goes like this:

    Harden D gives anyone a chance to get to Hall of Fame. Though we loved JLin’s 4Q production, you know, JLin was always going to have a good game because of Harden. Now, if only the refs would have let us have 30-35 mins of that by being fair. 25pts in this no-LinO culture? Maybe so.

  • JoeTeam

    League Cleanup: Since NBA moved to stop 6-er tanking, they need to do other housekeeping like ending the biases against certain players and ending Harden extra-special superstar treatment.

  • sws94

    I totally agree. I know many Lin fans love D’Antoni and think Lin goes there and all this wonderful stuff happens with a reunion but none of that is guaranteed. The biggest issue I have is fans not seeing Philadelphia for what it is as the worst team in the NBA. They aren’t about winning and they’ve done absolutely nothing to show that they are. The best thing to say about the Sixers is they have a great associate coach so let’s see if he can make any positive impact on the team towards winning. That’s it. They are absolutely a losing team and they’ll have politics just like any other NBA team. To think that there is not one team in the NBA, NHL, NFL or MLB that doesn’t have politics is unrealistic.

  • JoeTeam

    league is clamping down on their tanking, and the hired a guy who is supposed to drive change, with incentives.

  • sws94

    Well at least the basket counted. Lin made a great pass to Kaminsky who hit a shot and a bogus offensive foul was called on Hawes. Those refs had an agenda. Call it home cooking or anti-Clif or whatever, but it was obvious.

  • JoeTeam

    I agree, Jeremy was there for a few of the cuts, but Harden just kept it going because he’s good and O has the advantage, and Jeremy just lost his balance on the last one. It wasn’t like the Curry breaking CPaul ankles like last year – IIRC, that was just one move. Edit: Whitman spotted a shoulder charge … nice call he’s right.

  • JoeTeam

    Oh, you are totally right, I didn’t see that left shoulder charge. Good spot!

  • JoeTeam

    and whitman lam here spotted a shoulder charge with your video.

  • JoeTeam

    Dan cohen, it was in the under basket view at the end of the vid … the Harden charge is clear. He shoved Lin down with his shoulder, a cheat he’s good at.

  • JoeTeam

    nope, Lin tried to win. 10 pts in 4Q is proof. He just had 2 missed FTs, and yep, I’ve seen the best do that too.

  • JoeTeam

    you are right, just look at the last view from under the basket and it’s as clear as day.

  • JoeTeam

    re=look at that under-basket view and let me know what you think – at the end of the vid.

  • JoeTeam

    lol, any call you don’t get is 50/50.

  • Chopz

    Exactly, he didn’t back down when he was with rockets. And he didn’t back down last night, as we Lin fans already know.

    People who say he’s soft or not agressive don’t know squat. Bickerstaff just revealed what we don’t get to see all the time. Feisty jlin, love it.

  • JoeTeam
  • heart

    Review: Last night game Hornets vs Rox, the refs gave out 4 technical fouls: KW, NB, and Cliff on Hornets, and Howard on Rox. Howard fouled out. Three bogus fouls on Lin. Capela also got 3 fouls in 3 minutes. Tick tack fouls all night long but the end result favored Harden for Rox win.

  • JoeTeam

    Well, small ball is not where any team starts. They just do it to gain and advantage and the other team responds. GSW has never started with small ball as far as I know except to adjust in the finals series, where they did start some games small to change the tide. They are back to Bogut, Fez starting.

  • Chopz

    Remember rockets fans and announcers used to say patrick beverly was better than jlin? Pbev was a no show last night, offense is a joke like usual and he was nowhere to be found in 4th. He can’t ride jlins jockstrap and he gets almost $6 million per year.

  • John Focker

    In his prime Kobe was awesome ISO player who takes over the game, but not one who elevates his teammates. So from the Teamball perspective he ain’t all that. Crowd get wowed because of scoring prowess, Kobe’s basically a non-flopping Harden with excellent work ethics.

    As a person, however, he’s got that rape case on him that anyone would find difficult to respect.

  • Briiick

    Agreed.

  • heart

    Correct me if I’m wrong. Isn’t Jones goal-tended on this play? Zeller had the rock hit the rim and it was about to fall in the basket, but Jones’ hand touched the rim and Zeller’s hand to swat the rock away…?

  • sws94

    Jones hand is outside of the rim. On an attempted dunk his hand would have to knock the ball out from inside the rim. It could have been a foul, however.

  • Hrpuff

    Thanks for bringing that article up…does that mean the NBA has an agenda on JLin? I am beginning to think that “they” really don’t know how to market Lin!

  • heart

    Now that Hornets ranking has slid to 9th and Celtics is right behind at 10th, and both are fighting for a playoff spot. Celtics has won against Hornets in a close game last time. Went back to review why they won was Cliff allowed IT to lit up on KW w/o making adjustments starting in 3Q. The losses will mount and playoffs will be out of reach if things don’t change quickly. Lin can help if Cliff lets him be PG or handle more PG duty instead of standing in the corner 3.

  • occupatio

    last night, team shooting was anomalous. missed many open 3s.

    going forward, unless lin’s role is significantly increased, the team will continue to sputter a little above .500 mark. if batum and kemba shooting regress to their career norms, it wont get any better. kam is the only obviously uptrending player and one whose numbers i expect to increase throughout the season.

  • Steppen03

    “Awesome game, Mr. 4th Q.
    Just four games left on the year, please lead your Hornets to grab these victories. Stand strong, protect the Hive.”

  • kjch

    Lol I didnt really make my point properly. I’m just trying to highlight that commenters on YouTube were treating Lin more than fair given my assumption that viewers see it as 50/50 call. Hey, if it was a 90/10 non-call in favor of harden… Then it’s even more surprising that the commenters were sort of supporting Lin. And these commenters don’t seem to be us usual Lin fans

  • i don’t know how to make such videos, but someone should make a compilation of Harden’s flops from this game. it might not get as popular as his famous “bad defense” video, but such a video might make an impact.

  • kjch

    Dan the man, you are missing the point. I don’t really care whether harden pushed or not, whether Lin tripped or not. I am just pleasantly surprised that the YouTube commenters aren’t dissing Lin in such a video. Usually they’d be all over him but instead… They’re sort of on his side.

  • heart

    Yep. And I think Lin can control the tempo of the game better. Lin knows who or when to pass the rock to and strategically chooses when to make shots for himself. He reads the game flow well and gets his teammates involved to provide teammates confidence in themselves which can translate into better defense/ball movement/better shooting for the team overall.

    In the Wiz game (I think), Batum made at least two passes to Lin when his feet weren’t set yet which resulted in either a turn over or unmade basket. I think Lin usually tries to get his teammates in good position first before passing the rock to them. That’s the difference in Lin’s passing ability.

  • 1mtoldman

    i beleive thats correct and have previously on this post amplified on both the poor shooting and volume shooting of 3’s last nite and the “regress to their career norms” of batum and kemba.

    remember: career wise batum who for some reason was received as some kind of savior has a career scoring average below lins! (received as a bench player). and walker is a carreer 399 % shooter.

    another interesting possible correlative: this season thus far when walker is above his career fg % the hornets win, when he’s not they lose –this significantly more in both directions.

    (i forget the exact %’s).

    this has been especially present over last stretch of hornets losses. and (again looking to the schedule ahead), yes the hornets playing as they have been playing will be hard pressed to keep above 500.

    will that push for changes? will that change just be a reversion to “al-fense” once brewer&shipley’d big al returns? (if yer a music historian you will know that reference).

    it will be interesting to see.

  • 1mtoldman

    tho its obviously spin the “league” insists they didn’t interfere in philadelphia.

  • Chopz

    Excellent points Coach Heart.

  • heart

    Thanks.

  • David Kim

    Boston became pretty good team after tanking many years. I think it will happen in sixers too if they let Lin starts as PG.
    There is a reason why they hired colangelo and MDA.

