G17 MIL vs CHA Observations & Notes

Jeremy Lin finished with 7pts/4asts/3rebs/+10 playing 22 min in 87-82 win against Milwaukee Bucks. He played very well facilitating to spark the bench to gain the lead in 2nd quarter as starters trailed again to finish with negative +/- for all games. Batum had very high 9TOs.

Lin was benched with 2:08 left possibly because he hasn’t scored in the 4th quarter (0-2 shooting, 2 rebs) despite playing great defense. It’s best if JLin looked for his shots more throughout the game to earn the trust from coaches that he can be depended to score at end of gamesAs a bench player, he wouldn’t have many minutes to persuade coaches that he will help to secure win at the end of games

After watching the extended highlights by Jun Liu, I got the sense that Lin was in the mode of facilitating today because he wanted to empower his teammates to move the ball. He wanted to “train” his teammates to keep moving-the-ball ala Spurs. He could actually had taken more shots if he wanted to:

  •  [3:34] Lin drove and passed to Frank. He could’ve tried a layup after passing 2 guys. Frank bobbled the pass since he didn’t expect the gift but managed to gather it and lay it in.
  • [6:13] Kemba passed to an open Lin at 3pt line after Lin’s man wanted to double him. Lin could’ve shot a 3 but saw an open lane to drive inside. He could’ve forced a layup against Hawes man trying to cover him but saw Hawes got open. Hawes couldn’t finish this time.

Also, there was growing team camaraderie and Kemba/Lin chemistry

  • [6:31] Lin drove inside drawing his man & Kemba’s guy. He saw Kemba wide-open and returned the favor to pass to Kemba who made them pay with a beautiful 3. Kemba celebrated by low-fiving Lin.
  •  [6:49] Lin drove inside and got fouled. Kemba ran all the way from 3pt line to help him up along with Hansbrough. Frank was also there. This is a real team that cared for JLin

These are textbook Spurs plays to give up Good-Shots for Great-Shots to empower teammates. I can see why JLin chose to build trust in ball movement so his teammates will be ready to receive his pass and finish next time. It takes time to build chemistry and trust. Sometimes it might not be successful but over time, JLin would be successful to instill his brand of play of moving the ball in this young team

As fans, we wanted JLin to score more points but it’s important for us to understand that JLin had a chance to play his game to building an identity to keep-moving-the-ball like the Spurs. It’s not easy and it takes time but he’s willing to do so because it will pay off in the long-term (i.e. playoff). So let’s trust JLin that he knows what he wants to do because he has the liberty to play his brand of basketball.

I wasn’t happy with Coach’s decision in the Cavs game but I have no problem this game because JLin had the freedom to play his brand of basketball. He didn’t take the easy way out to stat-pad for himself but he wanted to build a real team in the long-term. I will fully support his decision to do so. Overall, I see better interior defense and teamwork and improving camaraderie among the Hornets. This will help them to get higher playoff seed in the Eastern Conference

Let’s be patient, fellow JLin fans. JLin knows exactly what he’s doing. He was in control of what he’s trying to do on court. I wish he could score 3 more pts to get more PT but other than that, I respect what he’s trying to do. Oh yeah, Jeremy would need to learn to not over-facilitate that he forgets to score because coaches won’t trust him to be “hot enough” to score by closing out games. This will deprive his teammates of his presence at end of games. So as weird as it sounds, it is “selfish” for Jeremy Lin to over-facilitate and not score enough. I believe he will find a better balance of scoring and facilitating. 10pts/3asts should help his chance to close out games most of the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVOfR6vwll8


MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 18 vs GSW
  • JoeTeam

    ha ha!

  • Maknusia

    ho ho ho

  • he he he

  • Spot

    Ih ih ih

  • JoeTeam

    ok I have to say something to be polite. Just hang in there y’all. It’s the holiday season. I put up the Christmas tree today … a child’s delight looking up at the blinking lights. I remember those times for me too …

  • Maknusia

    oh oh oh

  • Maknusia

    I might be taking an extended leave as well….still in the planning….to to back home before Christmas…at my snow city (MI)

  • awesome! great to be reunited with family

    hope you have a relaxing extended vacation =)

  • Maknusia

    obviously…its gonna be real difficult not logging in here….hahaha….

  • I’m feeling good with JLin’s in-control games.
    He shot 2/3 from 3s with good form in the past 2 games.
    Plus averaging 4assists/1TO (0 in MIL game)

    So I’m being bold to vote 19pts/2a in the GSW game!

    Hopefully it will be a win featuring JLin heroics in OT =)

  • Love Lin

    Good 4 u! The snow season def. has white Xmas atmosphere. But dont forget abt posting Lins pics after going home. 🙂

  • plenty of time once you get home after shoveling that snow in the front yard lol

  • Love Lin

    Some fans think his shooting percentage has been dropping b/c of his hurt of lower back. Not sure he had the support on 4 prortection or some reasons.

  • I’m not sure I see any changes in shooting form indicating lower back issues.
    He still drives fearlessly.

    If he wears back pads, it could be precautionary to prevent backs from tightening up.
    We can’t be 100% but hope he’s healthy

  • I really hope JLin figures it out very soon how to consistently score but still play a team-ball that he loves so he can finish games regularly. I’d say 10pts/2a by Q4 is a good start

    His agent might need to go Jerry McGuire to say, “Help me help you!” LOL
    (refresh for pic)
    http://img.pandawhale.com/75217-help-me-help-you-gif-Imgur-Kjhg.gif

  • occupatio

    so far, no one has talked about what al’s absence is going to do. very possibly, it will move cody to start, and possibly bring in hansbrough to play with lin, along with kam.

    regardless, lin will be playing more with kam for the next few games if al is gone. i think kam works well with lin. he spaces the floor for lin and he knows when to cut.

  • Maknusia

    I hope he drains those 3s….i’m sticking to my norm 18/4…btw…where is the poll?

  • refresh should do it

  • Maknusia

    thx…will definitely try but need to get my VPN going once I’m there

  • It will be good. I hope to see Lin PnR with Hansbrough. Plus kick out to Kemba’s or Frank’s 3s

    Hansbrough looked good to be physical presence out there.

  • Maknusia

    It sure did…..thx

  • occupatio

    hansbrough was awesome tonight. robust offensive rebound and put-back, and fierce rim protection on the other end.

    through these games, i still dont see cody and lin being on the same page. and his inability to space the floor like kam is a big negative.

  • leeda harun

    how about 20 pts/ 4 assist 🙂

  • Maknusia

    grrrr

  • I’m disappointed with Lin/Zeller since I hope to see Lin PnR with Zeller to finish.
    I only remembered 1 time. He’s not a threat like Kam from 3s.

    I think the game is still too fast for Zeller. The hustle is there but his BB IQ is not as high as Kam

  • Spot

    Only way agents could help Jeremy is finding another team. Nets can’t lose games for example and Young got same agent.

  • Maknusia

    btw…you havent replied me on the poll thread

    http://www.jlinportal.com/2015-16-jlin-stats-poll-winners/

  • I haven’t seen JLin gave up on Hornets like he did with Lakers to focus on scoring mode post-ASB.
    So trade scenario is too premature at this juncture IMO

    The irony is JLin would need to score more points if he decides to ask his agent for trade scenario.
    And he needs to up his scoring to close out games consistently in Hornets

  • blubell

    Hairsanity!

  • ok, I just did.
    check it out

  • Spot

    If scenario doesn’t change til the end of the season, we should pray Clippers fall apart, with Paul and Doc gone,and Ballmer, as Harvard member and as seeing what Jeremy is in Asia, get him and D’Antoni.

    It could happen but it would be something like a miracle.

  • Maknusia

    how could we as a Lin fan and supporter desire bad thing to happen on others?! comeon Spot!

  • Very small chance for that scenario since CP3/DeAndre/Blake is still a lot of investment.
    Plus Doc won a ring while MDA hasn’t.

    MDA/JLin reunion is still the best scenario but MDA would need to find a HC job first.
    If God opens the way, it will happen. I wouldn’t worry about it yet, though.

    JLin is still working hard to create a playoff-worthy team now so I can appreciate his effort.
    Let’s hope it gets better soon. If Lin hasn’t given up, I won’t give up yet on the Hornets.
    He knows what’s best for his career

  • Maknusia

    Yes Sir….Jingling Thanks 🙂

  • LinMad

    i’m hoping it won’t be another upset on the coaching side

  • Spot

    No. No bad thing to anyone.

    I think Paul will force a trade to the Knicks. And if Paul goes away, Doc will go too – remember what he did with the Celtics.

  • Maknusia

    hmmmm

  • occupatio

    i agree. cody doesnt have a good feel for playing with lin. the lin-cody pairing has been a disappointment this year.

    the lin-hawes screens only result in lame outside shots for hawes.

  • Steppen03

    Go seek out the Pacers. They don’t have a good 6th man and their starting PG and SG needs help.

  • leeda harun

    Maybe ty lawson end up there.

  • Love Lin

    Yup! He gotta be healthy 4 the rest of games, pray 4 that. 🙂

  • occupatio

    since steve kerr has always undercut lin during game commentary, it would be especially enjoyable if lin plays well against kerr’s team (even if kerr isnt on the floor).

    also, this GSW game is going to get the most viewership of any charlotte game thus far. the downside of that is — like at Madison Square Garden — kemba tends to kemba in situations like this.

  • blubell
  • leeda harun

    i guess lin smile because the opponent players tease him. … the hair again lol

  • Maknusia

    who cares…I just admire his smile and of course his hair ;)….or there are some admires from Bucks as well

  • Michael

    Congrats, haven’t eaten any snow for several years. I miss that.

  • Maknusia

    lol…me too…hahaha

  • Brent Yen

    Hairsanity!

  • Brent Yen
  • Dorothy

    Psalm, I woke up thinking of your post about Lin trying to “train” 2nd unit to play team ball. This Chinese saying came to my mind:
    出師未捷身先死,常使英雄淚滿襟
    If your analysis is accurate, I hope Lin’s persistence pays off eventually.

  • CJSHYY

    When they need the marketing Lin always on… smh!

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Lin is training the 2nd unit… more like the guy to rescue 1st unit when they need it. If not just stand by waiting for the call. Oh! firefighter!!!

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! If not for Kobe, D12 will still in Lakers.

    https://twitter.com/NBAMVP/status/671222750275461120

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Hornets will trade Lin. It’s a long season & they know they do need him.

  • Acbc

    Michael is the sleepy troll and you are th hairy troll, lol

  • Acbc

    Like that think there’s an Asian fool born every minute. Lol. Who’s going to buy one now?

  • CJSHYY

    I know… I never plan to buy anything from Hornets after he signed w them bc I know it’s only one year deal.

  • Acbc

    Did Zeller play 4 years of college? How can anyone not learn fundamental off ball movements? He often runs his own man into the way of Lin’s lanes by not doing the simplest moves to make himself available for an easy outlet pass. Ed Davis was a natural at it with Lin. He read Lin’s mind as to where he needs to position himself for a best outlet. There was on in particular I remember when he literally backed away from the post position a few yards as Lin was driving in and was rewarded for an easy dunk by Lin.

  • Acbc

    Hawes like Hill but at least he steps back for a 3 instead of the long 2.

  • BobbyH

    The whole thing about team-ball is that you need everyone to be willing to do that, from coach to coach, from starter players to bench players. Spurs, and to some degree, ALT and GSW. But Hornets? Just look at when Kemba has the ball in his hands.

    Yes, lip services always do good. But how about all star states? Who care about team-ball if a team needs to pomp up a second-tier player to all star level? Yes, Lin can advocate the team-ball concept and do his things. But NBA is not NCAA. To do that, you need to hold the throne first. Linsanity happened because Lin had the throne. Not now, not in this 2nd tier team. He is not empowered to do have that impact. The wonderful coach doesn’t even care about it. He only cares about defense.

    So, bear with me, Lin. Wake up and fight for your future. Get to the top first before you impose the team-ball concept. You need to be a Lion before you ask all animals in the kingdom to be nice to each other. Or the lion or dragon will be forgotten.

  • TTNN

    Zeller could not finish at the rim as good as Ed. This team has people could not finish well at rim.

  • Phillycheese

    Just watched the whole game. Batum should have been given 10 turnovers. The last one where he bobbled the ball only to give it to Cody as shot clock expired should have been on him instead of team turnover. Lin was on bench and was not happy at all. First time I’ve seen Lin visibly pissed at being taken out and team wins. Usually he is pissed but if team wins he is happy but not tonight. I think it was when Coach took him out, Coach was not happy about something Lin did just before the shot clock violation, even though it was really Batum that messed up.

  • CJSHYY

    I totally agree. Lin’s team ball theory is good but unless he’s #1 in the team that will do it. But not now… Kemba didn’t show he wants to play team ball to me since season started…

  • TTNN

    Hay, just pure speculation, was Lin still work with his old shooting coach Doc? As I have heard couple of people was saying his form changed, and there is picture of him with other shooting coach. Could it be Lin stop working with his shooting coach after Nathan’s interview?

  • kjch

    Care to explain the meaning of the proverb?

  • wu kong

    re-posting stats from last night. ON OFF Off/Def and Net rtg….for last nights game they got real lucky taking JLin out and still getting a win.

  • Phillycheese

    Agreed. Hornets got lucky. Milwaukee tied the game up and Batum hit that big three. Right after that Bucks folded. Got to hand it to Batum for having the guts to take that shot after the awful night he had.

  • Phillycheese

    Lin lost two gimme assists. One which Lamb nochalantly tied to lay it up and got fouled, and the second when Hawes bobbled the little bunny. Even Frank bobbled one of the bunnies but managed to recover.

  • wu kong

    and for the people that want to try to say but but jlin plays with bench and starters with starters…. J Kidd changed up the starting lineup last night… and JLin plays with and against every player ….normal MIL starters higlighted

  • wu kong

    17 game cumulative on off ratings….

  • Maknusia

    shot clock violation falls on the team

  • wu kong

    lineups data 11/29 CHA vs MIL

  • Phillycheese

    I know. But if Batum had not bobbled it and then passed it to Cody at the last minute it would not have been a shot clock violation. And then Coach pulled Lin for what looks like not taking a shot.

  • Dorothy

    It says a general was sent out for a battle, but before he was able to fight for the battle, he was dead already. That always causes heroes cry and wet their clothes. Basically means someone has a very big ambition for good cause, but is not able to carry out and is dead before anything happens.

  • wu kong

    notice that the starters scored more points but were -6 with FG% 33.3!

    starters with Hawes fg% 25!!! and -4

    There is a 3.7 minutes stint with cody zeller in for jefferson… 42.9% fg% 7 points but -3… which has been the case all year with this group score points but the defense is awful so the net is a negative.
    JLin with Williams has best fg% at 50%! scored the most points and +8 so well balanced offense and defense. This is the group that won the game

  • Lemonbar808

    Tried so hard to believe that PJ’s D had improved so much.

    The top 3 D players are on their bench, not to mention the same 3 have the best Net Rating

    Coaching staff wake up @_@

    Numbers Don’t Lie!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lemonbar808

    Glad that Howard took the high road.

  • it is very sad indeed if that happens.
    Hope Lin doesn’t take that route

    I just hope someone in JLin team can tell him to establish himself as a conquering general first (3rd scorer after Kemba/Batum) so whatever he does afterwards (assists/TOs/PFs), noone would really mind.

    That’s how he can lead his team by proving himself on-court as the alpha dog, the pack will follow him.
    I have hope that he can realize this will gain Coach’s trust in him.

  • adele

    Love that proverb. Very wise. Thanks for sharing. A smart warrior needs to adjust strategies to win the war.

  • webattorney

    I looked at that video portion several times. I don’t know if the ball slipped out of Batum’s hand or got knocked out by his defender. The ball seemed to pop towards Cody who caught the ball and had to take a bad shot. Personally, I thought Lin should have taken the shot by driving, stopping and popping. IMO Cliff was telling Lin he has to take the shot rather than pass to someone who is not in good position. Batum was way in the corner and not in good position to shoot.

  • Steppen03

    I agree with you guys.
    But JL7 is not that kind of person and that’s why we fully embraced him. He will fight even if he’s alone. And I support him 100%. If society failed you tomorrow you’ll still be in the grace of his Almighty because you didn’t failed society.

  • 1mtoldman

    charlottes 7 loses are to teams with a collective plus minus point differential of +15

    charlottes 10 wins are against teams with a collective plus minus point differential of -37

    charlottes next 8 games are against teams with a plus minus point differential of +26

  • Brent Yen

    I doubt it

  • BobbyH

    The flaws of this Hornet team will exemplify and we should see who is up to the task.

  • Phillycheese

    Lin fans – there are several trolls lying in wait in the bushes to sow discord. Let’s not allow them to rile up all reasonable fans of Lin. Stay the course. Lin had a good game and the team won. His time will come for individual glory.

  • Phillycheese

    I want to see the Hornets against the good Western conference teams to see where they stand. GSW will be a good test.

  • wu kong

    why is it we all think that JLin can just go in the game and do whatever he pleases?

  • Brent Yen

    Thank you

  • CJSHYY

    This is from Lin’s private Massager last night…(the mind of Lin now…?)

    羅師傅

    11 hrs ·

    籃球不是一場比賽得個三四十分才是才是厲害好嗎,有時在球隊需要你的時候,一個關鍵的籃板,關鍵的助攻,甚至關鍵的罰球都是贏球的保證,效率值才是最重要的~看看湖人跟火箭本季的表現就知道。團隊很重要~很重要!

    Basketball is not a game that gets 30 or 40 to be great. Sometimes the team needs you, a key rebound , key assists , even winning a key free throws are guaranteed to win, the efficiency value is the most important – look at the performance of the Lakers this season & the Rockets know . Team ball is important – very important!

  • wu kong

    There are some questioning our right to be a Lin Only Fan. As if that makes us lessor. I came back to the NBA because of JLin and yes I’ll go back to something else when he leaves. But while he still plays or wants to play I will support him. I will always know he earned his right to play long minutes, to start and to have the trust of teamamtes and coaches. I will always know that he is fighting the battle on the floor and off.

    All I have to contribute is the stat analysis that clearly says Jlin should be playing long minutes. That he has earned it. The mystery is why they are not playing him. Last night was massive luck that they won with the players on the floor. Nothing logical about that choice. Nothing

    I am tired of people saying Lin needs to earn trust or Lin needs to earn minutes. He is way past that. There is more than enough evidence. Yet he sits while others play long minutes.

    NBA corruption is all I can think of. Because Jlin was never part of the ‘System’ from middle school on like so many of these players. Because he is not part of the ‘system’ he is not part of the underbelly of drugs and gambling and prostitutes and all the $$$$ that goes with that. And this I truly believe is a major part of his marginalization from the beginning.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Like when you’re happy when you son has just gotten an D instead of an F? If you or anyone believed Lin is happy recently, you do not know him well yet.

  • wu kong

    down votes and blocking are our friend.

  • Dorothy

    Very true, but do Lin’s coaches, “team leaders” and teammates share the same importance of teamball as Lin?

  • Dorothy

    If they do, coach would not pull Lin out at the last 2 min and so call team leaders and teammates would not ice Lin out.

  • CJSHYY

    No… that’s why they needed to fight so hard to get the won.

  • heart

    My read/analysis line per line of Lin’s thoughts above:
    1. Lin emphasizes team ball. Don’t look at scores. Individual stats/High scoring does not necessarily wins game.
    2. Do small key thing can help win games. Play w/in the game flow efficiently. Take quality shot not high volume.
    3. Ex. Lakers (Kobe)/Rockets(Harden) are not playing team ball. Revolve the game and importance around One-man show will not win games. Teammates will lose interest eventually. No cohesiveness. As a Result: Playing Team Ball is essential to winning games.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin is still fighting for team ball in this team…. I think he’s right about the theory but the reality is not that easy…. Don’t know what to say now…. LONG LONG Season.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hornets are team balling, their type “triangle offense”: Kemba, Batum and Jefferson.

  • heart

    hahaha, true.

  • Dorothy

    LOL, you are funny but there is some truth in it lol

  • heart

    Yep. He’s who he is.

  • NONONO

    Too bad, NBA player’s performance/contributions usually are judged ONLY by his points, assists, TOs.

    Lin’s defense and space creating skills made much more OVERALL contribution for the team than their top scorers. That is why Lin seems always help his lineups to be the best for the team, including the last game – see following the image.

  • CJSHYY

    I know he’s stubborn. He has been fighting for this since Rox to Lakers to Hornets now…. Hope his next team will do it for him.

  • heart

    Yep. Praying for a miracle to take place soon for Lin’s sake.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! That’s why even Lin is very good in D now but since Hornets is such low key team so not many national media care about them…. To most of people, Lin is still bad in D. smh!

  • NONONO

    Sorry for the quality of the image. The data is based on 5 man lineups in the entire games for at least 5 mins playtime. Since Cliff keeps changed the rotations during the game, I can only find these 4 lineups they played at least 5 mins together in the entire game.

  • TTNN

    okay, all I read from this is: Fans, just leave things to Jeremy and don’t give him extra pressure now……. Whatever it is, just let him be….

  • Briiick

    Good work ! Really appreciate it !

  • BobbyH

    What we,as fans, would really eager to know from the massager is Lin’s condition in terms of shooting. Already 1/5 of season gone and still in slump. Back issue?

  • thank you for sharing. Was this on Lin’s weibo account?

    It’s definitely a confirmation that Lin is trying to emphasize team-ball, not prioritizing individual performance, in order to have a long-term success (playoff)

    I hope Lin and coaches see eye-to-eye because it’s important for coaches to understand Lin sacrifices individual stats for the team wins.

    As far as Lin’s teammates, I see Kemba and Lamb trying to pass back to an open Lin so they’re starting to get on board with team-ball.

  • CJSHYY

    No, it’s from 羅師傅 FB.

  • very good question.

    It’s important for coaches to fully support Lin’s effort to develop team-ball philosophy so he won’t get penalized for it

  • CJSHYY

    I think he maybe still have some back issue otherwise 羅師傅will not fly all the way to NC. He’s still w Lin now.

  • CJSHYY

    Not pressure more like that’s what Lin wants &… 羅師傅 said no but….

  • DX

    I was having same thought before, but now It doesn’t matter. It’s totally depend on coach. If it’s a close game, will be same as vs Cleveland.

  • CJSHYY

    I think they still want Lin to be happy but I doubt he will…. bc not everyone is willing to play team ball w Lin…. He will be up & down all season maybe good for one game then next so so again… ?

  • TTNN

    don’t you love that 14-0 run in the 2Q when it was just 2nd team without Kemba and Batum in the line up?

  • NONONO

    We could have had all wrong about Cliff if Lin had some injury which Cliff had to cut his minutes and his shooting was off. I hope and also do not hope that is the case. I rather wish he was healthy. I did not see he kept his head up after winning though.

  • I haven’t watched if Lin was unhappy when benched in the last 2 min.
    There might be some disagreement.

    If true, then I don’t think Lin’s back issue is a serious concern.
    I found the lack of praise in Clifford’s post-game interview can be a sign of concern.

    If it continues, I’ll be really more concerned Lin and Clifford don’t see eye-to-eye of what Lin tried to accomplish with team-ball.

  • NONONO

    You are right. They (including players) never mentioned Lin’s defenses helped team win.

  • wu kong

    no one ever mentions defense unless you flail your arms and make a big show of it like Beverly does. Or injure other payers with your ‘stellar’ defense whether it is effective or not does not matter.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Of course basketball is not but we are talking about the NBA.

  • the funny thing was Clifford actually raved about Lin’s defense for 2 games before (I forgot which) in post-game interviews but not lately

    so something is amiss right now.

  • NONONO

    Yep. When we look the average scores on both sides of the past few games, you can tell it was defense made the differences.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is healthy.

  • NONONO

    Yes. He said Lin was put into close the games for defense (on PG,PnR) reasons.

  • Lin really needs to clarify Clifford’s expectation from him by asking something like,
    “Would you rather me try to over-pass to get my teammates going? Or Score/pass in 2:1 ratio?
    Cover my man? Or help with team D?”

    Basically what will get Clifford to close with Lin to win games

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The bench should be starters and starters should be bench.

  • CJSHYY

    Dragic has bad stats w Heat but they still pay him big money.

    https://twitter.com/CTowersCBS/status/671386689735024640

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    …and he’s still averaged 30mpg.

  • Briiick

    Well said. What fans can do is to expose them.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    The guy making youtube conservative new media needs to read this comment.

  • leeda harun

    He is suppose to be good. They pay him huge contract.

  • CJSHYY

    Just like Lin, he can’t control the O like he did in Sun… most of the time passed the ball to Wade… well, at least he got big money.

  • leeda harun

    Maybe clifford doesnt like someone questioned his gameplan…..he just want every player follow orders or maybe he found out some lin fans called him “cliifraud”…lol

  • CJSHYY

    I think Pete Guelli is going to unfollow Nathan….LOL!

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/671381542963445760

  • NONONO

    I 100% agree with you. BTW, I think Lin’s minutes changed after Lamb’s contract extension (Lin’s minutes went up from avg 22 to 28 ) and after Cliff’contract extension (Lin’s minutes went down from avg 28 to 22). His’s first 3 games was about avg 28 too, he was did well.

  • NONONO

    I think Cliff must ask him stay in the corner and do not move. Otherwise, Lin is aggressive and smart player, he would have kept moving to create best opportunities.

  • CJSHYY

    (Starting) SG for Lin & Lance are the same, stays in 3P corner & waiting for ball to come. But not Batum…

  • NONONO

    Not just Kemba, Batum and Brian would do the same – ignore cornered Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s why Lin is still fighting….

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    Nathan is right. In my opinion, it’s not about Lin being aggressive or not. For those that watch the game, you can hear Clifford constantly yelling plays from the sideline. When you watch closely, you can actually hear him telling the players which side of the court to be on.
    It seems to me that Clifford is always waving Lin to the other side of the floor (The weakside of the play). Kemba runs pick and roll towards the strong side where Batum is standing and then passes to Batum. That’s why we see Lin standing at the 3 point line on the weak side. Seems like he is just following Coaches orders.

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly. That’s the way it’s just like last year. Batum is MKG, Lin is Lance.

  • wu kong

    reminder of Lance comment: ““I was just sitting in the corner. That’s not trying to be a star. A star normally gets the ball.”
    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25336676/lance-stephenson-on-hornets-tenure-i-was-just-sitting-in-the-corner

  • CJSHYY

    I read that… just like Lin now… SG w/o the ball.

  • Briiick

    When Lin was in Rox, I remember Rox was about to host the All Star games and it was so obvious that McHale tried to hype Haren’s stats while marginalizing Lin at the corner. Now it’s Hornets’ turn to host the 2017 All Star and Cliff is taking a page from McHale in my opinion.

  • Michael

    Get out of my bush! Sorry…joking.

  • PETE B

    Omg

  • sws94

    He can make key contributions without getting big stats. I think most of Lin’s fans are out of step with how Lin is viewing himself as an NBA player. And he wants to be with a team that is going in the right direction. Charlotte at least seems that way. So now, I look for more clues to where Lin’s mindset is and really if he’ll want to remain there or move on to something that gives him even more of what he wants. But he needs to define that, not us.

  • heart

    Not seems. He is.

  • sws94

    I would have liked Clifford to say something about how good Lin was. But, was he looking at the 2nd half? I’m not sure, because Lin was the best overall off the bench. Not the best scorer, but the best player overall.

    Like you said, if this happens more than it is something to worry about. But game by game, I don’t know. Also, I listen to Cliff’s pre-game and shootaround stuff too where Lin may be mentioned.

  • heart

    Exactly. I’ve been saying this all along. Lin is following Cliff’s order.

  • heart

    Yep. And people compare Lin’s production to Batum’s. How illogical? One has no freedom and is stifled while other has freedom and free reign.

  • sws94

    See, I think yesterday was a basketball decision. Lin played 10 of 12 4Q minutes and didn’t score. So, maybe when Lin passed up a shot and whipped the ball to someone else or passed up a chance to facilitate, Cliff just went with a shooter for the last 2 minutes. Lin was set to close in that game for sure.

    It’s reminds me of a call-in radio show I was on. There would be like 5 people on the line and so long as the people on the line were active, they stayed on. I called, was active for a long time, but after awhile I was just listening and then I was cut off and someone else was put on. If one member of a team isn’t providing as much to scoring if it is needed, someone else comes on. It may not be anything personal, just a basketball decision. Lin’s defense and threat as a scorer/facilitator still mattered when he was on the court. He just wasn’t scoring.

    But we have to know if that person is Kemba or Batum, they aren’t going anywhere. Anyone else can, including Al Jefferson.

  • that’s why I’m against poking fun at Hornets players & coaches
    It’s so tempting but might be detrimental to Lin since they’re all human

    They shouldn’t care about what fans do but if it becomes the majority, it can make it a different workplace for JLin

    Just trying to put Lin’s best interest first by simply stating the facts that he helped teams win even without much recognition. @wukong:disqus stats will be very helpful

  • sws94

    Terrible and I’m glad this forum doesn’t allow that. I think its silly.

  • sws94

    Cliff said from the outside Lin can play the 1 or the 2 and he loves that flexibility. Now Lin has to figure out what Clifford wants. I don’t think it is him standing in the corner. Lance and Lin have totally different mindsets. I don’t think Lance is a great team mate like Lin is. Lin does what it takes from a team standpoint, Lance wants to be a star.

    Let’s remember back to the game Lin started. He had cuts and made 2 baskets under the rim after cutting. He also went to facilitate several times. He looked integrated in the offense. The team built a big lead. This all fell apart in the 2nd half. But Clifford said the players did well in the 1st half and didn’t execute the offense in the 2nd half. That suggests to me that he wants movement and nobody just standing in a corner. That position should alternate with players and guys should move and cut when the defenses open up. Kemba also goes to the corner. But he moves out of it quickly. So does Batum.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    JLin playing the decoy role. After 20 games opponents will know that. So defenders can abandon marking Lin and simply double on Batman and Robin.

  • sws94

    I agree. His time will come. I think more Jan than December though more chances may come in December.

  • After 7-3 record in last 10 games, Hornets has risen to #9 in CBS Power Rank.
    Winning is important. Could be 8-2 if JLin closed out Cavs game IMO
    But it’s okay. Let’s hope JLin shine in the GSW game.

    https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/671337201825902594

    Charlotte is 7-3 in their last 10, and now sit fifth in offense, 11th in defense. Every player is in a role that plays to their strengths, and their defensive communication is terrific. They are also a top-five must-watch on League Pass right now. Have I mentioned how many good coaches there are in the league right now?

  • NONONO

    You are properly right. Cliff must tell Lin it is good for the team (by making starters stats look better )

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Nice logic. LOL

  • sws94

    wu, I came back to the NBA because of Lin too. Saying Lin needs to earn his play comes from an NBA standpoint, not what I individually believe. I think Lin is a winner, brings out the best in other players, just like your stats support. I just know that the NBA coaches as they are, and with all of the competition Lin faces as a PG in the league, and the depth of Charlotte, he once again has to prove himself. And, of course, there’s the outside stuff of Lin being who he is. I understand your frustration, and your frustration with me.

    The thing is, the parameters are what they are. I’m just trying to figure out a way for Lin to shine with the very real constraints he has on him.

  • wu kong

    yes. That JLin stint he played against all of the MIL players. j kidd tried throwing everything including the kitchen sink and they held their ground.

  • NONONO

    Lin led tanking Lakers beat GSW latest year at home. 115-105 in 23, Dec. (Kobe did not play)

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I think it’s useful to review JLin’s pre-season interview with QQ sports. I edited it to include only the most relevant portions.
    English translation (provided by @kittyhead,minor edits by @realdsb):

    QQ Sports: Why did you chose the Hornets among those teams?

    Lin: I think the most important reason is Coach Clifford likes me a lot. He has been thinking for a long time how he will
    use me, and their system in the new season is one reason included. They will play faster and more PNRs. The most important reason is the coach wants me and likes me. Second, I really don’t have too many options. I know many fans, including myself, thought I would go to the Mavs, but they did not have much interest in me at the end. The Mavs also had the chance to sign me. That was not to say they had no interest in me. They were interested too, but then my matter and DeAndre Jordan’s clashed. They put all their energy in which team DeAndre would choose for the next season. Thus they didn’t show as much interest as the Hornets in me.

