G32 CHA @TOR Game Thread

2nd

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL! LIN FOR THE WIN 2016!

GOOD JOB! HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Lin is out so it’ll be a game some won’t watch and others will to see what unfolds. Happy New Year.

Haha! The hair…

https://twitter.com/LindsayDunnTV/status/682976484378591232

some say he is hopeful some say out??????

Look, it’s 2 games. We don’t know how many more. It’s not a Jefferson situation. Hawes has already missed 3 games and yes, I realize Hawes isn’t anywhere as central to the team as Lin. Batum missed a game and came back so-so in the next. Lin may play tomorrow night or not. We’ll just have to be patient, injuries happen, and hopefully he won’t be out that long. Him not playing also solidifies how much he’s needed in my opinion.

If the Hornets lose, then sure but if they go on a winning streak then Lin will become obsolete especially if Lamb goes on a run.

Too bad he can’t play… all these jerseys…Haha!

https://twitter.com/ChrisFredric64/status/682994310116175872

No Houston jersey though.

Can’t really see the Hornets winning this game without their best player Lin and the Raptors having extra motivations after the painful overtime loss in Charlotte.

It’s extremely unlikely that Lowry will have another awful shooting night again and unfortunately the Hornets will not be able to put the defensive stopper Lin to stop Lowry when he gets hot.

All in all, I will be very surprised if the Hornets pull out a win. The only way I can see them winning is if the Raptors partied too hard over New Year at home and Batum all of a sudden decides to impress his preferred destination team during free agency after this season.

I think Raptors will win.

Excellent prediction.

Whatever, the “2 best players” are always digging holes that others have to make up. Can’t change minds already drunk on coolaide. Fold and move on.

Nice family pic!

Lin is their best player if you consider his on-court leadership, knowledge, and actually performance in keep the game 5 on 5 when he’s PG.

ha! they have harvard instead… these guys rock!

Dont think he will

What I remember of Raptors first game was it really was never that close until the end of the 4th quarter when imo Kemba decided to get away from the ball movement/find open man plays they used to lead the whole night, and force KW heroball.

Because up until then I thought Hornets led by JLIN easily answered every run Raptors made with another run to stretch lead back up; also good team D forced off-balance shots/questionable looks causing some bad shooting by Lowry.

Of course if Raptors BLOW Hornets out tonight — we’ll have JLIN’s detractors say that Hornets just squeaked by in the first game — but frankly it should have never even gotten to Overtime had Kemba not tried to do too much in the endgame.

He’s not PG much. Because of Kemba’s scoring in the clutch and Batum’s central role in the offense, they are considered best. I don’t think “best” is that important with Lin. He’s central to them winning in a variety of ways.

Disagree. In this system, Lin is way better used the way he is. As a starter he doesn’t get the significant usage he gets in his current role.

Primary reason for me wanting them to win is what you’ve given. I root for the Hornets because Lin is an active member of the team. The only time that didn’t happen was last year where I didn’t care if they lost or won without Lin because playoffs wasn’t a possibility.

I’m still debating whether I should look for tickets for Jan 4th game when Lin visit Bay area or not. With his ankle problem, not sure how long that will take for him to recover.

I re-watched the play, looks like he came down onto Hilbert’s foot, that sound similar to his last sprain in Lakers in pre-season when he landed on Sacre’s foot. I think that time it took him more than a week to recover. So it will be exactly one week then, it is hard to predict on Monday.

Though he usually tried to play when he visit Bayarea since he had lots of friends here, but now his family are not around, and he is in the league long enough, not sure whether he would still try to play or not. I hope he wait till it is fully recovered.

Its against the Hornets You can wait until last minute I suppose

Not with GSW and JLin. That’s a popular ticket in the Bay Area, costs have gone up 4-8x from even 2 yrs ago. Blame it on Steph 🙂

thanks! Exactly, GSW tickets are getting more expensive now, and traffic is something. 🙁

exactly, I just feel that Lin will shine more if they get into playoff, and people all have short memory, one great game in playoff is more useful than couple of good games in regular season.

I just really really want Hornets to get into playoff, and now East is so competitive which is harder now.

Wouldn’t it be better to park at a BART station and take that in? Or is it pretty crazy catching BART when the area empties out?

Yah damn curry
but if both Lin and curry are out
nobody wants to see the game lol

I’d bike there

around there is v industrial with fast cars on may over-passes and run down neighborhoods. That’s why GSW are moving to SF, because it’s hard to attack a good neighborhood crowd with people hanging out after like at the Giant’s baseball PacBell Park.

acdc: This is the power of a coach over his/her apprentice:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-clippers-report-20160101-story.html

There are over 500,000 Asians in greater Toronto. It was crazy when Lin went there the first time when he buried that 3 scoring 6 of the last points for the Knicks. It was almost a home game for the Knicks.

Thanks for the article. Amazing reflection on Lin to have endure so much mistreatment.

I don’t understand how they would let the closest thing to a “rim protector” leave for nothing….Biyombo balances out Jefferson nicely…Al is slow and an average rebounder and shot-blocker, so if you want someone to back him up, he’d be the athletic Bismack who can offer what Jefferson can’t.