  • Whitman Lam

    NBA basically has 3 modes of officiating: Season opener mode where rookies and young players get a chance to shine, All Star selection mode where the refs protect and coddle superstars to pad their stats, Playoff mode which usually starts around late March and April where refs will swallow the whistle and allow teams to play more “Physical” defense.

  • NONONO

    The competitions in East conf. have been much more intense than MJ and Clifford expected.I hope it could be a perfect storm for Lin to enjoy play some exciting games.

  • sws94

    He may, Kemba doing the PG duties by himself isn’t working. He needs Lin’s help and he needs to guard IT and put Kemba on someone else when they are on the court together. Lin needs to guard the other team’s best player if he is shorter, same height, or not too much taller than Lin is.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Why did Kemba pick up a technical?…Did he said something to the ref?..It sure didn’t look like he said anything.

  • sws94

    Thanks. McHale would never say anything like that. Always, he’s a nice kid. Bickerstaff talks about his abilities and competitiveness. Glad to read this from Coach Bickerstaff.

  • 1mtoldman

    goran dragic caught kicked out second tech the other nite for just saying “what” to an official. was first time in his carreer he’s ever a tech even much less an ejection.

  • 1mtoldman

    the season is one third over!

    this is no longer a small sample size. do what they’ve done two more times and thats it.

    at this point hornets are losing 2 out of 3 games on the road

    and they are losing 2 out of 3 games when face of the franchise kemba walker shoots at or below his career fg% of .399 (and he does that about half the time).

    further: they’ve lost 4 of their last 5 and the only win came only thru a big dose of hairsanity and still required an overtime and (at least one poster here suggested) divine intervention to discount the theoretic winning shot by the other team negated by a previously called timeout.

    in those last 5 games the primary players (they play the most minutes they score the most points they take the most shots) for the hornets batum/walker (with jefferson out)

    are respectively hitting (walker) 35% overall and 22% on threes
    and (batum in the games he’s played) 37% overall and 20% on threes

    lin meanwhile in those 5 games has turned around a declining season with his best performances to date. (hitting over 50% of his shots overall and 40% of his threes while averaging over 17 points and over 4 assists per game).

    so while lin is on the upswing the batum/walker led hornets are definitely on the down.

    a question mite be: where will the two meet? (and how will big al affect this when he comes back from his caught brewer&shipley’d suspension).

    extra points for musicologists who “get” the brewer&shipley’d reference.

  • heart

    The Hornets commentators thought the whistle was on a Rox player at first. They were surprised when they heard ref gave the tech to KW for clapping after a made basket in corner 3 in front of the Rox bench from Lin’s pass.

  • stam

    Not sure if Clifford is willing to make that adjustment, either due to politics or he just doesn’t see it.

  • sws94

    That’s ridiculous. These officials need to get over themselves.

  • sws94

    If they want to give themselves a better chance to win, he’ll have to do so. And Kemba will have to do it too. And Batum.

  • kjch

    Yup not to mention his HS coach said in an interview that Jlin is “cutthroat” on the court.

  • LAJane

    That was a fun movie story line, but has nothing to do with Lin. His career isn’t fiction and he is quiet but RELENTLESS about winning.

  • Linzen

    Thanks Blubell for the highlight.
    I’m not mad at this loss. I’m not mad at Lin’s missed FT. I’m not even mad at the refs (they are just incompetent)
    But, I am mad as h*** with the three stooges! I hate them with a passion… Drexler’s condescending tone towards Lin’s game. Their stupid comments about Patrick taking advantage of Lin’s defence. I wanted to throw my tv out the window!!!!

  • blubell
  • Acbc

    Google why the league took over and forced chnage in GM and parachuted Colangelo in. The NBA is forcing them to stop tanking or else. Then MDA was hired because of their past history with the Suns.

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  • KHuang

    So far, the ONLY player who’s successfully scored on Lin this season is Harden and Harden needed all the ref cheating help he could get to barely win the game.

  • KHuang

    If Lin were running the offense more, Lamb and Hawes would score significantly more.

    Lin playing less PG lately hurts Lamb more than it hurts Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I like the idea….LOL!

  • The Celtics Voting poll is up.

    I voted 18pts/7asts. The combination of losing streak and JLin’s effective playmaking will push Clifford to run plays for Jeremy to heat up Kemba and Batum 3s for easy shots. And they’re at home.

    A Hornets close win & JLin maintaining 17pts/gm average!

  • KHuang

    The NBA believes that it cannot make money without rigging the refs.

  • KHuang

    The league office probably TOLD the refs to give Harden every call and to try to knock Lin out.

  • KHuang

    It’s not guaranteed that the Sixers are bad for Lin either.

  • KHuang

    Charlotte Hornets have THE WORST starting lineup in the NBA.

    Adding Lin to the starters doesn’t help at all because the starters are deliberately freezing Lin out.

    Lin can only do so much to offset Walker and Batum’s terrible play.

  • Please helpt to retweet. Hope we can beat $4100 fundraising amount last year
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    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/679430572096094209

  • sws94

    Lamb’s scoring is almost dependent on Lin. Hawes would score more, but he really messes up a lot of good Lin feeds.

  • sws94

    That makes no sense. How are they worse than the 76er’s starting lineup or the Nets? Walker and Batum don’t always play bad and sometimes one plays better than the other. I think they tend to play not great during crunch time, but at least Walker makes a strong effort and sometimes, he does good things.

  • Acbc

    It’s probably spin for sure. I sure this was started when Okafor sued the league for drafting him into a tanking club as misrepresentation. If that suit does come to court, the league will face major scandal in the media.

  • Acbc

    You admit that Lin is able to get other involved as PG. so why do you insist that he play as SG with Kemba and Batum? It’s FO politics that is getting in the way of what is best for the Hornets.

  • sws94

    I don’t insist on anything. I’m not running the team and speak of the current system and philosophy and real conditions that Lin currently plays in.

    Kemba is there to play PG and Lin joined the team to help Kemba out. As it turns out, Lin is one of the most important parts of the team where he has 2 distinct roles. One is to be another facilitator/ball handler with Kemba and the other is to be the PG of the 2nd unit when Kemba isn’t on the floor. He’s also by far the best defensive guard. I don’t get into unknown politics, all teams have them. On the floor, Lin is fulfilling his role well and I hope to see it expand with cooperation from coach and Kemba and Batum.

    I place little importance to the term SG because Lin is playing his type of game but it isn’t heavy in PnR as they don’t have great PnR big men. It’s something different, 1 in 4 out and Lin looking to dish to a lot of perimeter shooting big men or get them free through his penetration and take the shot or dish to them or other shooters. The only thing he is not doing is initiating the offense when Kemba’s on and it is up to Kemba to involve Lin more (and if needed, under Cliff’s instructions).

  • Spot

    And MKG is coming back too.

  • Lin Win

    That’s what coaches do! No favorites in the team! Duncan, Parker and Manu have all been yelled at.

  • blubell

    Hairsanity all the way! 😛

  • blubell
  • sws94

    I really don’t know. I hope for 18/7 but Lin may need to start scoring 21-24 to help this team. If someone else gets hot he may not need to. It all depends on what’s needed. So points are really hard to say, even assists. I think we see Bradley on Lin some next game. He’s seriously tough to go against.

  • Spot

    We should stop to say Hairsanity. Cause Clifford then don’t get it well and make Hairston play!

  • Yascar

    @psalm234 cray idea. Why don’t we give Jeremy his favorite gel as a present along with the donation? I bet it will make his day. ?If you tell me how exactly I’ll donate to this site for the gel! Hairsanity!

  • occupatio

    i never heard of okafor suing league

  • blubell
  • Spot

    Definitely.

  • KHuang

    Because the Hornets starters are no longer interested in playing teamball at any point in the game.

    The league has caught up with them and they’re being badly exposed.

    Right now, they are THE WORST.

  • blubell
  • KHuang

    Lin’s NEVER had trouble going against Bradley.

