G21 NOP @ LAL Postgame Thread

First
But not a very happy first.

Eve? lol

Well, that’s a good reason! I like and agree with that sentiment.
I’m just unhappy cos our guy is unhappy.

https://twitter.com/LakersReporter/status/541819186779926529

https://twitter.com/LakersReporter/status/541819348508106752

why this again

I missed a lot of the news today. Did Scott ever say what his reasons were for the lineup changes? Like specifics?

Seriously, deja vu.

What else is he going to say? Honestly it’s ridiculous

Jeremy is my Adam hehe

He’s unhappy being benched, but really it’s out of his control with that coach 🙁

Wow… RT @SerenaWinters: Byron Scott says he plans to ride out this starting lineup for the next 15-20 games as well.— LakersPulse.NET (@LakersPulse) December 8, 2014

I do… 😛

You know, if Byron Scott works as a card shuffler in a casino, he will be fired real soon by the pit boss.

They took the ball out of his hands cant really blame him

tanking!

As @Luzwei notes, the two Lakers who demanded ball movement the most were Lin and Boozer. Now they’re benched.— Baxter Holmes (@BaxterHolmes) December 7, 2014

This is ridiculous – having to put up with 20 minutes a game for Lin for at least the next 19 more games? how low can it get?

https://twitter.com/Mike_Bresnahan/status/541821093401473024

YES MY BOYYY
BYRON EXPOSEDDDDDD

https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/541821373241638912

“Ronnie Price appears to be afraid to put up a shot right now”—–Yeah that’s Kobe-Scott want.

Very astute note.

https://twitter.com/LakersBlog_SSR/status/541821010476269568

LIES and LIES!!
All that…be more aggressive! And don’t look behind your shoulder!
Grrrr…
Can we just tweet the lies he’s been fed?

I know both suck

Hope there are a lot of home games so Lakers fans can continue to express their displeasure by booing loud and clear

it will be broken

You can sniff BS…the methane will knock you senseless.

It would be weird if he did not look depressed…LOL

Houston was the ideal system for me. Personally as a player in terms of spreading the floor, running and making plays and having guys with a lot of space, stretch fours. That’s the ideal system, but that’s not what we have here.

I need to tip my hat to Lakers’ fans….LOL this is beyond ridiculous

Correct me if I’m wrong… but isn’t basketball is a team sport with 5 players who should ALL touch the ball and should shoot during the games? *sarcasm*

b-s blames Lin for anything & everything. Someone has to take responsibility for crimeFighters mistakes too…mind as well be Lin.

Not for me. The Knicks system fit him to a T, as well as Spurs and Dallas.

I don’t care.

Notice that pretty blond girl in the left also looks depressed from this steady pic. Most of us are depressed, I assume.

this is what lin said

Of course ex knicks spurs dallas is much much better

Byron wants Lin to help more on defense and Get other guys more involved in offense
SO he doesnt want Lin to score at all and play defense for the whole team?
That is so fked up like Byron Scott pisses me off so much he’s being too ridiculous

Basically, he wants Lin stat-less

First Young, now Boozer, can we get Lin to do this, leaving without interview?!

My biggest issue with Houston is that everyone is blaming him, from team mates to fans.

At least the fans are booing Byron.

Seriously, BScott?
https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/541823260166332416

Calling it now, JLin to Pelicans would be sweet!

Why?

In other words, he wants Lin to be Ronnie Price

Pretty much…Lin needs to learn how to be a pg & he’s not a good defensive player. More b-s lies.

BS is low IQ and low EQ.

Good way to put it…..Basically meant BS is BS

Lol, Worthy made a joke about the play Kobe slipping on floor and passing to Davis. He said Kobe won’t hurt his butt since he’s sitting on all that money (padding his fall).

0-10 if Price starts all those games lol. Can’t wait to see the look on Kobe’s face with this great lineup. Those double and triple teams might cause him an injury before he can pass MJ.

I can only imagine what the mood is like in that locker room. Good job, BScott.

Boozer deserves better he is a good player

AND we’ve come full circle back to the houston situation. Possibly even worse becuz Lakers are losing and Lin might get LESS playing time coming off the bench for ronnie motherfreakin price. The only positive is that at least he’s closer to his family so they can curse at BS together

Someone should talk about race. It’s the elephant in the room.

Man I was hoping for more home games.

Scott just keep on talking and making the Laker organization look bad. He will get fired. I am not worried. Lin will have the last laugh.

No it’s better because Lakers are losing! Everything is magnified unlike Houston where they can do whatever they want!

Are you sure FO is not behind BS?

LOL….I think so too….I hate how NBA operates…but this is beyond that…

He’s a good guy, just a poor defender. He’s friends with Lin, I’m sure they’re talking to each other tonight.

The only stat I want Lin to fixate on is plus-minus. The rest will take care of itself. We’re Lin fans because of his uncompromising team-first mentality. I wouldn’t want him to change who he is and become a me-first stat padder. While Lin scoring more would give us ammunition to shut haters up, at the end of the day it truly doesn’t matter what they think. If he plays with the right focus, his stats will become good on their own anyways.

Well by advanced statistics (win shares/48) Kobe was never the best player on the Lakers when they won those 5 championships. It was either Shaq or Gasol. Kobe was lucky that he got all those hall of fame big men to bail him out.

Jrue is not getting traded, Jeremy will be a back up to all these teams, but at least they are solid teams with good coaches that emphasize ball movement.

And where did you get that Ellis doesnt like Lin? He seemed to get along fine with him during that off season training program.

edit: wait, he could start for the Mavs, but then again we thought the same thing about Jeremy starting over Beverley and Price and look how it turned out!

BS is Kobe’s puppet. Kobe is the problem.

Coach Miller said that even though Lin had a bad shooting night he found ways to contribute. Pointed to play where he boxed out for defensive rebound and then the behind the back to Davis on offense. Said that he didn’t pout about the demotion and he saw a lot of fight in him and it was good to see.

huh? that doesn’t make sense

Horrible coach. He has destroyed locker room chemistry. He doesn’t mention the horrible defense tonight because he doesn’t want to take responsibility for the loss.

before season started Byron said he liked Lin his ability to get to the rim, his d and all
Now he wants him to get others involved and help moore on D?
Am I crazy to think all this is because Kobe doesnt wanna share the ball with Lin?
Idk

I change my 5 game prediction. They will lost the next 5. When do you think they will fire BSc?

He had 11 assists in that Minny game and 4 steals. Byron can’t deal with the team playing well and not following his broken system. Get guys involved, that’s the thing Lin does and he actually did it too much as a starter when he should of looked to get his shot going so defenses would look for it and he could open up guys more. He’s not always steady on defense but he doesn’t give up on D either.

Yup no doubt about that! Maybe a while texting they can text a screw you to Kobe Byrant!

…said the spider to the fly.

yep, really awful.

Who wouldn’t right? But main takeaway is that it seems Worthy isn’t afraid to speak his mind and will joke on or call out anybody, including Kobe.

Did anyone call out ‘We want Antonio back’?

Question for all- is there a realistic chance that BS gets fired this season?

Thats why Im upset cuz Lin isnt treated fairly

He got Hill involved like crazy, Hill, Boozer, the guy he didn’t get as involved was Wes but that was starting to come. Scott is full of it. Some really smelly it.

idc

Scott was talking out of both sides of his mouth after this game. He knew his decison was bad, but he decided to ignore and justify it. For him to say that he didn’t tell Boozer why he as benched is pretty cowardly after he said it in the press.Fan booing the Lakers tonight is not a good sign. He thinks that as long as kobe has his back, he is good. I have seen Mitch /FO pull the rug from under kobe. It is just a matter of time.

What did Kobe say during his interview? I’d really like to know.

I don’t want to say Scott is trying to tank.
He just don’t know how to win..
he is just bad coach without system.

I’m not counting on it. I think bryant is bs’ puppet master & the Lakers aren’t doing nutn w/crimeFigher.

