G17 MIL @CHA Game Thread

After 4 consecutive games with 28+ min (28, 29, 29, 31), JLin had 2 games with 15 min due to foul trouble (4 PFs vs WAS) and TO trouble (2 quick TOs in Q4 vs CLE)

Coach Clifford made a costly mistake to go with JLamb to close out games since Hornets lost the 82-79 after benching JLin. The Cavs went on 16-8 run with Hornets shooting 3-17 with the Cavs getting open shots. Cavs guards (Delladova & JR Smith) scored 12 of these 16 pts

  1. Would Coach Clifford bench JLin quickly for early foul trouble & TOs?
  2. Would Coach experiment with Lamb to close out games?
  3. What adjustment would JLin do to get more PT & chance to close out games?
  4. FT attempts might be the best way for JLin to earn PT. In the 4 games with 28+ min, he had 13-17 FT Made-Attempts but he only had 1-1 in the WAS & CLE game

Let’s hope JLin find a way to draw a lot of FT attempts to help him to get PT and chance to close out games.

Let’s go, JLin! Relax, be your aggressive self & just play your game on matter what happens


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  • DX

    1st

  • GoJLin!

    2nd! Go JLIN GO!

  • Hope

    I haven’t seen jlin play well in the day game.

  • GoJLin!

    Player perform better when their nature skill sets fit in well with a team. Or team willing to design some plays for the player to shine; unfortunately Jlin is not Hornets franchise players (neither get nor sign a decent long contract; brought in to take whatever left on the table). It is not easy in JLIN’s situation, and he been handle very well, contribute to whatever he can do when his number is called. Pray he stay healthy and enjoy when he play! Go Jlin, GO!

  • DX

    Because Lin was in west, only few games play in day time. But right now in East, it’s different now.

  • CJSHYY

    This is old picture, right? The hair is different.

  • DX

    This will be a win game, if 1st Lin play more than 28 minutes.2rd play PG with 2nd unit. 3rd shoot more than 10. 4th close the game.

  • Rick Johnson

    User Actions FollowingBBALLBREAKDOWN‏@bballbreakdown

    Collison #Shaqtin

    https://twitter.com/bballbreakdown/status/670833794941894656

  • Briiick

    Thanks Hornets for saving Lin’s mileage for a better future team.

  • yes, it says back during Tag Heuer ads making

  • kauaiblue

    Still, the best youtube of Jeremy is from linsanity during knicks days!

  • I just checked JLin’s FT attempts vs MIL last year.
    It looks quite good with 6-6 and 5-6. He got 14p/6a and 11p/6a

    For some reason, JLin got lower FTs with CLE last season too (0-0 and 2-2) possibly due to the big men & their defense.
    I have higher hope JLin can produce more when he can get a lot of FTs tomorrow.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4299/year/2015/jeremy-lin

  • DX

    Be honest, Lin haven’t played overall great games even compared last year’s some good ones. Hope Lin can start Linsanity mode soon.

    Jeremy Lin 23 Points/8 Assists Full Highlights (3/3/2015)
    https://youtu.be/rEIWL_FfBlM

  • John Focker

    I’m done with the Hornets, hope they lose EVERY single game in which they shortchange Lin for his blue collar work on D.

    Nothing wrong with being a role player, in fact Jared Jeffries and Shane Battier are very good players who are selfless and good at what they do. That being said, playing Nash Jr. like Jeffries or Shattier is a crime.

  • John Focker

    Lin had a GREAT 1st half vs CLE, and was then iced…’nuff said.

  • DX

    Ironic.haha!

  • DX

    Yes, and the OT vs Kings. That’s why I said overall. Maybe because Lin didn’t have enough PT or didn’t play PG. Lin hasn’t have over 20 points and 5 assists in 1 game.

  • Spot

    Exactly.

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes I agree that seems like 25min playtime is the lowest threshold for Lin to have a statistically satisfying game. And I’m talking about at least 15pt and 5ast.

  • DX

    Same as me. But I still hope Hornets can get into playoff. So Lin can have more chance to showcase his talent.

  • DX

    Lin’s career stats is 11.7 pts and 4.7 asts.So right now, Lin really just play average.

  • DX

    Like a Indian fighter.

  • So MJ and Clifford often talk the day after games ..
    After the big loss vs CLE, I wonder what MJ told Clifford on what he liked and didn’t like.
    I hope MJ meant what he said about JLin being his biggest summer acquisition so we’ll see positive change in this MIL game

    Steve Clifford: Michael Jordan has perspective most owners don’t have

    “He’s great,” Clifford said. “We talk quite frequently actually, usually the day after games and things like that. He’ll tell me what he likes and doesn’t like, but the one thing where he’s great is, one, he knows because he’s very knowledgeable about our team and our league, and two, he always says, ‘You’re the coach.’Michael Jordan has been majority owner of the Charlotte Hornets since 2010. Grant Halverson/Getty Images

    “There are things that we do that I feel we’ve improved on because of input I’ve gotten from him. But he’s great. I’ve said before, coaches ask me all the time, particularly when we meet, you know, ‘What’s he like really?’ I think he may be the easiest owner to work for, and because he has a feel for what four [games] in five nights is, what five in seven nights is, I could give you five or six examples of situations where things have gone badly, where he — because he played — he’ll call and be much more reassuring than, ‘Why did we play so poorly?'”

    Clifford, who received a three-year contract extension from Jordan earlier this week, gave a specific example of Jordan offering his support last season.

    “Last year it was [our fourth game] in five nights, we played Golden State, we were up six early in the fourth [quarter], we lose,” Clifford said. “We’re down 36, I think, in Atlanta the next night. [Jordan] called the [following] morning, and he said, ‘I could have told you we’d have nothing left. We put too much into [Golden State].’

    “I’m just saying not many people, let alone owners, would have that perspective.”

    Link: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14238772/charlotte-hornets-steve-clifford-says-michael-jordan-playing-experience-makes-easiest-owner-work-for

  • They will naturally lose since noone can create shots or move the ball like JLin during crunch time.

    I hope winning will triumph over all this NBA politics & Clifford uses JLin’s strength in PnR like he should.
    But if they keep losing, let’s see if CHA media will call for JLin to get more min

  • Briiick

    “Yes” man.

  • Briiick

    Yes that is the only chance Lin can play his game and shine. But don’t expect two games of Linsanity allowed in a roll as we learned from McHale.

  • jeremy

    Native

  • CJSHYY

    That’s why I said he’s just like Mc bc what Rox O system isn’t from Mc but Alex. The only different it’s Alex is a business man not BB player before….

  • TTNN

    I have one thing was not really clear and would like to ask for help from people who knows basketball better.

    http://on.nba.com/21m4rVF

    So this is the turnover Lin had yesterday, which looks to me almost like Lamb drive in to grab the ball from Lin cause the turn over, even Cav commentator was talking about Hornets bump into each other caused the lost ball. To me, I just totally don’t understand what Lamb is trying to do there, his move looks really ridiculous to me there, there is no lane for him to cut and he basically blocked any room Lin need to move around.

    However, I looked through some game thread and see no talk about this turn over, and looks like people kind of think it is normal, just Lin lost the ball. Am I missing something?

  • CJSHYY

    I guess tomorrow they will let Lin plays longer min bc I still believe they want to keep Lin. (even I don’t think he will stay…) Let’s see what happen tomorrow.

  • JoeTeam

    It was a weird play, I agree. Thx for the link to clarify it.

  • Spot

    Team is talented and East is weak so they can reach play-off even with limited time for Jeremy.

    They could’ve done more but actually they seem happy to inflate Kemba’s numbers.

    Hopefully Jeremy will leave sooner rather than later.

  • Spot

    One thing for sure Clifford is great is in Lip Service.

  • TTNN

    I watched couple of times, it really looks like Lamb just goes in and dig the ball out of Lin’s hand, not sure what he was doing there…… Lin would not have TO if Lamb did not goes in

  • Rick Johnson

    Haralabos Voulgaris‏@haralabob

    .@MikeTrudell I just watched a player making 25m chuck shot after shot. Don’t force two nightmares on me.

    https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/670860739259719682

  • occupatio

    doesnt apply. MIL is much better this year.

  • occupatio

    heh yes.

  • It looks like Lamb wanted to cut to the rim, thinking JLin got stuck on a defender and might pass the ball to him as a trailing man.

    But the angle is all wrong since he ran straight behind Lin, not giving any space for JLin to operate or pass out the ball.

    It looked like JLamb tried to put on the brake, JR bumped him, Lamb bumped JLin.
    It looked very weird for sure. Like multiple car collision on a freeway for braking too late

  • occupatio

    lamb isnt too bright about making himself available for a pass. but in this case, maybe hes crashing the boards bc he expects lin to shoot, and then gets pushed. seems weird if he is cutting to expect a pass with his trajectory.

  • occupatio

    btw, while your point is something like ‘Cliff lies really well’, the takeaway from Cliff’s ability to speak to the media is that he is a good communicator. Compare that to Mchale and Byron — if you cant talk to the media with any competence, then you also can’t communicate with your players. if you cant communicate with players, then you have no business coaching.

    in other words, I consider it a basic prerequisite that a coach should be able to handle media well when he chooses to.

  • TTNN

    well, looks like Lin was about to pass it out to Zeller who was cutting in the right angle and without Lamb, there is very straight forward hand over or shot pass there And it was already kind of crowded inside with Zeller, Kaminsky inside, Lamb don’t really need to crash the board, and there is no lane for him to crash the board there.

  • occupatio

    not much to say here except: stupidity is harder to comprehend than genius.

  • jeremy

    He wanted to make sure Lin doesnt score there so he remains the top scorer off the bench lol jk but he never passes back to Lin hes looking to shoot everytime he gets the ball excpet when hes playing with the starters then hes a nobody

  • jeremy

    McHale was honest

  • Spot

    McHale played Jeremy in the right way in the first games (especially the one vs Atlanta). Then something happened with Morey saying Lull is perfect Harden’s backcourt partner.

    McHale played hard to Jeremy to make him a better player. But, to me, it wasn’t McHale who created that situation.

    Anyway, it is what it is, it’s the past and let’s face the present.

  • jeremy

    Trudell is a good man
    but its sickening to watch all them lakers reporters sucking up to kobe to this day

  • Phillycheese

    Milwaukee has some good shot blockers. lin better get his jumper going early.

  • John Focker

    All-Stars being hosted in Charlotte this year has driven Hornets to pump their starters’ numbers in the hope of getting them voted in. But even then they should’ve let Lin play more, if just to create spacing for the starters. What Hornets are doing now is not only stupid, but actually counter-productive to their goal.

  • John Focker

    Maybe a lowly 8th seed.

  • Yascar

    Didn’t really pay much attention but now that you mention it, yes it looks really weird.

    I hope they break the film down and he gets called out for it.

  • grover chang

    What I don’t understand about nba politics is the end game. Isn’t the end game about looking good. What makes owners look good, GMs look smart, and coaches look brilliant?

    Winning! Winning solves everything. So why not win? What makes losing without Lin so much more beneficial then winning with Lin? The lack of vision just smacks me as illogical and stupid.

  • grover chang

    Hornet situation is disappointing for us and especially for Lin. I pray the supernatural peace he says God has given him exhibited every game. If so he has won.

    If he could be joyful regardless of the circumstances because of his faith then he is the victor and I would add Linspirational to our list of game predictions for Lin.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Do you need league pass to watch it? I couldn’t watch it.

  • 1mtoldman

    you could have just stopped after “lamb isn’t too bright”.

  • 1mtoldman

    Better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than a fool bent on folly.

  • 1mtoldman

    lamb is laughably akward and random on the court; thats why cliff is constantly yelling at him but if you observe lamb and his general demeanor one could not expect much else.

    he has the appearance of what once would have been called a “space cadet”.

    his play is gangly and out of control, he just happens to be able to get shots to go in the basket. but without lin on the court to get him the ball in situations when that is more likely i wouldn’t except his recent only capacity in that direction to continue.

    he is shooting (this year) 100% points above his career ave from the field; i would expect that aspect of lambs game (if not lamb himself) to fall back to some sort of more realistic mean soon.

  • 1mtoldman

    to be fair thus far (except for the example of the final quarter of last game which no one but lin fans acknowledge) this season the hornets have been able to win (or lose) pretty much irrespective of lins contribution.

    most of that has been possibly due to ease of scheudle. once they hit a tough patch in dec/jan i could see them losing 6 or 9 even starit. well see then if changes are made.

  • 1mtoldman

    i think yes there is a big push to get kemba in the all star game. he has reversed a carreer long downward trend and is having the best year ever; to what can that be attributed might be the question.

  • 1mtoldman

    imo the key factor (AT THIS TIME) is the fact that for the first time in his career he is not playing point guard the majority of the time.

  • Spot

    He is. But as basketball fan it’s not fair.

    Anyway as long as he’s in Christ he’s a winner, not only on court.

    But I do still believe Jeremy will shock NBA once again. Maybe I’m just a dreamer but I’m sure of it

  • KL

    My grouse against Clifford is quite specific. Kemba and Lamb have been playing much better (compared to past seasons), especially when Lin is on the floor with them.

    There are 3 main explanations for their improvement.

    1. Kemba and Lin magically became better players this season.
    2. Clifford’s coaching has suddenly made them better.
    3. Lin has been spacing the floor, drawing the defence, playmaking and also doing the dirty work on defence.

    It is quite clear that Clifford is believing in Option 1 and 2 above. That is why Kemba is getting monster minutes and Lamb has supplanted Lin. You can call it not giving Lin the benefit of the doubt, lack of trust or just prejudice. Unfortunately Lin has been going through this his entire career.

    Omer Asik magically started averaging double figures on offence. Parsons improved overnight. Rockets returned to the playoffs led by a former bench player in James Harden.

    Still, Clifford is not worse than McHale but that is for another post.

  • TTNN

    no, it is from NBA.com, anyone could see it.

  • 1mtoldman

    McGee does not look back fondly on his Washington years. “It was a real negative situation for me,” he said. “I’ve always been blessed to be able to go somewhere else positive. You definitely learn it’s a business. Even if it’s people ahead of you that’s playing that’s not better, they make more money than you, they’re going to play. It’s not anything personal.”

    –javale mcgee in boston globe

  • KL

    Ok here is my take on why McHale is still much worse than Clifford. McHale has a starting point guard that the team signed with much fanfare. Lin had the biggest contract at point guard for the Rockets.

    In other words, Lin was the Kemba Walker for the Rockets. When Lin got benched initially, the media would actually question McHale. Yet McHale put Lin down, dismiss his skills as a ceiling aberration and forced him to play off the ball. Even though Lin adapted, McHale then pushed him to the bench, replaced by a player so bad in Beverly that it tarnished Lin’s reputation.

    Scott and his tanking Lakers was even worse, reducing Lin to a bench player in one of the worst teams in the NBA.

    However I do not sense any animosity by Clifford towards Lin. It is just that the past 3 years has reduced Lin to a very low level. I think there is some lack of trust but there is some hope that it will change for the better. We have to just wait and see.

  • sws94

    Kinda sad, the state of this board now. Go to RealGM and they are much more confident about Lin playing and playing well there as the season progresses. But the issue remains of Lin’s production. One of the members there said he’s not producing like thought of. I really find few on Charlotte’s boards compared to Lakers and Rockets who don’t want to see Lin play more BUT Lin could play much better as well. They’re waiting for it and confident it can happen, but we aren’t?

    Lin has to earn his playing time. How he played in previous seasons doesn’t matter. On the Hornets and on any other team he’s going to go to he has to earn it. And Charlotte now is deep, so there are other guys that produce. I didn’t agree with Clifford at all in the Cleveland game the they lost. That’s all that matters. Put Lin in and things might get better. Clifford is not a stupid man or stupid coach. He’ll analyze what happened. Do we have to keep on and on about how bad Charlotte is for Lin and such? The same Charlotte Lin carefully chose because it had Silas and he liked Clifford? I guess so. But here it is a new game and new possibilities and 16 games and the board is very negative and very “sky is falling Chicken Little” because Lin’s playing time dropped the last 2 games.

  • sws94

    Lin, continue to practice that step-back shot. And maybe stop going all the way to the rim as much as you said you would do in the off-season. That stop and pull up banked short jump shot worked great yesterday and then Lin tried going all the way to the rim and lost it. And slow down when it comes to Zeller, he doesn’t go your speed. But that jump shot is key to expanding Lin’s offense. It will be a tough shot for any defender to stop and Lin can vary the step back to any time to keep them honest. He just has to convert more of them.

  • wu kong

    as far as JLin earning playing time some stats that confirm he has earned #30Minutes
    Cumulative through 16 games the ON OFF offensive/defensive and Net Ratings…

    Jlin has the second best Defensive rating behind Kaminsky at 96.5 when JLin is on the floor. the Def Rtg drops to 103.4 when JLin is off the floor ( meaning the team is holds opponents to 96.5points per 100 possessions when JLin is ON the Floor and gives up 103.4 points per 100 possessions when he is OFF the floor) Defense baby!

    The team does slightly better on Offense when JLin is off the floor (103.9 while on compared to 105.1 when off)

    however the NetRtg shows the team is 7.4 points per 100 possessions ahead when Jlin is on the floor and only 1.7 points ahead when he is off the floor. for comparison look at Kemba Walker’s net ratings 2.7 points ahead when on the floor yet 8.5 points ahead when he is OFF the floor. meaning team is better when he sits!

    Cody Zeller is a mess and should not be on the floor! just sayin’

  • wu kong

    he has earned playing time. see post above…

  • wu kong

    last game…. on off ratings hmm wonder who should have been on the floor at the end??

  • NONONO

    I think it is #3. ” doing the dirty work on defense” might impact his FG%. That is why his OffRtg is average, DefRtg is great and NetRtg is much better than others. (see wu kong’s stats image above)

  • sws94

    He has to do it to the criteria of the coaches and we have to look at negatives. I really think it was the type of turnovers Lin made that annoyed Clifford, not the fact that he makes turnovers. But that’s only a theory, I don’t know. I ask the board to look at some of the negative stats for Lin and negative tendencies. Charlotte is trying to win games. They have players they prioritize and Lin isn’t in the top priority, although he’s a priority. See their decisions from their point of view, not everything from Lin’s point of view because that’s not what is in play.

    I think we just end up going nowhere when we talk of playing time so much. The only power Lin has to do what the coaches want and I think they are reasonable. I don’t think this is Byron Scott or McHale, I think if he produces what they want, not what we want but what they want, he plays. If one of the things is not have turnovers on drives, then he has to make some adjustments and maybe Clifford isn’t happy with Lin not making the adjustments they’ve discussed. There’s really a lot we don’t know in terms of what was reviewed on tape and what any player does.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Rewatching some Hornets vs Cavaliers highlights… damn that ankle breaker vs Lebron. If that 3 went in, it’ll be crazy!

  • sws94

    I don’t know if stats are enough. Weller is probably the most effective big man when you watch the games. Al is for awhile but defensively and offensively, Zeller is the best big man.

  • sws94

    Practice that, Lin. That’s a beauty and will be a big weapon for him going forward.

  • wu kong

    if they want to win they will put their best players on the floor for long minutes… Jlin’s net Rtg indicated he should be on the floor longer. 5 man lineups indicate that as well. The game is played on both ends… yep his shot is not great right now but his defense is more than making up for it. and his shot would most likely be better if he was given more like 30 minutes a game. stats indicate he has historically been better at the 30 min mark.