Terrible decision by Cho.

Lin isn’t listed here and it’s a tweet 25 mins ago

https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/683071076113330176

This stat pretty much say it to all the doubters that if Lin gets to be 2,3 option on any team he’d post all star numbers. He was second option when Batum went down and he posted 35pts.

Is Nic playing?

i think so. lin and hawes are out again.

C’mon Hornets: play hard, play defense, and share the ball. Need the win. Lets stay in the playoff race.

Clifford put him on the bench for 2 years first.

Hornets don’t really have money for him last summer. They have only mid level exception and Room exception there, and then they could only sign minimum contracts. If they kept Bismack, they will need to pay tax. I don’t think the team has that high view about him to pay tax.

Also, they are trying to free up as much salary next summer as possible, so they don’t want to give Biyombo long term contract, I do think that’s the same reason why they don’t want to keep PJ. They are okay player, but not the player worth to lock up their flexibility for.

CCYAA (@CCYAA)1/1/16, 6:35 PM
Swoosh! @JLin7 out for tonight but still makes it look so effortless #asianheritagenight pic.twitter.com/Kt56ryiFxG

Missed Cliff’s interview until the very end and he said miss his defense right now. Was he talking about Lin?

Marvin Williams has hit a horrible slump.

Prepare for tomorrow’s game?

They actually look decent so far. No slow start.

I see they put more effort on defense after the Clippers game so it’s good to see that

Bench Force 1 is missing JLin’s defensive energy

everyone on both team doing well thanks to the defense

They were chewed out I’m sure. It also helps the shots are falling so they are keeping up with Toronto in scoring.

no defense on both sides

The only way we can win this game is if we outscore them cause our defense is not there. We’ve been tied up 9 times already. It’s just trading baskets now.

Lowrey is a very good player. He put up 41 against GSW but he missed a FT in the last minute to tie the game. They are a good regular season team but needs someone to clutch their playoff run. Lin’s game when he made that last 3 was typical of his clutch play. That whole game Lin struggled until the 4th. In the last minute he tied the game with a drive and one. Then made the 3 to put the game away.

Yeah, it really says a lot about Lin’s spirit to read an article like that about someone who has a red carpet from dad, luke lol.

Lin was in the zone and his coach saw it clearly and said use the force, Luke.

it’s very possible since TOR defense looks slightly worse than the Hornets

lol Lamb is back?

1-8 before made this.

2-11

https://twitter.com/Sam_Huang_Fan/status/683099474978291712

looks like still applying pressure on the ankle, so still trying to stop the swollen then.

yeah, looks like Lin could not play tomorrow either….. by the way he is limping

Raptors played so bad. Will be lead 20 if LIN is in.

My version of that is the post up. Shaun Livingston had a fun one because he had a nice step back jumper. More fun than a big post up, more options.

Great hair tonight

Hornets up 82-74 at the end of the 3rd quarter.
They can steal this one if TOR continues to struggle on offense (37% FG vs 47% for Hornets)

And .. just like that TOR tied it 82-82 with 10 min left
Let’s hope they can withstand this run

Yep. Lowry again is not playing that great but them close in their own building can have them coming out on top in the end.

I rarely see Lowry play well. He can get streaky and hit bad shots, but I don’t find his game that great.

Oh c’mon Hornets!! This is starting to get ugly.

very true. Even if Lin struggles in shooting, he can always drive to get FTs at the rim with his speed

yes, these 2nd opportunities are killing the Hornets 92-86 now w 6 min left

Is Lamb guarding anyone?

Lol at the rate we are going Kemba or Batum will get injured. There’s no way both of them can carry Lin’s load.

without lin the hornets offense is predictable. its either in kemba or batums hands all game.

And i didn’t even mention defense

My wish for JLin is to let him heal well before he plays. No point to cause further injury for anyone and any team!

MW-sanity.. 94-94 now 😀

haha .. keep the hot hands going!

Bad Kemba, there. Had Lamb open.

this is the main problem with Hornets.

No one can drive to draw double-team to create open shots for teammates like Lin.
Kemba can drive but only to shoot for himself.

Lin is that guy. Thats his role.

why lamb shoot that

Unfortunately, he’s only doing so if Kemba and Batum ISOs+playmaking don’t work

Cliff talking to Lamb.

Frustrated Batum buried his face on the towel..
Poor guy is missing JLin now

The kw way to finish.

GG Batum

oh my… Batum weak pass to Zeller got stolen

at least clifford sat Lamb for that seriously selfish play

props to brian roberts, he had a nice game (from stats).

over 27 minutes for 5 points as SG

Lin > Batum
Lin + Kemba = Win
Batum + Kemba = Lose

No Lin No Win!

Cliff is going to hit the roof. Post game will be like 7 seconds or less.

oh yeah, that’s true.

NO LIN NO WIN!

No Lin, no win! No way! No how! With Lin Shu Hao, you win some how!

Have no desire to watch the game except follow the stat periodically. Well, it’s an interesting loss by the sound of it. Guess Hornets/Cliff learns to appreciate JLin even more than a bench player. Give him a starter job rather than push him to be the 4th/5th/6th/7th…… player/scorer for the team.