U do realize this is a worse scenario …right? LOL

Even Bryant can’t be happy with the new starting line-up.

they did interview him though, but they did not discuss it at the desk

So we hit rock bottom? lol

https://twitter.com/IdoAmir/status/541822865071300608

I don’t know about that. I think the only thing they promised Kobe was getting his points to surpass MJ. After that all bet are off.

Indeed!

I don’t care what kobe has to say. He is actually treating fans like they are stupid. Like they can’t see through his lies. He doesn’t want to win games. He wants to satisfy his own selfish goals

I’m not sure about that…it didn’t happen w/o crimeFighter’s ok. I’m pretty sure bs discussed it w/coBrick.

He got only 14 pts…can not be happy

Byron Scott is not a good coach because he doesn’t put players in positions where they play to their strengths. Like when he said Lin was used to running pick and rolls in ny and that it’s different here on the lakers. If pnr is a strength of his, logic would suggest trying to run his bread and butter play more often. But it’s Scotts way or the highway.

No, because of his history with the Lakers.

PFV – short vid.
https://twitter.com/CNM_JLin_Vids/status/541827567414943744

Good analysis. He’s trying to cram his players into the system instead of molding the system around the players.

And then for the next 15-20 games, Clarkson will be the starting PG.

Further Tanking confirmation of Byron’s tanking plan from his 10-15 more losses like this.
#TankingFullThrottle #PricedIn

https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/541827478155960321

Kobe is the accomplice or main murder in this crime! He deserves it!

It’s still better than Houston because at least the LA media is still confused about it. In addition, most Lakers fans are confused about it.

Another big difference is that Scott is merely incompetent, whereas Morey and McHale felt humiliated by Lin.

https://twitter.com/Librafree/status/541827934957219841

I love the hash tag. What’s the point of tanking anyway? Yeah you can get the first pick, but is it 200% guaranteed that that pick any good? Shouldn’t the correct mentality be “we’re playing to get a shot a winning the championship EVERY.SINGLE.SEASON”?

If I own a team, I’d stamp that mentality in their foreheads. I find the “tanking” mentality loser-like.

About what? Lin played so less min w so less ball…? That passed to Davis?

What? McHale did not let Lin play his brand of basketball. Lin had to completely change his playing style.

McHale flat out said that Lin scored too much and they they were “trying to win.”

Scott is just incompetent. McHale had a grudge.

For Laker fans, a game is a year. They will give him 4 games to improve.

oh im so upset at BS that even mchale looks a saint to me I over did it lol

oh yes…i understand you are tanking…..and make Kobe the scoring king….Lin

not over here lol

Exactly. Byron doesn’t even know chemistry if it was right in front of him – like playing Lin and Davis together for longer periods of time.

LOL. That’s right. Byron even gave a speech about it at the beginning of the season. I almost forgot.

Too little too late for me from Miller.

I think now LAL is officially weaker than 76ers….given the rotations and lineups…

How about when he said that the reason Scott had Price in the game for his “defensive prowess”? That was coming from Horry, too.

https://twitter.com/Howsito/status/541828625234812928

Ya! In fact, 76 almost beat Mav the other day… I believe Lakers probably will loss to 76 now.

KOBE KOBE KOBE

Gotta lock in for the 1st rd draft pick.

Unless they goal is to tank, and then it makes complete sense.

Thanks, I’m gonna use #Tanking #PricedIn often now using some stats :]
Byron wants championships through that #1 pick. Lin got in the way by winning too MUCH!

I always like the Lin non-Kobe minutes:

http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20141207&game=NORLAL

stop this confident stuff. you just said he had to look for his shot while the coach bench him for not getting other people involved. Jeremy Lin on what Byron Scott told him: “Offensively he said he wanted me to get guys involved.”12:06am – 8 Dec 14

Basketball is supposed to be a simple game. If your teammate is being guarded by someone, and you are close by, set a screen for him so he can a) get free and pull up for a jumper, b) drive to the basket and score, c) drive and kickout to shooters. The problem on this team is that no one really knows how to set proper screens, except for Davis. And that they lack shooters as well.

BS said Lin shouldn’t just think about himself for scoring w too less AS vs Celtics… the whole problem w Lakers it’s Kobe is not happy about Lin can score too well. He needs to play like Fisher not too many points or AS.

His cover’s been blown long time ago. He is just too incompetent. lol

especially when sid players miss thee shots as well

“being a starter is about looking out for yourself first” <——-not really.. It just that Lin kept landing on the teams where that is the case.

I agree. This is the NBA and you have to produce stats or else you will be out of the league. If Lin looks for his own, no coach will sit a 10PPG player. But if Lin averages 2-5PPG for the next 10-15 games, I could Lin’s playing time reducing further or even playing behind Clarkson.

Joyce – having played a lot of team ball and been on good teams, what you say here isn’t the key to a great career linStyle. Take a break and come back. Don’t kill yourself these next 15 games of BSc purgatory. For me, JLin playing the way he does is exactly what a team needs, but it’s not what LAL want to play from tanking to Kobe to BSc poor coaching. If those 3 didn’t exist, fans and team would gather around LinBall, because it’s the way to win games (together).

Have faith, that’s what team ball is about. You know 1 second before a person makes a cut he will, and the ball is on the way. That is faith. Smiles … it will be ok, because look how well GSW is playing. That’s team ball. No egos, sharing. Happy Speights. LAL are losing, so you see the worse in people and then it’s all going for one’s own.

And so he should just play that game. I think he was really optimistic about the Lakers and thought they would be more selfless, but he should have quickly picked up on the fact that they weren’t.

I still root for him, but sometimes it’s frustrating to see him pass up shots I know he could make.

The big men standing outside shooting long jumpers instead of posting up, scoring, rebounding and boxing out is another major problem.

I’m afraid he has to do that.
Byron set up a trap by asking Lin to facilitate and get guys involved but Byron also wants him to have low individual stats to look worse or same with Price.

Lin would need to use himself as a threat to score first then pass to open teammates.

Joyce, if I got tripled teamed, I’d only make it out 1 in 5. I bet Lin makes it out of a double and triple more than Kobe. Me for sure.

BScott – post game gibberish… if anyone cares.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBLKKnfFaVQ

Price – post game interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeb2byEzjUw

Confidence is leaps and bounds different from aggressiveness.

Jeremy is confident. His aggressiveness is being held back by what this team wants. We all know what this team wants, which is opposite from who Jeremy is and what he wants for this team.

Lin is not gonna get his stats by been a gunner. I can almost guarantee it..BUT you are right about other things. Well…this is not easy….

Today during his 2nd stint with 12-0 run under his PG, I though he was so relaxed and purposefully not pressing on O, letting Swag et al have it. But, you def. felt his motor holding to together, esp on D. The 12-0 run was not a coincidence.

https://twitter.com/stayceewin/status/541816543282081793

He’s at a loss for words and doesn’t know what to say to them.

Think if Lin came out gunning in that period..

LOL.

I just had a minor stroke seeing his face

Then Lin just needs to play for God, and drown out the rest of the noise.

but he’s the one making it sink….

He tuned out the noise. The problem is the human hand controlling this team. It’s like asking Pacquiao to punch mega hard without exerting damaging force against his opponent.

PS Joyce, not sure if you watched the game. I only caught Lin’s 2nd shift. It’s gotten so I time family duties to catch the 2nd shift if I miss the first. Anyway, the 12-0 run had his quiet confidence all over it. That’s from me not being a NBA fan, but me being a gym PG for about 25 years. I don’t know the plays, but I could sense what he was doing. He wasn’t trying, on O, you are right. He was still moving off ball for his team mates, and he really gave Swaggy some good chances to shine. Swaggy was not on though he made some 3s. I was thinking – wow, even cruising, Lin is orchestrating a 12-0 comeback. If I can see it, and it’s not imagined. then other team staff can see it in tape. I know for a fact GSW wanted him, but settled for Shaun L. Did you read the article this weekend and when asked, Lacob only said he regretted the Lin thing? Smiles will come.