  • TTNN

    I think in the first three games, Zeller somehow got really bad +/- in all three games, and then he was playing together with AI a lot of times, and that was pretty bad. Zeller got much better when he was put in as center, instead of PF.

  • wu kong

    Zeller’s stats are horrible. cumulative and game by game he stinks it up. I tried looking at his stats and throwing out the games where he had dehydration issues even then it was bad.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Good to see you again. Haha!

  • wu kong

    just zeller game by game…

  • sws94

    His decision making needs improvement on the offensive end. Clifford is still working with a combo of players that he is picking from. Often it is Lin, but it won’t be always until Lin really stands out in every facet. And Clifford has put him in for defense, plenty of times. in fact, it may be his D that has had him close out more games than not.

  • sws94

    Watching all of the games, they don’t win some without Zeller. These stats can be misleading. It depends on who plays with whom, some of the stats can make PJ look like a star. Zeller is a good player for the Hornets. I agree with you, he’s better at center and without Al.

  • Yascar

    Agree. That and the fouls. Coupled by the fact that he’s been shooting badly that may be the reasons why he has not seen more minutes. I have more hope that the coaches will be communicating with Lin in this team though than on his previous ones so I’m optimistic that he knows what he needs to do.

  • wu kong

    I have put up stats take ’em or leave ’em

  • sws94

    Also about stats, do you remember how Clutch used to use them against Lin? I can’t go by stats alone. They only tell part of the story. I remember how you used stats to counter Clutch and one other really good poster, then Clutch got arrogant and dismissive that Lin fans used only stats they liked for him. That’s the thing, there are probably negative stats for Lin too that can make a case for not using him on the court.

  • Acbc

    Honesty about bias is still bias

  • wu kong

    hmmm. bringing up clutch interesting…

  • TTNN

    Honestly, I don’t think it is the matter that coach don’t want to play Lin, it is more of coach want to play Kemba or Batum or Lamb. Lin was the after thought.

    You could see coach was testing things out. Like play Batum the full 1Q, then play Kemba the full 1Q, then play Kemba the full 2Q, or play Batum the full 2Q. Get Batum completely taken over when he was playing with 2nd line up, then let Kemba to completely take over.

    All these, has nothing to do with Lin play good or not. To me, looks like coach like the way the second team was playing, and trying to test who would benefit the most in that second line up. Looks like it was Kemba. Since that second line up got the good reputation, and defense start to focus on Lin and Lamb, thus leave Kemba enough space so he could cash in. It worked for the past two games.

  • Yascar

    Interesting take. I think you might be right.

    But do you think they’ll keep winning like this? Because I have my doubts.

    Cliff may be hated and all on here already but I actually think he’s the smartest coach Jeremy has had in years, although that’s not been to Lin’s favour necessarily. In the context of the team, it doesn’t really have to be, although for a Lin fan, it’s a difficult pill to swallow.

    Kemba and Batum are performing well but is that sustainable? I still think fundamentally Jeremy is a better player and will be needed more in the long run.

  • TTNN

    oh, sure, that’s always the case. That’s why I really don’t like some Lin fans try to push an agenda holding one number, and not completely understand what does it means, that could pull out a lot of other stuff you don’t really want to see.

    Especially when the number don’t agree with eye test, and especially when the number are coming from small sample size.

    Stats are double sided sward, one really need to know how to use it and when to use it.

    Wu Kong, this is not target to you, but I had an discussion with somebody else couple of days ago when I was picked at putting anti-Lin numbers out.

  • Brent Yen

    Hairsanity is about to come!

  • sws94

    Yes, not a target to wu kong. I don’t intend it that way either. It’s just how I’ve seen them use. They need a story and context and yet most can be countered.

  • TTNN

    Zeller is so far the best in the team sort of protect the rim, when he was playing with AI, he was play as PF, so he got dragged outside, and left AI alone under the basket, that’s the time the defense goes bad. and offensively, Zeller could not space the floor, and his presence clogg the lane, which is no good. He plays better when pair up with Hawes, and even better with Kaminsky

  • sws94

    There’s nothing interesting about Clutch. He’s the only person who has ever blocked me on twitter because I came down hard on what type of biased unprofessional condescending so-called administrator he was on his site

  • Brent Yen

    Thinking it as players lined up eating a cake(mins), Lin is just not in front of the line…so…when it is Lin’s turn…..the size of the remaining cake can be very small..but occasionally large.

  • sws94

    Definitely Kemba and Batum. Kemba is what he knows and trusts and Batum is producing well. I’m not as sure about Lamb. Lamb gets chances but Lin has replaced him a lot if we look at the game totally. Lamb needs to be developed, Lin not so much, so we have to remember that.

    But when coach wants to win, Lin has been the guy that needs to be in there. He’s in there most of the time, not all of the time. And when he isn’t, they usually do’t do as well. I also think Kemba may say to coach, Lin gives me more space because he takes pressure off me. He’s sure said that publicly.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I think he will get more playing time today.

  • cdblue10

    The best players on this team is Williams,Batum and Lin w/o one of these players their team would be a bottom feeder.

  • Acbc

    Lol, too late Brent. Everyone has jumped off the wagon into the abyss. There’s a few of us trolls that are still hanging on.

  • Brent Yen

    LOL…..ok…..#youpplofnofaith….

  • LinJa

    I’ve decided to give cliff a pass until allstar

  • sws94

    Is it sustainable for Kemba? I doubt it. I can see Kemba going into old Kemba at times and it is Batum that saves him from himself. I also think Kemba is logging too many minutes and will becoming physically fatigued.

    Ba tum may be more steady because he seems to not rely on shots falling but making good decisions and he has a good chemistry with most players. But not perfect, he has his share of TOs as well. Probably the most in the team. Some of them will come in crunch time so he may turn out to be the reason the team loses some games because of them. But overall, I think he will sustain his level of play.

    I think Jeremy is a high risk, high reward player who has a bigger upside. But he has more rough spots in his game than Kemba or Batum, I hope Clifford follows his original plan of using the 3 together a lot. That will help them win the most games. No other 3 will work as well.

  • TTNN

    you know Rockets Morey had the tightest control of media, thus I’m not surprised if there is hidden agenda there behind the scene. Morey is good at using multimedia to guide the fan reaction, and to brain wash.

    Just think back, Harden was horrible in defense start from very early days of his Rocket career, but that was not get public notice till mid of second year, yet the whole focus was how bad Lin’s defense was, and again, how the team kind of hype up how good Beverley’s defense is, you could now see a hand behind all these, and Cluth could well be the person help to execute all these.

  • sws94

    Yup. His bias was so clear but he was also quite obnoxious about how he treated anyone that had something positive to say about Lin while backing the most extreme anti-Lin people. But he’s history thankfully.

  • wu kong

    one more ON oFF rating showing PIE, TS and EFG%

  • sws94

    Your thoughts on McHale are head scratching. Yes, he played Lin right for that one Atlanta game, something like 42 minutes, and a Boston game, and then he was right back to using Lin off ball and playing him unpredictable minutes.

    I don’t know why we have to revisit McHale and I in no way support how he treated Lin. He was horrible to him. So what he occasionally featured Lin, he mostly marginalized Lin and dismissed Lin as a player mostly calling him a nice kid.

  • NONONO

    Here is the best and the worst 4MAN lineups Hornets vs Cavs game (Stats from NBA.COM).
    I tried to find the stats for 3rd quarter for Cliff’s “excuse” to pull Lin out. I just found out that Lin never played in the same 4MAN lineups for more than 1 min in the 3rd quarter. How do you expect he perform consistently?

  • LinJa

    This could also mean that Lin and bench is better than most opponent team bench.

  • wu kong

    so PIE of 55 when Lin on court is generally a winning team 49.4 falls below the the winning value of 50% meaning they lose… no lin no win proving to be true…

    for comparison:
    Kemba barely winning % 50.4 when on the floor but if he is off ht team jumps to 55.8 a winning value…
    Cody Zeller 48.6 when on the floor losing % 53.8 when of the floor means comfortable winning percentage.

  • wu kong

    yes if Lin only played against other bench players… but he plays with and against almost all the players…

  • TTNN

    exactly as you said, Lamb needs development, thus even coach don’t trust him as much, he still got chances to be there and test out. Especially this is early in the season, perfect time to do that. Coach need to know Lamb’s limit too, by put him in that kind of situation and test out.

    Same with Lin, coach don’t know Lin’s limit as well, thus Lin got to be put in close game situation too. I’d say Lin also need development, and I do see coach was helping his game, pretty obvious in the defensive side. I do think he got help from his TO too.

    This year Lin got to learn a lot, even if he don’t get to show his full potential, he will gain a lot of knowledge way more than his previous years, so I don’t think he will waste his one year here, but he might not get what he was hoping for either.

  • NONONO

    If we look Lin’s individual stats, we would find he is usually in top 5 of the team. But If you look team’s lineups stats, you would find he almost always in the #1 lineups. The reason is simple. Lin can make lineups (team) perform better than individuals by more than just scores. He can create shots for teammates, he can blocks, steals, rebounds. It is hard to find those contributions from his individual stats, but it is not hard to find he is always make his lineup the best.

  • Rick Johnson

    Must say, the tanking Lakers are much more interesting and entertaining than the tanking 76ers. Probably their intent. Kind of like a “Housewives” reality show”

    https://twitter.com/Sportige/status/670993116904742912

    “Scott keeps making the world an interesting place. By not trying to help the Lakers develop as a young team sans-Bryant, and by making some of the most idiotic comments in the NBA universe right now. They suggest he really has no clue what’s going on with this team and how to make things better, or he’s simply enjoying his final year as a head coach in the league (he can’t actually land another job after this, can he?) by trolling the media, Lakers players not called Bryant and the entire fanbase, going through a nightmare they never thought possible to last for this long.”

  • Briiick

    The last lineup could be Cliff’s dream lineup, LOL.

  • Rick Johnson

    Just realized, Steph wears his father’s number. Good for him:

    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671014732770447360

  • jeremy

    How about telling Lin he would play his game and ending up standing him in the corner
    or saying hes a lock to finish the game but giving him <20mins instead?

  • jeremy

    Yah I dont mind McHale he trusted Lin when team was in trouble he knew to turn to Lin a lot of the time
    After BS and Clifford, McHale doesnt look so bad anmore

  • spiderman

    In some of your posts, you seem to hold Lin to a different standard of performance. Comments like “Lin has to earn his playing time” or ~his decision making needs improvement.

    Of course EVERYONE including heavy minute players like Kemba and Batum have room for improvement. Yet they don’t seem to need to EARN playing time.

  • Rick Johnson

    Guess we won’t get to see much if any of Hansbrough. SMH

    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/671017086446116864

  • sws94

    Batum is playing superbly. Kemba is having a strong season. On some of the Hornets forums I point out issues with both players, especially when they say Batum is perfect.

  • sws94

    I think Kemba plays too much. Lin could play more of course, I don’t like him coming in so late into the game and I think once he’s in, if he’s going to come in that late, he should stay in. If he needs a minute or two breather, fine, but he should play the remainder of the half. He did that in the first half but then he was pulled. I don’t agree with Clifford pulling him and I think he would have made a difference closing yesterday. Lamb was a poor choice to close. Lin, Batum, Kemba, Zeller and Williams would have made the best closing squad. Zeller due to defense.

  • spiderman

    He’s also had awful shooting games and so has Kemba, but neither have been required to earn playing time

  • NONONO

    not really.

  • wu kong

    so what is it you think Lin has to do to ‘earn’ play time?

  • NONONO

    Some people thought TOs was the reason for Cliff to pull Lin out in Cavs game. I don’t think so. Cliff knows Lin’s style is high risk high reward which would create a lot of scoring opportunities for him and his teammates. He has proved it on the past whenever he handled the ball in many seasons. That was why Cliff signed him as he said it publicly. In Cavs game, his defense was great (Cavs Gs scores 22 out of 24 when Lin was out) too . I believe Cliff knew it. But for whatever reason, they cannot let Lin shine over Kemba or Lamb for this specific game or since Cliff got his contract extension.

  • TTNN
  • sws94

    Run the offense well at PG and play more like Batum when he’s in with Kemba (look to facilitate and shoot when the shot is there). On the D side, mostly what he’s doing and just remained focused. I don’t think Cliff likes him forcing the action on the offense and driving recklessly to the basket and losing the ball resulting with a fast break for the opposing team.

  • Acbc

    Hey Brent, has there been an videos of Doc actually teaching Lin to shoot? His stoke is definately off now. I mean massively off. The rhythm and timing is so off I’m actually worried.

    So here’s the deal. When I taught the service motion in tennis, I was quite the maverick in that I taught the function first and allowed the form to shape according to the musculature of the student. I taught from the throw of the racket up to the ball first and made them throw as fast as possible. In tennis speed equals power. I’d say most if not all pros teach the form as an integral part of the throw, thus a lot of pros have similar looks with deep knee bends. I don’t believe that it’s absolutely necessary to have that perfect form to serve well, if the student can’t time the sequence properly to use his body to add to the power of the throw. For example Stan Warinka won the Austrailian open beating Djoker and Rafa on the way to the title has little if any knee bend. Warinka has a very big serve that helped him beat a lot of people.

    I’m wondering if Lin needs to just be placed at the foul line and have him forget the form and just quick release shots. Have 2 guys keep forcing him get the shot off and not worry about how many goes in. This may in fact achieve his quick release goal while forcing his body to become more efficient.

  • TTNN

    what I’m worried is that he might have changed his shooting coach which results in changing of his form. Was hoping Doc could be with him during this week but does not look like it is the case.

  • wu kong

    so seriously all the stats above do not prove he is worth more play time? gotta have time to run the offense as PG…

  • sws94

    From a Charlotte perspective with their depth, he could play more. But in close games, you have to weigh the risks. A lot of times Clifford will just bring back Kemba and leave Lin in, but sometimes he’ll go for shooting and that’s Lamb since Daniels doesn’t play much.

  • Acbc

    CHO is supposed to be the stat guy. How can someone miss these glaring stats to play the worst lineup at crunch time.

    I don’t agree that it’s all Clifford because I just don’t believe he wants to ruin his reputation by losing.

  • Promo Sports World

    They thought lamb could get buckets simple as that

  • Promo Sports World

    12 4 4 in 18-21 mins……own the back-up position….you never know what can happen. H*** jkidd is starting OJ Mayo and Bayless today for Petes Sakes …. Bayless lol

  • Promo Sports World

    Lamb is the investment but Jeremy need to keep at it and act like this situation is about getting GMs and Teams to forget about the lakers fiasco

  • Promo Sports World

    And this says jkidd is in control of the Bucks….Clifford doesn’t wield that power with MJ in the background

  • Spot

    He and his brother.

  • Acbc

    Lol, he’s preparing properly to have starters face Lin instead. Smart coach.

  • Spot

    Cho made up a great team but as long as Clifford wins games no one will say anything.

    This is a top 4 eastern conference team but in Charlotte they are happy to be top 8

  • Michael

    Thanks Brent, this is analogy I can totally understand, and not just because you are talking about cake.

  • Spot

    Brent the philosopher 🙂

  • Rick Johnson
  • Spot

    Did you hope for something different?

  • heart

    Actually when Hornets win without will make it harder on Lin and be further marginalized. It’s a roller coaster w/Cliff slow-to-change attitude/habits of a coach. There’s a guy on twitter attested to this fact, who had been watching and examined Hornets and Cliff’s coaching over the years.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Briiick

    Lin will be gone next season. Cliff needs to prove to his boss that his chosen lineup works…well, just average.

  • Spot

    Only thing that could make Jeremy start is Kemba get a season ending injury.

    And I don’t want anybody to get hurt.

  • jeremy

    Boring

  • DX

    Do you know Zeller or Kaminsky play or not?

  • DX

    BC they lost to Lin last year.

  • wu kong

    ast%, ast ratio and ast/TO are very similar for Batum and Lin try again…

  • jeremy

    Kidd has the balls to bench MCW and start Jerryd over him because MCw has been a disaster and Jerryd has been phenomenal
    Lin can be in the same category as Bayless but he will never be treated as fairly as him in charlotte because Clifford isnt the coad that Kidd is, hes just another clown

  • PETE B

    Only Clifford knows , Zeller is Zeller , Kandinsky is a developing rookie

  • PETE B

    Jeremy’s a Chinese guy among prototype nba players, they don’t see him the same way bc of ethnicity

  • Rick Johnson

    Looks like Lakers gunning to retain that top 3 pick. From this would finish second to last only behind PHI:

    https://twitter.com/bbstats/status/670703219581050880

  • sws94

    I’m not arguing against playing Lin. I’m weighing what Clifford is the coaching staff is looking at. I’d play Lin 32 minutes most games and close every game regardless of his TOs or stats. But I’m not Clifford.

  • PETE B

    Only Dantoni who oversaw Nash 2 MVPs can see. Non prototype NBA players success

  • jolno

    I just find it hilarious that the Rockets have a projected wins change of -12.1!!!

    They are the only team with a change in double digits and too bad it’s in the WRONG DIRECTION LOL.

  • PETE B

    Byron Scott the lottery king

  • 1mtoldman

    a previous post listed them both as “probable”.

  • PETE B

    Lamb was given too step up and be a reliable SG . PJ was not. lamb is not getting it done yet

  • Acbc

    There’s a big difference between Mchale and Clifford. Mchale lied many times to Lin and the media. How’s about that OKC game when Linscored 29pts and Mchale told the press that famous “Jeremy, we’re trying to win here. Scoring 29 while turning over 9 times is just no good”. That was an outright lie. How about lying to Jeremy that he was experimenting about starting lineup and that Beverly and Lin would be rotating starting in the beginning of the season. That was an outright lie as well.

    Mchale systematically found ways to put down Lin at every opportunity, no matter how well Lin did. Mchale changed the perception of Lin and ruined his reputation. How you can think Mchale was honest is beyond my rational thinking.

    Clifford at least has not deliberately lie to the media about Lin’s contribution. He’s always said positive things about him. Since arriving in Charlotte, Lin’s reputation has been trending upwards.

  • jolno
  • jeremy

    so was yao he was one of the best bigs for a while
    well respected

  • Alain Gervais

    Honestly don’t know why I’m watching

  • Spot

    You never know what can happen. Anyway I’m off to watching Juventus. See you later 😉

  • Alain Gervais

    Law of averages say it don’t matter.

  • sws94

    Take the chance. You never know when Lin will break out and have that overdue big shooting night.

  • LinMad

    Woke up early today. Lin better get his opportunity!

  • Alain Gervais

    I don’t even care to say the obvious

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin with that huge back compress.

  • Acbc

    And he got fired because of it. It will take a very very brave coach to promote Lin.

  • NONONO

    This was how Lin gave Hornets hard time last year in two games (He led the tanking Lakers beat Hornets in Charlotte, then lose by only one point when Kobe played too at LA.).

  • Rick Johnson

    Batum with two Turnovers already. Does he get pulled?

  • Maknusia

    lol…must be CLF

  • LinMad

    nope he gets 30+ minutes a game no matter what

  • LinMad

    the defense sucks

  • TTNN

    3 already

  • TTNN

    and sub in Lamb, and yeah.

  • NONONO

    that was ONLY reason Cliff would pull Lin out.

  • LinMad

    he had 7 in one game this season and never got pulled

  • linfan

    Yes, but the offense is no better

  • PETE B

    yep only boneheaded NBA culture would not see what 2 MVPs coach understands

  • your son’s voltaire

    hornets are worst than the bucks without Lin. honestly

  • Bearness

    I have faith in Lin, but I am beginning to lose faith in NBA. I wanted to see him stay with a team and be their starting point guard for at least 4~5 years. But, I don’t think any team will ever make him a starter unless they have no choice due to injury. It is really a shame because NBA fans, not just Lin fans, will probably end up missing out on what Lin is truly capable of when playing as a starting point guard for many seasons in a stable environment.

