G23 BOS @CHA Notes & Observations

Hornets lost a winnable game vs Celtics with 93-98 as the final score:

  1. Clifford once again stuck too long with starters in the 3rd quarter, letting Isaiah Thomas go off on Kemba repeatedly without making adjustment. From leading 4pts (42-38) at half-time, Hornets starters allowed Celtics to make 33-17 run to trail 12 pts (59-71) when Kemba checked out with 2:28 left. The bench force 1 + Batum helped with a 10-2 run to only trail only 4pts (69-73)
  2. In the 4th quarter, Kemba came back when Hornets finally took 1 pt lead (82-81) with 6:31 with Lin played as the PG. Hornets got outscored 17-11 with Kemba went 2-6 shooting with 1 TO. Batum also went 1-5 shooting.

The reason for the loss is quite clear: too much Kemba and Batum ISOs down-the-stretch plus not pulling starters early enough in the 3rd quarter when IT went off on Kemba. They are the designated stars and playmakers of the Hornets but Clifford should have adjusted by not playing them too much in the 3rd quarter, especially when Isaiah Thomas went off on Kemba. The lack of adjustment by Clifford proved to be fatal one more time. Will Clifford eventually change his slow in-game adjustment when his stars didn’t bring it before it’s too late? Only time will tell. Note: On the positive side, JLin provided a strong game defensively and was clutch with his shooting and playmaking . Too bad he wasn’t playing the PG when Kemba came back. It’s a reminder that Jeremy is not a designated star in this team YET, especially down the stretch. Oh yeah, and the hair looks MUCH better than yesterday’s game. https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/675866351462846464

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  • Briiick

    Bench Force No. 1

  • Brent Yen

    Just keep bricking……lol

  • sws94

    Yup, bad game from Clifford. He’s mad at the refs and they weren’t good but he should be mad at himself for not getting the team organized, specifically whatever that was we saw from Kemba and Nic.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    it’s EGREGIOUS to not attack IT’s lack of defense. kemba forced trying to beat bradley who is a good defender. batum was off, or wasnt as hot as in games past. the CLEAR plan would be to attack the midget. why on earth can’t cliff see this? how can 29 other teams do this and we dont? it’s like fouling drummond or dj to make them earn it with FT’s, a no brainer strategy. that’s the only thing there is to talk about.

  • CJSHYY
  • cdblue10

    If Hornets think that Kemba,Batum and Lamb will bring respect to their franchise then that’s a big blunder.They will come back to mediocrity when Lin leaves this team next year.

  • james brown

    sad that team lost but because of sloppy coaching and Happy as well that JLIN is showing again he’s a force to recon with and getting enough PT to show it

  • occupatio

    thats surprising to hear. i was listening to the boston feed.

  • sws94

    Lamb has fallen off.

  • John Focker

    Too much Kemba/Batum. Lamb thrives with Lin at the point to create spacing.

  • Brent Yen

    Regress to the mean….lol

  • occupatio

    its not some coincidence or case of oversight that no one has given him a contract before this year.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    regression to the mean. he’s even missing wide open shots now… where are all the uconn lamb fans now?

  • John Focker

    Bulls won so Hornets drop from 3rd to 4th, though they dodged a bullet with Pacers’ loss, or else they would’ve sunk from 2nd all the way to 5th (I would’ve preferred that so that Clifford learns his lesson really well).

  • sws94

    I don’t think he plays very smart.

  • occupatio

    i dont think he will ever play smart.

  • cdblue10

    He looked like a dleague player tonite but he still keep shooting the ball like he doesn’t have any teammates

  • CJSHYY

    Me too.

  • sws94

    GSW may fall to Bucks tonight.

  • Maknusia

    First lost?!!!

  • John Focker

    A good coach cannot increase a player’s basketball IQ, but CAN train players to run set plays repeatedly to make them better. This is why Pops runs a good TEAM, the real kind.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! So surprised. Clay is back today?! B2B?

  • occupatio

    yes. what cliff should be telling lamb is: if you dont have an open shot or driving lane when you catch the ball, then pass it.

    instead, he’s a ball stopper that dribbles the shot clock to death trying to figure out what he should do, what he can do.

  • John Focker

    Role and minute diminished due to too much Kemba/Batum and Lin’s emergence as the relief player. He feels the urgency.

  • blubell
  • blubell
  • your son’s voltaire

    the Celtics would actually be an excellent team for Lin to play on. Avery Bradly is an excellent defender and 3 point shooter. if Stevens start Lin at the PG position with Bradley at the SG position, while IT comes off the bench as a high scoring 6th man, they’d have a contender

  • InfiniteWisdom

    there was exactly 1 game where lin closed and kemba was benched… this needs to happen more often based on what’s going on in the game. imagine if kemba was benched? then IT would be forced to guard lin as PG. it would be like lin vs brooks all over again. midget pg’s are BBQ chicken to lin. this would either be an easy win as lin drives relentlessly on IT or it would force IT out of the lineup and their offense would have no engine.

    cliff is a reactive coach, not proactive. he has no foresight about the game. he’s too conservative. this will be the team’s undoing…

  • joyce ward

    First off ,Clifford is full of it if tries to blame this game on the refs. The refs were pretty bad in the end, but in the NBA it is always 50/50 call with the refs. He was simply out coached. His poor decision making to bring back into the game was on him after kemba had played so poorly. This loss is on him and he should have taken responsibility for it

  • deesee5

    Dam! Looks like the Lakers win streak lives. Now all the annoying Laker fans will be out bragging that they still own their streak. lol

  • InfiniteWisdom

    blaming refs… the first sign you just got outcoached or outplayed in the case of a player…

  • sws94

    Agree. Terrible coaching tonight, all on Cliff.

  • sws94

    It’s over for the GSW streak. It’s not official yet but it’ll be soon.

  • CJSHYY

    I think so Cliff should take the responsibility for today’s lose.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Bucks is lucky team.

  • blubell
  • sws94

    108-95 Bucks in their building.

  • blubell
  • InfiniteWisdom

    no it’s because jumpshots dont win games. and he’s a classic jump shooter. if he’s on, he’s on. but if he’s off, he’s useless. he can kinda get to the rim but not on iso or pnr. he’s good on curls and off ball screens but this literally means he can only score on plays that are designed for him. if he gets the ball on a scramble or broken play what’s the end result? a chuck….

    someone like lin or kemba can attack and draw fouls. lamb? too soft. he’s a jump shooter first…

  • occupatio

    also just goes to show how ridiculous it was to have continued the streak for so long. most teams have a shot of beating GSW on any given night.

  • occupatio

    i thought lin did a good job of facilitating tonight. yet, only 2 assists in the boxscore.

  • blubell
  • sws94

    Thing is, guys like Cody have to be ready for his passes. Sometimes they aren’t and take too long after they get the ball from Lin to take the shot. They get fouls, but no assist for Lin. Some guys just missed. Lamb missed a lot of good Lin feeds.

  • occupatio

    I’ve given up on Cody when it comes to running to the open space in the paint and catching the ball in traffic. he’s not just below average in this regard, he is simply bad.

  • sws94

    He tries to create rather than give it to Lin. That’s where he isn’t smart. His defensive recognitions aren’t smart either.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    at least 2 hockey assists for 3’s that i can remember…

  • sws94

    Hawes isn’t much better. He’s a better pop guy but him putting it on the floor is often almost comedic. Frank does the pump fake. It’s hard for Lin to run PnRs. So he runs off of screens, draw defenders, gets it to a big man who fumbles the ball and then when shooting it gets fouled.

  • joyce ward
  • james brown

    He needs to man up his responsibility, he cannot control outside forces but he can do it to himself..take the loss as his and move forward. Blaming others for the loss is a sign of unstable mind!

  • occupatio

    yeah it is indeed comedy much of the time.

  • zxcvb

    Bucks beat the Warriors and yet CHA and its fans and coaches are patting themselves on the back for competing and losing to CLE, ATL (twice) and an exhausted BOS team.

  • occupatio

    basically a worthless analysis of the game.

    is that why you called it interesting?

  • occupatio

    yeah charlotte fans have a loser’s mentality. it is truly pathetic.

  • zxcvb

    Didn’t play a lot of PG tonight and guys didn’t make shots.

    Last night, he really played well as PG, but it led to lots of FTs instead of FGs/assists. Memphis always defends hard, no easy buckets.

  • Acbc

    Game was lost last night when cliff didn’t sit starters in a blowout. That is inexcusable blunder. Stat padding is not worth a loss. I don’t care what FO tells you to do. You win first and foremost or you’re a lousy coach, end of story.

  • zxcvb

    I took a peak at the Real GM board and laughed. They “loved” Batum and Kemba taking those shots.

    “Long 3 was the best look we had! I’ll take that every time!”

    “Maybe Lin should have shot some. He was hot and defended by 5-9 Thomas.”
    “NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT LIN…SO SICK OF LIN FANS.”

  • Rick Johnson
  • InfiniteWisdom

    yeah, but that’s not why he’s playing bad. he was super hot early on. it has nothing to do with playing smart. he’s the same player. same bball iq. the problem is that he’s a jump shooter who cant contribute otherwise when he’s cold.

  • occupatio

    RealGM charlotte fans are mostly like this: ‘Oh look, my boy Kemba showed up to play tonight. Look at how many pts he got! Look at Batum who is an all star filling up the stat sheet. It’s too bad we lost, but we came close and that’s better than we ever had in recent years. Kemba put the team on his back and played courageous. We never would have imagined we’d have such a good record.’ blah blah blah

    losers

  • InfiniteWisdom

    the sad part is they dont even realize it.

  • zxcvb

    It’s basically the lowest of the low down there. Like the comments under a Yahoo News article.

    I read an incredibly funny/sad stat last night — 6 games over .500 is their RECORD best all-time. They have literally never been more than 6 above at any period in the current Bobcat/Hornet era.

  • jeremy

    come on theyve been losers for the past 20 years

  • sws94

    Yes.

  • occupatio

    their notion of a star is kemba. they dont know what a winning player is because theyve never seen it. that site is mostly boxscore-watchers.

    for each game, they rank the three best player performances, and the votes are mostly just who gets the most pts. (or, to put it differently, their idea of the ‘best’ players are those who take the most shots.)

  • sws94

    He’s unstable tonight because he’s livid at the refs. I hope when he calms down he’ll look at his coaching performance tonight and realize it was unacceptable.

  • Lin Win

    Hey! “We played clutch defense” by stupid atthehive fans

  • InfiniteWisdom

    and that’s why it’s a waste of time to try to educate them. as racist and vitriolic as they were, houston fans were more knowledgeable about the game in general. the LA fans are also losers who are spoiled by the pre-cba nba and the past laker teams.

  • CaliUSMC

    anyone watching the aldo mcgregor fight?

  • zxcvb

    Those threads are hilarious. Also, if one of the top 3 stat getters is Lin in limited minutes…it doesn’t count for regular users. He didn’t “look” as good as Lamb or whoever lost the game.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    and if you dare put lin on top, someone questions it right away….

  • InfiniteWisdom

    aldo gonna win. connor is reckless.

  • your son’s voltaire

    hey all. dwight howard wanted to share a video. he says no jump ball. kemba all over IT’s arms, not the ball..
    https://youtu.be/_S4z0XDcQF0

  • CaliUSMC

    i dunno man… I think its gonna go the distance. Aldo’s gonna get gassed like he has been.

  • zxcvb

    Even McFired would bench Harden once or twice when necessary (the Clippers series).

  • InfiniteWisdom

    reading bball comments by football fans = rofl. guys, just stick to watching cam and the panthers….

  • John Focker

    The average NBA fan is not different from the average Joe shopping for a laptop at Best Buy’s: So it’s got 8GB memory, how many songs and videos will that store?

    Asking this type of commenters to post anything more than correctly spelling the word basketball is asking for too much.

  • your son’s voltaire

    they really do have loser mentality. they think PJ should continue starting just because Hornets won some home games

  • joyce ward

    LOL, It’s called sarcasm.

  • james brown

    that’s why i said it was a sign and needed to be looked at the soonest otherwise it will become a norm and if that happen, hornet will be doomed.

  • John Focker

    Hornets could’ve won this one DESPITE the bad calls. Clifford has no control over refs, but he does over substitution. This loss is on Clifford and Clifford alone.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yep. no finish in this one, but aldo isnt going to stay in the pocket and bang. he’s going to run away as connor rushes like the cocky sob he is.

    imagine if rousey, PVZ, and now connor all lose? looks like sage is the new “it guy” lol….

  • your son’s voltaire

    the average sport fan are overweight beer chugging morons

  • John Focker

    InfiniteWisdom has spoken, and no one else knows more about blame-shifting than him! LOL

  • jeremy

    Thats like every other fan LOL

  • Lin Win

    Bricktum: YOLO Kobe Bryant 360 noscope!
    Lin: Dude! I’m so wide open I could give birth!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    woah, woah, woah…. we ALL should want pj and al to continue to start. would you want lin to play with these guys? ugh…..

    keep bench force one together, play them more minutes, play them more with batum, play them less with kemba, enjoy your 50+ win team and ECF appearance…

  • John Focker

    I remember KHuang trashing Ed Davis earlier (preseason) saying Cody and Tyler would make him look like garbage. Tyler hasn’t gotten much chance to prove himself with Lin, but Cody has not stood up to the test. Truth is, chemistry is often elusive and is not something that can be achieved with athleticism alone.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    for me it’s a whatever… it should have never come down to that… there were so many possessions we could have attacked IT and forced him to stop a lin pnr….

  • John Focker

    It takes special talent to offend four demographics in one sentence (I’m including Mods). LOL

  • Lin Win

    That’s not even the point ! Look at where Batum is shooting. There were so many other shot selections better than taking a Stephen Curry Hail Mary shot.

  • John Focker

    PJ’s small problem, more like a place holder to stagger minutes. Al may be traded (hopefully).

  • sws94

    It was so far off. A Kobe-esque air-ball. And there was no reason for it.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    forget PJ. if mkg ever comes back, watch him get 30 minutes and the team falls apart. homer fans be like mkg the bball messiah when they dont realize he’s just a bigger beverley… a tony allen by another name…

    yes, there is still the small chance he becomes like iguodala… but im not holding my breath just yet…

  • CaliUSMC

    I think it depends how the first few mins of 1st round goes.

    If Aldo can hang with Connor standing and I don’t mean dominate him on striking but if he can match Connors speed and able to hold his own. Fight is over. If Aldo continues to pulls guard or gets Connor down with a takedown. Fight is over. Only way I see Connor winning is 4th or 5th round when Aldo’s crap endurance wears him down and Connor manages to land a few during his running barrage of punches… he could possibly end the fight with a TKO. But even that is highly unlikely.

    Yeah McGregor/Rousey definitely have the worst attitudes in this sport. I don’t mind Connor winning cause it’s just going to lead to another rematch lol. The featherweight division is just outright BORING.

  • blubell

    Please follow the rule and revise the post. No name calling.

  • Hope

    Come on MDA, where are you?

  • CaliUSMC

    Signing his contract while eating a Philly cheese steak.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    there’s no point to be made. the game was lost long before as batum and kemba took turns playing heroball. im not even mad he took that shot. if not that shot, it wouldve been some other ill advised chuck from one of the super chuck bros…

  • John Focker

    One would think the teams would be all over MDA after GSW winning it all last year. If only MDA Suns didn’t get cheated in 2007 “Missing Game 5” and subsequently disbanded by Kerr (shipped Marion and brought in slow grandpa Shaq to kill the fastball).

  • Hope

    Lin will pass to the open guy.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    it might be too conspiracy theory but only way connor wins imo is by questionable quick stoppage lol

  • occupatio

    can anyone clarify what happened on a 4th quarter possession. in the play by play log, it says:
    4:09 Avery Bradley makes 24-foot three point jumper (Isaiah Thomas assists)

    it started with IT driving past kemba, and passing out to avery, who was open for a wide open 3 and nailed it. avery was lin’s defensive assignment. lin tried to close out but he was too far away.

    afterwards, lin and batum were looking at each other. it looked like batum was blaming lin for leaving avery, and lin responded by putting both arms like ‘what happened there?’ as if suggesting that something was wrong with the help rotations.

    my guess is that lin collapsed into the paint to help after IT beat kemba, and perhaps expected someone else to cover avery. or that someone missed a rotation so lin thought he had to leave avery.

    anyway, lin and batum had a exchange and there was miscommunication and blame. anyone see what happened exactly? i was watching the boston feed, and my feed wasnt very clear.

  • John Focker

    Clifford’s play: pass to Kemba/Batum, open or otherwise.

  • CaliUSMC

    Hopefully its Herb Dean. Yamasaki is the Joey Crawford of the UFC.

  • kittyhead

    Then,where is Lin now?????? Take the flight to Philly NOW!!

  • occupatio

    i dont think the problem is chemistry between lin and cody. the problem is cody. something about his timing on his dives, and his ability to catch the ball, and not knowing what to do when he does get the ball.

    its not as if anyone else has better chemistry with cody with that.

    cody is good running the open floor, but when he has to navigate defensive bigs in the paint and coordinate with the passer, it just not right.

    it happened also with batum, who tried to pass to cody in the paint. cody had positioned himself UNDER the defender’s arms so he didnt create a passing angle to himself. batum tried to pass it in but it ended up a turnover, deflected by cody’s defender.

  • steven ko

    Correction on your post psalm234, Instead of “It’s a reminder that Jeremy is not a star in this team, especially down the stretch.”, it should be “It’s a reminder that Jeremy is not TREATED LIKE a star in this team.” Jeremy is indeed very much a star on this team, especially in crunch time!

  • occupatio

    or better yet, the problem with the team is it distinguishes too much between stars and non-stars. not enuf team play.

  • BobbyH

    “Nobody cares who scores!”, well, in preseason. Clutch time, everyone wants to take the shot except Lin wants to pass to a better shot.

  • BobbyH

    One game team ball and one game hero ball. 10 more games like this, Hornets is going to go out of playoff picture. January schedule is brutal with so many road games. We will see how it pans out.

  • CJSHYY

    Today they didn’t have good ball movement like last game.

    https://twitter.com/ajRAFAEL/status/675861289776734208

  • John Focker

    Skill has to be there before chemistry even enters discussion. Ed Davis has both to run PNR with Lin, Cody is missing one or the other, or both, to be a good Lin partner on a consistent basis. Tyler and Kaminsky seem more promising on that front.

  • occupatio

    also, in the first half, i read that batum gave lin a mean look after batum turned the ball over. it was a cross court pass to lin that was simply uncatchable. anyone see this play? in the play log, it probably is at this time mark in the 1Q:
    1:13 Nicolas Batum bad pass

    i hope this doesnt become like a harden situation, in which lin is scapegoated for stuff that isnt his fault.

  • CJSHYY
  • Rick Johnson

    Last 10 games lineups without Lin are pretty miserable, only one OffRtg above 100 at 101.9. Clifford will quickly find he cannot keep Lin off the floor. Hopefully he will find also that he needs Lin to play PG. It is. This seems magnified without Jefferson. Not sure if Kemba needs time to learn to play without Jefferson or it’s a more permanent thing.

  • grover chang

    There has to be something else besides pure basketball to not put the ball in Lin’s hands. All the stats point to Lin making the team better. Cliff sees a summary of all the advanced stats after each game. I think the overwhelming data has convinced Cliff to play Lin more but still has not persuaded him to make Lin THEE PG.

  • heart

    In regards to defense on IT specifically in 3Q, on Hornets post game video at mark 00:47, Cliff said, “… it was not the guy who’s guarding him, it was the guy who screens for him…good job.”
    Cliff is covering for KW’s bad defense. So why didn’t Cliff change defense coverage on IT? Why did he allowed KW to play PG too long when he was having a bad game? You know, it happens over and over again, when Hornets play at home in front of MJ. No matter how bad KW or NB play, Cliff will let them stay on the floor to the detriment of losing games. This time it did.

  • John Focker

    Batum like: Reed Richards, why didn’t you stretch your arm?

  • your son’s voltaire

    no help on the helper, especially when the helper is Lin. that’s why he looks bad whenever he over-help. in this case, Batum was guarding the corner 3, while Lin helped to cut off IT after Kemba got beat. IT kicked it out to Bradley but Batum who was the closest guy just stood there and watched. it was Batum’s defensive assignment to help the helper. i think Lin got pissed and barked at Batum as to say “where’s the help?!”, then Batum put out his hands as to say “calm down”

  • occupatio

    did u re-watch the possession or are you recounting this from memory? i no longer have ballstreams bc my account didnt auto-renew.

  • your son’s voltaire

    re-watched it

  • occupatio

    okay. but i wonder if, under cliff’s defensive scheme, it should be batum to help on the IT’s penetration instead of lin.

  • your son’s voltaire

    uploading the video right now. stay tune..

  • occupatio

    thx

  • your son’s voltaire
  • golfhacker

    Lin looked like he was going to run to the corner, you know like where he usually stands when Batum and Kenba are on the court, but Lin kinda stopped, so Lin couldn’t quite catch up to the pass. Honestly I don’t think Lin expected Batum to pass him the ball, considering how far apart they were. Really though, those cross court passes are risky and Batum should have never attempted it.

  • CaliUSMC

    New UFC Champ :s

  • occupatio

    wow, you uploaded that so quickly. im impressed!

    i think lin commits a bit too much into the paint in order to help there. its good to shift over, but not that far in. it is still his responsibility to stay within distance of avery to be able to close out on him since he’s a capable shooter.

  • your son’s voltaire
  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Kemba was beaten by IT too badly to watch.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin and the 2nd unit are the only bright spot for the Hornets.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’m usually the first one to get on Lin’s case for over-helping but in this case, i think he did well to cut IT off cus Hawes wouldn’t be able to stop IT down there

  • sws94

    don’t want to give up a 2 for a 3. Lin should stay home.

  • your son’s voltaire

    that’s why you help the helper. Batum’s fault

  • occupatio

    indeed the defense is very broken down at that point. look at marvin wiliams at the top of key: he has a chance to stop the penetration early on but is late.

    however, the two choices at that pt are: IT trying to finish over hawes, with batum capable of challenging, versus an open 3 by avery. the latter is not good.

    im confused by lin’s reaction and by what lin thought should have happened. if the players are not sure what they should be doing, then cliff isnt doing a good job.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    This game could have been won if Lamb made some of his shots. He is simply off today shooting 3 out of 11.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i don’t think Batum would have gotten there in time plus he’s a lot slower than Lin

  • heart

    Cliff should have given Daniels a try tonight. He substituted him in for offense in one of the previous games once before for Lin. Cliff should also have used Daniels for Lamb tonight.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Clifford tends to give minutes only to players who can play at both ends.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    How many times the 2nd team has bailed the first unit out? This time coach Clifford waited too long in the 3rd Q to call in the 2nd team. Kemba simply let IT do whatever he pleased.

  • heart

    Maybe to Lin but not to all players in prior games. Tonight I’d wish Daniels were given a chance for his shooting when Lamb was struggling w/his shots. Cliff took Lin out and subbed in Daniels before.

  • CaliUSMC

    lmao

  • occupatio

    thats hilarious, batum’s reaction.

  • Lin Win

    Only Kobe would understand

  • CaliUSMC

    Guess no-one cares. But damn I’m good. Should go buy a lotto ticket. :s

  • occupatio

    LOL

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Jeremy Lin’s 15 points.

  • leeda harun

    Thank you for the highlights

  • Good point, I fixed it to say “Jeremy is not a designated star in this team YET ..” although he is fully capable of doing so.

    Kemba and Batum need to get on board to move the ball; it might take some painful losses to force them do so

  • InfiniteWisdom

    well that was interesting… gave aldo too much credit, seems he was the one doing the rushing…

  • yes, Lin fully understands the Spurs concept to pass a good shot for a great shot.
    Batum and Kemba still have to learn to play team-ball through some tough losses

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Agree. Kemba and the first unit should be pulled out in the third quarter or at least a time out should be called. The 2nd unit came in and couldn’t save the team in time.

  • Dan Cohen

    The point is, MYABE the coach told Batum or Kemba TO SHOOT.. but didn’t say others too.

  • james brown

    is AJ rafael a Filipino? his “ay nako” in filipino is WTF??? or OMG!!!LOL

  • james brown

    how many more games for that experiments????

  • Dan Cohen

    in this case it’s hard to react.. he probably didn’t see batum behind him.. if he did he might’ve move out to the arc more to cover.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Dan Cohen

    that was seriously a bad pass.

  • Maknusia

    Shouldn’t it be 14pts?

  • Dan Cohen

    when you pass you still have to open your eyes..
    plus.. lin would’ve stayed there BUT hawes was motion him to move over to space the floor or something.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin & Melo? I feel right now it’s even more competition between Melo & Porzingis bc both are on the front court…. At least Melo didn’t want to be PG.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Yeah should be 14 points but still good highlights

  • Dan Cohen

    I don’t blame ppl say the last phrase.. not everything is about lin..
    but in this case.. lin was the only open 3 pointer guy.. the other was near the rim.

  • Steppen03

    Agreed with all the good posts!
    Good “Team” ball reversed back to hero-ball. Smh…! Even the great LBJ was criticized for not taking the last shot… He did played the right way… sometimes. So far, Not Kemba… and Not Batum. Thought that’s what good chemistry is, No ?? Can the “stars” unselfishly think about giving other “impact” players to shine in crunch time like taking the last shot ??

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Coach simply should put Jeremy on IT whole night.

  • Dan Cohen

    and lose to a ‘losing’ team too

  • Dan Cohen

    at least he blamed the ref than his own players like bs and mchale.

  • spiderman

    Kemba and Marvin were off too

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! He’s.

  • leeda harun

    yes.he is a filipino

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff always like this…so stubborn…smh!

  • occupatio

    cliff’s logic is like this: i want to play kemba but kemba is too short to guard avery, so i will have him guard IT even though that hasn’t worked all game, and lin has shut IT down so far. but i really want to play kemba….and he can’t guard anyone but IT but he can’t guard IT either, but I really want to play kemba.

    lin can guard IT but then I can’t play kemba because he can’t guard avery. WAHHH! I will play kemba.

  • Steppen03

    I agreed. Why TD don’t see any playing time unless it’s garbage time ? He’s a sniper and should see few minutes for fast buckets (in for Lamb or Marvin). More depth but CCliff can’t figure it out.

  • not sure, Hornets will definitely use all season long since they want Batum to resign.

    Let’s see if Clifford can get through to them about trusting to move the ball during crunch time.

  • CJSHYY

    14:19 min. 林書豪Jeremy Lin’s Offense & Defense Highlights 2015-12-13 Hornets VS Celtics

  • John Focker

    Guy can’t stop a traffic cone, much less IT.

  • John Focker

    And Lamb has better D than Daniels?

  • Briiick

    Hornets’ loss is actually Lin’s opportunity, forcing Cliff to empower Lin and play correctly. I like it that the eastern teams are all so even with each other, and Cliff really has little leisure to pad the stats of KW and Batum.

  • In a way, this loss could be a blessing in disguise for Hornets to trust playing team-ball during crunch time.

    Lately, Batum’s and Kemba’s 3s have been falling so they resorted to what they knew best to keep launching 3s, even with tired legs. I’m glad Clifford trusted Lin more to run PG even with Kemba on floor during the 2nd quarter but it will take more losses to make Kemba and Batum realize they can’t rely on ISOs to win against good teams.

    Celtics is a very well-coached team, hitting open 3s and setting good screens.
    If the Hornets want to beat good teams like Celtics in the playoff, they have to trust playing team-ball.

    Unfortunately for now, they’ll probably chalk the missing 3s to tired legs so they have to go through some tough losses to actually abandon hero-ball. There’s hope for this team after watching the 20+ game progress

  • Briiick

    Yeah, he plays the type of street hero ball.

  • CJSHYY

    I am glad they lose too bc they probably will back to play more team ball next game.

  • leeda harun

    Will clifford going to learn from this experiences?

  • occupatio

    ive never counted so many blessings in 20 games!

  • I believe he will.

    Clifford has made progress to slowly ask JLin to play point (“screaming in the MEM game yesterday”) even with Kemba on the floor. If they can slowly do 40-30-30 on Lin/Kemba/Batum, that would be ideal with multiple playmakers. Lin has the best court-vision among all

    It really begs Batum & Kemba’s cooperation, which may happen. These tough losses will help to speed up the learning curve. They just need to build the trust by playing together in a lot of games.

    JLin has been scoring well lately so it will come with time.

  • Briiick

    He will be forced to empower Lin, then take chance in the next game to let Walker and Batum pad their stats.

  • let’s hope so.