Working on his game…I guess

OMG McHale said the same thing. BS is officially McHale 2.0 and a hater.

I think in the system he was in — in New York, the ball was in his hand
95 percent of the time, so he was able to run pick and roll and be able
to get to the basket and get shots for himself. This system you have to
get other people shots as well. You have to be able to do both. There’s a
fine line at times.” – Byron Scott

I don’t believe a damn word from Kobe or BS. Not after this bullshit.

This site is great so you can know exactly when to watch when the rotations happen, of you are on replay DVR, LP, etc.

GSW gave Monta away for Curry. I’d rather Lin gets his GSW some day …

I could barely watch Mark Medina’s interview with J. Jeremy could barely look at anyone. Makes me feel so sad for him.

They gave up Ellis for a reason. Mavs gave OJ for a reason.

Never thought I’d say this, but even Houston used Lin better than the lakers are doing now. They at least allowed him to push the ball up court instead of walking the ball up court and handing off to Kobe or Boozer who shoot low percentages.

They didn’t either.

Like Lin said, Houston’s offensive system fit him well. The rest of Houston, not so much.

https://twitter.com/Gadgetomi/status/541833922041364480

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/541836303261003776

Hope you brought enough for the rest of us. 😀

Minute allocations, rotations, offensive/defensive schemes, out of timeout plays, creativity in approach…all have been not very good.
12:23am – 8 Dec 14

-Darius Soriano tweeted.

https://twitter.com/bgarcia90/status/541836570878173184

I don’t give a hoot what Kobe says.

He hasn’t left the tank.

I agree, l totally want his numbers because I keep him on my fantasy team to express that through thick and thin.

You know what? Maybe prayer is powerful, but man gets a little myopic alone. Maybe Lin needs a nice gf to help him calm his own spirit so he can pray and weather these things. I gotta tell you, there’s nothing better than a great home partnership you prob know. Kids (not teens) might keep him steady too. The kind of crud he faces will take down any man woman. Triple teams on the court, triple teams in the locker room and FO. You know what I mean. I can understand how you feel.

easy for him to say what a jerk

What would Kobe say if he gets benched?
LOL

I’m with you . For real.

well he hs been in these type of conundrums all year. first kobe be aggressive lol nope pas me the ball. now with the pass the ball more stuff. lakers have no coach

LOL im asian too i luv discounts of any sort

Not if it is reversedly applied on you…LOL

This is literally rock bottom for JLin. We all thought Houston was IT. We were so wrong.

Playing backup for Price is not the same as playing backup for Bev. I am trying to remain optimistic and be supportive but I am just too damn angry right now.

lets pay byron scott a visit? u knoe to let off some steam

BS= tank builder
KB= tank captain

Nothing
he knows hes behind all this

Wow…Lin went there. A new low. Tell it Lin…TELL IT!!

Not what he said, it’s what he did.

Don’t know but he sounds pretty smart if he’s talking about Byron.

idk idk what will happen with lin. who knows

LOL

Kobe is the watchman that forgot to bring the binoculars.

But Kobe wasn’t asked about losing. He was asked what he thought about Lin getting benched.

lol…

That is what I have been saying. he needs to play smart and outwitt them.

JLin…Bro I know you are a very stubborn guy and tried to play the game the right way but this is mission impossible. These jokers aren’t here to win games. They set you up to fail from the get go. F**k ’em. You are in your contract year. Be selfish, pad your stats, and then peace out of town when the time is up.

Lin’s management team needs to fly into LA and spend 2 weeks all over him, PR, eating, etc. No more dinners with friends until he completes career bootcamp 2.0. I say this only because of his statement this is his toughest bball situation. User your team, man!

Lin has little to lose at this point. He should ignore Scott’s direction to facilitate for others and just shoot and get his points. If he gets his points, Scott can’t justify sitting him. There’s nobody else on the bench and I’m not sure Scott woudl be dumb enough to sit Lin for Clarkson if Lin is scoring 10+ ppg in a backup role?

https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/541838271999791104

I lost faith in nba as a whole!

Stay with it….it meant the bench?

Being a supporting cast of coBrick’s record breaking isos…gooooo coBrick.

stay with the iceberg.

liar..bs….crap…

that’s not the point. The CONTEXT of the questions is about a losing team trying to find a solution. What I wrote is what a good interviewee does to bring the loaded question to the right context without coming off sounding very very condescending. Kobe is not lin’s boss or trusted mentor. He’s Lin’s team mate who by his own weaknesses, ego, and personal goals is causing the team to lose regularly.

Ya! That’s what he wants from the beginning. Scott just be the bad guy for Kobe.. Don’t be fool by this. All these idea came from Kobe.

If I could fly 7000 miles, I would bro.

https://twitter.com/bgarcia90/status/541839880486014976

Lol

He should not have…he has nothing to prove at all….I guess thats what happen when a player is getting old and insecure.

First Jeremy needs to consistently reach 12pts/5asts in 19-24 min 1st then forcing Byron’s hands to play him more min to get 15-16pts with Kobe still hogging the ball

Lin sometimes is too trusting but it’s clear Byron and Kobe don’t have his best interests at heart.
Need to counter shrewdly

KB: “I shot 6-18, that’s 33%.” How’s that for words of wisdom?

I hope our messages for JLin to outwit Byron’s “facilitate others” trap will reach him somehow.

https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/541839329895940096

https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/541839801889345536

When Prices man is doubling on him that’s what happens.

Lol wow. I’ve lost all faith for this season for Lin. Lins season appears to be screwed. I just hope this dosen’t damage him bad come next season and I hope and pray he heads to the RIGHT team.

Long time no see!

Ya! They don’t want him to score well. Looked at how poor Kobe did today. For the second time, Young was pulled out in 4Q not closed the game bc he almost passed the points than Kobe. Now you know, Lin can’t score well. smh!

Yeah right, lin scored back to back games over 30 last season when Bev and Harden was out. Did Mchale start Bev when he returned? You bet ya.

No matter what Lin does in this league, they’ll always look at his worst performance as fact even though 80% of the time it’s the other way around. Meanwhile John Wall or any other black PG is protected by the media when ever they have an off night. The tables are stacked against lin EVER getting a chance to shine again. They are just too scared of it. They don’t want more asians to make it in their league. They just want our money.

Lin will get washed out of the league eventually, not by anything he’s ever done but simply because of who he is. I’m disappointed not for Lin only. I’m also disappointed that as a human being, we see this type of pettiness in what is supposed to be a sport. The NBA is nothing more than WWF dressed up as if it is sport. Lin is fighting no longer just for himself. He’s already looking at the bigger picture. Lin is the pioneer that will break the barrier for those to follow.

I’m presently reading a wonderful book called “the Gold Mine effect”. It might as well be called “the gold mind affect”. It talks about how the greatest sprinters of the world not only come from Jamaica, but from one school in Jamaica. What this book talks about the ability of coaches to affect the minds of the youth in that one small community into self belief that repeats over and compounds by every success.

This is why I wrote those lines

You lead with a belief, the mind follows

You lead with the heart, the body follows

You lead with your will, your destiny follows.

You focus on process, the end becomes the journey.

Psalm, maybe like this site, JLin should rejoice at where he is. The whole thing about being down because Price is starting is a little ridiculous. Lin knows he’s more capable, and this is a political not bball decision. Just relax and have fun. Any good verse you can tweet him with that in mind? Rejoice for what God has blessed in him? you know what I mean … so cool he’s 6’4″, making $15m, having NBA minutes, having so many NBA friends for next summer’s FA, etc. So cool to have a shorter run option to get away from Kobe ha ha.

see above. I want Lin to free himself in spirit, rejoice and play like he says, freely.

ok all ye faithful fans and those who know and love bball, sports. I’m off because tonight is full of anxiety and I plan to rejoice. Lin has been relieved of making Kobe work. His stint I saw was so low key and yet he pulled out a 12-0 run. I’m not having rosy glasses, just choose to be happy for him and his $25m pre-tax. Not for him, but what stewardship he can have at 26 yrs old. That’s quite something … Happy night.