  • Alain Gervais

    Wait till Lin leaves next year

  • LinMad

    they would be the bobcats without Lin

  • Maknusia

    Zeller is in

  • LinMad

    horrible defense

  • heart

    One of Bucks commentators said ‘Spike Lee now it’s ‘Spike Lin’. Like that!

  • LinMad

    4 turnovers now for Batum

  • Dorothy

    I am totally enjoying the game so far LOL

  • sws94

    Starters look terrible. Hope Lin doesn’t try to do too much when he comes in at the 2 minutes or less mark.

  • heart

    And still in the game!

  • Rick Johnson

    Now 4 turnovers. Get pulled yet? SMH

  • your son’s voltaire

    hornets without Lin are just last year’s hornets

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! 1st unit is bad now… smh!

  • Rick Johnson

    Exactly

  • LinMad

    the favoritism is real

  • sws94

    Lamb needs Lin. It’s so obvious here.

  • Alain Gervais

    Is it odd that idc that we are losing

  • jeremy

    Still no Lin

  • 1mtoldman

    lin-less hornets taking up right where they left off last 8 minutes of previous game.

  • heart

    YEP!

  • CJSHYY

    Of course, he is the one who take the tech FT… he will stay no matter what…smh!

  • Maknusia

    yup…Batum couldnt get it moving as well…and 4 TOVs

  • LinMad

    me too. I can’t stand that Lin gets less than 20 minutes.

  • your son’s voltaire

    he’s not gonna put Lin in there to prove himself wrong

  • jeremy

    sounds familiar

  • LinMad

    maybe he read the complaints from Lin fans and got mad

  • CJSHYY

    Bucks bench sucks. MCW is bad…

  • jeremy

    whos we? I only support Lin
    not a fan of the team lol

  • sws94

    Kemba is heating up. Batum has been meh and TO prone. 1 nice defensive play, the block, but he’s not having a good game so far.

  • heart

    So what, don’t worry about that. That’s thin skin if he does…

  • sport

    No Lin and Hornets are losing 23 to 17, keep losing!!

  • CJSHYY

    Always around 2min…

  • jeremy

    yep thats the spirit

  • 1mtoldman

    continuing on from last 8 minutes of cleve game lin-less

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba do well w Bucks bench…

  • Maknusia

    He is the only one who is keeping the game alive

  • Rick Johnson

    Yeah Lin in

  • CJSHYY

    Damn, Lin is w Kemba.. smh!

  • this season is disappointing. But you know what? Life is disappointing.

  • DX

    Kemba will keep playing 40 Mins.

  • Maknusia

    Cant take Kemba out…he is the only player who is hot now

  • sport

    Batum and Kemba with 6 and 7 points but Hornets still losing and FO and Cliff treat them as their star players while the real one who should be treated as the franchise player is stuck on the bench until last minute.

  • LinMad

    sometimes I wonder if Lin should even try given such limited opportunities

  • CJSHYY

    Too bad, so far Lin has not touch the ball yet… as usual. smh!

  • Rick Johnson

    Usually sits at second quarter. Unless Cliff plans on playing him >40 min.

  • CJSHYY

    1st Q near end but Lin has not touch the ball yet… smh!

  • FSW

    Good

  • jeremy

    Lin just shoot the ball lol hope for the best

  • Alain Gervais

    The kiminsky post up was stupid

  • kauaiblue

    No. He should just coast man… screw this team…

  • 1mtoldman

    @ 36 sec mark first and only touch dribbled around led to lamb basket.

  • sws94

    Lin sets up Lamb beautifully. Lin/Lamb is best combo when Lamb is on the court. Lin left Bayless open, not a good idea but he may have been told to help there.

  • kauaiblue

    Even with jeremy in, im rooting for bucks…

  • LinMad

    Hornet fans say it’s okay that PJ gets to start cause he gets low minutes each game but have they even seen Lin’s minutes the last 2 games? It’s less or close to PJ’s minutes and Lin is not starting.

  • blubell
  • DX

    1 ast. for Lin. No bad.

  • CJSHYY

    He plays so so today no need to come back… LOL!

  • Maknusia

    Lin gets the Ast for the last Lamb’s shot

  • sws94

    Kemba is hot, not time to take him out now. Plus, this is more a chance for Kemba and Lin to build chemistry. Lin will get his chances.

  • heart

    Put on your seat belt. It’s going to be a roller coaster ride w/Cliff’s slow-to-change/adjust in-game, rigid, pre-scripted coaching style. There’s a guy on twitter attested to this fact, who had been watching and examining Hornets and Cliff’s coaching style over the years.

  • LinMad

    Well if we start losing, all I can say is that Cliff ruined the team chemistry by not playing Lin enough.

  • blubell

    Assist #2

  • CJSHYY

    Bucks starters are back….

  • LinMad

    2nd unit > 1st unit

  • 1mtoldman

    dae notice the difference in BALL MOVEMENT.

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin in Hornets catch up. But nobody but Lin fans notices.

  • NONONO

    Hornets assists number doubled after Lin on the court,

  • blubell

    almost assist. good pass.

  • LinMad

    Lin pushing the pace

  • jeremy

    damn just look for your own

  • heart

    Bucks commentators: Lin and Lamb have been teaming up…

  • JJ Hui

    This line up is much more fun to watch , even my grandma said so!

  • Dorothy

    3333333333333333333333333

  • blubell

    33333333333333

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin should have gotten assist if Lamb didn’t get fouled.

  • blubell

    Grandma is always right 🙂

  • LinMad

    Lin playing so calmly and confident

  • blubell

    Great D

  • Maknusia

    3 balll…baby!!!

  • blubell

    Jeremy is on fire!

  • Alain Gervais

    Assist

  • LinMad

    Lin showing his playmaking skills

  • LinMad

    so with Al out, who will be replace him?

  • Rick Johnson

    Hope the bench gets at least a 10 point lead before Cliff puts in the starters to lose it.

  • blubell

    3p/3a/1r in 5 minutes.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Bc Lin they come back …. Great!

  • sws94

    Hope Aliain is watching. This could turn out well for Lin. This unit looks good.

  • Alain Gervais

    No matter how this season goes. Lin is showing he is getting better offensively and defensively

  • CJSHYY

    Looks good. Haha!

  • 1mtoldman

    michael is asleep i think.

  • LinMad

    I hope Cliff doesn’t pull Lin early

  • blubell
  • linfan

    Espn shows Lin with 3 assists, but I think he has at least 4

  • blubell
  • JJ Hui

    Definitely! She watched a lot of bball even before i was born! Lol!

  • DX

    5min, 3 pts. 1-1, 3 asts. WoW

  • Alain Gervais

    I have no doubt in Lin. Jus wished his coach few the same way

  • CJSHYY

    PR but I RT.

  • blubell
  • LinMad

    ya i thought it was 4 too

  • heart

    And gives Hornets lead since Lin’s been in.

  • occupatio

    lamb got fouled on transition bucket

  • CJSHYY

    Ido just never gives up…LOL!

  • DX

    Always someone ask why you believe Lin. That’s why?

  • Super Jeremy Bros in action!

  • adele

    Talk about shooting slump.

  • linfan

    I can’t believe Lamb passed to Lin

  • LinMad

    I can’t believe Cliff drew a play for Lin but Hawes made a bad pass

  • JJ Hui

    Why Lin laughing on the FT line?

  • blubell

    Go Jeremy!

  • LinMad

    Lin making things happen when the clock runs down

  • Rick Johnson

    This is how you lead a team!

  • heart

    Cliff better NOT be taking Lin out while he’s hot! 7minutes=7points!

  • Maknusia

    Wonder why Lin was smiling when he shot the earlier Fts?

  • JJ Hui

    The elite bench! I hope the old school coach dont change anything now since it is flowing!

  • NONONO

    Lin smiles because he is playing his style.

  • blubell

    I tickled him 😛

  • Rick Johnson

    Hawes can’t handle Monroe. Lin and Lamb come in to help shut him down. Monroe scores when one on one with Hawes.

  • TTNN

    I thought somebody was shouting some funny things to him

  • sport

    Checked stats Lin got 7 points 3asts and Hornets got the lead! Go JLin get your stats!

  • LinMad

    doubt it, he’s bringing in Batum already, the one with 4 TOs

  • Rick Johnson

    You just know he will.

  • blubell
  • TTNN

    +12, that’s good

  • DX

    Double standards always.

  • sport

    Don’t even need to watch the game to know Lin’s playing his style, got 7 points in 8 minutes needs to keep scoring!!

  • blubell
  • blubell
  • PETE B

    Grandma 1 Clifford 0

  • LinMad

    well Cliff left Lin in

  • NONONO

    He wouldn’t smile at all if he was corner SG. no matter how fans shouting anthing good for him

  • Rick Johnson

    Walker in party over.

  • Maknusia

    naughty!

  • LinMad

    more like Batum. Kemba did well first q

  • blubell

    Good party while it lasted.

  • sws94

    Big difference when refs are fair and call fouls when Lin is fouled (as KHuang has been saying)

  • sport

    Batum and Walker in, there goes Lin ball.

  • CJSHYY

    No more play making for Lin.

  • LinMad

    lol 2nd delay of game

  • LinMad

    ofc Batum gets the shots

  • LinMad

    that was almost a beautiful play

  • NONONO

    Lin needs to stop overhelps in the paint.

  • LinMad

    5th TO by Batum

  • blubell

    He made the FTs didn’t he? lol

  • Alain Gervais

    Did you see that foul call. Refs are funny

  • blubell

    2 fouls aaaaand he’s out 🙁

  • Dorothy

    Lin out after 2 PF, and Lam in LOL

  • your son’s voltaire

    watch the bucks take the lead soon

  • DX

    Yes, totally.

  • LinMad

    coach obviously allows it. It’s probably coach’s strategy too

  • heart

    Bucks commentators: Lin and Lamb are the top bench performers (I think) in the Eastern Conference..

  • Rick Johnson

    Batum 5 TO. No biggy, keep playing

  • sws94

    Lin shouldn’t make that foul. Oh well. He was playing great. Bigs have to be ready for his passes.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    the games slowed down every time the starters comes back in

  • blubell

    7 pts, 3 asts, 1 reb in 10 min.

  • heart

    Why sub in Lamb? Lamb has 2 fouls too why took out Lin w/ 2fouls? That was a phantom foul on Lin!

  • Rick Johnson

    Saved a basket but ya wish he didn’t get the foul.

  • sws94

    Gave up 6 points that way. Don’t know why Lin does it too much. That’s the only part of his defense that’s been a problem.

  • sport

    Every time Lin plays well this happens, refs don’t want Lin to score. There goes Lin’s minutes. Watch Cliff only bringing him back start of 4th quarter expecting him to be hot scoring when he’s out cold.

  • Alain Gervais

    Lamb has no fouls

  • LinMad

    no he doesnt

  • CJSHYY

    That’s Zeller not Lamb

  • jeremy

    only 2 Fouls Lin isnt gonna play enough mins to foul out anyways
    Clifford literally subs Lin out every chance he gets

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I hate to watch when the game is catered to the starters….rather JLin sits

  • sws94

    He can still playmake, Just work off of Kemba like Batum does.

  • NONONO

    Kemba came in and messed up everything (on D). Can’t Cliff give Kemba some breaks?

  • LinMad

    agreed, Lin won’t have enough minutes 2nd half to even be fouled out so I think coach needs to really play him longer before taking him out over petty things like that

  • MoominFloren

    Lin is only allowed about 10 min in 1st half, whether he got fouls or not

  • heart

    Thanks my bad. I miss took for Zeller.

  • CJSHYY

    I wish. smh!

  • adele

    Im kind of like having an immunization. Numb with what Clifford is going to do.

  • sport

    That’s why many gave up watching the games just checking box score and waiting for highlights.

  • Dorothy

    No, you know he and Batum are the anointed ones.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    guess you are right

  • sws94

    Refs called fouls for Lin. See both sides. Refs are OK this game.

  • Rick Johnson

    I think Kemba is too short. Rebounds suffer.

  • heart

    Batum has 5TOs already?

  • JJ Hui

    The announcer said the game slow down!
    Yes, the old school coach thinks the good flow and leading is biting him n he needs to change the rotation!

  • NONONO

    I wish Lin had more than few seconds smile at the end.

  • LinJa

    There is no equal treatment. Kemba, batum and lamb are part of star manufacturing process. Teams need stars to make money

  • sport

    Meanwhile the real star who can bring the team to the playoffs is benched.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Why Hawes didn’t shoot…

  • LinMad

    meanwhile the real money maker for the Hornets is Lin. Even on the bench with limited minutes.

  • jeremy

    Wouldnt go that far Lin isnt a real star
    but hes good enough on that team to play 25+mins and get plays called for him

  • CJSHYY

    He passed to Batum in last sec…?! LOL!

  • blubell
  • Maknusia

    probably

  • Singapore BB Fan

    ya..what do you expect Batum do? no time to take the shot. haha Hawes is painful to watch..

  • heart

    PJ the playmaker? Held on to the ball. Late passing.. Ran out the clock!

  • LinMad

    did Batum get that TO?

  • 808JL7

    Very good playing by JLin and the BF1. Love his smiles when his shooting FT.

  • JJ Hui

    That is why i dont like this coach, he is not trying to continue the smooth game flow n scoring but just choke it with his fix rotation!

  • sws94

    Lamb does not have the same status as Kemba and Batum. Lin would have played the whole 2Q were in not for the 2nd foul,

  • jeremy

    The hornets promoting Lamb so hard its disgusting
    He’s only 7mil/yr like chill
    hes good but he aint that good…ijk
    thats not true hes pretty good
    poor mans ray allen or K-Mart
    I can see him go 18-22ppg if he starts but his face reminds me of patrick beverley lol

  • heart

    Cliff, remember the ‘game changer’ in Lin—When Lin came in the game, the momentum turned to Hornets favor w/ an eventual lead as a result!

  • Maknusia

    i during the start (Q1)…they were not calling for Hornets…couple of fouls…went without the whistle

  • sws94

    He’s have a very poor game. It’s like it’s too early for him or something.

  • heart

    disgusting indeed!

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t know…

  • sws94

    Kemba didn’t need to come in so early. Cliff’s subbing and rotations need work. He’s overplaying Kemba. Lin was doing great running the offense, should have kept the flow.

  • CJSHYY

    Just check he did. 5 TO. LOL!

  • blubell
  • sws94

    He played 15 in the last game. He was only taken out due to the 2nd foul. It’s OK. Cliff likes what he sees from Lin this game. I don’t know how he feels about overhelping on the 2 3s, but besides that, Lin has made a huge difference on the positive side. And his 3 looked good.

  • kjch

    Ido is pretty intense huh? ..

  • blubell

    It’s getting worse right now. Ido going at it and they’re fed up. I don’t like it at all.

  • TTNN

    no, shot clock violation is a team TO, not on player. Batum is still 5 TO

  • kjch

    Yeah I just read their thread…

  • NONONO

    Cliff is fine with Batum’s 5TOs. In the meantime, Jeremy Lin got punished by two fouls which was just byproducts of his superior defense. After 15 games, I just realized that Cliff never interned to protect Lin from foul out. He either punished him for fouls or use it as excuse to minimize Lin’s minutes for Kemba or Lamb.

  • wandertheglobe

    Batum, the playmaker with 5 TOs so far…Stop the madness, he’s a SF not a SG or playmaker.

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! I thought he had 4 TO….

  • heart

    Didn’t I say Hornets are copying Rox model? No doubt…

  • Singapore BB Fan

    What happened to AL Jeff? missed the start of game

  • LinMad

    What happened to EQUALITY

  • TTNN
  • 1mtoldman

    out early with injury not expected to return i beleive.

  • Sundown

    That’s the reason why sometimes I’m feelin’ under

  • jeremy

    Hope Lin gets traded somehow
    This team really has no room for Lin
    They wanna give as many mins to Batum/Walker/Lam as possible
    when MKG comes back he will also demand some touches
    Lin needs to get out of there asap for his own good
    he can be a good back up on a really good team

  • blubell

    BF1 getting it done.

  • blubell
  • heart

    Cliff’s Can’t deviate his pre-scripted game plan. Can’t make in-game adjustment quickly…according to a guy on twitter who has been following Hornets and Cliff for a long time.

  • blubell
  • jeremy

    the real question is
    is Hawes even a quality player?

  • adele

    That’s the only possibility that we can hope at this point for him to get out of the unfair treatment.

  • JJ Hui

    Lol!

  • wandertheglobe

    Virtually no chance of them trading Lin especially for his next to nothing contract and his contribution to the team.

  • jeremy

    not unfair but its not optimal for him and not what he was promised

  • Dorothy

    Batum 6 TO now

  • jeremy

    Yah they can only get a scrub or a rookie in return
    so Lin has to demand it or when charlotte decides to tank

  • heart

    Let Hansborough have some playing time today Cliff! Zeller w/ 4 fouls and Hawes defense is questionable…

  • kauaiblue

    Jlin to rescue these morons…

  • FSW

    That would imply ball iq

  • Alain Gervais

    Starters always in the negative. Take Lin off the team and This team goes back to last year

  • heart

    We’re just gonna bring out the injustice… Cliff continues to let Batum in the game w/ 6TO. The next time Lin is taken out on his TO, we’re going to bring this up again!

  • LinMad

    How come I’m not surprised that Batum isn’t out with 6 TOs? Cause he had a game with 7 TOs before and wasn’t pulled out.

  • I see JLin with 4/4 FTs
    This is good for chance to close games.

    Just need to watch the fouls and avoid TOs (0 now)

  • Dorothy

    I prefer them lose this game without Lin’s help

  • FSW

    Yet no credit by cliff – it is Kemba batum lamb show

  • wandertheglobe

    As Lin fans, we want Lin to return to Linsanity. Which team do you think can give Lin the role that he has right now? Hornets have no good reason to trade Lin. Walker has history of injuries and MJ proclaiming that Lin is his “most important acquisition”. Hornets would not give Lin away unless it’s for Curry…Just kidding.

  • FSW

    I admire your optimism – hope this will get him playing time

  • sws94

    Nic needs to sit. Not his night. Time for Psycho T and Clifford should play Lin big minutes in the half.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Batum airball…must be the early game

  • LinMad

    Don’t get it wrong Hornet fans, it’s the coach’s decisions making Lin fans hate the Hornets. The same unfair treatment.

  • FSW

    Never a double standard is there lol

  • Alain Gervais

    Datum has 7 TOV and Kemba 2

  • Singapore BB Fan

    starters squandered the lead

  • Dorothy

    Batum 7 TO now

  • LinMad

    Lin needs to start wearing a Superman shirt while he’s on the bench. Cause he’s always to the rescue.

  • Dorothy

    Do not bring in Lin to rescue them

  • FSW

    And if he doesn’t ?

  • wandertheglobe

    Lin comes to the rescue, again? This starting line up is pathetic.

  • JJ Hui

    What a bad coach , letting the game slipped away!

  • LinMad

    The magnificent PJ 360 spin shot

  • Alain Gervais

    Has Lamb waiting… to do what idk

  • sws94

    Team looks pathetic now. Need Lin now, not at the 2 minute mark. Now.