Cliff is in a tough position now….win with Lin playing pg or lose with Lin stand in the corner.

Same here.. No desire to watch anymore. Off to the Sixers game..

Sorry Hornets for the loss. Hornets got this game for 3 quarters, and they could have used Lin, Mr. 4th quarter. Batum seems to always makes crucial TO at the most critical time. Hornets’ leadership on the floor was missing from their designated core leaders/players, NB & KW.

just as i predicted. kobe out with shoulder injury due to his jealousy and hate filled flagrant foul committed towards Lin last week. karma is a b….

actually, trying to win. notice it was either Lamb or PJ. i’d still go with Lamb. i mean, who knew Lamb would pull that stunt at the end of the game

He wasnt good at all tonight
people are complaining about it hornets fans

both equally bad tonight. but PJ is worst most nights and usually don’t get to finish games. it was always either Lin or Lamb

Same thought here. Biyombo is a gold rebounder and rim protector. I think he can play better than Valanciunas as he gets PT and more experience. He also makes FTs.

Lin is still walking limp why plays?

Cliff makes sure JLin is no savior. Hornets rather lose than making Lin the hero.

Don’t think that’s the case here

more pics

https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/683102144287801344

Maybe…$2M player to the rescue… That’s ridiculous

Is there a dress code for out players on bench?

But that didn’t stop Kobe from aggravating Lin’s injury with that slick help me up while I step on your ankle maneuver.

I think so it’s no need to play tomorrow.

Why did Batum only take 9 shots and KW 21 shots? Is NB’s toe still hurting? Does anyone know?

I think Batum is still not fully recover yet… but since no Lin they asked him to play tonight.

https://twitter.com/CCYAA/status/683126891658784768

oh, he’s doing Asian Heritage Night in TOR now

ah so JLin had to fly to Toronto to speak at the Asian Heritage Night

Thanks. No Lin to draw defense to take pressure off KW and NB is felt tonight for sure.

Yea there is.

all kobe’s fault

That’s right. The last Raptors game, Hornets were leading 12pts at halftime with Lin leading the team. Enough said.

Worst 3 teams for catch and shoot!

Charlotte no doubt is the worst team. Even though we have an offRtg of 9 it is still bad.

Which is why we will die by Kemba/Batum/ and especially Frank/Zeller’s stupid 3s.

Lin is also to blame since he is the dude who usually drives and kicks.
One of the main reasons why Lin is also to blame is because:
– his drives and kicks aren’t towards an open target
– the open shooters are just bad

– Lin’s drive doesn’t get any shooters open

What’s surprising to me is that our catch and shoot 3’s are 5th in the league.
Houston is 24th with their sharp shooter Ariza and Har en!

No Lin, No win, No pizza. I did not watch, but the result is what I expected, although it was not I wish for.

Need a link?

2 minutes into game, PHI 1 vs LAL 2. Yes, scores, not RB, or blocks or TO.

Was a beast in college
kind of struggling in the NBA
He’s all hustle

He doesn’t play very smart.

Smith blew an easy layup

It is on lp..I an watching it

I tune in to watch MDA on the bench…lol

I am watching 76 feed but not see him yet… These players just can’t make me stay to watch…. LOL!

He needed to do so but never … smh!

I saw him on the bench and begin of a time out…MDA stood up and start tapping butt of players walking by him

Way of Spades ‏@RealJamesBeck 13m13 minutes ago
Having Jeremy Lin on your team changes everything about your team…how other teams defend u, better shots 4 teammates and ball movement

Wow! Really well said…

Travis (CAR 14-1) ‏@Mr_Travy 1h1 hour ago
Can someone tell Kemba to pass the ball like a PG should?

Roberts had 0 Ast, and he did nothing to stop Corey Joseph from driving and dishing.

It’s a very young team. Noel can be fun to watch, sometimes Grant and Okafor does some cool stuff sometimes. Noel would be good with Lin…on another team. Not Philly.

W or W/O Lin, Kemba is always the same guy. Just shoot…..

Hornets is #10 now. Anyone knows what did Cliff say in his postgame interview?

I’ll check it and report back.

A foul a minute.

I like it!

Good to know that… Haha!

LOL but well said !

Austin Rivers, probably not but Toronto going on a 13-2 run? thats out of Lins reach He cant defend all 5 of them

Seems like he’s feeling pretty good about it except for the rebs

Definitely wasn’t mad like the other night but frustrated that Toronto had a higher effort in rebounding in the 4th.

https://twitter.com/cheesyhoe/status/683141485244485632

https://twitter.com/Loveforlife0323/status/683139887839629312

https://twitter.com/jimzxy/status/683138948084961280

So after PJ hmm

Well, I think Cliff means in 4Q Lin was in for D (PJ would not close game, Batum was in for O…) Don’t know I should say happy or not… Why not Lin is in for O & Batum is in for D?! I think it’s for ASG purpose.