The situation is trickier here….Lin does not have the upper hand. Scott is making the call right now and He does not want to see the Asian guy scores too much. Scott has not problem to extend Price’s minutes if Lin gives him a excuse to do so. This has to be done more delicately. TBH…it is almost not possible. Scott knows it. Lin knows it.

IMO…the only way Lin can play is to play his own way (whatever that is) for the minutes given. Scores will be bad…but it is upper capped by the team anyway. The more you show how good you knows the game the better.

no worries – only 4 months left of this craziness. Not a bad pay-day.

exactly

Lin-Ellington-Wesley Johnson-Boozer-Davis can make the playoffs

You mean buy tks and go watch? LOL

LOL Lin alone is worth paying to watch and my boy boozer

Nothing is worse than having a ball dominating SG from dinosaur age cornerstoned by antique loving management in your team, and Lin has to play with two of these during his short 3-year contract.

Linsanity? 🙂

LA edition.

But at least in HOU he can score but not now?! Can you believe this? smh!

Right now
Battle: Los Angeles
City of Haters

I am not familiar with this player named Yen… tell me about his game 😛

Well..I know he sucks….he only talk bball and was never good at it..

He could barely score more than 15 points in Rox or be benched in the next game. Same is happening here in LAL.

He will not bc that’s not what Kobe & Scott had in mind. 19 min per game… no factor.

certainly this has partly racial stereotyping that Byron would exploit.

I’d say Lin is correct to state these 21 gms are not a reflection of what he can do. I expect Lin will get angry by each game and will find that NJ Nets feeling to leave everything on the floor by playing like he could. Not sure when that would be but I hope soon 😀

Poor Lin. How he is going to get his next contract? Lakers is not the place for him? They can’t even guarantee to offer him a contract next summer?!

Honestly @psalm234:disqus.. fighting politics is not quite engraved in Jeremy’s personality. He’s stubborn in establishing his team-first mentality.

This seems to describe Jeremy’s situation right now…

Psalm 140:4-5
4 Keep me, O Lord, from the hands of the wicked;
Preserve me from violent men,
Who have purposed to make my steps stumble.
5 The proud have hidden a snare for me, and cords;
They have spread a net by the wayside;
They have set traps for me.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+140&version=NKJV

just thought of that too.. very pathetic! not a good feeling… perhaps, time to depart from this NBA thing… don’t find it entertaining…

NJ game is different. MDA had no choice except TD. And the team was winning. The point is what he can do.

The lakers are made of players, coaches, management, owners, and fans. I don’t think Lin has players (i.e. Kobe) and coaches on his side. Management and owners are probably neutral. The only faction that he could sway to his side are the fans. Fortunately the fans are the most fickle. Lin should not worry about winning necessarily with his time, but to entertain the crowd with the love, the Kwan he showed during linsanity. Then Lin can own the rest of the lakers by the balls.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ASVUj89hyg0

So no point in following this scrub then? lol

Not that there is any follower now anyway…LOL

Wow I’m shocked I can post here again. Thanks to whatever mod undid my ban. My 2nd warning was not legit at all (no name calling or trolling) and unwarranted so I appreciate that.

So you better behave before you get banned again.

So….if we ban again…will Lin start? JK…..just be good..

Sure thing Madame Moderator.

I’m not sure what Lin’s future holds, but I think his career will rebound after this season even if he is a bencher somewhere else. He may never be a shining star again like during Linsanity, but he will be ok somewhere that he is wanted. The Lakers is NOT the place for Lin. Please run away in free agency as fast as you can.

Those posters on here who say Lakers are suckering Lin to resign on the cheap really upset me. Do they really think Lin is a stupid fool? There’s no way he’s resigning in LA.

https://twitter.com/IdoAmir/status/541841875062104065

Isn’t Miller the same knuckle who wanted Price to start from the beginning?

How conveniently he leaves out Swaggy’s 3-13 or Kobe’s 4-18

these tweeters all miss the point. Their tweets are passionate to protect Lin but aren’t cohesive or well thought out. Ido is generally somewhat sharp but he too sometimes gets too worked up and posts irrelevant stuff.

A correct tweet would have directly refuted the contention that Scott put forth about Lin.

listen to the Laker Line today, glad there are callers call in and complained about Price starting. And one Laker fan was literally crying on the phone, I think this game really did it, completely shatters fan’s dreams about Laker this season, I think now people will just roll out the tank and after that pick.

One guy was just out of the locker room, and kind of saying that it was pretty sad to see Lin, when he was talking, his eyes are empty, and sounds like basically he is not believing any of the word he himself is talking. And thought this hit him pretty hard.

Also said Kobe left the journalist waited for almost an hour, which usually is not the case, and they thought that Kobe might try to be calmed down before he face media.

I was arguing with Martinez on tweeter regarding Lin’s defense then the line up change news break out, so I stopped that. And glad today Martinez was pretty gentle with Lin, saying that 1-5 is not his typical shooting night.

However, I really don’t like the narrative that Lin is mentally weak, somehow that was the theme tonight. I think Byron’s message was really confusing, and when you get an attacking guard, and you keep emphasis on him involving others, that’s really confusing. Especially saying that after Lin’s double double game, he had 11 assist that game.

So today before the game, Byron was asked whether benching Lin was for him to have a bit more time to have ball in his hand, Byron was basically saying no, Lin need to learn to be a PG, and to get other involved. So my take is that Byron don’t want ball in Lin’s hand, and he want Lin to be that traditional PG, who just redistribute ball, rather than create for others.

Thanks, but I do not like being right. I want Lin to shine. I wish Kobe was injured and Dantoni was coaching and Lin was the main guy in the Nash role again. It depresses me.

But Webattorney and I went to the same game and it was obvious it was going to be bad for Lin. Could see it coming a mile away.

I’m not really sure what Byron meant as “getting others involved offensively” when Jeremy got 11 assists while scoring double figures for himself. That, to me, is the very definition of getting others involved. Things get confusing when people make simplest things complicated for some reason.It’s simple to win games. Byron Scott makes it really complicated.

Also, holding someone zero to very little scoring is a simple definition of defense. Byron makes it complicated by saying Jeremy doesn’t rotate on defense.

I do know what Byron means, but you wont like hearing it.

For someone who isn’t proven and still not proving himself a worthy coach, no thanks.I rather NOT hear it.

ok I won’t go there, but let’s just say Lin will have to prove himself over and over and over and over again till a team trusts him with the ball in his hands. Scott already commented he does NOT trust Lin with his “Lin had the ball 95% of time in NYC” so you know what Scott thinks of Lin basically.

This guy is a clown….

Not at all…I totally bought in now on that theory

When I first heard it, that was a game that Kobe complained that he was less aggressive thus lost his touch, so I thought that’s the coach want Lin to pass it to Kobe.

But today Byron said that again after he already made the change to bench Lin, so my take is that even Lin goes to bench, he is not anticipated to get his own, I think Scott meant for Lin to feed Young. (Byron did say they will need to force feed Young, and that was Price used to do.)

That’s what Lin was saying that it is very hard as a PG, you need to keep yourself aggressive yet get other people involved, so my get is that coach is ask Lin to pass the ball instead of shoot or create for others. That’s what Lin was doing today, gosh that was boring.

Lin is smart…he will find a way to deal with it on the court……maybe shoot more…maybe pass more…maybe throw the ball to the stand more….he will find a way…

What Scott said meant very little now. He is just scapegoating…

I am hoping for a “leave it out on the floor” NJ-Nets mentality since he’s going to be released anyway so might as well play his game.
So not necessarily to fight politics but leave it on the floor 100%.
No holding back

https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/541865838307840002

better to be benched than to look incompetent.