  • NONONO

    Cliff uses Lin as stop-loss tool which would only be triggered when Hornets loss to a center level.

  • LinMad

    Lin was about to go in but then someone told him to sit?

  • I am The Jason

    This Hornets team has a 3rd quarter problem. They just underperform in it too much.

  • I’m actually enjoying starters keep losing lead wo Jlin ?

  • JJ Hui

    Lamb is not playing well without Lin!

  • Alain Gervais

    That was God- Let them Learn my son.

  • FSW

    Situation not desperate enough

  • Dorothy

    same here and hope clifford has the guts not bringing in Lin

  • wandertheglobe

    He’ll get in the next time-out.

  • Alain Gervais

    He is the savior. The 6th man

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Jason Kidd called for timeout…what happened to Cliff…he can still bear to watch the ugly starters.. Jason did cliff a favour to call a timeout

  • JJ Hui

    Every game but the old school coach never adjust!

  • LinMad

    Watch Lin gets put in and we start leading, then gets yanked out for a personal foul

  • Rick Johnson

    Walker -13, Lin +11.

  • I am The Jason

    lmao

  • 808JL7

    Kemba jumper missed the whole basket. 1st team so out of sync. Put in JLin now.

  • A few games like this will make the game plan looks embarrassing

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin still sitting

  • JJ Hui

    Tyler in!

  • Rick Johnson

    Only if he’s PG. If Walker stays in and hogs ball maybe not.

  • NONONO

    He knows Lin can save them if they are behind.

  • LinMad

    ok this coach is not coaching at all

  • I am The Jason

    Wow. Psycho T enters the game.

  • khomphuong2
  • Shocking indeed

  • jeremy

    still no Lin i see

  • LinMad

    No Lin No Win

  • David Kim

    What’s Lin stat now?

  • CJSHYY

    4Q.

  • sws94

    Psycho T will probably be in foul trouble soon.

  • 808JL7

    JLin coming in.

  • Sundown

    Already.

  • LinMad

    same cause he just went in

  • 1:30 left in Q3 for Batum

  • gandychan

    Surprised that Lin came in for batum. Thought he would have to wait longer with kemba at the line

  • Alain Gervais

    assist 4

  • LinMad

    the lead is coming back

  • JJ Hui

    Lin in leads up!

  • heart

    Walker benefits when Lin is on the floor w/him. Can’t say the reverse for Lin…

  • Rick Johnson

    Let Walker sit. I want to see some Lin / Hansbrough PnR.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Kemba rather go for Lamb when Lin was right in front of him outside the arc

  • CJSHYY

    I am worry. Batum plays bad hope Cliff will not let Kemba w Lin in early 4Q….

  • Alain Gervais

    If lin plays the rest of the game he will have 24 minutes wow how great.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s for sure… smh!

  • gandychan

    Lin won’t finish the rest of the game. Don’t get your hopes up.

  • OT plzzzz ?

  • sws94

    Lin, very little. Kemba very much.

  • blubell
  • linfan

    If he gets a turnover, he will be out

  • LinMad

    Can someone tell this guy at ATH that he’s got the numbers wrong. He’s trying to say that Lin’s minutes has been normal so far:

    it’s been pretty normal so far actually

    Comes in 3 minute mark, plays 11 minutes 1H. Comes in 4 minute mark 2H. Doesn’t seem confusing to me.”

    He didn’t come in at the 4 minute mark lol. He came in at 1 or low 2 minute mark (I forgot)?

  • sws94

    If they are quality minutes, he ups his efficiency. So far, so good.

  • cdblue10

    What’s the score I’m at work

  • heart

    We know… Lin got the lead and Cliff will not him have the glory…

  • Dorothy

    Yes, i noticed that long ago. Talking about Kemba a great leader and no jealousy? LOL

  • NONONO

    Starters all -, BF1 all +.

  • sws94

    Can we just see? The negativity here is too much sometimes. Let’s just see what happens.

  • LinMad

    nice they use an image from 1st half lol

  • blubell

    wow… the refs

  • heart

    Bucks 61; Hornets 65

  • 65-61 Hornets
    lin 7/4

  • cdblue10

    Is he playing well?

  • cdblue10

    Ty psalm

  • CJSHYY

    Damn it. It’s Kemba w Lin… smh!

  • cdblue10

    Thnks heart

  • blubell

    Kemba Iso…

  • Rick Johnson

    Kemba chucking alert

  • sws94

    Excellent.

  • gandychan

    Yank him. 3rd foul

  • Singapore BB Fan

    wow the ref is whistle happy

  • cdblue10

    Yeaayyyy

  • selflin

    kemba is tired, shot on the front rim! No clutch again

  • cdblue10

    Thnks sws I’ll watch the replay

  • Rick Johnson

    Hands tied with Kemba at PG.

  • NONONO

    Does Cliff try to kill Kemba?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Cliff should rest Kemba…hate to watch him struggle so badly

  • cdblue10

    Ouuccchhhh

  • adele

    He will be given his rest after he will have his all star stats. Rest and glory for Kemba. All good.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Jason Kidd is putting 2 defenders on Lin…

  • selflin

    Batum has a worse game to say at least!

  • FSW

    In the fog of coach thinking must play Kemba no Kemba no win

  • Rick Johnson

    More Kemba chucking

  • LinMad

    next play for Lin

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Kemba chucking…struggling really bad

  • JJ Hui

    When is Kemba going to rest? He will injure if the coach loves him that much!

  • heart

    Bucks is driving to the basket to get fouls while KW is hogging the ball…trying to make shots for himself only…

  • blubell

    Psycho T!

  • Alain Gervais

    Im so done with this team.

  • Rick Johnson

    Sit Walker. Let Lin get a 10 pt lead then he can come back.

  • CJSHYY

    I know Kemba just wants to ISO … smh!

  • selflin

    Kid knows who is the best playmaker! Putting 2 defenders on Lin!

  • jeremy

    Lin’s only taken 3 shots
    so much for letting him play his game lol

  • Dorothy

    Hey, but he has Clifford’s blessings…

  • blubell

    Don’t care if Kemba gets credit as long as Jeremy gets his stats.

  • CJSHYY

    Why he’s still on ? Damn it.

  • JJ Hui

    If Kemba not resting, the game is going be on the fence again because he started hero ball now!

  • CJSHYY

    Me too. only 3 shots? smh!

  • heart

    Cliff, take KW out!!! KW controls the ball the whole time…Can’t play w/o the ball in his hand. Let Lin make plays… SMH!

  • adele

    Hurray Clifford.

  • blubell

    Wow. Kemba already played more than 33 minutes?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    lot of movement but very poor spacing …not good for JLin to drive in

  • sport

    So much for being fair and playing more minutes to those play well. Hope Hornets lose this game! They deserve it!

  • NONONO
  • Dorothy

    It is actually fine with me. I want to see Walker failing with Clifford and Hornets down

  • LinMad

    Whether Lin gets his minutes or not, Cliff will always find ways to marginalize Lin. Like putting him next to another ball handler like Kemba or Batum.

  • blubell

    Kemba out. Batum In.

  • NONONO

    Many other teams doing the same things to Lin

  • Good news!

  • JJ Hui

    Thank God Kemba sitting so that he rest his body!

  • blubell

    Great D

  • Michael

    Yay!

  • blubell

    ahhhhhh

  • LinMad

    Batum gets it…

  • sport

    Really? Many of us has been done for a while. Just watch stats and highlight sinstead of wasting time watching Lin play bench minutes.

  • Dorothy

    8 TO Batum LOLLLLL

  • blubell

    Great rebound Jeremy!

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Batum 8 TO?

  • JJ Hui

    Batum ? How many TO?

  • LinMad

    8 TOs..

  • LinMad

    good thing Lin is a foul magnet

  • selflin

    Bate cookied

  • Rick Johnson

    Cliff: no problem, good job Batum.

  • jeremy

    8TOs still keep going at Batum
    real good coaching smh

  • gandychan

    8th TO for batum. Keep playing. Next play won’t be a TO!

  • JJ Hui

    He needs to sit! He is killing the team!

  • 808JL7

    What a long leash for Batum. 8 TOs.

  • heart

    And his TO occurs always at the most crucial building momentum moment!

  • Al

    Lin missing his shots. Too much energy spend on D

  • Rick Johnson

    Think Cliff will ever let JLin play with 8 TO?

  • LinMad

    Imagine if Lin had 8 TOs…actually he wouldn’t ever get to that cause coach would have sat him the rest of the game at 4 TOs.

  • blubell

    Forget Batum. Jeremy is playing well on D. Stil in the game.

  • sport

    And a short leash for Lin just for having 2 fouls and/or 2 TOs.

  • LinMad

    no

  • NONONO

    Cliff let Batum close the game with 8TOs?

  • Rick Johnson

    Walker back, what was that 1 minute?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    well you gotta let batum play through the mistakes….Cliff.

  • CJSHYY

    Why? smh!

  • 808JL7

    Let’s have some PR with Lin and T.

  • cdblue10

    Lol

  • FSW

    Haha

  • I am The Jason

    Lin would not even get that far.

  • Dorothy

    No way, Kemba in

  • NONONO

    Lin needs to DEMAND the ball!

  • Dorothy

    Batum 9 TO amazing

  • Singapore BB Fan

    9 TO for Batum

  • JJ Hui

    Batum TO! Again!

  • blubell

    JEremy only playing D?

  • FSW

    Demand away little man..,

  • Kemba in Lamb out

  • cdblue10

    1to and 1 foul that’s it

  • LinMad

    9th TO

  • blubell

    another good rebound

  • I am The Jason

    Batum may have a double double when this game is over.

  • LinJa

    Batum is Horrid right now

  • NONONO

    Replace Batum with Tank!!!

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin going to get Monroe fouled out.

  • Michael

    All NBA defensive team ^^

  • 808JL7

    Batum won’t pass back to JLin and now 9 TOs.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    JLin is smart…draw that foul

  • sport

    No kidding with 10 TOs.

  • LinMad

    foul magnet Lin

  • blubell
  • LinMad

    no charge?

  • blubell

    What’s Cliff saying to Jeremy?

  • jeremy

    Lin just shoot man!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin hasn’t made a shot since first haif. Its just corner duty

  • LinMad

    almost a 10th TO

  • blubell
  • your son’s voltaire

    lin should keep taking charges with that back
    also needs to be more aggressive with batum having a bad night

  • NONONO

    double double

  • sws94

    Maybe Cliff is telling Lin to shoot. He seems to get the ball and just pass it. Make stuff happen.

  • your son’s voltaire

    *shouldn’t

  • Singapore BB Fan

    JLin should stop passing to Batum…his airball and poor last sec pass could be Batum’s 10 and 11 TOs

  • wandertheglobe

    Batum close to a double double 12 pts 9 TOs

  • blubell

    Be Clutch 🙂

  • NONONO

    Lin focus so much on defenses and rebounds.

  • Alain Gervais

    He is not really going for the ball. Idk why but he has an issue with that as a SG

  • Singapore BB Fan

    1. Cliff doesn’t want to win this game
    or
    2. Make Kemba the hero

  • gandychan

    Batum. You can get a double double! Let’s go!

  • Michael

    Why would he want Lin to be Dave Hardisty?

  • your son’s voltaire

    step it up LIn. 4th quarter belongs to Lin

  • CJSHYY

    Must be from Cliff’s order….

  • blubell

    Clutch the Bear…

  • Alain Gervais

    Lol Lin done

  • LinMad

    in a way by passing to Batum, Lin is exploiting Batum as a bad ball handler and Kobe like shooter

  • Dorothy

    Lin out. GOOO MIL

  • heart

    Notice guys/gals, Cliff allows Lin to stay in is for his D not his O for KW and Batum to make baskets… Only time he gets the rock is last seconds…KW & NB control the rock…

  • your son’s voltaire

    NO LIN, NO WIN
    LET’S GO BUCKS

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin out. Ok time to lose

  • Sundown

    You probably mean “for the night” but I’d say he’s done with any chance of scoring or being a starter.

  • MoominFloren

    Go Bucks !

  • LinMad

    /gg no lin, no win

  • Michael

    Ok.

  • Alain Gervais

    A loss would make me too happy

  • 808JL7

    What Lin out? Coach is full of it. Let’s go Bucks!!!

  • jeremy

    Lin out
    Lets go bucks!!!

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOL expect a loss now.

  • Rick Johnson

    Lead gone

  • your son’s voltaire

    i see clifford likes to lose

  • LinJa

    …they subbed lin out?! again cliff is experimenting on closing with Lamb….when will see the light?

  • NONONO

    GO MIL!!!

  • blubell

    Maybe Cliff said “we’ll lose without you, Jeremy.”

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOL seem like everyone has the same mind.

  • LinJa

    give batum the ball!

  • Dorothy

    Lin does not look happy

  • sws94

    Big shot, Batum. I don’t mind Lamb in, Lin wasn’t shooting.

  • 808JL7

    Yeah Batum misses and then fouls. Come on bucks. Yes tie game.

  • CJSHYY

    Of course not…

  • sport

    Lin not happy even when Batum made that 3.

  • your son’s voltaire

    clifford said something before benching Lin. i’m sure he was just making up some dumb excuse

  • LinJa

    keep giving the ball to batum

  • blubell

    But he was playing defense. Out rebounding the bigs.

  • wandertheglobe

    Lin tried to give Batum a low-five but Batum looks away.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Go for OT…JLin’s magic

  • JJ Hui

    Kemba walker hugged Zeller n Batum like lover but didnt pass any ball to Lin, so obvious!
    Game is not over yet, dont celebrate too early!

  • 808JL7

    JLin is pissed. So am I.

  • sport

    Jealous and threatened by the Asian guy of course. No matter how you look at it Hornets are not a real team, both Walker and Batum only care about themselves. Lin needs to do the same thing, everyone is out to be the best.

  • gandychan

    Give batum 10 chances after 9 turnovers, which led to like 15 points by the Bucks. Let him redeem himself.

  • gandychan

    Lin did all the dirty work drawing 3-4 fouls in the 4th quarter. Yanked!

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets only get away with this with lousy teams. Won’t work with better teams.

  • Sundown

    JLin needs to shoot when he gets the chance.

  • sws94

    Everything’s fine. He wasn’t scoring and Lamb is more of a scorer. No big deal.

  • OT plzzzzzzz?

  • your son’s voltaire

    it’s official. clifford is worst than both byron and mchale

  • CJSHYY

    They don’t give him the ball to take the shot… smh!

  • FSW

    Ok cliff got his

  • gandychan

    Left Lin hanging there. Lol. He’s trying to fit in, but no one is paying attention.

  • Al

    Hornets need somebody that can put the ball in the basket. Lamb has a higher fg%, hope sit will work out.

  • LinJa

    again lamb in and not Lin, Lamb is being propped up to be the next hornets star. He is playing better than Lin, I’d give him that. But Batum…yeah…ok.

  • Dorothy

    Lin is NOT Happy at all

  • sport

    Lin benched even though he’s plays better than Batum and Walker and threaten’s their starting spot.

  • your son’s voltaire

    lamb only does good when Lin is on the court with him

  • blubell

    Zeller being classy.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    wonder why Cliff makes an easy game look so complicated

  • Sundown

    Hopefully he’lll be motivated to play better and take more shots , not be such a passive player who tries to make coach happy with defense.

  • adele

    So sad. What can you expect? When the coach will not respect you, the other players will follow.

  • Dorothy

    because his “stars” sucks

  • CJSHYY

    How to make more shots? They don’t even pass the ball to him?

  • rookie75094

    I hope the hornets keep winning like this…until they think they can do it with out jlin…after they traded Jlin away….reality going to hit.

  • wu kong

    oh shut up.

  • sport

    He was happy 2nd quarter when he was making shots and assists until he was benched again until 7 minute of 4th without closing the game!

  • selflin

    Can’t wait the game against Warriors!!! Win is a W!!!

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Cliff: I need you to warm the bench.

  • sws94

    Good game. However, Nic had a horrible game and Lin should be allowed to play through mistakes. For Lin, be more assertive at the end of the game. I think Lin’s not being more assertive got him pulled, but he played almost to the end of it.

  • I am The Jason

    Its clear the Hornets are only catering to Walker, Lamb, and Batum. I understand Walker, he is their franchise pg. The Hornets are trying to justify the Lamb extension and they are trying get Batum to resign with them in FO. I know its early, but I don’t see Lin being a Hornet next season.

  • Sundown

    He’s the Tyler Hansborough of point guards, do the dirty work and give the stars a rest and then sit on the bench when the game matters.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin Really played 5 more min only for today… smh!

  • occupatio

    lin missed 2 shots and didnt force it at the end. not much else to say.

  • adele

    Promises not kept.

  • blubell

    I don’t think so…

  • your son’s voltaire

    anyone but Lin. that’s always been the case, everywhere

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Kemba the HERO! Isn’t what MJ and Cliff want to see

  • sport

    Lin was passing Batum the ball. Lin needs to look to score the minute he gets a pass and not pass back out to selfish teammates! Learn to ice out Walker and Batum when he gets the ball just like they are doing to him!

  • wu kong

    seriously it is a big deal and you are not hiding your hate very well

  • Dorothy

    sure, for someone not believe in Lin anything Lin did could be pulled, but Kemba, Batum now Lamb can do no wrong, including 9 TOs LOL , Life is not fair, is it???

  • LinJa

    We all know Lin should be given the chance to play. Lin is not treated fairly. We can only speculate why this is the case.

  • jeremy

    Lin doesnt look happy at all lol
    Thats my boy hope he stops playing for the team
    rather starts playing for himself

  • sws94

    Folks have to stop whining so much here. Lin was in and wasn’t assertive enough. That’s why he was pulled, NOT because Cliff didn’t want him to finish. Cliff had him in there to finish. Lin is every bit as capable of doing what Kemba did tonight. Cliff wants him to make a difference, he was just a guy on the court playing defense and hustling, but not contributing enough when he got the ball offensively.

  • I am The Jason

    Byron is worst and its not even close

  • selflin

    Some Batum’s turnover he refuses to pass the ball to an open Lin!!! I don’t remember but it was his 8 or 9th turnover.

  • gandychan

    Worked all night. Went to sleep at 7am. Woke up at 11am to waste my time watching this game. Now I will be sleep deprived for work tonight. FML

  • sport

    5th season with only 18-22 minutes per game and JLin still hasn’t learned to look after himself. All these “teamball” crap before the season are just talk. Everyone wants to be the star of the team especially Walker and Batum.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    JLin +10 and Kemba -9
    guess who is the real hero?

  • Rick Johnson

    Wasn’t scoring because Walker had the ball mostly or else Batum was turning it over.

  • jeremy

    Thats why his ceilings are a good role player
    he doesnt believe in himself

  • sws94

    Not cool, wu kong. Sundown didn’t say anything wrong.

  • CJSHYY

    That means nothing. Really hate this team.

  • Michael

    Batum 9TO

  • LinMad

    hopefully Lin will be traded to a different team. I can’t stand this anymore.

  • your son’s voltaire

    sundown is a known troll from the other site

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Lin isn’t too happy ….batum is now the new Turnover Machine

  • Dorothy

    exactly, Lin is too naive

  • jeremy

    Yep thats why Lin isnt a star and just a good role player

  • LinJa

    At this point, I thought Hornets was going to give the chance. But now, any team will treat Lin the same.

  • sws94

    It’s not a matter of fairness or not. Life isn’t fair. It is what it is. If he has to do more, he’s capable. So, it’s up to Lin to just be more assertive.