No Way. Cliff cannot get fired. Who’s a promising coach out there right now ? Gonna risk coach/players chemistry ? Plus, Cliff is not the one holding all the cards – think Cho & MJ got some.

how do you know?

nice to see his fans are so diverse

you said it, sista. it was definitely no DEFENSE, no urgency, no teamball, and no leadership. it wasn’t really rebounding which the fake coach tried to put it on. and at the of the game kemba and lamb just took turns hogging the ball and isolating. AND, both guys took turns getting scored on. something about these uconn guys.. smh

By some of the tweets, which I posted above.

Yep

what are the reasons that lin is not a starter for hornets?

1. He was brought in to be bench player

Haha! I know so I gave up don’t want to waste my time… smh!

Yeah just turned it off myself. I think Lakers will win.

Lol

Jlin doing the dirtywork for batum and walker…

Ur right on point…

Not at all
its up to Clifford

I saw how bad the guards were…the front court looked decent, and with possibly 2 top 3 draft picks and plenty of cash to pick up good SGs in the offseason (Beal or Harrison Barnes), I’ll take the Sixers over any team

They should just trade injury prone MKG in the offseason for some quality 3 and D players…sign Beal or Barnes to play SG, play Batum at SF, and beg Jeremy to come back as the 6th man

You don’t see what I see.

Practiced shooting today also orior to Toronto gm.

No matter how good the coaching or system, the players must make some points. Both ish and cannon couldn’t hit the side of a barn tonight. They both took the most shots and had both had less than 10 point each.

Didn’t help that Kobe was there to brick as well.

I only watched few min of the game from 1Q but really not impress w Ish at all. Both teams were bad …. from box score, Ish didn’t do well.

Ish is garbage, I’d rather have McConnell back up Jeremy next year 😀

He was much worst than Walker and that says a lot.

He can play better. But he’s not as good as the first few games with Philadelphia once teams make adjustments to him.

Thankfully

That was some ugly basketball

If they sign Beal, it guarantees Lin will play 25 minutes minimum because Beal STINKS and would need Lin to protect him just like how Lin protects Kemba Walker.

3 assists in 36 minutes as the team’s leading ball handler is not ‘putting the team on his back.’ it is simply trying to do it by himself, and failing. he has guts, to be sure. that doesnt mean he’s effective. he’s a gutsy but stupid player.

Lin’s had those types of stats too. KW has had stats where he got assists and played the same ways. Assists aren’t always the tell-tale sign. With Batum hobbled and just the type of player Batum is, Kemba hasn’t figured out how to get shots for Frank, a weapon, Lamb, a weapon in the right spots (here’s where Lin is so missed), and Cody. He gets shots for Kemba and that takes other guys out of the game. But Kemba can win some games as well. He needs to find the balance of involving and being the guy to make buckets, him trying to make buckets is way out of proportion to involving others.

I think it’s GUTLESS of Kemba Walker to deliberately refuse to adhere to Coach Clifford’s gameplan.

A real winner would try to play teamball the way his coach envisions.

lin never had those kind of stats WHEN he got the opportunity to be the lead ball handler, and do it for 30+ minutes a game. youre talking nonsense.

utter rubbish.

Agree.

Hornets with Lin could barely beat the Sixers.

Such a group would need Lin MORE, not less.

Why are you arguing with me? He has. I remember games like that in Houston. Anyway, I’m agreeing with you for the most part about Kemba’s shortcomings. But, I think Lin and Kemba are the two guys that have enough in them to get the Hornets over the hump. If Kemba is reeled in.

I agree. No max players. Nic may get max, but he’s not max.

If you want to see it that way, go ahead.

But I think it’d GUTLESS for a single selfish loser to place his individual needs above that of the team.

To me, that is ULTIMATE WEAKNESS.

In today’s NBA, there is NOT A SINGLE PLAYER who can take over a game singlehandedly and beat opponents all by himself.

This is not the 80s where a single player can beat 5 guys due to the illegal defense rule that was mercifully abolished.

In just 2 games,Kemba and Batum was exposed as a role players,nothing is so special on these 2.If Hornets wants to reach the playoff Cliff needs to make Kemba as a 6th man and Batum as SF.Let Lin and Lamb,Batum,Zeller and Kaminsky starts and alternate Kemba and Lin to lead the 2nd unit.

Not by himself, but be the force that takes on the team and makes the big buckets or plays down the stretch. I think sometimes Lin has done that. Guys like LeBron, Curry, do this.

youre talking as if kemba was repeatedly setting up teammates deftly, but they were missing shots despite the opportunities kemba created. was that the case tonight? nope. it rarely is.

we really talking stats or the substance behind the stats? no need to reply, you just talking the same gibberish.

tonight, when kemba was doubled he passed too late out of the double team. u see CP3 or Rondo repeatedly make that mistake? nope.

but stick to your stat watching. no need to talk about anything substance.

If you look at Kemba Walker’s HISTORY, he’s only had one barely winning season.

He is a CAREER LOSER who is known for breaking the offense with his selfish no defense play.

You are trying to convince us Lin fans that Walker is some sort of great player and Lin’s some inferior understudy that must meekly kowtow to Walker’s superior ability. THAT WON’T WORK on the veteran NBA fans like myself that have been watching for too mnay years.