    QQ Sports: Did Coach Clifford ever say anything to let you feel the Hornets is your team or how you could help them?

    Lin: First, the coach knows basketball very well, and he also likes the way I play. After the end of the last season, Clifford had already told everyone he wanted two players, one is me and I can’t tell you who the other one is because they didn’t get him. He likes me a lot and watched many clips of me. He knows clearly how I like to play. He and I talked for 2 or 3 times on the phone, about 2 or 3 hours total. When I joined the Hornets, he and I had dinner together. We talked for another 2 hours, so altogether we’ve talked for about 5 hours. He will come to CA to watch my training in August, and then we will eat and talk again. He really likes me a lot, so I appreciate it so much and I feel this is a great choice.

    QQ Sports: Did Clifford talk with you about whether you will start or come off the bench because Kemba plays at the
    starting 1, and seems like you will be at 1 or 2? Are there definitive answers to those questions already?

    Lin: He said if I was asking him now, then I would come off the bench, But he emphasized if I play well and the team needs me to start, then he wouldn’t limit me to a bench player. The coach also said he will let me play with Kemba for a long time and even if I don’t play well in Charlotte, he will give me a lot of room to play with mistakes.

    QQ Sports: Actually you could play at 1 and 2. You could play at 2 off the ball with Kemba and play at 1 while Kemba
    sits. Fans all know you are good at playing PNRs with the inside men. Now the Hornets have many big guys who could play PNRs. Does this help you make the decision?

    Lin: When the coach said we will play more PNRs next season, I asked him why they didn’t play much last season. He told me to look at the players they got this year. Most of them are good at shooting 3s. When the shooting is great, that will create a lot of space, leading to more PNRs. The Hornets said they need 2 players who are great at PNRs, one is Kemba and I can play PNRs with him when we are on court together.

    QQ Sports: Recently there’s news saying you thought Lakers and Rockets aren’t suitable for you. Then why do you think you will fit better on the Hornets than the two?

    Lin: I think the Rockets system is suitable for me but they have Harden. Although he plays at 2, he handles the ball for most time and I just go find the corner, hoping he would pass me the ball to shoot 3s. I had improvement here but that’s not the way I want to play. The Lakers system isn’t fast. But I feel it’s more important that coaches have to like me and know how to use me. Then by talking on the phone, I think Coach Clifford really understands me, and he will play faster and many PNRs.

  • wu kong

    this to me is confirmation that players are in fact told to stand in the corner by the coach. So people saying Lin just needs to move… need to take this information and s]chew on it a bit. I think JLin naturally moves without the ball. But it is obvious he goes to the 3 point line as told and so does Williams. as did Lance last year.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Do you remember who from GSW DNP in that game?

  • NONONO

    NONE. Surprised?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    It maybe Curry and Thomson had an off shooting night.

  • wu kong

    also FYI he has a 50% 3P% from the corner…on assisted 3 point plays so him being there is fine if the others would pass to him. and that does in fact make him a great decoy for others on the floor.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01.html#all_totals

  • NONONO

    Curry did fine with 10/14, But Lakers played good D (without Kobe) and forced Curry 7 TOs.

  • Good reminder on Lin’s talking points with Clifford.

    They need to clarify:
    1. What’s the definition of JLin playing well?
    14pts/3a in SAC win focusing on offense OR 7pts/4asts focusing on defense & ball movement (rebounds & team help D)
    2. Has Lin been given a lot of room to play with mistakes (even if he doesn’t play well)?
    Early season yes, now not so much

    IMO there’s a disconnect between Lin and Clifford lately so they need to talk

  • NONONO

    I wonder Cliff would say, “it is business”.

  • PETE B

    RLF REASONABLE LIN FANS

  • Cliff usually isn’t like Morey

    My intelligent guess at the moment is different expectations.
    – Lin focuses more on orchestrating offense & instilling ball movement for long-term vs
    – Clifford wants Lin to shoot more, limit TOs, etc.

    But this is just speculation on Cliff’s part at best; we know what Lin tries to do with team-ball now.
    We haven’t heard from Cliff on what he wants Lin to do.
    Both are smart; they’ll figure things out soon IMO

  • wu kong

    I’ll try to keep the info coming

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Excellent!!!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Most if not all credits should go to the Hornets bench.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    and almost their very next match up after that.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I imagine they do talk on a regular basis with Cliff telling Lin what he wants. But it seems like there is an endless list of possible pretexts for benching Lin:

    he was too aggressive and had 2 turnovers or he wasn’t aggressive enough
    he didn’t defend well enough or he defended well but he had 2 fouls,
    he isn’t shooting enough and facilitating too much or he’s shooting too much and not facilitating enough

    Not only does Lin have to play perfectly, but he has to play like Goldilocks: not too hot, not too cold.

    Bottom line is Lin helps the team win so why does Cliff have to be so picky with him while Batum’s 10 turnovers don’t faze him? This is not what Lin gave a discount for.

  • sws94

    I’m glad you find Clifford reasonable. I do as well. I think if ever there is a coach Lin can talk to it’s Clifford. BS would just say I’m in charge and I don’t need to talk to anyone but Kobe. McHale would go he’s a good kid and needs to be put in his place as a basketball player. This guy is much better.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    My intelligent guess would be Cliff did keep his words by allowing Lin to play his game in the preseason. He didn’t promise Lin how long would it last. SMH.

    After Lin signed, there’s no need to hear from Cliff for what he wants Lin to do. We can tell what those are by just watching the actual action.

  • heart

    Summary of Lin’s Key Points Decisions for Signing w/ Hornets from the above interview:
    1. Faster pace,
    2. Play more PnRs,
    3. Allow to play through mistakes
    4. Not stand in corner 3
    5. Not confined to bench role, potential starting role
    6. Control the ball to make plays-> PG role –> PnRs
    7. Pair w/Kemba a ‘Long Time’-> Alternate Role PG –>PnRs
    8. Coach understands Lin’s game
    9. Coach wants and likes Lin
    10. Utilizes Lin properly in new system–> Consistent/Bigger Minutes and Role

    Result Promise Delivery: Not happening as promised.

  • sws94

    And concluding anything still is like saying you know the course of the book in the 2nd chapter. There’s a lot more book to read.

    I still think Lin playing a lot with Kemba is what Cliff wanted. He just didn’t get the results. And there aren’t a lot of PnR players on Charlotte. Otherwise there would be more of them. And Cliff is always yelling go, go, go so he does want the offense to move faster (when Al isn’t on the floor).

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    Cliffords statement in a couple post game interviews says it all:
    “I was looking for a reason to put Lamb back in the game.”
    Clifford is constantly looking for reasons to play Lamb over Lin. What that means is, Lin only gets play time when he is playing extremely well.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is good for some easily to understand.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    In the fantasy world, writer would write things to really surprise readers. In reality, you know the villain from the first chapter.

  • David Kim

    Which coach gives more freedom in offense for Lin among Dantoni, Mchale, Scott and Clifford?

    Freedom wise:
    I think dantoni > Mchale > Scott > Clifford

    Clifford keeps saying to Lin to do something in almost every sets of offense.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Turnovers / game this season.

    JLin: 1.8
    Batum: 3.3
    Walker:2.1

    Of course Lin plays less minutes but he also passes a lot more. JLin’s TO’s seem to be magnified. Many of the biggest stars have lots of turnovers but they help their team win. It’s not fair to make Lin feel he has to play error free. He specifically asked to be allowed to play through mistakes. On the Spurs, I noticed that Pop will also bench someone for making a mistake. But he puts him back in a few minutes later. It’s like OK sit for minute, take a breather, think about your mistake, but know you’ll get another chance in a few minutes. Lin loses all his PT for a couple of mistakes AND the team goes on to lose if the opponent is any good.

  • JoeTeam

    Agree on 8-2.

  • JoeTeam

    It’s crazy to me now people think JLin purposely plays bad basketball. You got it right sister!

    And then it is still crazy to me that FO would chose strategies in-game that clearly even to the amateur would lose, like 5 mins left on CLE game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If Scott wanted to win instead of tanking, he would be far better than Clifford. Plus those 3 previous teams all had mega stars: Melo, Harden and Kobe….sorry to Batum and Walker but no comparison.

  • pandaboy99

    From what I saw, Clifford pulled lin because the last few plays he was passing up open shots causing late clock shots from his teammates

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Half of his TOs were from bias offensive fouls.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He must have been told not to shoot too many, pass to others to shoot.

  • Briiick

    Lin has been marginalized the most after he showed Linsanity in the OT win, not after a loss like the one caused by Walker’s hero ball in MSG. This is a solid evidence that his marginalization is due to professional jealousy. Whose professional jealousy is so powerful that it is able to change Cliff’s lineup ? The answer is apparent.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s just a dream list from history…. smh! I didn’t see Cliff do anything now.

  • sws94

    Come on. You always answer with stuff like this. Whatever. I’ll let it play out and you know what’s going to happen. Fine.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    That’s a very long and comprehensive list of expectations that Lin had coming into this season. And he’s not getting any of them. But incredibly, there are two more really essential issues that Lin did not even bother to clarify with Cliff (or at least he didn’t mention in the interview):

    1) minutes: I bet Lin expected to average at least 30
    2) close games: Lin has said that starting is important but closing is even more important.

  • “Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you will know how to answer everybody.”

    – Colossians 4:5-6

  • sws94

    OK, fair enough. Maybe that’s why.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lin was very naive and really needs a better agent to help guide him. That’s what a good agent needs to do. Bought this bait and switch job.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin is doing this again which he doesn’t like…. smh!

    I just go find the corner, hoping he would pass me the ball to shoot 3s. I had improvement here but that’s not the way I want to play.

  • heart

    Yep. Cliff must have given him the assurance that he will do what Lin and him talked about. You notice that Lin has not brought these points up again bc he knows that they are not being fulfilled.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think he listen to his agent at all…

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    There is an endless list of possible pretexts for benching Lin. How about just call a timeout and tell Lin to avoid getting so late in the clock?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I’m with you 100% if you simply hope things will change and get better, but please if you or anyone are bending backward to defend or to justify what Cliff has done to Lin’s roles, expect my challenges.

  • heart

    I believe I had heard him talk about these in other press interviews. I precisely remembered in one interview he mentioned about finishing game is important. Now we have to do detective work and research on those articles and interviews.

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    Right before they cut to commercial, you could see Clifford clearly unhappy with Lin talking to him on the side. Even if that were the case, Clifford has promised Lin that he would let Lin play through his mistakes. Obviously Clifford lets Lamb, Batum, Kemba play through theirs. Unfortunately, Lin is treated differently.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Not just that… from his NY Post interview, he even didn’t say he picked Hornets bc of coach anymore… I think he’s not happy but ….

  • sws94

    I’m not anti-Cliff at this point. I’m trying to see where he’s going with the team and fitting Lin in. I’m not an LOF, I understand the context of Lin on this team and why at times Clifford may go away from him EVEN IF I don’t agree with Clifford.

    But this thing where you absolutely know what’s going to happen and how things will pan out is just your taking that position and not moving away. I don’t know how things will pan out at all. I see positives and negatives, and I’m still observing. And I’m not moving away from that and I think any conclusions about Lin and Charlotte are premature at this stage.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    For sure these are all important issues to Lin, but did Lin pin Cliff down and say, I’ll sign with your team for a discount, but it’s on condition of 1,2,3, etc. Or did Lin just shake on it thinking, if I work hard and play well this coach will treat me fairly because he seems like a great guy?

  • pandaboy99

    Well Clifford and lin were definitely discussing something before he sat

  • heart

    Remember, Cliff presented himself as an honest, intelligent and fair guy. Lin mentioned he verified w/Coach Silas and probably w/Cho too before signing. Cho knew he got a bargain and flew out immediately to get Lin’s signature once Lin gave the nod. Cho didn’t want Lin to change his mind overnight.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I was a big Cliff supporter even when he started PJ. Now I had enough. “Fool me once …..”.

    This is an exclusive Lin fan site, if anyone using baseless evidence to defend the very person holding back Lin success, that person will meet challenges. All due respect, even the Mods.

  • heart

    Definitely. Remember how happy and jovial he was talking about Cliff and Silas in his interview before the season began. Anytime when you hear Lin alludes to something, be alert and attentive about it. He will say it straight out if he’s happy but only alludes to something if he’s unhappy. And what he says has truth in it.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I posted before that “Lin was taken for a fool.” But, I’d like clarify that. I think it’s quite possible that Lin had no other alternatives at that point. Yes, there were “8 or 9 teams” that expressed interest in him, but only a subset of those 9 teams were suitable. For example, Lin probably ruled out a return to the Lakers or the Warriors for such a small role, and he probably ruled out the Nets and Sixers for being such bad teams. So besides the Mavs and Hornets, there were only about 3 other possible suitors such as the Bulls, the Grizzlies and the Spurs. But here’s where things got screwed up. DJ agreed to sign with the Mavs right away. LMA then signed with the Spurs which took the Spurs off the list. Lin then started to negotiate with the Mavs as reported by Woj. At that point, it seems like JLin was off the table so the Bulls, Grizzlies, etc. moved on to their second choices. By the time DJ flip-flopped (a week later) and ruined the Mavs possibility, Lin’s viable alternatives were already taken. Then suddenly the Hornets approached him saying all the right things. Being a religious man, Lin saw this as the “unexpected route he should take.” But he may not have had a better choice at that point.

  • David Kim

    What will happen if Lin shoot better like preseason games?
    May be:
    1) more minutes
    2) close 4th qt
    3) get more passes from teammates

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Maybe if 1-3 happened Lin would shoot a lot better like preseason games? 😉

  • For now, I would still put Clifford still at #2 behind D’Antoni because he gave JLin chances to be the hero in the SAC OT and Knicks win despite limited min.

    In McHale’s & BScott’s era, there is no way JLin would be given the chances to be the hero in the SAC OT win to score 7pts out of 15pts. George Karl even said, “JLin busted us”

    I would never forget what McHale and BScott did to JLin’s career:
    – Never praised Lin’s contribution to wins or on defense
    – Downplay Lin’s ability in Linsanity as a meteoric phenomenon
    – HOU teammates left a fallen JLin by himself (even the so-called BF Parsons). At least CHa teammates quickly helped him up
    – JLin said LA season was the worst time he played basketball. He hasn’t said so in Charlotte
    – Drexler & cos always picked on JLin on his mistakes, never praised him

    I’m not sure why some Lin fans quickly minimized some opportunities that Lin had so far to shine in Charlotte, that he would never got in HOU and LA. Perhaps people quickly forget the bad things in HOU and LA.

    I guess we can be so concerned with the negatives that it overwhelmed the positives.

    As long as JLin hasn’t given up on Hornets, there’s still hope.

  • CJSHYY

    I think if not for Hornets Lin will back to Lakers bc in Taiwan he said he has to wait for L. Aldridge to settle down before he made the decision… After Aldridge turned down Lakers, Lin starts the talk w teams.

  • heart

    Cliff had said many times before in post games he had tried to insert Lamb in the final minutes of previous games. I believe Cliff used that excuse as an opportunity to insert Lamb in last night’s game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    His roles need to be like in the preseason games first.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I’m saying he waited for LMA because the Spurs were tying to get LMA. If LMA chose another team, Spurs would have had cap space for Lin. Ginobili not retiring may have also played a role. Spurs were probably Lin’s first choice even ahead of the Mavs. Of course I’m just speculating, but this is the best fit explanation to everything we saw reported during the FA period.

    And c’mon CJ, have you seen the state of the Lakers with Kobe and BS this season? All the players are being tormented. Why would you think Lin wanted to return to that.

  • David Kim

    i am not talking here who is better coach for lin. I agree with you that Clifford is no 2 coach for Lin. i am still optimistic lin will do well in hornets.
    i am just talking about freedom in offense.

  • Spot

    Good reminder:

    1) if I play well I’ll start. FALSE. After first great games Clifford chosed Hairston despite MKG is injuried.

    2) I will play thru mistakes. FALSE. Too many TO, you’re out.

    3) I will play with Kemba. FALSE. They barely play together.

    4) I will run PNR. FALSE. They run a kind of motion offence.

    5) We will play faster. FALSE again.

    That is why Coach Clifford is a LIAR.

  • Spot

    3rd behind McHale. McHale had Harden and Howard, Clifford got Kemba and Al.

  • JLin definitely made the best decision at the time since Clifford was the only coach who would spend considerable time to understand his game & how to utilize him the best.

    So far Clifford still gave chances for Lin to shine as the hero in the SAC OT win (7 out of 15 OT pts) and Knicks game despite the short leash and limited min. And JLin himself hasn’t given up yet on Hornets to play team-ball.

    IMO the jury is still out on Hornets. If it’s true that Clifford benched Lin because he wanted Lin to score instead of over-passing, that would be ironic =)

    I see Lin and Clifford would still need to work out their misunderstanding and the expectations, which is normal.
    As long as Clifford doesn’t throw Lin under the bus like McHale or DNP him without reason like BScott did, I would be patient. The only unfair game that I objected was the CLE game costing Hornets the win.

  • CJSHYY

    I think only Lakers & Rox will offer him the starting job, the rest all for backup & more than 1 year. But Rox changed their mind …. that’s why Cliff’s talk really got Lin. Plus I think he didn’t like BS…. I guess Lin will back to Lakers next year. Lots of fans don’t like it but …. We will know next summer.

  • sws94

    He played mostly off the ball in preseason. He shot well in preseason and didn’t play that much with Kemba.

    And Lin closes the 4th quarter more than any other player off of the bench.

  • I would still put Clifford at #2

    Lin had no freedom in LA since they designated Kobe and Jordan Clarkson as the PG, never to outshine them.

    Lin was the off-guard waiting in corner if Harden passed the ball to him. Lin only had the reign to be PG during Spurs and 76ers 38pt game.

    Even yesterday, Lin was free to play his game but he just chose to facilitate than scoring. I would consider a possibility that Clifford wanted Lin to score rather than over-pass

  • CJSHYY

    I think Cliff didn’t like Lin’s too passive bc they were only won by 2…. Someone said Cliff looked like “fatherly” to Lin w that talk before he pulled Lin out?!

  • Acbc

    I don’t know what Lin thinks, I can only guess. IMO, Lin is doing what a good Christian would do. Selfishness and greed is the defining zeitgeist of our times. Since the fall of communism, we’ve been gloating like a bunch spring break kids with way too much testosterone about the might of capitalism. We’ve gone way over to the other side of winners to a bunch of losers grabbing everything in site because capitalism is right. We have now a situation where 1% of the capitalists own more than the 99% of “loooosers” as Trump would love to say.

    Lin is taking a stand against selfishness and greed on the basketball court. He’s trying to show us that the “rising tide shall raise ALL ships”. A lot of people want Lin to be selfish like everyone else on the team. Clearly, Lin isn’t interested in choosing the Machiavellian “the end justifies the means” approach. Lin is making a stand as a man of conscience and a man of faith that righteousness can’t be trade for convenience.

  • PPP

    Has not been posting quite some times since i have been extremely disappointed the way lin had been treated. Not just the minutes but also how he was used when he was on the court.

    Anyway, saw a couple of posts in a Chinese (prolly from Taiwan) fan forum saying that Kidd approached lin during the half time and talking to his ears. Did anyone see that? I cant find it myself.

    I feel that Kidd likes Lin’s game especially after the 2Q that lin brought the team from 6 pts down to a double digit lead before Kemba came back.

  • sws94

    I think you’re baseless and you just go on and on about the future. Nobody knows the future and I don’t think you really know what is going on with Clifford either rather than this small amount of data. I don’t go on small samples, I think conclusions based on small samples is foolhardy. I support Lin by hoping he plays his best in any system and any constraints, because they are there. And I think he has plenty of chances from what I’ve seen in Charlotte. I never said Charlotte is ideal.

  • CJSHYY

    Really? I didn’t see it.

  • NONONO

    I know Kidd likes Lin and respects Lin as good PG.

  • sws94

    I don’t think the problem was the first half. Lin was decisive in both shooting and facilitating and defensively. He went out due to Cliff’s strong 2 fouls and you don’t play the rest of the half. Otherwise, I think he would have played to the half.

    The second half he played more with Kemba than usual and it through him off. I think that’s where there was something LIn wasn’t doing and that’s probably scoring or being more decisive when he got the ball. I’m just guessing.

    I put LIn at 2 also. All NBA teams play system basketball, and Lin is in charge of the 2nd unit. In the first unit, well, I think they are still feeling that out.

  • CJSHYY

    I just check LP video. No, after 1st half end, Lin walked to locker room right after that… don’t see him walk to court & talk to Kidd at all.

  • TTNN

    remember Kidd thought he was going to NYK to mentor Lin, and then NYK did not match Lin’s contract, and Kidd got a DUI?

    Not saying Kidd likes Lin that much, but would not be surprised that they had enough talk there. I always thought it was Kidd’s dirty move hurted Lin’s knee, though Kidd might not intentionally trying to hurt Lin.

    Bulks got all down hill after Kidd got MCW, LOL.

  • Spot

    They’re without PG. They could trade MCW for Jeremy.

  • TTNN

    I don’t think Hornets will take MCW.

  • Spot

    Yep. Sixers fooled Kidd with MCW 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No. He closed games mostly with Roberts or Lamb. When stats don’t matter, lots of ball moment by Batum and Kemba. When he’s sub in, Kemba out then later they closed game together or sometime Kemba didn’t even play in the 4Q. Lin was freed to play his styles exclusively.

  • Spot

    He’s tall 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Copy and paste on what I said I know the future. I always stay with the present and reality basing on recent action.

    You can hope and wish and it might happen. Just allow the people who comment base on what’s happening.

  • PPP

    I rewatched both bucks feed and charlotte feed, csnt see anything.

  • FreetheMind

    At this rate, the only way I can see Lin get more minutes is if Kemba is hurt. Other than that, Clifford gonna ride his contract players and that’s just too bad. Lin is being underused and it is showing on his stats. I hope he will land somewhere better next year as a starter. That’s the only way he will get more minutes.

  • PPP

    “可見基德教練都知道林書豪帶的第二隊不容小覷,相信其它明眼人也都知道了,克總會不知道嗎?有趣的一段畫面是在第二節打完後,中場時基德還跑去跟林書豪聊天,留些想像的空間。”

    http://www.isay.tw/2015/11/JeremyLinStroy8150/

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You are probably right that Lin made the best decision he could with the information he had available. I’m suggesting he may not have had a choice. But for example, if he could have chosen the Bulls instead of the Hornets, then the jury is still out on whether he made the right choice.

    psalm, you always look on the bright side and stay positive. I appreciate that. I’ve always been optimistic too. I expect a return of Linsanity at some point. But I’m also very interested in figuring out what’s going on behind the scenes (as you are too.) And I agree that Lin’s situation is not that bad. No team can make the playoffs without a competent backup PG. This gives Lin some leverage. If any team has an injury to one of their PGs before the trade deadline then Lin will be a hot commodity. If Kemba, Batum, Lamb or Hairston need to miss a block of games then Lin’s role will become much greater. So I’m not panicking either but I am very disappointed that the season is not going like we all hoped.

  • PPP

    At least a chance to join the Bucks next summer.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    He’ll also get more minutes if Lamb, Batum, or Hairston need to sit out some games.

  • 1mtoldman

    have you read the reports of the stunned locker room stories of brandon knight being traded. they didn’t beleive it, they thought it was a joke. that was the beginning of the end for bucks.

  • 1mtoldman

    also as lin has a sporty hair style.

  • TTNN

    yeah, I don’t understand their trade for MCW, and I don’t understand Priston trade for Raggie Jackson. They kind of under value locker room chemistry there, but anyway, fun to see the drama develop.

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. Lin just walked back to lockers room after 2Q end.

  • PPP

    They made the trade bc Knight will be a RFA and they figured that they canT match any offer that other teams will make, hope i remembered cirrectly.

  • sws94

    It’s funny, I don’t really consider the last game a benching. He played 10 out of 12 4Q minutes. I guess it is a benching because he had words with Lin and then sat him. So, whatever it was, he expressed it to Lin. And now Lin knows.

    I like your practical tone. I also think the jury is out. And I’m hoping for the best. I’m really getting tired of team jumping but am glad he’s no longer a part of the dysfunctional Lakers or Rockets. This team seems healthier.

  • sws94

    I’m going bigger picture. I don’t go so much game to game to say this is where Lin stands. We don’t know yet, juries out. I’m taking a similar approach to psalm234.

  • 1mtoldman

    well that may be part of the reasoning on the fo but knight and the other team members were shocked. didn’t beleive it. there was a long piece recently somewhere in sports journalist articles lately about the events as they transpired.

    they thought it was a joke; had been kidding around about it. its a good piece provides some insider info and directly from quotes from players themselves.

    that was the point i was trying to make, that at the time regardless of fo financial reasoning both knight and the rest of the players were caught entirely off guard and didn’t believe it. didn’t expect it, etc.

  • 1mtoldman

    jackson was viewed as a complainer in okc, he got his chance in det.
    isiah thomas was viewed as too small but now he got his chance in boston
    lin…well i guess its hard to get yer chance if you…..got spikey hair.

  • Briiick

    WOW, Cliff should be impressed.

  • PPP

    Never say never in the nba.

  • Joe what do you know

    I guess this is what KHuang kept saying, there were only ever 2 teams that are “interested” enough to dangle a drafted contract in front of Lin’d face. So yeah, KHuang was right in saying so. It’s just the interpretation of “interested” is vastly different between him and some other angry Lin fans.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    so pathetic playing as an elite backup to so many….

  • occupatio

    many ppl fantasizing about lin going to another team. but i think every team will have a lamb, a beverley, a ronnie price, who will compete with lin’s minutes, regardless of skill level. that probably will never change. the grass is greener on the other side, but there’s that head of the snake…

  • yes, I also agree with your healthy take on the current season. It’s not ideal so far but there were some highs and a few bumps at the moment.

    Yes, it’s a long season. JLin will be ready to step up if his number is called.
    The best scenario is if the team can gel (#6 is great at he moment) to make a deep playoff run because Lin’s market value will increase with clutch playoff performance. It’s one-year deal at the moment so Lin needs to maximize the outcome of Hornets season to the highest potential.

    I’m sure JLin wanted to go pass the 1st round of the playoff to make a splash. It will be good for him and the Hornets. I highly respect JLin’s spirit to keep surviving no matter how turbulent the circumstance can be. This Hornets season is much better than HOU and Lakers for sure =)

    Not having to listen to Drexler and McHale has been good for my blood pressure lol
    Throw in BScott folded arms

  • blubell

    A snake in the grass.

  • occupatio

    yes, thats the stock phrase, but i wasnt implying that they are evil. its just a reference to byron scott’s ‘head of the snake’

  • blubell

    I know what you meant. I just had to say it. lol.

  • occupatio

    lol

  • DX

    Do you think Lamb, Beverley, Price is better than Lin? The problem isn’t these players. Lin can compete with them, no problem. The problem is the coach and GM.

  • yes, Hornets chemistry is definitely healthier than HOU and LAL

    Let’s hope Lin hits his stride soon. His shooting has been quite good in the past 2 games; he just needs to shoot more

  • occupatio

    certainly i dont think they are better. but this pattern is evident and it is recurring. to assume that the next team will be the exception to the pattern is probably foolish

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Going to another team may not be a bad thing. from GSW, NYK, HOU, LAL – he has played with over 60 players by now. just saying….

  • DX

    Yes, it’s definitely hard to find the right team. Not only for Lin, also for most NBA player. Maybe spent years to locate a right place.

  • David Kim

    http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/10790/20140709/jeremy-lin-news-jeremy-lin-trade-jeremy-lin-stats.htm

    This is old article before Lin gets trade to lakers.
    Lin to bucks will be a good choice if Lin decides to leave next year.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    So if you dated 3 girls and didn’t like any of them would you still pick one to marry or would you keep looking for a better one?

  • CJSHYY

    looking for a better one

  • David Kim

    MCW on benching: ‘I wouldn’t start me either’: Michael Carter-Williams said he wasn’t surprised at being benched Sunday, after he worked with the second team in practice on Saturday. But the Milwaukee Bucks point guard wasn’t necessarily happy about it, even though he understood coach Jason Kidd’s reasoning. — Journal Sentinel

  • blubell

    JLin is still trying to make it work with this current one?

  • sws94

    Exactly. Lin will have to deal with the stuff going on with any team he’s on and just play to the best of his abilities. I don’t even think if he were to play with MDA again it would be the same.

  • occupatio

    clifford’s pitch to lin before he signed is as good as anyone can possibly imagine. to follow your dating analogy, it can look perfect from the outside, but everyone is human and flawed in some way, and things are complicated. at some point, you just have to be here, be in the now, and make it work .

  • sws94

    Hornets are using Lin on a cybermonday advert tweet. There’s still a lot of Lin promotion in their marketing.

  • occupatio

    dont tell Dorothy. she will be very upset.

  • kjch

    Yup, I agree. I tend to believe that Lin made the best decision he could at the time. In poker, you can make the right decision but still lose the hand. It’s important not to confuse the right decision with the individual outcome. Just because you have a negative outcome doesn’t necessarily mean you made the wrong decision and vice versa. I guess my point is people shouldn’t jump to conclusions about Lin’s decision making skills just because the current situation hasn’t worked out as planned… Lin is extremely smart, he most likely made the best decision given the information available. Anyway, I’m still sort of optimistic, I’ll be patient for a few more games and see how things go………

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    That’s why you shouldn’t move in or go to Vegas after the first date. But I think coaches such as MDA, Karl, Carlisle, or Stevens would be much better for Lin. Cliff looked good in preseason but right now…

  • CJSHYY

    Lin is the best cyber marketing tool from Hornets of course they will use him but I am not RT this one for them. Also not buy anything from Hornets either.

  • blubell

    He didn’t move in. He got second year player option.

  • sws94
  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Yep, I would even prefer that Lamb start and Hairston’s minutes be given to Lin.

  • sws94

    I know. I don’t think she’s a big fan of mine but maybe she’ll see this.

  • webattorney

    Posters here may be interested in the below observation of Lin’s shooting motion from someone who attended the Hornets vs. Cavs game and observed his shooting motion closely during both the game and shooting practice. I found it easy to understand and convincing. The poster seemed pretty knowledgeable about BB shooting motion.

    “On Saturday evening, I wrote a post on the Cavs-Hornets game that I
    attended the previous evening. I mentioned that JLin did not shoot well
    from 3-point range in either pre-game or 2nd half warm-ups and I said
    that the good news is that pressure is not affecting his shot — it is
    his mechanics. I also said that I was surprised that his shooting coach
    has not worked on some of these mechanical flaws. Webattorney asked me
    what I saw of his shot that was not mechanically correct, so this is
    for you webattorney (I’m not a shooting coach but I do know a little
    about fundamentals):

    1) Despite the fact that he has held the ball
    in this manner his whole career, JLin keeps his fingers and his thumb
    too closely together and because of that, the ball rests on the lower
    part of his hand too much. The pinky and thumb give the ball balance
    and stability, so if they are not spread, the ball will not be balanced
    correctly. Also, if the fingers are not spread adequately, the ball
    will lie more across the palm and also on the lower, fleshy part of the
    hand. Because the ball is not balanced and is resting on the palm, it
    will roll off the hand and fingers inconsistently. Try this yourself —
    hold the ball with fingers closer together like JLin and raise the ball
    up to the shooting position. Now remove your left (guide) hand. The
    ball does not balance very well. Now spread your fingers slightly — it
    will balance much better and also come off of the palm slightly and
    will be more on the fingers. The result is a consistent, balanced hold
    of the ball from shot to shot.

    2) The ball was off to the right of
    his forehead and slightly behind, putting it in a “throwing” position.
    A good rule of thumb (no pun intended) would be to have the thumb of
    your shooting hand above your right eye, not to the side of your head.
    It will help JLin to “push” the ball off his hand (think of Stephen
    Curry), as opposed to throwing it (think Jamal Wilkes, World B. Free and
    to a lesser extent, Larry Bird). Again, this is what it looked like to
    me when I was watching him before the game and at halftime — the ball
    was too far to the right of his forehead and slightly behind, which
    induces a throwing motion. If you have “throw” in your shot, it is
    difficult to have consistent distance control from day to day. I think
    he may do this to get his shooting elbow underneath the ball. Most good
    jump shooters have their body turned at a slight angle — if you are at
    that angle you don’t need to move the ball to the side of your head to
    get your shooting elbow underneath the ball. The body angle will get
    the ball underneath your elbow automatically.