    I’m just glad Lin is hitting his strides in scoring & shooting =)

  • your son’s voltaire

    this is what i want..
    starters: Lin, Lamb, Batum, Marvin, Zeller
    bench: Kemba (6th man), Hawes, Tank, whoever..
    dleague: PJ

  • CaliUSMC

    NIGHTY NIGHT

  • LinMad

    we got screwed by the horrible ref calls at the end. IT pushed Lin, no foul. Zeller barely touches IT and he flops out of bounds. The no jump ball call/travel call on IT.

    I’m glad Lin got 32 minutes today.

  • CaliUSMC

    Just be glad you Lin fans didnt waste $50 and stayed up for this fight.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    copied someone’s quote:

    In school, you’re taught a lesson and then given a test. In life, you’re given a test that teaches you a lesson.

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. As for crunch time, it’s set up like this… Lin will not take any shot from 2 1/2 min to the end. Only Kemba & Batum. Batum always took the last shot. Don’t think they will change. It’s the rule for Cliff’s crunch time. smh!

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Refs are redeeming themselves for BOS’ loss vs GSW.

  • sws94

    When did he make that layup? I think it was below 2:30. I didn’t watch the highlights yet. Lin has to shoot and make plays with Batum and Kemba. I actually think Cliff wants him to but Kemba and Batum get priority and he’s the 3rd option to facilitate and shoot if he has it. Last shots go to Kemba and Batum.

  • sws94

    I think so. Refs aren’t impartial, they do stuff like that.

  • CJSHYY

    In the beginning it’s Kemba who took the last shot but now it’s Batum. Don’t think Lin can do it. I think Lin took the last shot either 2ndQ or 3rdQ? Not every time…. 4Q? No way it’s not for him.

  • occupatio

    in post game interview, cliff said that IT “got whatever he wanted” in the 3rd quarter.
    said IT is “a handful” to deal with, and is “one of the best offensive players”.
    said the problem with defending IT PnR was that the defensive big was not stopping IT.

    well, if that’s the case why did he stick with that losing lineup in the 3rd quarter so long? sounds like he’s blaming the players (in this case, Cody since he is the defensive big on the PnR) instead of blaming himself for continuing to play a lineup that was obviously failing.

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2015/12/13/1449975322844-151212PostCoach.mov-169222

  • zxcvb

    Lin can be traded on 12/15. Next game is 12/16.

    I’m seriously hoping that Lin’s suddenly increased time these past 5 games means his trade value is being boosted. Let him play for Philly under Brown and MDA. At least he’ll be free to play his game and be part of something positive.

    CHA simply doesn’t get it. They’re not a playoff team without Lin, and they refuse to let Lin win games during crunch time. They’d rather lose with Kemba and Batum trying to statpad.

  • sws94

    Lin made a layup late in the game in the 4Q. I don’t know when, but it may have been under 2:30. I have to check the highlights.

  • CJSHYY

    Even so but only one… no more after that… It happened so many time… That OT was surprised….

  • sws94

    I checked. 1:43. Batum and Kemba and Lin have to create good shots for each other or for other team mates. The hero ball needs to stop. That’s what we saw tonight and they lost.

  • JLin Stats
    In the past 2 games, JLin had:
    – shot 9-20 FGM (45%), 2-6 3FGM, 10-11 FTM
    – 30pts/4a/9r/5blks/1stl/3TO

    I’d say his back issues has slowly gone away, yes?
    The most satisfying thing is Clifford has asked him to play PG more (even with Kemba on the floor in Q2)

  • CJSHYY

    No matter what… it’s for Kemba & Batum. Just not Lin…

  • THIS!
    The +/- discrepancy can get seriously embarrassing soon =)

    https://twitter.com/lakedragon/status/675899953835708417

  • Singapore BB Fan

    IT is that crafty little RAT that Kemba can’t contain…

  • CJSHYY

    Cody needs to take the blame for Kemba now?! smh! But that’s the way it’s….

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba only needs to shoot not D…smh!

  • Sundown

    Did you guys see this on RealGM?

    Liver_Pooty: “And I actually think you diehard Lin fans are being severely unfair to him. I have visited the Linportal or whatever it is called. That is damn near psychotic. Hes not an all star. Hes a fringe starter. Stop being weird.”

  • Briiick

    Great ! This is exactly what I asked a while ago, the cumulative +/- game by game. One could also divide it by the cumulative playtime, then multiply it by 36 minutes, to yield the average efficiency (+/-) during 36 minutes of PT.

  • spiderman

    Midget got outplayed by the other midget

  • Singapore BB Fan

    It’s like in field hockey. Refs do make some crazy calls or turn a blind eye just to compensate for any wrong calls made earlier. Maybe it happens in NBA too.

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t care whoever this guy is…His opinion doesn’t matter …..

  • occupatio

    that’s not even an interesting quote.

    pooty’s best quote is: “Glad Batum took that last shot. Want your best player taking it even if he did badly miss.”

  • blubell
  • khomphuong2

    2015-12/13~黃蜂vs塞爾提克~Jeremy和Kaminski幫球迷簽名@@ 謝謝 俞菲菲 的相片分享 pic.twitter.com/X6sn9celG7— 林家潁 (@jain0517) December 13, 2015

  • occupatio

    on the positive side, cant complain about lin’s minutes in recent games.

  • khomphuong2

    Sometimes, Lin just pass way too much

  • khomphuong2

    @JLin7 is ranked as No.1 in the Blocks among all NBA point guards!! #KingOfBlocks ??? ➡https://t.co/nkFg3eY559 pic.twitter.com/8zIgq8gWZ9— Joy Jeng (@Loveforlife0323) December 13, 2015

  • your son’s voltaire

    that guy resorted to ad hominem to make his point. he knows nothing about basketball. fact is, he’s just a Batum homer

  • Lin Win

    Yeah but when you get pushed so far out the 3point line I thought Batum would have the common sense to pass up the shot to someone who was wide open.

  • DX

    Please stop quoting these garbage. Is this why we stay here.

  • DX

    I won’t hope Lin go 76ers this season since too late for making the playoff. Maybe next year.

  • John Focker

    That is all we needed to know about this poster…ever. Probably a Kobeta…er, ardent Kobe fan as well.

  • John Focker

    People normally take garbage out, not bring it in.

  • sws94

    Lamb only played 15 1/2 minutes in this game.

  • John Focker

    Shows solid proof of BF1, and the fact that MW is the REAL teamplayer amongst starters. Batum hogs at times but is more team-oriented than Kemba. Hairston’s number is not surprising, but Al’s is VERY revealing, especially in light of the team’s recent success during his absence.

  • Spot

    It’s like Jeremy had lost hope and now after what happened in Philly he got hope again.
    My hope Charlotte are showcasing our boy.

    C’mon Sixers, trade for Jeremy!!

  • John Focker

    Which was why he played with sense of urgency and made unwise plays.

  • John Focker

    First things first, MDA has to get in place before anything else.

  • John Focker

    Batum’s 40% there, Kemba went back to Block One.

  • sws94

    He doesn’t have much to offer when he’s not shooting well. And he should stop bringing the ball up the court and trying to playmaker or create. Let Lin help him and cut and jump for Lin’s lobs.

  • John Focker

    He still haven’t figured out that he shoots best when Lin creates shots for him. It’s when he tries to playmake for himself that he confuses himself. Like I said, unwise plays (if one could call those as such).

  • sws94

    Unwise indeed.

  • John Focker

    I would swap Cody for Kaminsky, maybe Tyler when he gets more polished. Ship Al for a quality SG instead of Lamb.

  • John Focker

    True, but comparing Clifford to sewage scum of “coaches” is neither saying much nor really in his favor.

  • JoeTeam

    u i see u

  • Maknusia

    New Hair style again…wonder when the headband is coming?

  • Rzo Vlade

    C embiid
    F jahlil
    SF ben simmons
    SG founier
    PG Jlin

    trade noel and the remaining players sign founier

  • Rick Johnson
  • james brown

    Hornets seems pleasing jeremy now and they start the courtship that now Batum seems so keen on signing with them, i guess?

  • james brown

    i am not buying on lamb capabilities because he can be easly stopped and his defense is atrocious most of the time..

  • james brown

    but he’s not playing PG but most of the time SG?

  • james brown

    most surprising indeed when i saw JLIn being the PG (even at a short minutes) while KW and Batum was in the floor with him!

  • james brown

    not for playoff but for good signing with the team. He can explode with the 76ers while being used properly..if not used rightly so, he still can OPT to find new team come FA after taking his player options

  • james brown

    reaction was slow that’s why team lost- both with the coach and KW!!!

  • james brown

    Batum maybe accepted that Jlin can be a PG during clutch time because i saw some previous games that Batum defer to Jlin more esp during OT game against the King. Its KW who ithink will have to need more time to buy in with this because he thinks that it will take away his limelight in the hornets team.

  • james brown

    hard way to learn!!!!

  • james brown

    they will learn but the problem, will they buy in with that?

  • John Focker

    I’m not completely sold on Lamb’s game either. He hustles but is too one-dimensional.

  • John Focker

    Which begs the question: what happens when the lesson is to fail like a tanker?

  • John Focker

    Sub the hole-digging starter(s) early, don’t bring them back before healthy lead is established, and the game’s in the bag. Clifford’s late adjustments GAVE room for manipulation to the cheating refs, who would otherwise give up if Hornets’ lead was more sizable.

    I’m usually the first one to condemn cheating refs, but this one’s on Clifford first and foremost.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Man, watching it again, I’m shocked by how far Batum was for his 3 point shot…Should had never taken that shot in the first place…Pass it to Lin and let him shoot a much closer shot.

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s just a farewell gift from Dwight….

  • kjch

    Exactly right. People need to stop paying so much attention to random unimportant Lin haters

  • kjch

    Lin said in the interview that spencer is influencing his hairstyle now lol until he gets to the final form

  • kjch

    You win money?

  • Phoenix Rising

    Are you bws94 on lakersground previously and realgm currently?

  • Dorothy

    LOL, the comment is too funny.

  • Dorothy

    Hornets is hopeless the way Kemba and Batum hero balling and Clifford allowing it.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Exactly…The fact that Melo couldn’t put his ego and pride aside to play with Jeremy who was a point guard, says a lot about him…and also how is he going to deal with a player like Portzingis who will eventually do what he does.

    I don’t think the Knicks will stand for this…Portzingis is their draft pick and the future, so I believe if Melo starts anything, they’d rather trade him for draft picks and turn the team over to Portzingis.

  • adele

    Please Lin be wary of this team luring you again.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Another highlights

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Another hightlights

  • 1mtoldman

    JLin Stats
    In the past 2 games, JLin had:
    – shot 9-20 FGM (45%), 2-6 3FGM, 10-11 FTM
    – 30pts/4a/9r/5blks/1stl/3TO

    pulling these up from below was going to put them up myself someone beat me to it.

    point is last two games a key turn around in the kind of “sine wave” season lin has been having so far.

    imo tho i dont think there was ever a “back issue” more a “back of the bus” issue.

    its just a matter of how he’s used. (which has been pretty much historically the case).

    anyway without going further into divisive theories as to why now and not when not, these two games stats really help lin’s numbers for the year which had reached a new seasonal low previously.

    hopefully can continue a nice streak here but its mostly out of his hands (as team/coach/star choices @ end of game continue to show).

    still: tbh and not being on the pro cliff/charlotte or at least the give him/them a chance cause nicer than mchale/rockets or scott/lakers side of the fence im fine with charlotte losing as long as lin gets his.

    (dont worry i dont post on hornets fan sites with such thoughts; tho frankly i dont see why anyone should care charlotte fan sites for the most part are much more dismissive of lin than lin fans are of hornets).

    and last two games, lin gets his. and i love the “hair style de jour”.

    that in itself lends an entertainment factor and (as ive suggested before) gives him a (i believe historic never to be equalled) record in the new stat category of hpg (hairstyles per game):

    take # games played to date in a season and divide into # of hairstyles. (its still open to debate whether shoot around hairstyle different from game hairstyle should be counted as addtional or only what is worn during playing time).

  • 1mtoldman

    tba he would have had to have said it “got whatever he wanted” as long as kemba was guarding him.

    and conversely lin “got whatever he wanted” when it was guarding lin.

    anyone watching this game that would have to be the first thing to stand out. if watching with an open mind and not a preconceived narrative.

    this may have been lin’s best defensive game ive actually watched all of; i think maybe he only gave up a couple baskets literally the whole game and i think both to bradley not it.

    bradley is a good player tough two way player.

    this was (and has already been pointed out during game or after on previous thread by other) another probably at least the 4th game or 5th game clearly winnable and cliff clearly outcoached by the opposing coach. just in terms of substitution patterns and late in game choices generally.

    i think all the players on this team are giving the most they have to give within the constraints of how they are being used. obviously star power politics play a big role in determining the team results. (to me actually its more pathetic here even tho many maybe most disagree because ok its understandable with kobe/harden/melo, but i mean come on walker/batum are not stars. pls).

    addtionally: one might speculate as to why they are both despite some big game fails having their best seasons ever after being in relatively severe decline coming into this one.

  • 1mtoldman

    the point is he doesn’t have to say anything. its just taken as a given. understood. like someone was quoting a hornets fan above “the best players” take the last shot. r.e.

  • Spot

    Some games ago it was Lamb 30 minutes and Jeremy 15. Now it’s the opposite.

    Lin for Tony Wroten and everyone are happy. Sixers can throw a second rounder in too.

    Unless things get harder and so it’s Noel for Lin and Kaminsky.

    Hopefully it’ll happen sooner rather than later. But first D’Antoni must go to Philadelphia.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Did Hawes really tapped in Lin’s lay-up attempt on the 1:09 minute mark on the highlight video….It looked like Hawes tried tip it in but missed, but the ball went in anyway.

    Also, wouldn’t the ball go in even without Hawes action…

    That could had been a precious extra 2 points for Lin.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Put PJ on the bench and then both Jeremys get 30 minutes. But Kemba and NB don’t want the Js to water down their stats.

    As far as trading JLin, Hornets don’t want to give up such an inexpensive yet valuable asset. Everything has its price. But judging from how MJ refused to give up Kam for even 4 1st round picks, it seems unlikely he’ll let go of Lin.

  • adele

    This season is almost over. Lin can opt out next year.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Last season you liked to define tanking as: Not prioritizing winning. But that’s not quite right. For the Hornets winning has less priority than Kemba’s stats. But they’re not actually tanking which is best defined as prioritizing losing.

  • james brown

    whether he(MJ) refuse to let go of JLIN for a trade, Philly has the next FA to get him if and when JLIN recognizes that his fit and usage will be there for the offer. They can keep JLIN for now and maybe tries to court him after Batum agrees to stay, but if MDA will be there, its a sure go for JLIN eventhough Hornets offered him the moon the starts and the Planet!!!!

  • james brown

    doesn’t matter with JLIN for as long as its a sure basket!!!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Yes Lin will definitely opt out if only to get a better deal from Charlotte. We still have 60 more games to watch Kemba icing Lin out though. ?

  • Steppen03

    My, I have to say, that’s an awesome read, steal, and execution from Kobe. Clueless LA fans can remain clueless for the remainder of the season and next. So wishing Rockets will miss the playoffs this season…

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Wouldn’t it be much more fun to watch Lin turn the Sixers around this season?

  • Steppen03

    That will be the day… How’s the management for Sixers anyway ??

  • Steppen03

    It’s ONLY a quarter in, still 60 more games to go. It’s NOT too late for making playoff even for the worst team … if they turn 360.

  • james brown

    it will be a great scenario……but it depends on hornets if they agree…which i think NOT because they stole Jeremy for a bargain even just for a rental and they will max their usage of him (not JLIN usage..LOL)..that’s if i were the Hornets FO….(and not a jlin follower)

  • Phillycheese

    No, no no. I would not wish the Sixers on Lin. Too many young guys that really don’t know how to play ball yet. Lin will waste three years just to get them up the curve. Hornets will work out better for Lin.

  • Phillycheese

    So will IT get fined for that flop?

  • Brent Yen

    He would be bank broken already if that would happen…lol

  • CJSHYY

    Well said.

  • Acbc

    Lin has said in the pass that he and MDA Communicate with each other all the time. I would be surprised if he didn’t know about the possibility MDA will coach again soon. His play definately had some more IDGAF in the last couple of games.

    People wonder why Kemba and Batum are doing well scoring this year. When you can feel no pressure and have a parachute every game on your back, you can just play with confidence. Lin now has that feeling. He DGAF anymore because he’s got a parachute now. Lin doesn’t need the Hornets anymore. He can play his game and not give a hoot.

  • Brent Yen

    And they had Lin’s help here and there…

  • Uh-Oh

    Exactly! This guy don’t even have the gut to say it here, he had to do it at somewhere else.

  • Uh-Oh

    I think you agree with him that’s why you bring it in here. you are using this quote. I think you should agree with him over there and join him with the mocking fun over there.

  • Hope

    Lin vs IT, Brook, Barrea, and the like, he just attacks then at will. He might feel disrespected when they defend him. Lol.

    He did that to kw too.

  • Brent Yen

    I miss seeing Lin split the double team….nice to see it again…

  • TTNN
  • Hope

    Hoping for sequence of events happen before next game. Lin join MDA in Philly and get 76ers ready for next year playoff run.

  • JoeTeam

    Lol everybody up early.

  • Hope

    Yep. Especially ball in his hand. His game is very entertaining.

  • Hope

    Bc coach: I dodged the Lin ball. Thank you Cliff.

  • Acbc

    Lol, how long has Al, Batum and Kemba been in the league? They’d be considered vets and yet they have no clue how to play the game properly.

    The loser mentality came from the top in Phili so no one cared. If you change just the coach and keep the GM, you’ve done nothing to change the culture. Cleaning house is the only way to fix the problem. I would never suggest Lin to do to 76ers if Hinkie was still in charge. This was obviously the same problem with Charlette as well. As much as Clifford wants to put the ball in Lin’s hands, his bosses control the situation. Phili now has a GM that understands MDA and Nash. They know what Lin can do in the Nash role. The GM now has an agenda to win! Phili fans are fed up with losing and they need a leader like Lin to bring the youngsters in line. It’s a perfect fit IMO.

    The last thing is that all these youngsters were winners in the past. They got to be top drafts by being winners. It’s not impossible to turn it around for them if the leadership from the top filters down the ranks.

  • Brent Yen

    Only thing Lin needs to do it that happen is to PnR every team to death…

  • JoeTeam

    I missed game. Thought it was worse than highlights showed. Refs … Lin is missing out on and1s

  • KHuang

    I was OK with that because the refs didn’t murder Lin with constant phantom fouls and bashing turnovers.

  • KHuang

    Walker and Batum are being MURDERED this year.

    Neither player is bothering to run the offense, though at least Batum sorta falls in place when Lin and Lamb are smoothly running the backcourt.

    Batum just tries to jack up shots or pass off before he has to make cuts, as he has no ability to run Clifford’s off ball action.

    Walker? Just HOPELESS. He’s not even trying to run Clifford’s offense. It’s hero ball all game long, breaking the offense for his own selfish shooting. A little bad Kobe Bryant is what Walker is, and I’m disappointed in him because he at least TRIED to run the offense in previous seasons.

    Both Batum and Walker STINK DEFENSIVELY.

  • Brent Yen

    ANd he shuffled his feet….

  • KHuang

    Lin’s bench players are playing terrific.

    They’re aggressively and athletically cutting to the right spots.

    It’s still a work in progress as Lin’s bench squad plays enough minutes to get the athletic conditioning and NBA experience they need to take pressure off Lin. Remember that Kaminsky is an inexperienced rookie and essentially so is Lamb.

    So far, it appears to me that the bench is a bit ahead on defense compared to offense. That’s likely because Lin as defensive quarterback will get into any bench player who is being burned defensively.

    The bench will only get better as the year goes on, and that’ll mean that Lin’s individual stats will get better too.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    1. Very winnable game… ah well
    2. Jeremy slicing double teams again – some classic JLin7 moves there.
    3. This game’s pace is much fun WITHOUT AL JEFFERSON – much faster. Kaminsky,Hawes doing a much better job (in comparison to Al Jeff) defensively.
    4. IT can’t keep up with Jeremy and can’t get over Jeremy’s defense.
    5. The Jeremy Lin-David Lee vibe is still genuinely there.

  • TTNN

    I really question the intention when people do this kind of things. Other than stir the pot, the best they can do is to generate misunderstanding and generate hate.

  • wu kong
  • sport

    Agree it’s obvious to reunite with the coach who utilized Lin in the best way and wasn’t afraid to give him the keys to the team!

  • wu kong

    an indicator of how active and effective @JLin7 is on the court. His hustle motivates teammates & gives team second chances

  • KL

    I have followed the NBA since the middle of the Michael Jordan era. Despite Jordan’s fully deserved reputation as a clutch player, I remember 2 NBA FINALS which were clinched with a final shot by someone in the Bulls other than Jordan. In 1993, John Paxson shot the game winning 3 to clinch the title against the Phoenix Suns. I think the play was drawn up by Phil Jackson. In 1997, Steve Kerr made the game winning 2 point shot after Jordan was double teamed. (The only FINALS clinched by a Jordan shot that I can remember was in 1998). These are just a few examples I can recall from that era.

    Yet something really sick and rotten has infected the NBA since then. Game winning shots should be about 1 thing – “WINNING”. And yet it has now become an entitlement, the right belonging to the team’s superstar. It is utmost stupidity when the other team knows exactly what to expect and superstar players try to shoot against double or triple teams or heave from way beyond the arc.

    Lest we forget, for Lin’s most famous game winner against Toronto, it was never about Lin hogging the shot, even though he was the undisputed superstar at the time. If you watch the whole play, Lin actually made the simple pass to Shumpert who missed the bank shot. The Knicks got the offensive rebound. Lin then ASKED D’Antoni for the iso and D’Antoni agreed. Lin then took the shot because Calderon was backing off, expecting him to drive.

    Players like Lin seem to be almost extinct nowadays. It is really sad what the NBA has become.

  • JoeTeam

    That is true, for Lin they didn’t crush his output. I think the female announcer was right about the calls that have bos the ball twice in the coding mins. No big deal, I guess.

  • Maknusia

    well said… “Game winning shots should be about 1 thing – “WINNING”.”

  • JoeTeam

    Part of it is a coach cannot be fired for letting the superstar take a lower percentage drawn play.

    The leader had to give that up, and the coach has to be brave and have the lockerroom.

  • JoeTeam

    Nice to see Lin and Lee in the same frame again.

  • jeremy

    Patrick Ewing was the go to guy for the knicks if i remember correctly
    besides it makes a better story, superstar saving the day. Kobe has done it over and over(also missed way more)
    Also, this generation is largely influenced by AI
    They are still moving the ball better than a while ago back when it was all Iso by AI, Vince and those guys

  • KL

    Phil Jackson was one such brave coach. But I really I think the culture has changed. Once players started getting rewarded with ridiculous contracts without winning anything or playing defence, the NBA has gone out of whack.

  • KL

    That could be a reason why Patrick Ewing and Allen Iverson never won anything. For Olajuwon’s Rockets, I remember game winning shots coming from everybody – Robert Horry, Clyde Drexler, maybe even Kenny Smith.

    I distinctly remember losing interest once the Allen Iverson / Kobe Bryant era started. Now I know why.

  • jakey

    Off topic: did anyone purchase the jordan retro 11’s yesterday? Nice shoes haha. They were released after the 72-10 chicago bulls record.

  • sws94

    ??? It’s not even halfway done yet.

  • sws94

    I actually thought Lin hit it. I guess the announcers have a clearer look at it. It had to clear the cylinder otherwise it’s offensive interference and the basket is waved off.

  • jeremy

    Yah Kenny made a game winning 3
    Allen Iverson/Kobe era was the most exciting for my generation lol

  • sws94

    Me neither but some folks here do. If it happens and then it doesn’t work out as they thought and Charlotte goes on to rank high in the playoffs, it’s grass is greener all over. I think it is just MDA will work his magic again with Lin. I’ve found out through experience, that’s rarely the case. And Okafor may be a prima donna. I don’t know for sure but I find little attractive about Philadelphia. In fact, nothing really.

  • jeremy

    that was name calling? just out of curiosity and future refencen, what part was inapropriate

  • sws94

    Well, some folks still don’t think Lin had back or some other physical issue but it is obvious to me that Lin is getting back some of his explosiveness the last two games. He’s quicker and much faster and he’s doing those special Lin things that he just didn’t seem able to quite do just a week or 2 ago.

    The game is winnable if the coach does his job well. I think Clifford is a 2nd tier coach so a pretty good one but he had a very, very poor game.

  • sws94

    I don’t think that’s how it works. Kemba or Batum get the ball and make a play but Batum more since he’s less likely to take a terrible shot. But he took one. If Lin is more open and has a closer 3, then that’s a better play than what Batum did. He trusted Batum’s instincts and Batum made a terrible decision and he made a bunch of them this game.

  • cdblue10

    When you have a bench that’s better than the starters then your team is shaky,if the coach can’t figure out what’s wrong on this team they can say bye bye to playoff

  • David Kim

    Patrick Ewing didn’t have teammate like pippen

  • Briiick

    Exactly, that is why I don’t watch NBA but Lin nowadays.

  • KHuang

    Patrick Ewing didn’t have teammates like Pippen because Ewing had POOR COURT INSTINCTS and could not get his teammates going.

  • KHuang

    I didn’t find Iverson or Kobe interesting at all.

    I thought both of them were wildly overrated, Kobe in particular.

    There are many SGs who I felt were better than Bryant. And recently, a stats article emerged which pointed that out.

    I hated watching those two low efficiency chuckers play.

  • KHuang

    HARDLY EXTINCT.

    The Spurs have been winning championships by being unselfish, and the Golden State Warriors are also an unselfish team.

    Truly great players like Lin that do winning teamball are rare in any generation.

  • KHuang

    One might make the playoffs, but it’ll mean an early bounce just like Lin in Houston.

    That 2nd year of Lin in Houston, they should have won the championship because the Spurs were hobbled and so were the Cavs. None of the other Western powerhouse teams could beat a full strength Houston squad with Lin at PG.

  • grover chang

    I think the back was an issue too. He seems lighter in all his movements.

  • Briiick

    Too bad Morey would rather have Harden’s spotlight outshine Lin’s than make the team work.

  • HY C

    Lin’s 2nd year in HOU, Cavs didn’t even get into playoff, isn’t it?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They beat Spurs all 4 reg season games.

  • blaznazn22

    i think it should be 16 points…seems to me frank fooled alot of people on one bucket. Lin shot the ball, it bounced off the back rim, hit the glass and was going back into bucket and you see frank jump up and look like he touches the ball. Im not sure even if he does…because that ball was going to go in either way.

  • John Focker

    Linning.

  • blaznazn22

    that is wierd…because zeller has been doing amazing so far this season

  • Rick Johnson

    Gameflows make it pretty obvious Hornets play poorly with Kemba at PG:

    http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20151212&game=BOSCHA

  • sws94

    Iverson’s size and crossover had people interested him. Not my kind of player. I didn’t care for him. Kobe just looked like an unoriginal player. He looked like he was copying Jordan’s way of playing.

  • 1mtoldman

    watching a game makes it pretty obvious too.

  • sws94

    +/- isn’t a good stat to me. It’s just too much dependent on who is on the court at the right time and doesn’t mean that the guy on the court was the difference maker. There are better stats than +/- for a players impact on the floor I think.

  • blaznazn22

    yep…and look who are the best 2 teams in the league….thats right its golden state who has broken almost every record in the league this season, and there is the spurs, who are the best team in the nba past 16 years, winning 5 championships, 10 final appearances. Its this kind of success, the hornets would do special favors just to have a taste

  • TTNN

    I don’t think it is the player like Lin is extinct, it is more like the coaches foster that culture extinct. Coaches don’t feel comfortable without a star, or a go to guy at the end of the game, and they made an artificial one even that guy could not shoot, or mentally not strong enough to do that. Then they are afraid to tell their home made star to make better decisions.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    game 1 and 6 in the second year playoff they should have won.

  • 1mtoldman

    one kobe record will never be touched his 14000 missed fga’s.

    only about 80 players in the entire history of the game have even taken as many shots as kobe has missed.

    another interesting stat just turned up; last nite kobe made more than 50% of his shots.

    first time since some time in dec last year. (about a year ago).

    looking into it further…. in last 3 seasons (counting this as 3rd season) kobe has hit more than 50% of his shots exactly 6 times. that is in a total of six games.

    of course much of the time he’s been “not available” but still.

    for comparision steph curry is hitting more than 50% of his shots for the season.

    (however to be fair with this last first of the season over 50% he did move ahead of emanuel mudiay among “qualified” players and is now only the second worst shooting % in the league)

    side note: bottom 5 in “points per shot” (again among “qualified” players): Joe Johnson, D’Angelo Russell, Elfrid Payton, Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Emmanuel Mudiay,

    (kobe and joe the two highest paid players in the league).