  • MoominFloren

    FO tried really hard to prove that Kemba – Lamb – Batum lineup can bring them a win
    Lin just doing all the dirty works, let the glory be to the manufactured stars

  • LinMad

    I don’t care how many times Hornets PR or media mentions Lin to try to sweet talk him into staying. Coach and FO obviously has a different agenda in mind and Lin isn’t in the equation. It’s Batum, Kemba and Lamb.

  • Dorothy

    Today I am an official Hornets and Clifford hater.

  • Promo Sports World

    This was a good game for Jeremy
    Back-up strong stats…needs to make his shots and will get 22-25 minutes a game…led the team with assists…

    On the other side MCW a 10 ten pick with less minutes and benched for Bayless….the league is a fickle one. Just play your role well and that’s jermey right now.

    Most posters here only see Jeremy but there is a league full of players in Jeremys position

  • LinMad

    if you think about it, Rockets was actually treating Lin better.

  • Rick Johnson

    He’s only passive when Walker is at PG. He’s quite aggressive but playing team ball in the rare minutes he’s the only PG.

  • your son’s voltaire

    once again, Lin bailed out the starters and yet gets benched while the starters rode the momentum and takes all the credit. it’s houston all over again, folks

  • kjch

    Yeah could totally see it. His celebration when kemba and batam hit shots at the end looked half-hearted.

  • sws94

    Hornets are good for Lin. He didn’t score in the 2nd half and Lin has to get back to having stronger 2nd halves than first halves. He has to change his approach when playing with Kemba and be more assertive.

  • sport

    He can if he’s more selfish and looks to score every chance he gets! He needs to average 20+ PPG and take 13-15 shots every game before people see him as a star. That should be his goal every game. No one is just going to hand him the ball and let him be the leader without high scoring to go with it.

  • wu kong

    He drew the fouls in the 4th that is assertive

  • LinMad

    I’m pretty sure next season there will be a lot of options for Lin.

  • gandychan

    Batum is the real hero of this game

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Okay guys, it’s official…I truly believe this team and situation is by far the worst situation for Lin.

    Clifford don’t even trust Lin to play point-guard since he barely plays there and plays more than half his minutes as a shooting guard waiting in the corner…They don’t even run plays for him.

    What is also alarming is the fact that Kemba is playing close to 40minute every night…Wha’s the purpose of having a high-end back-up point guard like Lin if he can’t even get 11 minutes to play PG?…At least, he got more than that with Lakers and Houston.

    What also bother me is the fact Lin did very well facilitating as PG in the second quarter and Charlotte had build a nice lead of 8 point…Lin had at least 4 assist in that quarter…So why not let Lin facilitate more in the second half?….Instead, Clifford kept Kemba in, even to start the fourth quarter.

    Now, Kemba has played well this year and is shooting very well, but he’s still not getting enough assist and facilitating much…After Lin’s first half of 4 assist and 7 point, I felt Clifford should had given him more minute as the facilitator, but it doesn’t look like he trust Lin to even do that since he’s obsess in playing Kemba 40minute and that leave no time for Lin to facilitate.

    Anyway, they won today, but after Lin was taken out in the fourth quarter, I got very mad because Lin barely got to touch the ball and do anything…that is after he had a great first half.

    I’m officially among the ranks who believe this situation is by far the worst for Lin and I’m just hoping Charlotte would trade him if he can’t even get decent minute or even get 12 minute as the main point guard.

  • heart

    So all Lin hard work went to the bench for Cliff to shore up Hornets future line up to bask in glory win and for home crowd cheers. What happens to Lin is locked for 4 qtr closeout according to Adi Joseph’s tweet?! Cliff’s words are cheap. His actions speak louder and reveals his and Hornets’ motive and dishonor!!! Any more doubt guys/gals?

  • LinMad
  • kjch

    Any idea why hornets don’t pursue Lin like they do batum?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    He makes it such a close game …otherwise JLin would have blown out the MIL

  • sws94

    That was good. The getting the ball from Batum or Kemba just to dribble once and give it back to one of them, wasn’t.

  • wu kong

    you can shut up too.

  • your son’s voltaire

    so Lin saved clifford, and he gets his back stabbed once again

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins career is going down hill real fast. Although his skill are better. Which is frustrating. His is better but his stats keep dropping. His minutes keep dropping. I think we have seen the best in Lins career. I don’t think he will ever get the opportunity to do more. His stats this year will be at or worse this last year. His threes will be better and all the other advance stats. Like i said last game i have lost all hope for Linsanity 2.0. Lin all continue to hope from team to team getting even less opportunity.

  • Promo Sports World

    Lakers was far worse….by leaps. This is a true role for Jeremy and the only promise I see broken right now is the kemba Lin backcourt

  • wu kong

    he drew the fouls in the 4th. that is assertive.

  • Dorothy

    I agreed, there maybe some other players in NBA in Lin’s position, but none of them being used for marketing tools like Lin yet being purposely marginalized like Lin.

  • LinJa

    What I’m saying is, even if he is more assertive, they won’t look at it. They ignore this. They ignore his effort, they ignore his scoring, they ignore his defense. First half, he was assertive. Second half, he sitll didn’t get the respect. Sure Cliff is experimenting, I’ll wait till ASB, then I’ll start labeling Cliff. Right now, I’m just stating my observations.

  • CJSHYY
  • Alain Gervais

    This is every year I’m tired of the articles. Lin chose Cliff. Its over.

  • cshot

    what the heck happened?! i missed the game today

  • Sundown

    Just checking: this is the sweetness and light site, right?

  • sws94

    Clifford is playing them together by increasing Kemba’s minutes. That just makes Lin less active in the offense. The balance he has with Batum isn’t there with Kemba.

  • LinMad

    Kemba isn’t the only one keeping Lin from being a PG for a team. It’s also Batum. This is a season to forget.

  • wu kong

    OMG you are so annoying. stop with the pretend Lin fandom and just go back to clutchfans

  • khomphuong2

    No, you did not miss anything. 🙂

  • your son’s voltaire

    this guy knows what he’s talking about

  • Singapore BB Fan

    JLin out-smart Jason Kidd…MIL strategy is to get Hornets big into foul trouble early…JLin took out their big guy at the end.

  • sws94

    You are getting annoying. You are a mod. Act like one. Don’t let your emotions get the better of you. Calling me a fan of that garbage site is uncalled for.

  • blubell

    Not a peep about Batum’s 9 TO’s only how he and Kemba saved the day… *sigh*

  • Promo Sports World

    Too negative….GMs will covet Lin in this role…..linsanity was a great moment but Jeremys career is one that will continue in the positive. I don’t understand expectations this is his 3rd team in the last 2 calendar years. This is a stable role. There is no drama with Charlotte

  • LinMad

    Notice how towards the end when Batum stops handling the ball and just spot up shooting he did really well. Why can’t coach let batum do that all game while Lin handles the ball. Also I don’t get why Kemba and Batum were both in with Lin towards the end. Coach doesn’t trust Lin one bit at the PG position.

  • your son’s voltaire

    they did pursue him and got him on the cheap because he was a free agent and they knew they could trick him since he’s too nice

  • Promo Sports World

    No PNR with kemba makes it hard

  • JJ Hui

    Lin needs to talk to coach again since they talked so much before season started!

  • wu kong

    you have nothing but negative comments on anything anyone says. it is obvious.

  • blubell
  • GameWatcher

    Lin kept passing the ball with 3 seconds. Too much stat watching. He should take a few games off to reset.

  • cshot

    sigh just saw the stats and minutes..guessing lin led the bench and saved the game, only to be benched afterwards

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    Funny, Hornets won, yet five starters have negative +/- expcept MW has 0: PH -13, AJ -8, NB -8, KW -9

  • Sundown

    No worries sws94. Those kinds of comments are just cries of pain, lashing out to defer having to face reality. I get that some posters have their self-worth tied up in Lin’s play so they interpret any negative analysis of Lin’s game as a personal attack on them.

  • devin23

    Only reason Lin played those 4 games with 28+ min was because Hairston was injured. Now that he’s in starting lineup again, Lin will play around 20-25 min a game. If only Lin could only get those extra minutes from Hairston, things would be different.

  • sws94

    I was banned form Clutchfans by the way. I’m rooting for Lin but I’m rooting for him to take the power and not leave it up to anyone. That is the approach you MUST take if you are trying to make inroads into an organization as a minority. By EXCELLING. So I’m on him and not the others as much. Let him play his best and then there is nothing you can put on Lin at all. If he doesn’t, they get an out.,

  • grover chang

    Lin and the bench did their job and got the lead. Psycho T got to play and helped. Starters finished the game and won.

  • Alain Gervais

    So you think he will sign here long term. His PPG and Minutes lower then last year

  • wu kong

    if this were my site I would have you banned. but alas it is not. so snipe away at everyone and pretend you are a fan as you denigrate every comment. you are so obvious.

  • Promo Sports World

    Politics and racial politics at that sucks but I see a player who gives his all and is a good teammate….in the future then back will embrace an Asian pg….just not yet……look how long it took for European players to be embraced

  • Alain Gervais

    More like 15-22

  • heart

    Cliff definitely has turned on him. He can talk ’til he’s blue. Marginalization continues. This change is from top down (MJ, Cho, Cliff). Lin can make it known to fans that he’s been duped! Fans can put pressure on Hornets org. Nothing to lose now!

  • sport

    Lin barely gets 22 minutes. Hornets are dumb to think that Batum would stay. Once he gets his stats he’s bolting to a bigger market team. And with this horrible treatment Lin would not stay and they will lose.

  • sws94

    My comments are not negative. My comments are pro-Lin to make the best case for himself though his play. The stuff about the organization and Lin wan’t get his is more negative. Because if you keep looking for Lin to find the ideal place, you may run out of places. Let him make a mark here.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    not surprising….Cliff wants to show that the starters can close the game and win….at the expense of the bench.

  • Promo Sports World

    No way….I expect Jeremy to be a backup on contending teams for years to come. 2 or 3 year deals but he won’t get big money. That train has passed. He will have a solid career that could’ve b em great if for not racial politics

  • blubell
  • your son’s voltaire

    saying life isn’t fair is like saying everybody else in the league gets the same kind of unfair treatment that Lin gets. which isn’t true at all

  • Singapore BB Fan

    We knew Hornet’s agenda….Kemba the Hero…

  • your son’s voltaire

    you can’t troll here, buddy. go back to the other non-mod site

  • LinMad

    ya and I have the feeling coach wanted to yank him earlier

  • kjch

    I mean like make sure they treat him super well like they do batum in order to ensure Lin stays with them. Guess they’re just not all that interested

  • JJ Hui

    The coach is developing injuries for Kemba n Batum without resting them enough

  • devin23

    I’m sayings this baring foul trouble, I think he gets around 20 minutes.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Hornets Exposed!

  • sws94

    And you’re acting unprofessionally. Telling another poster to shut up because of some criticism of Lin is unprofessional and I thought better of you before that. I think both of us need to take a breath. We are on the same side and approaching it differently. I said PLENTY of positive things about Lin in the first half. And he was OK in the 2nd half but when playing with Kemba, he has to be more assertive if you wants to play more with him. Kemba is not coming out of the game nor should he. He made big plays and he’s been with the team for years,

  • Singapore BB Fan

    It’s not about Bench vs Bench. The problem lies with Hornets starters vs starters!

  • MoominFloren

    I’m done with this team
    I hate seeing they use Lin for PR again and again

  • LinMad

    Lin was drawing in 2 defenders. Why would Cliff take Lin out?

  • your son’s voltaire

    i think Cho wanted Lin but not clifford who has all the say in how the game is played.. rotation, substitution, et cetera

  • kjch

    Imagine jlin had that kind of freedom…. Smh

  • grover chang

    Well in terms of cliff and the hornets I’m unhappy but happy Lin played well. Supported his team on and off court. Stayed center as he said in God.

  • heart

    What? No drama? Suppressing and breaking promises to someone who gave them the discount to play his game? He’s being used and abused…SMH! There’s no excuse for this. Hornets are using Lin’s popularity (Rox template) to bring attention to their small market franchise and building up ‘fake’ stars.

  • devin23

    I hope Lin knows now not to be easily convinced by words. Actions speak louder than words. He should never take a pay cut again. Get the most money so teams won’t cheat him like this again even if it’s a backup role.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    to make Kemba and Batum the heroes

  • CJSHYY

    I know sent the tweet to him already. smh!

  • your son’s voltaire

    bench force one is kinda catchy and has a ring to it, but where’s the association with the hornets in that name?

  • Lin Win

    I hope this lights a fire in Lin. He needs to be proactive and not be a punching bag.

  • LinMad
  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin to the GSW next season. i’m calling it early

  • CJSHYY

    Only allowed to add 5 more min for today. Plus Lin was not allowed to take any shot… smh!

  • devin23

    In fact, his mpg is the lowest in his career since his rookie season…

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats what I’m saying yet you seem content with that role while I’m completely disgusted by that role

  • kauaiblue

    Ill do you one more… i am indifferent…

  • Steppen03

    No Lin, No Win… Huh, got lucky today. “CCliff, what’s the meaning of pulling Lin out the final 2 min for Lamb ??”
    Given: NB is the ball handler from now on besides KW. NB wants to be “the man, the hero.” Unselfishness IS not a word to describe this Team (not NB & KW, Al, at least).

  • Promo Sports World

    Truth is the NBA coaches and players hated linsanity….and the attention Jeremy received. It’s racially based for sure. And that’s America folks.

    Also dantoni system was very much disdained. Anyone remember Nash’s 2 Mvps being dissed up and down the street. So Jeremy is back to his d-league days in many ways. Proving that he belongs in a role in the NBA.

    He is doing that and will have a bunch of teams ready to sign him. I get folks want to blame someone but this is sports. Lots of talented people get burned due to politics.

  • wu kong

    he drew the fouls in the 4th. that is assertive. what do you expect him to do punch Kemba and steal the ball? his stats PROVE he should get more playing time you ignore that try to continue saying he needs to EARN his minutes. you are fake and I am tired of you. Your clutchfans pants are showing and you should pull them up man. maybe even some suspenders are in order.

  • cshot

    id much rather have him play for gsw than this selfish team lol

  • LinJa

    maybe, the season is not over yet.

  • your son’s voltaire

    he’ll probably get 2 more minutes playing for GSW than hornets but they’d be crazy fun minutes

  • Dorothy

    No sure, remember Steve Kerr never had good things to say about Lin when he was a commentator?

  • heart

    Just say it NB and KW are SELFISH, and CC/FO are enabling them! Why are people shying in saying this???

  • jeremy

    Yep yep

  • your son’s voltaire

    it’s fine. i don’t exactly like coaches who said great things about Lin then stabs him in the back

  • cshot

    him playing with iggy, klay, livingston, ezili would be awesome

  • LinMad

    the colors on the sign lol

  • LinJa

    Lin as floor general, takes what the defense gives him. He may appear passive. But this season, he’s played his best as PG. There’s just not enough minutes. IMO he has been assertive and aggressive. But You can’t have him force the lane or take a shot every time. Lin is too intelligent for that. As PG, it is also his job to get others open and pass the ball. I’m just saying that what Lin has done, he should receive credit and minutes.

  • Rick Johnson

    Can get away with it with sub 500 teams. Won’t get away with it with better teams. Didn’t get away with it against the Cavs. Won’t get away with it against GSW. Starters will be blown out so early and their bench is so good Hornets bench won’t be able to clean up the dung created by the starters.

  • cshot

    this^^^^

  • cdblue10

    So he’s playing well and got benched again?When can he ever get a break?

  • Steppen03

    I rather JL7 plays for 76ers with 30+ min than this Hornets.

  • sws94

    I agree with you. But the clutch fans stuff has to stop. Please. It’s just silly. I’ll apologize to you for some harsh things I wrote and hopefully, you’ll see I’m on Lin’s side. But I’m not changing my comments or approach to commenting. I’m a huge Lin fan and think that in the NBA he has to do just better than others. That’s his reality and won’t change on any team. That’s why I post what I post. It’s not fair, but it’s his reality.

  • Dorothy

    Unless the anointed ones are injured 🙂

  • jeremy

    is Paul still making excuses for clifford
    and how hes pleased with the team and Lin?
    Stopped listening to him a while ago
    its just gotten very annoying

  • LinMad

    Maybe Lin should stop trying to give the franchise a reason to trade him this december

  • Promo Sports World

    Until someone gets hurt unfortunately

  • LinMad

    i hope he becomes more like Ido

  • kjch

    You missed batums turnover extravaganza.

  • cdblue10

    The only way to end this is for them to lose 5 straight games

  • cshot

    i love paul, but this is kind of getting annoying.. there’s really not much excuses left for cliff’s stupidity/bias

  • sws94

    He needs to earn his minutes in this NBA, not any ideal one. Stats or no stats, that’s how it is. We can’t change that. And most of Lin’s improvements that need to be made are in approach more than anything else.

  • Guest

    That will happen.

  • JJ Hui

    More than Linsanity will happen!

  • Promo Sports World

    Makes a lot of sense and he and Steph seem tight

  • LinJa

    I want hornets to make it to the playoffs so Lin can get Playoff experience no matter how little minutes. At some point, Lin will prove to be a nightmare matchup for the other team. It will force Cliff’s hands to put Lin in. Call me an optimist LOL!

  • your son’s voltaire

    i was thinking more with curry and green but those guys are good too lol

  • cdblue10

    He can buy out his contract but his agent need to work

  • Promo Sports World

    I’m in your camp…..moments tend to present themselves when teams are winning not losing

  • heart

    You’re still hoping on Cliff???

  • your son’s voltaire

    yup. i love the way they move the ball, passing, and uptempo style

  • jeremy

    Ido is annoying in his very own way lol

  • cdblue10

    I understand your stand but as a fan I hate to see this.

  • jeremy

    He bashed BS and McHale but why giving CLifford the benifit of the doubt lol
    hes been the worst so far

  • sws94

    FWIW, Dell talked about the bench force. And without them in the 2nd, this game is lost.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yup. he lost all respect when he has to stretch things make a point. really, there’s no reason for clifford’s poor treatment of Lin. NONE

  • cdblue10

    If they’re winning ,I doubt if we still see Lin for 10mins playing time esp if MKG is back

  • LinJa

    I will start labelling Cliff after All star break. Its still considered a new team. Sample size just isnt large enough. Every night you’re playing different teams, and have different match ups. Some people here believes Cliff is still in testing phase. So, I’m assuming this to be true until ASB.

  • JJ Hui

    I stopped listening to him more than a year now! Lol!

  • your son’s voltaire

    lol true. and i just caught the honeycomb shaped dots

  • cdblue10

    Remember Cliff has a close tie with Rockets

  • Dorothy

    To me, it is more like whoever said good things about Lin may not be trustful, but whoever said bad things about Lin is definitely not trustful.

  • Guest

    Too early to make this conclusion.

  • MoominFloren

    Saw your tweet. they will continue to do so i can guarantee

  • JJ Hui

    I’m not surprise because K n B played too many minutes!

  • sws94

    Hasbrough won’t get run and I can’t tell in this game if he is a good PnR big for Lin. But KHuang says he is. I just can’t tell from this game.

  • sws94

    I like PFV mostly. He’s an old NBA guy putting Lin into perspective and he has a cool demeanor. He staunchly believes in Lin’s game.

  • LinMad

    Batum got 33 minutes with 9 TOs while Lin gets 22 minutes with 4 assists 0 TOs.

  • sws94

    He didn’t really get bench. He was pulled with about 2 minutes left. I saw Cliff say something to him but don’t know what it was about. Would have been nice if someone here was behind the Hornets bench.