  • KHuang

    We need to see Kemba and Batum running the offense and playing defense.

  • DX

    We need to see Kemba and Batum running the properly offense and playing defense.

  • CJSHYY
  • CJSHYY
  • sport

    Who is Onexim and what does this mean for Lin?

  • LOL … great idea 🙂
    I don’t know where to buy the gel, though

    What’s the brand?

  • sport

    Another PG bites the dust playing for the Rockets and Morey.

  • I am The Jason

    Mikhail Prokhorov’s company. He now owns 100% of the Nets

  • NONONO

    I wish Alibaba got it.

  • rookie75094

    Posts from at the hive…..Time to start Lin,
    and move out Hairston (shooting .328 from the field and no eye-popping defense to justify that), Batum to his natural position at SF who’s proving to be meh as a premier ballhandler.

    Lin has been great on D (which Clifford noted, which is why he’s doubled Lamb’s minutes lately).

    Lin’s only weakness beginning reg season was shooting down from typical years (and amazing preseason), but all of a sudden his shooting this season is now back to respectable/par, and on a trajectory up commensurate with his increase in minutes (as opposed to Kemba and Batum trajectory down lately):

    – .436 from the field this year (tied with kemba, higher than batum’s .419, and higher than Lin with Lakers; Lin is a career .437 shooter)
    – .325 from 3PT (which after a bad start has climbed above what he shot for the knicks, and above kemba’s 3PT% for both last yr and kemba’s career).

    Let Lin actually play PG when he’s on the court without Kemba (staggering with Kemba to help the bench), and keep Batum more as the #1 option scorer but as a catch-and-shoot option pushing Kemba and Lin to get him his shot.

    Do that even after Big Al’s return to play heavy 1st half minutes, and this team continues in the top half of the East.

    by steveprost on Dec 22, 2015 | 5:14 PM reply
    tpts5609
     Agreed
    This team is good and should make the playoffs. With Al Jefferson being out has shown a weakness. I hate losing 4 or 5. Lin as a starter is worth a try.

    by tpts5609 onon Dec 22, 2015 | 7:33 PM up reply

  • CJSHYY

    Indeed. Don’t forget Harden. He’s the key why all these PGs couldn’t do well. smh!

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. I am surprised to see Onexim got 100% ownership bc I thought he’s going to sell Nets?!

  • It makes too much sense.
    But will politics get in the way of things?

    If the Hornets want to make playoff, they need to start & finish Lin to help Kemba and Batum score better.
    Setting the tone to start the game to gain momentum is as important as finishing strong.
    This climbing back up from 10+ pts deficit is getting really old and is not sustainable.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The graveyard for all PGs is called Houston Rockets

  • sport

    Yea but great PGs like Dragic and Lowry have been wasted in Rockets way before Harden. Especially Lowry he hates Mchale.

  • LAJane

    Alibaba has their hands full maneuvering to stay ahead of TenCent, Baidu and other internet and online-to-offline competitors. They might see owning a US basketball team as an advertising opportunity, but it’s hard to see them having a clue about how to properly manage a sports team front office in such a different culture and business.

  • CJSHYY

    From at the hive? Wow! Hope Hornets can do it ….

  • occupatio

    he could still sell the nets.

  • occupatio

    makes too much sense, therefore it won’t happen.

  • Briiick

    76ers are no longer connected to Morey any more.

  • CJSHYY

    They are lucky.

  • CJSHYY

    Good.

  • 4-5 more losses then it might happen

  • I see the trend that Kemba and Batum can make easier shots when Lin set them up. Knowing Lin, he knows he needs to get his teammates to heat up to win so he’ll try his hardest to set them up.

    Let’s hope so. Lin setting up everyone for wide-open shots are trends that people can see in the past few games

  • sws94

    It’s a Lin’s fans wish that just doesn’t seem on the horizon as of now. What we’re getting is Lin more in the game and playing higher minutes plus now solidly slotted to finish games. But starting, no. I think what showed yesterday how poor Roberts is at running the second unit and why Lin is trusted to run it. It’s not only organizing the unit, but getting pretty much all the guys proper shots on that unit. And that unit bails out the starters 4 out of 5 games.

    And I agree, not sustainable. When they figure it out I think they’ll try Frank with the starters. But first they have to see what Al does.

  • Briiick

    I made similar suggestion yesterday. After all, KW is not as toxic as Harden.

  • JoeTeam

    hmmm … then all biz is rigged lol.

  • occupatio

    last time you said 7-8 losses before it happens. you are getting more optimistic. please exercise some self-restraint haha

  • JoeTeam

    I read an article that described now they were clamping down on them and the also in the same article they talked about that guy they hired in to make them win. Then a week later MDA got in the picture. Just passing along the timeline I saw.

  • Lin Win

    Lin’s shooting motion is really ugly. It’s like he’s trying to catapult his shot from the side of the head like a mild version of Boozer’s shot.
    I’m no expert on shooting motions so I don’t have the credentials to criticize that but there must be a better way.

  • JoeTeam

    Yes, I got what you mean. I was just quipping along. Thx …

  • sport

    How so? GM Hinkie is still there though no? Still don’t get why Hinkie hasn’t been fired.

  • Lin Win

    Man sucks for Ty Lawson. A stellar double double guard turns into a scrub player thanks to the Rockets and the Harden effect.
    If this Nugget Guard who is averaging double double and can’t play along side Harden then how could Lin?

  • occupatio

    and what will Al do for the team when he comes back?

  • Yascar

    I thought someone tweeted the brand out once but I can’t find it. Will look some more. ?

  • CJSHYY

    Anyone knows why CP moved to bench? He played 15 min for today in 1st half…

  • sws94

    Provides post scoring and rebounding. Would have helped with some teams.

  • sws94

    Recovering from injury.

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! Still….Thanks.

  • JLin17Fan

    James Harden is the Phantom… he gets phantom fouls called on his defenders… hehehehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiWdZfkBGiI

  • your son’s voltaire

    this says so much about Lin. i mean, an all-star level point guard caves to a mere third of a season marginalization compared to what Lin had to endure all these years who actually improves year by year

  • Acbc

    Lame duck coach and GM

  • occupatio

    Last time against Boston , cliff got out coached. Stevens even cross matched the backcourt assignments and cliff let him get away with it. IT was guarding PJ lol
    On top of that cliff couldn’t think outside the box to let Lin cover IT. Or exploit that matchup on other end.
    We shall see if cliff learned anything.

  • tom

    Yeah…itll be a different kind of yelling

  • your son’s voltaire

    cliff gets outcoached simply by starting PJ which is almost as bad as scott starting thr headofsnake, mchale starting patbev, smart starting acie law…

  • tom

    or are they? is that why they are still 1-25? thats not tanking? oh wow
    I guess if you have 1 win with 25losses you are trying to win and not tanking at all..hmm makes so much sense

  • Dan Cohen

    I hate losing 4 or 5. Lin as a starter is worth a try.

    Nice rhythm..love the chime.

  • Dan Cohen

    makes too much sense, but it’s 2 million dollars.

  • Dan Cohen

    hahahah before you know it.. the season has like 5 games left and will say.. 5 more losses then it might happened.hahhaha

  • tom

    He’s a snake for sure
    Not everyone is a fan of teamball
    People can enjoy basketball differently
    Not everyone has to admire the teamball only and bash good skilled Iso players

  • tom

    Theres just so much uncertainty they need to show some progress first

  • tom

    Patrick Beverley is not all that bad, he has proven he is not a scrub who is useless.
    Ronnie Price is just bad had no business playing 30mins at all
    PJ doesnt play more than 20 mins like its not too bad

  • John Focker

    PJ does not belong in the NBA, D-Leaguer at best. I seriously thought he was not gonna make the cut after the preseason, very surprised that he stayed at all, and even more so that he starts.

  • tom

    Yeah looks a little short

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Only might happen when Hornets is out of playoffs contingent.