    3) His legs seemed
    too far apart which really does little for balance and hinders the
    verticality (i.e., spring) of his jump shot. He also didn’t extends his
    legs, even on free throws (this was the one thing that surprised me the
    most). If the legs don’t extend, you lose lift on the jump shot.
    Also, as your body momentum flows upwards as you push off, it is the
    extension of the legs that causes the shooting arm to fully extend at
    the release point. If everything extends, then the shot will be more
    consistent and will increase shooting range since it will be more
    powerful. The fact that he can shoot pretty well from that far out
    without extending is legs fully, shows that he is pretty strong and
    athletic, but it also indicates that he may be “throwing” the ball a
    little as well. I think Lin could have increased range and consistency
    with more ease if he did have full leg extension (which also promotes
    more of the “push” type release of the ball, instead of the throw).

    Theseare just my observations and opinions, but I think if JLin worked on
    those three aspects, his shooting accuracy and consistency would be
    greatly improved.”

  • blubell

    Brent already posted it below with a comment “Asian discount” to go with it. lol.

  • DX

    Only 15% off? come on Papa John is 50% even. 🙂

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Don’t shoot the messenger. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Sws is the first to upvote this pile.

  • occupatio

    hehe if lin merchandise is ever 50% off, then we know he’s leaving charlotte. clearance sale.

  • kjch

    I hope Dorothy continues to post random Chinese proverbs. I learned something new from her today lol

  • webattorney

    What’s wrong with upvoting any post?

  • orLinaryjoe

    If you were a 40 year old virgin, then you’ll have to reassess, lol.

  • blubell

    Yeah, not paying full price until it’s safe to do so.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Nothing wrong. Just not surprised.

  • occupatio

    if it ever becomes safe to buy, the price will have already doubled.

  • webattorney

    I guess I missed somethings between sws and you.

  • kjch

    Fortunately, jlin has not reached that stage yet 😉

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Did you also miss something between me and you? I am also not surprised that you posted that pile.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lol, Chinese discount is 50% or more.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    lol

  • blubell

    Well, he’s Taiwanese… lol

  • orLinaryjoe

    45% then, lol

  • occupatio

    lin has had so much coaching for his shooting during the offseasons…. i find it difficult to reconcile.

  • webattorney

    What pile you talking about? Why are you so sensitive and angry? I don’t even post that much here.

    Mods? What’s going on?

  • CJSHYY

    Wrong, Chinese is rich now…. they only will extend shopping hours for them. LOL!

  • Yascar

    I can’t read Chinese but in your translation it’s halftime which could actually be when they come back on court from the locker room before game play resumes – towards the end of halftime rather than at the beginning. In which case, it may not necessarily be in the footage.

  • blubell

    Please observe the forum rules. “Be Polite & Be Respectful”

  • webattorney

    Did I do anything wrong by posting the above? I thought it was informative. Hmm . . . weird.

  • David Kim

    Sometimes Lin kicks one of his leg out not straight when he does jump shot. I think curry talked about that before when Lin was at golden state. I know he fixed it but sometimes still does that.

  • CJSHYY

    Great infor. Thanks.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I’m trying. I didn’t say what the pile was made of. Even Mark Twain talked about how the typewriter can stack a whole PILE of words on a page.

  • webattorney

    I found it very informative; that’s why I am posting here, to share with posters here. I am not attacking anyone. Weird.

  • blubell

    No you didn’t do anything wrong.

  • orLinaryjoe

    They are, but they are also very good in math. A good deal is still a good deal, lol.

  • Rick Johnson

    SB NationVerified account
    ‏@SBNation
    We heard what Kobe had to say to basketball. What about what basketball has to say to Kobe?
    https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/671399797656526848

  • DX

    Very easy from theory part, but too difficulty from real. Change more than 10 or 20 years habit is mostly impossible. That’s why Howard has less 50% FT, but he can’t improve. Mostly , need to find the balance which better skill and better result. Can’t be perfect.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    “But I do like those air-balls. It’s like a rollercoaster ride with the wind rushing by my seams.”

  • CJSHYY

    They have different opinion on some subjects…

  • orLinaryjoe

    haha

  • DX

    Then must be have metal or physical problem, so don’t need to marry at all.

  • orLinaryjoe

    You were fine. No worries.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Well he has to. He kinda got engaged.

  • 1mtoldman

    certainly appropriate. some time in the next 10 games kobe plays based on his current season trajectory he will brick his 14000th shot.

    in the entire history of the league only about 80 or so players have even taken 14000 shots.

  • blubell

    That basketball is brave to speak out like that. lol.

  • 1mtoldman

    basketball is soft. soft.

  • blubell

    Well I guess engaged… but not married. He can still get out. Second year player option.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Yes, should have spoke out sooner, not after he announces retirement. Ball needed a new assertive agent.

  • blubell

    BScott is that you? Charmin?

  • sws94

    The RealGM posters say that Kemba is playing well above his norm. And that while this goes on, they want him to get as many minutes as possible. So, there’s a feeling that Kemba will slide back down after some time and he’s very, very hot now. He is playing quite well. I also think Batum helps him because at least if he passes it to Batum, Batum can find guys for good looks. Kemba, I think, turns it over when he tries more difficult passes. But he can score for sure when he’s hot and he’s made big shots.

  • CJSHYY

    I am not really a fan of Kobe… even he’s not been nice to his teammates…. but he’s a legend for Lakers & NBA no matter what people said about him.

  • blubell

    Easy for you to say. Don’t blame the victim! lol

  • orLinaryjoe

    Ball stays quiet. Agent’s job.

  • occupatio

    kemba ‘playing well’ is basically him shooting well. he does little else on the court.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    That makes no sense. Kemba took over a game against the Knicks, scored 31 points and that’s why we lost.

  • CJSHYY

    I guess when he heard Hornets got Lin, he worked hard on his shot this summer. Competition do work… LOL! I wish Lin can forget about this team ball theory for now just plays for good stats instead…

  • sws94

    One of the great things about Lin that I miss is how he made team mates better. In addition to the PnR players, he loved to get guys the balls in good spots and create easy shots or good looks for them. He’s doing that a lot for Lamb now. So, in addition to scoring on his patented drives or making jumpers, Lin loves to get assists. That’s why I think he loves team ball so much, it feels good when it gets going correctly.

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba do improve his shooting % this season but he can’t destroy his opponent like Lin in that OT vs King.

  • DX

    I don’t mind Kemba play more minutes since he is the star in this team. But it will be much better Lin plays PG when with him. Kemba is better SG than PG.

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly. Just good for him own stats… but to most of fans that’s good enough…smh!

  • sws94

    He was in regulation. He scored 21 points in the 4Q. I think the best Lin had was in the high teens in a 4Q. Kemba can be pretty clutch when he wants to. What he can’t do is make the assists Lin does. He just doesn’t facilitate that well, he’s a scorer.

  • LAJane

    Ignore the snarky jab and the disingenuous excuse. It got a warning from Mod. We appreciate your presence here as a longtime fan.

  • sws94

    I know what you mean but I have no problem if Kemba brings up the ball, passes to Lin, then Lin facilitates. Kind of what happens with Batum. What we don’t want is Lin going to the corner and not seeing the ball while Kemba dribbles around.

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba should be SG not PG. He scored the best next to Lin. Too bad, he should let Lin be starting PG & he can be SG just like Sun.

  • sws94

    See above. He can be part PG, part scorer, Lin can facilitate like Batum does if Kemba passes him the ball. That’s something Kemba has to improve.

  • PPP

    Looks like it.

  • CJSHYY

    I know so weird, Kemba allowed Batum to do it but just not Lin. I guess bc he & Lin both are PG. Competition…. Not going to happen.

  • webattorney

    Actually, IMO Kemba can dribble and find spacing to get off his shots. It’s that sometimes he is kinda short and historically did not have a good shooting percentage. But from certain spots, he’s pretty accurate. Maybe he was trying to do too much before, and now, he doesn’t have to.

  • sws94

    He looks perfect on some 3 pointers, but not on most.

    I think the purpose of the changing form is to get the ball released quicker. He’s adding to his repertoire by making the jump shot, the crossover/stepback part of it. The move against LeBron was a great execution of the move, but not the shot. Maybe if he gets closer he would have hit his shot.

    But this is useful info. His shot has some fundamental issues. Thanks.

  • Love Lin

    He should have retired n left good memories 2 fans b4 going downhill.

  • webattorney

    In some situations, he is too short to get off his shots If he was taller, he would be a SG.

  • CJSHYY

    Too late.. he’s on the way to downhill now.

  • webattorney

    For me, watching Lin play as a SG is not as exciting as watching Lin the PG.

  • CJSHYY

    Feel the same way. Haha!

  • sws94

    I think he now trusts Batum to do it and it’s become part of his game. He doesn’t understand how to do it for anyone else. Once he does it a few times, and he understands that Lin can get him easy shots he doesn’t have to work for, he might. Lin will get it to Kemba enough to make sure Kemba still scores a lot and that, hopefully, will be enough for Kemba. But still, Kemba will only pass so much. Even with Batum sometimes he goes into dribble and shoot no matter what.

  • webattorney

    I mean, I will get up early morning to see Lin start as a PG but not as a SG.

  • CJSHYY

    True. SG in this team just stand in 3P corner… nothing really special…

  • interesting observation. thanks for posting it, weba

    While it might or might not be true, the past 2 games JLin’s shooting has been looking good.
    Very similar to his preseason form, which is not involving so much rainbow arc.

    As long as Lin finds consistency, that’s what matters.
    Even Harden with supposedly good shooting stroke is struggling this season.

  • sws94

    The trick is still to produce as SG but start it at different places rather than directing the action as PG. Of course, guys won’t be where you want them to be, that’ll be the PGs direction but if done right, he can still elevate the team. These days we’ll see him run the PG with the bench, but never with Kemba on the floor. With Roberts, he even goes to SG more than PG.

  • webattorney

    Tx. Will do. Lol

  • blubell

    Yup. Linsanity was exciting because he was pure PG.

  • sws94

    Not when Batum plays it, or even Lamb. I don’t know what position Lin plays when that happens but that needs to stop.

  • blubell

    I hope your son(?) is doing well in school.

  • webattorney

    He told me he doesn’t want to go to UC Irvine because it’s too competitive there.

  • CJSHYY

    Bc Batum never will replace Kemba’s job. But Lin can ….

  • sws94

    He had all the elements that made everyone better. PnR centers, athletic guys that can run and dunk, great spot up 3 point shooter. Biggest one was a brilliant coach that said the right PG can play incredibly in this system. Since then, he’s had moments and some of the elements, but not the coach and that great mix of players. But still, made Asik, Smith, Tarik Black on the Lakers, Big Ed, Wesley Johnson at times, and here Lamb play better. Marvin Williams loves him because he does that and MW recognizes it.

  • DX

    Yes, but I doubt the ball back to Lin if passed to Kemba. 🙁

  • blubell

    In general or his major?

  • Love Lin

    Right! A legend in NBA. Ppl only remember his fancy moves n the records he made when he was at the peak, not the periods of brick.

  • sws94

    Lin doesn’t have the personality to just want to take over for Kemba though. Let’s hope Kemba will look for Lin more as the year goes along and really works with Lin more. Right now, he has a long way to go.

  • sws94

    That’s why I say Lin gets easy shots for Kemba, Kemba doesn’t work too hard but gets his points, it’s fun for Kemba. It’s win win for both. That’s my hope anyway that things can change.

  • Lin Win

    This happened for the last 3 seasons. If Lin isn’t proactive then it’ll just be the same.
    If Lin doesn’t take the shot then others will.
    If you are willing to sacrifice your own stats for others then there’s nothing wrong. Just don’t cry when the team pays you peanuts with 15mins of game time.
    If you don’t play the game like the NBA wants which is play in their superstar system then you will be treated like this.
    Even the NBA are trying so hard to market the Spurs into the Big 5.
    No one will feed you shots because every guy needs his stats for fat contracts.

    That’s reality!

  • webattorney

    In general, he heard.

  • sws94

    Yes. Don’t like him as a team mate. But he’s been a legendary player. How he plays now is tough to watch.

  • webattorney

    Agreed. He came as close to MJ as any BB player. He did a lot for Lakers and the Owners.

  • blubell

    You’re right. It won’t be Linsanity without other key pieces and teamwork.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    No, don’t be mislead by KHuang’s delusions. No player “gets drafted contracts in front of his face.” In fact, there is an 8-day moratorium that the NBA imposes during which the signing of contracts is prohibited. That is why Deandre Jordan agreed to join the Mavs, but could not actually sign the contract until a week later. If the Mavs could have signed him right away, he would not have been able to flipflop a week later.

    A player can meet with multiple teams and they can make VERBAL offers but only after a player picks one of those offers and negotiates further will a contract ever be drawn up and signed. And that applies to the “first dominos.” Lin was a secondary domino. So, even more so a team needed him to reciprocate interest before they would offer exact terms. But no matter what, no player ever receives more that 1 written contract to sign. Lin never got a contract to sign from the Mavs because they didn’t agree to terms.

  • blubell

    That’s unfortunate. Irvine was one of the easiest UCs to get into few year back but getting into any UC school is very tough these days. Maybe consider community college and transferring?

  • well said, after all it’s JLin’s career while we’re just on the outside looking in so there are definitely many inside knowledge that we’re not privileged to know.

    Let’s hope JLin and Clifford have some talk on the expectation very soon

  • sws94

    Pick Lin’s team mates from his former and existing team Lin to play great with but weren’t on the Linsanity team. So Rockets, Lakers, Charlotte. Who would you pick? Coach would be MDA.

  • DX

    Lakers, big market, nice fans, Lin’s hometown, and no Kobe next season.

  • Briiick

    I was reminded in another site about the story of Stan Van Gundy the mentor of Cliff, Brandon Jennings and Reggie Jackson last season, could anyone elaborate on it ?

  • Rick Johnson

    Charlotte Hornets PR
    ‏@HornetsPR
    INJURY UPDATE: Al Jefferson’s MRI today confirmed @hornets initial diagnosis of a strained left calf. He will be out approximately 2-3 weeks
    https://twitter.com/HornetsPR/status/671488338231238656

  • occupatio

    i think al’s absence will help the team. it will allow the wing players to actually run more creative offense than just finding a way to feed al. pnr and paint defense will be better without al.
    and finally, cliff will learn to use other players instead of relying so much on al.

  • CJSHYY

    Who is going to replace him? Kamisky?

  • Dorothy

    It is pathetic. Hornets are criminals…

  • Hairsanity Wanted List:
    1. Ed Davis at PF
    2. Dwight Howard at C
    3. Batum at SF
    4. Kemba at SG
    Backup: Parsons at SF, TJones at PF, Asik at C, Swaggy at SG, cloned JLin at PG

  • occupatio

    cody will move to 5 spot among starters.
    kam will come in as the 4 in bench unit. the 5 will be filled by either hawes or pyscho

  • Acbc

    Once the game turned into a star making machine to make money, it was a game of popularity and not about meritocracy. It’s like the kardasians really, it’s not how good you are as an actor, it’s about how popular you can make yourself. Television is bombarded by popular shows aimed to the lowest common denominator, the NBA is just another reality show like “survivor”. The rules are different, but the object is the same. Greed and selfishness gets rewarded by winning the popularity game or become the most hated.

    I can say that most of the Lin fans came back into the game the same way you did with Lin. What most of us hoped for isn’t what we are getting because we assume meritocracy. Your great stats for 3 years have shown us that fact, yet we keep banging our heads like it will be any different on another team. No, it will be the same all over again as long as handshakes and promises are thrown out for personal convenience. What meters in this greedy world we live in isn’t integrity, it’s me first and that’s the only truth that counts.

    Lin’s goals are much bigger than the game itself. The pain and suffering he receives is a price he will pay to change the stupid game of greed our society is on. It always takes one to make a stand. Lin is the brave one to do it. It’s just great that Rose recognizes that and have joined into that fight to make a difference. Don’t despair, Lin knows exactly what he’s doing. We just have to bare witness to his challenge to us all to be part of the solution, because if you’re not, you are the problem.

  • Yascar

    Don’t think I can complete a roster – Ed Davis, Dwight Howard, Jeremy Lamb, maybe Nic Batum if he plays SF. Bench: Back up PG maybe Aaron Brooks. Omri Casspi only because they seemed to get along, Omer Asik. Not sure who back up SG would be.

  • blubell

    Cloned JLin? That’s cheating! Haha. I want to throw in Dmo somewhere in the second unit.

  • Yascar

    Oh Swaggy, forgot about him. Yeah he’d be good as a bench SG especially if he starts passing a bit.

    Besides, the team would be a riot.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    He didn’t have anything more to lose that he didn’t. He’s trying to save himself from disgrace.

  • Yascar

    So Al out for 2-3 weeks, MKG already out for the season. They are supposed to be two of the main guys on the team, certainly last season.

    If CHA can have a strong 2-3 weeks, it makes a real statement about how far the team has come.

  • Rick Johnson

    Only small sample size, but Zeller or Hawes with starters seem to be offensively challenged NetRtg -33 with Zeller, -46.7 with Hawes. Starters going to get murdered by GSW:

    .

  • occupatio

    the 4th quarters in which al sat on the bench, the team has played well.
    keep in mind that the starting unit with al in 1Q barely breaks even. NetRtg of only +1.7.

  • kittyhead

    Your tone is so familiar…Ya, I read a lot of similar comments when Lin played with Harden. You dont expect star players cater to a bench player’s playing style in the NBA. Only disappointment.(Please dont call me negative)

  • blubell

    I doubt Clifford will start a rookie. Probably Zeller or Hawes.

  • sws94

    Kemba at SG. Interesting 🙂

    Cool, thanks. I wish Dwight wouldn’t post up. Pick and roll Dwight like they played in a few games is awesome.

  • Yascar

    True and having him completely out has the potential to change the team completely.

    I mean it’s different circumstances for sure because Lance was so awful for them, but last year, when Lance went down and the team played better (though still not so good), Cliff took the decision to bench him even when he returned. So, interesting times to say the least.

  • sws94

    When does he ever pass, lol?!!

  • kittyhead

    That’s what the NBA value. Great individual stats and you are a superstar!

  • sws94

    Not terrible for big Al. It could have been worse. Hope that opens up some playing time for Psycho T.

  • blubell

    Not much choice at SG unless you want Harden and Kobe! lol.

  • Rick Johnson

    If you sort Jersey’s by “Top Seller” JLin’s jersey comes out first, then Walker, then Zeller. MKG, Jefferson. Hairston, Roberts, Williams. Interesting there is no Batum jersey. If you want a Batum jersey you have to custom make it.

  • Rick Johnson

    I’d take Clarkson over Kobe or Harden. Or maybe Ellington.

  • blubell

    Right, I forgot about Clarkson. Haven’t watched Lakers games… is he playing SG right now and Russel a PG?

  • Rick Johnson

    Yes, Clarkson plays SG with Russel at PG.

  • David Kim

    Lin PG, Curry SG, Kemba 6th man role

  • Rick Johnson

    Even Lamb is better than Harden and Kobe.

    So between Lamb, Clarkson or Ellington.

  • occupatio

    did u watch a lot of lance playing last year?

  • blubell

    Haha. I guess we all forgot about GSW was JLin’s former team.

  • Rick Johnson

    Wow Detroit killing Houston 46-27 in 2Q

  • that way, Lin fans won’t need to complain if JLin is benched for cloned JLin =D

    DMo is interesting; he’s good but I feel like he hit his ceiling as far as being clutch when it matters.
    Maybe backup PF

  • blubell

    I agree with Lamb and Clarkson but not so sure about Ellington. I’d take Swaggy over Ellington.

  • sws94

    That’s right. Totally forgot about GSW. So, there’s a bunch of good players there to choose.

  • blubell

    I’ll take the OG JLin any day. One JLin is enough 😛

  • sws94

    Which is a shame, really. Promotes selfishness.

  • blubell

    Other than Curry, Lee, and Ellis, I don’t now who was on that team then.

  • down by 22 now. it’s a little unbelievable how poorly they’re playing.

  • whoop… now down by 24… okay, I’ll stop.

  • blubell

    Houston is pretty much getting killed by everyone right now… except the Sixers.

  • Yascar

    Not that much but I did see some games. It looked like they were trying a double PG model like the Suns and it didn’t work. It was almost like Kemba and Lance were deferring to each other or something.

    Did you watch them last year? While it’s all in the past, I think it is good context for Lin’s situation now.

  • Rick Johnson

    Houston can’t stop Drummond

  • sws94

    That’s very interesting. So now Clifford says right idea but wrong guy to have Kemba do this with. Cliff may be stubborn and insist that it happens with Lin. He likes that idea.

  • Rick Johnson

    Down by 28 now

  • kittyhead

    I love Drummond!!

  • blubell

    Are they purposely tanking or simply a locker room/FO issues or all of the above?

  • sws94

    Thompson wasn’t? Oh well.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! It’s 60 vs 32? Wow! Jackson plays well… Harden looks bad….LOL!

  • sws94

    They almost look like they are. What a trainwreck.

  • Yascar

    Don’t think they are purposely tanking. This really is how bad they are this year.

  • Yascar

    One can only hope. There was one game last year where he had one assist! That is a 100% improvement from his normal game. So there is hope! Lol

  • I don’t understand it… they’re talented players…

  • adele

    In other words, Clifford is a smooth talker and Lin fall for it. And he doesn’t like Houston because they have Harden. Too bad Hornets have Kemba and Batum and Lamb and Hairston. Lin thought the coach likes him? Well when its courtship period, it’s all roses but the thorns will emerge later.

  • 29

  • Yascar

    Yes look at what he is trying to do with Batum/Kemba. When that two plus Lin are on the floor, I just think he is using Kemba or Batum as the main facilitators. I do wonder if he kept the same concept but let Lin do the heavy lifting on facilitation, the team would be even better. But I’m a Lin fan so just IMO.

  • occupatio

    i watched charlotte some two years ago, but didnt watch any lance-era.

  • Acbc

    Houston’s problem is the shark tank culture created by Morey. Everyone now is just not looking for the better shot. They get the ball somehow and will never give it up. Not quite as bad as when Kobe was shooting in the face of triple teams but that’s basically how these players are trying to win. I’m getting mine, you wait your turn. The same thing on defence. There’s no help anywhere because of Harden. The team leader is saving himself for the offence so I’m going to as well.

  • adele

    Obviously.

  • Kemba is a great scorer but he’s only PG because of his size.
    When he passes, bad things happen

    Not sure if Clifford is brave enough to experiment with Kemba as SG.
    Kemba is basically a well-behaved and more talented Monta Ellis =D

  • occupatio

    if sixers didnt miss a dozen layups, they would have won the game

  • adele

    Lin always follow his coach orders.

  • Yascar

    Concise, clear and cold hard truth right there.

  • occupatio

    harden doesnt talk. the team doesnt talk on defense. a team that doesnt talk to each other on defense is a disaster.

  • MorlockO

    I prefer Clay at SG or wesly matthews (if he returns back to normal)…. someone how plays hard nose D and can shoot a 3… SF I like trevor ariza or draymond green

  • blubell

    Wasn’t he drafted after JLin left?

  • sws94

    I’m not sure.

  • blubell

    They were never his former teammates though.

  • blubell

    Are you gonna google it or do I have to do it? lol

  • MorlockO

    lol didn’t know it has to be former teammates haha

  • sws94

    Clay joined the team in 2011 and Lin left that year. That’s what I’ve found. Were they teammates?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    ….but they lost? Clutch means you scored and make stop.

  • David Kim

    I think so

  • blubell

    He was drafted ’11-12 lock out season. Jeremy was waived late 2011. Linsanity was 2012. They were not teammates…. I think.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I feel so bad for Lin every time he rebounded the ball he had to look for Kemba to it handover, then automatic run to stand in the corner. SMH.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If you don’t see Jeremy dominated the game, you have a problem. In fact Lin is already playing at the next level. His passes just fell into so many stiff hands. Lin could easily double his assists. Kaminsky and Hawes will be better as time goes. The combination of Lin-MW-Hawes-Kaminsky will be very very deadly.
    Lamb is not a threat at all and he could’t move the team like Jeremy did. When he got the ball, he didn’t really know what to do with it. The flow of game stalled when the ball reached his hands. He wasn’t even a great scorer or he wasn’t even that athletic as his measurements shown. I’m not dissing him at all. At this stage, Lamb is just what his name tells us.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why are we still holding grudges against the Rockets? The fact was at least 5 teams giving Lin offer last summer; meanwhile even after Linsanity, Rockets were the only team pursued Lin with $25 mil, it’s still the most money up to now.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No one questioning Lin’s talents, except those who set a new low standard for him or some even blamed him for his inconsistent roles like his shot wasn’t falling. Need to work on xyz….

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If you are telling me that the Rockets is a playoff team, I will tell you that you gotta be kidding me.

  • wu kong

    clutchfans, jersey gate, clutchfans, Harden, Morey, McHale, cut on Christmas eve, clutchfans….

  • sws94

    Why can’t Lin rebound the ball and motion Kemba to go into the corner? Lamb has done that when he rebounded the ball to Lin.

  • At the moment, I’m thinking less about the grudge and more just amazed at their state of play.

  • occupatio

    i dont have a grudge. i simply hate them. =)

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s better to focus the real problem now. Still that’s not how good people should behave especially Christian.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Kaminsky will be benefited most when Al is out.

  • your son’s voltaire

    they are a generally hated team

  • Rick Johnson

    What if Hornets trade their 2016 first round draft pick to Detroit for Drummond? He’s an UFA next year. Maybe Detroit would wan’t to get something for him before he walks. Lin Drummond PnR would be awesome.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I can’t help you if you don’t know the reason. Hint, this is pro sport not street playground.

  • Yascar

    Same here. Their fall from grace is just so spectacular. Like the Knicks a season ago.

  • your son’s voltaire

    the 1st unit’s offense have just opened up

  • Rick Johnson

    Having all the players stats displayed in real time on monitors with their picture over their lockers probably fosters Shark Tank mentality over team ball.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It would never Lin and Drum, it will be Drum and Kemba or nothin.

  • occupatio

    steve van gundy loves them corner 3s.

    notice how few the hornets shoot. it just shows cliff’s limitations in managing the offense.

  • Rick Johnson

    Never know.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Yes I know by what going on.

  • wu kong

    ha ha ha. archangel Michael just saying… sometimes you fight back 🙂

  • Singapore BB Fan

    How would you like if your boss would to tell you that he is constantly looking for reasons to replace you? Doesn’t sound very encouraging. In fact, you will be so afraid to make mistakes because you are DISPENSABLE anytime.

  • Joe what do you know

    I doubt Drummond is determined to leave Detroit at this stage. It’s obvious Pistons want him to be their centre piece going forward. And they’re just starting to show what they are capable of this year with additional key pieces. So if I’m Drummond I will seriously consider staying with Pistons. And if I’m Piston manager, I will have faith in Andre staying beyond this year…

  • sws94

    The answer is you don’t know. You don’t know that Cliff has any directive to Lin not to bring the ball up the court. Go back and look at some video. if you don’t think LIn has brought the ball up the court while Kemba was on the court.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Fight back when Lin face them again, as of now let focus on our favorite man to be great again. They’re out of the picture even to Lin. Mchale is gone.

  • Rick Johnson
  • sws94

    That wasn’t called? Yikes.

  • sws94

    OK.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    No foul call? LOL

  • wu kong

    eh you go be a saint. I am happy to see Harden fail. until he makes a huge change in his life and priorities. If he were to truly embrace a team concept I would praise him mightily until then I will delight in his struggles.

  • Briiick

    Well said. A lot clueless fans are still asking Lin to shoot the ball when he gets one, thinking this will increase his role and PT, LOL. Cliff is trying to hide Lin’s offense now so that Walker and Batum’s stats look brighter for the All Star.

  • occupatio

    there should be a forum rule about tiresome religious policing like this.

  • wu kong

    and it is not just harden I want to see Morey chased out of town on a rail

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Do you think a player loved to run to the corner to stand because there’s an umbrella there? SMH.

  • sws94

    They won. Kemba got them ahead 2 points and then Rondo made that Lob with less than a second left tying the score and forcing OT. In OT then Lin stepped up and scored big.

  • Rick Johnson

    Nope, enjoying CF melt down too much.

  • Yascar

    Down just 11 now. Lawson woke up. Let’s see if they pull this off.

  • sws94

    Can you answer a question like an adult without being a smart you know what? Try it. I think Lin defers to Kemba when he’s on the court but there are times Lin has brought the ball up while Kemba has gone to the corner and then the ball was whipped around the horn.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Then you shouldn’t follow Lin since he always mention God. Nonsense.

  • occupatio

    so maddening, this game

  • Rick Johnson

    Both on B2B’s. See who has more left in the tank

  • occupatio

    this is precisely the sort of thing im talking about.

  • wu kong

    archangel Michael again… right hand man of god just sayin’

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Ya! like the Gatlin boys (Kenny Rogers’ Coward of the County).
    Sometimes you gotta fight when you’re a man….

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s fine. I don’t care how Harden play anymore, Lin is not in that team. Lin is NOW with a shooter first pg and a shoot first SF and even worse, he’s watching them from the bench.

  • sws94

    Rockets?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Wrong war.

  • occupatio

    yes.

  • Joe what do you know

    Only logical explanation would be that’s what Cliff wanted. When Kemba is on the court he automatically assumes to ball handler and offense initiator role. The only time Lin is designated to that role is when Kemba is on the bench and Batum is not playing the facilitator role. This is only what the coach wishes. What actually happen on the court won’t always be what the coach wanted though. Some players tend to go rough for a play or 2….

  • wu kong

    Ecclesiastes 3:8 – A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I was wrong to say we, it should be you.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Singapore BB Fan

    Rockets only paid 8+8mil to JLin. But the damages done by Morey and gang was not worth the money. He is now labelled as a relatively good Backup pg to Beverly.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It’s a a wrong time to hate, wrong enemy of war.

  • grover chang

    LOL. I bet if your like me that post didn’t even take a second to write.

  • wu kong

    not even try to think of all the reasons

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    5+5 to be correct. LA paid Lin 15. My point was Lin got that max offer because of them only. Plus they would never trade Lin had they knew Bosh would stay in Miami.

  • Joe what do you know

    Pretty spot on. Lamb’s only advantage is that he’s a fearless shooter with a good shooting touch and decent finisher at the rim thanks to the combination of his height, wingspan, above average athleticism (by no means a freak athlete). Outside of these few upsides, he’s at best, very average.

    I have hopes for Frank, but I don’t get your optimism with Hawes…. I mean, he can have a few good games here and there where he looks sober, perhaps 2-3 games out of 10. But most of the time he just look plain drunk….

  • occupatio

    drummond has been beasting on both ends

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s a pretty obvious moving screen….

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Thank you. You hit it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I forgot there’s also a nice cold beer there too, even Lin would enjoy it.

  • occupatio

    unbelievable. reggie has been throwing lobs over howard!! to drummond.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I can’t stop laughing when you said Cliff is trying to hide Lin’s offense now.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Look at Lin’s stats in the past several games, that’s a melt down to me.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ya, could dwell on that and be miserable or enjoy CF meltdown. Your choice.

  • John Focker

    This is the dictionary definition of a moving screen!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They’re my former opposition.

  • sws94

    So you can’t.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    To those can’t be fixed, it’s time to give up.

  • Joe what do you know

    He has all the physical capability to do it … Just not in his gene to disobey what the coach wants…

  • John Focker

    A Hornets bench with Lin as 8th or 9th option will get to 8th seed in EC.

    A Hornets bench with Lin as 6th man with ball-handling duty and heavy minutes and closing can potentially get top or 2nd seed.

    A GSW bench with Lin as 6th man has a shot at 82-0.

  • Rick Johnson

    Detroit getting sloppy at the end.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    From Detroid to NY, Boston, LA or Dallas etc….ok, a superstar free agent would never go to Charlotte.

  • Joe what do you know

    Harden getting too many 50/50 calls…. It’s almost like he’s got sensor chips implanted in his arms and body that makes the ref whistles go off when a slight vibration was detected…

    He’s like the virgin daughter of NBA refs…. Oh so delicate and untouchable…

  • John Focker

    With the current Rox roster, except for adding Lin as starting PG with primary ball-handling (Harden pure SG), can give GSW serious trouble as long as coach is smarter than BS.