  • blaznazn22

    lmao yah i dont understand it either, but anyhow that was one of the ugliest shots i ever seen in my life…6.5 seconds left on the clock and this man is shooting a kobe shot, literally 8 ft from the 3point line…when there is a wide open jeremy lin to the right…and something that looks like a marvin williams right in the paint(possible and 1). This is why you never give batuum the clutch shots, he is NOT a clutch shooter, if anybody watched him on portland, they can tell you that right away.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Stats do help and good reminder but watching game……you’re right, obvious.

  • cdblue10

    I can’t understand,even Lebron passes to Delly when he has an open shot but when you’re 30ft beyond the 3 pt line and you have 2 covers pass it to the open man.Houston was far better than this team although they’re playing with the power house western conference,they made the playoffs but with this team I have a strong doubts that they can’t make it unless they’ll change their approach immediately.

  • jeremy

    Yah that team had so much talent
    both units were at NBA starting level

  • jeremy

    He is not someone you should trust with ur last shot, period
    hes simply not that good

  • sws94

    I don’t want Lin to go back with MDA. I’m not looking at Lin’s stats or prestige but total development as a player. Each teacher, mentor, coach can help you as you develop in your skill. MDA was great for Lin in bringing out Lin’s game and abilities to elevate other players and for us finding out what types of players are best for Lin in a heavily PC centric PnR offense. However, modern offenses are moving towards multiple facilitators and other coaches will help Lin with being a better off-ball player and yet still have enough of being in the flow of the offense to make a huge impact in the game. That’s why I like Lin where he is now. But Clifford is not the offensive guru others are like Pop and Kerr are. But I don’t think Lin fits on GSW, too many offensive forces already. Spurs? Maybe.

    Lin working on non PnR aspects of his game, getting separation on the dribble to shoot or pass, passing from various places on court, handling/dribbling with the pressure that now the scouting reports bring strengthen his game so that pick or no pick, he’s still effective. But the biggest aspect of him being a force is his now respected defense. I don’t care what clueless things come out of racist people like Dominique Wilkin’s mouths about Lin’s defense. It’s being recognized now Lin is a serious defensive player. That’s not MDA’s forte at all. So, for me, it is time for Lin to get other coaches and mentors to add to his improving game. To turn some of his less stronger aspects of his game to just as strong as his strongest assets and to be the best, most versatile Lin he can be. I’m not panicking because Lin is 27 and he’ll slow down. He’s still physical enough even 2-3 years from now to finish at the basket in multiple ways which he could work at enhancing for instance. He’ll still learning how to take advantage of footwork, we see it in his defense now and some of his offense. Nash was better at 30 than 27 so I’m not worried about his prime at all.

  • Bearness

    I like Lin on Bucks. I think Sixers are too much on the bottom for Lin to go to.

  • jeremy

    I was amazed by their flashy plays like any other kids in my generation
    Still respect Kobe but AI is the goat for me
    I also understand how important it is to be in the right position and know how to cut in organized basketball cuz this is not street ball but AI and Kobe made you forget how important those things are lol

  • steven ko

    looking at that photo with the C’s blitzing Batum tells me that Stevens knows that Clifford has a pecking order on this team and that Lin was not gonna get the ball in that situation. Clifford was out coached in this game.

  • Dorothy

    Don’t forget to vote for Lin, Curry, Klay Thompson (and maybe Marvin Williams)

  • 1mtoldman

    uh as i understand the rules (and “our bluebell” can correct me if im wrong,) referring to batum as “bricktum” constitues name calling (oh i hope my referring to bluebell as “our bluebell” doesn’t constitute name calling, i dont want bluebell mad at me; now some other mods i wouldn’t care.)

    anyway as it pointed out up or down here somewhere forget lin!

    look under the basket what do you see a really large guy who may or may not be marvin willaims but is surely a quite large hornets player and no one within 10 feet of him and the basket except one of the smallest men to ever play in the nba.

    option one would be throw it to that large guy. and hope as pointed out for a “and one”.

    option two thro it to lin who is also open but much further from the basket than the large horent but much closer to the basket than batum hope for a 3 successfull.

    optoin last take a (what how far away is the nba 3 point line? ans. 22 ft so yeah a 30 ft guarded by 2 or 3 guys rushing at you.

  • Briiick

    Voted today, will do again tomorrow.

  • Rick Johnson

    If you are watching what is happening to the team as a whole. If like some people just watching Walker making a bunch of baskets and team high PPG but then losing they conclude that the other players aren’t holding up their end. Just like Kobe they say he’s got 35 points but then lose Laker fans say it’s because the other guys on the team are no good. They don’t understand that Kobe’s chucking is making the other team members worse.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I would interpret that as a yes.

  • jeremy

    Klay aint worthy
    I went for Karl Anthony Towns

  • Rick Johnson

    Hoops Rumors
    ‏@HoopsRumors
    The #Sixers confirmed they are are talking to Mike D’Antoni about joining the team, per @PompeyOnSixers: http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/12/sixers-to-hire-dantoni-as-associate-head-coach.html
    https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/676142039336112128

  • Spot

    Brett Brown is a great coach too.

    That’s a perfect tandem for Jeremy.

  • Spot

    Agree. They were so deep, so young and so talented.

  • Spot

    Please… Please!!!

  • Rick Johnson

    So on that one thought should have been a jump ball NBA says Walker should have been called for grabbing Thomas’s arm.

    Crowder should have been called for a shooting foul on Walker at 1:13.

    And the one looked like Thomas flopped Zeller bumped Thomas with Knee causing him to fall out of bounds.

    https://twitter.com/NBAOfficial/status/676159821327024128

    http://official.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/12/L2M-BOS-CHA-12-12-15.pdf

  • JoeTeam

    Yep, lambs is crazy money so far, esp compared to what the fan makes. We need to be amazed.

  • Linzen

    Done! 😉

  • Dorothy

    LOL, no, it is not about who is worthy. We want to pick someone who is famous and boost his votes to block Harden being voted in 🙂 Towns’ votes will not block Harden.

  • Rick Johnson

    hornetssuperfan
    ‏@Hornetssuperfan
    @JLin7 thanks again FAN for life !!! Thanks for signing @hornets tattoo inked in for life

    https://twitter.com/Hornetssuperfan/status/676135153475977216

  • Pete Roces

    Lin is at his best if playing uner MDA, no other coaches will ever allow Lin to be the PG of the team. Lin must and should join MDA if ever he is available no other options if he really wants to play as a true PG.

  • Pete Roces

    Clifford still thinks starters are better than bench, Hornets is not going anywhere.

  • Pete Roces

    All coach’s decision, if you are Batum and Kemba never pass to Lin if you have a shot.

  • Acbc

    Completely disagree with your assessment. We don’t know how MDA will make use of his previous ides that have fostered the inventions we’ve seen now. You assumption that MDA is the same person as when he coached is a little insulting to a man that has already once changed the game. Everyone must move forward or be run over in any sports capacity. I expect that his time away from the game has given him multiple ideas about how he’d tweak the game he’s invented.

    I do know one thing and that is MDA will give Lin a chance to run his offence with ball in hand. Clifford has shown his hand as a political animal that will choose his own survival above his commitments to what he says he wants.

    Before the season, we heard about how he wants the team to run a GSW system and yet he keeps going backwards with Al and Kemba playing the same old iOS garbage style. What I’ve seen already of his in game adjustments and lack of farsight gives me absolutely no confidence that he is the coach that will unleash the “master of chaos” that Lin is.

    Clifford is an old school coach and his system is built upon the hierarchical systems of thinking and management. No matter what he says he wants to do, it’s going to be hard for someone like that to play the fly by the pants style that Lin is able to do. It’s this invention and creativity that Lin has that makes him so special and why precisely Linsanity happened. When MDA said “sometimes, you just have to let them play” is exactly why Lin is like a jazz musician. Clifford is an old style conductor that wields a heavy baton and he expects people to follow his lead. MDA was the only coach with the mind to see the possibilities in Lin’s game and that’s why Linsanity happened.

    Lin would be wasted under Clifford.

  • Rick Johnson

    D’Antoni and JLin in Philadelphia would be a huge boost to their shattered reputation instantly. Lots of media buzz and attention from the Asia market.

  • sws94

    I still respect MDA but I think the multi-facilitators on the floor with strong 2-way players is the way to go in the future. I don’t think Lin with MDA is the only system Lin can flourish in. And MDA hasn’t lasted his last assignments. He hasn’t taken the Lakers and made magic from them and even in the Knicks year of Linsanity, it went bad. There are downsides to MDA as well as his upsides.

    Silas is from Lin’s past too and I think he helps Lin. I don’t think Clifford is old-school at all. I think he’s actually a pretty bright coach trying to make a Spurs-light team out of Charlotte definitely based on what I’ve seen in the best offensive games coming from the team.

    I didn’t expect people to agree with me here. But, I’m looking at Lin as being more versatile beyond PnR and getting better at things he doesn’t do as well will not be with MDA but another coach.

  • sws94

    PG/SG doesn’t matter. It is what he does when he gets the ball and facilitates from there in offenses that have multi-facilitators.

  • Dorothy

    True, but D’Antoni is only an associate head coach (don’t know what that means though)

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Not about anyone fouling him…..but the way he fell…it’s so theatrical, exaggerated, dramatic …so comical…

  • adele

    I know. Hope things will get better for Lin.

  • adele

    Please make it happen. Reunited and it feels so good!

  • your son’s voltaire

    it was definitely a foul on kemba but the refs were trying to protect him with the non-call. unfortunately, kemba did a somersault foul seconds later

  • your son’s voltaire

    they should just make him the head coach and fire brown. give MDA complete control and he’ll be knocking on Lin’s door right away

  • adele

    Plus if Philadelphia will be in the playoffs. Linsanity 2 here we go!

  • Acbc

    Clifford has really disappointed me recently with the little mistakes he’s made that indicates some of the worst aspects of what a lot of coaches do. Number 1 on that list is that he succumbs to political pressure from above. The lost last night was directly linked to the fact that Clifford played Starters in a blowout for no other reason than stat padding. The starters were tired due to overuse on a back to back in away game. Come on! That’s unforgivable. Then on top of that, Clifford, over plays Kemba again when it was obvious that both Batum and Kemba was not getting it done. Clifford threw away at least 3 games this year already for political reasons.

    You talk a lot about multi facilitators, but I don’t see that at all. Lin doesn’t get to facilitate, he gets to watch. This team is built like a pyramid with Kemba and Batum on top, then secondary options like Lamb and Lin gets to defend. It’s only been the last 2 games that Lin has had some input as PG. it’s 24 games and only now, Clifford is starting to use Lin a little. How can you even justify this type of coaching when all stats show that Lin should have more control. The truth is that the pyramid system Clifford has defines his mental process. He operates with linear observations and reactions. Lin comes from Silicon Valley and parallel management thinking. It fosters creativity and invention and it inherent antsy values everyone on the team. Clifford trusts only his top players and the bottom rank don’t have any other value than just support, like the bottom of a pyramid. This is why Clifford can’t see value in Hansbrough. Bench players serve no other purpose than give starters rest. That’s Lin to Clifford.

  • blubell
  • occupatio

    This is an example of how unreliable assist stats can be:

    Giannis Antetokounmpo didn’t record the triple-double last night. The last two assists were wrongly attributed to him. They were MCW’s assists.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3wmtn3/giannis_antetokounmpo_didnt_record_the/

  • sws94

    You don’t care for Clifford and I have a different opinion of him. Clifford said the game wasn’t over with the 20 point lead. When it seemed over with not enough time to overcome it, in came the 3rd stringers. Those same 3rd stringers would not have faired well against Memphis starters and you don’t want them gaining momentum in their own house. You may not agree with Clifford but that’s sound thinking.

    Lin is the tertiary facilitator. Batum is primary, Kemba secondary and Lin tertiary. We may not agree with that but that is the structure the coach puts in place. Lin, more and more, is getting touches and I see a deliberate effort in games that are going well, to involve him. And I don’t go along with Lin being so creative and parallel either. I think Lin has his ways of working things out from the dribble/drive while probing when he’s not and finding the right time. But at times he miscalculates because he’s human and we don’t always get it right.

    So, you are never going to agree with me about Clifford and Charlottes but at least it is a known entity. I find Clifford acceptable and Lin will build on some things that can help him on this team and others in the future. I like what they are doing with him defensively. I do think that playing with another major facilitator, which Lin has had to do since joining Houston, may be the situation he finds himself in on many teams and he’ll get to do it so well, he’ll be a primary rather than tertiary facilitator. The numbers support that now but there are perceptions and hoops to jump. But his play can get him closer to that, it’s beginning to. I just can’t go along with Lin has to have the ball in his hands again and I really think the fans supporting that want another near Linsanity where I think Lin has gone to another place in his game.

  • Briiick

    Klay Thompson definitely deserves it as a champion SG !

  • Briiick

    Agreed. Cliff is not better than McHale, both “yes-sir” coach.

  • Acbc

    This is exactly why Clifford is a hierarchical thinker. He doesn’t trust the bottom supports to be anything but support. Parallel thinkers like Lin would see guys like Hansbrough and Roberts as valuable assets and equals. This the precise reason Lin will go out of his way to help bench players to improve and have more value than just be useful as rest players for starters.

    When Lin kept feeding butterfingers Asik, many Lin up fans kept asking why he was doing that. Lin thinks in a parallel management way to develop everyone to become the best they could be. This is why Linsanity happened. When Clifford said that they could have still lost the game, that is absolutely true. This is also why Mchale used Harden so much. They don’t trust anyone else but their favorites.

    Pop on the other hand would take risks to lose games with bench players. Pop values his bench players to take risks but it also means he also uses this type of situation to push his top players to be clutch, IF THEY ARE NEEDED TO COME BACK IN TO CLOSE OUT GAMES. Pop is doing 2 things, he’s developing his bench to be the best they could be for clutch play in clutch situations. If the lead gets too close for comfort, Pop then puts his starters back into the fire to make them mentally tougher. Yes they could lose the game, but the mental development of the whole team gets a bump up by taking these types of risks.

    CAN YOU IMAGINE CLIFFORD SITTING BIG AL, BATUM AND KEMBA LIKE POP DID RECNETLY? ABSOLUTELY NOT, THE SAME WAY THAT MCHALE WOULD NEVER DO THAT EITHER.

    the fact that you don’t think Lin has the creativity to do things better than others is why we will never agree on where Lin should be in his career. I see Lin as a transformative player with the mind that processes information much much faster than anyone in the league. His sense of time space and imagination is what allows him to have proprioception of all of his teammates instantly in all their timelines. Lin has what I call “SPACIAL INTELLIGENCE”. I’ve experienced it once while I was playing squash when I had an out of body experience when I almost felt like my consciousness was hovering above the court to see exactly where my opponent was. Lin to me has that type of ability to zone in and know what each player is doing, will be doing and how fast they will be doing it.

  • sport

    No it does matter. When Lin’s SG he always gets stuck in the corner and iced out by the “star” player trying to be the leader of the team and threatened by Lin!

  • Lin Win

    Can’t believe some people are saying Lin + Associate Head Coach MDA + 76ers = playoff bound.

    What a joke! People here are underestimating the eastern conference.

    Playoff rankings Teams:

    Cavs
    Hawks
    Bulls
    Pacers
    Celtics
    Hornets
    Heat
    Pistons/Wizards

    Where can the 76ers with Lin fit in there?

    Embiid hasn’t even played a single NBA game.

    Okafor is getting out of the 76ers the first chance he gets.

    The team has no depth at all.

    Larry Bird was the only player that turned the Celtics from a 29-53 record to a 61-21 record AND won a ring in his second year with the team.

    76ers are pretty much going for their worst record in NBA history with the rate they are going and you think Lin can turn it into a playoff bound team?

    Lin is no Larry Bird and is FAR from him.

    There’s a reason why Lin hasn’t even considered the 76ers after being told they were interested from NYKs to now. The team is NOT COMPETITIVE and will stay non competitive. They traded their only star player and ROY MCWs for no reason.
    They could’ve built the team around him 15pts 7.4ast isn’t even bad.

    Lin said he doesn’t even know what the h*** the 76ers are doing and he won’t ever go to a NON-COMPETITIVE team.

  • Briiick

    Jeremy Lin Can’t Fix Everything the Charlotte Hornets Starters Mess Up
    http://sportige.com/charlotte-hornets-jeremy-lin-bench-starters-88802/

  • Lin Win

    Clifford has to! NBA Superstar system.
    The play wasn’t bad but they defended it well yet Batum still let it rip.

  • sws94

    I didn’t say Lin doesn’t have creativity. I said he works things out a certain way, the dribble/drive and probe. He could have more creativity. How many times do we say Lin needs to use his floater, or this or that, or read things better and maybe not try a PnR at times? I think Lin’s zoning in is feeding the flow of who seems hot but one thing Lin doesn’t always do is find the guy who isn’t covered. That’s one thing he can get better at and is. I think Lin still is developing his game, it’s not there yet. His approach also has some raw aspects to it and can be refined. And believe me, I know about zoning, channeling through, feeling some consciousness in a group from doing music. I see that not only with Lin in sports, and Lin is in a position to use that on this team but I don’t see that special chemistry really with anyone on this team yet.

    He’s sat big Al, even Kemba one game and maybe he would with Kemba or not. Maybe Clifford thinks his 2 best guys on the floor regardless of how they are performing are Kemba and Batum? We don’t have to agree with him but that’s not unusual in coaches. Pop has more time with his group and more time for the biggest guys to buy into his culture. He also doesn’t have any Kobe how Dwight Howard types to subvert him so he’s able to run through a whole-team concept. But he has his main guys still. Clifford needs more time with guys before he can bring them along. Looking at those 3rd stringers and Hansbrough, the only one I’d use is Daniels. Roberts is acceptable sometimes.

    Anyway. We could go on forever. I’m offering an opinion differing from MDA is the only coach for Lin or that Lin at this stage in his career can benefit from others. And I always questions trying to catch magic twice. It usually ends in disappointment.

  • sws94

    It doesn’t matter because he doesn’t always get stuck in the corner. Did you watch the Memphis game? Or the first half of the Phili game? Let’s not make this Lin is stuck in the corner a narrative. It’s not always the case and he has facilitated without always having the ball in his hands here, in LA and in Houston.

  • Acbc

    I hope that you will eat your words if Lin and MDA can turn around the 76ers. I wouldn’t claim that he could get them into the playoffs this year but maybe in 2 years time. I expect that they would come close next year if he gets the ball in hand to lead the team. The talent is latent there. I don’t blame any of the players there for wanting out now. They are fed up with losing. To me that’s a good sign. These guys didn’t get to be top college players by losing or being losers. They’ve been beaten down just like Lin has been. They are going to want pay back for all the beatings they’ve received by tanking.

  • Lin Win

    If I call Lin Linsanity is that name calling as well?

  • DX

    But that’s how it works in Charlotte: Some players are allowed to be bad and stay on the court to play their usual minutes, while others have to jump through fire in order to get some sort of upgrade in their situation.

    Well said.

  • Lin Win

    Don’t worry If Lin and MDA can make 76ers a playoff bound team in 2 years I’ll apologise on this thread for sure.
    76ers won’t get anyone good in free agency so expect Lin to play with scrubs. Okafor who is the only star in the team is leaving for sure.

  • Lin Win

    Love you too!

  • DX

    I have voted for Lin, but who is Curry and Thompson?

  • gum

    Psalm234….Would you please tell me how to contact you? I tried on the contact page but no success. I need to forward you a receipt for JL Foundation..Thanks.

  • John Focker

    It will depend on timing. If it happens soon then Sixers may get close this year, and will have a solid shot next year. You seem to have forgotten the cast of the original Linsanity, which except for Tyson weren’t exactly star material. The solid blue-collar Jeffries retired, Novak and Fields faded into obscurity, Shumps and Toney reduced to 2nd string, Billy (now Henry) Walker and Balkman not even in the league anymore. And whatever happened to Jerome Jordan and Harrellson.

    Point is, Linsanity was accomplished with the underdogs, not an impressive roster. The 2011-2012 Knicks weren’t all that much better than the tanking Sixers, yet Lin took them on a winning streak. As long as Lin is allowed to play HIS GAME then he makes EVERYONE (remember stone-hands, butter-finger Asik?) around him a better player. Hornets would’ve been 1st in EC had they allowed Lin to play his game, and would be 10th or 11th if Lin didn’t sign on.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hornets + lin = playoff potential

  • John Focker

    If and when one cannot watch the game, ESPN Play-by-Play is pretty good at helping visualize the trends. All scoring is highlighted and it’s super easy to spot a scoring run or drought.

  • Briiick

    Hornets + (1/2) lin = playoff potential

  • Dorothy

    I downloaded the NBA APP but can not find the All-Star ballot page. Can someone tell me how to find it? Thanks.

  • John Focker

    1) Any team + Lin = playoff potential
    2) Mediocre team + Lin = Conf Final potential
    3) Good team + Lin = Championship lock

  • LinMad

    A. Bradley “So you believe god exists up there?”
    J lin “What kind of question is that?”

  • Briiick
  • LAJane

    I really appreciate this conversation between two very good minds. Thanks for being willing (in this instagram era) to write more than one paragraph to get a whole idea well communicated. Happy to learn from you two.

  • grover chang

    “Master of Chaos” – Love it. I am not as hard on Clifford as you. Most coaches are control freaks and would find Lin’s style at 100% as disconcerting.

  • Dorothy

    Thanks, I have used that to vote for the past several days, just want to put in more votes for Lin by using the app, but can not find it.

  • 1mtoldman

    a lot of good historic points.

  • Brent Yen

    Sorry about the one liners….I have put in the past…LOL

  • Yascar

    I agree with you and you and I are in the minority here, but to each his own.

    To some here that means we’re satisfied with Jeremy being a back up and playing for Cliff, and that means we don’t want the best for him. For me at least, that can’t be further from the truth. In some respects, I think I actually believe in him more than a lot of people do. I believe he has been shafted and treated unfairly his whole life, but I look at what he has become and I have faith he will get better still. With or without MDA.

    In the last few games (and yes I know it may just be a blip), he has had more playing time. People can choose to believe that Cliff listened to fans or the FO left pressured to play him. That may be true, but I would rather believe it was Jeremy that found a way – by talking to his coach perhaps or simply by working harder still. None of us really know.

    The thing is, everywhere Jeremy has gone he’s had politics, FO, another superstar in his way. Who is to say Okafor or next year’s lottery pick won’t be catered to in Philly? How do we know MDA (if he’s hired) and Colangelo get along? There are so many variables.

    There is no harm in hope, just as there is no harm in faith. It’s up to all of us to take our respective stands, but it’s Jeremy’s life, and we’re just along for the ride.

  • LinMad
  • 1mtoldman

    king of the one liners. a man of few word.

  • your son’s voltaire

    LinWin, all Lin needs is the freedom to play his game and be surround by ok (not great) players. MDA knows exactly the kind of players to surround Lin. that’s all it takes for Linsanity to happen which translate to playoffs no matter what team it is

  • HY C

    I sent my receipt to jlinportal@gmail.com (per http://www.jlinportal.com/2015-16-jlinportal-fundraising-for-jlin-foundation/), but I haven’t got the response from the email account yet

  • your son’s voltaire

    the whole reason Linsanity happened in the first place was because there wasn’t any “star” to disrupt team play

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin and his teammates thrives when he plays PG. forget about him playing SG. that’s only on bad teams with bad coaches. you don’t see guys like Kemba, Paul, Rose, Rondo etc having to sacrifice their game playing SG

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    DA and Lin know that they have an unfinished business for each other. This is a once of a life time oportunity for both to past up.

  • rookie75094

    Yes…but that is the good kind….he he

  • gum

    Thank you very much. I will try same as you did.

  • zxcvb

    The fact that this is all happening in early December makes me think that a reunion could be possible even this season. If they’re going to tank this year regardless (no choice), why bring in Colangelo and MDA already? Why not wait for the season to end?

    Personally, I think the goal is to tank “respectably” and go 22-60 with fun, high scoring games instead of going a revenue-killing 7-75, which is absolutely possible with the current squad.

    Install Lin as legit starting PG in an MDA offense and the Sixers could go .500 the rest of the way even with a crap roster. Win or lose, it would be high-scoring fun with positive headlines about “Linsanity Part 2” and “MDA’s comeback.”

  • grover chang

    Yes, please!

  • Briiick

    Exactly. I don’t think DA would pass by a chance which he and Nash once got so close to.

  • zxcvb

    I’m looking at PHI’s many draft picks and I think these could be “fair value” deals:

    – Lin for Wroten + DEN’s 2nd rd pick (likely in the high 30s)
    – Lin for OKC’s very protected 1st rd pick (likely in the high 20s).

    Between his cheap expiring contract and contributing to a surprise success team, I think his value has gone up from before. Not high, but a definite positive asset now. CHA still underuses him, but they’re not giving him away for nothing. He proved himself these past 5 games.

  • zxcvb

    If they weren’t 1-24 to start with, they’d definitely make the playoffs.

    If he joined them by next week, they’d probably finish 22-60 or something.

  • Briiick

    I think the league gets tired of the owners of 76ers who have been sucking big profits from the league (by paying low salaries and tanking) while damaging NBA revenue. The league is sending Colangelo to 76ers who wants Dantoni but the owners keep undercutting the league by giving an extension to Brown. This is kind of like a person becoming addictive to welfare.

  • grover chang

    Man, Don’t tease me like that. Trade predictions makes me think this could happen. Linsanity for 3/4 of a season. My mind will explode.

  • Lin Win

    I know Lin does great when he has the ball in his hand but no way will he turn the 76ers which is getting the worst record in NBA history into a playoff bound team.

  • grover chang

    Two more guys I like Philly to sweep in and get to shore up their veteran quota. Guys they could get on the cheap. Nick Young and Josh Smith. Both are on teams that want to get rid of them. Nick Young great off the ball catch and shoot guy for Lin. Josh Smith great for alley oops and he is a very good passer. Both guys would also make good defenders when Linsanity pace takes over the game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good point

  • Lin Win

    Tyson and Novak was good.
    Hornets are great but won’t be ranked 1st in the EC even if Lin becomes a starter. People here are underestimating the Cavs,Hawks and the Bulls way too much. Lebron swept this team without Lin before.

  • Lin Win

    You have far too many unproven talent in the 76ers.
    The only capable player to become a star is Okafor. The rest are pretty much scrubs.

  • Rick Johnson

    yumi chen
    ‏@capitalyumi
    @JLin7 (weibo) Preparing for the team holiday party. What do you think about my outfit?正在為球隊的節日派對做準備…你們覺得我的打扮怎麼樣?
    https://twitter.com/capitalyumi/status/676250217126105088

  • Briiick

    Still looks like a terminator.

  • Rick Johnson

    Show New York and Los Angeles they shouldn’t have been the ones to leave.

  • sport

    Not going to get my hopes up, seen disappointment too many times. I will only believe it when it happens with Lin being starting PG and leader of his team with 32+ minutes!

  • sws94

    Cool.

  • Lin Win

    ….no

    That’s Lebron James.

    This is the kind of thing I hate! Overestimating Lin’s potential. I know Lin is a great player but he is not that great to do the things you are implying.

  • Rick Johnson

    Maybe some rich owner from Asia can purchase them. Maybe a Yao Ming lead group. That would do away with the politics.

    https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/675051180792352771

  • Briiick

    WOW, did I predict it right a few minutes ago ! I said that giving Brown an extension meant the owners kept playing cheap to the league. And the league won’t tolerate bad owners forever. Yeah, I think the league forces them to sell.

  • Rick Johnson

    Is there much difference between that and the Play-by-Play on the NBA website?

  • Lin Win

    I don’t think anyone will buy it.
    Small market!
    No players would want to risk their career playing there.
    If they sell the Franchise then they need to fire every single person in the FO.

  • no =)

    name-calling is when it’s used in derogatory or condemnation tone to put down someone.
    The danger is even when it’s used for players, people start calling one another with insulting names

    Webster definition:
    the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective consideration of the facts

  • Rick Johnson

    Aquire MDA and JLin then sell to an Asian group.

  • sport

    Not sure if 76 will be a good destination, so many internal turmoil. Have to wait to see how things get settled but they need to fire the GM, coach, and everyone in FO!

  • golfhacker

    Small market? I hope you were joking. Philadelphia is around the 5th largest city in the United States.

  • kittyhead

    I dont worry about this. The Hawks underwent the same turmoil and become a top team under the right coaches and system.