  • tom

    I like the rotation right now, he leads the bench and plays around 30mins
    If he starts, majority of the time he’s ball wathcing

  • tom

    He’s awful but I dont think hes that bad like a typical NBA scrub, poor mans MKG

  • John Focker

    The PG revolving door in Houston is spinning so fast that it can double as a turbine.

  • tom

    Well Lin at least was used as the 6th man and he produced Lawson is completely useless when hes not the primary ball handler hes never an all star imo

  • sws94

    you do? I think he’s in a position that makes sense for the team. He comes in and has the responsibility to maintain the lead or get it back by infusing a good energy in the lineup and basically plays straight until the end of the half. When he comes in he plays with Kemba, then his own squad, then with Batum, then both and the starters minus PJ. You don’t get this infusion of energy if he starts, he’s almost a waste as Batum and Walker do much of the work. You also expose him to the possibility of getting fouls (he’s vulnerable to the offensive foul especially).

    Is it ideal? No. Could he be used more? yes. But he has quite a huge role.

  • sws94

    1-28. Do they play tonight? Then they have a chance at 2-28.

  • tom

    Yah, he can be used more but this team is committed to Batum and Kemba
    Lin’s getting the most of the situation. Can’t really ask for more
    This is still better than Last year with the Lakers and they have a winning record. Things are good I’d say

  • John Focker

    Point well taken. Personally I see NBA ISO ball as glorified street ball, which can be very entertaining to watch, but it deviates from the team sport nature. I LOVE watching the ball move rather than stagnate (dribble dribble dribble), and miss the good old days when 3-on-2 fast breaks actually meant something.

  • occupatio

    PJ is no great talent, but even if you inserted Lin into that spot, that 1st unit isnt going to get much better.

    the problem is not PJ but how batum and kemba orchestrate the offense. just adding/replacing players in the lineup isnt going to fix it. it is fundamentally broken.

  • MorlockO

    Agree, you have batum and kemba that need to get thier stats, then you will have al jefferson who also need to get his stats being a contract year.

  • tom

    nah make that 1-29

  • your son’s voltaire

    love Butler. he’s a pure 2-way player like Lin is. and there seems to be some rift between him and Rose going on. Butler criticized Rose earlier in the season for his lack of work ethics and a few days ago criticized coach Hoiberg for not speaking out about certain players not putting in the work. Butler has some serious balls and won’t let any kind of politics get in the way of winning. it’s a long shot, but if Butler and Lin can somehow play on the same team, it would be ‘ridiculous’

  • John Focker

    In summary, politics and economics over meritocracy.

  • Phillycheese

    But then after Lin falls, Harden travels , look at him lifting his pivot foot. but he is too quick for refs to see.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yup. a team that cares only about who gets what stats doesn’t really care about winning

  • your son’s voltaire

    patbev is alright for guy coming off the bench. just like those other guys except acie law. a coach that starts any of them over Lin is already being out-coached by the majority of coaches in the league

  • John Focker

    While it may be satisfying to call out teammates/coach in public, it’s always a double-edged sword. Future teammates/coach may very likely circumvent and/or keep secrets from him from this point forward.

  • your son’s voltaire

    that’s why he’s got serious balls. it’s all (win) or nothing (receiving end of politics)

  • your son’s voltaire

    excellent post by steveprost. Lin should start, period. the team would win more games with Lin playing 30+ minutes. i don’t care if PJ doesn’t even get a single minutes. Lin haters have been trying to justify playing Lin off the bench and around 23 minutes per game. he’s just too good to be used like that. you play your best players significant minutes or it’s just a waste of talent

  • Lin Win

    Enough said

  • John Focker

    There used to be, at least in part, some sense in staggering Lin and Kemba minutes so that Lin can be the primary ballhandler for BF1. However, Kemba’s PT has gotten longer and longer, eating into Lin’s ballhandling duties anyways. So if Lin’s gonna be iced out one way or the other by Kemba/Walker, might as well start him to make sure the high salary duo don’t dig a hole too big in the first place.

  • Phillycheese

    91-91 with 37 sec remaining. Tough loss as the Hornets were right there.

  • your son’s voltaire

    staggering was always an idea but never implemented. not with beard, not with kobe, not with kemba

  • Butler’s work ethic is top-notch
    I read a story of his strenuous off-season workout with Doug McDermott who came away impressed with his work ethic to continue to get better.

    Lin and Butler would highly respect each other

  • I looked at Kemba and Batum’s recent FG and realized Clifford would be scared of losing the locker room if the losses mount =)

    He would have an urgent desire to utilize Lin to help them score better very soon!
    I’ll try not to reduce it below 4 now lol

  • I got to think that when they were winning with Kemba and Batum shooting falling, everything is going well.
    But if starters keep digging a deep hole against good teams and losses mount, Clifford would be forced to try something different.

    idk if he’ll be brave enough to start Lin and stagger Batum and Lin but BF1 would certainly suffer without Lin. It’s quite difficult situation when Lin is needed to power both 1st and 2nd unit

  • Eddie Chan: @JLin7 played well with some great assists!! And I also witnessed JLin’s stylish haircut lol #CHAatHOU

    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/679485212485550080

  • sport

    Completely disagree, taking out PJ, moving Batum back to his SF spot and starting Lin as SG would make all the difference!

  • Rick Johnson

    I think Kemba is playing too many minutes as PG with BF1 especially in the 2nd half.

  • james brown

    if hornets will be out of the playoff, they will trade Jlin for a profit..that’s for sure.POlitics and economics dictates not basketball per se.

  • james brown

    3 way team trade Rose to Houston, Lawson to Hornets and Jlin + another player to Bulls..My wish LOL!

  • Warren
  • sws94

    I don’t know about that. For basketball reasons and team balance, the way it works now, with the offensive needs in the first unit vs. 2nd and having a good second unit, Lin is also used with the starters down the game-deciding stretch so you take away a lot of Lin’s impact starting him versus staggering him, transitioning into his unit and keeping him on the floor with the main guys, Kemba and Batum.

  • Acbc

    Biyomba had 20 rebounds tonight for the Raptors. I just can’t believe they let this guy go! They sat this guy for 2 years and let him go. CHO and Clifford must be blind.

  • CJSHYY

    Can’t believe Kobe’s shooting well in the past few games…. ? He probably regrets to say he’s going to retire after this season now. LOL!

    https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/679519305004912644

  • james brown

    they want to cater and to win too..but sometimes or most of the times it doesn’t go hand in hand.prioritizing a win sets some good basketball analysis and disregard politics outright!

  • your son’s voltaire

    just think of how this team would be with Biyombo. maybe even a good pnr offense and defense big to play with Lin, too

  • your son’s voltaire

    even better if they start Lin and Lamb, and bringing kemba off the bench as the 6th man

  • james brown

    but having biyombo with the hornets will sets ALJeff PT into consideration or vice versa where Biyombo stats now will be negated if he’s still with hornets now.

  • james brown

    this will be highly IMPROBABLE and has no basis with regards to hornets management.

  • sport

    Of course but we all know that’s not going to happen and it’s not like Lamb can defend very well. Doing that means Lin would be the starting PG with Lamb as SG. Unless Hornets trade Walker away I don’t see that happening.

  • JoeTeam

    6moty

  • tom

    Yah but I don’t think thats gonna change

  • tom

    who?

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lamb defense > PJ defense

  • your son’s voltaire

    we’re talking about clifford

  • james brown

    to discredit the notion that Bench player outscored the starters, or Bench is Better with starters!

  • james brown

    we can ask for more but hornets can’t give it to Lin for the simple reason that they are more committed with Kemba Walker.

  • John Focker

    That there’s even a need to cater to any player is the first sign that something’s wrong. Starters are supposed to be the better squad hands down, not the ones needing coddling and catering to in order to shine. There was never a need to “cater to” Magic Johnson, Jabbar, MJ, Bird, etc.