  • sws94

    Steve Kerr doesn’t think much of Lin. Lin is a 7th man at worse on the Hornets now. At the end of the season, who knows? So much can happen.

  • occupatio

    i dont think many were even 50/50. non calls

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hornets without Lin, under .500 guaranteed.

  • Joe what do you know

    Ok I was too nice to say they’re 50/50 calls…. Shame on me…

  • John Focker

    Certainly, just as the sky is blue. 🙂

  • Rick Johnson

    Does it matter what coaches say? “I’m a Jeremy Lin fan, I really am” -Byron Scott

  • sws94

    How do we know what the coach wants? Has he said so? Do we have a playbook? And there were times Lin rebounded and Kemba ran to the corner. It was not that many, but it happened.

    What did Kobe keep saying to Lin? Wave me off. Run the offense. So how do we not know that Lin is just having Kemba run offense while he has another plan? That he doesn’t take that option?

    I’m not saying that is the case but is it really possible to know?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    LOL, great point. BTW, there’s a long list of good things Cliff said about LIn.

  • John Focker

    The real litmus will be Hornets’ treatment of Lin after the December trade deadline.

  • Briiick

    Rox is losing it, hahhaha.
    Haren got 17 FTs
    Howard got only 7 shots, 5 PF, no FTs in 31 minutes, LOL ! He could have play PnR with Lin and even Morey wouldn’t be able to stop Howard and Lin together.

  • wu kong

    stats pretty good to me..

  • sws94

    Cop out. Responding in the manner that you do means you don’t aren’t making a persuasive argument for your point. I’m just asking you to support your point or theory. If it is a theory, fine. It doesn’t mean you are wrong. But it may not be the case either.

  • John Focker

    Ty Lawson CAN’T POSSIBLY be happy being benched while Beverley starts. There WILL be vitriol!

    Much to my delight. Rox implosion is LONG overdue. Oh, and special thanks goes to Khloe.

  • kittyhead

    YES, i will never buy what ppl say now. Action speaks louder than words.

  • John Focker

    I see lips moving… LOL

  • Joe what do you know

    Yet another former rocket escaped and come back triumph over this dysfunctional team… Lucky you Marcus Morris…

  • it’s interesting that, even after beverly just fouled out, ty lawson didn’t come in to replace him. and he seemed to have a decent game stats-wise.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Just my opinion, Morey will turn this team upside down if it does not improve anytime soon. Watch, Lin might be in the trade inquiry. Remember, Howard and Harden are still friend with Lin.

  • John Focker

    Lawson’s officially become the Mav’s Rondo.

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s why I added “logical explanation”…. It’s merely a speculation.

  • Yascar

    He had a good stretch in the 3rd.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Was that what our parents have told us since we’re young? 🙂

  • John Focker

    Doubt it, Morey hates no one more than Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    I doubt they will be able to get Lin. Don’t think Hornets wants to trade Lin.

  • Rick Johnson

    Rox lost to Detroit, Yeah

  • CJSHYY

    They don’t think Lawson is good…

  • sws94

    Looking at the Utah game, they are home, they aren’t getting calls. Hayward was just fouled obviously and GSW gets the call. Something isn’t right about that. GSW doesn’t need any more help to stay undefeated, they are a great team.

  • John Focker

    Exactly. A 10M+ player for bottom 2M price, Hornets are stupid but not THAT stupid.

  • Briiick

    Now if someone says if Lawson tries harder he could win his starting job and PT back I will LMAO.

  • wu kong
  • Joe what do you know

    Tim Duncan seems like that kind of superstar that wouldn’t mind going to Charlotte. Too bad he’s a lifetime Spurs.

    The only chance Charlotte ever get a bona fide superstar is mostly likely from the draft. But considering their picks over the past years…. I can only laugh sarcastically….

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Morey is famously bringing back his guards in the past, success or strong attempting.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya!…Besides this is still long season to go…. they need Lin.

  • wu kong

    ok challenge accepted… if Lawson tries harder he could win his starting job and PT back ha ha ha

  • John Focker

    Yes, but no other guard smacked him in the face with Linsanity and got him yelled at by Les.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    he’s a special.

  • John Focker

    NBA riding the GSW winning streak wagon of profit. Not unlike refs cheating Jazz out of a championship in favor of MJ’s second tri-peat in 1998.

  • sws94

    Yes. Understood.

  • Diepenbrock said Lin and his mother were so turned off by what happened, that when a Stanford assistant tried calling Lin later on to get him to walk-on, he never returned the calls.

    “Come on, coach, I can’t play for somebody I can’t trust,” Diepenbrock recalled Lin saying.

    Morey: “Hello, Jeremy?”
    Lin: ” …[please leave your message for your favorite #7] .. click!
    Morey: “Hello? Helllooow? …..”

  • John Focker

    Which is why they pay him 13M so that they can start the 6M one. LOL

  • Rick Johnson

    If Charlotte let Lin play and beat Cleveland they would be sitting in 3rd place right now.

  • sws94

    This is what turned me off about the NBA before I started watching it again with Linsanity. I guess all of the major sports have bad officiating. MLB is easier to regulate, but we see ridiculous balls and strikes called and the plate called differently for different teams and for star pitchers vs. non-stars.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin backup guard would be a luxury to any team. He also the best pg insurance policy. If Curry out for weeks, have no fear, Lin is easily replaced. Kemba is not in the same class as Lin in PG position from both ends.

  • Briiick

    Yeah, unless he is slammed by Les again.

  • John Focker

    I don’t mind bad/non-calls due to incompetence, at least not as much as intentional ones. The latter are the ones that degrade the sport to the level of pro wrestling. It defeats every purpose of watching the games.

    I understand exactly how you feel, for I’ve done the same (quitting NBA)…twice, before Linsanity brought me back. 1998 Finals and 2007 Suns’ missing game 5 vs Spurs. Malone/Stockton and Nash got cheated out of their championships.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah. If NBA becomes too obviously like the WWF where everything is going with a “plot”, I’m out for sure…

  • John Focker

    Kemba’s an SG who didn’t grow tall enough.

  • Rick Johnson

    Greg Monroe left Detroit and turned down LA and NY to go to Milwaukee.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is a grownup, he knows this is nothing but business. Can’t compare pro and college. Lin was honored in his first return in Toyota center.

  • sws94

    Both are bad, but yes, something smells here. Just like it has for years in the NBA.

  • John Focker

    If Charlotte let Lin play (period) they would’ve beat the Hawks twice, the Bulls twice, and also Cleveland and be top of the EC. Stupid is as stupid does.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ya, Bulls are good too. They just beat SAS.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Without politic, Lin is a much better PG because he can make the whole team better.

  • John Focker

    I remember a bad one in the early ’90s with Lakers’ guard Tony Smith getting smacked behind the head while bringing up the ball, and was send tumbling on the floor. No call. It got my blood boiling.

  • Rick Johnson

    That’s only for people who understand stats and want to see what’s really happening. The average Joe only looks at PPG where even a low efficiency volume shooter like Kobe looks good.

  • CJSHYY

    Poor BA, after that big lose to Hornets, he never played again…

  • Acbc

    The refs also help them beat the Raptors with 2 marginal offensive fouls in the last minute.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Can’t afford to have the headline about Lin. Linsanity single handedly buried Heat big 3 story and NY Giants super bowl winner.

  • Joe what do you know

    Dude…. You’re “due” for your missing “D”….

  • Acbc

    Morey will be fired at the end of this year.

  • John Focker

    To call this “bad” would actually be an excessive compliment.

  • I still think loyalty is a big part of JLin.
    The same way that he didn’t leave Doc as his shooting coach, the same way he kept his old agent who trusted in him when noone did

    I would be highly surprised if JLin comes back to Houston.
    For $10M/yr when Harden and Morey are not there, maybe.
    Throw in MDA, it’ll be a deal =)

  • George Livingston

    Yeah…no grudge..it’s not like Jeremy was publicly called out and thrown under the bus for a playoff loss. Man, it would be really messed if they put a picture of someone with his jersey number prior to him leaving…how about all those lies Morey was spreading about him…….yeah..no grudges..Houston was a class act.

  • John Focker

    Then the karmic circle would be complete. 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin would have no say if it’s a trade.

  • Dorothy

    No, Rox fans are TERRIBLE. No way.

  • sws94

    Yes. The 90s were horrible. But I’m not so sure things are any better now. Replay helps but not on foul calls that much. How does LeBron reverse an obvious travel? This stuff shouldn’t be happening. Some stars get away with mauling people and guys like Lin ticky tack fouls call on them with regularity.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Negative fans are always louder than the positive one. Plus the positive one mostly go to the game.

  • John Focker

    Rox deserve to rot the same way Lakers are (with BS-like coach and owner) FOREVAH!

  • Rick Johnson

    Eastern Conference is tough. Bulls beat SAS, ATL beat OKC, Detroit beat Houston.

  • Briiick

    There is another guard who is smacking him in the face: Morey thought he is gold and bet Les’ farm on him (smart employee !) but he is turning out to be fool’s gold.

  • John Focker

    Sixers almost beat Houston. Just saying.

  • Hornets know Lin is a steal at $2.2M to get to playoff.
    And to backup Kemba who played 72 and 63 games in the past 2 seasons is so valuable

    I can’t see why they would want to trade Lin

  • I also wouldn’t want JLin go back there.
    The media is terrible; even Jason Friedman couldn’t stand it anymore there

  • John Focker

    Hahahaha, couldn’t have said it better myself. Would’ve been perfect if you’d thrown in “benched him for a 0.6M guard.”

  • John Focker

    That’s why as soon as Lin’s out of the NBA, I’m quitting.

  • how a young JLin might’ve reacted =)
    (refresh for pic)

    Note: just kidding, we know classy Lin would never let himself go to poke fun at teammates

    http://i.imgur.com/fed8c.gif

  • Briiick

    Lin’s chances get better when the competition gets tougher.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not saying it’s gonna happen or wanted to happen but never rule out any possibility. Lin fans have predicted all the teams he would land in the past but so far nothing corrected except surprises. From LA to Charlotte.

  • zxcvb

    Big Al’s 2-3 week injury could mean more minutes and shots for Lin. The main reason PJ gets minutes (that could go to Lin and Lamb) is that Clifford thinks Al, Kemba and Nic are enough offense. So Hairston gets 17mpg for defense. But now, Cliff may be forced to play Lin more. Just something to watch for.

  • Briiick

    I am with you. NBA is driving out a lot of educated fans by promoting fake studs and fake stats.

  • kittyhead

    Darn, the Lin effect??

  • of course there is always a small chance.

    Personally, I’d rather see JLin finish the season at Hornets to advanced deep in 2nd or 3rd round of playoff so his market value would skyrocket in the off-season.

    Traded mid-season from a team that he chose wouldn’t be good for his career, a “journeyman” label would be thrown around more. We know JLin always needed some time to adjust to a new team, system, place.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If Cliff wanted nothing more than winning, Lin would be playing at least 30 mpg with first in last out substitution.

  • CJSHYY

    Me too.

  • Maknusia

    Recent interview with kemba Walker…pretty funny

    Is Jeremy Lin’s hair cool or ridiculous?

    It’s pretty cool.

    I think you’re just being nice.

    It’s cool. We all like it. It’s an advantage for us. If anyone messes with us, he can, you know, just get ’em for us. [At this point, Walker mimics Lin bending over at the waist, and using his hair as some sort of battering ram into an enemy’s chest — kind of like a bull goring a matador).

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14177081/kemba-walker-legacy-rookie-year-dunking-dancing-big-al-jeans

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Respect but I would rather see him traded.

  • Maknusia

    Hey Piston won!…I’m not complaining! 🙂

  • Lin Win

    No! Har en is missing his D

  • orLinaryjoe

    The mind control stare did not work.

  • John Focker

    “Could” is a big “IF”. Clifford may give more minutes to Lamb/Roberts. At this point I expect nothing from him.

  • Joe what do you know

    Even Obi Wan needs to wave his hand to do his mind trick. What makes Harden think he’s better than a Jedi master…?

  • John Focker

    The Farce is strong with this one.

  • kauaiblue

    I miss this so much…

  • Joe what do you know

    Lol!! Farce….

  • John Focker

    The Rox record is 7-11, which ironically coincide with Harden’s “pre-Khloe” club hours.

  • sws94

    Utah and GSW close.

  • kauaiblue

    During playoffs, teams tighten their rotations even more… jlin would get no time on the floor…

  • Rick Johnson

    ATL won, dropped Charlotte back to #7.

  • MorlockO

    Interviewer: You guys have struggled when you, Big Al, and Cody are all on the floor together.

    Kemba: Really?

    Interviewer: Yeah. The numbers are ugly. Why do you think that is? Bad spacing?

    Kemba: I have no idea. I love playing with Cody.

    This really bothers me… as a point guard you really need to know these stuffs…

  • my guess is GSW will “turn it on” with 2 min left for a comfortable 10pt win

    they’ll do the same vs Hornets on Dec 2 but JLin also “turns it on” in the last 2 min. Hornets win!

  • IF clifford lets him play the last 2 min.

  • John Focker

    “It” meaning clutch worthiness.

  • John Focker

    IF clifford doesn’t let Lin close, then Hornets LOSE. (Bulls, Cavs, etc.)

  • Briiick

    Cliff plays Kemba like van Gundy played Jennings last season, noticing that Cliff learned his stuff from van Gundy.

  • naturally .. yesss

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Do you guys believe going back to Houston with Harden still there, as a much better situation for Lin than in Charlotte?

    A few months ago, I’d said, no way, I wouldn’t want Lin back in Houston…but now, I’m not really sure since Lin is not playing much in Charlotte anyway and he played much more even with Harden and Beverley in the rotation.

    I would rather see him elsewhere, but if it’s between Charlotte or Houston, giving the fact that Clifford refuses to give him consistent minutes, I wouldn’t mind him going back to Houston,

  • John Focker

    Ideally, reunite with D’Antoni in Brooklyn. New York media keeps the narratives honest and D’Antoni knows how to use Lin properly. No more Secretariat that risks injury, though.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Do you mean the Houston Rocket? He didn’t want no part of going back to play for the Rockets?

  • orLinaryjoe

    Lol, good 1

  • CJSHYY

    Saw Lance & Smith are pair to help each other…. Good for them both. Doc finally use them more now.

  • Joe what do you know

    Unless the entire Houston offense moves away form Harden-centric plays and start using their other capable scorers like Howard, Brewer, Thornton and Ariza. There’s no way Lin will be in a better situation back in Houston… The toxic fan base is already a major trade off, you don’t want him to compromise on any other things…

  • we long for the day smiling JLin just play so freely on-court

    for now, we got smiles here and there so it’s progress

  • orLinaryjoe

    As long as he doesn’t say “Lin Skywalker, I am your father!”

  • sws94

    Curry is ridiculous.

  • sws94

    GSW wins by 3.

  • occupatio

    clutch rebound at the end. my video is too pixelated to see who got it.

  • oh MAN, what a game!

    If I were a Jazz fan, I’d feel more upset about the illegal screen.

  • GSW escaped with 106-103 win
    Clutch Curry and Draymond plus strong rebounding made it happen.

    Hornets really needs Hansbrough to battle on the boards with GSW big men
    Plus Lin to try to slow down Curry

  • Rick Johnson

    GSW 19 – 0. Hornets turn next to try to break the streak.

  • Rick Johnson

    We know that. Does Cliff?

  • John Focker

    Hornets have ZERO chance unless they let Lin run the point and play 30+ min.

  • zxcvb

    Well, obviously. But Clifford has his rules, and this could change them.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ya, GSW my hometown team. I’m rooting for Lin when he’s on the floor. Otherwise rooting for GSW to extend the streak.

  • sws94

    The officiating was really biased. Jazz could have won this game. Wasn’t a monster game by Curry, but he did enough with the others to get the W.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! But I don’t think Cliff will do that so …. loss for tomorrow.

  • He has 3 days to plan for it.
    Hopefully Coach Silas and Coach Lin as ex-GSWers can shed some light in the game plan to slow down GSW

    But yeah, his slow in-game adjustment might prove to be fatal

  • zxcvb

    Not Roberts. He’s not in the rotation. Lamb and Lin are. Look, I’m annoyed as anyone that Lin is being held back, but the truth is, Clifford has his “rules” and sticks to them.

    Lamb gets extra time because MKG is out and Hairston stinks. That means he gets backup SG + backup SF time. Lin has Kemba ahead of him so he only gets backup PG + 3rd string SG time.

  • John Focker

    League not killing their golden hen yet. Need to keep those dollars rolling in.

  • sws94

    You have to hit a lot of 3s. Hansbrough would have to play and Troy Daniels would need to be dusted off and tried beyond the arc. And if Lin’s 3 isn’t working, I don’t know how you make up for all of the 3s GSW can drop. And Lamb, Batum and Kemba would have to make most of theirs as well.

    Iggy would be put on Lin, GSW has done that before and it’s a good way of getting the ball out of his hands.

  • John Focker

    What happened to his “Walker+Batum+Lin locked down for closing games” rule?

  • zxcvb

    He never had that rule. He specifically said since Game 1 that he had no idea who would close. it actually annoyed me to hear that, but that’s what he said.

  • CJSHYY

    When Silas was w GSW , that team was not good. Now it’s a total different team. GSW it’s really too good not only starters but bench as well.

  • JoeTeam

    Jazz almost did it.

  • sws94

    I have a bad feeling if you put Lin on Curry Lin is in foul trouble. The way the refs called this game, I don’t see Lin being able to really play D on Curry. I don’t even know if Batum or whoever they put on him can.

  • Rick Johnson

    Curry is going to come out hot. He’s playing in front of his home town. All family, family friends will probably be there for Dell Curry being honored. He will probably light up the court. Hope it’s Walker and Batum in the crossfire and not Lin when it comes.

  • JoeTeam

    Lin keeps game close, Curry sinks a hit to win it.

  • John Focker

    Lin HAS to be in to create better spacing, which improves 3PT percentage. It’s been proven that Lamb shoots A LOT better when playing with Lin as opposed to ISO Kemba.

  • sws94

    Lin more likely to guard Thompson than Curry.

  • zxcvb

    And refs need to stay out of it. I see a lot of phantom fouls if Lin even breathes near Curry. And Kemba can’t do jack against anyone on defense, much less Steph.

  • JoeTeam

    Very close, to the wire. Hood just that one shot, then GSW are in trouble. Guess they ate too much Turkey.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ya, Lin controls Curry for 4th quarter. Gets subbed out at end of 4th quarter and Curry sinks game winner. Portland & Lillard De Ja Vu

  • CJSHYY

    He’s saving for tomorrow.

  • John Focker

    Lin ACTUALLY did it last year, with the sorry Djangos no less.

  • JoeTeam

    Actually if you read all the news, isn’t the GSW story a relief? I mean, a bunch of guys who work hard for each other and play good bball. A break from all the bad news.

  • anddan

    got into NBA ‘cos Lin… enjoyed team ball… like SAS, GSW… watched GSW game tonight… noticed Iguodala (MVP of the champion final last year) played an usually subtle role, quiet stat-wise … very similar to Lin… is Lin also willing to sacrifice personal glory for the collective good? a very noble act… very coherent to his character… no matter which path he chooses, will support him …

  • JoeTeam

    As they said, he just needs a foot of opening and he nails the 3.

  • John Focker

    Refs/league catching up that if Lin gets 2 PFs in 1st half, Clifford sits him. Easy to take out Hornets top D guy.

  • JoeTeam

    They almost turned it on 30 seconds too late, maybe they did.

  • Rick Johnson

    Walker won’t be able to guard Curry. Lin is the only player on the team that can guard Curry, hopefully without getting phantom calls. Should put Batum on Thompson.

  • John Focker

    No team can be good under Keith Smart.

  • zxcvb

    Yeah, Lin is still playing well and is a vital part of the team’s success. Unfortunately, it’s frustrating to see the prime of his career wasted as he plays the “Iggy in GSW” role. At least Iggy got to beast in PHI first!

    But ultimately, it’s a 1-year contract (player option) and he’s a major rotation player for a major surprise team. And this is the NBA — always one injury or trade away from a starting role. So unpredictable.

  • Rick Johnson

    Yes, GSW and Rockets completely opposite philosophy and going in opposite directions.

  • John Focker

    Yes, but it’s a double-edged sword. Same tactic is also used to promote non-worthy players.

  • John Focker

    I remember seeing the quote here a week or two ago.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Curry will have a big game tomorrow.

  • JoeTeam

    I’ll take that. I’m in!

  • JoeTeam

    Yep, Iggy is a quiet guy who monsters when he needs to. Most of his D is so important. His efficiency really suffers some games, just like Lin, because he has to keep the thread of the D and team play alive. Same with Livingston. GSW are great because they have guys like that – sacrificing stats so the guys with the higher % can rain.

  • sws94

    Still not sure if that was the writer saying that or Clifford. Clifford in his latest interview said he’s not sure what 5 will close and some guys may emerge that haven’t got chances before. Seems up in the air now. Beyond Kemba and Batum, throw names into a hat.

  • kittyhead

    I predict the game will end at halftime due to tri-hot hands keep playing iso! 30pts?

  • JoeTeam

    Where’s Brent? He’s our resident Bogut ref. He’d call that.

  • sws94

    I think Clifford might try Batum, then. I don’t know. Maybe Lin a bit, but I’m not sure how much. Problem with Curry is he doesn’t try to muscle down which Lin is great at. He’s more dribble around, get separation, and then dish or shoot. That’s hard to guard. Even for Lin.

  • sws94

    Wednesday. The Hornets have 2 days off, GSW 1.

  • what if JLin hits the game-winner over Curry with an improbable 3?
    Instant replay for 1 week then JLin gets set as a starter for the rest of season next to Kemba?

    Will you take the deal, Rick and JoeTeam? lol

  • guest

    Just finished watching the replay vs Bucks and another positive of JLin’s play last game was his ability to draw fouls on both sides of the ball when he was in.

  • your son’s voltaire

    you can do that on a championship team, but it’s foolish to do it on a middle-of-the-road team full of ballhogs, what’s worst, is Lin took a huge paycut and so he should be looking to score more than anything right now

  • sws94

    I’d love to see Lin hit a game-winning 3 in Charlotte. This homestand, I wanted him to have a big game but he had more big moments than big games. But if just had that big moment it would be all over Charlotte and everywhere. He’d be trending on twitter as the guy that broke GSW’s record. And be known for being clutch.

    Now the starting with Kemba stuff…er, probably won’t happen.

  • sws94

    Yes, Lin has to be the one with those conditions. And with some luck, anything is possible. But Curry will be up for this game.

    I hope it is super competitive. If they lose, lose in double OT. Make GSW worry some.

  • sws94

    Sadly, that’s probably true. At least in games against Cavs or GSW or other top teams.

  • sws94

    Definitely. He’s not a stats padding type. The greater good.

  • lol.. I said starting next to Kemba; not to replace Kemba

    We might need JLin to hit 9 3s like in 76ers game to have a chance to outduel GSW
    I don’t see Hornets 3PT defense strong enough to slow down GSW

  • JoeTeam

    No siree Bob. A fleeting success with Lin as a Ronin on this team that is not supporting him is not worth the Glory of more GSW wins. I’m convinced now with all the bad news in the world, GSW is a nice crew to keep us hoping in good.

    Isn’t this one of those desert you can have it all questions? Lin will shine for a decade, like TDuncan. No sweat. God is good, he has given us some GSW joy let us use that to give us wins in life too.

  • sws94

    What was their record with that win last year. I remember the win, but I don’t remember GSW’s record. Was that game after ASB?

  • Briiick

    If Lin hits the game-winner over Curry, Cliff would say Lin is doing great in defense which helps us win the game, LOL.

  • sws94

    I edited it to say starting with Kemba. I guess edits don’t show unless we refresh the page. Man, I must have a bunch of incoherent posts without the edits.

  • JoeTeam

    hey I know you lol. Ok, your point is welcome, not sure if I agree.

  • sws94

    I really think that Bench Force 1 is because of Lin so Lin doesn’t move. Lamb will probably move first before Lin is move to the starters for more than a game here or there.

  • your son’s voltaire

    ok fair enough. but what part don’t you agree with?

  • John Focker

    Lakers won 115-105 on December 23rd, before ASG. 9-19 after the win.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400578718

  • JoeTeam

    I mean just on the good news alone, GSW is giving a happy thread this fall that helps us get through it, spin or no spin. For me, it’s a relief to hear Steph talk after readying a day’s (name any day’s) news.

  • lol .. faithful GSW fan

    I meant a turning point for JLin that revived his career and NBA Teams interest next off-season.
    So perhaps a big moment but Clifford still brings him off-the-bench so he will surely leave Hornets next year =)

  • JoeTeam

    I like it when team ball dominates. Life is team – family, work, community. Yep, sometimes you have to shine yourself to get stuff done but it’s not a happy place unless you do it for the people. I doesn’t last.

  • In watching Lin Lakers highlights vs GSW in Dec 2014, he played exceptionally well in defense (drawing charge, steals) plus reading GSW defense to execute PnR well with Ed Davis.

    I think that’s the biggest missing piece in Hornets to see Lin run PnR to perfection.
    Zeller is not even close to 50% Ed Davis in his ability to finish. Hopefully, Hansbrough can be a finisher in Al’s absence
    JLin 11pts/5a/3stls, 3-5 from 3s in 25 min
    LAL-GSW 115-105

  • good point. Silas might know some personnel but totally different system

  • sws94

    OK, a point was made earlier about Lin rebounding and then passing it off to Kemba. I’m watching the last minutes of the game on League Pass and about 3:31 Lin gets a rebound and dribbles it up the court and doesn’t pass it to Kemba to dribble up. So, he doesn’t always pass it toKemba. He dribbles into the paint, draws a 5th foul on Monroe and looked like he was passing it to a cutting Marvin Williams on a drive into the lane.

    So, I see the play where Lin was taken out. The ball was moving around, Williams passed it to Lin who went into a move and looked like he passed up a jump shot and passed it to Batum who was immediately trapped and it was a bad possession. Lin made a bad decision due to the time that was on the shot clock. That’s what Cliff didn’t like.

    Now, when Cliff was talking to Lin it looked like he was just telling Lin what wasn’t right in that possession. It didn’t look like he was lashing out at him like we saw him do with Al in an earlier game.

    I don’t think he deserved to be pulled for that really. Up to that point, he got rebounds, played great defense, wasn’t just stuck in the corner, did move around, drew a foul on a big player of the Bucks, so I don’t think he should have been pulled for just that play. In all fairness, Nic made a bunch of bad plays and passes and bad judgment passes in the same time period so I think Lin should get a pass for that in light of all the other good plays he made. In reviewing this game, Lin played superbly. Almost flaw free and he did not turn the ball over.

  • Acbc

    They psalms, I have 2 comments pending from 4-5 hours ago. No idea why. Can you fix it. I’m going to repost it as a new comment since its been lost in the back pages already.

  • John Focker

    Long way to say double standard. 🙂

  • your son’s voltaire

    double standard. gotcha!

  • sws94

    I have to say, when Lin hits his jump shots early in a game, he usually plays with a lot more confidence. He’s playing with a lot of confidence here and I remember that game where he wasn’t tentative at all. Lin is not necessarily tentative so much now, but doesn’t seem that eager to put up the jumpers. In the game yesterday he hit a 3 and did fine in the first. I thought he’d get 15-18 for the game but he didn’t score in the second, just didn’t shoot much or get to the line.

    GSW is playing better now than then. It’s a different team. But I hope Lin just has a groove, plays well, and if the game is as close as the Utah game is, then Charlotte can hang with the best teams. It’s a big test. Don’t get blown out in your own building.

    Agree about Ed. Ed and Lin were magic. One of the players he had the best chemistry with of everyone he played with.

  • sws94

    Look at Clarkson’s play? Are they kidding? Clarkson was the recipient of a ball tapped away by Lin. Nothing wrong with liking Clarkson’s speed and finish, but that play started with Lin.

  • LAL announcers got the memo to adore Clarkson.
    Unbiased announcer would say, “Great steal by JLin! Wonderful finish by Clarkson”

    At least Stephanie Ready is ready for say, “Lin is so goooood”

  • and one of the least utilized… i remember scott engineering minutes so they woudln’t be able to play together. so bizarre.

  • kittyhead

    lol I’m really tired of seeing people trying to make excuses for Cliiford no matter it’s right or not. Anyway the standard applied to Lin is he must be 100% perfect to stay on court and enjoy his 20 mins!

  • John Focker

    Lakers were tanking, makes perfect sense to NOT use your best duo.

  • sws94

    MInd boggling. But that’s Scott for you.

  • sws94

    They still are. Scott, the best tank driver.

  • ok, sorry about that.. Disqus is sometimes weird
    I freed them but it’s good that you reposted

  • John Focker

    Like…EVAH!

  • sws94

    Stephanie Ready is ready. Yeah!

  • sws94

    Oh yes, the highlights are posted above. Ronnie Price was the starting PG that day.

    Lin’s stats aren’t even impressive but he made huge plays at huge times and was a big part of the win.

  • sws94

    And teams need leaders. Lin is a natural leader, sometimes quiet, sometimes, not so much. Like, I’ll grab that board and this time really map out a play because my coach doesn’t know how to not so much.

  • guest

    At the 5:50 time out, 4th quarter I think Ive seen a highlight of the first “hand shake” with a teammate, Jeremy and Frank. Can anyone confirm? Or has he already been shown doing different handshakes with a hornets teammate?

  • rookie75094

    Clifford will try to prove the hornets can win without Jlin. ..dnp-cd.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i know a lot of you will probably disagree but i feel that Lin has to score, and do a LOT of it. and i mean the way Bledsoe and IT does. he has to do this first and then once he gains the respect of his teammates, he can start playing the team-style basketball that he loves so much. you see, there are 4 other isolation players on the team ahead of Lin on the depth chart and they all feel that they can score without Lin’s assistance. so they’re not going to readily defer to Lin. this team’s makeup is nothing like the Linsanity group we’re use to. they are much more talented one-on-one scorers and the whole team concept may seem foreign to them. for Lin to reel them in, he’s gonna need to show them that he is the ALPHA DOG first, and once that happens, he can then direct traffic and expect results

  • Maknusia

    Its a speculated lost anyways…unless CC comes up with some Lingical plays that throws GSW off their bearing

  • sws94

    Who are the ISO players? Kemba is something of one, not totally so who do you think are the four?

  • your son’s voltaire

    Kemba, Big Al, Batum, Lamb. they’re all isolation type players. but Batum and Lamb can also play team ball if everyone else on the team does it. Kemba and Big Al won’t be so easily converted

  • Maknusia

    And their 3s was crazy as well…that kept them in their game…else it would have been Jazz

  • JJ Hui

    I guess the coach and whoever wants to protect Kemba ( MJ shoe deal and face of Hornets) so that Lin wont take his spotlight. After the OT win, Lin didnt get to play more for the reward but less minute. And when Kemba and Lin play together, Kemba iced Lin out, it is so obvious!
    Also, Now CC got the contract extention, he changed. So to sump it up, at present he is a liar! Lets see what the near future turns out if he is a true liar!

  • sws94

    Batum isn’t an ISO player, he’s actually a good passer except he turns it over on passes too much. Lamb gets a little silly sometimes but can be whipped into shape. Al is more the traditional post player learning more aspects of the game. I can’t complain about Al because many times he has looked for Lin on give and go’s and work them out successfully with him.

    Lin’s role isn’t to always score. It’s to run the offense in the 2nd unit. If he gets guys good looks, and if after the first unit digs the hole his unit gets a lead, he’s done his job whether he scores the points or he assists or orchestrates them. With Kemba, I’m not sure what his role is. And that’s the few times he gets to play with Al. He always seems to play with Batum, but that’s not too bad. They finally have some chemistry now.

  • grover chang

    I agree to a certain extent. Lin’s teammates need to feel confident in him or they will not follow his lead. Everyone appreciates scoring. The subtle plays may go over his teammates heads. Ironically his teammates were raised on Jordan scoring highlights not the other little things championship teams do. Early on I said Lin needs to shoot more. Then he shot more. Then he missed his shots. Then he was on the bench.