  • Briiick

    I think there are plenty potential buyers. NBA owners view their teams as exclusive bragging toys. Maximizing profit is secondary because there are better investments. Owners like 76ers’ are simply blood suckers for the league.

  • Lin Win

    But no one wants to buy stuff from the 76ers

  • rookie75094

    Super cool…James Bond cool. ..except Jlin introduce himself as ..Lin…. J… Lin….hehe

  • sorry for the late reply; my gmail was not connected to the right account but now it does.
    I just sent the reply and will post the total.

    Thanks again for your generosity =)

  • I just replied. See if you received it.
    Thanks for your generosity =)

  • Sundown

    By “small market” he means “less well known in Asia”.

  • Thanks to 4 JLin fans’ generosity, now we have a total of $400 from 5 JLin fans in 2015-16 Fundraising Effort =)
    Thanks to SJ, @hy_c:disqus , @disqus_3ojL2FVU9I:disqus , GM for sending the donation to JLin Foundation!

    Other JLin fans, let’s continue our 2015-16 JLinPortal Fundraising for JLin Foundation so we can present the check on Jan 6 Hornets vs Suns game. Let’s see if we can meet or exceed last year’s $4100 amount!

    Total = $400

    http://www.jlinportal.com/2015-16-jlinportal-fundraising-for-jlin-foundation/

    Here are the steps:

    1. Donate directly to Jeremy Lin Foundation on their website (to get US Tax Deduction if you qualify)
    Add ‘Collective Fundraising Effort by JLinPortal members‘ note in the Comment section to let them know it’s part of a group effort. http://www.jeremylinfoundation.org/

    2. Send a copy of the email receipt to jlinportal@gmail.com so I can add the total in the post and your name in the card for Jeremy. You may choose to be anonymous.

    3. Present card with donation list to Jeremy Lin on Jan 6 2016 ( Let me know how you want your name to be listed on the webpage and the personal card)

    Let’s make a difference by supporting Jeremy Lin Foundation together! Deadline is Jan 3, 2016

    Thank you for all your support. Let’s hope and pray JLin will continue to make an impact on-court and off-court!

    Here is a picture of last season’s $4100 JLin Foundation check presentation from JLin world-wide fans in Phoenix, AZ:

    https://twitter.com/YeungPhoto/status/557438773416697857

    Here is Part 1 of JLin’s Q&A on Jan 19, 2015 with his response to appreciate his fans effort

  • Acbc

    You better be you troll. Lol

  • Please help Retweet the JLinFoundation Fundraising effort

    PS: @blubell:disqus, thanks for letting me “borrow” awesome JLin’s thumbs’up video =]

    oh yeah, voting poll is up for Game 24 vs ORL

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/676265993098760192

  • Hm, 76ers interest in MDA predates Colangelo hire?
    Perhaps PR to dissipate rumors of MDA threatening Brett Brown’s job security

    https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/676265369389109250

  • sport

    Except now the Hornets have Lin, Batum, Lamb, and Kaminsky.

  • CJSHYY
  • Briiick

    76ers Claim they haven’t been conquered yet by the league.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Let me put it this way:

    1) Any team + Lin = playoff potential (Charlotte Hornets now)
    2) Mediocre team + Lin = Conf Final potential (New York Knicks,Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers when Jeremy was playing with them)
    3) Good team + Lin = Championship lock (Spurs or Warriors with Jeremy)

  • John Focker

    You should probably change your handle to reflect your belief, you infidel! LOL

  • John Focker

    Tyson was good but Novak is one-dimensional. Lin made him good by providing Novak with LOTS of spacing, something no one else is willing (or able) to do after Linsanity, hence his descent into obscurity.

    Hornets would be #1 in EC ALREADY if it wasn’t for Clifford’s bone-headedness/politics. (Both Hawks games, 2nd Bulls game, Knicks, Cavs and Celtics games were ALL winnable sans Lin marginalization.)

    And the real Lin Win would know this, you impostor! What have you done with the real Lin Win???

  • Phillycheese

    You’re delusional. Case in point – last years Lakers.

  • John Focker

    They were tanking, in case you haven’t noticed.

    And to quote KHuang, Lin was either the PG who wasn’t allowed to run the point, or the SG who wasn’t allowed to shoot. His best PNR partner Ed Davis was artificially kept away from him.

    Not to even bring up starting Sacre and Ryan Kelly, and last but not least Tank Commander BS.

  • ok, I updated the Fundraising total to $1150 now, up from $400 a couple hours ago.
    I’d update it again tomorrow. Sorry, I’m not fast enough to update it in real time =)

    JLin simply has the best fans in the world!

  • Phillycheese

    You did write “any team”. Lin is not Lebron. Cmon, you really can’t believe what you wrote??

  • Acbc

    The struggle he has with finding people as you say is more a reflection of chemistry than talent. When doesn’t even have the ball in hand, he can’t feel the movements of his teammates as a PG. your perception of Lin’s weakness is a function of his useage than ability.

    I will maintain that his inability to find the open man in the dribble drive is chemistry related and sometimes not even his own fault. I’ve seen many times when lamb just watches Lin drive to the hoop and stand there without moving into a line of sight for a possible outlet. Why does Lin continue to do it? It’s to teach his teammates what they should be doing off ball to make yourself useful. Lin doesn’t have a good PNR partner as well to work with and the interior spacing with Big Al in the post position puts way too many bodies in the way and too many double coverage posibilities. With Ed, Lin was able to drive even into low post positions and Ed would deliberately pull away out of the way into the wing slot so that his am must chose to double or stay with him. More often than not, he had an easy uncovered shot or flush.

    It took a while for Lin to develop chemistry with Howard but when he did, Howard was well fed by Lin with easy alley oops and post ups. One in particular was pure magic. Lin did a PNR with Howard and 3 guys followed Lin as he drove to the right of the basket. Howard was left all alone by himself and Lin threw a no look pass over his right shoulder backwards for an easy alley oop to Howard. This is what amazes me when I watch Lin play. He just saw Howard with a third eye and leaves me wondering how he does that.

    It’s like a quarterback calling a pky for the tightend and the wide receiver runs lazily down field without making himself set for a emergency outlet for his quarterback. The quarter back will look bad because he has to throw the ball away.

    We will agree to disagree and wait to see what the future unfolds. You should read “The Gold Mine Effect”. It sums up my coaching philosophy that winners must believe first and foremost in their own abilities. It is only by that faith that their destiny follows. I will never stop believing that Lin will bring about Linsanity 2.0. It’s not about being disappointed that he may fail. It’s about Lin never giving into the external limits others place on him.

  • james brown

    so need to add to anyteam that are not TANKING..LOL!!!

  • Somehow I knew this picture will be a screensaver for many JLin fan girls :]

    https://twitter.com/LinChen17621760/status/676289340830384128

  • james brown

    right now but eventually many will buy merchandise and attend games because Phillies alive again

  • james brown

    as if extending brown will make the coach job secure..he can be buy out just like what other teams are doing. Unfortunately, the owners rewarding coach loyalty that’s why they secure future of the coach financially just like Mchale who is bound still to receive his salary.

  • Acbc

    People will forget about Kobe and the Lakers like how people forgot about Julius Erving aka Dr J. And the Sixers.

  • John Focker

    The premise is OBVIOUSLY that Lin is used the correct way. Having him standing in a corner and not passing to him certainly achieves nothing. Nor would having him DNP-CD.

    C’mon, it’s hardly your first day here. 🙂

  • Acbc

    Winning fixes everything in sports. Owners are just like fans. They be the first to jump on the band wagon again if the Sixers all of sudden start winning.

  • james brown

    then its ok for others to believe otherwise too. this is democracy and what you rightly believe today might be wrong tomorrow, as what others believe today you though was wrong will maybe the right of tomorrow..

    so chill…we are all SPECULATING the future ..even you yourself!

    we need not be so fatalistic in our approach here so we can live in harmony and peace even at the stance argumentation and debate.

  • james brown

    the only FATAL things that will happen is the DEATH of the team…since they are still breathing and alive, things can come for the better and as they say theres only one way after you fall, is that you rise again! then maybe you fall again afterwards..LOL..the wheel of life!

  • Spot

    They have to win 40 of the remaining games. To me it’s not impossible but they must change fast.

    Nuggets some years ago went on a streak of 20 plus win.

  • Spot

    Wow :O

    Probably in Christmas time I’ll make mine 😉

  • brise

    wow, huge fan. He’s going to ink it for life even though there’s a good chance that Lin will either opt out or get traded.

  • steven ko

    reminds me of when JLin crossed up LBJ:

  • Spot

    Brown’s words will not sound good to D’Antoni.

    Improving my staff and assistant coach is surely not what D’Antoni is looking for.

    We will see what happens.

  • Lin Win

    You make winning 40 remaining games easy. They have to win 40 remaining STRAIGHT games. GSW only did 24wins and GSW > Lin + MDA.

  • Lin Win

    76ers just sold tickets 7-11dollars more than a cup of coke.

  • Lin Win

    Novak just needed to be a spot up shooter. He did his job brilliantly and hit a lot of kick out 3s from Lin.
    I mean Hornets need to be #1 at the end of the season. We are only a quarter into the season and anything can happen.
    Games are always winnable but playoff games a lot different than regular season games.

  • Rick Johnson

    aj rafaelVerified account‏@ajRAFAEL

    flying to florida in the morning.. some remind me to workout when i get to the hotel LOL. this weekend has been nonstop eating food. ugh

    https://twitter.com/ajRAFAEL/status/676291717016846336

    https://twitter.com/ajRAFAEL/status/676281749446328321

  • occupatio

    i dont see why his tweets matter. he’s just lin’s friend and nothing else.

  • Rick Johnson

    I think he says things that due to politics JLin can’t say himself. But I’m sure they’ve discussed it. He seems more outspoken than other friends, family. Family is in complete radio silence.

  • occupatio

    thats doubtful. even if he knows insider things, lin would not be cool with him divulging it publicly. that should be obvious by now. lin doesnt leak things to press in a backhanded manner like that. he never has while he is still on the team.

  • Rick Johnson

    I don’t think Lin has him intentionally leaks things (“in a backhanded manner” as you say) but I’m sure Lin’s friends know some of what he’s going through and their attitude offers clues as to whats going on.

  • Phoenix Rising

    That’s a fitted suit; close both buttons buddy! Will show off your upper body a lot better! (i shouldn’t post this… can’t stop :P)

  • Lin Win

    Scouting report by the Lakers 2014

    This paragraph perfectly points out the reasons why I believe Lin is not a good shooting guard like some people here are saying.

    “The problem with Lin is not really about what he is, but what he isn’t: one of the primary concerns is what position allows him to optimize his level of play while simultaneously elevating the team play. So far, the numbers paint his best position as shooting guard. If so, he lacks the next level athleticism to compensate for his lack of height: while his dunk rate (0.6%) is perfectly fine for a point guard, as a shooting guard that is a bottom quarter rate. Despite a diversified offense, Lin also lacks the next-level offensive skills: he is a face-up driver and does not utilize his sturdy frame for post-ups, having attempted zero hook shots this past year. He’s also not effective in the wonky shots: his points per play on runners, pull-up jumpers and in particular fadeaway and turnaround type shots are quite poor. Lin takes nearly a fifth of his shots in the in-between zones (4-15 feet), but only shoots 33.3% on runners and an abysmal 31.9% from no-man’s land.

    Lin was better defending point guards than shooting guards, holding down their scoring rate by nearly five points while reducing the efficiency by nearly ten percent, and in general he allows opposing guards to score. The ideal scenario to prevent crossmatching, and optimizing Lin, would create an offense centralized around him to allow him to play point guard at a reasonable level, so he can defend point guards well while being a positive on the team’s offense. Lin appears to really, really elevate his game on all facets when he has the ball in his hands, and this even extends to rebounding and stealing the ball. A Lin at past year’s level would require crossmatching–a SG offensively, and a PG defensively.”

  • occupatio

    stalking this Al guy for his tweets and all of lin’s friends tweets, that is simply ridiculous.

  • 1mtoldman

    this is correct. the first part anyway.

    thats why suddenly after usually being unavailable for commment hinkie fired genius is being trotted out to pretend that he hasn’t been fired.

    as to the rest, well–im sure brown is pleased to be freed of “the process” and well anything else you hear at this point is just

    spin.

  • Phoenix Rising

    Allow me to differ. Firstly, I have to believe that scouts (not necessarily this guy) are a big reason why Lin was never drafted and took so long to be recognized in the league – by a stroke of luck I might add.

    Secondly, I strongly feel that the premise of this scout is faulty. I can’t argue with his numbers, its his framework of roles that I take exception to. Who said that a shooting guard has to do only the things this guy is talking about. I suspect (and I think most reading this report would agree) that the scout already has a particular system in mind when he tries to fit Jeremy’s strengths and weaknesses into it. I think what championship teams from the last 4 years have shown is that winning formulas from the past are no longer necessary for success in this league –
    1) Was the role of Bosh a traditional one during Heats winning years. That team (very publicly!) was implementing a position-less, flexi system.
    2) Spurs has a system famously fit around the strengths of its role players. Go through the last 15 years of Spurs basketball and you could argue there were 3 systems (major changes based on their points of gravity and changing strengths), with the team achieving success across all of them
    3) Do I need to talk about the non-traditional modern system put forward by Kerr?! 🙂

    Lin has played in very traditional defensive frameworks his entire career – emphasis on man-to-man defense or at best occasional shifts to old style zone defense. Look at the defensive system in place at Charlotte – role of players not limited to the man they primarily cover; clear roles and rules defined for help defenders; trapping along the baseline, funneling, tagging in the paint all being done with a purpose (and not adhoc basis, refer Lakers). He has been doing very well in this system, guarding both types of guards, consistently well.

    As far as offense is concerned, I agree with the scout, Lin is better with the ball in his hands – “appears to really, really elevate his game on all facets”, as he/ she said. But that doesn’t mean he can’t be an SG! The above statement is true for many SG’s in today’s league – Harden, Wiggins, Gordon etc. But then those teams have made the offensive system such that, they allow these players to use their strengths and succeed.

    Look, I am the first one to say Lin is best as a PG. Especially on this team. On most teams. But, to say he can’t succeed as an SG is incorrect, IMO. A good coach should be able to create the right system, to make sure all his players are used to their optimal strengths. And I believe that can easily happen with Lin as SG too.

  • adele

    My greatest wish in basketball pleasure!

  • adele

    LOL. Hope something exciting is up. The works of the positive mind. It all starts with a single thought. If we have a majority mindset to make it happen, there’s a great possibility it will happen. 🙂

  • adele

    Please basketball angel. Guide these people to Linsanity 2.

  • adele

    If this happens, I will go to Philly every single game. Even if I live in NY, will drive and camp there. LOL

  • adele

    We are focusing our positive energy and mindset to this phenomenon. Strong mind power. Yesss.

  • adele

    Your handle “Lin Win” means you want Lin to Win… Yes? Why the constant skepticism? I don’t know your background but nobody will win if you’re constantly looking back and not focusing your energy and mindset of your goals and purpose. And you’re a Lin fan I suppose? Why not shift your mindset of a positive future outcome than a negative future outcome for the best of his career? If you set up goals, you have to achieve excellence and not mediocrity.

  • adele

    Look, nobody really knows if Lin will go to Philly or not. But if we constantly mention this in our blogs and mention it in a positive way, some people will notice. People who are smart and knows what they’re doing and makes smart decisions. Please Lin Win, don’t put in rotten tomatoes in a freshly picked garden produce. It will damage the whole basket.

  • adele

    To refresh your memory, when Lin went to Houston, during the pre-season, they have the best record also. And Lin is playing with the rookies at that time. No Harden and Howard yet. When Harden came in after the pre-season, Lin was the PG because they are checking if Harden really deserves to be the face of the franchise. Harden hits a successive 40+ points in two games with Lin as his PG. After that, they anointed Harden as the face of the franchise. What happens to Harden now? With no good PG to feed him? He is trying to be a PG and SG at the same time. But nobody can succeed if you don’t play team-ball and have a smart PG and coach.

  • adele

    Correct. The players and the coach agenda is just to win basketball and not to pad stats. Lin has to score because everyone during that time has low morale because of loses piling up. So most of the players don’t care and looked-up Lin to set them up or set up the whole game. Lin being smart and skilled enough to win a championship (even with an underdog team in HS) he managed to bring the Knicks to the play-offs until Carmelo took over.

  • Acbc

    Lol, this is so retro with the skinny suit and geeky black rim glasses. It’s an exact replica of me back in the early 60s. Next came the bell bottom jeans and tie dyed shirts. For my grad, I was dressed like John travota with the rounded toe platform boots and cream colour suit.

    It’s funny that my wife complaint to me a couple of years ago about my skinny ties. Now it seems to be back in fashion.

  • Acbc

    Thank you

  • I just realize AJ sported the same Mohak hair last week.
    Was he 1 of Lin 6 friends who wanted the same hairstyle?

    https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/673074111459950592

  • Acbc

    These are the same scouts that thought Lin wasn’t worthy of a college scholarship. The same scouts who thought Lin wasn’t worthy of being drafted. The same scouts who. Said Lin was a promotional gimmick when GSW signed him from the summer league where he showed up John Wall, their number 1 draft choice. The same scouts that released him from Houston on Christman eve. The same scouts that were shocked by Linsanity. The same scouts that said Lin was a fluke. The same scouts that said he’d wash out of the league. The very same scouts who refused to admit that Lin belong in the NBA, but could be an all star if given a fair opportunity.

    How many of the top drafts from that draft year are still around. I’ll bet that the scouts thought that Keith Smart were right in playing Acie Law ahead of Lin. He was drafted 11 over all and has washed out of the league since 2011.

    Scouts see what they want to see and report what their bosses want to hear. I wouldn’t trust any of these so call experts with anything about Lin. The only thing for certain is that whatever the scouts have to say, it’s bound to be bias.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    …and they still paid him 15 mil? Shaky scouting. Must be written and released by BS.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here is a list of the players taken in the 2nd round of the 2010 NBA Draft.

    It’s really surprising how few of them made any impact on the league at all. It underscores how remarkable it is that Lin is still around and moving forward in his career.

    Pick — Team — Player — School/Country

    31 — NJN — Tibor Pleiss — Germany
    32 — MIA — Dexter Pittman — Texas
    33 — SAC — Hassan Whiteside — Marshall
    34 — POR — Armon Johnson — University of Nevada, Reno
    35 — WAS — Nemanja Bjelica — Serbia

    36 DET — Terrico White — Mississippi
    37 MIL — Darington Hobson — New Mexico
    38 NYK — Andy Rautins — Syracuse
    39 NYK — Landry Fields — Stanford
    40 IND — Lance Stephenson — Cincinnati

    41 MIA — Jarvis Varnado — Mississippi State
    42 MIA — Da’Sean Butler — West Virginia
    43 LAL — Devin Ebanks — West Virginia
    44 MIL — Jerome Jordan — Tulsa
    45 MIN — Paulao Prestes — Brazil

    46 PHO — Gani Lawal — Georgia Tech
    47 MIL — Tiny Gallon — Oklahoma
    48 MIA — Latavious Williams — Christian Life Center Academy (TX)
    49 SAS — Ryan Richards — England
    50 DAL — Solomon Alabi — Florida State

    51 OKC — Magnum Rolle — Louisiana Tech
    52 BOS — Luke Harangody — Notre Dame
    53 ATL — Pape Sy — France
    54 LAC — Willie Warren — Oklahoma
    55 UTA — Jeremy Evans — Western Kentucky

    56 MIN — Hamady N’Diaye — Rutgers
    57 IND — Ryan Reid — Florida State
    58 LAL — Derrick Caracter — University of Texas at El Paso
    59 ORL — Stanley Robinson — Connecticut
    60 PHO — Dwayne Collins — Miami

  • james brown

    trash!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Thank you. I see no connection either.

  • Acbc

    You might as well ask why tweets exists, why Facebook is so popular or mirrors are everywhere.

    Existential in dictates that we must validate our existence by actions, photographs and memories.

  • Linzen

    Stop reading at Lakers 2014.

  • LAJane

    Existentialism is kind of fancy, even. Just basic herd animal instinct 🙂

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Hornets will trade Lin either.

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/676442018550255616

  • Acbc

    Lol, I am only fishing for comments from those who has enough intelligence to rise above the herd or heard mentality. Thanks for noticing.

  • TTNN

    Hay, be nice. We have to thank people like Rick Johnson that’s how we got so many information quickly. If you are not interested in it, no need to comment, but no need to pick on people who do it. Tweeter is a social media, following people you are interested in is not stalking. Please.

  • Acbc

    Thank you. If only Khuang is a NBA scout, Lin would have been drafted correctly. Lol

  • CJSHYY
  • CJSHYY
  • 1mtoldman

    and here would be an appropriate place to repost my “redraft” of lins draft class in “basic career production” as of beginning of this season:

    in 2010 there were 60 players in the nba draft. (standard)

    lin was not one of them.

    here’s how lin stacks up against those 60 other players in what im calling “basic career production” numbers thus far. (total points, rebounds and assists)

    below are the players from that draft in the order they were drafted and in parenthesis where they rank in terms of (my thus defined) “basic career production”.

    (minimum 1000 bcp to have actual # listed, everyone else is below 1000; only above 3000 given numbered position/rank)

    lin exceeds all but 9 of those 60 players drafted while he was not.

    john wall 10585 2.
    evan turner 7607 4.
    derrick favors 6974 7.
    wesley johnson 4665 14.
    demarcus cousins 11266 1.
    ekpe udoh 2111
    greg monroe 9741 3.
    al-farouq amaniu 4795 12.
    gordon hayward 7470 5.
    paul george 7041 6.
    cole aldrich 1380
    xavier henry 1521
    ed davis 5056 11.
    pat patterson 4764 13.
    larry sanders 3031 21.
    luke babbit 1473
    kevin seraphin 3467 18.
    eric bledsoe 5912 9.
    avery bradley 3335 19.
    james anderson 1967
    craig brackins
    elliott williams
    trevor booker 3932 17.
    damion james
    dominique jones
    quincy poindexter 2267
    jordan crawford 4610 15.
    grevis vazquez 6265 8.
    daniel orton
    lazar hayward

    tibor pleiss
    dexter pittman
    hassan whiteside 1081
    amon johnson
    nemanji bejilica
    terrico white
    darrington hobson
    andy rautins
    landry fields 3242 20.
    lance stephenson 4510 16.
    jarvis varnado
    dsean butler
    devan ebanks
    jerome jordan
    paulto prestes
    gani lawal
    tiny gallon
    latavious williams
    ryan richards
    solomon alabi
    magnum rolle
    luke harangody
    pape sy
    willie warren
    jeremy evans
    haranday ndaiey
    ryan reid
    derrick character
    stanley robinson
    dwayen collins

    jermey lin 5564 10.

  • Actually, monitoring AJ & other Lin friends do matter indirectly to gauge JLin’s response about his current role in the team.

    Usually, if JLin is happy, he responded quickly with thank u and positive message but if it was ‘misused’ like BScott did last season; he was mostly quiet.

    So IMO it’s actually helpful indirectly for us fans to understand JLin’s mindset based on his response (or lack of it) at any given point of time.

  • Keep up the great work!

    IMO it helps indirectly to assess JLin’s mindset at any moment by looking at response on his friends’ tweet (happy or no response) to his friends’ tweet. Last season, he was mostly quiet when his friends complained about BScott’s tanking treatment

  • linfan

    Interesting and largely accurate article about JLin on the Hive site: http://www.atthehive.com/2015/12/14/10099620/is-jeremy-lin-happy-as-a-hornet. Author is clearly a Lin fan but tried his best to be impartial.

  • JJ Hui

    People here knows better and the fact is LIN is in NBA but you are not!!!

  • Uh-Oh

    If they make it public obvious they want people to read their tweets. Like Lin’s brother, sis in law and josh fan a while ago, they keep it private because they don’t want to share with the public. Sometimes Lin fds and Al may post something related to jlin that some may want to and interest to know.

  • heart

    Stop reading when the author said this about Lin: “he isn’t at the same level as Curry, Paul, Lillard or even Bledsoe. McHale helped Lin’s career by making him accept this role.” Actually, what McHale did was derailing Lin’s career and relegated Lin to the bench w/o merit!

  • linfan

    Yes, that is what I meant when I said there were things we would disagree with.

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t need to click. smh!

  • heart

    I feel that sometimes these are type of backside compliments/commentaries to keep Lin suppressed to at stay ‘backup’ level instead of allowing him to rise to his full potential as a ‘starting’ pg caliber.

  • CJSHYY

    I agree. What’s the purpose for this article?! Even Mc showed up… ? smh!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The Hornets want Lin but he’s just as good as a backup PG, that’s the purpose.

  • CJSHYY

    This blog have some writers hate Lin’s fans… they like to get the attention or click… w this talk should will get some Lin’s fans to debate w them again.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Without us who else paying attention to Charlotte? Even their undefeated NFL team does not get national coverage like the Patriots.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s for sure. In fact, most of their articles read only by Lin’s fans… why bother to care what they said…

  • JJ Hui

    But the proper way is button the top button only!

  • The Author attacks Lin’s personal character without any good evidence. Author writes,

    “When he had his triple double game off the bench, Lin tried to pretend he wasn’t aware of it. In the post-game interview Harden called him out on it, “He knew, he knew man,” indicating how he found Jeremy wanting to look humble – annoying.”

    The Author’s words imply or state three things:
    1) Lin was lying,
    2) trying to look humble
    3) annoying.

    The first two claims are attacks on Lin’s character, especially the first. (The third claim tells us more about the Author than anything else.) If Author had evidence for his claims, then they would be worth considering, but all we have is the word of Harden. Really? The Author is trusting Harden’s word over Lin’s? Don’t you think Lin would have a better idea of what he knew than Harden? And would anyone really want to trust Harden’s moral character over Lin’s? That’s pretty weak evidence.

  • He goes on to attack Lin’s personal, moral character. See my above comment.

  • Lin Win

    Are you stupid? This is written by the NBA. These replies like yours are typical of people who don’t know basketball and follow Lin.

  • Lin Win

    For real? They had to pay him 15mill and a first round pick to absorb the contract. I think Lakers wanted to try out Lin since Nash wasn’t in good health and the first round pick was just the topping of the cake.

  • Lin Win

    These are scout reports were made by the Lakers when they traded him AFTER LINSANITY. The fact that you guys get all defensive when some criticism is written about Lin is unbelievable.

    The scouting reports are based on Lin’s stats so there isn’t any bias here.

    “BS wanted reports just like this to DNPCD Lin. I wouldn’t trust any of these so call experts with anything about Lin”

    This is the reason why no one can have a discussion here when you make up this kind of rubbish here.

    Reports were made before the trade happened and Byron Scott has no knowledge of these.

    ” The only thing for certain is that whatever the scouts have to say, it’s bound to be bias.”

    WOW just wow.

  • Rick Johnson

    Good pickup

  • Lin Win

    Thank you for being the only guy who actually reads,understands basketball and doesn’t go making conspiracy theories like the rest!

    The main reason that Lin isn’t “suitable” for the SG role is because like the reports say “lacks the next-level offensive skills: he is a face-up driver and does not utilize his sturdy frame for post-ups”

    Shooting guards in the NBA now uses post-up as an effective way to shoot on smaller/weaker guys. This allows the SG the ability to draw double teams and get open players. Lin’s been notorious for being a bad post-up defender and lacks the strength to defend against post up plays.

    Another small reason is that Lin isn’t a good spot up shooter which shooting guards need. His spot-up shooting is 24.3% in Frequency but only hits at 32%(Behind Jeremy Lamb,Nick Young and even Luis Scola)

  • Rick Johnson

    Wow, Charlotte up to # 5 in NBC Sports NBA Power Rankings

    Kurt Helin‏@basketballtalk

    PBT’s NBA Power Rankings: Warriors on top, Charlotte up to fifth http://dlvr.it/D0znjv

    https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/676506095771254784

  • Spot

    Every player got a price tag. Depends on what other teams put on the table.

  • sws94

    Shows their priorities and POV.

  • sws94

    I do as well. Give me apples, I make apple pie. Give me lemons, I make lemonade. Give me tomatoes, I make a salad. I make the best apple pie, but I’m going to be great at lemonade and salads too.

  • Spot

    Only SG who post up now: Kobe Bryant.

    League now give ball to PG apart Paul George and Unibrow.

  • sws94

    Klay Thompson. I’m sure there are more.

  • sws94

    Wiggins is a swing man but plays SG.

  • Dorothy

    Thanks for posting
    DO NOT GIVE CLICKS.

  • The high Net Rating reason to place Hornets #5 is very interesting.

    Since Lin & Lamb has the #2 & #3 highest Net Rating among Eastern Conference guards, they might as well credit Lin & Lamb to help Hornets be ranked #5.