  • tom

    He’s not a great distributor not a great shooter either but a very good defender I think
    Rose in his prime is still leagues better than Butler but he should not criticize coach and teammates in public
    If you dont want politcs gettting in the way, you shouldnt go public about this either, hes playing politics too then

  • Acbc

    Looks really good to me. He just needs more reps. He’s trying to lower his release so that it can be more quicker. That catapult motion you talk about is actually technically more efficient than a throwing motion like Boozer ( the example you gave).

    I have always disagree with Khuang on this subject of what Lin’s trying to do with his stroke. He believes that Lin should’ve just stuck with his old stroke. IMO, a throwing motion requires pronation of wrist and elbow that introduces more variables that isn’t need to shoot. These athletes are immensely strong and don’t need extended angles that a pitcher needs to produce powerful throws. Watch Stef Curry’s stroke and you’ll notice that his hand and elbow has very little twisting or pronation. Watch Lin’s old stroke and you’ll see his right elbow change angles from pointing close to target to flaring away as he throws the ball to the basket. His current shot keeps the elbow pretty much pointed at target thought out the stroke.

    Lin’s stroke basically has removed a lot of variables to create more repeatability and less dispersion. Look at it another way. Since Lin has worked with Doc, his 3s have improved from 33% / 2012, 35% / 2013 and 36.5 / 2014. I expect him to get to 38% or more this year and 40% next year.

  • John Focker

    Great, it only took him less than 30 games to warm up!

  • sws94

    Absolutely not. Lamb’s defense is not good, PJ’s is better.

  • james brown

    reasons: contracts, and franchise players..
    so they need to take care of their man in hornets team i believe..
    other teams i don’t know if they practice it but Lakers, Houston they have.

  • sws94

    psalm, I think he’d start Frank. That’s my gut feeling. Lin may be something of a last resort because he knows that second unit can be difference makers in the game and that unit is nothing without Lin.

    He sort of staggers Lin, Kemba and Batum now in a way. But it’s weird because Kemba plays long minutes and then Lin does. Batum’s rest is in the middle. Kemba plays a full quarter and maybe a minute before he rests, Lin plays from whenever he comes in in the 1st or 3rd to end of half/game.

  • Briiick

    Hope he becomes an All Star and also gets the SMA, in this order. Let’s vote !

  • John Focker

    Right on. Poorly constructed contracts and choices in franchise players are precisely what lead to issues in team politics. There will NOT be an issue with a starting PG like CP3 and Curry, because they’re undisputed. Walker is a borderline starter, hence the problem. Batum is actually a very good SF that’s shoehorned into SG because of MKG, but even then he shouldn’t have been given so much ballhandling duties. It’s one bad choice after another.

  • tom

    Now sure where Acie Law is coming from

  • John Focker

    There’s a good reason for this. Whenever Lin has a chance to run his own squad, he convincingly outplays the other squad stealing all the thunder, and starters/cornerstones/franchise players simply can’t allow that (Linsanity) to happen.

  • Acbc

    He’d give the team the interior rim protection, toughness and rebounding they need. Politics is what’s killing this team.

  • blubell

  • blubell
  • ah thanks, this is the sort of video that i was hoping for. it probably won’t circulate as much as the epic harden-fail-on-defense video, but it should set the record straight for harden’s foul on lin, including the supposed breaking of lin’s ankles.

  • John Focker

    Keith Smart played Acie Law ahead of Lin in Golden State.

  • your son’s voltaire

    don’t buy into the hype thrown around about PJ’s defense. it’s really bad. guys have been going off on him

  • Acbc

    MDA doesn’t take over till end of year. Let’s just see what happens when players get new marching orders and GM starts moving pieces.

    Still better than pretending to want to win but not under utilizing your best asset. What’s hornets doing lately? They have a guy shooting 50/40 but they’d rather lose by not using him.

    I guess you make so much sense as well. Lol

  • tom

    I wouldnt say they are going off on him
    He’s doing okay but not great

  • tom

    Ohh but both 3rd strings
    Lin wasnt good back then going undrafted cant really blame him imo

  • izalongnight

    so true…the ashole james harden who just hogs the ball 24/7 runs isos and flops every other play ruins these point guards careers. Ty lawson also had his own problems, with drinking though…so who knows.

  • izalongnight

    too small a sample…but if lin keeps playing high level for the next few months then cliff won’t be able to ignore it

  • tom

    Lol hes playing big mins and scoring well

  • JoeTeam

    Good find!

  • It’s possible that Frank will start but it’s not going to solve the problem.
    Lin powering BF1 is good but Lin powering starters against good teams is also as important, especially when Hornets is in a losing streak.

    I’m not sure what Clifford will do next. He probably will try to reinsert Al to get the inside game going again in hopes of drawing defense in and give more space for outside shooters.

  • they’re already at #9 now and can slip further.

    I think Clifford will get desperate soon

  • tom

    Yao Ming could be introduced into HOF next year lol along with Shaq and AI
    What an accomplishment!! A great player indeed
    Hope Lin gets inspired a little too

  • grover chang

    Beat reporter for bulls says everyone hates butler so he had nothing to lose. Stated on nba radio today before his big contract butler was a friend to everyone and after his big contract he acts like he should be the leader of the team but no one is following him. The reporter did acknowledge the other two big issues for the bulls is that rose is not the same player and will not be again. Also the team doesn’t buy hoiberg system. Wow. Bulls in deep trouble.

  • MorlockO

    Very Old Photo lol

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin has just fouled James Harden with his nose.

  • Mo Lin

    Lin needs to work on his free throws. 4/7 aint gonna cut it

  • blubell
  • spiderman

    Khuang refers to it as a ~T-Rex imitation lol

  • Dan Cohen

    he is already inspired..but key thing is yao is from china…not from america

  • Dan Cohen

    – That one is something that nba has to change.. I can shoot and then elbow someone and get a call.

    – The last one, I can see that the body might’ve slightly touch hardens jersey..but then, that was subjective and stars get those calls. Lin was too close for comfort and harden will just go up and brick the ball and lean in. If lin would’ve back up a bit during that time, there would be no call and harden might’ve miss. He knows lin was too close so he knows how to lean in and get a call. Lin should know better than that with harden..his ex-teammates.

    – The one where lin fell back… I don’t see the shove..even when they circle in in red..where is the hand that shove him?

  • Dan Cohen

    hahaha I know I have been hardo on roso..but in his defense..he is playing like a broken-all-taped-up vase.
    So I can’t blame him for this stats.

    if he was completely healthy all the time,, stats will be different and he will attempt 22 fga.

  • adele

    Yes they are. They prefer Kemba and Al.

  • adele

    I don’t like politics and a lot of loses can happen because of politics. Lin should be careful in dealing with this team come next season.

  • 1mtoldman

    test. disqus problems. i took everyones advice and cleared cache to attempt to get to things with cylcying around now its worse. working on it.

  • 1mtoldman

    a lot of non lin fan chat sites are also asking for harden “flop” videos to march harden no defense videos.

    real fans have no respect for harden at all. he’s a joke with his “drawing fouls as game” success.

  • 1mtoldman

    he finally (i think) conceded he couldn’t be kobe the great anymore and started delegating a bit not dominating. course at the same time (and probably no coincidence) commander scott sent his primary competition russell and randall to the bench.

    it doesnt matter lakers are going nowhere except the ben simmons sweepstakes.

  • 1mtoldman

    this is a good article with some meaningful stats not just fluff or narrowly “analytical” arbitrary and random stuff.

    the question is: what the heck is the “morning news usa”?

  • 1mtoldman

    i find it hilarious that they thru out thibs because he was too tough on players and now butler and others are complainaing about “the mayor” hoiberg because he’s too soft on players!

    its like that old story “this one’s too hard” this ones too soft, this one is just rite:.

    they keep running thru coaches maybe they’ll find one meets the players narrow requirements.