    Lamb was the opposite. He shot, SCORED, got elevated on the team, and paid.

  • Maknusia

    You should continue saying it…you stop …he stops as well 😉

  • bolero

    I think he did one with MW just like with Parson..

  • sws94

    Lamb was pulled for Lin in the 4th. Although he plays a lot because he can score, he can get pulled for Lin. I don’t know, I still see Lamb as Lin’s best team mate to play with. Lin has only made one lob to a different team mate. Batum. His 5 or so lobs that I remember were all to Lamb. A lot of Lin’s assists go to Lamb. Clifford needs to trust Lin with Lamb more and drop Kemba’s minutes some. But Kemba is playing at a higher level than normal. So maybe that’s why Lin’s minutes are down some.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i didn’t say it’s gonna be easy lol. Lin isn’t getting a fair treatment
    from clifford. that’s for sure. it’s gonna be an uphill battle to gain
    the respects of his teammates as well as the coach

  • sws94

    What don’t you think he has the respect of his teammates? Do they believe if they give him the ball he’ll score or make a play? Not sure. But, they know he can make plays. He’s done enough for them to see that. And he’s done enough against some of them to see that as well. Batum, Jefferson and Kemba were all lit up by Lin playing against them.

  • bolero

    Cliff: you screwed up.
    Lin: My bad..

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’m saying Lin can lead this team, not to be satisfied coming off the bench as the 9th man

  • sws94

    He’s the 6th or 7th man. He comes off the bench 9th, yes, but he’s the 6th man some nights, 7th some nights. He leads at times. He’ll lead more. Don’t know when, it’s not time yet. It’ll happen. I think so.

  • John Focker

    Little trivia here on 2007 NBA draft.

    10) Spencer Hawes
    11) Acie Law
    .
    .
    48) Marc Gasol

    So much for the NBA scouts and experts.

  • sws94

    I want to see Bench Force captained by Lin on the court longer. Kemba the captain can rest more. Might happen when Kemba cools off and according to Charlotte fans, he will cool off.

  • your son’s voltaire

    don’t you see Batum and Kemba ignoring him most of the time? he’s standing in the corner waiting for the sun to come up. but when Lin is aggressive, his teammates defer to him, even Batum. so he needs to be more aggressive and score a lot to gain the respect one needs to continue to handle the ball and be the primary facilitator on the team

  • grover chang

    What is a little sad is I stopped defining games by Linsanity standards. I don’t look for him to score a lot of points, create the big highlights, the no look passes, have long extended minutes, excited crowds, or big celebration from the bench. After 3 1/4 long seasons post Linsanity I look to see if Lin stayed true to his faith and played hard with a good attitude. Wishing for Linsanity 2.0 seems as large as a mountain. Who could move mountains?

  • sws94

    Yes.

    Also, I think some of them just aren’t on his speed. Kam and Zeller and especially Hawes should be ready to catch the ball when Lin drives and dishes to them. They fumble it and act surprised tha they get it. Only MW seems ready when he gets it from Lin. The big guys have to step up. Lin doesn’t have the best big men to play with.

  • your son’s voltaire

    MW and Cody are what i’d call a Linsanty type player. Lamb can be too, but only when the whole team plays that way, cus sometimes forget get goes isolation

  • grover chang

    I really liked what I saw from Gordat tonight against GSW. He has the length and hands that usually make great big men for Lin to play with.

  • sws94

    Yeah. There’s some Linsanity mode games though. The OT in the Kings game. The 4Q in the first Knicks game. But better things are coming. Let’s hope and pray Lin stays healthy. Opportunities have a way of presenting themselves with Lin.

  • Maknusia

    Lin will figure it out…..Lets see how Dec goes

  • sws94

    Lamb tries to do too much and he doesn’t have the IG or tools yet to do so. He needs to just take Lin’s lead and he’ll look like a star. MW is good, Cody is clumsy but OK in his on rite. I hope to see MW taking Lin’s lobs soon. I think he jumps OK and if Lin draws defenders and MW is near the paint, Lin can throw up some lobs to him. Lamb can do the longer range lobs on the run.

  • grover chang

    So like you I am here….. waiting.

  • sws94

    That’s IQ for Lamb.

  • sws94

    That’s all we can do.

  • sws94

    LOL. Spencer. At least Acie looks menacing.

  • sws94

    In whatever league he is in now.

  • your son’s voltaire

    id say the best Hornets lineup would include those guys plus Batum (if he plays along).. Cody, MW, Batum, Lamb, Lin

  • sws94

    That’s how they get back and how they build big leads. Curry leads them, but a lot of guys can knock them down.

  • sws94

    Good lineup. Very good. Hope Batum doesn’t throw too many bad passes though.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well, that’s the thing i’m getting at. if Lin plays aggressive and shows that he’s the ALPHA DOG on the team, then Batum wouldn’t feel the need to be the primary distributor. plus, im sure clifford is telling him to handle the ball more since he obviously is capable of doing. it’s just not good basketball when a much slower guy on the team is handling the ball most of the time, turnovers are bound to happen

  • Maknusia

    I would like to see Hornets do the same with spread floor and get TD in there as well

  • John Focker

    Batum’s gotten a bit better with passing to Lin over time.

  • John Focker

    You can borrow my Edit link if you ran out… 🙂

  • rookie75094

    I have a theory why Jlin is suffering alot of Hate because of his awsome skills and his Clutch play ,especially in the fourth quarter. The race – based hating of Jlin is a different Animal altogether .

  • sws94

    It all depends on the coach. In Cliff’s vision, is it Kemba/Batum/Lin handling the facilitating in that order? I think so. What emerges can change with each game. So, yeah, Lin should be aggressive to show that good results happen most of the time when he handles facilitation. If his 2nd unit shines, that’s good. When he’s with Kemba, his role is not defined so well.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well yeah. in the last game Batum was hitting like 1 for 10 or something and didn’t wanted to take the shots. but Lin kept passing it back to Batum and got pulled for it. doh!

  • sws94

    When he’s in the mood. Batum is kind of a strange guy and player. But sometimes he seems to like passing to Lin. Sometimes not.

  • sws94

    They need him. Dust him off. Daniels needs to play in a real game and not just garbage time.

  • John Focker

    I don’t think he’s with ANY team at all currently.

  • Maknusia

    What’s even more surprising though is that the Hornets currently have the league’s seventh-best offense (102.5 points) and are also the second highest-scoring team at home in the Eastern Conference (105.7 points), behind only the Cleveland Cavaliers. Last season, Charlotte put up just 94.2 points, which was third-worst in the league and better than only the Philadelphia 76ers and New York Knicks. The Hornets also averaged just 95.0 points at home, which was ranked second-to-last in the NBA, ahead of just the Knicks. Along with the improved play of Marvin Williams, the offseason additions of Nicolas Batum, Jeremy Lamb and Jeremy Lin have been a major reason for the immense offensive turnaround in Charlotte.

    The Hornets will be presented a unique test to see how good they really are this week when the defending NBA Champion Golden State Warriors make their lone regular season appearance in Charlotte on Wednesday night. Currently the owners of a perfect 18-0 record, the Warriors are off to the best start in league history and have won a total of 21-consecutive games dating back to the NBA Finals last June. Assuming Golden State can beat the Utah Jazz on Monday night, the Hornets will be next in line to take a shot at knocking the Warriors from the ranks of the unbeaten.

    Another interesting dynamic to this game is the return of Charlotte’s own Stephen Curry, who starred at nearby Charlotte Christian School and Davidson College prior to being selected seventh overall in the 2009 NBA Draft by the Warriors. Curry will be making the annual pilgrimage to his hometown the same night the Hornets will also be honoring his father, Dell Curry, who is a longtime member of the Hornets organization. The elder Curry, who played for the Hornets from 1988-98 and currently serves as the team’s color commentator on its Fox Sports Southeast broadcast, is still the franchise’s all-time leader in points (9,839), games played (701), field goals made (3,951), three-pointers made (929) and double-figure scoring games (522). Dell Curry also won the NBA’s Sixth Man Award at the end of the 1993-94 season, making him the first and (as of now) only member of the organization to garner this particular honor.

    The true beauty of this game with the Warriors lies in the fact that not only do the Hornets have a chance to do something no other team in the league has done this season, but they could also forever immortalize themselves as a footnote in the NBA record books as the team that ended the best start by any team in history. In what will surely be an exciting, yet emotional evening, on Wednesday night, the Hornets showdown against the Golden State Warriors will also certainly serve as an early indicator of not only where this team ranks amongst the NBA’s best, but also just how far it has come in such a short amount of time.

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/latest-buzz-golden-opportunity-awaits-against-warriors

  • CJSHYY
  • Maknusia

    Charlotte Hornets – Jeremy Lin the Difference Between Winning & Losing – By Greg

    The Charlotte Hornets beating the Milwaukee Bucks 87-82 was achieved in part due to Jeremy Lin having a fantastic first half to carry the team to a lead they wouldn’t let go of, although his fourth quarter will be another one that won’t show his contribution on the box score, getting taken off just before the finish.

    Lin finished with 7 points in 22 minutes, shooting just 1-of-4 from the field and adding 3 rebounds and 4 assists. He once again played excellent defense and his ability to get the team running to cancel out the Bucks’ very good defense in the first half was the reason the Hornets could control the game in the second half with the lead on their side. Lin missed shots in the second half and didn’t get to the line; his shooting is certainly an issue to be worried about right now. But he does so much more for this team during his minutes.

    Lin was taken off the floor for good with 2:08 left in the game, with the Hornets leading by four points. Guess what happened? They lost the lead, with Kemba Walker and Nicolas Batum missing three times in one possession. When the game was tied, the Hornets finally managed to pull away on a Batum 3-pointer and Walker finishing the job as the Bucks defense looked confused about who to defend. Walker led the Hornets with 22 points, Batum scored 15 on another bad shooting night (4-of-13 from the field).

    Compared to the previous games, Lin staying on the floor for most of the fourth quarter is an improvement, and he finished the game with a +10, behind only Frank Kaminsky and Jeremy Lamb, who Lin helped get going in the second quarter, doing the same for other players. Lamb works at his best with Lin finding him on open slots around the perimeter or behind defenses, finishing with 14 points. He looks a lot less effective with Batum and Walker playing with him on the perimeter, both of them slightly eating into his territory and not being the passers Lin is.

    But again, why did Clifford take off Lin? He missed three shots, something that happens. He didn’t take poor shots and maybe more importantly, considering how Clifford seems to work, he didn’t turn the ball over. The Hornets almost immediately become a worse team once Lin leaves the game, even if he isn’t having a good shooting day. Lin isn’t the kind of player to try and shoot himself out of a slump. For better and worse (sometimes you need to be selfish), Lin usually gets himself going by creating opportunities for others, and in the last season or two, through defense as well.

    Lin hitting a three is encouraging considering his shooting numbers lately (only 37.5% from the field in the last nine games) and he should be trying a little bit more to get to the basket, which usually helps him get hotter for the longer shots, but once again, in the short time he was on the floor compared to others, he showed what an invaluable piece of the puzzle he is, even when he’s not scoring. Unlike Walker and Batum, he’s not hurting the team when he’s having a bad shooting day.

  • John Focker

    Trade Al to Portland for Ed Davis + picks.

  • Yes!
    Playoff seed will go up from #7 to #3 with Lin/Davis

  • CJSHYY

    Ed Davis has been played well for Portland so I doubt they want to let him go….

  • John Focker

    Greg and Chris Baldwin are the most loyal Lin advocates in the press business.

  • John Focker

    LEd connection, baby!!!

  • kittyhead

    AL is a respectable player whom I like. It’s a shame his style doesnt fit the small ball trend and his defense is a problem.

  • Maknusia
  • LinMad

    Cliff should just sit Lin out one game. Give him a DNP-CD and see what happens to the 2nd unit when Kemba/Batum are playing main PG. If he doesn’t trust Lin with the ball, why not just sit him out one game and see how Kemba/Batum does without Lin. Better yet, let Batum run the 2nd unit cause to me it looks like Lin only gets like 5 minutes or less with the 2nd unit all by himself. The rest are shared with Kemba and/or Batum on the floor and Lin becomes the 3rd or 4th option.

    Then the next game he should allow Lin to play all 15-22 minutes as main PG for 2nd unit and see what happens. Do this a few times, compare the stats to see which lineup is better. Is it better that a tired Kemba leads the 2nd unit or a turnover machine Batum leads the 2nd unit or Jeremy Lin?

  • John Focker

    Byron, that you?

  • Maknusia

    refresh if the picture is not turning up 😉

  • I tweeted Lin/Davis highlights to Pete Guelli once but he’s a marketing guy so who knows if they’re aware of it

    Lin/Davis reunited under MDA system would be a dream come true.
    But MDA needs a job first *sigh*

  • kittyhead

    The tanking king can try 82 rotations for 82 games. : )

  • Maknusia

    Yup…and I always liked they way hey presented their case

  • LinMad

    lol no. I didn’t like when Byron DNP-CD Lin, but seriously, I want Cliff to experiment with this so he can trust Lin. Cause right now, he doesn’t. So do the experiment and learn from it rather than neglecting Lin’s skills and capabilities like he is now. I’m tired of seeing Batum or Kemba running the 2nd unit when Lin should be. When Lin runs the 2nd unit, everyone does well including Hawes and Lamb. When Kemba/Batum runs the 2nd unit, it gets ugly for Lin/Lamb cause they rarely get to shoot.

  • CJSHYY

    I like Al too but the timing seems to be a little bit coincident w trade starts 12/15…. plus Team has been learning to play without Al this season. AS coach also said Faminsky will have more playing time as season moves….

  • So even the most athletic big men by Utah didn’t work out vs GSW
    I wonder what the game plan for GSW will be to even have a chance to keep up

    Lin/Hansbrough PnR *cough*
    https://twitter.com/AdiJoseph/status/671560361833840640

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! They sure are….

  • wow.. how come it looks so faded?
    this a retro style?

  • CJSHYY

    Jazz almost could do it…

  • CJSHYY

    They don’t even play for x’mas game?

  • LinMad

    $$$$$$$$

  • yes, very close .. the boxscore said Utah only won team stats on steals (9 vs 2) and TOs (8 vs 15)

    perhaps that might be a clue. Lots of steals & fastbreak.
    The minimize 2nd-shot opportunities with collective rebounding + Hansbrough.

  • Maknusia

    sure…the others are here
    http://www.nbajerseys.us/charlotte-hornets

  • Maknusia

    perimeter defense and 3 ball shooting would be the key for Linets

  • CJSHYY

    If so they do need Lin but not really sure Cliff will let Lin be the main guy to vs GSW… I doubt…Maybe these two days Cliff & Lin can work out that talk on Sun game… smh!

  • CJSHYY

    We don’t have as many as good shooters like GSW.

  • occupatio

    this is an exaggeration. the jazz almost won. one game, especially a close one, doesnt prove anything.

  • if only Clifford asks Lin to be the Top 3 scorer ..

  • kittyhead

    Even so I dont know if the Hornets will trade AL for some assets…I remember it was MJ who asked them to sign him? He did help them advance to playoffs. In addition, what team will need him?

  • Lx

    :/ I wanna buy it.. but he might leave this team.

  • CJSHYY

    True.

  • kittyhead

    If Mr. Lin has a breakout game and shoot 3s like 10-11…maybe they have a slim hope to defeat the Warriors.

  • Michael

    If they try Alfense he may get his, but they will lose.If Lin can get their screeners in foul trouble early, they might have a chance. I have a feeling that Batum is going to limit his TO’s by taking better care of the ball, meaning…..thou shalt not pass. = =. Not sleeping for this game.

  • CJSHYY

    Why only Lin has x’mas jersey? Didn’t see anyone else….

  • W-L records for all JLin’s NBA teams he ever played for:

    1. GSW 19-0
    2. Hornets 10-7
    3. Mavs 10-8 (summer league)
    —————– Playoff Line ——————-
    4. Knicks 8-10
    5. Rockets 7-11
    6. Lakers 2-14

  • Michael

    …and I just read that Al will be out for a few weeks, how sad 〜( ̄▽ ̄〜)

  • Maknusia

    we have couple of 3 pointers, including TD….with better floor spread, I think we could make an impact

  • Maknusia

    oh man! there goes any hope that we had!

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff is a very stubborn guy… he will use the same players like last game bc they won.

  • Maknusia

    we have no control over CC’s decision…lol…hope for the best…lets see…for sure its gonna be interesting

  • bad for Al for sure .. but it could blessing in disguise to free Hansbrough as a rebounding monster

    just make sure you nap for Q4 =)

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff will not dare to let Lin be the guy to in charge the game like that OT again. It’s going to be Kemba show… bc this game they probably don’t think they will win.

  • DX

    Cliff isn’t BS. He won’t do that. How to say? I think Cliff is doing some balance. Nred Lin help but don’t want Lin take thunder from Kemba or Batum, so make them unhappy. Cilff still need Lin, so he won’t make Lin too upset. Maybe also relate to GM if extend or trade Lin. Too complicate.

  • Maknusia

    I dont think CC is after Lin to ensure he doesnt get his stat

  • CJSHYY

    Not stats but the guy who in charge like that OT.

  • CJSHYY

    In NBA just like Cliff said everything can change within one day….

  • james brown

    that’s precisely what i am saying to those who says rightnow that coach cliff is just experimenting..no longer doing that because he already got the extension and stability on his coaching job. Now, the bargain for being extended is giving in to the whims and request of FO whether it is right or not, Cliff just adapt and acts like lets see what happen.

    I saw the last game 4rth quarter before the lin sub and i guess what troubles Cliff was that sometimes Lin seems not wanting to shoot the ball…I believe Cliff wants all his player to have points on their stats, but sensing one player not shooting seems a little childish for a reason to yank a player. JLIN was good on his individual and team defense, so maybe Cliff as true to his words FOUND AWAY TO INSERT LAMB when JLin refused to shoot!

  • james brown

    to them JLIN is NOT A star!

  • james brown

    go go go KW!!!!cliff shout with a loud voice
    JLIN go to corner , STAND there and stay,
    Let Batum and Kemba run the offense
    Jeremy be sure spread the floor.

    Run, Run, Run..go back for defense
    you need to guard 5 players so i have reason to play you
    then after your 20 minutes of played is up
    my [Cliff] promised to you ALSO STOPPED!!!

    BOW!!!
    LOL

  • Spot

    Best case scenario. 3 teams trade:

    Portland: Jefferson
    Charlotte: Brook Lopez, Jarret Jack
    Nets: Lin, Lamb, Kaminsky, Davis.

    D’Antoni coach of the Nets 🙂

  • james brown

    observation in Poetry: LOL

    The Promise
    by Coach Clifford

    go go go KW!!!!cliff shout with a loud voice
    JLIN go to corner , STAND there and stay,
    Let Batum and Kemba run the offense
    Jeremy be sure spread the floor.

    Run, Run, Run..go back for defense
    you need to guard 5 players so i have reason to play you
    then after your 20 minutes of played is up
    my [Cliff] promised to you ALSO STOPPED!!!

    BOW!!!

  • Spot

    Bad shooting night for Warriors. Happens.

    That’s the only way you could stop them. When they miss 3s.

  • PETE B

    I honestly wondered if Clifford was tanking then

  • Lin Win

    Big Al isn’t iso. He is a postup player and he is good at the low post. There shouldn’t be any criticism towards him since he’s playing the most consistent game i’ve seen so far.

  • sport

    Only Jerseys? Do they have chrismas Tees? This Off White + Teal looks super cool but I’m not going to buy it. NBA wants to use Lin to make money but not allow him to be a starter nor chance to be a star. No thank you!

  • kittyhead

    Have you checked the nba or JL board on PTT? lol I think only PTT users know LED connection?

  • Maknusia

    Passes Made by a player….this shows the team ball that one plays

  • John Focker

    Taiwan media in general LOVES coming up with this type of contractions. Not a fan of PTT.

  • Maknusia

    Passes Received by a player…this shows how often the person is involved in offensive system

  • Spot

    There’s no Christmas Jersey for the Hornets cause they don’t play on Christmas 🙂

    There aren’t neither Jeremy’s Swingman Jersey on their site!

    Anyway, it’s counterfeit, no money to Charlotte, you can get it! 🙂

  • John Focker

    Linsanity 2: MDA’s Revenge in NY (Brooklyn), coming to a stadium near you summer of 2016.

  • John Focker

    I assume you’ve balanced the salaries…

  • John Focker

    Only if Lin’s closing. We should wake up @Michael otherwise.

  • LAJane

    I don’t think Clifford’s rotations have anything tho do with trust at all. He’s perfectly aware of Lin’s skill and value. IMHO this is all about team politics – playing contract players first. Jeremy doesn’t defer because it’s his nature (such an annoying assertion by some) but because being the glue is what is being asked of him. Shoving himself down throats (another annoying thing some want from him) will only earn him the displeasure of management and real mistrust from his “teammates”. Many guys talk the “team” talk, and no doubt most of them truly believe they mean it, but what they default to on the court reveals what they’re actually capable of, and in my opinion none of them rise to the bar Lin sets…at least not yet (my optimism fades here). Cliff will do what he believes he has to in the “bigger-than-just-Jeremy” picture, and Jeremy will do what he always does – be brilliant at milking the space he’s given.

  • Spot

    Nope 🙂

    Probably I have to drop Jack and put Larkin. And, in case, you can put Daniels instead of Lamb.

    I can’t do that on Trade Machine now cause Jeremy and Davis for example cannot be traded at the moment 🙂

  • LAJane

    Oh please don’t start with that awful “alpha dog” stuff! We’ve been over this a billion times over the years! The adults have tried to point out the MANY reasons this teen-testosterone idea is so irrational. There isn’t a single “star” in the NBA whose talent has not had support from management. They may like to promote themselves as having clawed and trampled their way to the top, but NOTHING is accomplished alone. Ever. Never mind recapping all the examples of what kinds of owner, GM, coach, the luck of competent teammates, and changed NBA rules did for various players’ dominance – just look right here at the Hornets and see in Kemba how a competent player is being promoted above his pay grade by committed management. Lin has done a superhuman job of remaining positive and has succeeded in playing above all expectation in hostile circumstances. THAT is what alpha is!

  • John Focker

    Many would talk about playing teamball, some even mean it (but without understanding what it actually entails), but currently less than five teams in the league actually execute it.

  • John Focker

    That’s right. Let the alpha crap die off with Kobe’s retirement announcement.

  • sport

    Watch at this rate more of Hornets starters will fall down and give Lin the chance to rise to the top!

  • adele

    Cliff is going to use Lin for defense and spot up shooter. This way, he can help with the win without the stats and be a facilitator to the stars. Its like the royalties need their buttler and chambermaids, the stars need support and that’s Lin’s role at this point, at this team. That’s the kind of coaching Clifford is having. He really knows how to use Lin. We as fans are duped.

  • adele

    Clifford already figured it out on how to use Lin. No matter what we say won’t change his ways. Lin will be used for defense to make up for Kemba’s and Lamb’s lack of defense. We can only wish and pray but thats reality.

  • adele

    Agree. Lin should decide and talk to his agent what’s the best move to take from here.

  • adele

    Thats when miracle happens. But then Clifford or the team might decide to tank. They’re not like new york who wants a win so bad. Specially if they’re out of the play off contention?

  • Brent Yen

    Shooting form is like religion…lol…..never discuss it…..JUST KIDDING!

  • adele

    We can dream and pray for that to happen.

  • Acbc

    We have no hope then…sigh. Not watching then.

  • Acbc

    The type of team that can beat them is one with a couple of athletic SFs that can blanket the perimeter with a fierce shot blocker at the rim.

    I watched the Raptors beat Cleveland with great defensive effort from Carroll. He hounded Lebron and made him work so hard for his points.

    Stef Curry is a great shooter, a game changer but he still misses 56% of the time from the 3s. It’s up to opponents to be in his face like Carroll was against Lebron. Make them earn their points. Take Stef off the 3 line where he can beat you with his superior skills, and beat him with the fact that he’s not a superior athlete. Trade 2s instead of 3s and you have a chance.

  • Acbc

    I hope they erect a statue of kobe next to a hydrant for him so that we can all piss on it.

  • kjch

    Hmm I kind of get your alpha idea, but don’t you think the China trip should have already given Lin this alpha status you talked about? He did play like an “alpha dog” lol and if that didn’t help him gain respect and alpha status with his teammates, then I’m sure seeing millions of fans screaming for him probably did lol…

  • If Clifford goes with his regular rotation of Hairston/MWilliams/Batum to guard Curry, it might still not be enough.
    GSW is so adept in setting screens to get going and Hornets switching is not up to par yet.

    But yes, all they can hope is Curry to have a little off day & quite solid 3PT defense.
    Plus everyone getting hot from 3s like they did vs CHI Bulls

  • If Linsanity can happen in NY, the MDA/Lin uprising in Nets is certainly possible

  • Good overview of little things that the Jazz did to make it tougher for GSW to run their offense
    – Come out for Curry/Green

    – Cut Draymond’s path to basket
    – Help D to leave non-shooter Ezuli & block Klay’s path to the rim

    https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/671702259739303936

  • wu kong

    For anyone interested… A burning write up on Houston http://www.houstonpress.com/news/this-houston-rockets-thing-is-going-nowhere-7966368

  • Acbc

    Lol, you’re probably too young to remember how we were taught to shoot foul shots with 2 hands underhand throwing it up through our wide open legs. My old coach shot two handed jump shots square to the basket like a soccer throw from the sideline. My coach played for the Hungarian national team and I’m sure that this form was as the best form for shooting because it was deemed more efficient. This shooting form is really a “girly” form. Lol.

    Logically it made sense. The modern shot with a single arm propulsion puts the spine off line simply because one arm has to be higher than the other. Once you lower one shoulder, you must make compensations to realigne the body underneath it. This was invented by necessity to raise the ball as high as possible to shoot midrange jump shots as close as possible to the rim.

    Form follows function. Religion and politics definately is extremely difficult to talk about. Lol

  • Maknusia

    lol…if the coaching staff…dont/wont make their player accountable…they aint going anywhere soon

  • 1mtoldman

    looking at hornet sked from win loss% rather than point differential of opponents comes up with a similar scenario.

    teams hornets have beaten have a cumulative 60% loss total.
    teams hornets have lost to have a cumulative 60% win total.

    teams in hornets next 8 scheduled games have a cumulative 60% win total.

  • Maknusia

    so….what do you conclude?…lol

  • 1mtoldman

    jazz could use a point guard; actually they could use any guards. no guards of any consequence/and or perpetually injured.

  • 1mtoldman

    i report. you decide.

  • Maknusia

    i thought you gonna help me to decide….just kiddin mate…..is it game time yet?

  • I thought they’re committed to Dante Exum and Trey Burke?

  • Dorothy

    This comment on Hornets FB sheds some light of why Lin was heavily used at pre-season and it makes sense, but very sad and makes me very mad:
    “He has proven himself during preseason by leading the team for straight wins but looks like he was used only for marketing purposes to sell boardcasting rights to asian countries during pre-season. too sad but it is true.”

  • DX

    In every few games, Jeremy Lin decides to take over and win a game for the Charlotte Hornets. Making clutch baskets and facilitating the ball as well as any player on the team.

    Then, in a few games Lin will seemingly struggle to knock down his shot consistently while still being able to assist teammates in scoring. Though he remains to be one of the best offensive and energetic players on the roster, another Jeremy continues to play alongside of Lin in as well as carve out a place for himself.

    http://swarmandsting.com/2015/12/01/charlotte-hornets-jeremy-lamb-diamond-rough/

  • sws94

    They seem to be doing the job in that system. To me, they are Hayward centric and bigs centric. I don’t see Lin on that team so much.

  • DX

    In the same article by Sports Vice, the former assistant coach of the Los Angeles Lakers was quoted in saying, “One of the biggest things, the way the league is going, is that he can play two spots. So he could both play with [Hornets starting point guard] Kemba [Walker], and then he can play as the point guard…. I’ve always liked the way that he played, and then, working for Mike d’Antoni, Mike always wanted to find a way to get him on his team again.”

    http://www.vinereport.com/article/nba.news.jeremy.lin.trading.rumors.still.persist/5245.htm

  • CJSHYY
  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Don’t be surprised if Charlotte make a trade to acquire a wing to replace P.J Hairston…and this guy will at least be better than P.J, so he’ll probably average more than 20 minutes per game…and this would mean even less time for Lin since the new guy will probably be better defender than P.J and better offensively.

    If this were to come true, Lin would only play Kemba’s rest-time minute which is about 8-10 minutes since Kemba has been playing close to 40minute the past 4 game.

  • sws94

    So now we have to be worried about players that aren’t even playing for Charlotte to impact and lessen Lin’s playing time? Why do this to ourselves? Why?

  • Al

    Lin’s time will only increase if he can shoot better. After all it is about putting the ball in the basket.

  • Spot

    Nope. They’re tied to MKG. They should trade him too to get that player. Unlikely.

  • Spot

    Warriors were without Barnes. A bad shooting night happen to anyone. If Green had hit half of his shots it would’ve been another blowout.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    You can simply ignore my post

    I get it, you’ll an ultimate optimist…I can only deal with what I see now and I’ve seen a pattern developing…that was a while ago and things have only re-enforced themselves since than..Nothing has changed my mind thus far.

    40 minutes for Kemba in the past 4 games…increasing minute for Lamb..and Lin’s minute staying in a range of 18-22.

    I’m a reasonable Lin fan so I’ll say this…Lamb and Kemba deserve their minutes since they’ve outplayed Lin by a mile…but at the same time, as a Lin fan, there’s not much for me to root for since Lin’s minute is slowly evaporating…And I’m starting to wonder whether he made the right choice since he’s not getting enough minute to get going.

    Things can still change for Lin but he’ll have to play like he did 4 years ago with the Knicks and do it with very little time.

    I’m still hoping for that…but even average night won’t do it for him since developing Lamb and making sure Kemba makes the all-star is much more important.

    In the main time, if you think I’m too pessimistic, you can always ignore me..

  • wu kong

    “After all it is about putting the ball in the basket.” The James Harden school of basketball… We train the best one sided basketball players in the universe. Cornerstones awarded upon graduation.

  • Maknusia

    Number of drives to the rim..

  • wu kong

    Team rankings ~ 18 games in for most teams….

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    If Charlotte can keep winning, they will surely make a trade for a wing…maybe something that is better than P.J but not good enough to replace MKG in the long term.

    I don’t think they will stand still if there’s a chance to improve the team playoff chances…P.J is simply not good enough to be a starter and you could even make an argument he wouldn’t be on any other NBA team rotation.

    Maybe a wing like Barnes, Turner or Bradley..although Bradley.Turner are both good enough to displace MKG, because they are much better offensively…so maybe not a wing that good.

  • Spot

    Lin would play if he’s tall. Size matters for Clifford. He thinks short guys can’t defend big guys like Thompson and viceversa.

  • Spot

    If Bradley goes to Charlotte I’d celebrate all night cause Jeremy goes to Boston! 🙂

    Let’s face things as they are at the moment. It’s not healthy to imagine what could be or could’ve been. I know that from experience 😉

    They are happy to simply make the play-off.

  • wu kong

    so some new stats here to consider

    PW and PL are what should be the wins losses for a team based on stats… notice CHA should have one more win based on stats Rockets should have one more loss ( I like to think it should have been a loss to the 76’s poor team needed a win)

    SOS Strength of Schedule – negative number easier schedule, positive number more difficult schedule. This gives you an idea of whether the wins so far are based on an easy schedule or not. Charlotte has had a mildly easy schedule so far similar to Rockets. Golden State has had a really easy schedule so far. NOP and Bulls the hardest. This value shifts as teams win and lose.

    SRS a ranking system supposedly letting you know how good the team is in comparison to other teams… not a simple win loss ranking but weighting the ranking based on SOS and the points differential in each game played.

    So CHA has had a mild SOS so far but is doing well on the SRS ranking. things are looking good for the team. next few games will be telling as the SOS ramps up.

  • sws94

    I think I’m just more patient and not so worried about Lin’s playing time.

    Situation is, Lin again is on a new team, there are other talented players on it, some are playing above their norm, some of the regular guys like Kemba, some are shooting well like Lamb. Lin’s defense is still valued and needed, Lin’s offense hasn’t even clicked in yet and he’s getting decent playing time in most games. And Kemba will fall off and maybe Lamb will revert some soon and Lin can emerge.