    And if people claim they simply outscoring bench players, Batum/Lin/Kemba placed 1st, 5th, 10th in the 4th quarter Net Rating for EC guards before Celtics game. When we say “No Lin, No Win”, NBA.com/stats really backed it up!

    5. Hornets (14-9, LW 9). Now we are into the part of the rankings where the next seven teams could be in almost any order, they are so tightly clumped. Charlotte gets this spot because it has won of seven of 10. At +5.8 per 100 possessions, Charlotte has the best net rating in the Eastern Conference this season. Better than Cleveland, Chicago, Boston and everyone else. Al Jefferson being out won’t hurt too much, their defense is elite and 10 points per 100 possessions better when he is out.

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/675471184595521537

    4th quarter Net Rating for EC Guard (Batum/Lin/Kemba, are now #1, #7, #11)
    Link: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP*GE*15&Conference=East&PlayerPosition=G&Period=4

  • Yes, this is simply a fan post with a hidden agenda to take a swipe at Lin’s character & set up Hornets as the ideal place for JLin to resign as a backup PG cheaply. Please DO NOT CLICK

    There is no mention at all of how JLin’s strength as PG was not fully utilized as Adi Joseph’s intelligent article explained.

    While Hornets team offers the best team chemistry and playing style, it hasn’t addressed the glaring issue to maximize Lin’s PG potential. JLin has the best court-vision as a PG to orchestrate offense, and Kemba should be the lethal SG on offense.

    It’s a good thing Coach Clifford has been experimenting with JLin to run the offense with Kemba on the floor.

  • Spot

    Kevin Martin is the SG. Wiggins is SF. Like Paul George.

  • Spot

    How many times Thompson goes in the post? Percentage.

    If he does 10% of the times it doesn’t count. Even Jeremy posted up once.

  • blubell
  • Dorothy

    NBA referee Bill Kennedy reveals he is gay; Rajon Rondo alleged to have made slur to him. SMH
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-referee-bill-kennedy-reveals-he-is-gay–rajon-rondo-made-alleged-homosexual-slur-to-him-174255321.html

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Have no worry. Facts speak louder than words. The malignancy couldn’t cover the truth that Lin has been drastically improved in defense and ball handling. Jeremy is now the game changer for the Hornets. Whenever the first unit got themselves into troubles, coach Clifford has to call on Jeremy to turn the game around. This is what Batum and Kemba has failed to do for the team.

    Note who was handling the ball when Batum was going for the triple double. It was Jeremy who gave him the Alley-oop dunk. Nobody else. Why wouldn’t they let Kemba do it? Kemba couldn’t. It’s not his game to assist. Kemba is the type of scoring PG who dribbles and shots better than making passes. Kemba has been creating shots for himself more than others.

    Yes, Lin is used like a backup PG and he will be used like this in this season. For Lin to help this team most, Lin has to play tremendous defense and has to help Lamb to score. That would give Lin all the tools to be an elite PG in the future. I haven’t heard the abuse that Lin couldn’t defend for quite a while because nobody cares to listen to this kind of lies anymore. Lin is a stopper in defense that would discourage the scorers like h***.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The Charlotte fans will revolt if they trade Lin now. After they see how Lin brings the team back time after times when the Hornets was at the verge of being blown out, the fans cheer for Lin to save the game for Hornets. The starters have more than once finished the game with big negative in +/-. Ball don’t lie.

  • Spot

    My opinion: if Sixers put Noel on the table Charlotte will do that.

    Lin Kaminsky for Noel and Wroten.

    But if D’Antoni doesn’t go there nothing will happen and Jeremy stays in Charlotte.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    In this case, it’s not the salary that’s the main concern. The other teams has to give many first round draft choices for Lin because he is moving towards the role of being a game changer at both ends of the court. Jeremy Lin is the key in defense and the offense right now. There are so many times that Batum and Kemba being stopped cold. Without Lin, the team would plunge quickly.

  • CJSHYY
  • Spot

    I know. But they see Jeremy as just an energy guy.

    Anyway, I answered you before.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    No team would give much to a player who is going to opt out next season for sure. What’s worse than a one year rental is a half year rental. Hire MDA and any team can get the service of Lin with only a boost in his contract and nothing else.

  • Acbc

    Your scouting report needs to be much more accurate to begin a debate. We have no idea when it was made so we can’t counter those stats. Without those parameters, we are only left with point of view.

    This person talks about Lin as SG but that means already he’s not talking about Linsnaity stats at all. Lin was a PG during his stay in NYC. Those stats are facts and not fiction. By comparing apples to oranges you can basically say what you want. Lin is smaller for a SG that is fact. What may not be fact is that he lacks athleticism. Lin was tested during the summer league for athleticism and was ranked top 1-3 on speed and quickness.

    The points he makes about defence is subjective based upon his observations. The only stat he posts is positive BUT he again comes back to the original point of departure of Lin as SG. Lin has shut down PGs like Lilliard, Curry and Parker keeping them off the score sheet way below their average.

    The writer starts with a premise about how Lin isnt a good SG because of his size and that he can’t defend his opposite, again because of his size. Well, of course his size is going to be a difficult thing for him to overcome. Not many of us want to see Lin play as a SG, but we are willing to accept it on the Hornets roster as a matter of choice convenience so that he gets play time. So explain to me why Lin’s been so successful defending as a SG?

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    An energy guy who can help the team out of a hole quickly. An energy guy who can play first team minutes. An energy guy who can turn on the offense and defense immediately. The versatility of Lin is unmatched in the league. How many games that Lin had helped the Hornets turn around; a lot.

  • Spot

    Kaminsky is perfect for D’Antoni.
    Wroten is not needed in Philadelphia.

    It could happen. But only if D’Antoni go there.

  • Spot

    Agree. But they don’t look at Lin in the same way unfortunately.

    Let’s see what happens.

  • Phoenix Rising

    1) Where are you getting your numbers from? Using Nba.com –
    Catch&S Pull up
    2013-14 : 41.3 33
    2014-15 : 37.5 37.4
    These include 3 ptrs, so not bad at all. He is clearly in a funk so far this year. No point looking at stats for only 25% of a season. Agreed?

    2) Lin is an elite finisher at the rim. Not good, ELITE. In 2013-14, Lin was top 5 fg% on drives in the whole league. Lets ignore the Lakers year because we all saw the silly offense they were running (no P&Rs, clogged paint). This year, Lin is shooting at 58.4% for shots less than 10ft. That is crazy! He is a guard!

    3) You see where I am going with this? When you are driving a Ferrari, you don’t attach a trailer to the back and carry bails of hay. Ferrari = Elite ability to drive to the basket, trailer = post up with big fat a#% 😛 You play to your strengths man. That’s my point. When Lin is so good at a few things, then why do we need to focus on the things he doesn’t do. Look at what Carlisle did with Monta on his team, and this guy is REALLY bad at defense. As SWS94 (bws94, admit it!) put it – apple pie from apples, lemonade from lemons. And hot girls from Ferrari’s, not bails of hay.

  • PETE B

    Story behind the Sixers’ much-needed Colangelo ‘course correction’
    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/25408575/for-sixers-the-story-behind-the-much-needed-colangelo-course-correction
    …Silver spoke with Colangelo to gage his interest, made the introduction to Harris, and then stepped aside, league sources said. Silver is not even privy to the details of Colangelo’s contract, which league sources speculate includes an ownership stake in addition to control over basketball decisions. His official title: Special Advisor to the Managing General Partner and Chairman of Basketball Operations.

    Sam Hinkie, architect of the Sixers’ three-year strategy of rebuilding through scraping the bottom of the standings while collecting future draft picks like bubble-gum cards, remains the general manager in title alone. No one in the league expects Hinkie’s voice to carry over Colangelo’s when it comes to personnel decisions going forward. That ship has sailed, along with the needlessly complex equations that built it.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    With BS as the coach, no player can help his team to succeed right now. Maybe in the past, player like CP3 can help BS but not even CP3 can help his team right now. The Clippers had been defeated by many teams in the Eastern Conference this season. They lost to the Raptors, Bulls and Pacers. In the Western Conference, the Clippers even lost to the trailblazers. BS is a worn out coach in NBA and he’s only good for tanking at this moment.

  • PETE B

    Story behind the Sixers’ much-needed Colangelo ‘course correction’

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/writer/ken-berger/25408575/for-sixers-the-story-behind-the-much-needed-colangelo-course-correction

    Josh Harris’ office is located six city blocks from Adam Silver’s, so given their mutual interest in the success of a $5 billion business, it’s no surprise that they’d occasionally bump into each other and talk.

    As a member of the NBA’s planning committee, Harris often has formal business to conduct with the commissioner. But this business was more pressing. This was Harris, as the managing owner of the Philadelphia 76ers, realizing he had a problem on his hands.

    The problem, as outlined here, was that his team was awful — and in the view of observers around the league, getting worse. As teams go through cycles of winning and rebuilding and then doing it all over again, it’s a common refrain among personnel decision-makers that you can only sell two things in the NBA: success and hope.

    Harris’ Sixers had neither.

    The tipping point was the revelation that the team’s foundational star, No. 3 pick Jahlil Okafor, had gone rogue with a series of legal transgressions — including a much-publicized fight outside a Boston nightclub. Not that a grown, 19-year-old man needs a babysitter, but Okafor had arrived after one championship season at Duke and been dropped into a rancid dunk tank of losing, with virtually no veterans around to show him the way.

    It’s not clear who called whom, or exactly when, but it was around this time when Harris and Silver first spoke about how best to reroute the organization’s course.

    “[Harris] realized this is a tremendous asset that he has, and that it’s not just about my draft picks and not just about my wins and losses,” a league source familiar with the discussions told CBS Sports.

    Harris and his partners, including fellow private equity titan David Blitzer, came to the conclusion that they needed what one league source described as a “course correction.”

    “It was him saying, ‘I need help,'” the source said.

    Enter Jerry Colangelo, the 76-year-old architect of USA Basketball’s renaissance, former Suns owner and past chairman of the league’s Board of Governors to save the day.

    For Silver, I’m guessing that a team on the West Coast that’s 23-0 and one on the East Coast that’s 1-21 isn’t what he had in mind when he reconstructed the league’s collective bargaining agreement four years ago in search of competitive balance. But while the commissioner had a role in the Sixers hiring Colangelo to right the ship, how proactive Silver was has been a bit misunderstood.

    Silver did not compel Harris to make the change, nor did other owners twist his arm to intervene, a person familiar with the highest levels of the talks told CBS Sports. When Harris asked for advice, Silver gave it in the form of a list of people with what one person described as “real-life experiences” to consider for the job. At the top of the list was Colangelo, who Silver has known since his first day in the NBA 23 years ago.

    Silver spoke with Colangelo to gage his interest, made the introduction to Harris, and then stepped aside, league sources said. Silver is not even privy to the details of Colangelo’s contract, which league sources speculate includes an ownership stake in addition to control over basketball decisions. His official title: Special Advisor to the Managing General Partner and Chairman of Basketball Operations.

    Sam Hinkie, architect of the Sixers’ three-year strategy of rebuilding through scraping the bottom of the standings while collecting future draft picks like bubble-gum cards, remains the general manager in title alone. No one in the league expects Hinkie’s voice to carry over Colangelo’s when it comes to personnel decisions going forward. That ship has sailed, along with the needlessly complex equations that built it.

    So as the Sixers’ tale of woe wound hopelessly around the league, the lone victory registered against the equally clueless Lakers on Dec. 1, it made its way to the six-block, one-avenue radius that separates NBA headquarters from Harris’ office at Apollo Global Management. And now, there’s a new pilot at the controls.

    After all, it’s just basketball — and the point of basketball is simply to collect good basketball players and get them to play together.

    Harris, with an assist from the commissioner, finally realized that it’s not rocket science.

  • blubell

    Back to spiky hair? lol

  • RETWEET to Vote JLin7 for All-Star since he’s ranked #2 in Net Rating for EC guards,
    helping Hornets to get the best Net Rating in the Eastern Conference

    It’s a major reason Hornets is ranked #5 in PBT’s NBA Power Rankings:

    Note: Lin/Lamb/Batum/Hairston/Kemba are ranked #2, #3, #12, #22, #23
    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/676530858635825152

    Link: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=GP*GE*15&Conference=East&PlayerPosition=G

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Kobe is soft like Charmin this season, his last in NBA.

  • sws94

    Should have been that here, just came out with the s in front.

  • Acbc

    This is the bottom line with Hornets. They want Lin as a bottom rung of the pyramid to lift the top tier guys above their career average. Kinda like atlas lifting the earth, lol.

    M&M perfected that agenda. Hornets are much more subtle. We can at least be thankful for the fact that they’ve been at least only saying good things about Lin. How long that will last is again up to FO agendas.

    There is one last hope with this team and that is after they get Kemba into the all star game, they all of a sudden decide to win instead of specific political agendas or maybe even try to push for Lin to resign with them.

    My hope is still for Lin to reunite with MDA in Phili.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin is the key for Hornets to success. How many times that the starters can do it without the help of Mr. Lin. I don’t thing it will happen. Clifford wouldn’t allow this to happen. After the extension of his contract, Clifford begins to use Lin more often and put him in the game before Lamb. The coach knows how to win games. That is not to under-use Jeremy Lin. Without Lin to general the 2nd unit, the bench with Brian Roberts simply wouldn’t be a winning factor for the Hornets.

  • PETE B

    Inside the 76ers: Colangelo wasting no time changing ‘The Process’

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20151213_Inside_the_76ers__Colangelo_wasting_no_time_changing__The_Process_.html#IFQWLsDHVYxbfwI8.99

    TORONTO – The movement the 76ers call “The Process” has changed.

    It became obvious on Monday, when Hall of Famer Jerry Colangelo was hired as chairman of basketball operations after NBA commissioner Adam Silver urged the Sixers to do so. It’s even clearer now that Colangelo and coach Brett Brown are engaged in talks with Mike D’Antoni to become the associate head coach, according to league sources. It’s a role that could be filled by late December.

    “The Process” we’ve come to know is over.

    Sure, Sam Hinkie remains as general manager and president of basketball operations. The Sixers (1-23), whom he successfully constructed to lose games, will continue to do that at a high rate. And they’ll still have a chance to get four first-round picks in the 2016 draft.

    But having discussions with someone who has a coaching resumé like D’Antoni’s is something the Sixers front office under Hinkie avoided.

    Hinkie sought out young coaches with player-development backgrounds over people like D’Antoni, a 64-year-old with four NBA head coaching stints. Even the Sixers’ coaching finalists in the summer of 2013 had strong player-development backgrounds before they eventually settled on Brown.

    But D’Antoni isn’t the lone person the Sixers will look at while trying to fill gaps on their coaching staff. Now that Colangelo is on board, the team wants to get more coaches with NBA experience in the mix.

    “They are bringing in basketball people,” said one NBA executive, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Before, [former front-office executive] Courtney Witte was the last basketball person. They brought in all analytic people. Now it is reversing the trend.

    “They are bringing in Colangelo, a famous basketball person. They [might bring] in D’Antoni, who is a former player and a former coach. It’s going the opposite way. My personal opinion is it is for the good.”

    But it may not be good for several assistant coaches and staff members.

    Colangelo isn’t talking to D’Antoni just because he has 12 combined years of head coaching experience with the Denver Nuggets, Phoenix Suns, New York Knicks, and Los Angeles Lakers. D’Antoni is someone Colangelo trusts to be his eyes and ears since he’s more than 2,000 miles away in Phoenix.

    The two have a relationship dating back to their days with the Phoenix Suns in the early 2000s. Colangelo is the former Suns owner and was a longtime cornerstone of the franchise. D’Antoni went 253-156 in five seasons as the Suns coach. They also worked together on the USA Basketball staff, where Colangelo serves as the chairman.

    “There’s a reason why he’s there,” a second NBA executive said anonymously. “And it’s not only to help coach. It’s mainly to be the eyes and ears of the coaching staff and the front office back to Jerry Colangelo. There is no question. No one can talk to me about anything else to talk sense to change my mind.”

    That can become an uneasy situation for a third-year NBA head coach like Brown.

    Perhaps as a way to not have Brown look over his shoulder, the Sixers gave him a two-year contract extension on Friday. It has him scheduled to remain the coach through the 2018-19 season.

    But expect the Sixers to reevaluate everything they have done since Hinkie was named general manager in May 2013. They need to do that in order to find out what’s needed to take the next step in building a championship contender.

    It will be interesting to see whether Hinkie will still have his strong in-game influence. But adding experience to the bench has led some to believe the organization is ready to focus more on teaching the game than player development.

    “These players aren’t learning how to play basketball,” the first league executive said. “They may be learning how to shoot better and dribble better. But the way they play, they are not learning how San Antonio players are learning how to play basketball.”
    Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20151213_Inside_the_76ers__Colangelo_wasting_no_time_changing__The_Process_.html#rlSemEokxvA4ZguP.99

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Last season today, Lakers was 8-16 with a newly addon Jeremy Lin and now Lakers with his coveted 2nd draft choice and the extra first rounder from Lin’s trade, the return of Julius Randle in full power, the team is 3-21.
    BS is running out of excuse in poor coaching. Those scout report about Curry has told us how valuable they are. They are pretty much worthless.

  • Acbc

    That is why I don’t trust stats unless we can see what the parameters are. It’s like how the less than 1% of climate scientists who still post stats that the global temperature is on the rise by manipulating those parameters. You can make it look much better or worst and present it as fact.

  • sws94

    I don’t understand all of the Philadelphia posts. They seem OT to me. D’Antoni is a former coach and unless he specifically says something about Lin, then it really doesn’t involve him. I know we post about the Lakers and Houston due to Lin playing on them, but Lin never played on Philadelphia and D’Antoni isn’t even their coach.

  • wu kong

    23 game net ratings chart: ( refresh for chart.)

    Of Note:

    F Kaminsky and JLin have +9.3 NetRtg swing when they are ON versus OFF the court. (11.9vs 2.5 and 10.6vs1.3)Meaning the team is better by 9.3 points per 100 possessions when they are on the court.

    K Walker has a -9.7 NetRtg swing when he is ON the court versus when He is OFF the court. (2.9vs12.6) Meaning the team is worse by 9.7 points per 100 possessions when he is on the court.

  • wu kong

    source? for report

  • Phoenix Rising

    1) Exactly, the scout has made a false argument on the sg-pg spin, which he isn’t backing with data when he is supposed to.
    2) Clearly Usain Bolt isn’t an athlete. (before someone else jumps on this point, its an exaggeration made to show the discrepancy – speed not equal to athlete?)

  • wu kong

    haha sws and bws I have been out of town a few days is this a debate here? I thought it was known? I thought it was so obvious.

  • occupatio

    this is a good update about dragic trying to fit in with wade and miami. some parallels with lin’s career. let’s just say dragic has not fared as well in adapting to a different situation and system, esp playing off the ball.

    Heat searching for answers to Goran Dragic quandry
    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14362992/miami-heat-searching-answers-goran-dragic-quandry

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    That’s because the Hornets starters have always dug themselves into a big hole at the beginning of games. Then Lin and Kaminsky routinely check in and pull the team out of that. Kemba and Jefferson haVE really been discouraging to the team MOVING to a new direction; a new style of basketball on the court.

  • Briiick

    At least he is in a better environment than Lawson.

  • occupatio

    yes houston is worse than miami.
    and lin did better in houston than dragic in miami.

  • occupatio

    one thing i hear repeatedly about the dragic and wade pairing is that they both like to work from the left side, so that creates conflict and difficulty for dragic.

    just amazing. this long in the NBA and dragic still heavily favors the left side. (sure, harden does too as well, but he can cover up that limitation in many ways.)

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    GMs like Sam Hinkie and Morey are like dinosaurs in Modern age of basketball. They could brag on their analytic but they don’t win games. Morey kept on imploding the Rockets and banked on James Harden until this dude becomes a well known disappointment this season. What a disappointment would Harden be if they voted him the MVP last season!

    Hinkie would go down first and Morey would be the next GM to be fired.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I won’t give my 2 cents to this if Dellavedova is the first.
    A point to note. Clifford has recently put Lin, Lamb, Batum on the court at the same time. That certainly help the landsliding of Batum playing with Kemba and Jefferson.

  • occupatio

    there is a reddit thread about this. the most interesting part is that doc rivers used a gay slur on kennedy back in the boston days and ever since then kennedy has heavily rigged the games against doc’s teams. haralobob (the professional gambler) has confirmed the numbers for this too.

    well, we know that kennedy used to call phantom calls on lin often, and wouldnt give lin calls on the other end. based on the doc story, we know kennedy doesnt even try to be impartial or objective. (i’m not defending the slur used against him of course, but it is kennedy’s job to be impartial.) kennedy has ppl he dislikes for whatever reason and will use his officiating power to get at them.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Look Lin is hired to do what he’s doing. There is no remorse and bad blood in this kind of arrangement.
    Lin, however, has proved that he is much more than a role player. Let the things rolling, Lin very soon will earn the reputation to be the team leader in the 2nd unit to win games for the team. Clifford now starts to put Batum to work with the 2nd unit in order to save Batum’s reputation. Batum can be stopped but the Charlotte bench continuously to show signs of improvement. With 2 7 footers and Lamb for Lin to lead, the 2nd unit can’t fail. Stats will tell how lethal Lin can be even without the ball.

    From now on, the statement that Lin needs the ball in his hand to succeed is no longer true. Lin has shown us more than once, he’s as lethal without the ball. People should start asking Rose after beaten by Lin in virtually every game they encounter this season.

  • it’s because of the most recent NYPost MDA article where Clifford said MDA always looked for opportunity to get Jeremy Lin on his team again.

    I’d rather Lin plays for MDA as a head coach to achieve his highest Nash-like potential; Associate Head Coach in 76ers might not give him enough freedom to play JLin. But we’ll just wait & see for more news at the end of season. More options for JLin will be good for his career.

    When Clifford worked with D’Antoni for one season with the Lakers, the former Knicks coach always raved about Lin.

    Mike always wanted to try to find a way to get him on his team again,’’ said Clifford, a former Knicks assistant coach. “He told me Jeremy’s a worker.’’

    Jeremy Lin finds a home after Carmelo friction, Warriors flirt
    https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-redemption-of-jeremy-lin

  • blubell
  • Phillycheese

    Sorry, Even if the system, coach and players match Lin perfectly, with Lin as the best player, that team will not be a contender. I not hating on Lin, but I just don’t think he is at that level. Even Chris Paul hasn’t willed his team deep egularly into playoffs, and Lin is not on his level.

  • Phillycheese

    Sacramento is Asian owned. Lakers have minority Asian owner.

  • sws94

    Yes, I have a similar opinion. I personally would much rather Lin in his role on this team than starting. Starting he is a way less important player. In this role, he’s a crucial player. The starters often get down and then the bench led by Lin solidifies once Kemba leaves the floor and not only makes up the deficit, but gets a lead and changes the energy and momentum of the game. Lin also plays with the starters at end of halves sometimes and closes games most of the time. But that role of being a bench leader and the bench making a huge difference elevates Lin to something special. I know it isn’t the great starter many fans here want to envision, but it isn’t bad. And unfortunately now, there are many strong PG starters and Lin is considered really good, but not in their category. As the bench leader and game wrecker, Lin has a dominant role and place in the league.

    As you said, now Lin is doing more with not having the ball in his hands as much and will do more even with Kemba and Batum. But we have to be patient. Some nights will frustrate and he won’t seem to get the ball much. But we’re moving in that direction and he’ll have more involvement when those 2 are on the court.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The success of the Hornets so far has proved the need of tanking to success is baloney. All the Hornets has done is to sign up some key players in the off season and to draw up a new game plan, it’s enough to turn a dismal season around. If you let people like Morey and Hinkie run your organization, the league would be in big trouble.
    Sam Hinkie is doomed. Morey would be next. This league wouldn’t allow them to exist. They are bad news in drawing fans to games.

  • CJSHYY

    I agree Associate Head Coach maybe just like consultant only can’t really have power to do too much.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The associate head coach stands by and gives hope to the team which is destined to fail this season. After that, the team will have to take major steps in renovations and innovations. They need Brett Brown to pick up the remains before the new head coach steps in. Note, it’s just a two years extension which is not enough to a turn around.
    Brett Brown might just be the interim coach when the organization starts to move to a new direction. MDA will communicate to him what’s need to be done and he has no choice but to accept what’s given to him unless he wants to be removed instantaneously. I call this great transitional management.

  • Briiick

    Morey doesn’t have any pro BB experience. I feel that they use the “analytic” to hide their agenda and ignorance in BB and scare most fans (who are not good in math) off questioning their wrong doing..

  • 1mtoldman

    the amazing thing to me is that tho this was obvious to anyone with half a brain how right up until the moment the league effectively stepped in how almost all commentators and pundits and fans also were insisting that hinkie was a genius and that the process was the way to go.

    80% of articles supported this “tanking to success baloney”.

    and only a rare voice here and there mumured dissent rite up to the moment of the crash.

    im glad the curtain has finally been pulled to reveal nothing behind.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    ditto. First MDA will have to find a young Tyson Chandler and Steve Novak for his team. Then Lin will be the PG to make the team click.

  • zxcvb

    This was 2 days ago. I don’t think MDA is the end of Colangelo’s big moves:
    https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/675654307413426177

  • Linzen

    Check out this video. Hornets at #7
    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14368305

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin is set up to success with the bench he’s having. Spencer Hawes and Kaminsky are two very underrated 7 footers. Lamb is a sharp shooter that could save energy for Lin. You surely don’t want Lin to drive to the basket too often and get smashed. Lamb could make life easier for Lin with his outside shooting. Hawes and Kaminsky are both outside threats that spread the court. All Lin needs is a hot handed Marvin Williams or Batum to make the 2nd unit lethal. Lin should win more games with his newly developed tools in defense and offense. Lin is not just a PnR PG. His back door plays without the ball and his block shots and team defense have been clicking at high note.

    This is a season for Lin to gain attention around the league as a well all around team player. He can score and he can defend and he can succeed with or without the ball and he has cut down his turnovers. Next season is going to be a very promising one if Lin continues to succeed as the floor leader with the 2nd team who has done more than eye-catching scoring. They have held the opposition to very low scores lately.

  • james brown

    that’s the beauty of appreciating facts in the NBA..one story leads to another that surprised some but to other its already a news..Not because one has nothing/something to do with X doesn’t mean Y will not be affected. Not saying or stating something can be of useful information in the future.

    Let us not forget that all teams in the NBA are associated by a link and a little move from one team can affect other teams whether directly or INdirectly, but most of all, the moving pieces (Players and Coaches) MUST always be ready.

    Remember the players of rockets that was traded before a game and those players readying to play was asked to change clothes and will fly to their new team without them knowing it in advance and with NO news about such.

    well, that’s the beauty as I said of NBA as a whole!

  • james brown

    well said.
    Intricacies of NBA!

  • james brown

    they use their connection to make false statement and push it in the throat of everybody and forced them to like it even it taste foul.

    They made a fake Hero so they can become the hero themselves!

  • james brown

    what do you mean? can you please expound on the landsliding of Batum?

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Hansbrough is currently playing at a PER of 26.89.
    Gosh is there something right about the way he’s used or something wrong with PER?
    Anyway, he’s playing well, really well with confidence. I love his 3 point shot that really drives home his confidence.

  • 1mtoldman

    per is not a very credible number. there are much better similar rating estimates; when people talk about per they are referring specifically to the creation of espn’s hollinger.

    go down the whole list of per numbers and see it doesn’t appear very credible as a recreation of any reality; i mean there are worst systems but there are a lot better formulas.

    also: i mean if yer going to use per at all you have to drop out marginal players ie. establish a minutes/games played “qualifier”.

  • thanks, two wrongs definitely don’t make a right.

    Rondo should be fined but I hope the league will give warning to Kennedy to stop using his power to abuse and single out players/coaches

  • sws94

    Watching the Indiana-Toronto game. Hill has very impressive PnR defense.

  • james brown

    i believe that given a valuable pieces with Lin will transform that team into a formidable one barring injuries and ego tripping. No need to have a tyson chandler but if they can have him will be a welcome addition and a novak like player can do also even it iwill not be NOvak.

  • It’s because PER is a per-minute rating and Hansbrough has been productive with scoring & rebounding in his limited time in mostly garbage time against 2nd-3rd string players.

    But it says good potential to give him more min. He’s been quite a physical presence and he can run PnR with Lin.
    Despite not having the explosiveness to finish around the rim, he can hold his own & shooting strokes are quite good.

    I’d like to see more Lin/Hansbrough Magic in Orlando!

  • james brown

    Hans has no finesse on his movement but he can deliver.