  • LinMad

    that’s the sweet talk I’m talking about. The Hornets media will put Lin on a pedestal but when it’s game time, Lin will only get limited minutes. I know everyone else sees it and acknowledges that Lin needs more minutes, but FO/Coaches have a different agenda for Lin.

  • your son’s voltaire

    he said “i don’t like the way you look” then sits him

  • LinJa

    Guys, Lin wants the hornets to win. If Hornets starts to lose, it would make him sad. What’s worse, locker room will become toxic. That’s not going to be a good environment. It’s better to have Bench Force One to continue to get the credit when Hornets win, compare it with BFO does well and Hornets lose.

  • sws94

    HIs PG play was superb today. And I think today showed that Hawes and Kam have to be more ready for his quick passes on drives. They need to practice that with him more. Just don’t assume Lin will shoot, he may pass it to you.

  • LinMad

    I don’t believe the BFO hype. It’s just another way for the Hornets PR/Media to do damage control for not playing Lin enough and giving him PG duties.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i knew there was something to the “bench force ONE”. it is the ONE that sets Lin apart from the rest. haha

  • Dorothy

    Whatever Clifford said to Lin did not make Lin happy. Look at his reaction when Batum and Kemba made the shots. It is so unlike Lin and Lin was so happy for the team win when the season first started. Not any more. Go figure yourself.

  • sws94

    Really, the spirit is right but he loses his edge when playing with good players. The idea is that he supports the main guys and doesn’t try to do too much. That’s a good team player. But he’s also capable of making huge plays himself. That’s the balancing act that will be tough to please his coach. So, he keeps going and will try to learn more of what Cliff wants. I think Cliff is open to communication and communicates well so I’m not pessimistic that Lin will find that balance.

  • LinJa

    Hope is what keeps most Lin fans following him. Without hope, we’ll stop watching. I’m hoping on Lin and Cliff to work it out.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i think Lin was pissed because he knew whatever clifford’s excuse to sit him was complete bull. Lin is a smart guy who has seen it all before

  • wu kong

    CHA vs MIL on off stats… Coach got very lucky with his choice to end the game. nothing about his choice at the end was logical.

    JLin huge impact on the game…

  • LinJa

    You don’t have to believe the media hype, the bench does do the heavy lifting with Lin on the court. This is fact.

  • sws94

    Right. So he has stop excel more. He’s a minority in this environment. He just has to excel more. It’s annoying but that’s his reality.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’m hoping he goes to the GSW next season. this season is already a lost cause to me

  • CJSHYY

    The problem is not Cliff, it’s Kemba.

  • Rick Johnson

    Better than Lakers media that trashed Lin as well as the team.

  • LinMad

    ya but that doesn’t change a thing for Lin. He’ll still be marginalized.

  • webattorney

    We all know Lin can pass, but in this game, Lin seemed to not want to shoot more.

  • Dorothy

    I don’t know about Lin wants the team win any more. When the season first started, Lin was really happy when team win even though he did not close the game. Not any more, if you saw his reaction when Batum and Kemba made the last shots. I believe Lin realized he is being lied by the coach and FO again.

  • sws94

    Then he’s done all he can do and the history of the NBA should be shamed for it. But until he’s done that, he can just forge ahead and be the best he can be.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i when lin plays with kemba, he’s literally playing as a spot up 3. notice he’s hardly ever on the weak side up top. it’s always batum or lamb. any kind of play draw up for the weak side would be for batum/lamb, NEVER lin. this has approached worst case scenario. you have the corner standing and short leash of the houston days mixed in with the paltry minutes of LA.

    GSW or bust. replace the brazilian blur with some linsanity.

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    HC’s treatment of JLin is 360 degree different from that of HC McHale and Scott, haha

  • LinMad

    Well if the team chemistry/locker room chemistry starts to die, we all know who’s fault it was. #cliffordmarginalizinglin

  • adele

    Lin is transparent. But knowing him, he will keep it to himself.

  • heart

    I feel like a broken record…. But here goes….IMO: The bar has been moved from preseason, to 10, 20, 30 and now to All-Star. Yet, each and every single time the outcome of Cliff’s mistreatment on Lin is the same. The promises to Lin have not materialized since the beginning of the season. Where’s the promise to let him play through his mistakes. Letting him play his game? Let alone close out games? Where are the consistent role and minutes? Can’t you see what’s happening? Hornets/Cliff are not letting Lin shine right nor allowing him to get great stats right now. The purpose of suppression is about All-Star Fan Vote. They can’t have Lin be voted in knowing how popular he is. With great stats, they know he will be an All-Star this year for sure. They want NB, KW or AJ (he’s hurt, now it’s Lamb) to get great stats for All-Star Coach Voting Justification and to justify their contracts/potential max offer to Batum.

  • LinMad

    this is why Lin doesn’t get 10-12 fga like he used to. He’s getting like 4-5 now.

  • your son’s voltaire

    clifford got really lucky this game. he put the game on the line to see if he can win without Lin and it failed in the past. he’s not gonna get lucky when they play against non-lottery teams like the bucks

  • LinJa

    Well I chose to believe Lin is a true team guy. He wants the team to win. He will be happy that the team won. But he is not happy with the few minutes he played.

  • Dorothy

    Yep, he will not be vocal about it, but he is transparent. Lin fans who have followed him long enough can tell by his facial/body expression.

  • Joe what do you know

    He actually does set solid screen compared to any other Hornets bigs…

  • your son’s voltaire

    we’ll probably see a verse from him soon

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I think you’re making too much excuses…Lin played very well in the second half…Play wasn’t being called for him at all…and I’m sure if he started forcing shots and that weren’t there, he would had been pulled regardless…

    The problem I saw in today’s game is the fact tha Clifford don’t even trust Lin to facilitate, eventhough Lin did a terrific job at it in the second quarter and brough the team back from a deficit and help the team build a 8 point lead by second quarter.

    Kemba is not playing close to 40 minute every night and it’s putting enormous pressure on Lin since he now has very little time to play PG.

    But even when he plays at SG, he can’t get good looks because Kemba is not really a facilitator…Kemba is a “poor’s man Allan Iverson”..A shooting guard in a point guard body, so so playing Lin alongside Kemba while expecting Lin to be able to get his shots, is nothing but a fool’s dream.

    Kemba is having a great year as for shooting, but he still does not create easy shot for his teammates.

  • Dorothy

    I think players care less about Lin being marginalized but do care injustice, unfairness in the team. Like what happens in Houston.

  • sws94

    Kemba’s minutes are expanded. So, something is going on. And when Kemba and Lin play together, Kemba will be chosen as the go-to guy. So then Lamb becomes a better choice because he’s a better shooter. Lin is a playmaker, but he’s 3rd choice in the Kemba, Batum, Lin lineup.

  • your son’s voltaire

    there should be a poll on where people thinks Lin chooses to play next season. i got the GSW

  • LinMad

    he’s just brutally honest and I like that about him

  • sws94

    But does he roll?

  • LinMad

    Lin can get paid in China big time and just give his agent a little of it.

  • heart

    That hope was in preseason. Not now.

  • LinMad

    but it is injustice, unfair to allow Batum 33 minutes on 9 TOs while Lin and other capable players get way less. They really want Batum to be the face of the Hornets but they are doing it so blindly. He’s not even a big name like Harden or Kobe so I can’t even understand why this is happening.

  • your son’s voltaire

    very good point. but also, remember the owner, Peter Guber is a huge Lin fan and he was really pissed that they waived Lin and Linsanity happened

  • CJSHYY
  • sws94

    Kemba is playing way more minutes than usual and a lot with Lin. I think that impacts 2nd half production negatively. What’s the solution? I don’t think he can sustain playing close to 40 minutes a game as he has. Why is Cliff playing Kemba so many minutes?

  • Rick Johnson

    Got lucky against a lousy team. He won’t get away with it in an above 500 team.

  • Dorothy

    Yes, that will hurt team chemistry for sure.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    unless some team offers $10m per, lin should go home and replace barbosa. it’s apparent even a crap team like hornets cant respect him. even after his mvp preseason, they started off the season with pj and didnt even allow lin a CHANCE. actions speak louder than words. cliff knows how to talk to the media etc. and that’s how he played lin. make him feel important and play someone else. give him minutes, and ask him to spot up.

  • LinMad

    to injure him so Lin can start?

  • your son’s voltaire

    so much truth in this ^

  • sws94

    I think it’s too early to say that. But if things continue like they are now, he won’t be back. I don’t see this build around Lamb. Lamb is productive, but he’s not used like Kemba and Batum are. He’s being developed in a normal way. Lin is a different type of player and he’s essential to the strong bench. But he’s supposed to be more than just the leader of the bench.

  • Dorothy

    I don’t understand, Lin is an extreme loyal person. If Hornets treated Lin right, there is a huge chance Lin would be back. So, maybe someone on the team does not want Lin to be back.

  • Lx

    LOL

  • CJSHYY

    Good point, I think Kemba just didn’t want Lin to shine & won this game for Hornets. He wanted himself to be the guy to do it not Lin. Had to make sure that OT vs King will not happen again.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yeah. i don’t exactly see the logic in it also. i don’t think clifford likes Lin at all because he loves PJ, Lamb and Batum

  • LinJa

    I’m an optimist. But I’m still pissed.

  • LinMad

    Oh look Hornets won and no post game interview by Lin. Batum with the 9 turnovers gets to though.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    funny thing is lamb is also way underutilized when playing with kemba. he looks legit every 2nd q when lin is pg, but then when kemba plays he’s a spot up shooter just like lin is. and cliff either allows this or it’s by his design. either way, it’s dumb. the bench with batum and/or marv would outplay the starters 100 out of 100 times…

  • Dorothy

    hahaha, we have seen this too many times at Lakers and Rockets.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s the way it’s… smh! Will not click for them.

  • CJSHYY

    No, in Rox & Lakers they always gave Lin interview no matter how bad his stats looked like but not Hornets. smh!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    all 9 were cringeworthy too. yet he gets to play thru and hits the big 3 at the end. it’ll never be a meritocracy, we’ve all gotta accept it…

  • heart

    I’m an optimist but a realistic one. Once I see the truth, I do what I can to expose it. No more excuses from me and move on.

  • your son’s voltaire

    love Lin’s defense, but since clifford doesn’t really reward it, i hope Lin just put enough effort on defense to cover his own guy. more effort needed in padding his stats for his next, more deserving team and coach

  • Al

    There will always be a silent hero on a team.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    cliff likes lin a lot, just doesnt respect his game.

  • Rick Johnson

    Knicks playing Rockets.Go Knicks. Only two games I root for the Knicks, against the Rockets and against the Lakers.

  • MoominFloren

    McHale 2.0?

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Kemba. I believe Hornets do want Lin back. I think Lin will not come back … Kemba allows Batum to handle the ball but not Lin when they both on court together. This is going to be a long season. smh!

  • LinMad

    agreed, I think Lin needs to play more selfishly now since Cliff doesn’t want to acknowledge him as a vital player for the team. I think Cliff may be jealous that the bench can outplay the starters if they were all given starter minutes.

  • your son’s voltaire

    disagreed. clifford is stabbing Lin in the back

  • kjch

    What about rockets vs lakers? 😉

  • MoominFloren

    Even Batum rather made a turnover instead of passing to Lin…

  • Rick Johnson

    Monroe was dominating Hawes. It was only when Lin or Lamb would come in to help and double team Monroe could Hawes control him.

  • Steppen03

    I disagree greatly. What train has passed ?? Other stars’ maybe… Not Lin. I still have great faith in Lin. He’s young. He’s like Nash, more skilled as seasons past. His true abilities will shine and a team would make him a Starter for their franchise and he will have a marvelous run that prove people wrong All Over Again.

  • TTNN

    yeah, he called for the ball and just turn it over……

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I didn’t see Kemba passed any ball to Lin in early 4Q, he rather passed to Kaminsky or missed shot but Lin…. smh!

  • your son’s voltaire

    yup. clifford is playing politics not coaching. there’s no point in trying to appease clifford anymore. if he’s gonna stab your back anyway, why carry his load for him?

  • Rick Johnson

    Oh that’s a tough one. I guess for the Lakers to win as that would devastate CF’s. Then Lakers can lose all the rest of their games without any additional encouragement.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Clifford simply don’t trust Lin..Some of that has to do with Lin’s high turnover rate…But I though Lin was facilitating well today, so why not let Kemba sit on the bench for longer?

    Also, it could be that they want Kemba to play as much minute as possible to pad his stats so he can make the all-star…The all-star game is in Charlotte this year and Kemba needs to beat out guys like Wall, Teague, Lowry.

    Another possibility is they probably don’t want Jeremy to have decent stats so he can get good offer from other team….The goal may be to try hard to supress Lin’s statistic to be under 10ppg…If Lin gets worst stats than in L.A, he will probably be forced to accept another low-ball deal…at this point, the Hornets will ask him to simply pick up the option for the second year.

    Of course, even if Lin can’t get better offer than he got with Charlotte, he should still leave Charlotte because he doesn’t get to play much.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    remember how cliff asked pj to be a defensive stopper? i think he thinks the same of lin. put him in for defense, maybe a lil offense. bench got the lead? put crappy starters back in for the glory… win and its the starters, lose and it was a tough/close game. starter’s +/- all -? +/- is a bad stat….

    everything is illogical. so it must be political. i guarantee when all star talk arrives, there will be a push to put kemba’s better stats as the reason for this teams success. then batum, then lamb. heck frank will be a reason before lin…. it is what it is….

  • CJSHYY

    Needs Rox to loss to cheer me up. So upset after today’s game. smh!

  • your son’s voltaire

    the only difference is PJ doesn’t exactly play good defense. so, clifford was just saying that to PJ because he loves PJ and let’s him start. or maybe clifford knows that MJ loves PJ. but anyway, like you say, it’s all politics

  • CJSHYY

    Lamb, Batum are not the problem. Kemba is. Now I know why Session & Mo didn’t stay…

  • LinMad

    thing is Lin probably has a better chance making all star on 15 minutes than Kemba, Batum or Lamb at 30+ minutes per game

  • InfiniteWisdom

    the push for kemba all star is real. he’ll get in just to appease local fans anyways but they will showcase him as much as possible to not make it look bad.

  • Rick Johnson

    Bobby Marks‏@BobbyMarks42

    With CHA tough stretch of 5 games (GSW,CHI,DET,MIA and MEM) possibly without Al. Lamb/Lin duo proving to be early 6th man candidates.

    https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/671089262188711937

    Bobby Marks
    @BobbyMarks42
    20 Years with the Nets, 2010-15 Asst GM 40 Under 40 Crain’s Business New York

  • LinJa

    I have more patience, I see what you see.

  • webattorney

    Duh . . . Too obvious.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    cliff likes lin as a person i meant. hates his bball game.

  • CJSHYY

    I am sure they knew Lin was not happy… he will not stay ….

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/671088490013196290

  • LinJa

    happened with Cavs already.

  • LinMad

    I heard Batum’s 9 TOs converted to 16 points by the Bucks or something.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i like Nathan, he tells it like it is

  • heart

    That’s why opinions are easily manipulated from ill-informed or misinformed fans and fans at-large who only give credence to Coach’s decision and don’t carefully examine the politics behind his decision.

  • CJSHYY

    It will not be Lin. His stats is bad. 6th man … Wrong # for Lin, it’s 9 man.

  • LinJa

    And the hornet’s bench outscored bucks’ bench 35-15. Hence the close closeout.

  • LinMad

    The only player I see in Lin’s way is Batum. I think Batum has something against Lin.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Can you please stop with all this “Lin to GSW” rhetorics..Lin has stated he wants bigger role….What part can’t you get when Lin says he wants a bigger role?…Do you think playing 12 minute per game is big enough for Lin…If you think so, than you think very little of Lin,

    It really angers me when I see supposed Lin fan wanting him to go play with GSW….Lin is 27…He’s good enough to get 25 minutes…He’s at the very least, a high end back-up point guard and under the right coach, he could be a starter that could average 15ppg and 7assist……Why would anyone want Lin’s career to go die playing for GSW?

    Please, enough of the “Lin to GSW”…Lin can chase rings when he’s 32…Now, he has to seek playing time so that he can get better as a player…I still haven’t lost all hope that Lin could improve enough to become a starting caliber PG and possibly an all-star.

    Playing for GSW would end all these dreams.

  • CJSHYY

    He cares about small details bc he’s a writer.

  • webattorney

    If Lin is not smiling, Tyler should be crying or fuming. Lol Tyler had good impact on the game with his 3 minutes of PT. Impressed. The guy should get about 5 minutes of PT every game for tough D when the opponents are tired out.

  • Rick Johnson

    Yeah team high points. He’s also -9 +/- as opposed to Lin who was +10. If not for Lin he’d have >30 points and Hornets would have lost.

    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671085874713485312

  • your son’s voltaire

    yup. and the funny thing is that all of the hornets fans believe what clifford feed them just like how the rockets fans believed the lies mchale told them. PJ has never played good defense in the past and the stats supports this

  • jeremy

    Starting to like this guy now

  • InfiniteWisdom

    anybody notice how once al got hurt, cliff put hawes in? zeller hadn’t played many min at that point. what was he doing? saving the better player for the starters and sabotaging the 2nd unit with the craptastic hawes…. lucky for us psycho t got some min in the second half…

  • CJSHYY

    Batum? How?

  • LinMad

    wasn’t Zeller kind of injured before this game?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    it boggles the mind…

  • LinJa

    NBA star making.

  • webattorney

    I have NO idea whey Tyler doesn’t get 5 minutes per game.

  • CJSHYY

    Foul

  • heart

    So the game was already won when Lin was pulled. Cliff left KW, NB, Lamb in for their stats and glory. KW not once passed to Lin in this late stretch. If Cliff, KW and NB are going to be like that from now on, I’d rather NOT have Lin played and do their dirty work for them. Let’s see if they can truly win by themselves without him!

  • LinMad

    that’s what I’m talking about!

  • Singapore BB Fan

    After Batum hits a 3pointer at 45sec on the clock…all his “sins” were forgotten. suddenly he became the savior of the day!
    When the media labelled JLin a turnover machine…it sticks with him forever.

  • LinMad

    Cause when Lin is on the floor it’s either Kemba or Batum controlling the court. I think Kemba has the right cause he’s been with the team and he is a PG. However, Batum is new to the team and he’s trying to take everyone’s role.

  • occupatio

    yup. missed two shots at the end but didnt force it. he had a good game, especially 2nd quarter to save the starters.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    pj is ok. not a stopper but he tries. you can tell he really does try. anyways, the point is that lin plays exactly like pj. all out defense and get a shot or 2 when you can on offense. ONLY in the 2nd q when kemba has to rest does lin come alive. and lo and behold, the bench is GREAT. but in the 4th q, we cant have the bench play too much, starters no matter how bad they played need their minutes and stats… all politics…

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Big Deal, Hornet!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    and the 2nd chicago game

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I don’t believe Clifford ever promised to Lin he will close…But I’m pretty sure Lin was under the impression he’d play a bit more than what he’s currently playing.

    For the most part, Lin believed he would at least be allowed to facilitate while Kemba is resting for about 15 minutes…Now that Kemba is playing close to 40, Lin can’t even get enough time as PG…and when He plays SG, he doesn’t get enough touches because Kemba is too busy creating for himself.