    It’s all about patience. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Lin has qualities that aid the Hornets. And we’ve seen this before, Lin not being used as much as is optimum and then something happens and he’s needed. Then he often soars.

    But creating scenarios where Lin gets next to no playing time for players that don’t even exist on the team just makes no sense to me. Heck, a new player that replaces PJ could click with Lin too. Any new players with Lin could click with him. We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it to see if it is a positive or negative. Why create a negative from an unknown?

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I’m now in favor of trading Lin, but I doubt the Hornets will do it since he’s very cheap and I doubt they’d be able to get a PG that is better than Lin who would also gladly back-up kemba..

    Also, I made a mistake..Avery bradley is not a wing since he’s only 6’2…He’s also having a very good season, so I doubt Boston trade him.

  • wu kong

    Convert that to drives per 36…. Kemba 7.5 JLin 10.4! wow!

  • CJSHYY
  • sws94

    Really? How about if Kemba falls off to his norm and Kemba’s time decreases? What if Lin starts racking up APG? What if he starts having monster 4th quarters in assists and hits big shots? He wil shoot better. But it isn’t the only aspect of the game where he contributes. And, really, he’s on the floor a lot because of his D. Add anything else, like racking up assists, and this tangibly contributes to the Hornets winning, then he plays.

  • NONONO

    i hope they have a pass/touch data. Lin much have 5 x Kemba’s number.

  • Bulldog

    It’s a pefect example of Karma principle (causes and results). Two head coaches mistreating Lin were fired or on the edge of being respectively after Lin’s leave. Three ballhog so-called star players next to Lin are fading and being critisized visiously. Those three teams won’t show up in the playoffs this season, I can foresee that. And I say they deserve it.
    Ty Lawson was a “star” in Denver, now is marginized to the end of the bench. Dragic was a shining “next Steve Nash” in Suns, now struggling next to D Wade in Miami (at least they are winning). D. Russel is the 2nd pick draft player, see what B Scott is doing to him these days. All of these prove a simple point — no one can do well beside selfish ballhog players not to mention being coached by someone hating you.
    I root for Lin since when you see a talented, modest and hard-working person being mistreated and blamed for so many ridiculous things, I deeply feel uncomfortable about the way on which NBA world is running based.
    Hopefully, Steve Clifford and Hornets’ FO can at least be decent. Put the best players on the court and focus on winning games. When Nic Batum and Kamba Walker are playing well, they stay, I have no problem with that. But when 9 turnovers or 5-18 shooting, they should be benched. Isn’t that the common sense?? Lin’d got 5 pts and led Hornets to take the lead in 2nd Q, why did Clifford bench him the whole 3rd Q?? and pull him off for good in the last 2 min?? It is no fair at all.

  • David Kim

    Lin never gonna get starting job in hornets?

  • Dorothy

    I do not believe Clifford will allow Hornets win with Lin playing major role. Based on previous games, Clifford would rather risking losing the games and only Walker and Batum were allowed to shine (maybe AL and Lamb too). It is pretty clear to me that Lin played heavy minutes and shined during pre-season is to sign broadcasting rights in Asia. The broken promises Clifford made to Lin were either 1) Clifford and Cho lied to Lin to lure him for market reason or 2) Clifford is told by FO to push Walker or Batum to All-Star game which Hornets will host. There is no room for Lin to shine on this team (and maybe any team.) unless China fans do something about it.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    very good stats for Lin here…Simply needs to be more selective when to drive in…number could be even better if he’s more selective.

  • NONONO
  • wu kong

    give em clicks if you want but in case you would rather not:

    Jeremy Lin Rumors: God Is Leading Linsanity Toward One Of His Worst Seasons Ever [VIDEO]

    “Jeremy Lin is an evangelical Christian, and he may need God to save his season.

    Okay, maybe that’s a bit too far, but the Harvard graduate’s numbers are down across the board and he may need divine intervention to turn his season around. Lin isn’t starting much for the Hornets, in fact he was only on the floor once as a starter and has played 16 contests off the bench.

    The undrafted point guard’s 23.1 minutes played are the lowest since he was with the Warriors as a rookie, while his field goal percentage (.408), three-point percentage (.306) and averages in assists (2.9) and points (10.8) are all the lowest of his career since that 2010-11 campaign.

    Despite Lin’s struggles, Charlotte has had a decent start to the season, playing to a 10-7 record to place it seventh in the Eastern Conference. The Hornets have also been hot as of late, rattling off victories in five of their last six contests and six of eight.

    Though the days of Linsanity taking over New York City during Lin’s run with the Knicks are long gone and his numbers aren’t up to his usual standards, the 27-year-old journeyman is happy with his current role with the Hornets.

    “I feel like I have figured who I’m going to be as a player,” Lin told CBS Sports last month. “[The game] has definitely slowed down for me and I feel like I know what my brand of basketball is. But the one thing that I feel veterans have had that I don’t, is some sort of consistency. That’s what I would like to have at some point. Consistency in terms of location and team.”

    After NBA stints with the Warriors, Knicks, Rockets and Lakers as well as stops with D-league teams and a stint in China, Lin signed on with the Hornets on a two-year, $4.3 million pact this offseason. The religious point guard isn’t ready to blame anyone else or even God for his struggles, he’s just grateful for what he has.

    “My biggest takeaway from the whole experience was probably my growth as a person,” he told CBS Sports. “Spiritually just trying to become a better person, in terms of just staying positive and perceiving, regardless of the circumstance. I think that was a big test of faith for me.”

    That faith seems to be tested on a nightly basis given Lin’s latest struggles.”

  • JoeTeam

    heh heh, leaders sometimes have no followers, just because of human frailties. We’ve seen it all over the JLin journey.

  • JoeTeam

    then at the 33 streak game in January!

  • Maknusia

    I think thats higher than Lebron

  • JoeTeam

    the he should score more than anything now thing.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not just player but also as character and leader, Tim is by far a much much better choice.

  • CJSHYY

    Good to see some reporters still notice Lin’s low stats… I am not worry bc when he takes more than 4 shots in a game things will turn around.

  • cdblue10

    Lin’s performance overall from the last 16 games was generally enticing ,interesting and intriguing at the same time considering with his usage as a player.Lin is not at all considered as one of the main guy in Hornets rotations,he is only considered as a filler.Their is a positive outlook with his present position right now because he can be an impact player for many teams that aspires a playoff standing,meaning he still hold his future because he can be a good piece to lure a trading partner with opposite team like Chicago,Pacers,Bucks and some team in the west.As a Lin fan I don’t mind seeing him in another uniform as long as he is considered as a vital part of the team.I still believe that their’s a team and a coach out there that can fully utilized him as a player.

  • Actually, Clifford did allow 3 games (SAC OT Win and moderately Knicks, Wolves) where JLin shined in the past 16 games.

    But then Lin didn’t play much or score enough in the past 3 games (15, 20, 22 min).
    There are 2 possibilities:
    1. Clifford wanted the starters to shine during crunch time
    2. Clifford wanted JLin to score more, not overpass as JLin stated in FB he wanted to support teamball.

    I’m leaning on Scenario #2 at the moment because of the team-ball Lin emphasized (arguably a bit much) in the Bucks game. Granted Clifford made a big mistake pulling Lin in the CLE game that they should’ve won with Lin’s defense. And he also should give JLin more room to make mistakes. I also want Clifford to acknowledge Lin’s defensive effort like he did in the Wolves & Knicks (?) game. So it’s possible both are still trying to get on the same page.

    So I want to see if Clifford will let JLin close if he keeps scoring (10pts/2asts, few TOs) with 6-7 min left in the 4th quarter.
    IMHO it’s a mixed results at the moment.

    If Clifford allows JLin to shine more during crunch time when he’s scoring, that means he’s extra strict with JLin to play a scorer role. If not, that means Clifford treats Lin as a regular bench player with limited min even it costs them some wins.

  • heart

    Lin News:

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Please rest and sit out as long as you can Lin.

  • Dorothy

    Psalm, you know why I feel Clifford would rather risk losing the games than having Lin shine? It was based on the past 2 games. They were both close games and Lin did well and all the dirty work, and the game was still very close, as soon as Clifford felt he might pull the game, he pulled Lin off the court. That was when i felt he did not want Lin to shine. If he wanted Lin to score more, he would draw more plays for Lin. Now again, I am not a bball person to comment anything bball technical, but I am old enough to tell when things don’t make sense, there are reasons behind it.

  • CJSHYY

    Did they do any practice yesterday? NO news from this team? Well, if he’s not OK don’t play… don’t want him to lower his stats even more… this game will loss anyway.

  • blubell

    I pray it heals up fast.

  • linfan

    Does Lin have a back problem this season? He is always wearing a big ice pack on his back when on the bench. Didn’t see that in other seasons, although he had times when his back limited his playing effectiveness.

  • Dorothy

    Thanks for posting.

  • cdblue10

    Yep

  • DX

    I am out too. No Lin no fun.

  • heart

    Yep!

  • webattorney

    I want GSW win streak to continue whether or not Lin plays. I love watching GSW and Curry take on all comers. Utah vs. GSW game was very well played. Utah has some good core players and good bigs. Every team is hyped up and ready to claim the bragging right of having ended the win streak. Not having Harrison Barnes really hurts GSW because that dude is versatile and athletic.

  • CJSHYY

    Well, maybe this is like….. they always said Zeller is questionable but later he plays… ??

  • heart

    Yep! We’ll see what Cliff does. He has been trying hard to not let Lin play. So it’s an opportunity for Cliff to ‘not’ let Lin play… This is what it has come to for us…SMH!

  • cdblue10

    Al and Lin on trading block,would not be a far fetched.Dec.12 is coming.

  • sws94

    If Lin can’t play, forget about it. Don’t run Roberts out there. Lin will probably play, maybe not big minutes. Wonder if this ankle issue has been for a few games and he aggravated it?

    One of the things @hornets preparing for vs. Warriors: A super-small lineup they run with 4 guards and a power forward.

  • webattorney

    I am in still. GSW and Curry are worth watching.

  • sws94

    I want Lin’s team to win. GSW is a nice team but I’m not a GSW fan. I like Curry, not really a Curry fan either though I like him as a person.

  • jolno

    Kobe is not even the greatest player on his championship teams (that title belongs to Shaq and Gasol), let alone of his generation.

    Kobe is probably the most overrated player of all time. Well, even in his last season he is still breaking the offense by bricking selfishly to add to his all time most missed field goal attempts so no one will be able to break it in the future LOL.

  • blubell

    I think its a possibility. I just hope the injury doesn’t turn out to be anything serious.

  • webattorney

    I want GSW win streak to continue because it’s fun watching GSW and Curry try to defend their win streak every game against super motivated and hyped teams. Every team is playing against GSW like it’s a championship game for them. It would be hilarious if Sixers ends GSW’s streak. Lol

  • sws94

    “But the one thing that I feel veterans have had that I don’t, is some sort of consistency. That’s what I would like to have at some point. Consistency in terms of location and team.”

    This is from Lin. That’s why I say let’s hope things work out in Charlotte. Isn’t this Lin saying he wants consistency of team and location and not to go to another team?

  • CJSHYY

    Well, I really don’t buy this team’s injury report bc lots of them sounds so fake to me. More like to adjust Cliff’s game plan…

    Lin? Not sure… Hope Cliff & him work out on that talk to pull him out… smh!

  • sws94

    Questionable often turns into probable and playing. That’s what happened with Cody and Lamb and both of them turned out to play well those nights they had the same questionable status. Lin is needed in this game. If he can play, he will.

  • I understand.

    I was also mad when Lin was unfairly pulled in the CLE game after his contribution on defense and running offense. Clifford should know better. He deserved to get the loss. Even Hornets fans in RealGM said Lin should’ve played in hindsight even if he didn’t contribute in scoring; he can help others get open and prevented Delladova and JR Smith to get wide-open shots.

    In the Bucks game, he let JLin to play until 2 min left because he thought scoring is needed. This time Clifford might want to make a point that he wanted JLin to score during crunch time.

    I’m willing to give more time because JLin had chances to shine to finish games even when he started slow. But as far as the past 3 games, weird things happened for sure. It’s hard to make solid conclusion without seeing how things progress.

    If JLin plays for Pop and the Spurs, I think it will be harder to JLin fans to see Pop yelling at Lin and all Spurs players and bench them if they don’t do exactly what he wants them to do. So there’s that possibility that a coach wants to make a point (even if starters get longer leash because they keep scoring).

    One thing that I notice consistently is Clifford will play whoever is scoring, as long as their D is not too bad. I thought he would appreciate defense more but not so much. Even starters like Al, Marvin Williams and even Kemba got benched (1x) when they’re not scoring effectively

  • Dorothy

    Sure, if Hornets uses him correctly. If stay on one team is Lin’s top priority, he would not have signed 2nd year player’s option contract.

  • sws94

    This is the first time Lin has been on any report. Al was visibly injured in that game. It’s all pretty standard injury status. If a player has an injury where they can’t go the same day but it may get better so they can play the next day, the status is questionable. Nothing is out of line here.

  • sws94

    I understand. I don’t share it but yeah, it’s history making and the team is very good to watch. But I root for Lin’s team first.

  • blubell

    I agree. Jeremy will definitely play if he can. He has to take advantage of every opportunity and keep playing.

  • CJSHYY

    Questionable means still have space to make it….

  • hm, when did JLin sprain the ankle?

    It could be misdirection in an attempt to throw off GSW game plan

  • sws94

    He’s needed. We think he doesn’t play much but those 20ish minutes he plays usually he makes some big contribution to the Hornets win. We are very sensitive to minutes here but if you go to the Hornets boards, they always say Lin is making big contributions and he’s valued. I think the Hornets value him, it’s just it’s not his time for big minutes yet and that will come.

  • sws94

    Yes. If it feels better tomorrow and meets the team’s standards for him to play, he plays. I think it is a good chance that he plays.

  • sws94

    I’m going to go to the Charlottes video. See what Clifford says if they are practicing or have a shootaround. He’ll be asked about Lin for sure.

  • blubell

    Haha. I immediately thought he landed on someone’s foot like when he landed on Sacre’s foot during preseason last year.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! That’s one of my thinking about this news too.

  • sws94

    He has to feel it out. But I think he’d rather stay than not.

  • the only foot that he stepped on so far might be Clifford’s =)

    JLin: “I pass 1st, score 2nd”
    Clifford: “No, you score 1st, pass 2nd”
    JLin: “No ..”
    Clifford: “Yes..”
    Silas: “Let’s take a time out to massage that sprained ankle”

  • sws94

    Cleveland game, he should have finished. Bad decision. Last game Lin didn’t take a shot he could of and passed to a covered Batum leading to a 24 sec. violation while not scoring at all in the 2nd half. However, he drew a non-shooting foul leading to a good possession after the side out, got rebounds, played strong D, got assists, so it was a judgment call to take him out there or try Lamb for better perimeter shooting. Either way, it’s only 2 minutes and Lin played 10 of 12 4Q minutes. I think had he gone to the line and scored there, Cliff would have left him in. No biggie for the Bucks game but biggie for the Cleveland game.

  • heart

    If it’s true that Lin is hurt, he needs to sit out to heal. Cliff’s assignment for him will be defense anyway, SMH! The hurt ankle will affect his shooting ability and hurt his FG% more.

  • CJSHYY

    I know if so Lin will not play either …. but it could be also misdirection in an attempt to throw off GSW game plan?

  • heart

    You think Cliff is that smart? Second thought, he got Lin bought into his ‘sale pitch’… Don’t know what to think anymore about Cliff…

  • CJSHYY

    Lin should talk to Mo before he signed… but I guess Cliff gave him the big picture in Hornets… smh!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Keep hope alive.

  • heart

    Ah, you have your thinking hat on…something to look forward to…

  • CJSHYY

    Al is… not Lin so far don’t see it unless his injury will take 2 to 3 weeks long….

  • jakey

    I hope GSW is up by double digits by halftime so Clifford has to utilize Lin more! I feel good about this game ?

  • blubell

    First, lets hope his ankle heals up nice and fast 🙂

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hope Lin will sit out the next 5 games: GS, CHI, DET, MIA and MEM.

  • blubell

    What does he have to gain by sitting out if he is healthy?

  • CJSHYY

    Why? Trade?

  • blubell

    Coach Silas to the rescue? lol

  • jakey

    Whaaaat?! ? Did he hurt his ankle? ?

  • cdblue10

    I posted this before but I got a lot of backlash,now he has a reason to,in this corrupt league,you need to protect yourself and career too.Its all about leverage.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    His stat ppg has been going down averaging .5 per game. Further more, to see what life would be like for those Bees without Lin. If they do well, they might trade him to improve but if they don’t they will appreciate Lin.

  • blubell

    It doesn’t sound serious. See post below… he’s listed as “questionable.”

  • CJSHYY
  • blubell

    Trade seems unlikely since he is reliable PG/SG off the bench. As much as I don’t like to say this, JLin is insurance in case Kemba can’t play. Who are they going to get for $2M? Besides, I don’t think he will sit out if he is healthy. He would want to play.

  • sws94

    Batum or Lamb? come on Clifford, you’re a better coach than that.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    It takes courage to say things that not popular as long as it’s what you truly believe.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Can’t believe this? LOL!

  • Joe what do you know

    Dude, that’s before the news of Lin injury. Now that the news is out, I’m sure most of us want him to sit.

  • sws94

    Lamb in the post would be comical. The Hornets don’t need anyone in the post, just move around and cut and play that way.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Cliff is a Comedian. Lin sprained his ankle stepping off the Cliff there.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hope was what I wanted. This team is not worth to risk further injury even it’s just a small finger cut.

    Last 3 seasons was hard to trade Lin because of his poison contract, $2 mil should not be a problem.

  • spiderman

    If out for several games, curious how team would do without Lin.
    I’d bet they’d do significantly worse despite the “Linstructor” effect.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Cliff has a very bendable tongue.

  • CJSHYY

    I think it will get worst if that really happens bc No Al, Lin… W Kemba, Batum & Lamb can’t carry the W for the team.

  • cdblue10

    The moral police that doesn’t know where he stand is good example of you

  • I think I know why Clifford pulled JLin with 2 min left.

    JLin decided to pass, not shoot in 2 consecutive possessions with 7-8 seconds left in the shot clock (one is correct, the other one Lin can shoot it):

    1. 78-74, 3:18 left in Q4 (see pic below)
    Kemba passed to Lin on the 3pt line who found Marvin Williams more open so he swung to him but MWilliams declined and pass to Batum who made 2pt shot with 1.8sec left in shot clock.
    Lin made the right decision. Marvin should’ve shot it

    2. 80-76, 2:22 left in Q4 (see pic below)
    Marvin passed to Lin on 3pt line who drove inside with 7 second left in shot clock. He had 2 guys blocking his path but can choose to shot. He saw Batum on 3pt line but was covered.
    It’s a judgment call. With 6 second left, Lin could’ve have shot a midrange jumper. Batum wasn’t ready to shoot so he got covered quickly. He lost the ball being defended and Zeller missed an off-balance shot as the shot clock expired

    JLin missed 2 shots in Q4 so he probably wasn’t feeling his rhythm. I think he should’ve shot the 2nd one because there wasn’t much time on the clock. But Batum just made the last shot so it’s a judgment call.

    I think Clifford wanted JLin to take that shot at 2:22 so it wouldn’t be a bad possession with Zeller off-balance shot.

    Clifford wasn’t mad but he gave instruction on what he wanted to do.
    So I think it’s all good. As long as Clifford and Lin are communicating, these miscommunication can be resolved

  • And if you look at the picture, Clifford is giving instruction to JLin, not berating him like McHale style
    So it’s okay for me. Normal coaching without scapegoating someone.
    At least for now.

  • sws94

    I wrote the same thing earlier, looking a the game on League Pass. Clifford, in my mind, is being fair enough to Lin. I think because he’s not playing Lin more some people have decided he is marginalizing Lin but Clifford is just being a coach. He’s not going to cater to Lin no matter what we think of him. There’s a double standard between what Lin can do vs. Batum or Kemba, but pretty much only those two. If Lamb messes up he sits too if the game dictates someone else making better plays. As does anyone else, including Al.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Cliff wanted Lin to score but he didn’t w only up by 2 that’s why he got pulled out of the game. Cliff just gave the instruction to Lin. Even Lin was mad still… but I think Cliff will try to figure it out behind the door bc he needs Lin now.

  • Yes, Batum and Kemba definitely get the longest leash.
    I wish Lin would start so he can get a lot of min; he wouldn’t hesitate to shoot since he gets his rhythm down

  • sws94

    He likely won’t be out for several games. If so, that sucks. If he has to miss, so be it. But I want to see LIn play as close to 82 regular season games as possible.

    The team could still win without Lin depending on the matchups. But the sort of things Lin does with guys like Kaminsky and Lamb and the 2nd unit can’t be duplicated by Roberts and Kemba would play 41 minutes at the point with Batum running the show with Roberts. Lin is a big part of the Charlotte team.

  • yes, these things are still normal in coach-player relationship.
    As long as they talk and not getting into heated exchange or Lowry/McHale incident or even worse Sprewell-choking accident, it can be fruitful

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    People need to stop bending backward for this coach to justify the reason Lin was the last in first out rotation PG.

    He could have signaled to point at the open man for Lin to pass to.

    The day of Lin closing game is over. He still might get one here and there in this season but it’s not regular anymore under Cliff.

  • sws94

    He would then need to have a totally different rotation, so he could also run the 2nd unit, and not get in foul trouble. If he gets 2, no more Lin for the half. That’s my biggest hesitation to Lin starting. Seeing he likes to help so much he ends up getting fouls that he wouldn’t if he didn’t.

  • sws94

    Yeah, Lin wanted to finish. It’s good that he was mad. Knowing Lin, he was mostly mad at himself.

  • CJSHYY

    If this Lin’s injury it’s really like misdirection in an attempt to throw off GSW game plan. That means OK. If not…then have to wait for more news…. But so far, I think it’s more for misdirection.

  • CJSHYY

    No, mad at coach for not let him close the game. I think coach also knew Lin’s mad….

  • CJSHYY

    I think Batum probably agrees to stay…? That’s why he got green light as well… If he stays then he will be #1 guy for this team. Lin? I don’t think he will make any decision until next summer. I am sure he has team he can go.

  • sws94

    He wasn’t the first out. And you were wrong about Lin always passing the ball to Kemba to bring up suggesting that the coach disallows him to do that. I found a play in that game when on with Kemba Lin rebounded and he brought it up and it never touched Kemba’s hands in that possession.

    Some posters here don’t have the same viewpoint as you regarding Clifford. And we shouldn’t. Doesn’t mean we are making any excuses, bending over, we just see things differently.

  • I called out Clifford for his bad decision to sit Lin in CLE game but I would also point out he allowed JLin to shine in the Kings OT win in Game 14 (only 3 games ago) when he scored 7 out of 15 Hornets points.

    For me, we need to weigh the positives with the negatives objectively.
    Being myopic to focus on the negatives w/o considering the positive can be dangerous since we don’t consider the reality.

  • sws94

    Still good. Any coach wants one of his important players to want to be in the game to close.

  • sws94

    No. It’s a legit report. All basketball players get questionable through the course of the years with exactly the kind of thing Lin got. It’s not to throw off GSW.

  • cdblue10

    He is a 9th rotational player without specific role,The only reason Clifford can’t put his minutes to oblivion is that he’s performing well.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t buy Hornets injury report that much. We will see…

  • sws94

    He’s a 6th or 7th man. I think you are confusing coming in 9th vs. how much he plays and how important an assignment he has with the team is. Zeller isn’t the 2nd unit glue guy. Lin is. Nor is Lamb. Lamb gets directions from Lin. Lin is the 6th or 7th man, no 9th man.

  • cdblue10

    Psalm I hope you’re right and that’s not the last time we will see Lin closing the 4th quarter,but with the way they position Lin on the floor,you will sense that’s something is not right.

  • sws94

    Really, he may not. It all depends on how much he likes the city, organization, and of course money. And it is also hard to tell what’s going on in Batum’s head. He’s here now and going to play his best. But after this season, he’ll weigh his options most likely.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Not trying to focus on negative, just I see nothing but negative. Lin was allowed to play more only when he’s in desperate needs. Since the game vs Kings did we see anything positive? BTW after that game, Cliff has said he tried to insert Lamb in meant everything about all negative for Lin.

  • cdblue10

    In basketball sws,when you sub in as a 9th player that’s your rotation.

  • sws94

    The Hornets offense is a work in progress. Since Lin plays 2 distinct roles his role and positioning is still not totally worked out in the offense. As Psalm says, see positives and negatives. In some instances, Lin is cutting and they are looking for him to make plays. At other times, he’s relatively inactive. It’s still being worked out.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Even game like that, Cliff intention was to insert Lamb in.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He’s a last in first out in most games.

  • sws94

    I’ve been watching the game 40 years. He’s coming in 9th and what I said above stands. When he comes in may not determine his overall role in the team.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    What is his overall role when he’s on with Kemba and Batum?

    Hint: 90 degree.

  • sws94

    I don’t need your hints just like I didn’t need that quip about umbrellas. You just said you can’t see positives. That’s all I need to know.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s the fact. Your positives all come from hoping or bending backward creating.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Start? The hope of being team 6th man is already impossible with Cliff’s rotation.

  • Joe what do you know

    Is that suppose be a swipe at me? I just find it funny that you have such logic. Having him sit without an injury just to rebel and prove a point is called pouting. And that possibly says about your approach to lots of things in life if you agree with such diva act. But Lin isn’t like that.

    Now we all know he’s injured, what’s wrong with him sitting out during the injury?

  • cdblue10

    Sorry but watching a lot of years is different from playing and the politics involved around it,but I respect your stand.

  • cdblue10

    PJ has a better position to received the ball when he plays with the starter he just can’t produced because that’s how bad he is but for LIn,I can’t even tell you his position.

  • heart

    Where’s the freedom to let Lin make his own judgement? Why is there so much micro-managed w/Lin’s play? Excuse after excuse to pull Lin off the floor… Not berating is one plus over Mchale, but picking on him for every little thing isn’t good either!

  • sws94

    Of course. Often the 6th man is first or second off of the bench. Clifford seems not to have any 6th man but Lamb gets the most minutes and Lin has the most responsibility to lead the bench. And the bench is huge on Charlotte as the starters are usually a bit behind or blowing leads in the 3rd.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin lead the bench 8 to 10 mpg. As soon as Kemba checks in, Lin must find the corner of his choice (L or R).

  • sws94

    You don’t define anything but what you believe. Let’s stop the personal stuff which is AGAINST the rules and talk basketball. We know how you feel about Clifford, others don’t feel that same way and you and others need not label people that disagree with you as going out of our way to support Clifford. But Psalm and I have said our reservations about him, but the jury is out for us. And that’s the way it is.

  • cdblue10

    Rebelling and trying to get a leverage and pointing out your displeasure is not always wrong.I’m not a saint but I save lives either,is that count on me as a sinner?LOL…Just be yourself and try not to be vindictive with others,sometimes logic is better that being morally right.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So it’s ok to call me I can’t see?

    AND

    Calling your positives are from hoping and creating personal attack?

    SMH.

  • sws94

    Seriously, there’s a lot more Clifford could pick on Lin about, like when he leaves a man open for a 3 when overhelping and he doesn’t get on him about that from what I’ve seen. This was in crunch time at a crucial venture and all Clifford did was relay to Lin what went wrong with a possession. That’s good coaching, talking to a player and not berating him. People at the game says he’s all over Lamb, not Lin. I don’t think Lin is being singled out or picked on by Clifford.

  • heart

    To answer the post below: Cliff did in fact replaced Lin w/Lamb. Cliff had always tried to insert Lamb in crunch time. He professed this many times in post games. This time he was successful! And many more times to come with one thing or another excuse. You can count on it!

  • Rick Johnson

    Houston is Kryptonite for PG’s. Go there and have your career trashed:

    https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/671776358477893632

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Exactly, this coach is much worse than anyone could think of. He makes McHale an honest person.

  • orLinaryjoe

    Replace Houston with Har_en, still works.

  • I would suggest not to only focus on the 3 games after the Kings game but all 17 games together.

    Yes, I understand the trend is concerning but if it’s true that Clifford wants Lin to score while Lin tries to facilitate in order to close games, it’s not as concerning like BScott benched a hot scoring Lin in the 4th quarter of BOS game last season even when JLin was hot with 11 pts in last 3-4 min of 3rd quarter (only because BScott wanted to bench JLin & Boozer in the next Game 20 vs Pelicans for criticizing Kobe in Game 10 vs GSW)

    We have to continue to monitor the progress to see how things develop but I take comfort seeing JLin was able to facilitate and had chances to score.

    Let’s see if Clifford allows JLin to close if JLin keeps scoring. That’s my standard measurement of Clifford’s fairness.

  • sws94

    This is an indictment on Harden. Lawson is a skilled and proven PG. And Harden needs another facilitator. So far the best one has been Lin who had to compromise a lot to play with him at first and then get moved to the 2nd unit to have a 3 and D guy play with him.

  • CJSHYY

    I watched some games of Rox. I can tell Harden don’t like him but Lawson also not plays well either. Not surprise…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good news on first step.

  • Joe what do you know

    Same goes for you sir. No need to be vindictive with me by calling me a moral police who doesn’t know where to stand. I provided you with logics of people like me that were against Lin sitting out without apparent reasons, I see no reason of you taking that swipe at me if you are true to your words.

  • sws94

    With the starters, it’s very poorly defined. Clifford needs to work harder at finding out how to use Lin with the starters especially since he will be in the closing lineups a good amount of the time. Regardless of what anyone is saying about Lamb, he’s shown he can’t close that much. That 5 second violation and overall lack of effectiveness with them reveal he’s not that great a closer. Lin has had huge plays in closing when he played and absolutely came alive in OT in the Kings game but also end or regulation in that game.

  • cdblue10

    You’re the the first one that cast a stone on me and I don’t even know you as a Lin fan.So I’ll stop from here.

  • sure JLin had many corner position but in the last game he also had a chance to drive from the top of the key of Kemba’s pass but he dished to Hawes who can’t finish. In the last 2 plays, we saw Kemba and Marvin Williams gave the ball to Lin to make plays so that’s why I’m not concerned.

    Lin had chances to score or pass; he’s just trying to figure out the balance.

    It’s not like HOU when Lin is on the corner all the time but Harden never passed to him

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I don’t like Mc but Rox playing time & style seems to be the best for Lin so far besides NYK.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I can’t hope for that anymore unless I have to hope injury for Kemba or Lamb and I wouldn’t do that because that’s not who I am.

    My respect to Cliff is long gone since the day Lin helped team come back win games from behind, instead of praising and reward him, Cliff told the world that Lamb should have come back to close games.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Endless PnR with Asik and Howard.

  • Joe what do you know

    Agreed to stop. And by the way, I am a Lin fan. I’ve professed many time. I like him because he’s a fresh breath in modern professional sports arena where athletes are too used to being treated like previous divas. Lin’s basketball stats are secondary to his overall life journey outcome. That’s why I’m able to keep a positive outlook for so long. I know his story does not end in NBA.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t want Lin back to Rox… but Lin still follows Morey?!

  • Rick Johnson

    They are going to change everything except the problem. Coach, PG, other roll players, GM. But the same problem Harden will not change so problems will not be solved.

  • cdblue10

    I would rather chose Houston compare to his position right now,yes….Harden only passed him the ball on the last seconds of shot clocks but he almost always convert because he’s playing for at least 30 mins and keep his rhytmn going,while Mchale will let him play the main guy when Harden is out.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lawson for Lin and Williams.

  • As Lin fans, we definitely want each coach to be like MDA to give his PG a lot of freedom. Nash used to make 5-6 TOs but he’s free to create. MDA system is PG-heaven for sure.

    But each coach has different system. What’s important is to know if a coach is fair to all players or single out a player. In these 17 games, I learned that Clifford will play those who will score more to close out games.
    After that defensive holes is the second consideration.

    Al, Kemba, Marvin Williams, Lin, Lamb will not close games due to these reasons.

    I’m not making excuses for Coach Clifford. I called him out when he took out Lin in the CLE game resulting in a loss. But I can’t be blind either when he allowed JLin to be the hero in OT by scoring 7 out of 15 OT pts.