The Boston game is a good example. he looked good and people wonder why he didn’t play more.

That’s all Lin needs to do every game.

Spurs is BY FAR the best team for Lin.

Benched is incompetent..

20 minutes of 3 points and 2 asst is not winning either. This is almost an impossible spot for Lin. I’d rather he score 12 in 10 minutes and not play anymore shooting 4 for 4. That’s just how I see it.

then he has nowhere at all to even go. Are you giving up hope for him in the NBA? I do believe Lin wants to stay in CALI

I never say it is easy….if he can consistently doing 12in 10 thong. His minutes will become only8 next game

Byron wants to do the DNP-CD on Lin. No matter what LIn does it is going to happen. Lin might as well play his game and get benched for insubordination.

I think he dealt it alright.

I had a really bad feeling about Byron and Lin. “I like J, I really do” I knew Lin was going to be screwed the moment he said that.

Lin looked confused and sad. He’s in denial stage by providing possible reasons for the struggle.
He can’t say the real reasons of Kobe not wanting to play teamball.

Next will come anger. Not sure when that will take place.

well there are no PnR. No game plan to suit Lin. So Lin just needs to shoot due to lack of options. Get rebound and do 1 man fast break. PLay like it’s street ball.

Too bad, this team doesn’t even half the team work the NY brady bunch had.

If Lin is out of NBA, they won’t even get my clicks.

“You won’t like me when I get angry” – Jeremy Hulk

that time when Lin turns green…..

ok

Oh definitely..

Lol…not gonna happen.

He did

LOL, looks more like Panda doodoo.
https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace/status/541842062060961794?s=09

picture with thousand words.

Lin maintains perspective:

“The best way I can summarize is: My life, my purpose is about glorifying God everyday. In the highs and the lows…”
“It’s about waking up tomorrow, and doing my best, have a great attitude, and glorify Him in everything. And moving forward, trusting Him with what happens”

This what would happen when you feed the cancer cells

They deserve each other for sinking Titanic!

He is way too late for me. He lost my respect long time ago. His word is worthless.

It will pass….

Looks like someone’s had too much sugar

https://vine.co/v/hdtQKH1m3Tn

looking at the player i think they re all depressed.young eyes are red. they all look warned out. the next 15 games will get worse. this game was the first time i thought lakers had no chance the whole game. they led only once

Jlin beat the Cavs during Linsanity… you need to do a fact check.

I agree.Keep your head up kid.Be well prepared for the next game.

They know what is going on but cant do anything

Who knows….lol

ha

We probably only need one thread for next 20 games…pretty much will be just rinse and repeat on all discussions…lol

Apparently that guy in the video will not get one anytime soon either…lol

Lol, this reminds me of the Washington game where Kobe did the exact same thing before shooting an shaky 3, bricked, then Washington rebounded, blew past Kobe trotting back on the fastbreak at the other end and scored and thus killed any chance of comeback.

Sigh, sad but true. 🙁

This is probably my cue to stop watching games and sticking to highlights.

I’ve totally stopped watching game from this game; not even watch highlights. Pointless unless JLin do so well. With this sinking Titanic, not going to happen anytime soon.

I can not believe Buss & Co will be happy about this meltdown. Boos, fans crying, the locker room imploding. Scott is mishandling this in a major way.

Hey, keep healthy ok?

This is set to happen when they extended Kobe for two more years,,,they have to take both good and bads,,,

The young Buss expected Kobe to shoulder all these, and Kobe doesn’t care, just like he doesn’t care setting brick records.

Lakers are tanking.

Jeremy got in the way of that because he’s won’t play to lose and his explosiveness combined with team play will win the Lakers too many games to get a top 5 pick.

Jeremy plays well then he gets benched and he’s suspiciously pulled whenever he’s hot. At first I thought i was a coincidence but the trend is too strong to ignore.

It’s way too obvious, and people need to call out the Lakers for their tanking and blatant mistreatment of Lin.

In this era of social media, public opinion is extremely important in a fan-centric revenue based sport like the NBA. That’s what has changed. With the Lakers Buss family reliant on the revenue stream from the ball club unlike other self sufficient billionaire owners, revenue hits from China and fans will hurt their brand. Now that the Clippers have surpassed them, the Lakers are now being hit from all fronts. They are still popular in LA now but public image can change fast. If people attack them in the social media and Asian media, there will be a response to both the Lakers brand and Kobe’s brand.

Let the pressure begin.

It’s a business, so is Kobe brand. Hurt them where it hurts….don’t show them the money….DONT SHOW THEM AT ALL! NBA just signed a huge boost to players’ salary mainly because of TV rights and revenue. Take some of that away and let them know it’s unacceptable to show such bias to Asian players like LIN.

Scott was smiling after a loss and smirking at Carlos being upset (even with the false overtones that he ‘should be’). Now that’s a terrible thing for a coach to do. That’s like your company losing a major deal and the CEO coming out and grinning about it to the shareholders, while laughing at the people who got their money taken from them. Then he said Jeremy was fine with not starting? It does not seem the case and Jeremy said in the interview that he didn’t talk with Scott about getting back into the starting line up at all. Scott seems very two-faced.

Kobe will say the right things but it’s plain that he doesn’t care who’s thrown under the bus as long as he get his shot and stays a starter.

Lin was obviously down, but he should just stay aggressive and keep attacking. The better Jeremy plays, the more time he should get, or Scott will take even more heat for it from both the fans and the media.

I NEVER exaggerate.

Trolls like to pretend I do.

NBA would not accept Asian tall centers if it weren’t for the Chinese government constantly threatening to expel the NBA from China if their players were mistreated the way Lin is.

Once you start down the losing mentality. You’ll never get out. Players will start getting injured now and just won’t play as hard while just stat padding, which is already what Kobe has been doing since the start of the season.

FO: “top 5 pick here we come. they are doing their job.”

That looks like it can kill someone. Both if they eat it and if it falls on their head.

Lakers are tanking and Lin hates to lose on purpose.

Seriously, I would rather Lin be race phased off this terrible team.

Houston phased Lin out, but they were in a playoff hunt and couldn’t win without him. LA is out of the playoffs and is DONE.

Lin has easily been the best player for the Lakers all season long, but he’s being punished for it. He’s justifiably frustrated for being punished for doing well. Byron Scott hates his race and not even Kobe Bryant can do anything to support Lin.

I don’t blame the players for distancing themselves from Lin, not even Bryant who’s competing with Lin but who I think genuinely wants Lin to do well. The players know that Scott hates the Asian guy and are afraid to jeopardize their careers by playing off him. In Bryant’s case, there is no way he should trust a player who his coach hates.

I’m amazed Lin played as well as he did last game, leading the team on that late run that would’ve turned the team around if it had been allowed to continue.

Once Lin adjusts, he’ll get his shooting back. That ought to result in a reduction of minutes. It’s INEVITABLE that Lin will be DNP CD’d off this team.

And if that means Lin is expelled from the NBA, so be it. I’m not really a NBA fan anymore and I don’t want Lin in a race toxic league. I myself have been race expelled from professional situations and I was always happier not working in those environments no matter how good the money was.

I thought FO kind of supporting Lin…….sad…..

It’s always hardest for the ground breakers. I’m ashamed that such overt racism still exists today in America.

Just finished reading JLin Only Garden. All JLin fans are very angry with Lakers esp BS and Kobe. Everyone feels cheated by Lakers. Yes, fans will start to boycott Lakers soon enough.

Who knows. Maybe not. Remember Kobe has an influence on how this team is run.

The best days of Kobe is behind him now.
All he is having is a very disgraceful future ahead of him leading to nowhere.
He scored 14 points on 18 tries with only 2 FTs, 3 Asts and 4 TOs.
Clearly, Kobe is lost too.

What if BS really gets things his ways, a total disaster!

Well spoken. It’s a matter of time and time is running out quickly.