  • james brown

    Per alone is not a good basis of ones potentials. But coupled with refined stats , Per can helped in enhancing the appreciation on all given facts!

  • 1mtoldman

    would agree.

  • 1mtoldman

    trying to reload this page seeing the initial posts on this link come up: someone on here predicted the bucks win over g.s.

    who was it? (anyone remember?)

  • He’s got a lot of hustle and energy. Together with Lin, they can be electrifying!

    I notice Hansbrough doesn’t have explosive hop like Ed Davis or finesse to finish around the rim but he compensated with his mad rebounding skill

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even MJ once said he would not play for another coach beside P Jackson. Lin choosing the best fit coach for his style is winwin for them both.

  • james brown

    sometimes, awkwardness can throw the opponent OFF..LOL!

  • james brown

    but between MDA and Coach Cliff, whose the most fit with JLIN?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That stat is like shooting 100% because only one shot made and attempt.

  • yes, whatever it takes :]

    I found this GIF of Psycho T & Marjanovic of Spurs is funny (refresh)

    http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-08-2015/NGrLFw.gif

  • blubell

    If Psycho T was on another team, I would be like “what’s this guy’s problem” but I find it funny because he’s on our side. LOL.

  • wu kong

    I read a very good explanation of PER… saying it is good/decent to indicate future possible potential… but better used after a good season of stats input into formula. not so good at day to day right now performance.. essentially don’t use it to day trade on a player… might be useful for long term prediction of player… but of course that all assumes player is being used properly and not our of place etc… because part of the formula is a correction to the norm for the player position…So a very complex number that is thrown around as if people know what it means… many people try to use it as a one fits all single number for ranking players and that would be misusing the number.

  • wu kong

    so all that rambling for the TL:DR crowd Be careful with PER

  • occupatio

    as for the other hill, jordan hill is still a worthless player. nothings changed.

  • sws94

    the PG, Hill.

  • occupatio

    i know

  • Joe what do you know

    There is the Luca Brasi of the Hornets….

  • Acbc

    Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are stupid. There’s a lot of us who understand the game very well. What is typical is your adherence to the same derogatory remark about Lin fans as just a bunch of ignorant Lin only fans. Stupid is what stupid does, lol

  • Psycho T has this “deer-in-the-headllights” eyes that are so very funny

    This is a more complete hilarious interaction between the two of them:

  • The total fundraising is now = $1350
    Thank you for your generosity, @Dorothy:disqus!

    I’ll try to find interesting JLin GIF for every update.

    Here’s “JLin Sick Block!”
    (refresh)
    http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2015/R4GWnj.gif

  • ESPN Power Ranking has Hornets at #7

    https://twitter.com/PeteGuelli/status/676577104071229440

  • It’s not wrong to maximize the potential that a player can have, especially during JLin peak years in the next 2-3 years.

    Nash wouldn’t win 2 MVPs had he not play in MDA’s system

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Christine’s highlights:
    https://youtu.be/IuWK8DdCVFQ

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    @psalm234:disqus Please read DM in Twitter from Anli and acknowledge to her that you have seen her request. Thanks!

  • got it. thanks!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Thanks for the prompt response. Really appreciate it!

  • wu kong

    Is JLin performing worse than expected??? I keep seeing people talking about his shot being off… yes his fg% is lower than we would like to see but I believe it is a factor of play time not so much a shooting form correction… I think this is why we see the Mr 4th quarter effect. He gets more efficient with his FG% with more play time. The magic I believe in New York was simply him getting minutes. It is not that his ability waxes and wanes but simply he needs time on the floor…it is interesting to look at his FG% with Time on the floor simply over and under 30 minutes play time.

    so when out and about arguing for more playtime for JLin feel free to use this little chart. Ad effective as he is now imagine with more playtime.

  • Acbc

    They are proof that having success elsewhere doesn’t preclude you from being the sucker born every minute. How else can you explain so many white collar schemes that dupe millions of dollars from people looking to make a quick buck on a pyramid scheme.

    If it sounds too good to be true, then don’t touch it even with a ten foot pole.

  • sport

    Wow with ownership stakes to the team? But seriously why not fire Hinkie right now? Why wait? I don’t feel great if Lin has to play under that GM who is the same as Morey!

  • jeremy

    He will get voted in anyways he’s just too good to be left out

  • jeremy

    Very encouraging
    they dont have a strong starting unit but bench is pretty good
    when you have an above average first unit and an above average 2nd unit your team will be pretty good

  • Michael

    Dunk rate??? Post-ups?? Scratching my head and it’s not because of dandruff.

  • james brown

    LOL!!!!

  • LAJane

    I just LOVE the confidence with which he heaves the ball! His body language is gorgeously casual. Rock solid.

  • Rick Johnson

    FlexPower is a pain relief cream. Is it just used by all athletes routinely or when they have having pain problems? Back pains as we have been speculating?

    https://twitter.com/capitalyumi/status/676599608072536064

  • CJSHYY

    I think back did bother him….

    #1 Best Seller in Joint & Muscle Pain Relief…. … Endorsed by Tim Howard, Salomon Kalou and Claudio Reyna, this pain relief cream offers instant relief from aches and pain. … Use Flex-Power daily to help relieve pain from muscle, joints, arthritis, back, shoulder necks, ankles knees …

  • cdblue10

    Philly here we come whether we like it or not:-)?

  • Michael

    Hot girls!

  • Hope

    Is it really happening?

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I don’t venture onto other BB forums so I can only guess. Is bws94 a prolific Lin doubter/critic on other forums? Here she tries to be subtle but on JLin.net she is more blunt.

  • DX

    Any news?

  • wu kong

    Chemistry lesson…. so what is the main active ingredient here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexpower#Active_ingredients

    trolamine salicylate (10%)

    Trolamine salicylate is an organic compound which is the salt formed between triethanolamine and salicylic acid.

    Salicylic acid (from Latin salix, willow tree, from the bark of which the substance used to be obtained)

    Aspirin! so basically fancy Aspercreme 🙂

  • BobbyH

    Many pieces have to fall into the right places first.

  • Briiick

    Great finding !!!!

  • Joe what do you know

    Is this from a reliable source or just your Christmas Wishlist?

  • cdblue10

    No news yet except for MDA but as BobbyH said many pieces still needs to fall into right places,MDA is the first one.Philly has a lot of assets to secure good players next year so if Lin will land on Philly they will compete for the playoffs

  • cdblue10

    Christmas wish list Joe

  • yes, the “Been There, Done That” demeanor shows high-level of confidence =]

  • John Focker

    Was reading an Kobe article from Taiwan, and one of the commenter made a hilarious remark:

    “Kobe transformed basketball into Men’s Single Tennis.”

  • Rick Johnson

    What does Spencer Hawes have on / in his hands? Looks like a scarecrow:

    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/676608466341920769

  • Warren

    Yao Ming To Be Inducted Into Hall Of Fame In 2016?
    http://www.morningnewsusa.com/yao-ming-inducted-hall-fame-2016-2348529.html

  • Joe what do you know

    Alright…. That’s see if Santa responds…

  • Joe what do you know

    ….. The ball goes over the net…?? Am I getting the joke right?

  • Joe what do you know

    A voodoo doll maybe. But what really got my attention was his belly…. He needs to cut down on those post-game beers…

  • John Focker

    Turned team sport into one man’s game, teammates became spectators.

    But why not, bricking over (or under) net works too. 🙂

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    It’s just disappointing the way JLin handled his FA. As the dominos began to fall, he was hanging out in Taiwan singing karaoke. He rejected the Sixers without even hearing them out thinking he was gonna sign with Spurs or Mavs. By the time the Spurs signed LMA and DJ flip flopped on the Mavs, Lin was probably out of options. Then suddenly Cliff shows up saying all the right things in his sales pitch. Listening to how Cliff drools over Batum, you can tell that he layered the BS on thick and heavy. Lin was like where do I sign? The precedents of Mo Williams and Lance Stephenson should have set off alarm bells.

    So he could have started the season in Philly with a much better salary and maybe helped them win a few games. Then as Colangelo and MDA join he could ignite the afterburners and lead them to the playoffs.

    Instead he’s now at the mercy of the Hornets FO. He has no say about whether they trade him or not. And if they do trade him it’s pretty darn close to impossible for the 1-25 Sixers to make the playoffs this season.

  • John Focker

    Criticism based on conjectures bears little footing.

  • jeremy

    76ers are trying to lose
    they are doing everything they can to lose now
    I wouldnt be surprised if Lin received some DNP-CD’s there

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Which conjecture do you doubt?

  • jeremy

    Well deserved as a contributor but also was a great centre, super star
    Would have been a HOF level player had he not been injured for so long

  • Joe what do you know

    Philly still carries the stigma of a tanking team. We all see what happened at Lakers last year. If the coach and the FO is there to ensure a loss, what kind of treatment would Lin get? Unless you want to see Lin gets benched for doing well in the 1st quarter like…. Every single game…

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Not any more. Who knows if Lin signing would have changed their strategy? It wouldn’t have hurt to meet with them and hear their offer.

  • DX

    I am OK for Lin go there next season. Hope they sell to some richer owners.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    And why are we now telling Santa that we want a trade to Philly? 🙂

  • james brown

    all..
    “water under the bridge”
    “don’t cry over spilled milk”
    “more”
    LOL!

  • Joe what do you know

    I didn’t wish that. That was cdblue’s wish. I’m just impartial to all these trade talks drumming up by the people here. I know I don’t affect the decision of anyone involved in the actual trade if that truly happens. I’ll just wait and see what the outcome is and keep supporting Lin wherever he ends up.

  • james brown

    Hornets at the mercy of JLIN next year….
    moreover its a rental for 1 year that’s why he chose the hornets also..plus so many factors and 1 factor cliff’s sales talk

  • sws94

    I don’t usually watch the Rockets but did tonight. Ugly. Harden missed a late 3. Lawson is not utilized on the team. Just ugly. Lost tonight. They looked better last year but really not very good now,.

  • james brown

    they are falling apart just like the knicks after a yeear JLIN left them. organizational EPIC FAIL

  • cdblue10

    Yep next season is the best time.

  • james brown

    No they are tanking for 3 years because its was hinkies great plan..so tank continued even they got JLIN last FA

  • james brown

    not me wishing but because of sudden appearance of NBA itself, Philly now has to stop its plan of tanking because NBA doesn’t permits it. It is already affecting financial situation of the entire league and losing credibility as a whole.

    Interference of NBA against 76ers is good now because some signs are falling into place..if it will continue, JLIN has now two option comes trade deadline or next FA – HORNETS AND PHILLY!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    He thought he found his home. Instead, everyone says he should realize not to expect much as a min salary bench player.

    Lin has improved his skills as much as possible. But what he needs most is experience running the point in NBA games. He will now miss that opportunity for the 4th straight season.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Nah, most of it’s probably right. But who knows maybe it will turn out ok anyway.

  • I remember Lin did mention in Asia that most FAs are waiting to see where DJ & LMA would go before teams made any moves so the timing for negotiation did not conflict with the Asia tour.
    Even Papa Lin mentioned several interested teams when he was asked in Asia.

    Plus after the DJ drama of being locked in a house when Cuban was knocking at the door, JLin signed with Hornets possibly 1-2 weeks after the brouhaha.

    I still think JLin made the right decision to go to Hornets for 1 yr rental and declined MEM 3-yr no-player-option contract.
    He’s getting more minutes, Clifford give more PG role and Hornets are winning after a tough start.

    Hornets won’t trade JLin since their D will collapse. Lin pretty much made the rebounding by committee works for Hornets, run plays when Kemba and Batum shots stop falling, has the 2nd highest Net Rating w/o being featured prominently. Lin is starting to hit his strides now after the purported back injury seems to go away with better performance recently

    Lin getting traded to 76ers mid-season will be bad since he can’t get good playoff performance to get good offers next season. If MDA and Lin agree to find each other somewhere (not necessarily 76ers), that’ll be good for next season, not now.

  • james brown

    he found a home but that home seems not ready to adopt him right now?

    nope jeremy is still jeremy…

    jeremy plays the same since his college days, Dleague, warrior,NYK,houston and Hornets…his style and energy is still the same and his composure and understanding of the game is the same..the only thing that change are his improvements and enhancement to his games..throwing some bad baggage’s and acquiring new good ones. He’s better but still the jeremy lin of before..Watch his game during collegiate games and compare it today and you will see what i meant by what i had said!

  • Warren

    the guy single-handedly put Asian basketball on the map. Kudos to an absolute legend.

  • james brown

    hornets signing was the better choice because he has the freedom to do for whatever happens this season comes next FA..opting for the 3 year contract, could ruin his career and will never be benificial for him in the long run. That’s why JLIN i believe was using his wits during last FA.

  • james brown

    thats why its called conjecture..not sure if it will happen!

  • james brown

    he’s surely a Pure ASIAN!!!
    LOL!

  • TTNN

    so you are saying you’d rather him on a 0-19 team? nice.

  • sws94

    1-25. Depressing.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Agree with some of your points but you are not remembering the timing correctly. Lin did not sign (or at least commit to) with Hornets 1-2 weeks after DJ switched. It was within 1-2 days of the DJ switch. It may have even been before the public knew about it if I recall correctly.

    Perhaps it didn’t matter that Lin flew back after FA started but it does seem like he rejected the Sixers without a meeting.

  • TTNN

    yeah, did not even bother to follow after that. Depressing.

    The fact that how Hornets turned around at least shown that some of what Lin believed in is correct, he said he want to win. And they are winning.

    Don’t get why people come here and want him on the 76ers,

  • yes, JLin smartly invested on himself for 1 yr in the system he believes will be the best fit compared to other NBA teams.

    At the end of next season, I believe he’ll weigh in his choices again to choose the best team to help realize his dreams (starter, All-Star and rings playing his style of basketball). For now, I just hope for clutch performance in a lot of Ws and deep playoff run. We know that’s how players get their good contracts & deals.

  • your son’s voltaire

    the hornets are now 5th on the power rankings due to their “elite” defense. hmm, i wonder if it would be so elite if Lin wasn’t on the team..

    5. Hornets (14-9, LW 9). Now we are into the part of the rankings where the next seven teams could be in almost any order,
    they are so tightly clumped. Charlotte gets this spot because it has won of seven of 10. At +5.8 per 100 possessions, Charlotte has the best net rating in the Eastern Conference this season. Better than Cleveland, Chicago, Boston and everyone else. Al Jefferson being out won’t hurt too much, their defense is elite and 10 points per 100 possessions better when he is out.

  • sws94

    MDA. I get it. I don’t agree but I understand it. But MDA or no MDA, they are cellar dwellers and losing is depressing. They are worse than last year’s Lakers and that wasn’t fun.

  • 1-2 days? wow, that’s even faster.

    We didn’t know exactly what broke down in DAL deal but we know it’s probably not perceived good by Lin camp. I remember he said in FB to a complaining Mavs fan asking why he gave Mavs the short end of the stick, “Don’t believe everything you read in media”.

    So there’s definitely some twists in that Mavs deal. Maybe also trying to lock him in 3-4 year cheap contract? Who knows. I hope someday JLin writes a tell-all book =]

  • John Focker

    Al’s absence not only did not hurt, it HELPED the team become faster, more flexible, and less predictable on offense.

  • TTNN

    right, I understand MDA part, but don’t get the play for MDA even the team is loosing part. Hornet is a team that is easy to root for, player are easy to root for, I would not say that for 76ers. So far I have not found any player I like on that team.

  • joyce ward

    I think Parsons didn’t want lin there.Parson’s wanted the ball in his hand.

  • james brown

    some people couldn’t understand that an option is always an option..I am tinkering of 76ers if and when their Organization shows a semblance of an organized and well meaning basketball plans. NBA is doing something about their scheme and want it to stop and moving everything on its power to change and clean the mess.

    Now when the mess is clear and there’s something to consider, JLIN i believe can see that because its the only problem before he has said that cause him not to consider the team [not having a definite and clear perception on what were 76ers basketball plan.]

    so if and when that changes do come into fruition with 76ers, it all boils down to the point that….JLin has 2 options now..either the Hornets or Philly come next FA or if come early and gave JLIN the key of the team..well and good

  • joyce ward

    Is Parsons coming off the bench with the Mavs?

  • oh, I fully believe that since Parsons lobbied hard with Cuban to be the Point Forward.
    Perhaps Carlisle explains that Parsons will be the primary playmaker so JLin can see the writing on the wall of how he’ll be marginalized.

  • james brown

    they can change just like the hornets..for as long as there’s a definite plan and FO is doing this not to tank, they are good come next season.

  • possibly coming off injury, right?

  • james brown

    how many times did JLIN gets the Defensive play of the game and its not JUST for nothing!

  • joyce ward

    maybe,but I read that Carlisle said that it was Parson’s idea to come off the bench.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    If you didn’t bother to read it then don’t reply with an ignorant comment. I said that with JLin their record could be much better especially now that management is changing.

    One thing I can tell you is Lin does not like to play for a coach he doesn’t trust. That’s why he chose Harvard over Stanford. If Cliff lied as much as I think he did, Lin is probably very unhappy.

  • Acbc

    Lol, addition by subtraction is the key to hornets success…so true. “Say no more, saaaay no more”!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Thank God the Eastern Conference is so competitive, the team has to do the best they could to survive. Coach Clifford has to put his best players on the court or else, they would have to take a plunge in a few games. Detroit and Atlanta are only 1.5 games behind the Hornets and they are out of the playoff picture right now.
    In this situation, there is no breathing room for player development or other issues. They just need to play Lin more or else the team will quickly see the doom.
    This is the ideal situation for Lin to grow.

  • sws94

    I like Lin where he is. Otheres don’t like Clifford. I think he’s acceptable and implementing slowly what he said he’ll do with Lin. But others want to see him play more PG and think that with D’Antoni he would. It’s more D’Antoni than 76ers and then changes happening to personnel. I agree with you. I see nothing appealing about that team. I’m not even a fan of Okafor.

  • sws94

    Hornets have a better nucleus, were let down by injuries. And while they weren’t a winning team, they weren’t what the 76ers were.

  • Briiick

    That is eaxctly why I have been optimistic about Lin’s opportunity to shine this season.

  • could be true to take it slow

  • joyce ward

    yep,that probably why Parsons volunteered to come off the bench, so that he could lead the bench.LOL

  • james brown

    and i do believe that his basketball plans and GOAL is still the same..
    Be a ROTATION PLAYER,
    be a STARTER,
    and win Championship….
    that was his plans and i know it still is right now even though derailed by some events we already seen and witnessed.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    FYI, the Hornets barely clings to the 4th position. Currently there are 3 teams with the same record at the 4th. Losing 1 game, the Hornets could be at 7th or 8th because Boston is only half a game behind the 4th.

  • That’s probably one of the main reasons Coach Clifford has been yelling, “You play point, Jeremy!” even when Kemba was on the floor.

    Every game counts. I’m sure Clifford looked for ways to minimize Kemba and Batum ISOs not falling in the last 2 min of the Celtics game. It’ll be a good wake-up call they need to run well-designed plays against good teams

  • John Focker

    Let’s see how can Clifford keep pushing the Kemba agenda.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    That was about a week after JLin returned from Asia if my memory served me right before he made up his mind to join Hornets. It was huge surprise for everyone. JLin chose his team for 2015-2016. We didn’t and don’t have any privilege of what was going on. It is all water the bridge. Let’s just enjoy JLin’s journey. Won’t worry about his next team until the season is over.

  • lol .. easier to practice by leading the 2nd unit?
    good theory

    I haven’t watched how limited he is now after the injury

  • james brown

    i know where your statement comes in…

    were just speculating/discussing some of the facts that are flying in the NBA right now…BUT at the end of the day, It is STILL JLIN who will make that decision for himself NOT US!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Clifford has to use the best players at best. There is no room for his preference. He just has to win as many games as possible to stay alive in this conference.

  • Mr Chuckles

    Although a contributing factor to get these stats might be, if he is shooting well, he gets more minutes.

  • james brown

    wrong info…JLIN wants to go to stanford and tried his best for them to accommodate him but to no avail..Harvard was his LAST CHOICE..(watch Linsanity the movie)

  • JJ Redick pulling a weird “RoadRunner” prank when being interviewed?

    https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/676625918484348928

  • james brown

    5 player has to come in just to make the hornets competitive and that 5 players are performing and almost the core of the team!

  • Phoenix Rising

    Lol. No debate, we’re just having fun 😀

  • james brown

    me too!
    on not worrying..
    LOL!!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Last I heard because he was playing limited minutes after the surgery. He preferred to play in second half. After Mavs game, I care little about him and any previous JLin teams and his ex-teammates. Not going to waste my little time that I have after all commitment with those teams/people except JLin.

  • Rick Johnson

    Cliff said that? Was that a fan report out you could hear it on the broadcast? With Jefferson out it magnifies the need for JLin to run the point. Starters with Kemba at PG have poor offense. What we’ve seen in spite 1st quarter starts. I think slow ball where Krmba just passed to Jefferson in the post kind of hid Kemba’s poor ability at PG. Doesn’t take much PG skill to just pass to Al in the post.

  • james brown

    funny and why?

  • sws94

    I seriously am not looking past where he is now. I’m not looking at the end of the season, I want to see how far Lin can help the Hornets and it is fun to watch a winning team that often shares the ball pretty well. I’m not thinking of MDA and Philly at all, but a lot of others are. I guess I’ll think about it when the time comes but right now I’m not.

  • Phoenix Rising

    I haven’t visited jlinnet since this site started so can’t say. But he/ she has been a Lin fan on the other sites, since start of both seasons. Similar positions as here, except he/ she ends up defending Lin a little more from other posters on those sites.

  • james brown

    otherwise they will be down again every first quarter of the game by a big margin…DIGGING big HOLES!

  • Like this RoadRunner move
    (refresh)

  • Rick Johnson

    He has minute limitation due to injury, recovery, but wants to be in to close games. So comes off bench and finishes.

  • james brown

    video pls…i longed to see that event as Cliff finally remember why he liked JLIN much!

  • no clue =)

  • Rick Johnson

    Bad case of diarrhea?

  • james brown

    like the one who made a parody of him,,wheres that movie?

  • not sure we have it in highlights

    someone mentioned it during game but not sure which quarter?

  • james brown

    or his MOM called him…baby come here and suck this milk!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    It adds to the versatility of the team. When they are well ahead, they can play big Al and Kemba to use up the time clock. When they are far behind, they could use the fast lineup; essentially, the 2nd unit to catch up.

  • I think it was in the MEM game? But not sure which quarter was it

    Someone said it was so loud you could hear in broadcast

  • Acbc

    The coach is why…all of the people that wants Lin to Sixers only want Lin to reunite with the only coach that ever truly believe in him. The only coach that thinks he is better than a backup.

    Lin is winning but he’s having to do it at the mercy of others roles, coaches decisions, gm’s agendas. Basically Lin has no control of his own destiny. How can you even justify Lin playing on a team that doesn’t operate on merit? Lin can’t earn his way.

    Ask yourself if you were given a possibility of working on a startup company that will base your salary and position on your work and ability, would you take it? Meanwhile your present job is one where you are a manager but people keep getting promoted ahead of you using your work as their own. There is no meritocracy in your present company, only politics and who knows whom and who brown noses the best. That’s the situation Lin’s in. I can’t speak for others but for me, I’d much rather take a pay cut and make a chance on a brand new startup with good leadership.

  • sws94

    I think he’s shooting better, but he hasn’t gotten hot yet. Last game he played 32 minutes because he was a factor on the floor. Made some big shots, got to the line, played D, made plays, got boards, played a complete game. And in the Memphis game, literally no Lin no win. He was the biggest factor in that game. Played many minutes of that game too, and it was a blowout. He’ll especially get good minutes now that Lamb has been exposed and a lot of holes are showing up in his game. They’ve scouted him and have taken some things away while Lin has looked at film and he’s making effective adjustments. When his long-range shooting gets hot, then he’ll contribute even more.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Nope, that’s not what happened. Stanford turned Lin down for a BB scholarship. But they wanted to accept him to the school with the chance to play as a walk-on. But Lin refused to take the call from Stanford’s coach saying he didn’t want to play for a coach he couldn’t trust. This probably led to Lin getting rejected to Stanford altogether as implied in his video, “How to get into Harvard.”

  • james brown

    that’s what i am saying after some exchanging of words with you before..i get you and i am with you on that too…i am happy on his development with the hornets and hoping it will continue , the sharing of the ball and team play and his consistent PT and production.

    BUT, but..LOL..

    i can’t helped to enjoy also the prospect that lies ahead..bear with us for our discussion can also be REAL/unreal somehow, someday!

  • Rick Johnson
  • Kwok Wai Lai

    All it takes is an off-season to turn things around for the sixers. Right now, Hinkie hasn’t done a damn thing to improve on the roster and the players. All he knows is to tank. Tanking doesn’t make a championship team. They could tank forever and still won’t make the playoff because Hinkie is just an amateur as far as basketball is concerned. He is more a mathematician than a basketball professional.

    You need a real professional to run the team; not a scholar like Morey and Hinkie. Their days are over.

  • james brown

    share your view and examples!

  • ah, you could be right.
    JJ impersonated BDotADot5’s impersonation of him LOL

    https://youtu.be/q1lQKiGCUP0?t=1m15s

  • sws94

    And there’s no game happening now. But we sometimes get this soon after a really good game by Lin.

    There’s wanting to recreate something that I think may not recreate as envisioned. Some of us think, and I’ve discussed this with people on other boards, that Lin and MDA together again may bring disappointment. I think that’s a distinct possibility and I don’t think MDA is the only coach that believes in Lin’s game. I think Clifford believes in it but in a different way some here do, maybe the majority. And I don’t think it is a demotion for Lin to play from off the bench as long as he’s in the game at critical times. I don’t think it is a slight on Lin not to start him and to use his skills and energies as a game changer later in games as long as sometime towards mid-season, he gets enough minutes to wreck the game and be factor. Especially when he isn’t as much of a weapon in the first unit. But some folks just need him to start. Not me.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Even Lin has not scored much, he is climbing up again in PER and RPM.

  • grover chang

    Your previous post made the analogy between Lin and Jazz. I liked that post a lot. I like to listen to music when watching Lin play sometimes rather then the commentators. Most of their comments are silly. I don’t normally listen to jazz. Which songs would you recommend to listen to when Lin comes in the game.

  • james brown

    he’s looking for a scholarship more than ever and stanford rejects the idea. choosing Harvard after that was the only thing to do.
    well that is clearer than your first statement and completes if we are talking about choices, but in terms of preference, he preferred other IVY college and put Harvard as the least because of its Basketball plans.

  • Acbc

    Lol, watch Linsnaity again and you’ll see Lin saying that he tried everything with Stanford. He used to go to their gym and practice and ask the coach what he could do to get a spot on their team. So who’s the ignorant one now?

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Yep, as I’ve posted before, the last minute breakdown of the Mavs deal probably threw Lin’s FA into chaos.

    I’m counting on JLin writing a tell all book. Then I’m going to fill this blog up with one million I-told-you-so’s! 🙂

  • james brown

    maybe during the time when KW , Batum and JLIN were playing at the same time and there was a confusion between KW and Jlin as to whose going to bring the ball and plays PG..it was just for 2-3 plays in succession and after that KW becomes the PG again.

  • james brown

    that’s it!!!!
    now i know that this is not a parody but a reflection of what is REAL!

  • Acbc

    That’s probably history being rewritten.

  • JoeTeam

    Ttnn, good to see you here.

  • james brown

    50/50 chance of happening too..you’re speculating also..”different stroke for different folks” so whats new and whats wrong with others if there’s nothing wrong with yours.

    Let them be and we will live in harnony..avoid what’s not best for you and do what you think will give you the most benefit.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You of course! Read my response to James Brown just below. And if you still don’t believe me ask psalm234. This is a favorite annecdote of his too that he has posted many times.

  • sws94

    I’m not speculating much. I see Lin’s role growing and him being integrated into the Hornets for this year at least. He’s wrecked games as the leader of the 2nd unit on the Hornets.

    I’m considering only if Lin can grow from this team and coaching staff and better his game and I think the answer is yes. Like I said, I’m not at the end of year or him somewhere else nor do I have an romantic thoughts on DMA (I like him as a coach, but I’m not sure that his best time as a coach has come and gone). I’m looking at the next chunk of games and hoping he keeps up strong in his crucial role on this team.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Stanford is not Ivy League. Stanford offers sports scholarships but none of the Ivys do. Lin was accepted to Harvard and Brown but he chose Harvard because it is the best Ivy in BB and simply the best school in the world at least by reputation. It made his parents happy. He had no guarantee of making the nba remember.