    That’s why I think he wanted Lin and other players who want to close games to score so they can win games.

    No worries. These are normal development in my eyes as Lin had chances to be heroes when he scored a LOT.
    If true, Clifford will help Lin to be a better player not to over-pass at the end of games. JLin has the ability to be the best scorer.

    If Clifford doesn’t play Lin when he’s scoring well, I will definitely call him out.
    See my comparison with BScott in Lakers season below. That was pure evil decision.

  • PETE B

    y cant haren just let someone else play PG sometimes and F’n D up more?? SMH
    He could be a champion than a chokecityer

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is in the worst place right now. He’s being misused for his talents and his stats keep going down.

  • cdblue10

    I’m very optimistic of what Lin can do on crunch time and all of us had seen that on the past.My main concern is,does the coach will allow him to finish games?

  • sws94

    If people rewatch the games, when Lin is in with starters he doesn’t just stay in the corner. He may need to be a bit more active but when Kemba is the main facilitator and Batum the second, then he has to pick his spots. He’s doing an OK job of it. He just needs to shoot when he’s semi-open.

  • LAJane

    See, the difference is all in how you say it. Stating something as a FACT, for example “Your positives all come from hoping or bending backward…” is quite different to expressing your “opinion” or your “feeling” that it’s unrealistically hopeful. It’s the difference between respectful debate and mosh-pit shoving. Mosh pit style has become so pervasive that many people think civil conversation is old fashioned, weak, and no fun. Pushing and shoving may not be exactly, precisely personal attack, but for sure it’s all about ME.

  • Rick Johnson

    No, Lin will just be marginalized by Harden again. Harden seems to actually have regressed even further in defense this season. After getting $200 mil from Adidas he seems to be in a “don’t give a …..” attitude now.

  • sws94

    Houston is toxic. That’s one place that is just bad for Lin. From Clutchfans to many in the media to the announcing crew, it is a terrible place for Lin. Charlotte’s media, forums and so forth have been like night and day. And even LA wasn’t as positive towards Lin as Charlotte has been.

  • sws94

    Of course I can’t say. I think he was on his way to finishing the last game but was taken out because Cliff thought he had bad clock management on a play. Or maybe Cliff thought Lin was getting mentally tired. I don’t know. I see indications Lin will close plus Lamb isn’t good at it and he’s really the only other alternative as a guard to close.

  • Rick Johnson

    HoopsHabit‏@HoopsHabit

    How can the #Hornets survive Al Jefferson’s absence? “Hansbrough has a beating heart and six fouls.” (via @acsnyde)

    https://twitter.com/HoopsHabit/status/671783982237769728

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    How I say it? Ok let the person who disagree with my comments the most make that judgement, right? My comments is to the point with facts and actual happening, if one does not agree, just ignore. Just don’t bring rules to threat or attempt to shut me up.

  • yes, I see much better development with Kemba, Batum, Williams passing to Lin to make plays

    It definitely takes time to develop chemistry. When this team figures it out, they’ll be extremely dangerous

  • I have some hope that Lin/Hansbrough can execute decent PnR after Hansbrough get regular PT

    Hansbrough can be 75% poor-man Tyson Chandler at his ceiling
    Better in rebounding but worse in scoring/finishing around the rim

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    On court, Harden is a much better teammate than Kemba. If Lin’s open he’d pass to Lin.

  • cdblue10

    To tell you honestly,I really like the team,they have a chance to be a great team in the East but disrespecting Lin when he’s playing well is just a low blow,good example was Cleveland,that’s a very pivotal game since that’s against Lebron’s team and you can sense that Lin is just about to blew up but what happened…can’t justify what’s Clifford was thinking about that.

  • Rick Johnson

    He needs to work on not picking up fouls so he can stay on the court longer to build up some rhythm with Lin

  • 1mtoldman

    lin in houston:
    starter 75% of the games, point guard 88% of the time, minutes per game 31
    points assists per game 13/6

    lin in l.a.:
    starter 40% of the games, point guard 95% of the time, minutes per game 26, points assists per game 11/5

    lin in charlotte: starter 1% of the games, point guard 47% of the time, minutes per game 23, points assists per game 11/2+

    lin in charlotte last 3 games: 19 minutes per game, points assists per game 6/2

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Too much stats and facts.

    But don’t worry, some only concern for the media in Charlotte treat Lin here better than in Houston. Clutch fans are not nice like at the hive.

  • yes, I believe he can do it
    He actually averaged 11pts/5.2reb/2.3PF in his 2nd season with Pacers in 2012 in almost 22mpg

    Lin and Hansbrough need each other to get some PnR highlights.
    I don’t see anyone else in the roster that can finish strongly

  • cdblue10

    Lin doesn’t produce like Curry,but with his presence and style of play is a good enough reason for the Hornets to win games,with additional of Batum and the new look Marvin Williams is the key to their success.My observations from the past 16games,teams always prepare for Lin’s game not Kemba,not Batum or Al and yet coaching staff doesn’t even see that but the other coaches from the opposing team always speaks up after the game.

  • sws94

    Teams are preparing for Lin and the coaching staff sees it. They analyze each game down to very small details. They may not say much to the media, but they see it. And coaching staffs have planned for Batum. That’s one of the reasons why he had so many TOs the last game. They looked at his tendencies (plus he didn’t execute some of them).

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Starters are allowed to get 2 fouls max in 1Q and 3 max in first half. Bench like Lin got 2 in first half was not the reason to pull out especially he’s not in the plan as a closer in 4Q.

  • Rick Johnson

    The plot thickens:

    Rick BonnellVerified account‏@rick_bonnell
    The @hornets are listing Jeremy Lin as questionable for tomorrow with a right ankle sprain. He looked OK shooting at end of practice.

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/671788499255861249

  • cdblue10

    Have they drawn any play for him?or the bigs will automatically set him screen…?He needs to ask first before he can make his own play.

  • sws94

    Lin came to Charlotte who had an established starter. Not the case in either LA or Houston so that comparison isn’t really valid. Nor is any comparison based on 15 games vs. how many for the other 2 teams? And as a player off of the bench, the numbers will go down.

    Houston benched Lin how many times in the 4Q for the entire 4Q. How many times has that happened? How many DNP-CDs did Lin get in Charlotte vs. what he got from Scott?

    Too early for all of this. There’s a lot of season left for Lin in Charlotte. He picked the team. And he’s playing off of the bench. Things could get a lot worse or better. The script is being written with each game. But it isn’t complete.

  • Rick Johnson

    I meant Hansbrough needs to cut down the fouls.

  • sws94

    Yes. In the Philadelphia game they did especially in the first half. And even in that game when Lin made a behind the back pass to Al, that was a set play they had in practice with Tyler Hansbrough. While they draw more for Kemba and Batum, there are some for Lin.

    I don’t know how the plays are determined, but there are some plays for him.

  • sws94

    Yeah, the bigs aren’t great finishers. Cody is alright, but not that strong. Hoping TH gets more burn and gets chemistry with Lin. That’s missing from the Hornets. But he’s foul-prone. And he’s rusty by not playing so much.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Wow PJ is an established starter?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He hardly even play.

  • sws94

    If he’s practicing then it may not be that serious. It would make sense he goes to probable by tomorrow.

  • heart

    Haven’t you noticed (I have), when Lin’s in crunch time, he’s usually used for defense not for offense. In this game, Lin was sat for a long time on the bench before returning to the floor after a very good first half showing. I believe Lin was trying to be efficient in taking good shot during the 4th bc he was trying to protect Hornets possession in my judgement.

    In the first half, Lin and the bench outscored opponents and got the first lead and kept the lead for the team. But the starters almost squandered it. When Lin returned, his defense continued to help stabilize the defense and kept the opponent from scoring much. Instead of allowing Lin to finish in the crunch time, to me, Cliff found excuses to insert Lamb. We had known Cliff’s true intention from his own mouth from previous post games.

    Batum had 9TOs in this game and still had the freedom to make his own judgement to shoot that 3. He knows that he has Cliff and Hornets’ support, hence it gave him the confidence to do so. If that 3 didn’t go in, what would people say or the outcome of the game? IMO, that was a lucky shot. W/2pts up in crunch time, there was no set plays for Batum or KW or Lamb to drive to the basket.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not criticizing you in your assessment but just pointing the mistreatment as I see it, IMO. I understand you want the best for Lin (I do too) and are trying to be fair, but for me, I’ve become more skeptical after each game about Cliff and Hornets. Right now, I’m just praying for a miracle for Lin’s sake. I know God is in control.

  • Rick Johnson

    I remember once Houston abandoned the Twin Towers Asik had a mystery injury that took him out months until he was traded.

  • sws94

    John Ho ‏@jsho12
    @rick_bonnell How serious is @JLin7 ankle sprain?

    Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
    @jsho12 He practiced today for at least the portion media was admitted.

  • cdblue10

    That’s him making a play,it wasn’t drwan by the coach.I’ve seen that from pre-season with hansbrough but it’s more of him drawing the people around him and making the pass.

  • Spot

    When Jeremy could be traded? From?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    12-15 or 17, 2015

  • sws94

    What do you mean? It was a set play. Draw the defenders and behind the back play. It was identical to what they showed in practice. And the ball went through him anyway and he was trusted in the closing minute of a game to make that play.

    Plays may be drawn for Lin at different times in the game. It all depends on matchups and what the coaches decide.

  • sws94

    Nothing wrong with being skeptical. None of us knows what will happen.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If Lin plays tomorrow, Cliff will be forced to play Lin a lot more because they want to win this game badly. After that, all back to normal. Last in first out non-closer.

  • sws94

    Great reply Jane but unfortunately it doesn’t stand as the last word.

  • Rick Johnson

    I know but like last time he picked up two fouls in less that 2 minutes when he came in. Got the 3rd one within 6 minutes of play. Was doing that in the pre-season too.

  • Spot

    He could be on Trade block to get longer contract and maybe they won’t risk a serious injury.

    But it’s too early to tell…

  • sws94

    A lot of it really isn’t on Lin. It’s up to Kemba to integrate Lin more. Batum and Williams are already doing so to much more of an extent than Kemba. Kemba means well, and seems to be a great guy, but on the court he’s used to doing it the Kemba way not with another PG.

  • cdblue10

    It was a set a play for Al not for Lin.Same thing for the set up screens for Lamb and lob passes for him to make a basket.My definition of set plays is for a player to be freed up easily to make a basket.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Ok. Poor guy being aggressive to fight for some min.

  • Rick Johnson

    Starters will be so far behind so fast by the time Cliff puts Lin in it will be to far out of hand. Looking for >20 point blow out. Media will blame it on Jefferson being out but that will be BS. The way Cliff uses Lin they can’t beat better teams.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Longer contract will have to wait until next summer. Trade now in hope of his stats won’t be further damage.

  • sws94

    They are a tandem. They involve Lin. Lin as facilitator. Most of plays to Lin may be CnS but there are a few give and go’s, mostly through Al it seems, where Lin makes the basket. But Lin isn’t on the floor with Al that much who executes them pretty well. Batum has done some with Lin but the cut needs to be open for Lin to do it.

  • sws94

    The in at 2 minutes or less rotation is not the best. But that may change in time. I hope so. I don’t care for it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    But we all know what’s happening….I hope.

  • sws94

    I disagree with you about disrespecting Lin. I don’t think they disrespect him at all, I think they don’t always make great decisions on how to use him. But truthfully, Lin hasn’t totally got it going yet. If he was playing like he did preseason we’d see a lot more of him. He’s a little up and down.

    I agree with you about the team. It seems like a nice team. I don’t think there’s anyone here that disagrees about Lin closing the Cav game and on the Hornets boards, a lot of long-time Hornets fans said Lin could have made for a win if he closed. Clifford blew that one and big time. Beating the Cavs would have made the Hornets seem more legit. That was a terrible decision by Clifford, no doubt.

  • Dan Cohen

    cliff is trying to undo all those things that happened in houston and lakers, which is
    TELLING LIN TO SHOOT THE D-MN BALL MORE.
    That is a good thing.

  • Rick Johnson

    Also when looking at Zeller’s +/- with starters it isn’t very good. Poor OffRtg. It would predict the Hornets starters are going to have a hard time scoring against the GSW who have one of the best defenses in the league.

  • CJSHYY

    But last night I watched Rox vs Detriot. Jackson got 2 fouls he also was pulled out by the coach too. So I think it’s normal standard in 1st half to do so.

  • Spot

    Longer contracts, sorry 🙂

    Players who got a longer contract than Jeremy.

  • sws94

    As usual. sometimes the starters look so ragged. They aren’t as bad as LA, but sometimes they just don’t look very good and the bench comes in to save them or Kemba heroballs.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    They were up by 4 instead of behind by 5 so why the need to berate? This showed Cliff told Lin excuses to take him out because he does not want to tell the press in postgame interview that he wanted to insert Lamb. Mission accomplish Cliff.

    Lamb is the regular closer not Lin.

  • sws94

    Each coach is different. Some do it. Some let them get 3 in a half before pulling them.

  • LinMad

    [L]ast

    [I]n, First Out

    [N]on Closer

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Jacksons played the entire 1Q plus they would not pull him had the game was closed, they were leading 28 points and there’s no need to risk him getting the 3rd foul with 2 min left in the half.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lol. Good one and I am stealing it.

  • Joe what do you know

    I’m going with the majority here and say, it’s next to impossible for Hornets to WIN this game. It’ll be up to the Warriors to LOSE it….

  • rookie75094

    Kudos to the people that figure out the answer to my theory… for others the answer are the capital words except Jlin…. hehe

  • LinMad

    If they have plans to trade Lin, they will do it after Cyber Monday of course

    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671297696620261376

  • LinMad

    for Dell Curry?

  • cdblue10

    They have the chance to get Noah from Bulls.Lin and Al is a good trade for both team

  • LinMad

    be my guest

  • Spot

    Bulls should get Jefferson to match salaries. Dunno if could happen.

  • cdblue10

    This will help the needs on both team,a possibility is always there

  • linfan

    The two worst teams in the NBA will meet tonight. Somethings got to give. I peg this as Philly’s first win!

  • Spot

    Only teams in need of a PG are Nets and Sixers. I can’t see a contender trading for Jeremy right now and if they’d like they must have assets.

    Only if Nets sacrifice a big (Lopez) or Sixers a young player (Noel? Wroten?) could happen something. Anyway, we will see…

  • Joe what do you know

    Hmmmm I’m not quite getting what you mean…

  • Spot

    Bulls’ style of play is not good for Jeremy. Better stay with the Hornets than with Bulls.

  • Joe what do you know

    Gee… This tweet almost look like they’re discounting Lin’s value by 15%…. LMAO. Epic promotion fail…

  • cdblue10

    You can’t say that until you see them play.

  • Spot

    True

  • sws94

    Cliff said Lin used to post in college. The posting is not to score all the time but to run cuts. He wants to run more guys cutting to the basket. So even Lin may do that which may not be a bad idea because Lin could pass well out of the post. Said can’t do just one thing defensively. Too many PnRs the defenses get set. Mixture of post, CnS and PnR is best.

    I have to feel Lin is OK to play because he wasn’t asked about Lin’s ankle at all. They know Al is out but nothing was asked about Lin and he sounded like Lin was in the plans to go with the 4 guard lineup to counter GSWs.

  • CJSHYY

    This is from Cliff’s practice interview today? Cliff said Lin used to post in college.

  • sws94

    Yes.

  • DX

    Felt something weird until you pointed out.

  • LinMad

    I really hope Hornets’ coaches invest more in Lin. I really don’t want to see Lin wasted this season.

  • CJSHYY

    I think the 4 guards it’s Lin, Lamb, Kemba & Batum.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah, isn’t it? It kinda looks like they’re telling other teams that “Hey guys, we’re putting Lin on sale now at 15% off. Come grab a bargain while it last…”

  • DX

    There is another possible. Starters dig a very big hole like 20 points. Lin plays 10 minutes from the last 2 minutes of 1Q. Then make 10 points behind, starters get in and keep digging to 20 more points again. Then Cliff just give up. Lin just sit to the end.

  • Joe what do you know

    I second that!

  • Dan Cohen

    see.. At least cliff actually looked at lin’s COLLEGE tapes to know that..
    I doubt mchale and BS did that.. (definitely not bs.that lazyazz).
    So at least he knows what lin’s strenght is and told him to use it..get back to be as good or better than the college days.

    reight now it’s just that kw is the franchise player and they are paying batum.. so it’s politics.

    So you guys can’t bash on cliffy yet. That statement about knowing him does that in college does speak volumes.. which nba coach actually looks at others college games unless you are drafted.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Cliff will look back Lin’s college tape. Maybe Lin told him when they discussed about tomorrow’s game plan?

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah very good point. And logical guesstimate.
    PTSD runs deep in some Lin fans’ heart. I don’t blame them though. Just wish they could stop letting those dark energy overtake their mind…

  • Dan Cohen

    ok.. if that is the case.. at least they are talking together..and clifford at least will start looking at stuff.. that alone speaks volumes better than mchale or bs.

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff needs Lin & really hope two of them can work well just let this season to be as smooth as possible.

  • Dorothy

    Very few people can stand against the pressure from the institution he works for. Clifford is no exception.

  • Dorothy

    Not going to happen unless injury occurs…

  • kittyhead

    Kemba is far better than JH come on.At least he doesn’t flop to get fouls and stare to defense.= =

  • sws94

    Kemba is shooting almost 40 percent from 3. That’s bound not to continue. But, good for him. And maybe he’ll shoot a high percentage for the full year.

  • Joe what do you know

    I really think he owes part of his gratitude to Lin constantly drawing more than 1 defenders on him. But yeah, I guess he has also improved on his own account

  • sws94

    How much is Lin on the court with him when he knocks them down? He seems to hit them regardless of whether Lin is on the court with him.

  • Joe what do you know

    “Part of his gratitude”. I always choose my words carefully my friend.

  • sws94

    Indeed you do. I appreciate that.

  • Steppen03

    I’m not going to sit here and bash any person or persons for not using JL7 more or giving him more free reign to play his game. Not anymore. If they want to Lose without JL7 is all fine with me. We have no control whatsoever but we know the truth. And just keep supporting JL7 to the end under any circumstances.

  • Acbc

    I don’t necessarily agree. I had predicted that his shooting % would go up this summer because teams now must spread their defence to cover both Lin and Batum. This rise has to do with the fact he’s gotten more time and space to shoot.

    All athletes have a certain level of speed and play. Kemba wasn’t able to perform well under pressure and even now can’t clutch shots when needed. I’ve seen it in every sport. A college player can’t handle the pace of play at the pro level until they adjust to the speed of play and PHYSICALLITY. Every player has their limits, that is the separation of talent. IMO, Kemba can be a very good support player but he can’t be much more than that. On on the other hand lin has proven that he could be the master of chaos, like a wrecking ball that smashes defences. That must come with speed and physicality that Kemba just doesn’t have. Once Lin leaves, I expect the pressure on Kemba will increase again and then he’ll revert back to his former shooting level.

  • sws94

    I get it. It happens with Eli Manning in the football Giants. He handles chaos better than Payton and is great in the clutch 2 minute drives because he handles chaos well (not with speed or physicality though). So Batum and Lin have created conditions to improve Kemba’s shot. Another way Lin helps elevate his teammate.

  • Acbc

    You assume that Kemba doesn’t need Lin to shoot his %. The fact remains that no matter how badly he starts or continues to play, Lin is always there to save the day with his second unit. That transference of confidence makes it much easier for him to chuck away. It’s the same as having a coach that has your back no matter how badly you play…something Lin’s never had since MDA,

    Kemba is the beneficiary of that comfort. This comfort has allowed him to improve his %.

  • Lx

    I would not be surprised if the Warriors destroy the Hornets, but if the Hornets win it will be awesome and also a huge upset. This will be a good test. xD

  • well said, all JLin can do is continue to be ready to perform when the opportunity present themselves.

    Just like Linsanity did in NY. If coaching staff is not smart enough to use JLin to win, it’s literally their loss.

  • LAJane

    He looked at the tapes. Lin does not waste his energy telling coaches what he did in college.

  • Dorothy

    Interesting read about Lakers Kup and BS:

    Commenting on the recent announcement that Kobe Bryant will retire at the end of the 2015-16 NBA season, “Agent X” also had some choice words for the Lakers organization as a whole.

    “In dealing with them, you sense there’s no plan and no leadership,” Agent X said. “That is not meant to be a knock on GM Mitch Kupchak — he is one of the most honest people in the NBA, and if every GM in the league was as easy to negotiate a deal with as Kupchak, things would be a lot easier for guys like me. But you definitely get the sense that he is not able to choose what he thinks is best for his team.”

    When it came to Lakers head coach Byron Scott, Agent X had few positive words to share.

    “In dealing with the Lakers you never get the impression that Byron Scott has a great deal of interest in choosing his roster,” Agent X said of the Lakers coach. “I have dealt with him in his two other stops in Cleveland and New Orleans, and he’s never struck me as a person who was going to take responsibility for anything more than he had to.”

  • Acbc

    A lot of people view the separation of talent by mere physical skills but the truth is that physicality must be processed by the speed of the mind’s eye. It’s as simple as a f1 racer vs you and I driving on the highway. Their eyes have developed the processing skills to handle the speed of top flight racing. The speed of their brain processor is so fast that they can make instantaneous decisions few others can. Elite QBs must have that skill. That’s the same skill Lin has that few others do. Unfortunately there is just no metric used to measure that skill in the NBA. I would even suggest that they sneer at that skill altogether.

  • Rick Johnson

    So the two worst teams in the NBA are playing now. Lakers and 76ers. Thing is only one team is actually trying to win.

  • bolero

    yup . I noticed that . Lin has a chance to shoot but pass instead..

  • bolero

    and it looks like it’s about Lin fans not about Lin..

  • NONONO

    which one want to win? i thought both are tanking

  • Joe what do you know

    So is agent x an anonymous agent? Or is that the nickname of a particular person?

  • Rick Johnson

    Lakers but they have the tank commander so perhaps Mitch doesn’t really want to win.

    PHI is overtly tanking.

  • Dorothy

    “An anonymous sports agent leveled some heavy accusations against the Los Angeles Lakers on Monday, saying that the legendary sports franchise lacks direction and leadership.”

  • NONONO

    When Kobe plays less, Lakers would play better just like last year. But they know they wouldn’t have a chance to make playoffs, they will try to tank again soon.

  • Rick Johnson

    Sportsnet: Agent X: Lakers had no plans for Kobe—or their future
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/agent-x-lakers-had-no-plans-for-kobe-or-their-future/

    “Kobe has shown throughout his career that if he doesn’t trust the players he’s playing with, he will disrupt the offence and try to do everything himself. Last season, Kobe absolutely destroyed teammate Jeremy Lin on a daily basis, to the extent that it made some of the other players uncomfortable and clearly effected Lin’s play. People associated with the team say that, for whatever reason, Kobe just did not like Lin. At all. And he let him know about it on a daily basis.”

  • Joe what do you know

    Good on him then I’d say. This reminds me of Jerry McGuire….

  • Dorothy

    Wow, thanks. The jealousy of Kobe towards Lin is BIG.

  • jeremy

    Bad idea

  • Rick Johnson

    Too bad China is still a big market for Kobe and he still reaps millions of $ from China. SMH

  • Joe what do you know

    Wow… This is a bombshell. Although all of us already speculated this at least, it’s still good to hear it coming from some third party’s mouth.

  • LinMad

    I honestly feel that this is on Cliff. He’s the coach. He praised Batum early season even though Lin was scoring like crazy in preseason and playing like an all star.

    And when regular season started, Batum got his minutes, Lin did not. I don’t care what the minutes say on the stat sheet for Lin. He’s become marginalized for half his minutes when he’s on the floor with Batum and/or Kemba. Lin has had 2 games with 7 pts this season, one in which he shot 50% (2/4). People are saying that Lin is getting enough minutes cause he’s a backup but I don’t think he truly is getting enough minutes. He might play PG by himself for 5 minutes in a game only the rest of his minutes is standing on the side while Batum or Kemba manage the 2nd unit. IMO, Lin was lied to. He should be the one running the 2nd unit but he isn’t. They’d rather allow Batum to even though he is a starter and gets 7-9 TOs in some games without any punishment. Lin will always get punished for the stupidest things. At least Lin’s turnovers are made from his aggression/pushing the ball. Batum tends to lose the ball from bad dribbling/passing.

  • LinMad

    karma comes around. No one even cares that Kobe is retiring, in fact they are happy he is.

  • LinMad

    oh well at least he gained a lot of hate too. The way he’s retiring is nothing close to how MJ retired.

  • LinMad

    I hope PHI gets their first win

  • blubell

    And Jeremy made only positive remarks regarding Kobe after leaving the Lakers. That’s what I call tough. A lot of people wanted Jeremy to speak out but truth always comes out. He didn’t have to compromise his integrity by bad mouthing anyone.

  • LinMad

    it’s on Byron too, the way he creates his lineups. Not just Kobe. I think last season Lakers could have won a lot more games if Byron allowed Lin to play with Ed more.

  • Joe what do you know

    More respect for Jeremy. And glad to see karma take care of the diva and his groupies.

  • wu kong

    I am so amazed at the lack of support players get from their union. I find it insane that such a brutal and unprofessional atmosphere is allowed in a workplace. Sports or not it is a workplace and a certain level of respect and professionalism is expected. The NFL has faced some fines and forced changes in their locker room hazing etc… probably time for basketball

  • sws94

    Kobe looks like a fool out there.

  • Parent of an 8th Grader

    So true!

  • blubell

    He always tries to put a positive light on every situation and everyone around him. He knows God has his back and will take care of everything 🙂

  • wu kong

    the 38 point ‘Do you know Jeremy Lin?’ embarrassment game probably had something to do with his behavior. also he has a completely different philosophy of life and basketball… Kobe is ALL about the game being a war. he plays better angry etc. he can not understand someone that plays better when happy or plays for JOY. Kobe is a head case…. a very sick unbalanced human. JLin is a well balanced truly good-hearted decent human. Clash of everything.

  • Brent Yen

    This is not a news…LOL jk

  • LinMad

    Is it true that Jeremy Lin recently asked his fans to pray for him? This guy does have a few very good points. Lin does sacrifice his body for the team when he’s defending but all the cred goes to everyone else but him cause he rarely gets to play his style. His stats are below his averages this season. It’s only hurting him to be on this team.

    Smith A • 2 hours ago

    Buyout!

    So, Jeremy Lin is currently asking his fans to pray for him on account of his “pride and emotional issues”. Lin, you have the right to be PISSED OFF at LIARS: coach ClifFraud, GM ChoKe, and owner LUREdan.

    The Hornets sure look pretty damn good for a CHANGE, but your stats read like a SCRUB in your CONTRACT season! Even though you play solid. !!!!! What does it say about your role??!! All the credit goes to the coach and their superstars – and NONE to you, while you do mostly the dirty and dangerous work for the team (This isn’t an Ivy League college. It’s the NBA with brute human specimens, and guards are the smallest) .

    Buyout!

  • Wow .. NBA fans and Kobe fans need to know about this.
    Let them know that the much adored Kobe destroyed JLin on a daily basis during his lone Lakers season.

    Let’s see how much it will hurt Kobe’s popularity in China

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    First step, sit out the next 5 games, sprained ankle.

  • Dorothy

    This.

  • blubell

    He’s always asking his fans to pray for him in his prayer request emails so its not out of the ordinary. Prayer is important for Christians.

  • LinMad

    ya! then sit out the next 10 games, bruised butt from sitting out too long.

  • wu kong

    we need those others players to speak out. Wish they had last year. The famous line from Pastor Martin Niemöller poem “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.” comes to mind. not speaking up, not protecting someone else when you see them being bullied is cowardice and in the end you could be next…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    hahaha.

  • Brent Yen

    But is it legit?

  • LinMad

    I see, I should sign up for his newsletter so I can read these things.

  • sws94

    That’s the big question.

  • wu kong

    we need other players to speak out. they probably won’t though.

  • kittyhead

    wOW is that Lin’s agent? lol I hate my stupidity to ever trust Kobe’s words…He derserves zero respect for being a so selfish player and no character man,

  • blubell

    Jordan Hill and Wesley Johnson spoke out about Kobe’s treament but not specifically about JLin.

  • Yascar

    Right on sister. I’m so proud of Jeremy. I just wish there were more people not afraid to take his side at the time.

    Clearly it was every man for himself at the Lakers. But that’s the culture they built.

  • Kobe clearly was upset when Boozer and Lin criticized him for being selfish in Game 10 then demoted him in Game 20. After that, there’s no more “mentoring” talk from Kobe

    Then the whole “Charmin” incident, Kobe was reportedly daring JLin to shoot throughout the game and calling him out. so much for mentoring & hugging pic

    I’d say the point corroborated what we saw on-court.
    This Agent X also talked about a lot of other stuff on Kobe & Lakers

  • Joe what do you know

    Lol. Can’t imagine him doing that but liked the humour.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Too small for $2 mil contract to buyout. Either trade or waive.

  • sws94

    Not liking Randall’s game. He needs a real coach to reel him in. Clarkson is decent, pretty good. The team looks horrible. Lou Williams should start, at least he plays like an NBA player. The product that the Lakers have out there is a disgrace.

    Phili just isn’t good. They lack talent. But the Lakers have some and play an undisciplined, disorganized style of basketball.

  • Dorothy

    I doubt it, because Agent X dealt with BS during his time at Cleveland and New Orleans.

  • blubell

    Swaggy P spoke out too. I wonder what their relationship is really like…

  • Swaggy also got in the dog house after dogging Kobe in jokes during that talk show w/ Lin & Ellington.
    He said another thing that got him DNP-ed a few times

    There’s a recurring pattern of bad things happen when someone criticized Kobe.
    That much everyone can see

  • Joe what do you know

    *nod like crazy with agreement*

  • Dorothy

    Yep, I have always suspected the treatment Russel is getting from BS has to do with his tweeters about Kobe’s rape incident… way before he joined Lakers.

  • sws94

    Go Phili! Go!

  • that was actually Larry Nance Jr who apologized to Kobe

    Russel tweeted about T-Mac being the GOAT in Aug 2015

  • sws94

    14 points up now. Nobody out tanks the Tankers led by Commander Scott. Nobody.

  • CJSHYY

    Lakers down by -14 to 76? Saw the sign for Kobe said Thank you for give us the memory from China.

  • Dorothy

    I see, my bad, will delete it from the post and my brain too 🙂

  • CJSHYY

    Well, they want to loss so it’s OK?!

    https://twitter.com/LakersReporter/status/671874370294456320

  • Kobe’s gift for his hometown Philly?
    Glad 76ers can get the 1st W

  • kittyhead

    Talk it like it’s a great record?

  • Kobe keeps breaking record the wrong way ‘0-0’

  • bolero

    i think the article was referring to the old prayer request by JLin. A few weeks ago..I haven’t received a recent prayer request yet…

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! But I see Kobe is back again. No needs to call he just walk by himself….

  • things are so weird in LA now

  • Dorothy

    Very possible.

  • 76ers doesn’t know how to win.
    Up 8pts (96-88) with 3 min left, they chucked 3 straight 3s

    Good thing Kobe helped them to shoot 3

  • Brent Yen

    What I meant is, Wikipedia is great for many correct info and some bad ones, but is it a legit source for Journalism citation? just giving example here…lol

  • heart

    Loosing mentality vs loosing mentality. Let’s see which team remains in that loosing mode.

  • spiderman

    just likes breaking records lol

  • CJSHYY

    76 will win. up 11 now. Finally Kobe got FT…

  • Kobe even lost a layup 101-90 now

    Kobe 4-16 from 3s. Yikes!

  • heart

    So 76rs will taste their first victory from the Lakers. 1-18 for this season!

  • CJSHYY

    Almost every player from 76 hug Kobe… Calling Kobe… sort of sad….

  • Singapore BB Fan

    1st Win for 76er.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    almost feel bad when Grant blocked Kobe

  • wandertheglobe

    I'm sorry, Kobe is not just terrible, he's hot trash mixed with a dose of absurd selfishness.— Haralabos Voulgaris (@haralabob) December 2, 2015

  • sws94

    Misses 2 out of 3 FTs, dribbles a ball off of his foot in a fast break and has it locked up for a jump ball, losing the jump ball. Kobe, shouldn’t have returned this season. The swan song is an ugly one.