This team is moving backward with nobody running the offense properly. It is not the defense which lost the game. All you need to win a game is to score more than your opposition. The offense of the Lakers is simply horrible.

There is no way to win in NBA with such an offense. Byron has misguided us. It’s the offense that the Lakers has had trouble. Good offense in many ways affects defense. On any given night, good offense beat good defense in NBA. Just tell me how many Kobe’s misfired long jumpers led to fastbreaks.

That’s because he is dense that’s why he can’t figure it out.

There’s no ground being broken with Lin.

America won’t permit Asian entertainers to exist in the mainstream.

Lakers had had the worst start of the season this year. Now Byron virtually says let’s start over again after these 20 games of misery. When will they ever get another win with this roster?

Byron’s quotes…smh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4UiDC6CQAA-Eju.jpg

Scott is the the poster boy for bad bosses. What a jerk.

You mean he was lying, and then tried to reinforce the lie so that it’ll sound more real? I’ll buy that.

You have a center who’s been shooting 20+feet away from the board all the time instead of playing near the board, a 36 year old playing the most minutes ineffeciently, starting a much less talented pg over Lin, preached defensive effort but never hold the players accountable for not playing defense…how is this not coach’s fault??? BS never ever once blame himself or kobe for the lost even though it’s clearly they are the biggest problem with the Lakers atm! Dont hope the lakers will change because a person who thinks he’s always right will never learn!

Very nice! I really like them tweets!

I agree with you. Play like he has nothing more to lose, instead of worrying about his spot in the rotation, pleasing BS and KB etc. Just go out there and show the world why he are so darn good!

Who was the pretty blonde one next to Lin? 😀

They definitely won’t get any now.

No doubt about it. No sane players will choose to play for Lakers unless there is no choice.

Nash’s back/nerve issue may preclude him from playing. However, how is it that he can swing a golf club, but cannot mentor the Lakers PGs, or even send text messages? My money is on Nash having smelled something rotten a LONG time ago and wanted no part of it. That’s really the only explanation for someone with his work ethic to not even show his face for moral support while being paid handsomely by the Lakers (dis)org.

NO ONE of any talent above Price will be coming to Lakers next summer unless BOTH Kobe and BS are gone. NBA players may or may not believe in Lin as a player, but they’re all very well aware that Lin’s the most humble human being there is. And if Lin cannot co-exist with Kobe, that pretty much means NOBODY can.

While Shaq may not have been the most likeable guy, bear in mind that Sessions chose to play backup elsewhere forsaking the Lakers starting PG position, D12 left seven digits on the table when he walked out, and now the nicest Bible-reading, non-confrontational Asian is also having issues with Kobe? Speaks volumes about the man’s character.

I’m surprised Kobe still has any fans left.

I disagree, I think Linsanity was a huge event while it lasted.

Precisely. In Price’s case it was either the Lakers or out of the NBA.

Last night was Lin’s way of speaking out. Lin is sharing what scott said to him, which makes no sense. Fans are scratching their heads on this one and many media outlets are not buying in.Ramona Shelbourne (ESPN) there to ask the hard questions here the beat writers are afraid too. Also noticed how coach Miller tried to throw lin a bone with that one play with Davis. When the fans start booing their own team, and notice nobody was chanting MVP for Kobe….team is is imploding. It will be interesting to see who is left standing.

Sad day for JLin…sad day for Lakers…sad day for NBA….only proofs one thing…race plays a part…

LOL

Yes, I’m glad that JLin shared what BS told him when asked. BS was exposed for lying that JLin was ok for benching. We know he wasn’t from his tweet and prayer request #4.

@awarde:disqus Wasn’t sure about the meaning of fans are booing. Can u explain more?

BTW, this is a little exert on why kidd had a problem with Scott’s coaching:

Kidd, and forward Kenyon Martin, also took issue with Scott’s coaching moves during last year’s Finals, including how the coach used former Net Dikembe Mutombo against San Antonio and his reluctance to call for double teams on center/Finals MVP Tim Duncan.

Here the tweet:

https://twitter.com/CNM_JLin_Vids/status/541808671957991424

Meaning BS is worst than McHale.

What a mean person he is…?! No respect at all. The result is the same… I really didn’t see any good D from this team last night. smh!

Lakers Fan Survival Guide: 10 Tips For Surviving This Horrible Season

Before anyone starts thinking a HC will change anything, remember Kobe, will be Kobe no matter who the HC is. Even Mike D couldn’t get Kobe to defer and let Nash play PG.

Don’t think Lakers will change coach as long as Kobe is here. They did whatever Kobe asked for it at least until now. smh!

Probably need 50% discount to sell them now.

I believe it was a step forward.

Hey even when Price is not there at the right place his shoes can be there at the right place.

No, you don’t miss McHale.

McHale was gradually phasing Lin out of the rotation the last two seasons.

The only difference between McHale and Scott is that Mchale had a better team that was in danger of losing the playoffs whenever Lin sat. So McHale had to minimally play Lin even though McHale didn’t want to play Lin at all. Scott has a worse team, so benching Lin is not detrimental to the team’s “hopes” of winning.

McHale forcefully ejected Lin off the Rockets this season. He finally got rid of the Asian guy once and for a.

Same here.

No matter how badly Lin struggles, he does something like this every game that reminds us why we are so admiring of his greatness.

McHale is NOT comparatively better.

That’s what I’m trying to tell you.

Lin would have been a DNP CD this season in Houston if he wasn’t traded. That’s on McHale.

At least Lin got a few games in before the inevitable racial DNP CD takes him down soon for the rest of the season.

It seems Byron Scott is losing the LA faithfuls. Also he might end up losing the locker room. His coaching is so outdated it makes my head hurts. Kobe got his puppet dancing to his every whim

We Lin fans, including you, CALLED IT.

I’m so sick of Lin playing for these outdated 80s coaches that still think the illegal defense rule is in effect.

Barry Allen, that’s what a reasonable basketball coach would and should do.

It will never happen because Scott is NOT REASONABLE.

Byron Scott is knocking out Lin for strictly racial reasons. When race is involved, reasoning gets flushed down the toilet.

I’m not sure how well even D’Antoni would do with a ball stopper like Kobe running the team. He couldn’t control Melo and ended up leaving NYK.

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Lakers change lineup, but get same, losing result against Pelicans http://bit.ly/1scNDws
https://twitter.com/MarkG_Medina/status/541996044825800704

It’s weird. Scott was not even that upset by the lose last night.. ?! smh!

I feel terrible about Lin’s unfair benching even though I’m usually pretty optimistic. I wanted to hear something positive to see if there’s something good to take away from all this (cause I’ve been going through similar things lately at work as this benching incident). Well I’m just glad I heard from PFV today to put things in perspective. Way to go PFV!

Only thing I’m looking forward to now the destruction of Lakers empire

If you noticed, he looked happy all night cudnt resist smiling I’m not even joking lol

No during the game when they were down
but I guess he was happy he had his dream team starting
post interview he didnt look upset when Lin played well

yah hes happy Lin didnt play well i think

Last game Jrue Holiday Highlights. You can tell how great the new defense stopper starting PG played.

Up coming with strong Western conference team. Let’s cheer for his defense contribution.

that extended to 12-0 run before NO got FTs.

with a worst lineup. Fish Tank.

keep posting my friends.

thanks for seeing that with me.

Thank you psalm, this is a good verse I will also meditate on because I believe in someone something much greater than myself. Also someones, like a team.

Last night the Lakers were playing like they were the team on back to back instead of the Pelicans. I guess it is safe to say BS already managed to lose the entire locker room after just 21 games. Hopefully, BS wouldn’t have the privilege to continue his cruel experiment on how hard you can bend Lin before he breaks.

Miller said Lin can go back to starting lineup. So that’s what Lakers promised Lin?!

Pelicans vs. Lakers 12/7/14 Jeremy Lin Praise for coming off the bench!