No I’m not. I don’t know where this hostility comes from because my views are only slightly different from yours.

I said he didn’t set up his team mates and only creates for himself. I’m not going to look at Kemba like you see him. But you aren’t accurately reflecting my opinion on Kemba at all. And I’m not stat watching. I’m watching Kemba’s energy more than anything else compared to others and he and Lin are the two, in my opinion, that have winning energy when both of them are on their games, in crunch time of games.

I did not praise Kemba AT ALL in my assessment of him. I was critical of him.

When Harden was out he was. And in a few designated games when Harden had to sit in foul trouble or whatever. It’s not that important. A player can get low assists because of what PFV calls “blown assists” or hockey assists or good looks leading to fouls.

Not a single one of those players can take over games as a one man team.

Every one of those guys is playing on a stacked team with more than one “superstar”.

So no, I don’t buy the notion that a single guy can’t beat 5 even though I agree with your premise that Charlotte doesn’t have a single superstar worldbeater including Lin.

I think we have a lot in common actually. I’m not anti-Kemba. I’d take Kemba over Harden or Kobe any day. And Anthony as well. But I have criticisms of him as I do most NBA players. And see the good qualities with the not-so-good in my opinion.

You’re dreaming. Clifford is trying to setup fixed roles for each player in the team. Lin was brought in to the a spark off the bench and that’s it. They aren’t alienating their franchise boy who still has a contract over a 1 year player who could leave.

I’m not saying they can beat a team by themsleves but they are superstars who can do special things

Role players can be winners.

Selfish ego defensiveless hero ball losers usually cannot win unless they’re Kobe Bryant playing on stacked Lakers teams that are stronger without him than with him.

I’ll sorta let Batum off the hook because he does demonstrate some teamball tendencies. But Walker? NO, because he breaks the gameplan on both ends of the court in order to pad his stats. Walker literally doesn’t care if the team loses.

If Lin started, Lamb would not only be good enough to start but would be a fine defensive player.

But you are right in that if Lamb started with Walker, Lamb could not protect Walker like Lin can.

How’d you know?yeah his defense is poor but he has an above average offensive games.

Agree.

Lin can do those things too, and that’s why the Hornets need him.

Even the greatest PGs will have low assist games here and there to say the otherwise is just pure stupidity and ignorance beyond saving

Now THAT is something I agree with.

Kemba Walker has more than proven that when he CHOOSES to play teamball, he can do so brilliantly in a way that makes everybody and himself look terrific.

But the hard truth of Walker is that he’s UNWILLING to play teamball over the years – and that will never change.

Your boy Kemba Walker is SO BAD defensively, it throws the entire Hornets team out of whack.

But when Lin’s PG, Lin shuts down the opposing PG in a way that prevents teamwide defensive breakdowns that affect Lamb negatively.

Walker STINKS defensively. He’s James Harden bad.

Current rotation is fine
Just stagger Lins and Kembas mins let Lin run points

It’s not even politics. It’s about management and Hornets are correct into doing that.
Lin and Batum are 1 year deals and Lin has a higher chance of leaving the team. They aren’t going to risk 2 or more seasons with Kemba over Lin.

I didn’t say that Lamb has a good defense at all but with a good defensive PG like LIn,he can actually tell him where to position himself where to defend.

He can and does. Doesn’t mean that Lamb won’t get burned due to not reading and positioning himself correctly once the offense goes into their sets. Lin has to see to himself and others on the court as well. Would need help from coach and guys like Marvin on the team to position Lamb.

Whatever you want to think then go ahead since you know their team better.

So true, in today’s open game with so much blitzing double teams to force out ISO, there’s just no place left for hero ball. The fact that Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 pts is because of the no zone rule. It’s a very rare occurrence now for players to score over 50pts.

Lebron lost in 2 straight finals because he couldn’t carry his team on his back. In fact they single covered him to tire him out and covered his teammates instead. Then they put waves of players on to build up the score.

Good teams now must run multiple screens to free up players for good looks. The problem is that hornets don’t use even one screen for Lin to help him free up his man and force defence to react to him. That’s why high PNR is such a great play. But it needs someone with speed and quickness of mind and body to take advantage of the mismatch.

u saw him walk between court and locker room tonight? or you talking about how he looks in practice?

100% agree. Kemba’s been ballhog whole of his carreer with an entire organization behind without proving anything to anyone.

He just chucks shots after shots and sometime he get 20 points.

Let the Hornets sink with him.

a team is more than the sum of its parts. just comparing the individual players on the hornets versus the sixers does not mean much, especially since the talent disparity between the rosters is not big. given the proper role on the sixers, lin’s team would certainly outperform the hornets as they currently are.

yeah, in the first half, saw him pounding the ball for good 10+ sec and trying to look for his own shots, and then pass the ball to Marvin when there is 3 sec left, really hated that play.