  • 1mtoldman

    rose is done. he’s statistically in every way the worst starting player in the league.

    doesn’t drive anymore, can’t shoot. he’s a waste of space. injuries did him in long ago like age did in kobe.

    look up any season long stats of any consequence for “qualified” ie. serious minutes players and you’ll find rose and kobe at the bottom.

  • 1mtoldman

    did you know mcdermott and harrison barnes went to the same h.s. where hoiberg did? hoiberg played h.s. and college ball in the same town and then went on to come back after his nba carreer and coach the college team, thats why hes called “the mayor”.

    anyway mcdermott and barnes played on the same state championship team there obviously years later. (same little town)..

  • 1mtoldman

    he’s never going to be healthy again. it was obvious way back a year ago last summer in the us team.

    stick a fork in him he’s done.

    heres some other rose-y stats.

    along with kobe and joe johnson (the two highest paid players in the league) dead last among “qualified” players in points per shot.

    second to lowest rated and better but comparable “per rating” among point guards to rookie mudiay in denver.

    i could go on…..

  • 1mtoldman

    only adjust i would make to waht you say is lin pg walker shooting guard; walker isn’t a point guard, he’s the only top rated point guard who doesn’t get 6 assists a game (doesn’t even get 5); he likes to score, let him score he’ll get more opporutnites with lin and do better.

    lin is totally wasted as a shooting gurad. most of the best scorers in the league now are pg anyway and if not cross match lin to guard the 2’s.

    i dont know why no one thinks this is a good idea; everybody gets to play their natural postion. walker get his minutes. lin gets his minutes.

    whats wrong with that?

  • Yascar

    That’s a good idea. I really hope someone makes that video and it goes viral. That “defensive juggernaut” was very damaging to his reputation and is probably the only reason why he had a semblance of defense last season.

  • 1mtoldman

    most hornets fans before season started said same thing. of all the players hornets dumped between seasons he’s the only one doing anything.

  • 1mtoldman

    (putting up here some good info from an article linked below; the link itself proved problematic for me at least with various redirects and requests for info so thought this good info should be more directly available).

    “There are two primary reasons for Lin leading the tight race: 1) His impeccable plus/minus rating – Charlotte Hornets outscore opponents by 8.4 points per 100 possessions when Lin is on the floor. 2) The fact Hornets have surprisingly emerged as a top-tier team in the Eastern Conference.

    While Oladipo and Barton have been really impressive coming off the bench, their teams haven’t registered enough victories for them to make a serious case. Lin’s strongest competition comes from Kanter, who has 11.1 and 7.9 rebounds from 20 minutes per game (from 28 games). Kanter’s Thunder (19-9) are comfortably placed third in the Western Conference.

    Jeremy Lin vs Enes Kanter

    Jeremy Lin’s numbers (11.7 points, 3.1 assists and 2.9 rebounds) are only slightly better than Kanter’s but most importantly, his defensive rating is off the charts. Lin is averaging more steals and blocks combined than any of his previous four seasons. In fact, Lin has been entrusted with the responsibility of guarding the opposition’s best ball-handler, ahead of starting PG Kemba Walker.

    Also, when it comes to closing out tight games in the fourth quarter, Lin has become the go-to man for Hornets coach Steve Clifford. The four most productive lineups for Hornets this season, in terms of net rating (minimum 30 minutes), all feature Lin. While Kanter has been a useful contributor off the bench, he has taken a backseat to Serge Ibaka and Steven Adams during most fourth quarters. Kanter is averaging only 20 minutes per game.

    Here is another telling statistic: When Jeremy Lin is on the bench, the Hornets have their lowest point differential. But when Lin is on the floor, Hornets comfortably outscore opponents (by at least 8.4 points per 100 possessions as mentioned above). For example: During last night’s game against Houston Rockets, of all Hornets that played 20+ minutes, Lin, with 13 points and 5 assists, was the most efficient.”

    –from morning new usa (whatever the heck that is).

  • DX

    Rockets interim coach J.B. Bickerstaff is a big fan of Jeremy Lin

    Jeremy Lin’s only trip to Houston this season allowed at least one of his fans to see him in action, even if Rockets interim coach J.B. Bickerstaff admitted that he hoped Lin would struggle much more than he has through most of this season.

    “I love Jeremy,” said Bickerstaff. “He was one of my favorites I ever coached. His attitude was always good. He was always about the right things. He never got caught up in Linsanity. He wanted to help the team win. That was the only thing that mattered to him. Every time I see him having success, I’m happy for him. I’m proud of him. He found a great fit in Charlotte.”

    Hornets coach Steve Clifford has cited Lin’s competitiveness, with Bickerstaff saying the Rockets saw that in his brief, first stint with the team.

    “That was one of the things that stood out to all of us, how competitive he was, to the point he came to the coaches and asked for more floor time in practice to prove that he could do the things he knew he was capable of doing,” Bickerstaff said. “He is ultra-competitive. We had some practices with him and James (Harden) and Pat (Beverley) where they were going heads up and they were getting into it and he didn’t back down. That’s his personality. That’s his makeup.”

    jonathan.feigen@chron.com

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Lin 35point outputs occurred as a starter…would it count when they decide the 6th man award or will that game be subtracted so to make it only games when Lin came off the bench.

  • Brent Yen

    I do not think they will subtract that…..

  • Brent Yen

    BS was a fan of Jeremy too….LOL jk

  • KHuang

    I have NEVER believed Kobe’s claims that he’s retiring.

    I think that he’s deliberately basking in the retirement celebrations while KNOWING that he’s going to sign with a contender next season.

  • KHuang

    Jimmy Butler is a fine young team first player who is still learning how to best coexist with teammates on and off the court.

  • KHuang

    Biyombo STINKS.

    Cannot run plays, cannot make reads, cannot do anything other than act tough and occasionally block a shot.

  • KHuang

    No he wouldn’t.

    Opponents would score wildly with Biyombo “protecting” the rim because Biyombo would be in the wrong place due to his lack of court instincts.

  • Acbc

    Thanks

  • KHuang

    Clifford would be best off defensively with Lin and Lamb in the backcourt.

    Lamb is not the defensive sieve that Clifford thinks he is.

    Lamb’s not the world’s greatest defender, but he’s WAY BETTER than Walker or Batum who are getting lit up.

  • KHuang

    Not a single one of those calls was an actual foul by Lin.

  • Dan Cohen

    That’s what I kept saying.. but noooo, someone here say you can’t expect him to be perfect blah..even great ones do it.
    Dude..those people are like spoiling jeremy lin then…it’s like they don’t want the best of him…. it’s like your child is getting only 57% and then you say that is ok, other smart kids are also getting 57% on a test once in a while! wth.. come on!

    When I said that he should’ve been at least 6/7 it means he should be better. those 2 free throw might’ve even won the game or get into OT.

  • Brent Yen

    LOL, CLifford basically told everyone that Batum is too important that he does not have to defend…

  • KHuang

    If Lin were to return to the Rockets, Bickerstaff and Harden and Howard would probably give Lin a fair shake and possibly a starting position.

    Lin’s problems were with McHale and Morey, not the players.

  • Brent Yen

    So…what happens when Lin does his best but he still miss that 2 FTs next time?

  • Acbc

    Lin has the big inspiration from the main man who’s birthday we’re about to celebrate on 25th of December.

  • KHuang

    Then we call him “Errorme Lin” or “Wilt ChamberLIN” or “Chris DudLIN” from the line!

  • Dan Cohen

    really? you think so? but morey is still there.
    and what the hec is wrong with mchale in his hatre of lin? probably lin was joking about his leg in front of people and he took offense to it.

    I can understand bickerstaff and dh12 might..but harden and morey.. no.

  • Brent Yen

    ShaqLin maybe? LOL

  • KHuang

    If Alexander wanted to override Morey again on Lin, he could easily do it and Morey would be powerless.

    McHale’s problem with Lin was not that he cut Lin. McHale’s problem with Lin is that he and Lin didn’t see eye to eye on the way the game should be played.