  • CJSHYY

    I know.. I think Ref should give Kobe more call like Harden…. He just can’t shoot well now.

  • It’s so bizzare.
    Philly fans gave standing ovation for the 1st W

    Also, chanted “Kobe! Kobe” as he valiantly demonstrated a performance art to create increasing difficulty of launching 3s in his 4-17 shooting

    I’m so glad Lin is not wasting his peak age of 27 years old in this Kobe Farewell tour.
    Lakers players just sort of give up playing basketball.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    haha…ya Kobe even missed an open 3. just to show he has loss his touch.

  • I am The Jason

    Congrats to the Sixers on their first win. The Lakers are the bottom of the barrel in the NBA and they are trying to win.

  • Brent Yen

    When did he say that?

  • james brown

    This the reason i am not liking the player whose name is like KOBe and chose to follow a player named JLIN!!!
    they are two different kind of player on and off the court and somehow, their skill level might now be equal, but i chose to follow a player who’s values not included the word EGO and Selfishness !

  • It was so bizzare.

    You can see Kobe is so focused on just making 1 great 3 as he kept missing.
    He just craved adoration so much; this guy will do some bizzare stuff when he’s no longer playing

  • Happy for 76ers who tried really hard to win!

    I just feel bad for Kobe’s teammates. Their soul is being sucked out of them.
    They’re just supporting roles in this Kobe Broadway traveling show

  • sws94

    at practice today

  • Joe what do you know

    He’s one of those “trophy hunters” if you are familiar with PlayStation terminology….

  • This is how bizzare the Kobe Broadway show has become
    https://twitter.com/LeBatardShow/status/671881852156813314

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lakers @ Wiz tomorrow.

  • Yes, I would always have more respect to players like Tim Duncan and Jeremy Lin.
    Even MJ wouldn’t embarrass himself like this

    I have long lost respect of Kobe since the Colorado rape incident.
    Without basketball, Kobe is a mere predator.

  • John Focker

    The Kobe show is so funny! Lost to the lowly Sixers…

    What’s even more amazing is that despite his high volume chucking, Kobe still only managed to get only 9.9 PER, which typically rewards volume chuckers. This says A LOT about how bad Kobe is now..

    ESPN is wrong YET AGAIN with ranking Kobe 96th, but this time it’s overranking…Kobe should be 300+.

  • CJSHYY

    This is Kobe’s hometown.

  • heart

    Yep. It’s Not only Kobe. What does it also say about the Lakers org. to allow this madness to go on for years. Remember Kobe berated Lin in front of the reporters in practice…

  • 1mtoldman

    kobe made 3 of his first 4 shots all 3’s i think within like the first minute of the game; this got him excited so he proceeded to go on and shoot 16 or 17 3’s. missing 18 of his remainaing 22 total shots.

  • 1mtoldman

    wiz beat cleveland today in cleveland. lakers should be a walk.

  • BScott tried to offer any explanation.
    But it’s clear who’s the boss

    https://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes/status/671884710965059584

  • CJSHYY

    FO agreed to do this bc it’s his last year…. & they want to loss….

  • sport

    It’s really up to Lin to take more shots. Pretty sure the coach to didn’t tell him to not shoot the ball! Lin’s worst weakness is being too willing of a passer. Last game Batum wasn’t hitting shots yet instead of taking his own shots, Lin kept passing to Batum. Then when Batum made that clutch 3 from Walker’s assist he didn’t even feel like low fiving Lin. Lin should worry more about his own stats then about “fitting” into a team that won’t even start him! Get his 20+ points for high PPG that should be his goal!

  • real-dsb

    As I thought… Sixers win one before warriors lose!

  • Sophie Paris

    Kobe is done. He makes his farewell season like a big showcase of his glorious past lol.

  • real-dsb

    It also gets reposted here, even if you don’t sign up

  • oh, this is more like whistleblower than wikipedia LOL

  • watch if Kobe shoots better by end of season, he’ll announce “I’m coming baaaack!” lol

  • PETE B

    EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT LIN GOT TO TAKE MORE SHOTS
    LIN YOU GOT TO KNOCK SHOTS DOWN!

  • CJSHYY

    He will. I am not worry about it.

  • PETE B

    ITS SIMPLE RIGHT?

  • CJSHYY

    We will know tomorrow.

  • Guest

    Emotional issue? Because he may not play tomorrow?

  • Lin has been shooting well (2-3 from 3pt line in past 2 games, 4-10 FGM/A, 4/4 FT)
    He just needs to shoot more. That’s all

  • John Focker

    He’s never heard of quit while you’re ahead…

  • John Focker

    It’s Jimmy Wus…I mean Buss.

  • LinMad

    He shot 50% 2/4 that other day where he only ended with 7 pts. If he took more shots, he would have made a bigger impact. But it’s not as easy as if he took more shots. He needs touches. He needs coach, Kemba, Batum to trust Lin more on shooting.

  • John Focker

    BS used so much lipstick that now the whole pig is pink (not just the lips)!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You can hit and miss 5 straight, the important is will he still be playing after 2 or 3 misses?

  • LinMad

    or 2-3 TOs, whereas Batum is getting 7-9 TOs like it’s no big deal.

  • Joe what do you know

    Well…. I really don’t think Batum having 7-9TOs is fine by the coach. Seriously, no coaches like to see that. I really and truly think it’s the FO politics that is allowing Batum to see so much court time despite horrible passing ability (he does see some of the opening, I give him that. But his passing execution is so sloppy that I think my 2 yr old nephew can do better than him) …. Just know that I absolutely hate watching Batum make those what I called “sissy passes”….

  • LinMad

    An excerpt of Lin’s email to his digital prayer group.

    “As I start my 6th year in the NBA, I’d say I’ve enjoyed the first couple months of this season more than any other season, mainly because God is showing me more and more the intricacies of understanding that my identity as a person isn’t in my job or performance, but in Him.

    Please pray that I would stay in this state of mind. As a very emotional person, I know it can be a quick change from being in a great place mentally/spiritually to worrying and being anxious about my life and future.”

    It looks like Lin is trying to be optimistic about this team. But it is a thin line before he realizes that he’s been marginalized and that Charlotte isn’t his home. I think some point down the season, if Cliff doesn’t reassure that Lin is a player they want on the team, he will be worried about which team to go to next and whether he has a future in the NBA. That’s what I got from the e-mail but I know some of you may disagree with me.

  • orLinaryjoe

    NO, STOP YELLING! WE CAN HEAR!

  • Joe what do you know

    Slap your own face Byron, you said you don’t believe in 3s. And the fact is Kobe died every single game with it….

  • sws94

    It’s internal. It’s his struggle.

  • sws94

    It’s beyond absurd how many 3 pointers he took. It was like an anti-comedy show. It was cringe-worthy. how does Byron play him over 30 minutes. Play him 18-20 and let the rest of the team start to try to win games. Scott is a disgrace.

  • LinMad

    If it’s really FO, I dont’ know what to say other than, you are losing something that could have been really big for your franchise. I mean Lin moving to Charlotte has already brought in a lot of good to the franchise. It’s ashame that they can’t add the exclamation mark to it by playing Lin more minutes and allowing him to play his way with the 2nd unit.

  • LinMad

    agree, but I also feel like he does care about his fans too. We are always there for him. So when we’re angry, I think he feels some of it too.

  • yes, I voted so in 1 Twitter poll =)
    Tomorrow it’s the truth can be revealed

  • your son’s voltaire

    he can’t be worrying about that. if the coach is going to bench him even after a superb clutch overtime performance, he’s gonna bench him no matter what. just go out there and play aggressive even if it means missing 10 straight shots

  • Joe what do you know

    Yeah. It’s not too hard to piece all the clues lying out there to come up with a speculation as to why Lin is in this situation yet again. It seems that it was never what he has done on or off the court. I just think it’s always the timing of things. Lamb being extended, Charlotte wants Batum more than Lin, Kemba just got extended for another 4 yrs with Jordan shoe deal and has been their franchise player all these years…. What can I say? Lin is a superbly gifted player and a heck of a role model. But he seems to be extremely bad lucked when it comes to his basketball career….

  • LinMad

    Maybe it’s time for Lin to be selfish. If he makes a lot of mistakes, who cares. What does he got to lose? Coach is already playing Lin like he’s a mistake so Lin should just watch out for himself. Play for him, not the team. Stop sacrificing himself on defense cause ain’t no one care about having defensive plays of the game. Lets see Kemba, Batum, Lamb play D and play make on their own. Lin should just shoot every chance he gets. Then team will take more Ls.

    IMO, the only reason Cliff got the extension was because Lin. If he wasn’t doing all the non-superstar plays and defense, I think Hornets would be a 10th-11th team right now and MJ would be waiting to see if he should resign Cliff or not.

  • Lin Win

    You miss every shot you don’t take! In Kobrick’s case ! He missed every shot LOL

  • John Focker

    What are you talking about? BS is like the MJ of tankers!

  • your son’s voltaire

    exactly, there’s nothing to lose by being aggressive, but all to gain. he should play with the mindset that he deserves to take just as many shots as the next guy on the team. start off with 10 shots per game and gradually increase it to 15 by the end of the season. baby steps

  • LinMad

    he should play with the mindset that he’s deserves to take just as many shots as the first guy on the team. <-fixed

    Cause I don't think there is a next guy on the team when Lin is the last person in.

  • your son’s voltaire

    proves that the lakers are the worst team in the league while the Warriors are the best

  • your son’s voltaire

    true

  • oh boy .. things can get weirder

    @BaxterHolmes
    Kobe says he sensed PHI players were in awe after he hit first 3 shots: “[Like] ‘Holy ****, is this going to be an 81-[point] situation?’”

    https://twitter.com/SheridanBlog/status/671901030506995714

  • LinMad

    The only thing I can think of is Batum/Clifford is similar to what Lin had to face in Lakers with Kobe/Byron. The only difference is that one thinks he can shoot better than Lin, the other thinks he can play make better than Lin.

  • sws94

    I hope he was kidding.

  • CJSHYY
  • heart

    It’s Cho. He wants Batum starting at the 2. Read this article and judge for yourself:

    http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/hornets-gm-rich-cho-wants-batum-and-mkg-starting-together-062515

  • Rick Johnson
  • Acbc

    As most Asians have probably faced similar treatment, it doesn’t surprise me that this was happening to Lin because it happens to most if not all of us to some degree. The name calling, snickering, bullying and physical abuse are part of the American Asian experience. Sad but true. We’ve become so used to it that we don’t even flinch by disrespect. It wasn’t until my English girlfriend complain to me that the bank teller just treated me like a second class citizen, It was only then that I woke up from out of my desensitization.

    Like I’ve said so many times before, Asian Americans were finally freed by Lydon B Johnson just about 50 years ago. Before that, we couldn’t immigrate or repatriate family. The coolies that built the railroads were treated like dogs and left to die off without ever seeing their family again. They couldn’t bring families over and they were afraid to leave for fear of not being allowed back into the country. So many scratched out a meager living to send money back home living out their lives in loneliness.

    Lin’s such a brave human being, a staggeringly powerful Christian that lives the Word. Lin truly
    Loves his enemies. One of the greatest words of wisdom was from JFK which is so apt for your feelings. ” if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem”. Lin stands firm to make a difference.

  • LinMad

    I dont know why we went so far away from preseason form and gameplan
    If we didnt we should easily be a 50 with reachable 60 win team. It does look like 40 wins even if we are held back as we are now.
    by jabronija on Dec 1, 2015 | 11:08 PM up reply

    ^Exactly what I thought about. The preseason gameplan looked so much better than the current game plan of the Hornets. And we were 7-1 when Lin was playing his style. And each game was exciting to watch and Lin did well in each one. It looked more aggressive and fluid.

  • Andrew Ho

    Sounds like he’s trying to cope with the not ideal situation to me…

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Lin doesn’t deserve 1 minute let alone 30. He was not drafted. He is not talented. He is not a closer. Air ball boy sucks. Get used to it and stop blaming every coach he plays for!

  • Joe what do you know

    I respect your opinion but I probably have to disagree with you here. I see Batum as something more of a puppet entrusted into his current role by the FO for the reason akin to “creating Hornet’s BIG 3”. He himself is not at all that ambitious but he simply go along with the flow because who would turn down such good chance of being groomed into a franchise’s next big thing? So I really don’t think Batum and Clifford is out there purposely marginalising Lin. But hey, this is only my opinion, I just have this vibe that Batum is a pretty laid back person. Welcome to disgrace with me if you think otherwise.

  • CJSHYY

    Please NO. I think this is it. On the day I saw his wife & kids w him on MSG, I knew he will retired… bc it’s his last trip as Lakers player to MSG.

  • Joe what do you know

    We have a patient escaped from mental ward…. He likes to call himself Kobe Bryant….

  • LinMad

    Knowing that MJ is friends with Kobe, do you think there is something going on behind the scenes that would explain Lin being marginalized?

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    LMAO keep dreaming you delusional clown. Lin stinks. Accept it.

  • Steppen03

    Honestly now, were we all expecting JL7 to stay as Hornets beyond this season ?? I mean it’s not impossible but very unlikely even from the beginning. This is just another stop in his career. Surely, we didn’t expect Hornets to trade away Kemba for Lin… No surprises.

  • LinMad

    oh hi RA

  • LinMad

    thanks for coming RA. Come again.

  • Dorothy

    Troll alert!!! Flagged.

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    I’m not rival you dummy. Quit trolling our boards. Linturds obsessed and still blaming everyone else for why Lin isn’t a star.

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Cry more

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Stay off of LN you clown. We got rid of that trash named Lin so why are you still obsessed with the Lakers? Troll.

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t think so. This is not Lakers. MJ is not Buss kid… LOL!

  • LinMad

    HAHAHAHAHAHA welcome to the internet where I have the freedom to go anywhere

  • CJSHYY

    No need to response to Troll.

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Welcome to the NBA were ch!nks get destroyed nightly! Enjoy that benching!

  • LinMad

    I hope so. I hope MJ was sincere when he said Lin was biggest acquisition this season.

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Troll? Go to lakersnation and see his comments. Linturds just mad because us Lakers fans don’t talk about that clown anymore while you all still talk about us daily!

  • Steppen03

    I don’t think so. Cliff is one of the better coaches out there right now. Who else …? Changing coach will not solve problems for the Hornets as a team. JL7 just have to find “fit” in the team – that’s the only way he’s doing right.

  • Guest

    mj used lin for marketing only.

  • Joe what do you know

    That’s stretching too far. And why would MJ need to do Kobe favours? I don’t recall Kobe done anything for…. anyone… actually….

  • Joe what do you know

    It’s a nice thing to say and nice to hear it. But pretty sure it was the business talking….

  • DX

    That will be too dramatic. 🙂

  • Rick Johnson

    It’s just wrong to do this to old players. LOL

    https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/671904027647598594?s=09

  • Dorothy

    I like Dirk, but this is sort of comical

  • sws94

    The only thing I’ll say, because I’m not agreeing with this marginalization/conspiracy talk, is MJ and Kobe have a similar driven type of quality. I think MJ is less of an obsessive nut than Kobe is but MJ has that same and more wanting to see a killer quality, not back down, ram-in-down-the-throat type of personality or at least player’s stance and attitude. He’s seeing that from Batum. He’s seeing some of that from Batum. I don’t know if he is seeing enough from Lin and here’s why.

    Lin has just as much ability to impose his will on a game with his driving/dishing and scoring as Kemba. Yet, he’s not doing it as much and deferring. That deferring may turn MJ off. I think if Lin really wants to impress MJ he has to think of being decisive and not letting his foot off the gas. Take the shots when presented, throw the pass and facilitate regardless of who is on the court when you get the ball, and so forth. I’m sure MJ likes Lin’s D and his hustle. But MJ may think with Lin’s talent, is his mindset the type to attack and keep the foot down non stop. If he doesn’t sense Lin is, he’ll look for another PG with some of Lin’s talent but a less deferring mindset.

    This is on Lin and no one else to make that choice to be relentless and like Linsanity’s Lin in approach or be like he’s been with the Rockets and Lakers and defer. And so far, he’s leaning towards more deferring than attacking and being decisive and relentless.

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Not as comical as Lin pretending to be an NBA player!

  • sws94

    He’s flagged. No more need to respond to him. Let him talk to himself.

  • jolno

    Got to hand it to Kobe for being the MVP of the night ……………… for the Sixers.

    The Sixers have lost a record breaking 28 consecutive games entering tonight and every new loss means a new record being made. When will the embarrassment stop? Don’t worry! Uncle brick-star Kobe is in for the rescue. The Sixers fans were happily chanting KOBE KOBE because they knew he is the only hope for their Sixers to actually win a game. (Technically speaking, the Sixers were worse than the Lakers at trying to lose LOL).

    After tonight’s assaults against the rim, Kobe is now shooting a robust 30.1% from the field and 20.8% from the three point line. The league average so far is 44.2% from the field and 34.8% for 3 pointers. Kobe’s strategic announcement for retirement enabled him to brick to his heart’s content since this is his last season anyways. For all the unfair treatment so far from the Hornets, at least Lin does not need to be part of the joke that is also called Kobe’s “farewell tour”.

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Crying aren’t you?

  • WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately?

    Yet he’ll still be in the HOF and Lin will only be remembered by his ch!nk community fanbase.

  • Joe what do you know

    Guys, that’s try not to travel to other forums that should’ve been buried deep down under the sands of time and disturb those ancient evil beings….

  • Troll has been banned for violating
    But I would encourage true Lin fans to be respectful to other basketball fans in many forums.

    That way we create more friends for JLin than enemies. That’s a big way to support JLin.
    Thank you

  • thank you.

  • your son’s voltaire

    but that’s one of my favorite pastimes

  • Joe what do you know

    I’m lazy. I don’t like hassles….

  • jeremy

    Lin is very timid
    He set his mind to being a good teammate, making plays for others.
    When teammates ask for the ball, he always gives it.
    Always follows the coach’s instructions, play calls…

    Frankly, that’s not what an NBA star looks like or a leader
    a very typical role player
    Thats what, I think, Clifford meant by starting leveL
    – He can be inserted as a starter if there’re no other options he would play just NBA-Average but will not be given the freedom to play his game, will not be catered to, ever.
    I dont think Lin is a star
    but he can be a good player
    or he will stay a role player who gets bounced around

  • wu kong

    This is where having a real friend or two would come in handy. If kobe had actual friends maybe some of them would pull him back from the ledge.. Geesh this is weird and scary… I cant even seem to laugh at this it is just so weird/sad.

  • jeremy

    Thank you and well said!

  • JoeTeam

    LOL kobe’s farewell tour- going around and losing in front of crowds. How he’s going on interviews laughing it up. The guy is no Willie Mays.

  • JoeTeam

    no

  • sws94

    He’s not always timid though.
    There are a few times where he’s a relentless player and decides he’s going to be “the man”.
    Those times are getting fewer and further between unfortunately.

  • jeremy

    he’s horrible and so pretentious and fake
    I used to like him but man he got old he has no business putting up 20+ shots night in night out
    reminds me of Ronaldo who was unwatchable at the end of his career
    but I will still miss him hes been the NBA for me for pretty much my whole life lol

  • LinMad

    thanks, i’ll keep that in mind

  • Hope

    Come on jlin, 35/10. It’s about time.

  • sws94

    He’s playing horribly. He can’t jump, can’t run, and only on 2 or 3 plays are there flashes of the old Kobe. But mostly he looks like a broken down, pathetic, desperate, overmatched, old fool taking way too many 3s and not being able to even win a jump ball against a 3 inch shorter player. It’s not a pretty sight watching him.

  • jeremy

    He seems to only get like that when his shots are falling or when hes confident
    If he doesnt believe he can take over then he wont be able to do it
    I still think his best years were when he was a rocket, he was more relentless back then
    was fun to watch
    Now it seems he tries to play too safe

  • JoeTeam

    I don’t get why anyone buys that guy’s shirt for his kid. It’s not a jersey, but a guy’s shirt because he’s more than mortal.

  • heart

    Wow, have you guys/gals read the article from Sports Net on Agent X revealing how Kobe ‘destroyed’ Lin daily…? So outrageous!
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/agent-x-lakers-had-no-plans-for-kobe-or-their-future/

  • jeremy

    Horribly written bad grammar
    They dont look legit

  • blubell

    This was posted and discussed earlier. Scroll down 🙂

  • Acbc

    Lol, why are you even a fan of someone you have so little respect for?

  • JoeTeam

    yep. my son beat me on running back plays this weekend. I’ve had my fun days, and more ahead if I do what I can. We get old. One hast to just let go and live gracefully.

  • heart

    Thanks. Saw jlinportal posted on twitter.

  • I disagree.

    Are Tim Duncan, Stephen Curry timid too for listening to Coaches and focus on team plays?
    These are MVP players who are beloved by their teammates while still winning rings.

    Kobe aggressive and selfish leadership is one type of leadership but it’s not as long-lasting if he’s cooperative. Instead of 5, he could have won 7-8 with Shaq

    JLin is buying into team basketball like Duncan and Curry.
    He just hasn’t had the luxury to stay in one place and system to know when to score or when to facilitate.
    He’s not a finished product yet. Just take a look at Kahwi Leonard, he was Finals MVP 2 years ago but didn’t so well last year. And he had been in the same Spurs system for 5 years.

    So no, JLin isn’t timid. He’s a highly intelligent BB player whose ceiling can be better than Linsanity in NY 2012. Will it happen? We have to wait and find out

  • wu kong

    billy goat gruff! calling billy goat gruff! for those unaware of this children’s story… http://www.worldstories.org.uk/stories/story/79-three-billy-goats-gruff

  • JoeTeam

    interesting to read about Kobe just inexplicably not liking Lin. To me it’s easy to understand … Lin is everything Kobe is not, so the animosity is natural. We know what that means, across the board. Alright …

  • it would be nice to see some more legit sources on this. also “destroyed” Lin daily is pretty open to interpretation.

  • jeremy

    Do I have to believe he’s a star to be his fan?

  • heart

    Yep.

  • your son’s voltaire

    kobe is a rapist, it’s not surprise that he’s a racist too

  • occupatio

    i think the word ‘destroyed’ is clear; its not ambiguous. it means that kobe verbally abused lin. the setting must be team practices. its widely known that kobe talks trash a lot in practice, so you put it together, and the picture is clear.

  • Joe what do you know

    Is that your interpretation of “destroyed”…. Lol

  • sws94

    What made him come alive in OT in the Kings game? Anyone see that coming? Anyone know why? Up to that point Kemba was dominating and Lin had made a 3 and a drive for a 2. But in OT he suddenly turned into the man. What made him flick the switch and decide he’ll make the big buckets the team needed?

    In the other game he was the man it was that first game against the Knicks. He just went into Linsanity mode, making tough shots, chasing guys up the court that took the ball away and taking it right back from them, and making big plays for his team mates. He was so good Clifford sat Kemba down.

    HIs shot wasn’t really falling in any of those games much yet he took some big shots and seemed to wil them in. Why? where did the confidence come from especially in the OT game where he was having just a regular game up until that point?

  • jeremy

    Those 2 were completely trusted by coaches and their teams tried very hard to develop them they can still be super stars and be unselfish and curry does take a lot of shots imo.
    Lin does not have that luxury he lost it thanks to Morey so when the opportunity arises, he’s gotta grab it with both hands again like he did in NY.
    Just play for himself.

  • your son’s voltaire

    there’s absolutely no reason to hate Lin the way kobe did

    “Last season, Kobe absolutely destroyed teammate Jeremy Lin on a daily
    basis, to the extent that it made some of the other players
    uncomfortable and clearly effected Lin’s play. People associated with
    the team say that, for whatever reason, Kobe just did not like Lin. At
    all. And he let him know about it on a daily basis”

  • occupatio

    an in-game example is when lin didnt foul to stop the clock towards the end of a game bc byron said not to foul and then kobe rushed forward to do the foul himself. afterwards, kobe said something that either explicitly called, or implied, that lin was an id iot. i forget the exact phrasing but it was something along those lines.

  • blubell

    Well why do you follow him? I have to agree with Acbc. Your post shows you have little respect and faith for Jeremy. You belittled him as a person and a basketball player.

  • Joe what do you know

    Sorry…. I was referring to your mentioning of Kobe being a rapist…. I can get a bit carried away sometimes. Apologies. Lamo!!

  • jeremy

    Defenders were more focused on Kemba

  • sws94

    Curry is a huge scoring PG and takes a lot of shots for a PG. Since he has an exceptional shot he was valued as a scorer even when other aspects of his game weren’t as developed.

    Lin’s got a semi-chaotic, on-the-edge style that scares some coaches. He conversely has a very calm way of facilitating too. He has an odd combination of qualities. Some are near elite, others below average for his position. So, star or average or stuff like that doens’t apply to Lin. He looks like an all-star, just ok, pretty bad, or incredible where other players have less of a range between their bottoms and tops.

  • your son’s voltaire

    no apologies needed! it’s all good. anyways, it’s pretty clear that kobe did rape that girl in Colorado

  • jeremy

    Because I genuinely like him
    Who are you to say I have no respect for him or no faith in him?
    I don’t belittle him just telling it as is
    Not sure why you catch feelings

  • occupatio

    this supports the idea that when byron said lin was ‘soft’ or not ‘tough’, it was echoing something kobe had said. kobe’s model of a PG teammate is derek fisher, who is a very different type of player than lin. that’s kobe’s idea of tough. ie, someone who will talk back at you, and is willing to physically hurt someone on the court.

    the source looks reliable to me because of the non-lin related details it discusses such as the drafting of russell instead of okafor. the focus of the piece is not on lin at all (the lin details are an aside instead of a key point) and that is precisely why the piece looks reliable — in other words, the article does not have an agenda to speak on lin’s behalf.

  • jeremy

    A lot of players can look like all stars one game then pretty bad the next game
    Real stars consistently look like all stars

  • sws94

    In the NY game Kemba was sitting though. You see what I mean? He flicks a switch sometimes and I’m not sure if there is a rhyme or reason.

    You can look at a player and sometimes he gets a look in his eye of no more, I’m going to take over now. He had that look in the NY game and in OT. He has it, he’s not just a timid guy that wants to please. Yes, he wants to please and have a happy type of locker room and on court team where all our involved. And that’s good. But there are times where he is the guy with the skills needed to deliver and I don’t know if he fully understands that most of the time, he’s capable of delivering and needs to just flick that switch.

  • jeremy

    Just because I dont share the same views as you
    doesnt mean I dont like Lin
    Why dont you get that lol

  • jeremy

    Why cant a Lin fan have diffrent opinions than you lol
    Gotta be more accepting but you are not

  • sws94

    Right. And that would mean Lin isn’t an all-star. But Lin’s range of qualities are quite odd for a player in that even if he doesn’t produce, we can see some elite qualities and underdeveloped qualities in most of his games.

  • sws94

    Byron is like a little robot that tries to be tough. It is him that isn’t tough. He’s a petty little tyrant because someone said he could be a head coach. But he’s lacking in people skills and good coaches, even tough ones, have to have people skills.

  • occupatio

    byron scott is a small man.

  • blubell

    I apologize if I misinterpreted your post but it is just depressing to read. Cheer up, fellow JLin fan lol.

  • John Focker

    BS is a midget in terms of self esteem, like a chihuahua that acts all tough only because of the Kobe bully mastiff behind him.

  • jeremy

    lol my bad
    I will be more positive then ahaha
    Just that his PT makes me make negative comments lol

  • wu kong

    but his wife got a great ring out of it 😉 picture on refresh

  • occupatio

    being competitive requires the channeling of aggression. lin does have that latent aggression, but i think his notion of what a christian is supposed to be, prevents him from tapping into it fully. especially pride — its not easy to fully express super confidence if you think pride is a bad thing and should be suppressed.

  • John Focker

    So dumb. That’s a pretty big and shiny reminder of the rape case to anyone who sees the ring!

  • sws94

    He’s got to figure it out because I think a lot of Christians have been able to play competitive sports.

  • occupatio

    there are many ways of being a christian. most players dont beat themselves up about being too proud.

  • Lin Win

    Don’t worry I found out who the troll was HAHA Banned!

  • Lin Win

    Byron Scott: Lakers ‘Going To Live And Die’ With Kobe Bryant’s Shooting
    Yeah they are going to die alright!
    Feel sorry for all the other Laker players!

  • blubell

    But how many of them are in his situation? He is a minority in the NBA as an Asian, Harvard graduate, undrafted, etc. He’s got lot to deal with.

  • sws94

    I don’t know. That’s a challenge for Team Lin.

  • wu kong

    She cancelled the divorce stood by her man and looked the perfect part of loving trusting wife … for some the money and material possessions are all life is about.

  • John Focker

    Going to? They’ve already died twice over and only got D’Angelo and a stinking reputation in return.

  • John Focker

    I’m glad she’s got her priorities straight… /S

  • John Focker

    Currently being the ONLY Asian American that looks the part (Clarkson is only part-Asian and doesn’t look it), Lin’s does not even count as minority, more like an anomaly.

  • John Focker

    Kobe WAS done two years ago. He stayed for cash grab and attention-wh*ring.

  • blubell

    In a way being a pioneer is being an anomaly. Whatever the outcome is him in his NBA journey, he has made a mark in history and paved the way for future Asian-Americans. His story will be told.

  • wu kong

    well it does seem they were meant for each other

  • John Focker

    Precisely. The next Jeremy will have a smoother journey because the league has already seen a precedent, and will be more vigilant on preventing the embarrassment of missing another Linsanity.

  • blubell
  • wu kong

    after the agent x comments… it made me think of the celebration the teammates had that Kobe dissed and then of course BS jumps on the bandwagon the next day admonishing that players for their ‘unprofessional behavior’ ‘not the way to act as a Laker’ blah blah blah… but no push back against Kobe calling his teammates Charmin or attacking them on a daily basis. wow just wow. This makes me even more angry that the players do not have any protection from this bully behavior. come on where is the players union.?!?! https://youtu.be/DlX1ommrkYY

  • wu kong

    https://youtu.be/72o7Zsm5z1U Published on Mar 1, 2015

    After the Lakers defeated the Bucks 101-93 on February 27, 2015, PG Jeremy Lin was asked about his thoughts on Kobe Bryant’s reaction on Jimmy Kimmel just a few days prior. Interviewed by Helen Yee @helenyeesports

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  • wu kong

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,626534,00.html “This past Monday — three days after Colorado prosecutors announced that he was being charged with the June 30 rape of a 19-year-old employee at a resort he had visited — Kobe Bryant, his wife, Vanessa, and their 6-month-old daughter, Natalia, walked into an exclusive jewelry boutique in Santa Monica, Calif., PEOPLE reports in its latest issue. Their purpose for being there: to pick up the surprise that the NBA star had waiting for Vanessa — a stunning 8-carat purple diamond ring worth about $4 million.

  • occupatio

    interesting. ive never seen this footage.

  • Joe what do you know

    I recall NBAPA president used to be Derick Fisher, Kobe’s teammate, possibly still good friend…. Even though he’s probably stepped down from that position, who knows if he still has influence in anyway over the Player Association?

  • occupatio

    realistically, no one would ever report to the players union about something like this. it would be the end of your career to do so.

    not unlike a cop snitching on another cop. life will not be pleasant for you ever again if you did that.

  • leeda harun

    i think the president of player association now is chris paul

  • Singapore BB Fan

    $4mil? wow that’s JLin’s 2 season’s contract value.

  • Joe what do you know

    Thanks.

  • leeda harun

    Dont worry about the lakers.they going to survive.it is afamily business.

  • leeda harun

    4 million is still cheap. Kobe earned a lot from endorsement

  • leeda harun

    Parson is very lucky guy.thanks to mc hale.

  • leeda harun

    We can make fun of him.he still got 17 million for baby sit kobe under the approval of buss family

  • leeda harun

    That is why kobe nickname is black mamba. He bites everyone…lol

  • wu kong

    yep. I know this same in all areas. Same as in workplace sexual misconduct against women. as a female engineer that worked at Chemical plants I know this all too well. That is why so much stuff still happens in the workplace and in life in general. You tuck your head and hope it goes away. knowing if you say something your career is shot.

  • CJSHYY

    Morey is his biggest helper for his career. Really hate to see him. smh!

  • wu kong

    I did find an interesting article on NBA and bullying &