The other thing I noticed and I really don’t like with Kemba is, when he is double teamed or when he don’t have a good opportunity, he pass the ball out only to ask it back right away, so his pass is not trying to set his teammates up, rather trying to set himself up. That’s why he had way higher passes percentage than traditional ball hog like Kobe or Young, but he is still a ball hog. If you look at his potential assist/passes, that’s extremely low.

He always tries to overcome double team with his overrated crossover.

https://twitter.com/bolero2010/status/683139626899345409

Whatever, kW and Batum were horrible and not able to clutch when needed. At least MDA is 500 so far with a young team and bad shooting PGs. How do explain KW’s bad shooting tonight? It’s okay to give Clifford a pass with “team needs more time to gel”. Yeah thankfully others don’t see the situation like you 2. Lol

Please! We also said Al and Frank would be amazing with Lin but guess what?
Don’t blame Okafor! He’s padding stats so he can have a good contract when he ditches the 76ers.
76ers has no market value! No above average player would waste their career on that team even if they have Lin who no one cares.

Nice! So Ish Smith is not the long-term answer?

I have no doubt MDA will lobby JLin in the off-season but MDA can also be a Head Coach somewhere else other than Philly next season. It will be interesting indeed!

They will try to get on next summer….Lin?

Oleeeee!!!!

Ouch, I see Ish Smith with 3-19 shooting to finish with 9pts/3asts

Anyone that knows Lin knows Lin doesn’t take more than 11shots on a regular basis let alone 20+ shots.

I love your optimism but let me bring you back down to reality.

Larry Bird : Only player to turn a franchise around and win a ring during his rookie or sophomore year . 20wins to a 60 win team.

Allen Iverson: Only player to take the 76ers to the finals by himself but couldn’t win a ring.

What is the point joining the 76ers when there’s no chance of winning rings. You guys only care about Lin getting stats and bragging rights but at the end of the day rings matter.

I laugh at you saying that MJ couldn’t set up easy buckets for Lin. I can bet you MJ’s final 2 seasons would be better than Lin’s final 2 seasons.

a little glimpse during the game, during time out…..

If teams do then where did Lin’s fat contract go?

It’s so obvious they will be the gm and coach next year

Jlin turned down the fat contracts to play for the hornets. …where gave you been?

What fat contract? 10million a year?
All talks but no offer?
GSW paying 10mill a year?
Bulls paying 10mill a year?
Dallas paying 10mill a year?
Lakers paying 10mill a year?
Nuggets paying 10mill a year?

Only team that seems reasonable is 76ers. We all know why Lin didn’t go there !

Oh…he will go there next year…if MDA is the coach there.

That’s what I’m saying both ish and cannon couldn’t hit the side of a barn tonight. They both took so many shots but was so bad that even Marshall would have been an upgrade.

Hope and pray you’re right. Brandon Ingram would be their ideal fit in the draft.

Is there a no fire clause in that contract?…if not…then that extension is browns separation package.

yes, I agree. They need to sort out the org structure first.
If not somewhere else

LOL did say any of those things?
MDA is just an associate coach .500 will not be fully credited to him and what does batum and kemba being bad have anything to do with this? Did I give Clifford a pass? Do you ever make sense? LOL maybe thats where you should start lol

What do you mean? Kobe didn’t play tonight.

I watched most of the sixers game. it was embarrassing for ish and canaan, cuz the 3rd string PG mccowell outplayed both of them. also, without a doubt, the scrappy mccowell is the best defender amongst those 3 PGs.

ish, aside from pushing the pace well, i dont see him having any above average skill in any area. one thing that jumped out at me is he can’t go left. when he does dribble to the left, he either crosses back, or spins, to the right, or pulls up for a midrange jumper instead of going all the way.

canaan, im surprised he seems to have made no improvement since his houston days. he was throwing desperate and inaccurate lobs to nowhere during his PnR. he’s still slow, and he turned the ball over twice just by misdribbling. his jumper is so bad that its obvious the shot won’t go in even upon release.

overall, the team moves the ball well, but they have no one like lin who can consistently put pressure on the defense. it seems no one has a reliable jumper. but the bigs do set competent screens.
im not sure they keep anyone on the team next year besides okafar/noel, and covington. its likely that the roster will be so different next year that it will be unrecognizable compared to this season.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-philadelphia-76ers-elliott-20160101-column.html

Interesting article and interview with Colangelo. Good insight on what he plans to do with the Sixers. Ish does look like some sort of stop gap.

Still not convinced on Sixers for Jeremy. They’d have to convince him that they can build a winning team in such a short time. He can’t do it by himself and it was disheartening seeing them play today.

Wow, nice analysis… ill keep my conclusion until i see more then… but you know how weve been burned bf by these idiotic teams…

Guts? He like a prince who is given freedom from the king to do whatever he wants…

Sad but true.

In other words, they cant win against playoff teams without Lin as their decoy and helper.

Jeremy Is the superstar of the Hornets if he’s allowed to run point.

By the way Colangelo and MDA turned around the Suns to a 60+ win season once they got Nash back from Dallas, a difference of 41 games. Lol. That was MDA’s second season as a head coach and Nash became league MVP twice right after that.