  • james brown

    this is still the future ..
    “I’m not speculating much.”
    “I see Lin’s role growing and him being integrated into the Hornets for this year at least.”

    so purely speculation whether its not THAT MUCH or MUCH MORE…speculation pure and simple..50/50% chances of happening….isn’t it clear to you?

  • Coach Diepenbrock told the story how JLin got mad feeling betrayed by Trent Jones.
    I think the movie is correct but just didn’t tell all the bad twists

    Here’s the article.

    Why Didn’t Jeremy Lin Go To Stanford?

    Lin was a star at Palo Alto High School and a Cardinal fan growing up. He was “dead set on going to Stanford,” according to his high school head coach Peter Diepenbrock, who also told SNY.tv’s Adam Zagoria that Trent Johnson misled Lin during the recruiting process. Johnson wanted Lin to walk on, and possibly earn a scholarship the following year. Diepenbrock and Lin were under the impression that Johnson had only one scholarship remaining for that year’s recruiting class, and that it would go to eitherLandry Fields or Da’Veed Dildy. Both Fields and Dildy committed to Stanford and both were given scholarships.

    Diepenbrock said Lin and his mother were so turned off by what happened, that when a Stanford assistant tried calling Lin later on to get him to walk-on, he never returned the calls.

    “Come on, coach, I can’t play for somebody I can’t trust,” Diepenbrock recalled Lin saying.

    Dildy started a total of five games during his Stanford career. Fields, who led the Pac-10 in scoring and rebounding as a senior, told Zagoria that he had no idea Johnson was recruiting Lin. It’s an interesting read and it raises a couple of questions. Would Lin have been admitted if Johnson offered him a scholarship? Or, was Lin admitted, and the rejection he refers to in the video is a reference to Stanford’s not offering him a scholarship?

    http://www.ruleoftree.com/2012/2/11/2792341/why-didnt-jeremy-lin-go-to-stanford

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Not the 76ers now but the 76ers with the coach that he trusts to use him at his best potential; the coach that he calls a genius.

  • JoeTeam

    Let’s see if Lin can ignite the hornets.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The commentators are absolutely crazy when they comment on one thing and then the next moment it is contradicted.

  • JoeTeam

    Yep, agree. One day at a time, enjoy it while it is good.

  • JoeTeam

    Lol Parsons you know.

  • So this is the answer. Last one in locker room has to dance =]

    https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/676635665342205952

  • sws94

    It’s observation. I see his role growing right now and him being integrated right now with his present team. It’s a progression. The only speculation is the if part of if it continues. This is a way smaller scope than him on some other team with a coach that isn’t even a coach there and turning a dismal, depressing record into something where Lin shines as much as possible once more to lead them out of it.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Coach Clifford mentions this too but he often contradicts himself at he beginning of the season by limiting Lin’s minutes around 22 to 23. That’s why Clifford prefers a nine players rotation more than ten or above. You have just to give enough minutes for a player to play at their optimum.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    ESPN lacks behind in ranking. Many sources has already ranked Hornets as the 5th.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin has blocked 5 shots in the last 2 games which immediately help him to be the number 1 shot blocking PG in the league.

  • james brown

    all the while i thought stanford was an Ivy university..thanks for the info and facts….now i know why JLIN doesn’t want Harvard or Brown, ..
    Schools in the Ivy league heavily restrict
    athletic participation. Training in the off-season is limited, no
    athletic scholarships are offered, and many other limitations are added
    that prevent Ivy League schools from being athletic powerhouses so that
    education remains at the forefront.

    That’s what i don’t understand before when JLIN said he did everything possible just to get in with stanford.

    But just like what JLIn said, its was ablessing in disguise for that year Harvard changed its view regarding Basketball and their plans that catered to the fate Jlin has right now.

    great story!!!!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    How else can Dellavedova be better than Lin on the court? I saw them play and it’s so obvious that Lin is better than Dellavedova in offense and defense even Lin doesn’t have LeBron to pass to.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Wow. That is a threat except to Kaminsky.

  • james brown

    yeah i can see JLIN is better than a mile with Dellavedova..but what about batum?

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Parsons is overrated. Dallas plays well this season not because of him though.
    Zaza Pachulia is the reason that Dallas has played better this season. Milwaukee with Zaza played much better than now. You never know how good this dude is until he left the team.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    ?(an emoji giving you the Na-na-nanana.)

  • It might be fun to have Kaminsky teaches JLin & Psycho T some dance moves =)

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Well if he did get a scholarship from Stanford it would have saved him $200 grand in tuition which his grandma loaned him but then got back 5x as much in interest 🙂

  • lol .. it could be a while
    let’s hope it will be a long time after JLin finished his playing career like Nash did!

  • sport

    Random question whatever happened to the release of JLin’s dragon pack shoes? http://www.sneakerfiles.com/adidas-crazy-quick-2-low-jeremy-lin-enter-the-dragon-pack/

  • Acbc

    I’ll have to think about that one. I suppose it depends on how he’s being used. I’ll get back to you. I’ll have to try to think of a few of my favorites. But try looking for John Coltrane’s “my favorite things”. It’s kind of classic Christmassy to me. It starts out in melody and then the players take it apart and bring it back together. Early Coltrane is quite easy to listen to. Dave Brubeck, “take five”. My favorite jazz artist is Miles Davis and I have everyone of his albums. The one I listen to a lot is “kind of Blue”. Most Charlie Parker is good, Lester Young, Wynton Marsalis. Hope these will get you to appreciate jazz a bit.

    One thing you have to remember is that it’s not linear like the way we normally hear music. It’s not a intro, then middle and end like a story, which most pop and classical music tends to be. There is a sort of departure but it goes sideways from there and you have to learn to appreciate how each member takes the lead from each other intuitively. This is what’s actually exciting about listening to a jazz performance live. The changes can come anytime with surprising cues. The band just doesn’t miss a beat and follows. If you think about Lin playing with his teammates in such a way, you’ll also appreciate how intuitive they must react to each other as well.

  • Acbc

    Ignorance? I stand corrected. I should be “disappointed” at Lin for not giving me the whole story but I’m not. Lin told his story his way and it was powerful stuff to show us that we can all achieve things even when people “disappoint” us. Lin’s done a lot of good for Asian interests all over. I just thankful that he found his own way to reach the top of his profession while fighting all the slings and arrows thrown his way.

    Even from so call fans who are “disappointed” with him.

  • Acbc

    Lin, Batum, Hawes, Lamb and Hansbrough? Are these the 5?

  • John Focker

    Kemba’s a tough-sell, even in Charlotte. When you have Kemba as the face of your brand, there’s bound to be issues. Air Jordan might just be suffering as collateral damage, from the fading of the former star’s aura due to his inability to recognize talent when it comes to either players or coach.

  • blubell
  • 1mtoldman

    and other ratings too…well the last two games provided a big turn around but actually i mean he did “score much” (by his standards this season) in both those games.

    hes back to pretty much his perpetual position has “best non starting point guard” in the league.

  • 1mtoldman

    last i knew he was still on minutes limitation; minutes restriction.

  • 1mtoldman

    here’s an idea: (im sure will be lots of reasons why not)–lin’s back again to his usual position as “best non-starting point guard in the league”.

    kemba is shooting better than he ever has b4.

    mkg is out of the way so no reason to plunk batum unnaturally at 2 instead of 3.

    kemba wants and needs his minutes.

    kemba is the only top 20 rated point guard with less than 6 assists a game.

    lins assists are way down playing sg more than half the time.

    why not just make everyone happy.

    put lin @ 1 kemba @ 2 batum @ 3 and..i dont care who the bigs are. there are plenty to shuffle around.

    whats wrong with that?

    (first objection of average hornet fan already posed pre season cant have lin/kemba back court cuz both too little to guard big guards)

    my answer to that objection would be: kemba can’t guard anyone anyway, just let lin guard whoever the scorer is on the other team, most teams dont have 2 scoring back court players. so whats the difference?

    thoughts….

  • 1mtoldman

    pls.

    this is misleading. jordan sells more shoes than any other current or retired athlete.

    58% of all shoe sales.

    all this article is saying is the shoe flippers ie. secondary market hustlers who are trying to turn the shoes for a profit are having a harder time doing so because jordan is flooding the market with so many shoes.

    its not that they’re selling less shoes its that they’re selling more. there are just too many being made to sell all of them to people trying to re-sell them.

    jordan’s brand appeal (which he just won a huge settlement or two to maintain in the tightest of conditions) is still gold above anything else. not even close.

    air jordan isn’t suffering; only the slimy re-sellers finding the kids can actually pay retail price for the shoes and don’t have to cut in a middle man.

  • 1mtoldman

    Bobby Marks: Starting tonight at midnight, 378 out of the 447 NBA players will be eligible to be traded.
    – via Twitter BobbyMarks42
    Trade

    Bobby Marks: 26 FA who signed over the summer cannot be traded until January 15th. 20% above their previous salary if signed to early or bird exception.
    – via Twitter BobbyMarks42

    (whats the difference between an early exception and a bird exception and more importantly:

    is there a cool hybrid “early bird” exception.

    (well we all know what the early bird gets/catches).

  • JoeTeam

    Good morning all. Merry Christmas from my last road trip of the year. Woke up to a white Christmas so beautiful. Still doesn’t a few minutes reflecting.

  • grover chang

    Thanks for the great suggestions. If you didn’t get back to me I was going with Miles Davis tomorrow. I know I couldn’t go wrong with him.

  • wu kong

    So I have be travelling a lot lately and not keeping up with NBA happenings… so maybe you all had a good convo on this already but I just came across this article about D Howard’s B-day party where the coach JB Bikerstaff was parting with the guys on the team. and yes this is after McHale was fired and JB is the interim head coach… I thought this was weirdly inappropriate. http://ballislife.com/rockets-interim-coach-j-b-bickerstaff-rappingdancing-at-dwight-howards-birthday-party/

  • wu kong

    I looked at stats by quarter last year trying to determine just this and there seemed to be no correlation to better performance early on earning more time on the floor.

  • wu kong

    so i posted the fg% for jLin with over and under 30 minutes play time splits. This always gets the question/push back that well he must heave been doing poorly in the first quarter to warrant ‘benching’ him and playing him less than 30 minutes. so I looked at quarterly fg% just an example here showing the fg% in ’13-14 per quarter in games where he does on to play > 30 minutes and <30 minutes total… as far as I can tell the fg% early on in the game have nothing to do with whether he plays 30 minutes or not… refresh for picture… lots of data here… I should probably do this for every year and try to get TTNN to help me write up something

  • wu kong
  • wu kong

    it just really looks to me to be play time causing the increased fg% not better fg% resulting in more playtime

  • CJSHYY
  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Thanks for sharing your intel.

  • David Kim

    Lin much better p & r player than kemba

  • CJSHYY

    That’s for sure.

  • Spot

    Much better player

  • wu kong

    they did this last year and look to update… send suggestions for jLin :-)https://twitter.com/HiveTalkLive/status/676799944028585985

  • golfhacker

    I saw someone posted a chart yesterday (I forget who) that showed Jeremy’s season-by-season FG% when playing 30 mins game. Every year his FG% was higher when he played > 30 mins/game. This is one major reason I would want Jeremy to sign with the Sixers, provided MDA is on the coaching staff.

  • sws94

    Lin may play against Oladipo. Oladipo has been struggling but he is an extremely athletic, skilled player. If he’s on, he’s a highlight reel. Oladipo will be coming off the bench I understand, so he may be guarded by Lin. That’s a challenge for Lin.

  • wu kong
  • golfhacker

    Haha – that’s funny you posted right before me. Thanks for the chart again!

  • Chopz

    Thats why Marv’s the man.

  • CJSHYY
  • takemeback2reaganyears

    We can see Kemba at the other end.

  • Chopz

    Dang are we in the offseason? This is the longest i remember without a hornets game since the start of the season. I think the most we’ve gone without a game is 2 days. On day 3 now, i got withdrawals, help.

  • heart

    I notice Lin’s new form of shooting requires less jump/hop which could save lots of energy in the course of the game. The mechanic is mostly in his wrist. However, I also notice how he and KW follow through w/ the right wrist, but Lin switches his feet before shooting and KW kept his feet parallel.

  • CJSHYY
  • CJSHYY
  • Rick Johnson

    Rick BonnellVerified account
    ‏@rick_bonnell
    If suspension starts in Orlando, Jefferson would be back for home game Dec. 26 vs. Memphis.

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/676815387388985345

  • grover chang

    Marvin is a cool dude. You could tell he is a seasoned, mature veteran comfortable with himself and his game. The kids in philly could use an influence like him.

  • heart

    Friendly reminder: I Just voted Lin for All-Star.

  • grover chang

    Next night they got killed. Totally agree. Bikerstaff should not be partying with those guys. On clutchfans and on local radio, rockets fans were upset with their intern coach.

  • Dorothy

    I decided to add Psyco T to my votes and hope he will get more PT if he has high votes 🙂

  • Rick Johnson

    This is interesting. If you look at only when Lin is PG not SG his Net Rating per 48 is 18.4 which is 4th best in the league for PG’s. Only players above him are Ellis, Chalmers (MIA), Curry. Was Chalmers doing that well in MIA? Or is it some statistical aberration?

    http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/nba-playing-time-estimates-by-position/

  • Arsenium12 .

    As of today (Dec. 15th), Jeremy’s Facebook post has received 15,300 Likes, 1500 Shares, and 356 Comments.

    The comments show the impact of the post. Some of them are quite heart-felt. Here are a couple from parents :

    From : Richard Rivera
    As a father of a High School Freshman I needed to read this. I need to show this to my son. And I myself need to encourage him to enjoy high school. I’ve stressed the importance of him keeping his grades high since grade school. He’s in all Pre AP classes so his stress level is high on a weekly basis. Thank you for this read Jeremy. God bless you.

    From : Scott Leong
    Thank you Jeremy for taking the time to share your personal experiences. We see the competitive side of you in basketball, the humor and humbleness of you in your YouTube videos, and now even more..the compassion and understanding that you have in life. Appreciate your thoughts as kids, teens, and me as a parent see you as an inspiration and role model for all…bless you.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I think it meant Lin is 4th when comparing to other PGs.

  • wu kong

    I love this site 🙂 they do great stats

  • Briiick

    Voted for today.

  • Rick Johnson

    I understand that, but Chalmers is 2nd best with NetRtg +22.0. Was Chalmers actually playing well or was that from garbage time he got such a high NetRtg? Minutes played is 119.9 so 1/2 of Lin’s minutes. But still I would think enough to reflect something.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yeah his sample might be too small.

  • Rick Johnson

    Yes, one of the few places that you can split out Lin’s stats by position which general stats are diluted by him playing SG.

  • bolero

    Watch the line Jeremy..lol

  • bolero

    wu kong is the best..

  • Briiick

    All pushing, no throwing, it looks fluid to me.

  • occupatio

    you can be sure that ppl who think lin is just average will dismiss these stats. and it doesnt take much.
    “ellis and chalmers in front of curry? LOL”
    Or “Patty Mills! LOL” (despite mills being an excellent player in his role and minutes)

    when i look at it, i see aaron brooks, and i dont take it seriously. aaron brooks is somehow playing so well that he’s been DNP-CD.

    at least filtering that list to minimum of 200 minutes played will be much much better. but if you do that, youre kinda massaging numbers. basically, its really hard to get enough MP for a sample size to be comparable to starter PGs. bc cliff is stupid.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Ok got the answer, Chalmers was based on his only 6 games he played with Miami before got traded.

  • wu kong

    there is one set of data on there that splits between when playing against starters or paying against bench. love this data. jlin doe better against starters Kemba the same whether bench or starters. jlin does better than Kemba against starters. 🙂

  • occupatio

    another way of saying this: you can ‘win’ an argument using unconventional or so-called ‘advanced’ stats, but that doesnt mean that you’ve persuaded anyone.

  • Cookiemole

    I bet it’s the mr fourth quarter effect

  • wu kong

    stats can make someone take a second look or ‘open their eyes wider’ when watching the player.

  • occupatio

    wu kong and TTNN, is it possible to pull total team assists for playmaker lineups? eg, how many total assists for the entire team for lin-lamb only lineups versus kemba-batum only lineups? versus lin-lamn-kemba, and kemba-batum-lin.

    to me, this is more interesting and useful than looking at shooting percentages for lineups. team assists parallel FG% (since the shot has to go in to be an assist) but they also reflect efficient ball movement which is so important.

    also, the narrative that should be discussed about kemba is that his individual stats can accumulate at the expense of the team, and this argument can be supported if numbers show that his presence lowers total team assists, esp in lineups that normally have high team assists like the 2nd unit.

  • occupatio

    whats the value of a second look if they look with the same biases? especially confirmation bias.

  • occupatio

    you are comfortable with, and very good at, math and mathematical data. most ppl arent.
    and frankly there are also many advanced stats that are bull.

    again, i say stats are only persuasive when it comes with a narrative that someone can accept as observable or plausible.

  • Rick Johnson

    That’s great. Thanks, I didn’t notice the other sections splitting out against starters vs bench.

  • Here is the updated JLin 2015-16 Poll Stats Leaderboard (refresh for pic)
    @jakeyyy:disqus is the Top Leader with 7pts while @gojlintx:disqus and @CJSHYY:disqus are trailing closely behind.
    @melody:disqus is leading all mods with 4 pts.
    Note: Remember that Hairsanity is worth 0.5 pts. Exact match will also earn bonus 0.5pt

    http://www.jlinportal.com/2015-16-jlin-stats-poll-winners/
    LEADERS
    # of Wins UserName
    7 @jakeyyy:disqus
    6 @gojlintx:disqus
    5.5 CJSHYY
    4 @melody:disqus
    3.5 @sbbr
    2.5 @sog117
    2 @johnlee:disqus , @jakeyyy0:disqus, psalm234 , @jakeyyy1, @jakeyyy2
    1 @jakeyyy3, Kwok Wai Lai , @jakeyyy4,@jakeyyy5, Maknusia , @jakeyyy6 , @jakeyyy7
    0.5 @jakeyyy8, @jakeyyy9:disqus , @gojlintx0

  • Rumor of unhappy Dwight Howard to be moved to Miami by Feb 2016 to be the alpha-dog

    Chris Sheridan link: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/12/15/sheridan-dwight-howard-unhappy-in-houston-headed-to-miami/
    Note: Interesting rumor of Kings rejected Lakers trade on Cousins for Clarkson/DRussel/Randle+1 low 1st pick in early season

    https://twitter.com/hoopshype/status/676858380993085441

  • LinMad

    By Sam Perley, hornets.com

    To be competitive in the NBA, having a deep, versatile bench is absolutely imperative. Fortunately for the Hornets, early indications this year suggest they could have one of the league’s best backup squads.

    Early on in the 2015-16 NBA campaign, a major factor in the Hornets hot start has been the depth and capabilities of their reserves. Right now, the Hornets are averaging 40.4 bench points per game – good for fourth-best amongst all teams in the NBA. Last season, Charlotte ranked tied for 17th in the league in this category with just 32.2 points.

    Much of the credit can go to new Hornets arrivals Jeremy Lamb and Jeremy Lin, who going into Charlotte’s game against Boston on Dec. 12, were combining for the most bench points for any pair of teammates in the entire Eastern Conference amongst qualified players. Together Lamb and Lin are averaging 22.7 points off the bench for the Hornets, nearly three more points than the second-ranked pairing of Indiana’s Rodney Stuckey and Jordan Hill (19.8).

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/latest-buzz-hornets-hit-bench-help

  • kjch

    Not sure if kemba is face of brand, there seem to be other stars like carmelo, cp3 etc

  • wu kong

    debate/persuasion is not necessarily about bring the other party all the way to your side/point of view… simple little nudges in that direction is most often the goal. Also when posting things on social media the goal is seldom persuade the antagonist at all but to provide some info to all those other people lurking/reading that never post anything

  • wu kong

    who would by happy in Houston ?? what a silly question

  • Acbc

    The old saying that you can lead a donkey to water but you can’t make it drink is why stats are ineffective most of the time in perusing others to see the truth.

    Look at the vaccine situation in schools. Parents have their own beliefs and are willingly putting their kids in harms way no matter how much we try to tell them otherwise. People would rather believe disinformation and half truths than logic.

    The psychology of conformation bias or inattentional blindness is problematic in trying to convince people who don’t want to believe your stats. The utube test with the dancing gorela shows how easily our minds can be deceived into seeing only certain things.

    What’s important about all your effort is that it helps those few who are ready to see it and especially for us diehard fans to know that we aren’t crazy!

  • occupatio

    i get ur pt, but its a shame if the data cant be used in actual discussions. im simply thinking out loud of how it can be used, and how not to use it.

  • Only Harden is happy.
    Shoot a lot, play no defense as his personal playground.

    The funny thing is Howard got away from Kobe to play with Harden.

  • wu kong

    yes… be more specific on what you want…

    do you want????

    all lineups that have Lin and Lamb ( and 3 random people) total assists?

    all lineups that have Kemba, Batum ( and 3 random people) total assists?

    all lineups that have Lin, Lamb, Kemba( and 2 random people) total assists?

    all lineups that have Lin, Lamb, Batum ( and 2 random people) total assists?

    you get the idea?? give me the list of what you want and I’ll try to get this for you could be tomorrow though before I can do it.

    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/lineups/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=2

  • wu kong

    TTNN has done a great job of posting stat writeups… I try to find tweetable bites of info. quick digestible numbers… but that comes with the problem of it not being packaged with a good narrative as you say.

  • wu kong

    you can play around with the filters and grab 5,4,3,or 2 man lineup data both traditional stats like AST and ‘advanced’ stats like Net Rtgs

  • occupatio

    yes, exactly those 4 lineups you listed.

    so total team assists per 100 possessions.

  • occupatio

    problem with nba.com, is that 2 man lineups not exclude a third player. so, lin-lamb will INCLUDE within it lin-lamb-kemba.

    i think TTNN used nbawowry or whatever its called to do his lineup data.

  • Spot

    From “After the ring” to “After the sea”

  • Rick Johnson

    Uncanny how Lin fan’s pointed all this out years ago. So many things Lin fans pointed out. Harden, McHale, BScott, Kobe, Melo, Beverley that were ridiculed now come to light.

  • Acbc

    Lol, it was never about if, it was always about when Howard will leave.

    Morey’s conerstones are crumbling fast. The glue guy that held it together for them left enough glue to hold it for another season, just like the Knicks. Bye bye Morey.

  • Rzo Vlade
  • Rzo Vlade
  • Rick Johnson

    If only they controlled Harden, let Lin be the PG, Howard play PnR with Lin, the culture, attitude, fortunes of that team would have been much different. Harden had an ego and they just fed it until it became destructive.

  • Spot

    Houston. Texas. Few taxes. Do what he wants.

    The rest is not important to him.

    Next year will be in Dallas with Parsons and Deron

  • spiderman

    poor Miami

  • blubell

    Hmm… I thought I had 2.5 🙁

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Wow! I didn’t know I’ve done so well:-)

  • blubell

    Good job!

  • sorry, I believe you will reach 3 very soon!

  • Great instinct!

  • Morey’s contract for Harden made him to be the diva that he is today, mostly individual but not team incentives.
    He should put 20% bonus for being Defensive Player of the Year =)

  • wu kong

    here ya go: using NBA 5 man lineup data… used excel to manipulate the data.

    all lineups that have Lin and Lamb ( and 3 random people) total assists? avg 1.2 ast per game

    all lineups that have Kemba, Batum ( and 3 random people) total assists? avg 1.2 ast per game

    all lineups that have Lin, Lamb, Kemba( and 2 random people) total assists?avg 0.8 ast per game

    all lineups that have Lin, Lamb, Batum ( and 2 random people) total assists?avg 1.1 ast per game

  • wu kong

    here ya go: using NBA 5 man lineup data… used excel to manipulate the data.

    all lineups that have Lin and Lamb ( and 3 random people NOT including Kemba as THIRD PERSON ) total assists? avg 1.4 ast per game

    all lineups that have Lin and Lamb ( and 3 random people NOT including Kemba or Batum as THIRD PERSON ) total assists? avg 1.6 ast per game

    all lineups that have Kemba, Batum ( and 3 random people) total assists? who do you want to exclude?

    all lineups that have Lin, Lamb, Kemba( and 2 random people) total assists?who do you want to exclude?

    all lineups that have Lin, Lamb, Batum ( and 2 random people) total assists?who do you want to exclude?

  • blubell

    didn’t we have 3 Hairsanity? first two were full points and after that was .5 point… I demand a recount! lol.

  • wu kong

    chart is probably better…

  • wu kong

    these numbers look really weird 1.6 ast per game??? you might think huh??? that is what that lineup would average and that is probably only ~3 minutes a game

  • occupatio

    im not talking about the assists of those players. im talking about the total assists of all 5 ppl on the floor per 100 possessions. it should be much higher than that. somewhere between 15 and 25

  • Briiick

    Can’t say it better !

  • 1mtoldman

    but hasn’t stopped lin fans from still being ridiculed for what they say today about things today.

  • 1mtoldman

    bluebell-gate.

  • wu kong

    ugh.. I need you to be specific on what you want… so hard to do this with this board for communication… best I can do is per 36…. this is numbers for a 5 man lineup.. Lin and Lamb with any random 3 players that line up gets 1.2 AST per game average playing on average 3.18 minutes… scale up to 36 min that lineup is 13.6 AST… is this what you want???

  • wu kong

    @occupatio trying last time for today…. let me know if this is what you want…

  • wu kong

    @occupatio:disqus look here I tried to get the data you want… let me know if this is close to what you are looking for.. http://www.jlinportal.com/g23-bos-cha-notes-observations/#comment-2411672200

  • SI Cauldron article just came out to see how exactly the Hornets managed to place #5 in the Net Rating

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/676902778552369152

  • On JLin:

    The same is largely true of Lin, who’s at or near non-Linsanity career-highs in multiple categories. He’s also second on the team in overall net rating; the Hornets have been 9.3 points per 100 possessions better with him on the floor than off.

  • kittyhead

    Whiteside is much better than DH who has been injury-prone now. I dont want Rox get him…no good for Heats at all.

  • Acbc

    I’m so jealous! Sounds like you already know a bit about jazz alread. Let me know how the show was, like a join past game repost. Lol

  • Rick Johnson

    He’s only second in overall net rating because as SG he just stands in the corner while Walker is playing PG. If look at just time he’s THE PG his NetRtg is highest on the team and 4th in the league among PG’s.

  • CJSHYY
  • CJSHYY
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOLOL I protested and hence the result:-)

  • your son’s voltaire

    haha. what took so long?

  • blubell

    Yes, I saw what you did and following in your footstep by protesting 🙂
    Perhaps my vote didn’t go through. Perhaps its sabotage! LOL

  • wu kong

    Oh my! Never saw that coming. Haha. I kid I kid…

  • your son’s voltaire

    they gotta get rid of harden. when will teams learn that hoggery won’t get you far unless that player is a two-way player which harden clearly isn’t

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOLOL Maybe it’s my protest. Who knows! @psalm234:disqus has a tough job to have us here:-)

  • blubell

    Haha. He should have sided with Linsanity.

  • wu kong

    He needs a better lawyer or publicist. This is still pretty lame.

  • wu kong

    Or get a coach that they empower to control him

  • Briiick

    Or get a chairman like in 76ers to control Morey.

  • Dorothy

    Why am I not surprised AT ALL???

  • CJSHYY

    Rox didn’t seem to want to keep D12 either…. Houston already has a viable replacement starting center – Clint Capela.

  • Rick Johnson

    A personality like Harden, they kiss up to him, promote / manufacture him as a superstar, give him say on how all the other players are treated, he abuses it and acts like a Prima Dona which has destroyed team Chemistry. If they had made JLin the face of the franchise with his personality it would have been completely different.

  • LAJane

    So true.

  • Acbc

    IMO, it was all Morey’s fault. Any employee will take the lead of their bosses. That’s just how most people have to survive in the business world. I black the blame squarely on Morey.

  • Lin Win
  • I believe this is the Net Rating for Eastern Conference guards, on which JLin is #2

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/676530858635825152

    Kemba is much worse #23 after Hairston =D

    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/676534166914076673

  • Dorothy

    This.

  • Lin Win

    Of course scouting reports aren’t always 100percent correct. It doesn’t make it so every report isn’t legitimate.

  • Lin Win

    1) Of course it’s not good to look at stats for 25% of the season but it gives a good indicator.

    2)I never said Lin isn’t good at finishing. He was second only to Lebron in penetrating the paint and finishing.
    3)Lebron drives a Ferrari and a trailer. I’m not saying Lin shouldn’t be a SG but with his body he isn’t suitable to be a SG in this team. His potential is hugely wasted sitting in the corner waiting for a spot up jumpshot.