Not this one…they sort of praise how good Lin looked…& go on w he can earn his starting job back..

Miller has no clue what he’s talking about w/his flip floppin comments. Lin stated in his interview that bs DIDN’T say a thing about him getting back to the starting line-up. I listen to Miller like I listen to b-s…NOT AT ALL.

I thought this was a good breakdown for the fans, but really, Lin already earned his start so Worthy tells the truth and this is just supporting the surface waves.

PR buddy, PR. The Lakers are not as dumb as Houston. They play the PR game better.

I think most fans understand that as a Lin fan, we are just waiting on the summer for free agency. I seriously doubt Kobe will get hurt again long term giving Lin a chance to play his game. You lose explosiveness from an achilles but the surgery does a solid job reattching the ligaments. So Kobe will just continue on like he has. Thankfully the summer is only about 7 months away. It’s bearable as a Lin fan.

Now if he doesn’t choose wisely and makes the same mistake picking poorly again and not having his agent be competent enough to do the agent job properly, well there’s only so much a Lin fan can stand to bear.

Book smarts does not equal street smarts or real life smarts.

Here is one clip of fans booing in the end of 3Q,

Exactly, I dont expect Lin to do what kobe did back in the day but Lin is capable of doing the same to non contenders, which are about 20teams in the league

i agree

I think the LA Lakers gave Jeremy Lin these last 15 – 20 games to start and see what he was made of. Lin “failed” in the LA Front Office eyes badly. I think they wanted Lin to unfairly perform a miracle and make this team win and have Lin figure it out on his own without help, how to play with Kobe, get his stats, and pass the ball, all again without coaching help, Front Office support, or teammate support or familiarity.

Since Lin failed the test, which was basically impossible to pass, Lin is now no longer in the Lakers plans. I believe that is what you see happening. I think they got their feel for Lin and realize even if they like him somewhat as a player, that he doesn’t work any better with Kobe than Nash did and that Lin and Kobe are basically in each other’s way.

So they will find new players who help mask Kobe’s weaknesses better and will play with Kobe a bit more fluidly even though the Lakers will continue to stink till Kobe leaves.

Lin will be gone from the Lakers this summer. That is the huge silver lining. Imagine if he was signed through next season! I for one, will be positive, and recognize we only have to wait 7 months for Lin to find a new team that he can actually CHOOSE!

Sorry for the string of posts, but I now strongly believe Lin will be traded by February 2015 as an expiring contract. Prepare to see DNP-CD for Lin coming around the corner on another team. Not a troll post, just real talk.

This summer will be absolutely huge for Lin when he walks and finds another team who actually really wants him, for real wants him for his on court contributions, not some off court Asian marketing thing.

Keep the Faith, Part 1:

I’m just starting to rethink this season so this isn’t well formed. But, hey this is a forum so might as well just share and keep going. Acbc is the master at this, so I’ll try.

First and foremost, thank you Psalm and (Mods) for this site. The lean to positive discussion is a guiding light in what is great about being a Lin fan, so it is with that in mind that I want to post some thoughts, here and in other parts to come as I firm up my own reset.

Part 1: On wanting Lin to Bring It

Brent has said there is only so much Lin can do. KHuang has said it’s a race thing and Lin won’t sign with LAL. Joyce wants Lin to be more consistent and bust through. Many represent different facets of that mentioned. I know all three support Lin, all of us, and it is hard some days. I know the 3 above always go online or personally to help Lin, so kudos. Yet, Keep the faith.

Let me describe to you what it’s like to play on a new team and try to establish your role and leadership, through soccer. Put yourself in the mindset that you love competition and want to win, want to contribute your magic. So, you aren’t going to show up and pump a few plays up for just yourself, you want to play well with others, and win.

Growing up in the US, soccer was not popular so we got coaches that were football coaches who needed to work in Winter. They tended to move to sprint coaching in Spring. These guys didn’t know the game.

Imagine going from that to playing with Brits, Hungarians, Iranians, South Americans, Mexicans, Asians, etc. Each team played so differently and were homogenous so you could not break through easily. You had to do it through consistent team play and adjusting to their styles, which are very different. Some don’t even speak English on the field. Some days, you touch the ball 5% of how much you should. Some days, you give a ball in flow to a score and the guy who is popular takes it to the corner. Some days, you are running off ball all day trying to find a way to get people to see/hear you right.

Traveling all over like Maknusia must be doing, I tried to play pickup in every city. Above is how it feels and is, and see if you can imagine how much Lin can really do. People are speaking different languages, have played with each other for years, and know each others limits, desires. Even after the game, you have to hang with the players in pubs to get the on-field going. Else, you are there playing, and nobody will work the ball with you. If that happens, you are out of rhythm and the game, and there’s nothing you can do.

Same with pickup bball. You show up and you are good at some things but nobody knows because you have to get into the game flow with court-time at stake. You’ve got about 3 possessions to do something great before you are frozen out all day. It’s would be very hard to establish playing rhythm with new people, esp when they are not trying to win as a team, but out for personal goals.

I once went to a new group and they froze me out all game, and later my host read me the riot act for trying to establish myself in a team way talking on the floor rather than just scoring. Scoring by myself is very hard when you play 5 other people, some of whom are much taller than me on the interior. I had a quick first step, was great to the right, but what good did that do me 1-1 when there was a big guy inside playing good D? Then there was the problem of getting the ball, and of course if you are trying to establish team flow, you have to give up the ball to build team momentum. We later invited that team to our gym, and beat them easily 2 out of 3. We let up on the 3rd, because all of us were Chinese, them and us, and we were avg 10 yrs older and planned to go out to dinner after (big bros had to lose). So that wasn’t a race thing – just how hard it is to see the nuances of a team style when you are new to a bunch of guys, and if you mess up, everyone loses court time.

Lin is playing that great team game, and it’s become clear after 20 or so games LAL is not about that. So, he’s facing the off-court and indiv issues that show up in LAL not being a team that can function at the NBA level. There’s no problem with Lin, he’s just facing a team that won’t gel to play NBA bball.

So, Part 1 says, look at Lin’s output from a team game perspective, and imagine yourself walking on in a new team at work or in sports. Can you expert any leadership before someone incumbent gets mad? Can you go against an incompetent authority? etc. Figuring that out will give you hard nights and what looks like and IS inconsistent output.

Keep the faith! Mr. Lin will. He loves the game, and I can love that spirit in him so I’ll keep the faith.

Just 15-25 mins. When Lin gives up on the team game, he will start to become more efficient. The delay in him giving up on the team game will be if some others on the team want to play it – he will feel obligated to them to lead PG for them.

Ha ha, you said SAS won’t so it’s 28 lol.

Yes, the only thing he has to let go of is playing as a team. Just to to indiv performance yes. That’s one strategy to break through on a new team, or get invited on the court/field with them.

I just do not buy this teams only see PPG thing. They scout any player very thoroughly…Lin just had this racial bias on top of everything.

IF that was the reason why Lin gets the contract….he will forever getting benched Like his past 2.5 yrs. Because there is not bball reason to play him…

So…whatever the benefit Davis brings was cancelled by Price.

Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, I agree, they know Lin for real. So in that scenario, Lin just needs to show some brilliance so the story about “nothing he can do on LAL” sticks.

“The plot thickens.” By Joyce Ward.

good post. Yes maybe he will get 8-15 minutes a game once traded somewhere else.

Yep, I mean I hope it’s just Lin planning to sit out a few games to let the Lakers continue tanking without taking his stats down with the Titanic. Lin could also probably use some time off to clear his thoughts and plan his strategy.