Every point you make against Sixers is moot because look at how badly hornets are playing without Lin! So your pinning hopes on Hornets because of their record? They were below 500 club and will be again when Lin leaves. I’d much rather Lin struggle with MDA somewhere and be the leader with ball in hand than playing 9th fiddle and doing all the heavy lifting to promote others.

AI was a selfish player and stat padder. How could he ever carry a team. He was a detriment to a team becuase he never played as a team player.

It’s been a long time but you probably never heard of Dr J aka Julius Erving those were glory days of Philli not AI.

He’s not looking at the end of season, he’s dealing with the now. That’s why I’m not into end of season or next season stuff because I don’t think he is. Good to hear he’s happy where he chose to be.

The Hornets FO have their heads buried in the sand if they don’t see that JLin is the most impactful player on the team.
Maybe they are happy to push Batum and Kemba to be All-Stars next season. That probably is their biggest lifetime achievement.

You’re a hopeless lin hater.

A smart husband would never tell his wife she’s fat.

Among the best.

When he was traded to Lakers,he said that he was very happy too ,same thing with Houston,and I’m pretty sure after Hornets he will say the same when he got his new team.

Most of us would never understand what it takes to be an elite athlete. The dedication, hard work to practice and practice, weight room and cardio. We wouldn’t last a day. We think it’s some mythical power or maybe they seek fame, money and adulation. To Lin, that’s the least of it and I suspect most if not all NBA players trying to make it to the NBA would say the same thing. They just love to play the game. What appears to be hard work is more an obsession to be the best. The ones that are the greatest are the ones that loves to work the most.

So what separates the top from the next level down. They have a goal, a dream and a belief in who they want to be. These great players define themselves by incremental growth and process. There’s been talk about how the Sixers are trash and that they are a bunch of losers. It’s lazy to just look at stats and draw conclusions. These players were all winners before being drafted by a loser organization. They force these kids to lose and and just as it is in LA, the kids have spoken out about the FO and coaching. A young player’s career isn’t defined by just what they’ve done, what they are doing now but by who or what they want to become. Okafor is young and talented but he needs guidance and real coaching. Lin turned Howard into a pretty good PNR partner. He can certainly help Okafor to learn to play an easy game of PNR to pad his stats.

What goals do you and I have? Find a good college, meet a beautiful wife, get marry, get a great job, get promoted, make lots of money, buy a fancy car, live in a big house and retire early. To me that’s not dreaming, it’s accepting what the world has to offer you and getting as much out of that as possible.

There’s a lot of NBA players like that, they’ve stop growing, they’ve stop dreaming. It’s now a job. I’ve seen it over and over again as a tennis coach. Players get to a stage when they aren’t willing to risk making changes to a game that has served them well to get to the big stage. They start protecting there place in the pecking order instead of pushing beyond what they are today. Lin’s not wired like that. He’s a lot like Kobe than you think in that they both love to practice. Lin has a vision and he will never accept playing the game as a means to a pay check. That’s what really separates Lin from other NBA players and us.

Lin has had more peaks and valleys than most NBA players. Those peaks often coincide with injuries to teammates and he’s allowed to become relevant. There’s a lot of people that want to define Lin as the one whose at the bottom of that bell curve. Mchale kept lowering that curve and ignore any highs of his games. Meanwhile John Walls struggles were considered growing pains. The bias against Lin to measure him at the bottom of his curve while Wall gets to be measured only at the top of the curve is totally unfair. MDA was and still is the only coach that believed in the peak of Lin’s bell curve. And Lin didn’t disappoint MDA. What’s really sad is that some Lin fans actually want to measure Lin at the bottom of the bell curve and chooses to ignore why Lin’s stats went down due to marginalization.

Lin has always love Naruto. Naruto was a delinquent and everyone in the village hated and was feared him. Lin like Naruto never let other define who he was. They always focused on what they wanted to achieve. That’s the power of dreams. It’s easy to condemn others by one action, but over time, the process to repair and change people’s minds is why Naruto and Lin is so similar. As Shikamaru said of Naruto “he has a way of making you want to follow him”. Lin also has that way as well and he keeps making friends in the NBA everywhere he goes. That is Lin’s way of the ninja.

Excellent. Excellent. Bravo. Bravo.

There’s a huge difference between Lin in Charlotte and the Lakers at the same time last year. Those that want to read into Lin will do so. But I think it is more what they want than what Lin wants which really is unknown.

Hope not…..

As much as I missed watching him playing, I hope he won’t force it unless 100% feel good.

10 in the 2Q and 10 in the 4q. They lost last night because of no mr. 4q.

That’s obvious. Hope not only Hornets but other teams see Lin’s value too.

I really take offence to your attack on a lady. It was totally uncalled for. I don’t mind your personal attacks. Bring it on but don’t go being flippant with the ladies again.

I’m pretty sure about myself that I played and watch basketball since I was 12 years old.So I think I know enough.How about you?