  • Lin Win

    Obviously it was made when Lin was in Houston Rockets.

    Link : https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/2al1r5/lakers_scouting_reports_jeremy_lin/

    Use google for once and i’m pretty sure you’ll find some information. Why would he talk about Linsanity stats ? It’s a scouting report for crying out loud. That proves you don’t know much about how scouting report works do you.
    How is it comparing apples and oranges? Lin lacks vert jump which is a huge asset to a basketball player. It stops you being an aerial threat and blocking your shots would be easier.
    Lin has shut down players and Lin has also been shut down by players. Just because he shut down some players in a few games doesn’t make him a defensive juggernaut.
    If you really believe Lin can shut down Curry as of now then there is no reason to continue this discussion because clearly one of us isn’t reasonable.
    Bulls 8-18 25pts Butler
    Pistons 7-15 16pts Caldwell-pop
    Heat 5-11 11pts Wade
    Grizzlies 5-11 10pts Allen
    Celtics 9-17 23pts Bradley
    GSW 8-18 21pts Klay
    Bucks 5-13 12pts Mayo
    Cavs 4-10 11pts JR Smith
    Wizards 6-16 17pts Beal

    All these guards aren’t exactly shooting poorly since they are roughly 40-50% FG just like how you guys said Jeremy Lin’s shooting is good at 40%.

    Lin is now 0.415 FG% which is absolutely terrible, there’s no excuse about the back because there’s been no reports about it and it’s been so many games already. Kemba who you guys have been critical of his shooting is balling at 0.452%!

    I’m a Lin fan but I’m realistic and always give credit when it’s due.

  • Lin Win

    Butler , Lebron, Bryant, Carmelo, Livingston, WestBrook, MCW and many more. Most guards will post up much smaller guards when there’s an opportunity.

  • Lin Win

    THere must be something wrong when Dellavedova is number 1.

  • occupatio

    thanks. i just saw it.
    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2938/3573/original.jpg?w=800&h

    can i ask how you pulled it?
    is there a way of normalizing per 100 possessions instead of per 36min?

    one thing that immediately jumps out is that lin-lamb have MORE THAN DOUBLE the team assists than when kemba is added with them.
    lin and lamb: 18.5 team assists
    lin and lamb and kemba: 8.6 assists

  • Rick Johnson
  • Rick Johnson

    True, numbers, statistics tell him nothing about understanding people, building a team and culture. People aren’t trading cards, “assets” and “pieces”.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nothing, he plays with LBJ and Love, 2 high scorers.

  • blubell
  • LinMad

    its like shaq and kobe but 2015 and different team

  • wu kong

    the numbers I pulled from NBA were per game I can redo tomorrow with the per 100 possession values.

  • jeremy

    Absolutely, sadly some people think Lin has way more impact than Yao had
    or Yao was just protected by the chinese government and that Lin is way more talented

  • jeremy

    Lin isnt really a game changer for them

  • jeremy

    not even
    Shaq had every right to be upset he was a dominant and better than kobe was

  • jeremy

    How did Harden abuse anyone? Dwight needs to stop whining and start playing for the team his post up game is weak just stick to what u good at, PnR

  • jeremy

    Dont think that was an option
    you either with harden or ur against him
    Lin wasnt really against him either he was complementary

  • wu kong

    my process… I choose the filters and then copy and paste the values into excel . I have to separate out the names into individual columns and then it is a matter of simply sorting by the criteria you want and then sum or avg the values for the above per 36 values I simply got the average minutes for that particular lineup and scaled up to per 36.

    snippet of my spreadsheet with no particular sorting… I have the starters in yellow everyone else in grey mostly quick manual sorting no big deal really. If I was doing this on a regular basis I would build a macro but honestly pretty easy and quick…

  • jeremy

    He didnt do anything wrong
    Gay people are way too sensitive like the feminists its like you are not allowed to say anything anymore
    I guess its okay when you throw racial slurs at Lin or white people but when he said something that “could” be interpreted as a homophobic slur you get in big trouble
    theres something wrong with the US

  • jeremy

    these advanced stats usually work in favors of role players or players that dont play many minutes
    kind of misleading

  • occupatio

    thanks for the explanation. so basically pull what nba.com has, and do some manual sifting/re-organizing.

  • Arsenium12 .

    Here’s George Mitchell talking about effective negotiating and people encountering “foreign” ideas :

    “I think it’s true of humans everywhere that the receptors in our brain for information that is consistent with our prior beliefs are large and wide open. But [the receptors] in our brain for information that’s contrary to our prior beliefs are much more narrow and we’re much less receptive to it.

    And so we don’t listen well to people with whom we know we have a disagreement or people we dislike. And that requires effort and discipline.”

    See : https://hbr.org/ideacast/2015/06/george-mitchell-on-effective-negotiation.html

  • Briiick

    I doubt Morey is honest to himself when dealing with the stats of Harden.

  • wu kong

    but when he said something that “could” be interpreted as a homophobic slur you get in big trouble are you serious?!?! Rondo said : “You’re a m—– f—–‘ f—-t. You’re a f—–‘ f—-t, Billy.” Interpreted as a homophobic slur?!?

  • wu kong

    if you are in the US then I see one problem clear as day

  • Briiick

    Rox don’t want to keep anyone whom Harden feels competitive to, just as what Melo/Kobe had done to sink their teams.

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • occupatio

    the sample size is already plenty big.
    the main issue with NetRtg is not actually sample size, but with variability of lineup combinations.

  • Warren

    Dwight Howard Unhappy Playing Second Fiddle To James Harden, To Be Traded To Miami Heat
    http://www.morningnewsusa.com/dwight-howard-unhappy-playing-second-fiddle-james-harden-traded-miami-heat-2348695.html

  • wu kong

    yep… the main work is in getting the names into separate columns when they are copied over they are all in one lump in one cell… so some fancy excel footwork to move all names into separate columns,,, there may be a site that does this in a more user friendly way… so many stats sites but i like to keep to the NBA stats as much as possible b/c they get updated and corrected regularly not so sure about other sites.

  • occupatio

    well, more to my pt, does nba.com actually show total possessions for each lineup? AFAIK it only shows total minutes for each lineup.

  • GoJLin!

    Thanks for the hard work! I am happy with the 6 points. The number I put in were heavily discounted from political possibility, so those were way below JLIN’s real capability; Therefore I really don’t mind JLIN surprise us with more high stats which means Coach please set up game plan to reward his hard labor & great energy!

  • wu kong

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-michael-jordan-charity-1216-biz-20151215-story.html

    Michael Jordan hands court settlement to 23 Chicago nonprofits

    “Michael Jordan made good Tuesday on his promise to donate the net proceeds of the multimillion-dollar settlement he received from supermarkets Dominick’s and Jewel-Osco to nonprofits helping Chicago kids, his advisers said.

    The basketball legend had vowed to donate the cash this summer after winning an $8.9 million jury verdict against Dominick’s for the unauthorized use of his name in an advertisement. He last month settled the case — and a related, pending case against Jewel-Osco, which is also owned by Dominick’s owner Cerberus Capital — for an undisclosed sum.”

  • occupatio

    NetRtg is suitable for comparing players on the same team, but not especialy suitable for comparing players on different teams.

    in the NBA.com filters, you can add CHA as the team, to only see hornets players.

  • occupatio

    what youre saying so lacks common sense, i dont know where to begin.

  • wu kong

    you can change the filters to get per 100 possession Click on the little white gear on the upper right opens box to filters…

  • wu kong

    hmm re reading your question not sure I understand??

  • spiderman

    In the news today: Remarkable how a hoax can shut down all the public schools in a major city (LA)

  • wu kong

    you can change filter to Total and get total minutes for each group and total Ast for each group

  • CJSHYY

    This article seems to be from Rox… just like Lin… they don’t want you then trade news spread…. I heard that three commentators from Eox also talked about Capela can be a starting C in this league… I think Rox really wants to get rid of D12 now. smh!

    Just see how Harden can carry this team all by himself.

  • Michael

    Wish I had some instinct.

  • Acbc

    When you are the minority and downtrodden, it’s the culmalative anger that is underneath that festers and forever remains unsealed. Why do you think Asians reacted so negatively to the ESPN ” ch… in the armour” comment? The fact that they have no clue makes it even worst. The people that ask why minorities are so sensitive have never lived with that festering anger because, they never had to deal with it themselves.

    All minorities should be more sensitive to other minorities for derogatory slurs. There are some words you just don’t use because of the poison they carry to open old wounds. Women hate it, LGBT, and all minorities hate it.

    Be a part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

  • Briiick

    Hahahaha ! It seems that my prediction two seasons ago was too conservative. Howard can’t even wait til the end of the season !

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • JoeTeam

    Lol, how much did jordan donate?

  • JoeTeam

    Yep, hard to nav life with poeple setting things do differently.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Man only 3 days off but it seemed like Rafael is invading allover other basketball news. SMH.

    Lakers and Houston are playingggg. Please I can’t take Rafdashian news anymore.

  • LAJane

    To re-quote what occupatio said above…”what you’re saying so lacks common sense, i dont know where to begin.” But Acbc did a great job of spelling it out, and wu kong put in a great last nail. It takes a village, and we’ve got a great one here 🙂

  • Warren
  • wu kong

    Undisclosed total amount. Lawyers get their cut of course. 6 years of litigation will be a large chunk of change.

  • You have the instinct .. just dormant :]

  • LAJane

    Looks like quite a few news feeds are picking up on this story at the moment. The Washington Post had the most comprehensive write-up and it looks like a lot of other publications are just picking that up and re-printing. Pretty good article, but ends with a negative quote from a bone-head who found a way to disagree with Jeremy’s post. But all the comments were pushing back on the bone-head and thanking Jeremy for such a heartfelt and helpful account.

  • Omri Casspi playing well against the Rockets, his former team.

  • This is exactly why Harden’s teammates grow to resent him more by the day.
    The concept of “running back on defense” must be foreign to Harden.
    Morey must’ve wished he can write it on the contract

    https://twitter.com/Rocketsbia/status/676983830490824706

  • 19pts/6r/5a in 35 min. Casspi is doing well

    97-85 lead with 5 min left by Rondo-less King is quite impressive

  • jeremy

    barely f____t is commonly used

  • occupatio

    are you calculating total possessions yourself?

  • jeremy

    thats why donald trump is so popular
    he speaks the truths

  • jeremy

    what common sense?
    Did Harden abuse anyone?

  • jeremy

    F____t is commonly used when you are trash talking and I doubt rondo even knew the guy was gay
    and no gay is no longer minority
    its like a trend to be gay now

  • jeremy

    lol if you think calling someone f____t is homophobic then you are the one lacking common sense as its one of the most commonly used words and usually people dont mean to be homophobic when they say it
    you are obviously not familliar with the culture or you dont interact with a lot of people

  • jeremy

    the real problem is people are way too sensitive and everyone is too afraid to speak the truth because they have to be “politically correct”

  • jeremy

    you are not making any sense at all
    think before you talk

  • Briiick

    Harden padded his stats, DH12 got a Bev treatment, team lost again, LOL.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Harden got lots of pts but they lose… So happy to see this.

  • HOU defense looks very mediocre nowadays.
    Noone seemed to really try very hard

  • occupatio

    since oladipo is the 2nd unit SG, i expect him to burn lamb plenty tomorrow.

  • CJSHYY

    If he didn’t say anything then where’s the rumor came from??

    https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Feigen/status/677008224898449408

  • TTNN

    anyone post this Zach Lowe’s article? On this week’s “10 things I like”, he give good praise to the Jeremys. 🙂

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14368804/dallas-keeps-striking-free-agents-seem-matter-standings

    10 Things I Like and Don’t Like

    1. The Hornets’ buzzing around on defense

    Under Steve Clifford, Charlotte had almost no history of playing top-shelf defense without Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but here they are 14-9 and ranked sixth in points allowed per possession — a hair behind the juggernaut Warriors. The Hornets don’t sport many obvious above-average individual defenders, especially among the bench crew of Spencer Hawes, Frank Kaminsky, Jeremy Lamb and Jeremy Lin.

    This goes beyond the team’s absorbing the rules of Clifford’s ultra-conservative drop-back defense. The Hornets bounce on their toes, hyper-alert, a five-man force field bending and stretching as needed. They sense who needs coverage, where the next rotation should go and, in the event of a painful choice, which enemy shooter requires more attention. That is the product of preparation, coaching and the sort of constant engagement too mentally draining for weaker teams. One confused pause can snap the chain. Watch the Jeremys snuff out two potential Miami triples and strangle a promising Miami possession.

    Clifford has these guys busting it on both ends.

    http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/DM_151211_CHA_v_MIA_(Hornets_rotating_D)_2gif.mp4

  • occupatio

    ive read most of lowe’s articles. i could predict what he was goign to say about hornets: he would credit the coach instead of acknowledging lin’s abilities. and indeed that is exactly what he did here.

    indeed, in that video, its mostly lin doing the work, but lowe just calls it the ‘jeremys’. SMH

  • occupatio

    tonight i went to sushi of gari, and later remembered that it happens to be lin’s favorite restaurant in nyc (no wonder the name sounded so familiar). it was quite nice, they put a lot of thought into the food. my wife and i got the omakase course.

  • occupatio

    FYI, before the season started, lowe predicted in a podcast that the hornets defense would be bad because none of their wing players was a net positive (ie good) on defense and he even named jeremy lin in that list. therefore, according to lowe, there was no way that their defense could be competitive without MKG.

  • MorlockO

    He also once said that he didn’t talked to Orlando Owners to fire van gundy… which turns out he really did… so…

  • Briiick

    Guess we should not click the link.

  • I’d think with enough sample it would be comparable, just like the SI Cauldron article ranks the best team based on Net Rating.

    Even within the team, I knew skeptics will say Lin & Lamb only ranked 2nd & 3rd when matched up against bench players. But when the 4th quarter Net Rating shows Batum/Lin/Kemba went #1,#5, #11 then it shows Lin produced good Net Rating against starters, much better than Lamb does.

  • Rick Johnson

    The infamous Van Gundy – Howard video:

    https://youtu.be/y08gvGpGCwA

  • occupatio

    his articles are still worth skimming, even if his take on lin is silly. dont have to agree with writers to learn ways of analyzing players/teams. his stuff is much better than most.

  • JoeTeam

    yeah i was jk … if we know how much he gave, we’d know the secret number
    🙂

  • your son’s voltaire

    it’s not like that in the NBA. the GM has nothing to do with how the team actually play the game. that’s all on the coach. if the GM and owner meddle too much, they get severe backlash from coaches and players and you they don’t want that in this star driven league

  • joyce ward
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    Very interesting. My guess of JLin is being traded away is probably 0.000000001%:-)

  • sport

    When the star doesn’t need to be held accountable for lack of defense why would others?

  • sport

    There is no “could be interpreted”, it was homophobic slur! And Rondo should accept the consequence of it! Just like how people got fired and in trouble calling JLin the C word or referencing him cooking with “peanut oil” a stereotype of Asian Americans.

  • sport

    Are restrictions lifted by the players themselves? Does this mean JLin won’t get traded? What does this mean for his role on the team?

  • Tey Ling

    What does this mean?

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Acbc

    I cannot believe I actually read a comment that had “Donald trump and truth ” so close together. I had to do a double take.

  • 1mtoldman

    it means trades will happen now. beyond that its too complicated to bother with and no need to know.

  • 1mtoldman

    league restrictions are lifted by the league as of this date. (on trades of a large category of players)

    does not mean lin wont get traded does not mean lin will get traded; just means previous to this date he (and a large # of other players) could not be traded prior to this date.

    no way to know what if anything it would mean for his role on the team. depend on only if trades involving hornets actually should occur.

  • noob

    Yeah wouldn’t make sense to trade him. He’s bringing way too much value for the salary he’s being paid.

  • 1mtoldman

    collison get starter minutes one way or another; rondo is having a comeback year but team doesn’t need him to play well. i havn’et looked at the on/off but collison is good, outplayed rondo in preseason most of the time.

    rondo is still an inefficient player in terms of things like points per shot.

    and the bench of collison koufous and casspi often carries the game.

    kings have a lot of good individual players they’re just kind of “island of misfit toys” guys and not really sure if possible to put them together and cousins and rondo are still very volatile and not really works and plays well with others.

    but not surprised kings can win without rondo. (again not to say rondo isn’t having a big turnaround year for himself).

  • 1mtoldman

    right. and they’ve already lost one key player for the season likely and one other for a large portion; and still a long way to go, theres literally no back court depth here at all so unless they could get a equal or better background player in return and maybe dump jefferson’s salary while they can get something for him; i mean they have no reason to trade lin per se but it is theoretically possible he could be caught up in some other deal but i think melody’s (melonie?) odds above (jlffa) are about right.

  • 1mtoldman

    six years of litigation!!!! i just got a pay out for a share of class action suit that ran about that long. i think all that was left was 40 cents.

    even cheap lawyers these days run what 400$ an hour? (ask webattorney what the cumulative fees would be for a team of jordan level barristers).

    but theres probably something left.

    for jordan the issue is not to get money (thats why hes cool with donating anything he might have left over after costs) but establishing precedent that he is willing to tightly control his “brand”.

  • Phillycheese

    I only see four on four. Harden is guarding the other player in their back court.

  • Brent Yen

    Sounds great…!

  • Brent Yen

    Sadly I listened to that podcast too

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! Ya! I remember that…. on that day Magic was vs NYK. LOL!

  • Hope

    AJ for D. Howard?

  • wu kong

    some players have no trade clauses as apart of their contracts. But even then it is no guarantee you will not get traded. Aaron Brooks had a no trade clause in Houston and he was asked by Morey to accept a trade and he consented to the trade.
    ( I remember an interview where he talked about taking less money to be back in Houston with his family and was so happy to have a no trade clause- Morey of course does not care about humans it is all business)

    Once you are asked to be moved, whether you have a no trade clause or not, means essentially take this trade or ride the pine- we don’t want you here. most players are never off the trade block.

  • wu kong

    he never ‘got back’ It is more appropriate to say James harden loafed here. That cornerstone must really be weighing him down

  • Chopz

    That was just “Lowe” of Zach.

  • sws94

    The game is tonight. Seems like he didn’t play in a week.

  • Acbc

    Zackly, really, really Lowe….like lol Lowe.

  • wu kong

    @occupatio:disqus ok here you go data for average Assists per 100 possessions with various 5 man lineups. This is a portion of the spreadsheet I used showing the data for a certain lineup… Lin Lamb Kemba excluding Batum +2 Random players

  • wu kong

    chart of requested lineups:

  • wu kong
  • wu kong

    TUNE IN: @hornets GM Rich Cho will join @SiriusXMNBA at 11:15 ET Talking early success for Charlotte/positive effect of offseason moves https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/677157527549800449

  • Guest

    Not so fast, somebody might offer something that Charlotte can not refuse.

  • DX

    For me 99.9999999% = 0.0000000001% . The only difference is 0 or 100%.

  • golfhacker

    As most everyone here thinks, Charlotte would be crazy to trade Jeremy. And it would be bad for Jeremy as well. He is putting up decent to good numbers, considering how he is being utilized. He gets along with all of his teammates and the team is winning. Once the season is over, however, Jeremy will have to do some serious soul-searching. He can opt-out of the second year of his deal with Charlotte and effectively become a “free agent”.

    I have always maintained that Jeremy’s abilities are maximized while playing as PG (i.e. having the ball in his hands). Jeremy is not a selfish player. The most important aspects of playing the PG position is running the offense, distributing the ball and driving to the basket, all things Jeremy excels at. Some have said Jeremy can play SG. Yes, theoretically he “can” play SG, but the position limits his effectiveness on the court. A shooting guard, by definition has to have a “gunner’s” mentality, which is unnatural to Jeremy because he is so unselfish.

    If Charlotte keeps Kemba, there is NO way Jeremy will achieve his potential. We see what his role is now with the current Hornets roster and what a waste of Jeremy’s talent it is. So the question Jeremy needs to ask himself after this season is, does he really have aspirations to be “the man”, and potentially lead a young team, which most likely will lose a lot of games, but hopefully grow together OR stay another year in Charlotte and just be a role player, which is essentially what he is now. Is he happy just to be on a team that is winning, regardless of how much playing time he gets? Or does Jeremy see himself as a trailblazer (I don’t mean the team in Portland), like Jackie Robinson was in baseball? Does he even want to be a “superstar” and get the attention (and scrutiny) that comes with it? Only he can answer those questions.

    If he opts-out after this season and maintains his current level of play, he SHOULD be able to command >$5mm next year, with the new TV deal going into effect. But regardless or salary, Jeremy HAS to choose a team that will unequivocally make him the STARTING PG, if that is what he wants.

    I desperately want Jeremy to prove that “Linsanity” was no fluke, as so many of his detractors have claimed. But unless an opportunity arises where Jeremy can be the starting PG, Jeremy will just be a footnote in the history of NBA basketball.

  • sws94

    I think he’s a PG that will play against Lin. No? I think he’s a challenge for Lin on both sides if so. He’s a good defensive player too. But, Lin may outplay him as he’s more experienced and Lin can challenge him as well.

  • sws94

    You see a piece of his beard on the right edge of the screen at the very end of the play. As usual, he decided to take playing defense off.

  • FSW

    lol old ref jogged back before he even shows up in the screen

  • Sundown

    December15

  • DX

    Because Lin, no more need to talk. 🙂

  • Acbc

    When Lin was in Houston, I used say that Harden’s best defence is to just stay down on the offensive end and take one of the opposing team players back towards the mid court line to cover the long outlet pass to Harden. That means basically the opposing team is using only 4.5 guys instead of 5. Lol

  • TTNN

    Not sure why you are so negative here. What I see is that the Hornets defense was a suprise to Lowe, and that’s a great example he put out there, out of Lin/Lamb/Zeller/Hawes, everyone is wondering how they achieved their defense, and that example was exactly how.

    I’m glad Lin/Hornets defense start to caught attention by national media, especially Lowe. I know he wasn’t trust this team at the beginning of the season, but it is great that he pick it up early, and make an effort to point it out. That’s exactly what Lin need, to get people realized how good his defense is.

    You can’t anticipate everyone could see things as early as you do, when you are following Lin closely, whereas they were following the whole league, but it is nice to see them start to notice, that’s encouraging.

    BTW, whatever Lin did, you can’t not credit to the coach, but still, it is the players who execute the defense, so that’s not mutual exclusive, both of them should get credit, you could not anticipate people credit everything to Lin, nothing to his coach or his teammates.

  • TTNN

    Well, he listed Hornets as the least interesting team on league pass. But isn’t that nice it proved him wrong that quick? And I’m glad he is not as ignorance, and pick it up and corrected himself pretty quick

  • 1mtoldman

    hey mods (where are the rockers?)–only maybe well probably not even takemebacktothegipper is old enuf to identify that reference, anyway why dont you slip in a new game time thread now early and fool people so someone new who happens to be on at this time can be first.

    which seems to be something a lot people get excited about. this thread is way over posted anyway.

  • wu kong

    ICYMI: @hornets F/C @CodyZeller joins @ESPNAM630_959FM in Wilmington to talk team chemistry, his role & strong start

    https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/677192247763460096

  • Dorothy

    Please remember to vote for Lin, maybe Marvin Williams (he is nice to Lin), Psyco T (so that he may have more PT to help Lin stats), Klay Thompson (to block Harden being voted in) and Stephen Curry (Lin’s good friend and he is just great)

  • Rick Johnson

    They were saying how great the Lakers bench was last year too. Gee I wonder if there’s a connection?

    https://twitter.com/History_agent/status/677187458283499520

    Dec 16, 2015 at 10:15a ET

    The Charlotte Hornets entered the 2015-16 season with extremely low expectations after Michael Kidd-Gilchrist suffered a season-ending injury during the preseason. Not even two months later, they’ve already soared past them all.

    How are they doing it? Several reasons, but none might be more important than their bench. Here’s more from Hornets.com:

    So far during the 2015-16 NBA campaign, a major factor in the Hornets’ hot start to the season has been the depth and capabilities of their reserves. Right now, the Hornets are averaging 40.4 bench points per game, good for fourth-best amongst all teams in the NBA. The franchise record for single-season bench scoring is 40.1 set during the 1988-89 NBA season. Last year, Charlotte tied for 17th in the league in this category with 32.2 points. The Hornets have also outscored their opponents’ bench in 17 out of 23 games this season and are 11-6 when doing so.

    Charlotte’s second unit is averaging more points than all but three other bench groups in the league. That’s impressive, especially considering they entered the year down one key starter.

    But guys like Jeremy Lin, Jeremy Lamb, Frank Kaminsky and Cody Zeller have all shined in various spots. They’ve been exactly what the Hornets didn’t have last year.

  • Rick Johnson

    I would have though LIn/Lamb/Batum w/o Kemba would have been better than Lin/Lamb w/o Kemba, Batum. Not surprising Lin/Lam/Kemba w/o Batum has such low AST.

    Seems like the data just supports whoever takes the ball out of JLin’s hands causes the AST’s to go down whether it’s Kemba or Batum.

  • heart

    Lin’s defense also ‘snuff(ed) out’ many opponents to cover for Harden’s lazy defense while on Rox, but his defense effort/skill was not ever noticed or praised by Coach/Team broadcasters. In fact, Rox used defense as a ‘fit’ reason to demote Lin to the bench. Now, Lowe’s positive write-up about Hornets’ defense even included Lin. This shows that Coach’s commentaries on players can affect/influence media perception which often parrots/regurgitates team/coach’s sentiment even if reality does or does not match. Basically, some are just band wagoners.

  • Briiick

    These are my favorite too !

  • wu kong

    here is the raw data: very interesting indeed…

  • wu kong

    oooh sorry that pic is so bad.

  • it can happen any moment now :]
    Let’s see who will strike first

  • Briiick

    They should realize the “head of the bench” is just a one year rental. Next season they will be back to the old slow boring Bobcats.

  • new ORL game thread
    http://www.jlinportal.com/g24-cha-orl-game-thread/

    After a long 3-day break, the Hornets is facing Orlando Magic on a road game.

    1. After seeing Kemba and Batum ISO plays in the last 2 min of Celtics game failed to get a win, would we see more team-ball if the game is close today? It’s encouraging to see Coach Clifford asked JLin to orchestrate the offense more in the 2nd quarter even when Kemba was on the floor.

    2. It might take some time before Lin can be the playmaker during crunch time in the 4th quarter or OT but it’s a good progression to expand JLin’s role as the best playmaker to encourage the Hornets to play team-ball.

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s continue to shoot at least 8FG & 4 FT attempts. Relax, be your aggressive self & just play your game on matter what happens

  • jakey

    Woohoo!!! The Hairsanity button is very tempting everytime, but! I want to win the poll ?

  • nicely done!
    Keep up the great job; I might ask for the lottery numbers then lol

  • Acbc

    Hey Brent, there was a couple of pictures of Lin warming up and his form really looks good. I mean it was near perfect good. I’m really looking forward to the rest of this season as he gets more reps. Even the release looks about just right. So excited.

  • LAJane

    I agree. But “just” a footnote 20 years from now is a bit much. The collective memory is getting shorter and shorter. For some kids, the Beatles are “just a footnote” whose unprecedented fame and influence is known but not particularly relevant to them. Jeremy would have lots and lots of illustrious company in that “just a footnote” category.

  • LAJane

    Fantastic diligence. We are so lucky to have you 🙂

  • LAJane

    This is so great! hahaha…wants to see what it feels like to yell at some people 😀

  • LAJane

    Like Lin’s mom used to complain back in the high school days…if Jeremy did great, the credit would always go elsewhere else…other players, the coach, other team missing a player or having a bad day etc. Same crapola. But I do agree with TTNN below…doesn’t serve to be negative about it. Turning the wheel on the giant Queen Mary course of any false mythology is a slow, slow process. Better this progress than none. It actually does all add up and reach a tipping point. The real value of Charlotte is that they do not put any brakes on this process. They have only good things to say. Huge help.

  • wu kong

    Thanks!…

  • golfhacker

    You can’t compare Jeremy to the Beatles. The Beatles’ total body of work speaks for itself – Hall of Fame induction, millions of record sales. If Jeremy doesn’t get another chance to shine, he will be remembered for a four-week period in 2012. A footnote.

  • occupatio

    yes, at least have to give him credit for correcting himself. lowe will not ignore data but he will explain it away in questionable ways. but thats a fault that even the best viewers all have.

  • adele

    Thanks for sharing this. Marvelous!

  • Brent Yen

    It did look great….and like I said a few games ago..his miss were almost all straight…..shows he has near perfect mechanics now….just need more legs on offense…

    However….his two made shot today were weird…he rarely spread his feet after the release…