    McHale wanted Lin to be a man to man iso player on both ends of the court, and so he mistakenly thought that Lin was rebelling against him by guarding multiple players and passing off too much.

    McHale wanted Lin to stick to his man defensively without worrying about anybody else. But in today’s modern game, Lin constantly got hung up in cuts and screens since it now takes five guys to defend today’s offenses. And McHale blamed only Lin and gave Lin no defensive help.

    On offense, McHale wanted Lin to SHOOT MORE. It infuriated McHale that Lin would seemingly pass up easy shots. But what McHale didn’t realize was that opponents were constantly zoning and triple teaming Lin from the start. Lin’s turnovers pissed McHale off too, but once again most of those came because Lin had no passing targets in McHale’s offense.

    The things that Mchale beefed with Lin on are the very things that got McHale fired. Because this season, opponents FINALLY started tripling Harden as if he were Lin. That’s what caused the Rockets’ bad start. New coach Bickerstaff has adopted a more modern approach to the game, and that has helped Houston.

    In short, McHale the extinct 80s dinosaur clashed philosophically with Linsanity the modern day zone player.

  • Acbc

    I wonder who’s the fool, the one who is or the one that gets fished in.

  • Acbc

    Politics and money is like drugs and alcohol.

  • KHuang

    The fool is ME.

    I can have fun being sharply critical of Lin’s ONLY weakness!

  • Acbc

    Bazinga

  • Dan Cohen

    if he has 10 and miss 2 ..that’s fine.
    I expect my kids to have 90% at least allt he time..but 80% is acceptable.. 57% is not.

  • Acbc

    He was in the wrong place 7 times blocking hornets last game. I’ve been watching his play in Raptors games and he looks better than any of the bigs in Charlotte defensively and when he gets the ball fed to him by Lowrey underneath he doesn’t get stripped and powers it in. The guy has improved.

  • occupatio

    Casual viewers don’t pay attention to defense.

  • Brent Yen

    Most likely he will end up with around 80% anyway

  • Acbc

    When I saw all the comments about refs cheating on Lin last game, all I can think of is Khuang the voice of reason. Lol

  • occupatio

    just bc bickerstaff said something positive about lin does not make him a ‘big fan of jeremy lin.’

    i can say something positive about most players. doesnt mean im a fan.

    moreover, bickerstaff’s comments did not actually say anythign about lin’s skill level. he just talked about lin’s attitude and competitiveness. even a scrub can have a good attitude and be competitive. look at beverley.

  • Brent Yen

    you hater! jk

  • golfhacker

    No, please NO!!

  • occupatio

    the rule about sixth man award eligibility is you have to come off the bench more than you start. stats as starter do count.

    in any case, lin will need to increase his PPG to get that award, and most of all, the team record matters a lot. you cannot win 6th man of the year if your team does not have a good ranking.

  • occupatio

    im pretty sure there are other backup guards with better boxscore numbers than lin. like mccollum. but portland record will mean he cant win it.

  • occupatio

    rose just has to stay healthy until his contract year, then put up good numbers in that one year to get the next lucrative contract.

    he doesnt need to do anything until then.

    to chicago media, hes talks a lot about how he’s going to get paid in the next contract.

  • DX

    “I love Jeremy,” not use for a scrub.

  • occupatio

    ‘i love steve novak.’ scrub.

    ‘i like troy daniels’. scrub.

    ‘i like toney douglas.’ scrub.

    ‘i like landry fields.’

    many fan favorites on that list.

  • Dan Cohen

    so I guess we don’t want lin to start right now this season right.
    problem is 6moy award might pigeon hole him into just a bench player..
    harden was one that was not..who else..

  • sws94

    And Sampson. I think Bickerstaff likes Jeremy or he wouldn’t have said this. I think a lot of people think Lin plays great when aggressive and confident, it’s something fairly common that coaches and other players have said about him.

  • Spot

    You won’t believe your eyes, Jeremy’s doubters. You haven’t seen nothing yet.

    The bigger the struggle, the more glorious the triumph.

  • Acbc

    Nah, you’re the prophet! We are the fools who are over the moon about Lin’s ability.

  • occupatio

    i dont think 6MOY is important enuf to worry about either way.

  • JoeTeam

    and all those thousands of posts by ‘fans’ who say he was passive and meek. They just didn’t fathom the whole context of the man. That’s hard to not see, given JLin’s whole track record. It’s good to see it in quotes – as they say, dialogue (in fiction) reveals to the reader the heart of the character.

  • JoeTeam

    Are you a scientist? This is too factual lol.

  • JoeTeam

    I call no one a scrub … but anyway …

  • JoeTeam

    what’s Lin’s FT% and also, how many do you remember him making at key times? I have no problem with his FT% and his clutch FTs. He’s not perfect, nor am I. That’s the point of % and stats.

  • JoeTeam

    If you are getting FTs concisely like JH, Steph, and JLin during Linsanity, then you are in the FT rhythm. IF you are getting hit hard and only get FTs every 5 hits, it’s not really a rhythm thing. I don’t have any problem with JLin having temporary FT issues until he gets his PT, role, and whistles sorted out. If you look at the 5 foul vid, I would imagine you would be more frustrated than Lin. I would have maybe been a little unfocused at the line given how that game went.

  • Acbc

    Like Khuang says, Lin is coach killa. Keith Smart failed to recognize Lin’s talent when he went with first rounder Acie Law who has washed out of NBA since 2011. Mchale and BS will follow. A coach that can’t recognize talent is not doing one of the jobs he’s assigned to do. Ultimately he gets blamed for it.

  • tom

    What does that have to do with anything?
    Yao is still Asian and so is Lin.
    Yao was basically the pioneer of being an Asian NBA player..well whos not a scrub.
    He paved the way

  • tom

    When you get a first rounder and a player who went undrafted. You play the first rounder, he’d have been in so much trouble had he chosen not to. There are so many talented players out there, not everyone will get a fair shake. If you are a higher draft pick, you will get more chances, simple as that. No need to take offence to it. He was not mistreating Lin just doing what everyone else would have done and its hard to tell who will be really good.

    MJ was not drafted 1st overall, took nash years to get to the top. It’s really not that bad.

  • tom

    Thats why I said in his prime
    Jimmy Butler is a very good player, a star for sure, but you need a ball handler with him he cant do it all hes not a play maker

  • tom

    He didnt say any thing negative about Lins ball skills either
    He seems to really like him as a person

  • tom

    He could really help this team right now. Their second unit has no play maker.
    Lin Harden and Beverley can share all the backcourt mins

  • tom

    need to hit those consistently
    4/7 is unacceptable

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not sure if this has been posted. It’s from ESPN Hornets page:

    Calvin WatkinsESPN Staff Writer

    “Hornets guard Jeremy Lin picked up five fouls in the 102-95 loss to the Rockets on Monday. Several of those fouls were against Rockets guard James Harden. Lin also had trouble just guarding him without fouling. Late in the fourth quarter, Harden dribbled so quickly he forced Lin to fall down and Harden then hit a step-back jumper. “I know how great he is at drawing fouls,” said Lin, who spent two seasons playing with Harden in Houston. “He played well tonight and he got a lot of calls. He is somebody who is a MVP candidate and could have been the MVP last year. You’ve got your hands full and you have to try to make it as difficult as you can when you’re defending a player of that caliber.”

    I don’t care what ESPN people writing about Lin anymore. What matters most was how Lin responded to the press. What a mature intelligent young man. Lin understands that crying/complaining to haters only makes him weaker. Payback by action is just a matter of when. Lin’s proven many wrong before.

  • Looks like it’s nearing 14000 views… pretty good! I think I’m going to copy/paste this video on some of the many cites talking about Harden “breaking Lin’s ankles”.