  • Steppen03

    Hellooo, fellow JL7 fans,
    I’m just as distraught as you guys…. Bull Crap: “biggest acquisition of the season.”
    Just hang in there, be by JL7’s sides and fight this battle with him. It’s NOT over.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin was pulled out when Hornets won by 2. I guess Cliff knew Kemba wouldn’t pass the ball to Lin in late 4Q so he put Lamb in. As for Batum, it’s like set up, he’s the one who always took the last shot (replace Kemba)

  • Singapore BB Fan

    What has Hans contributed so far?

  • kittyhead

    But you know no one cares about his turnovers bc he isn’t an Asian guy.

  • LinMad

    we’ve been doing it for years. Lin will either leave Hornets or the Hornets will have to give him a fair shot if they want to keep him, his viewers, his fans, his money/popularity, his skills, etc. The less they play Lin or the more unfair they are to Lin, the more backlash Hornets will have to face. It doesn’t matter if they win or lose.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I shall wait till JLin shares his feelings and thoughts in Taiwan after this season….usually he will be more open …

  • Rick Johnson

    MJ was just pandering to Chinese media.

  • Joe what do you know

    Not effectively from my observation. But neither were any of other Hornets big men. Tyler is still yet to find his way to more on-court experience so he plays more freely and instinctively. I have a feeling he’s movement will improve with more court time and less nerve…

  • LinMad

    looks taht way now. Before I thought he really supported Lin cause I remember Cliff played him very low minutes and the next day when MJ was sitting on courtside, I think Lin got to play a lot of minutes. But then, I think it had to do with Kemba getting injured.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I agree with you here…sws94 seems to put too much blame on him by demanding that he start forcing shots…When Lin starts doing that, that’s when the turnovers starts pilling up…He can’t really start forcing shots that arent there…..Cliff would just use it as an excuse to pull him even earlier and accuse him of being selfish.

    Clifford needs to run play for him..The problem is that when Lin plays SG, plays aren’t being called for him and Kemba is not really the type of PG that get easy shots for his teammates….So Lin is playing worst as a SG than as a PG…At least, when he’s PG, he has the ball in his hand and can call PnR and look for a shot through this.

    But Lin barely gets time at PG since Kemba now plays 40minute during the past 3-4 games.

  • heart

    It felt like NB was set up to be the hero in this game. All his TOs were overlooked by Cliff and still got set plays to get his scoring up. He was allowed to play through his mistakes. With Cliff’s long leash/trust that’s why NB was able to pull off that 3 to extend the lead. If that 3 didn’t go in, it would have been an ill-advised attempt in the last moment of the game when they still have the lead. To me that shows low bb IQ once again and he got lucky!

  • your son’s voltaire

    i don’t think you realize what is happening to Lin RIGHT NOW IN CHARLOTTE

  • Rick Johnson

    He does pick up fouls very quickly. Wish we could see some Hansbrough, JLin PnR. Perhaps with Jefferson out we could see it. I don’t think he will do well against Ezeli though. Maybe after GSW game.

  • LinMad

    Sometimes I wish the comments here were all posted on Twitter or something. That would create so much chaos for Hornets. Just imagine if allt he comments from here and the other jlin fan site was shared on Twitter.

  • kauaiblue

    No. Screw hornets.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Nathan and Ido got our back 😉

  • Rick Johnson

    No, it’s better to keep these comments here. Would create a lot of backlash from Hornets fans.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    It’s Home game…Hornets needs to showcase their Starters (Kemba, Batum and JLame)

  • your son’s voltaire

    that’s fine. Lin is leaving them next season anyway

  • Rick Johnson

    They are always showcasing them no matter where they play.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    do you not realize there is literally no coach, no gm, no team willing to give lin true opportunity? cliff WAS the “right coach” lin literally said it himself. but actions speak louder than words. cliff said he knew how to use lin, and yet every game he stands in the corner, not on the wing like a 2, but literally in the corner like a 3 or stretch 4. how is that using him correctly? look at lin’s face on the bench. the joy is gone. even a week or so ago he looked ok, but now he’s realized the truth.

    at least on GSW 1.) he’s home 2.) he’s on a true contender 3.) he may get the same 15 minutes on a championship team 4.) he can make the most of whatever minutes he does get, ie play pg and not in the corner. 5.) all eyes on this team, so people will see he’s a damn good player 6.) he’s a talent augmenter, he will make people like ezeli look good and assist good players like iggy 7.) the faster style suits his game

  • LinJa

    I want Lin to get 10pts and 10ast. I think Lin is trying to get AST more that PTS. He has become a pass first PG more and more each year it seems. Commentators has stated that Lin has impacted the game through Hockey assists. Every time I see Lin pull the run around under the basket, it screws the defensive rotation. Two passes after that stunt, a basket made.

  • Spot

    Time for Jeremy’s agents to start move him or something. Sixers are without a PG, problem is they don’t want to win probably.

    Or we should hope for a miracle next year. At least Lakers used Jeremy to pad stats…

  • LinMad

    In fact, the times Lin actually got most minutes were from home games and it’s not much either. They know Lin is a crowd favorite. On the road, Lin had 15-17 min games. But recently, it’s starting to look like Lin is getting less minutes at home too.

  • sws94

    I don’t think it is to deny Lin, Kemba will get his anyway. So, for Kemba to pad his stats sounds feasible to me.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    This image is so so so so deceiving…hornet PR is so so so deceitful…

  • LinJa

    I agree with Zcode, I don’t want Lin fade further into the background in GSW. Its as simple as that. Lin is impactful of the bench, in Hornet’s world, no one can deny Lin’s impact on the bench. Unfortunately it doesn’t translate to more minute.

  • LinMad

    Well we got to speak our mind so they all know. Some Hornets fans might side with us and agree that Lin is being marginalized.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lin also led the lakers to having the best bench in the nba for a while. it’s no coincidence this bench force 1 thing exists, yet no one except us will care. the crappy starters will get all the credit for the wins…

  • sws94

    That’s what surprised me about this Hornets decision by Lin. I never knew of them to have a PnR player. Zeller seems the closest thing to it.

  • Rick Johnson

    Will happen with GSW and Bulls next.

  • LinJa

    Hopefully, Lin will be played and be the impact player.

  • Guest

    lin was acquired for business purpose. They put him on marketing. MJ is a good businessman.

  • your son’s voltaire

    just 2 minutes left and clifford pulls Lin and tells him some sorry excuse. no wonder Lin doesn’t look happy. got stabbed in the back

  • LinJa

    Also, best backcourt duo in the east is Lin/Lamb LOL!

  • CJSHYY

    Really? I didn’t see that.

  • wandertheglobe

    Short of playing for MDA, I don’t think we’ll ever see Linsanity again. Charlotte has found their SG in Lamb. They value Lin as back up to Kemba. If Lin is not happy with his role, he’ll definitely look elsewhere next season.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    and even if lin gets to touch the ball, what can he do from the corner? he’s not even on the wing. that honor goes to batum/lamb… it’s clear as day for me. just look at the sets. lin is in no position to succeed.

  • selflin

    Bucks win 3 out of 4 Q, but the difference was already made in the 2 Q by the bench with Lin! Bench bails out the 1st unit!

  • your son’s voltaire

    just before he sat Lin, he pulled him to the sidelines and made some kind of lame motion as to say Lin should or should not do something

  • cdblue10

    If we’ll see him close the 4th from now on,it means that someone got injured

  • LinJa

    The story of the Hornets, every game this season.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    but he played when it mattered, with the starters. cliff couldnt let the 2nd unit keep the best big. had to trot hawes out there…

  • LinMad

    I hope the team chemistry and locker room chemistry will become…

    http://arleneaugust.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/toxic.jpg

    due to unfair treatment of Lin

  • InfiniteWisdom

    what opportunity has he got? none.

  • CJSHYY

    They tried to keep Batum & he maybe said Yes so he got the green light for everything on court. But not Lin … that’s why he’s to be the last player to come in…. Batum just the one who took the last shot for the team now…. I guess this game it’s for Kemba.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    well at least he’s active right?

  • heart

    No. IMO, the template was rolled out by Rox. Copied by Lakers and perfecting and continuing by Hornets.

  • wandertheglobe

    Before being taken out, I thought Lin was overpassing and not taking shots as the 24 secs clock was winding down. I wish he would have drive or take the shot when the ball was in his hands. I guess, Lin wants to promote team ball.

  • selflin

    Jlin will get his nights, also he can’t play every game well!! Just be ready and win!!!

  • bolero

    Lin should have shot the ball..he was open..but hesitated and passed..

  • CJSHYY

    I see. I will check LP video again.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yeah, he should have been more aggressive but that was no reason to bench him

  • bolero

    exactly. passed too much..

  • heart

    The last shot is reserved between those two tonight.

  • CJSHYY

    I know… Why they didn’t give him more chance to take the shot?

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    So it makes sense for him to be happy under 12 minute sitting on GSW bench as opposed to playing at least 20-22 minutes for Charlotte?

    Lin, himself, stated he declined to play for GSW because he would be of no importance to this team…I doubt going back home to be a 12 mpg guy, would make him happier than Charlotte.

    Frankly, I’d rather he stays with the Hornets than play for GSW….There’s always a chance Kemba could revert back to his 37% career FG which could lead to losing games and Lin could be given a chance…

    With GSW, Lin will be buried deep on the bench..He’d simply be Curry water boy..The guy who bring gatorade cup for Curry so he can drink..LOL

    NO ONE SHOULD THRIVE TO BE CURRY’S BACK-UP…YOU KNOW YOUR CAREER IS FINISH IF YOU BACK UP CURRY…THIS IS WHY ONLY OLD POINT GUARD AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER CHOOSE TO BACK CURRY.

  • LinMad

    sometimes I wish Lin yelled back at the coach kind of like how Al did earlier this season. It will blow up all over the press/media

  • heart

    So what happened to AJ now. Any news from his injury? Is he ok?

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! This team ball theory really killed him from team to team … really no comment on that… smh!

  • your son’s voltaire

    it’s like clifford was trying to find some sorry excuse to bench Lin but Lin doesn’t like to force shots unless the shot clock was winding down

  • LinMad

    I think he passed to Batum a lot cause he wanted to see Batum airball or get a TO since he is the franchise star.

  • wandertheglobe

    Agreed. I think that’s Lin’s attitude. But his fans have different expectations of him….They want Lin to be Curry every night.

  • sws94

    That may be what the coach didn’t like. I don’t know why he hesitates at time. He’s better off just doing and letting his will take over.

  • LinMad

    or they finally acknowledge that Lin fans are angry and hurting the franchise

  • your son’s voltaire

    yup. Al seemed to got better treatment after that. Lin should piss on clifford’s fire-hydron

  • LinMad

    I think he will be out a few days, taking MRI

  • bolero

    lol

  • CJSHYY

    I guess he was not assigned to have O that’s why…

  • sws94

    Exactly. Look, Lin played a terrific game but didn’t look to do much in the last few minutes on with Kemba and Batum. Maybe that displeased Clifford. Really, putting in Lamb for some shooting wasn’t so terrible and they won the game. It’s not that big of a deal to me. Lin was terrific this game.

  • LinMad

    I heard that Lin can buyout his contract. How is that done? If he buys out his contract he can go to another team?

  • heart

    Don’t you know that Lin is only used for his D instead of his O when he gets to play in the 4th? Defense is his designated duty during 4th or crunch time when he gets to play. Observe closely and you’ll see…

  • your son’s voltaire

    c’mon you’re always making excuses for clifford’s horrible treatment of Lin

  • CJSHYY

    I wish.

  • Steppen03

    At this point, I want my fav team GS to blow the Hornets out of building by 20+ points!! Let’s GO, WARRIORS! KW & NB gonna have most PT anyway…

  • sws94

    6th or 7th. There’s no real 6th man emerging yet and may not be one.

  • golfhacker

    I think next year Lin should just go to whatever team lets him be their starting PG (assuming there will be such a team and THAT is a big if). Lin’s strengths are not shooting guard requisites. Lin’s strengths are distributing the ball, attacking the basket and controlling the tempo. He NEEDS the ball in his hand.

    Jeremy cannot create his own jump shot. He is a catch and shoot guy or shoots coming off a screen. He can’t shoot off the dribble. He doesn’t go straight up vertically to shoot over defenders (please don’t try to refute that by using his fadeaways as an example).

    He’s been mired in bad systems for four years now. He should forget about fitting in or even looking for a contending team. A contending team likely already has its core in place, so where is Jeremy going to fit in? How much time is he going to get? Jeremy will be 28 yrs old I think. He’s got to find a team where he gets MINUTES AS A STARTER. I don’t care how bad the team is. That is the ONLY situation where he can display his true value.

  • CJSHYY

    They will don’t worry. They are really good now. Better than last season.

  • sws94

    whatever, I’m tired of you and other’s whining. Clifford is the coach and holds Lin to a different standard than others. My stating that is not giving an excuse, it’s stating it. So drop it already.

  • your son’s voltaire

    teams can buyout a player’s contract but it wouldn’t make sense for the hornets to buyout Lin’s since he’s only getting paid $2 Mil and is a very productive part of the roster. teams normally buy out much larger contracts of players they have absolutely no use for. that way they get more cap room for trades and what not

  • InfiniteWisdom

    obviously things can still turn around, but im under the assumption that this will continue all season. if that’s the case, then 15 minutes for GSW is worth more than 20 minutes standing in the corner for hornets. yes lin THOUGHT that he’d have more opportunity in charlotte. cliff TOLD him that. but do you SEE it right now? cant say what happens in the future, but if this continues, where’s the opportunity?

    being curry’s back up is no insult. standing in the corner for kemba IS…

  • wandertheglobe

    This. It’s a learning process for Lin, Cliff and the Hornets, it’s still early in the season. I’m pleasantly surprised how fast they have gelled given the short amount of time they have played together. If the Hornets keep this up, they will probably make the playoffs as a 6th seed.

  • sws94

    Even with MDA nothing is guaranteed. It depends on the players and organizations. It’s not like Steve Nash got to play his game with the Lakers, did he?

  • sws94

    He can create his own jump shot. He needs to be in the offensive flow more. But, well, he’s working at creating his own jump shot and making it with regularity.

  • sws94

    Do you think Lin’s role will expand? I think it might, but I don’t get playing Kemba so much. Takes too much playing time away from Lin as PG? And it’s happening in the 3rd/4th quarter more and more,.

  • Steppen03

    I’m supporting JL7 & his team Only if the team is being fair to JL7. Besides, I only want the Hornets lose to GS and no others. GS is my fav team, Not Hornets.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’m not whining. i’m telling it as it is. but you’re making excuses

  • bolero

    be nice we have some visitors.. lol

  • wandertheglobe

    Yes. Agreed. Everything has to be aligned for Linsanity to happen again. But given the lead role and playing MDA offense, Lin will excel. New Orleans has no PG to lead that offense. Lin would be a great fit.

  • sws94

    I’m not and let’s stop with this stupid game. I’m saying what Cliff wants to see from Lin and that’s all. I don’t agree with Cliff at all, but it is what it is and Lin has to make the adjustments. Also, sometimes Lin doesn’t do everything right on the court and he’s not treated like other players. But whining about it doesn’t help. Lin giving them what they want is the solution to him getting chances .That’s what PFV has been saying and at least Cliff wants him to shoot and playmaker rather than just pass and play defense like Byron did.

  • Joe what do you know

    Man…. Yes the situation is far from ideal. The treatment of Lin is appalling. But what is there to be gained for both us fans and Jeremy himself the way we are b-itching and moaning, SPECULATING what’s going through each players or coaches mind purely based on their facial expression, then making it into a little role play scenario? Heck, just by looking at Jack Nicholson’s face I will think he’s always plotting to kill some random guy on the street….

    This forum has become so filled with dark, negative, pessimistic rants. When negative emotions gather together it will only form bigger gloom, and that will somehow find its way to affect Lin because this website is one of his dedicated fan website…

    I mean no personal attack on any individuals, but rather is wanting a collective effort from all of us to channel more positivity to combat this ever growing dark energy looming this forum. It’s perfectly OK to express what you think, but before you hit the “post” button, take a deep breath and think whether if you’re still filled with anger after typing the negative rant. And please also try to tone down your words so they don’t appear to be so negative.

    Please, every effort counts. Let’s bring more positivity to this forum and Jeremy.

  • selflin

    Jlin will SHINE in big games against the Warriors!!! But if Cliff pulls him out when he is hot in 4th Q, then we know more…don’t worry.

  • your son’s voltaire

    that’s the problem. you’re listening to PFV who is making excuses for clifford. plus, you don’t know what clifford wants from Lin. so in fact, you’re making things up

  • sws94

    How’s the coach though? I’d love Lin with Davis. Another Davis and different player but he could PnR well with Davis with his quickness and athleticism and funnel guys to Davis all day. But, Lin’s with Charlotte now and still the season is young. I hope things work out in Charlotte because I’m weary of all the different teams for one. But if Lin needs to change, I support it 100 percent. We’ll have more info as the season progresses.

  • bolero

    not cool. It will affect JLin too..

  • heart

    That poster profile has blank screen… Be ware…. He appears and disappears several times.

  • wandertheglobe

    It hard to say what Cliff is thinking. They have invested heavily in Kemba. Unless Kemba gets injured, I don’t see Lin playing more than 20-25 mins/game. Now that Lamb has shown what he can do (and the big contract), he’ll cut into Lin’s minutes at SG. Prior to the season start, I thought, Lin would get around 28 mins at PG & SG. But now, his main minutes are as Kemba’s backup, his role is definitely reduced.

  • sws94

    OK.

  • your son’s voltaire

    only for 1 year. it’s already toxic for Lin anyway

  • CJSHYY

    Lin will not stay for sure.

  • sws94

    He’s playing alongside Kemba a lot. Lamb is proving he plays best with Lin. He’s not as effective with the others. Clifford seems to be sticking with the 2 PGs but Lin is not playing as a PG. He doesn’t alternate with Kemba and that’s the biggest problem with me. He needs more touches and both he and Clifford need to see to that.

  • Briiick

    I won’t watch Hornets’ game unless they play against a good team, which is the only opportunity Lin could be unleashed. And I suspect Hornets to follow the path of Rox and LAL after Lin leaves.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    the entire bench needs more minutes.

  • sws94

    PFV isn’t making excuses either. PFV is a realist that knows that coaches rule and players have to please them. If you don’t accept that, like it or not, then you may never accept Lin anywhere. Both PFV and I have said we don’t agree with Cliff on everything and we say where we think he’s fair. Anyway, I don’t feel like defending myself anymore and won’t. But maybe deal with the fact that not everyone sees Clifford here the same way,.

  • LinMad

    i doubt Cliff will allow Lin to tear up the Warriors. I predict some lousy minutes first half like 5 minutes so Lin does not get in the rhythm for second half. Then that gives coach a reason to yank Lin out in the 2nd half early when he misses shots or gets TOs.

  • wandertheglobe

    Yeah, I don’t know much about Gentry other than from reading “7 seconds or less” book about MDA and PHX record breaking season. Gentry is MDA protege, so his offense is MDA’s style. The problem is the Pelicans have no PG to lead the offense, that’s why they are doing so poorly. Lin would be a perfect fit for that team.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well, he isn’t much of a realist when he has to stretch to find a reason for clifford to bench Lin now is he?