Actually if you replace Boozer with Davis that doesn’t do so well either. Perhaps Hill and Davis are redundant or just sample size:

Bryant,Kobe – Davis,Ed – Hill,Jordan – Johnson,Wesley – Lin,Jeremy OffRtg 104.2, DefRtg 124.8, NetRtg -20.6

It’s when you replace Hill with Davis that you see something good:

Boozer,Carlos – Bryant,Kobe – Davis,Ed – Johnson,Wesley – Lin,Jeremy OffRtg 147.8, DefRtg 115.4, NetRtg +32.4

Makes sense, Davis in paint to do dunks, provide defense, Boozer to take short-mid 2’s, Kobe taking 2’s.

My approach is….it does not matter if this team play team ball or not. It is about showing what you are when you are on the floor…are you a positive player? Which part were you being positive. The 11-0 run last night is one good example. It is what advanced scout is watching…Then they will breakdown into even more detailed category…..e.g. Why Lin can not guard that 3 pt shot? Because he went for helping his team mate. What happen after that? ….How he stop the close out and reverse chasing the dribble penetration….

you trolled me … be quiet lol.

not really this time. the plot is clear now.

we’re only talking the next 6 months! Then he is a free agent! It’s coming before we all know it. I am not even sad, I am excited for the season to end and for Lin to get to choose a team he wants!

Hey JT, I have one other long post to make and then I’m going to take a vacation until things change. You can maybe keep me up with news by email if you feel like it and have time.

Why not? Lin better than those 2

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2293397-hopeful-he-had-found-a-home-in-la-jeremy-lin-left-searching-for-answers-again?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

Good article by Kevin Ding He understands Lin

Rondo wants 100M which Lakers will not pay for him just to passing the ball to Kobe.

well they need SOMETHING because the boo birds are coming and the Lakers are a Titanic in the making. Rondo will plug the hole and water will slowly get through instead of gushing through as it is now.

well they are basically old men who both should retire.

He is a rookie and doesnt get many minutes
He might have more potential than Lin but right now Lin better than Him

“his lack of nuance in running the
team offense and his defensive mistakes make it unclear whether he is,
to be blunt, good enough to do what he intends.”

Sad but real talk from Kevin Ding.

This is Kevin’s best and the only article of trying to help Lin out. All Ding can do is bring to light the hypocrisy surrounding Lin. To do more would be to be labeled as a Lin only Fan and Ding cannot go there for reasons I can understand. But at least he went this far. Ding gets some points from me for at least bringing up the issue Lin faces.

move Rondo out and then Smart will start. What team will play expiring chip Lin over their #4 pick they want to develop? Let’s be real and not fantastical!

Mike D’Antoni did a great job of masking Lin’s weaknesses and playing to Lin’s strengths. Since then, his last 2 coaches have tried to expose his weaknesses.

Getting away from no-wins is wise!

I think Lin will be a career journeyman from this point on or just an 8th man type like Beno Udrih going forward in his career. My expectations have plummeted because the forces against him are too strong. But Lin’s real purpose in making the NBA, for me, was that he provides legions of younger kids, faith that they too can do bigger and better things than even Lin did during Linsanity. Lin spearheaded this change for all these youths to believe in themselves and view Lin as the one before them. Lin will deserve his place in history as being that special break through guy.

To expect more than that? I do not anymore.

haha ok I’ll get going for a while. Thanks Brent!

So let the forces win then for you. My point is for you to stop speculating on wild things far out that have too many variables, because you will get disappointed and working out of that will take energy. Be like a skier or surfer – go with the energy of the waves or the mountain.

Nahs is gone

Ding is a LA writer he has his duties I’m glad he is at least being fair to Lin

Let me ask the biggest question:
Has Kobe given up mentoring Jeremy Lin into a championship PG?
– Did he think he can transform Lin into a great defensive PG playing next to him?
– Was it all a facade to gain more popularity in Asia?
– Which game did Kobe stop talking/mentoring Lin? (MIN game when Lin was benched for being too overaggressive in Q4?)
– Why did Kobe and Byron send 2 conflicting message about being aggressive in O and be a defensive PG?
– Did Byron try to send a message to Lin to transform into a defensive PG next to Lin to earn back his starting position?

Perhaps it’s all smoke-and-mirrors to cover up the great Tanking effort?

Did Byron actually say this is at least 10-game audition for Price?

As he tried to accept Scott’s decision after 20 games to start journeyman Ronnie Price for better point-guard defense—with the coach committing to at least a 10-game audition for Price—Lin said Sunday night: “This is one of the toughest situations I’ve been in ever since I started playing the game of basketball. I’m trying to figure it all out. It’s tough, but I believe God has me here for a reason, and I just keep working.”

Just be glad it wasn’t all in 140 character chunks.

I like how Kevin Ding summarized the conflicting message from Byron and Kobe:

Add it all up, and it’s confusing who Lin is supposed to be, even before you have Kobe Bryant telling him he has to play with an “eff-it attitude” from back in high school while Scott is nagging him to call more plays for his teammates and make more responsible defensive rotations.

Yes, Kevin Ding summarized well the conflicting situation Lin found himself in LA.

I thought he said 15 to 20 games w the same lineup. I think it will be 20 games bc Scott said he will meet w Mitch every 20 games. Who knows? Maybe next time it’s Clarkson time?! smh!

Could be….

I do not think Lin is confused tho. He knows everyone has their own agenda….that is all.

When someone openly said that he will be your mentor. you should refuse that offer because he has put himself above you.
JLin wanted to learn from Nash but Kobe cut him to that. It was not on Lin’s plan to learn from Kobe simply because Lin has beaten Kobe during Linsanity in New York.

Didn’t you get banned? Welcome back.

Very good point

Time to have a pregame thread? @psalm234:disqus? To get rid of some negativeness? LOL

That’s probably true in molding Lin into his new Derek Fisher.
When Lin tried to be aggressive in MIN game (possibly taking the ball away from Kobe in Q4), then he got benched!

probably true :]
I’m looking for positives to take actions. Show some stats to show how horrible Price in the starting lineup.
Compare PER36 numbers between Price and Lin, defensive rating, etc. 😀

Expose this nonsense from coaches
Let’s be positive in this EXPOSE’! haha

I probably need a few hours to finish something before creating a pregame thread.
If you have some time, you may do so first.

What is it that Lin cannot do? LOL I mean he cannot drive when the paint is clogged and he cannot shoot if nobody passes the ball even when he’s wide open, but are there any PGs our there who can work miracles?

he said hes gonna ride on this rotation for 15-20gaes

I feel like Kobe changed his mind about developing Lin cuz he wants to shine and be the only bright spot

the first part is right.

I want to hear he say that to Kobe LOL

I’m going to the pistol range this weekend… with some print-outs of Byron Scott’s face. Wish me luck.

@Jeremiah said something that might help Lin get back his starting position fewer than 15-20 games.

Last night we saw Kobe scored only 14 because w/o Lin, the entire defense was focused on Kobe

As we expect more blowouts, maybewe can show how Kobe’s scoring effectiveness has “tanked” (pun intended) without Lin. The guy likes to score so he’ll demand Lin to play next to him soon.

Or maybe we don’t have to do anything, just sit back and watch as Price is simply incapable of being a consistent scoring threat next to Kobe :]

at least he didn’t say that he’s not a coach to win games.

watch out for crazy reporters hoping to find evidence of “crazy Lin fans” LOL

It’s better to get a printout of “Byron in a tank” and tell them you’re simply trying to help Laker fans

He is a voice of reason.

a lot of negative reply for this. Here’ s Ido’s.

https://twitter.com/IdoAmir/status/542067136319868929

So funny and sad at the same time.

Hey, I said that ha ha such a BSc setup for dunks.

Congat you are smarter than him.

I never suggested to him to do anything. I am not qualify for that although i am not retarded.

Jeremy, this is the right time to demand a trade. Don’t sit back and accept all the crap throwing at you by your own team. God has a plan for you and wants you to take action now.

If he’s not one to massage egos, what has he been doing all this time concerning kobe, I wonder.

Lin DOES NOT have an ego.

I saw robin tweet. He’s really defending Lin.

GooddayLA is a troll! He constantly remind people how bad Lin was by pretending some other people said it!