  • sws94

    Playing comparatively passive and deferring is something legit. It’s not saying Lin is passive as a person but at time he’s definitely not as aggressive or take charge as other times or defers to star players. It isn’t an assault on Lin’s character to say he seems passive in his playing. As a person, he’s complex and he knows he has ability but tries to humble himself for the reasons that were brought out in the Linsanity movie.

  • Folks, a nice lady suggested to me a possibility that we can help Paul (Villareal) to get a new PC since he has been having trouble with it for some time. He has also had to deal with some health issues for some time so it would be a good Christmas gift to help out fellow Lin fans, especially Paul has been so faithful to support JLin over the years.

    What do you think? I don’t want to over-step my boundaries but I would be glad to set up GoFundMe page for Paul.
    Thank you and Merry Christmas to those who already celebrates it.

  • KHuang

    Paul Villareal should head to a PAWN SHOP.

    One can get a wonderful laptop there for CHEAP.

    I got two older Macbook Air 11s from my local pawn shop. They work great and didn’t cost much.

  • KHuang

    Excellent observation.

    I also like how Lin BLASTED THE REFS without incurring a fine!

  • Great suggestion, KHuang. I would definitely relay the idea to him

  • 22cents

    Who is BS?

  • Spot

    KHuang has an answer for everything!!!

  • occupatio

    this topic looks like it will never die heh

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Those refs were probably too dumb to get it.

  • This posted below, but I’m posting it again. I’m pleased to see that the video’s neared 15000 views. You can see Harden tripping Lin at the 1:00 minute mark of this video, which plays it out in slow motion. I wouldn’t call that “breaking ankles”, as it’s been called in a few websites. You can also see the non-fouls that Lin was called for too. (However, I think the second call was a real foul, since Lin was walking into Harden’s shooting motion. The rest, especially the last one shown, were pretty clearly not fouls.)

  • sws94

    Byron Scott.

  • 22cents

    Oh. Thanks. That BS?! Yeah. BS “loves” Lin in lip service. But his action said another thing.

  • KHuang

    In Houston, Lin wasn’t paralyzed with lack of aggression.

    His passing and driving lanes were usually shut off because Lin was the prime focus of opposing defenses even with Harden and Howard on the floor.

    When Lin is running Clifford’s motion scheme, there is NO lack of aggression on Lin’s part.

    But when Kemba Walker is breaking Clifford’s offense by playing bad losing selfish heroball, Lin doesn’t usually even have the ball despite Lin AGGRESSIVELY cutting off the ball.

  • KHuang

    It doesn’t actually matter.

    Bickerstaff wasn’t able to help Lin with McHale, and Lin is not Bickerstaff’s player right now.

  • sws94

    Lin’s control is better now. He was fun to watch in Houston but he has more experience now and you can tell.

    Sometimes Kemba starts off running the schemes. But after the first opponents run, he goes into Kembaball. He’s just so used to Kembaball.

  • KHuang

    Sampson was a mixed bag to me, not all bad.

    He believed in Lin offensively but not defensively.

    Sampson wanted Lin to defensively stick to only one player, but that doesn’t work in today’s NBA.

    Sampson also started Lin and played him 30 mpg, though benching Lin in the 4th cost the Rockets games.

  • new game thread

    http://www.jlinportal.com/g28-bos-cha-game-thread/

    Jeremy has played very well in the last 5 games averaging 17pts/4.4ast/3.8reb with 52%FG and 40% 3FG.
    The Celtics is another tough matchup and 2 quick quards in Isaiah Thomas and Avery Bradley.
    The Hornets would need to shoot better and defend the 3pt shooting if they want to win this game

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s continue to shoot at least 10 FG & 4 FT attempts. Relax, be your aggressive self & just play your game on matter what happens

  • sws94

    He’s abusive to most of his players. He lets Kobe get away with what he throws other players under the bus for. He’s horrible.

  • KHuang

    It was a CLEAN NONCALL.

    Harden wasn’t at fault and Lin simply got tangled up. Plus Lin was trying to avoid fouling Harden.

    The other fouls Lin did on Harden were PHANTOM CALLS.

  • sws94

    That’s what I remember. Benching Lin in the 4th. Exactly when Lin does a lot of his damage.

  • KHuang

    If one goes with IBM compatible and not the more expensive Macs, one can get a solid laptop for well under $500.

    Of course, Windows software updates would jack the price to well beyond $500 – and that’s why I am now exclusively a Mac user.

    I have a late 2010 Air and a 2011 Air. Both are completely updated and running beautifully. I did have to replace the battery on the 2010 for $140, but I’ll get YEARS of usage out of both nearly indestructible computers!

  • Acbc

    Lol, needed to use much smaller words and speak slowly.

  • KHuang

    not necessarily a good or even correct answer though

  • sws94

    nobody does, lol.

  • bolero

    I have my Imac for 7 yrs. Still good

  • JoeTeam

    sorry to amp it again then lol.

  • JoeTeam

    from my point of view, being a live action sports guy (no set plays like football or baseball), I watch a game for flows and the teamwork, and to me I’ve never been mad at Lin for not being in the scoring because I know he’s playing a role. Some nuances are discussions like his 2 missed very fast layups, where he did the wraparound fails to the bigs. On those, I can see where 2 yrs ago, people were calling on a better floater would have helped. Beyond that, I never see Lin’s play as deferring or passive on-court. He’s just playing his role, and in live action you have to start there else all anarchy breaks loose amongst other players who have no set plays at large (fluid to momentum, calls by coach or pg). Sometimes he does give away a good look, but then again, I don’t watch for that and lots of great players give up a look thinking they are getting a better look for the team.

  • JoeTeam

    everyone put it on your Facebook etc and see how far it spreads.

  • JoeTeam

    That’s the thing with Macs, if you don’t need the speed for engineering computes, and you get a good base system, the sw is good for about 7-9 yrs and Apple gives it for free. I once had a Mac that was same model, but made 2 months before a small hw change for same year/model (rev b). Had that not happened, I would have gotten 10 yrs of modern sw out of it instead of 7+.

  • I do think that the first two are at least questionable, and I think that, in the second one, Lin did get in Harden’s shooting space. I am pretty skeptical about the 1st call.

    Even if I’m wrong, I don’t think that these are clear and blatant enough to get nonbelievers believing… but it’s nice to see the videos get a lot of views.

  • sws94

    They slow down. As the software makes for higher hardware demands, the faster RAM and faster processors on the newer Macs make them much faster and more responsive. You can use a Mac for 7 years, but it’s pretty pokey from year 5 on.

  • Wandais38 .

    I would donate for paul. this is really nice.

  • JoeTeam

    True true, that 5 yr pt is right. I upgraded ram and then you end up getting down to just a ppt and MSFT Office, email machine if you aren’t doing eng. computes. Still good for hand-me-downs, specific things. For example with this virus stuff, I plan to make my present machine just a bill paying machine one day. etc. Hate going around town for work with all family stuff on the machine.

    One knock – iphoto bloats big because it saves a version of every edit you do on a picture. I’m thinking of getting lightroom if anyone knows any tips, I thank you in advance.

  • JoeTeam

    oh, let me be biased please 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    NBA Refs now surpass used car salesmen as the worst occupation but still behind lawyers and politicians.

  • BobbyH

    lawyers and politicians at least have some kind of check in place. Not for NBA refs.

  • JoeTeam

    My buddies agree with you on the 2nd one. I guess I want to go bias in the other direction to balance out the 4 on 1 calls 🙂

  • JoeTeam

    Hey sorry not sure if I answered this. Yep, it depends now you look at it. I guess I’m only writing about people attacking Lin. If you want to look at it where in a moment here or there, he could have been more aggressive sure I agree. It’s v hard to keep up the self confidence and drive to take risks. Me, I’m talking about the character of the man, and I think he has courage and resilience. So yes to all good discussion, questioning or challenging but I tend to disagree if I sense people are using (anyone) Lin as a proxy for their own insecurities, because Lin (others) are not us. We gotta learn and fight our own tendencies, probably by leading ourselves and not railing on others if you know what I mean.