Kemba has scored more i 4Qs than Lin has. He’s scored over 20 at least in 1 game and has had a lot of games where he was Mr 4Q. Lin is Mr 4Q but hasn’t been that much as a Hornet. It’s not true that Kemba fades in most 4Q games, he actually tends to take a lot of shots and makes some. And, unlike Lin, who absolutely has a tendency at times to pass off or turn down shots, Kemba doesn’t. Call it guts, will or whatever you want, he’s willing to make or miss big shots.

based on article, to put it succinctly, the only assets of value they have are big men, who need a pass-first PG in order to develop. thats why ish is there.

that article gives further confirmation to my thinking that the roster will look radically different next year (not just getting free agents, but also bringing in veteran players), and secondly, that they arent tanking next year.

Ish Smith was the starting point guard a few months ago for this last place Sixers team.

He didn’t suddenly transform into a big time winner overnight.

Sorry, totally disagree as usual.

I remain unmoved in my stance that Lin would take the current Philadelphia team in the offseason and singlehandedly lead them into the playoffs next season.

The only caveat would be that Coach Brett Brown would not allow any single player to selfishly break the gameplan.

Ex Rockets tank man Sam Hinkie was running the 76ers this offseason.

But ever since the Colangelo and Dantoni moves, Hinkie has lost power.

I’m sure Lin will look hard at the 76ers this offseason.

k.

Nash wasn’t the only addition.

Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson, and some other key guys were all added at the same time.

There’s no superstar that has transformed a team all by himself.

I totally disagree.

I’m a big Iverson hater because I didn’t think he was a team player.

The record of Iverson’s teams reflect my statement.

Yah he’s definitely in a good situation but people will never be happy

Lin’s been doing it for so long, it’s getting old.

Saying they appreciate him is one thing…they need to show it through action like let him play pg and not standing in the corner waiting for scraps.

NO.

People can be satisfied with Lin’s situation like I am but still strongly believe that he deserves to be paid better and coached better.

100% agree

I want to like Lamb. He’s out of position a lot as a defender. He has poor defensive instincts. He has great length, but poor instincts. Kemba doesn’t get lost so much, he gets steals and blocks and deflections on a more consistent basis than does Lamb.

He still went to the nba finals one year
he was still fun to watch
theres a reason why he was so popular
he was never a team player but doesnt mean he wasnt a great baller

I think the longer he’s out and the Hornet’s keep losing the more his value goes up.

That’s true but Colangelo did draft Stat and assembled a good mix of players. Sixers have a stable of wild stallions but don’t have any riders or trainers. I expect that they will add the pieces and trade some assets to build a team that could win the east.

Watching lots of bball doesn’t amount to much if you watch with blinders on.

yah, I watched the game too last night. Its seems mcconelle has a decent D kinda Bev 1 on 1 but can’t really stop anybody. anyway just 1 game but his O was good not sure when his guarded. Same Canaan no D. Ish hmm. no comment. and they really moved the ball..

This is such a well thought out commentary and very timely for me as it’s the new year and I’m breaking out of that cycle of only “accepting what the world has to offer” and going to strive out and become an entrepreneur. After over 25 years in the corporate rat race, earning that steady and perceived safe paycheck, I’ve decided to finally go out and start up my own business. It’s totally out of my comfort zone, but I want to grow and be challenged and feel like I control my own destiny.

I think what Jeremy did to get his 2 year deal with the player option after year 1 is a way to control his destiny, to be nimble when the time comes when the best team, the best coach, the best organization for his situation arrives. This is such a well planned and smart business move, to be flexible so that you have choices/ options when the time comes. I commend him, his agents, and his support team.

He’s grown so savvy in the short but fiery beginning of his career. Trial by fire and tribulation is how he’s been honing his skills in basketball and in business.

Well done!

PS. I love Naruto too!

It’s not Lin that Clifford is failing.

It’s Walker and Batum.

Those guys are STRUGGLING because of Walker’s selfishness and Batum’s skilllessness, and Clifford is NOT COACHING THEM as effectively as they should be coached.

A tougher meaner coach would rip into those two or bench them for struggling like they are, but Clifford’s too weak to SAVE those guys from themselves.

If I were the mean coach that I’d like to be, I’d start Lin at PG and back up Lin with Brian Roberts.

Kemba Walker would be a DNP CD until he decided to start playing teamball especially on defense.

So happy for you that you’ve decided to invest in yourself, to make your dreams a reality. Good luck and wishing you all the best.

Awesome! Well be rooting for u!

Transformed yes but not enough to win rings. I don’t see the logic to joining a team just to pad stats. Look at Melo? No one cares about his offensive abilities, they just talk about him being ringless for the rest of his career.

I never said he’ll ditch. He’ll leave when his rookie contract is up.

Do you think Lin is better than Nash?
Can’t blame Hornets losing since we don’t have MKG and Al.

Let me explain our position:
You want Lin to be in 76ers simply because of stats and bragging rights.
I want Lin to be in a competitive team because of rings.

Having a career with rings is better than a career with stats. I don’t think Lin is better than Nash so I think the maximum unlikely stat line is 20ppg 8apg.

Al was a stat padder? are you for real? He single handedly took a irrelevant team to the NBA Finals. He even won a game against the Lakers that had a perfect playoff record.

Thanks for proofing to me what you know.

Appreciate that!