  • LinMad

    ugh, Paul…I like him when we’re winning and Lin gets treated somewhat fairly but not today…

    https://twitter.com/CNM_JLin_Vids/status/671075871789334528

  • InfiniteWisdom

    one thing to look for going forward is to see if kemba starts the 4th. if no, then that means bench force 1 with lin as pg gets to play. if yes, then look for lin to stand in the corner. kemba will need some rest eventually, but he will undoubtedly close out so look or lamb to finish and lin once again go to the bench.

    lin is no longer mr 4th quarter. he’s not allowed to do anything but stand in the corner these recent 4th quarters. lin is now mr 2nd quarter. thats the ONLY time he’s guaranteed to be pg nowadays…

  • wandertheglobe

    Lin and Kemba are both ball dominant PGs. In an ideal world, Cliff would allow the 2-head monsters attacking. But, so far, other than in the pre-season, when Lin is playing along Kemba, he’s staying in the corner which is not his strength. Kemba and Batum taking turn to be 1st and 2nd option. They have the green light to shoot as they pleased.

    Lamb is definitely benefiting from Lin’s playing making ability. Lots of Lamb’s successes so far is because of Lin drawing attention and leaving Lamb with open looks.

  • Dan Cohen

    I’ve been saying your first sentence since when linawasaindalakers..

  • Spot

    I see your point. You’re right. But when someone played you for fool it’s hard to contain anger.

    Better move on now… Hopefully Jeremy will have another chance somewhere. This team will fall apart when he will leave.

  • LinMad

    “Jeremy Lin had a nice performance despite missing a couple open shots, helping to move the ball, especially late in the first quarter when the Hornets faced their biggest deficit of the game. He’ll need to start shooting more efficiently for him to warrant extra playing time (without an injury to a backcourt player), but the second unit has been ganging up on opposing teams all year, and Lin’s a big reason why.” – ATH

    I disagree. If you’re only making 4 field goal attempts, 3 misses is nothing when you are going to the line and scoring 100% free throws, defending well and making more assists than the PG who got 40 minutes in about half the time.

  • Spot

    It will happen.

  • jeremy

    good
    well deserved

  • jeremy

    who said that

  • golfhacker

    Being in the offensive flow would help, but there are possessions where he literally doesn’t touch the ball at all.

  • Rick Johnson

    If Cliff restricts Lin’s minutes the GSW are going to massacre the Hornets bench. I’m hoping Hornets will be 20 points behind before Cliff puts Lin in.

  • heart

    That’s why Hornets wins don’t necessarily benefit Lin. Some people are dazed by Hornets wins clouding their judgement by overlooking the implication of Lin’s plight.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    yeap…saw that….”don’t you dare outshine the head of the snake”

  • golfhacker

    And the owners are laughing all the way to the bank.

  • LinMad

    an article on ATH

  • heart

    yep.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    bingo. if lamb were truly as talented as the homer fans make him out to be then why does he suck so much next to kemba? could it be lin makes him better? homer fans will never admit that which is obvious…

  • LinMad

    ya I don’t really care about today’s win when I know Lin was unfairly benched.

  • Steppen03

    At this point, JL7’s PT won’t increase by much – and he’s behind NB, KW, and Lamb. It’s highly unlikely that CCliff will let JL7 be the savior of games. If CCliff dont let him play his game against average teams then why would he let him against good teams (a look back at the Cavs game, Bulls, Heat).

  • LinJa

    That assessment is cherry-picking Lin’s performance. Its hypocritical considering many other players playing with much less efficiency than him from many angles. Go find another PG with Lin’s production in the same minutes. Same minutes with BENCH on top of that.

  • LinMad

    Something tells me Cliff might allow Kemba to play 40 minutes like he did today and Lin will 20 minutes or less where half his minutes will be on the floor with Kemba and Batum so he’ll just be standing in the corner for 10 minutes. I think Cliff will try to use Lin as a defensive stopper but GSW will still score a lot of buckets.

  • Joe what do you know

    I do understand where all angry Lin fans are coming from. If I was younger and hadn’t gone through what I’d been through all these years, I’d probably be the one fuming like there’s no tomorrow…

    But you just said “when someone plays you for fool…”. Well that “you” you’re talking about is actually Jeremy, not us fans. So if anyone should be all fired up ready to pout, it should be him. But he’s not doing it. Whatever the reason for him being so calm and collected, I’m sure it’s because he wants to be that way in public eyes and be perceived as such. So for him to be so well mannered and professional about things, us fans acting opposite the way he chosed to be, it really is hindering his efforts. That’s the way I look at these things.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I bet it will be JLin’s image if the MiL had won….

  • InfiniteWisdom

    forget about being benched. how about all those minutes spent languishing away in the corner… im starting to enjoy watching his defense. on offense he’s not even a second thought, he’s a last resort…

  • LinJa

    What’s worse is that Lin might be pulled when Lin is actually HOT. That’s my worst fear.

  • Spot

    Don’t worry, next time Jeremy will play 30 minutes they will lose and will have their scapegoat and will show other: look, when Lin is in, we lose.

    This team will fall apart when Jeremy will leave. They barely beat the Bucks.

  • LinMad

    ya if it wasn’t for Lin playing main PG while Kemba/Batum was sitting on bench in 2nd qtr, we would have lost. That 2nd qtr was the reason we won.

  • jeremy

    good recognition by them

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yep. not much of a prediction if u ask me. kemba has to be the savior. if they’re down a lot, lin wont even play late. cliff will wave the white flag with roberts instead….

  • Spot

    Agree. It’s his life, not mine. It’s up to him and his agents.

    But as basketball point of view, seeing all those talents wasted, it’s frustrating.

    Anyway I will always keep the faith. Somewhere, somehow, we will see another Jeremy Lin team. And it’ll be better than Linsanity.

  • LinMad

    ya, i just dont like how they compliment lin and also bag on him for something so small.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i pay good money to watch lin on LP. standing in the corner all game IS fooling me as well. we suffer with him…

  • Spot

    Clifford is a bad coach. They just want to run motion offence but ball doesn’t move.

    Nets, for example, can’t lose games. They must do something cause their first pick belongs to Boston. And it’s unprotected.

  • TTNN

    no, it still benefits that if the team goes to play off, Lin might got chance to play further…..

  • Spot

    I didn’t think about that. Good point. I wanted to get LP too but didn’t get cause games are on night in Italy.

    Thank God I saved money for the jersey

  • Steppen03

    The Cavs game told me a lot about Lin’s PT from now on… I don’t believe my fellow JL7 fans before (against Bulls, Heat, others) but at some point I have to admit to “the truth.” JL7 can’t be a savior for this Hornets team – he’s on a short leash, hands are tied. How can JL7 be a “Steph Curry” in 20min role ?? No set plays, not PG role…

  • Joe what do you know

    Yes. Frustrated I am too. Though I choose to vent my frustration by hitting some golf balls or go play a pick up game somewhere near me.

    I too is waiting for a promised land… And Lin is my Moses, leading us fans to this land filled with milk and honey. But I’m not gonna lose faith in him like some Jews losing their faith in Moses after wandering all these years in the desert without an end in sight… Lin will get there, eventually

  • InfiniteWisdom

    homer fans are physically incapable of such compliments…

  • wu kong

    FWIW lineups from tonight’s game:

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t click for them…

  • LinMad

    In today’s post game interview, Clifford mentioned MDA. He also mentioned Hawes, Tyler and Lamb having great games off the bench. No mention of Lin.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yes! i also didnt want to buy into it, but its no longer a game or two, its a trend. even the kings OT performance happened only because they gameplanned to force the ball out of kemba’s hands. if not he’d be in the corner…

  • LinMad

    what is FWIW?

  • Spot

    Good example 🙂

    I just wanted to show what the real Clifford is. A liar. Since first season game.

    Hopefully Jeremy will jump off this wagon sooner. That’s it.

  • LinJa

    For What Its Worth

  • CJSHYY

    I like Paul but I don’t necessary agree what he said every time…

  • LinMad

    Lin without Kemba or Batum is top 2 line ups.

  • Spot

    I don’t care what he says. He’s just a liar.

  • George Livingston

    I disagree..I think he’s just trying to stay positive despite the circumstances. He’s been a huge Lin fan.

  • Rick Johnson

    Paul is good when you feel bad about JLin he always see’s something good. Gets you through the bad times of which there have been many.

  • sws94

    Lin, from the pre-season, was being geared up not to play PG all that much. Remember in pre-season when he was not playing point guard with Roberts? Lin played well in preseason, so we didn’t care and were filled with optimism. But he didn’t play that much PG.

    Here’s the thing in my opinion. Kemba can’t play off guard role that well. Batum has shown that he can. Batum is the other facilitator with Kemba and there’s decent chemistry. For Lin to play the minutes we desire, he’ll not be playing PG that much. He’ll be another guard in with Kemba while Kemba is the main ball handler. And Kemba and Lin’s on-court chemistry is slow to develop. Even if he gets minutes, he may not have the touches we’d like to see and therefore scoring/assists.

    Lin’s role with Kemba is to be like Batum, another playmaker/scorer when the game presents it. It’s not to be PJ. If he seems like all he’s doing is getting the ball and sending it to Batum or Kemba, and not looking to get it to a shooter or score, Cliff may not stay with him. Whether he does or not may depend on the matchups and situations.

    Now, Clifford may pull him anyway regardless, I’m not sure. But I think Kemba’s inability to play off-ball well makes Lin have to become an in-motion, go-to-the-ball player when he’s in. I think today Batum struggled so much with his passing, that Lin needed to do more while in there so Batum wouldn’t just make another TO.

    But anyway, look for Lin to not play that much PG, especially now that Kemba is getting more PT.

  • Dorothy

    Clifford must know many Lin fans are not happy about the way he uses Lin and trying to justify it. We have seen so much before at Rox and Lakers. Nothing is new to us, Lin fan LOL

  • InfiniteWisdom

    that still doesnt explain how he’s not on the weak side wing, but is in the strong side corner. he plays like a 3 while batum/lamb is the 2. ONLY in the 2nd q do we see linsanity…. if that’s his role so be it….

  • Spot

    Without Jeremy this team would’ve been crap like last years.

    It’s cause Jeremy plays his heart out that makes them win games.

  • occupatio

    wu kong, i think parsing lineup data makes it unnecessarily complicated, and right now its too small a size to make fine-grained conclusions about 5-man lineups.

    here are 4 simple numbers to make the same pt.

    Net Rating across quarters, for the season so far according to NBA.com
    1Q: +1.7
    2Q: +15.4
    3Q: -10.5
    4Q: +10.3

    The 1Q and 3Q are pretty much the starters. Lin plays the most in the 2nd Q, and has varying playtime in the 4th.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Kemba is not allow Lin to be another facilitator when they both on court. Lin is not allow to handle the ball & run O. But Kemba let Batum do it. That’s huge different. That’s why Lin can’t have good stats next to Kemba but not Batum.

  • sws94

    In the 2Q he played PG. The challenge is with Kemba.

  • Joe what do you know

    Oh yes the good’ol LP. AUD $270 a pop for a regular subscription that only lets you listen to home team feeds. I paid that as well, and I think I’ve lost my money again this year. But like Lin, he gambled on the Hornets and appears to have lost. I gambled on the LP and yep, I lost too… Lol

  • heart

    Yep. Rox rolled out the template. Lakers copied. Hornets perfecting it. The similarity is uncanny.

  • Spot

    Kemba is a ballhog and ruined carreer to lots of his teammates.

  • Michael

    I hope they play 30 OT’s and the crowd leaves…

  • sws94

    Was he asked about them. It’s not acceptable not to mention Lin. They don’t win without Lin’s play.

  • your son’s voltaire

    what’s the defensive number for the 4 quarters? Stephanie Ready had that on during the game and it was ridiculous in favor of the 2nd unit squad

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yes, but ONLY in 2nd q…. all other times, he’s a floor spacing 3 on offense….

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    It would be much worse for Lin’s minute at GSW..So the situation in Charlotte is still better than if he were sitting on the bench of GSW.

  • CJSHYY

    Can’t agree more on this… smh!

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/671114247376666624

  • occupatio

    DefRtg across quarters. (lower numbers are better; higher numbers are worse)
    103.4
    96.9
    107.1
    91.5

  • InfiniteWisdom

    mo balled last year and even he couldnt coexist with kemba. kemba’s not a bad guy, i like him a lot as a person, but he’s one of those guys with deluded self confidence. a pg jr smith….

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    No..It would make all Hornets fan to hate Lin..specially given the fact that the Hornets are winning at the moment…If the Hornets were losing and Kemba was not playing well, than these criticism of Lin’s mistreatment would had made more sense to the broader public.

    The FO would most likely become very disenchanted with Lin’s supporters and would want to get rid of him….In a way, that probably would be best for Lin to move to another team.

    But, I think you are crazy if you think Lin fan can put pressure on the Hornets to give Lin more minutes…They can always state the team has a winning record because of the way Clifford is distributing minutes.

  • your son’s voltaire

    so these are what each quarter allows per game?

  • Dorothy

    Jealousy much

  • occupatio

    it is the points allowed by hornets per 100 possessions

  • your son’s voltaire

    ah, thanks

  • InfiniteWisdom

    he never does… it is what it is… go home lin….. gsw can appreciate a good bench….

  • InfiniteWisdom

    he got his contract, what does he care?

  • blubell
  • CJSHYY

    Like I said after that OT vs King… Lin’s playing time cut short… Kemba is the problem. Cliff just do whatever to make Kemba happy. Lin been used like Lance right now.

  • wandertheglobe

    Two seasons too late, Kobe may not make it to the end of this season. What a way to go out….

    Also, it’s the end of BS?

  • CJSHYY

    Wow! Finally good news for Lin.

  • Dorothy

    No, he does not care, but FO cares about China market that is why they use Lin as marketing tools all day long.

  • Joe what do you know

    As a player I guess….

  • CJSHYY
  • occupatio

    good riddance

  • LinMad

    not very breaking

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Exactly…..All that will do is create problem for Lin and make people hate him because of his followers.

    As a Lin fan, I can honestly say that it’s really a bad idea to publicly attack the Hornets FO..That will make him hated cause people will think it’s Lin who is telling his supporters to do this.

  • Dorothy

    That is ok, let Kemba be Kemba and we will see which star will sign with Hornets. He can have his ISO all day long after Lin leaves and no one will come to Hornets. And Hornet will be back to Bobcat.

  • Rick Johnson

    So Byron Scott’s days are numbered. Can’t be soon enough.

  • heart

    Most Lin fans see this trend, but Some are still denying the obvious fact that KW does his best to ignore passing to Lin bc he’s a one-way player (can’t play w/o the ball in his hands). Moreover, KW is empowered by Cliff to control the ball and be the main pg. So please don’t blame Lin on his low shooting attempt bc he hardly gets any touches and not allowed pg duty while playing w/KW.

  • kauaiblue

    Man, I regret purchasing league pass… at least i didn’t buy a jersey…

  • Dorothy

    exactly, but fake Lin fans will always fault Lin for not doing enough. SMH

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    How can they side with you when the Hornets have a winning record and Lamn/Kemba are playing well offensively…They are already complaining about Lin’s supporter on the ATH forum…Already, Lin’s fan are getting banned there…

  • gandychan

    i bought leaguepass too. lol

  • LinMad

    same, can we chargeback?

  • Dorothy

    you can get refund and they will pro-rated. I regret so much that I spent about $200 buying Lin stuffs to support Hornets while at Lin’s signature event.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i thought this was a joke about kobe and holding onto the ball too long. but i guess this is how kobe is telling the world he is retiring?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    we must also remember that lin is literally in no position to succeed. he’s not on the opposite wing, thus benefiting from ball movement. instead he’s in the corner spotting up. how can an attacking pnr pg succeed under these conditions?

  • CJSHYY

    I was mad about that too but since Rox plays bad now so it’s still entertainment…. LOL! No jersey for me either.

  • LinMad

    i only bought the Hornets feed so now I really regret it

  • CJSHYY

    I guess it’s too late to ask for refund…LOL!

  • sport

    Of course cause Lakers and other teams aren’t dumb enough to give him another contract.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    that and to watch lin’s new team next year GSW 😛

  • kauaiblue

    ok, thanks… it’s not a total waste!

  • sport

    It’s both Kemba and Batum icing out Lin! Yet Lin remains stubborn and insist on passing back to them even when he gets passed the ball. He should shoot every opportunity he gets!

  • CJSHYY

    No, it’s Lakers. I know lots of people don’t like it or don’t think so but I think it’s Lakers. So happy Kobe finally out.

  • kauaiblue

    lol… next year, we have to watch 3/4 of the season bf we buy, ok?

  • your son’s voltaire

    kemba doesn’t pass to open teammates, he only passes to get rid of the ball when he can’t get his own shots up

  • InfiniteWisdom

    ugh…. i think i threw up a lil in my mouth…

  • heart

    Yep. And the ball hardly passes to him at the corner 3 for 3pt shooting, SMH!

  • kauaiblue

    That’s interesting. If Scott leaves and Buss realizes that JLin is a legit goldmine, it could be interesting. But Jeremy needs to get a sack and demand things…

  • LinMad

    I think 1/4 or 2/4 should be enough to know

  • Rick Johnson

    Yes, I’m rooting for a 20+ point lead against the starters in the 1st quarter. Steph will be home in front of his home town crowd honoring his father. 3 point bombs away. LOL

  • sport

    Depends on whether 1. Fire BS 2.Hire MDA again 3. Give Lin the keys to the team.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Ha, myself, wonder whether I should now cancel my NBA league pass purchase since Lin is not playing much.

    I do play daily fantasy sports, so having NBA league pass helps me follow how other players are doing around the NBA.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I said that every year but always buy early…. LOL!

  • Joe what do you know

    Jordan Clarkson be like: “Ooh yeah baby! I get to shoot 30 times a game now!!”

  • sport

    Same thing Batum does which Lin should do the same! Once he gets the ball he needs to ask for a screen or look for his shot!

  • LinJa

    watch Warriors like me lol

  • wandertheglobe

    LOL…Kobe. Savor you chucking up shots and fighting Father’s time.

  • kauaiblue

    I know! me too… I really thought this year was going to be different, but my gut said that we would see the same ol thing…

  • InfiniteWisdom

    and not just lin. this team takes so few corner 3’s. that’s how you know this team has “fake” ball movement. watch spurs or gsw and you wonder how on earth do they get all those uncontested corner 3’s… real ball movement!

  • Dorothy

    No, if they really valued Lin, they would not allow BS treated Lin the way he did even though they were tanking.

  • kauaiblue

    ok, except i don’t like kerr bc he talked bad about our boy…

  • kauaiblue

    There are no refunds… but if it helps in the FS, it at least takes the sting out of it… no pun intended!

  • CJSHYY

    I think BS will be out at the same time w Kobe.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I would rather Lin re-join the Lakers than go play with GSW…..Kobe will not be here next year too, so it would be good news….Byron Scott also has to be fire…If Scott and Byron are gone, than I’m all for Lin to go back to Lakers.

    As long as Lin is the first guard off the bench and he can back-up both Clakson and D’Angelo and get at least 25 minutes per game at the very least.

  • David Kim

    While there have been rumors about a coaching change because of the slow start, King said coach Lionel Hollins is safe, via Mike Mazzeo of ESPN.

    Is Nets coach Lionel Hollins in jeopardy of losing his job with the team off to an 0-7 start? “Not right now, no,” GM Billy King said. “Shoot, I’m in the last year of my deal, too. And that’s why I think I said before it’s not just Lionel. We’re all in this together.”

    Both Billy King and Hollins must go…….
    I really want MDA and Lin reunite at Nets….or different team?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Bad News or Breaking News!

    Kobe Bryant announces his retirement

    edit:
    The 37-year-old Bryant made the announcement in a post on The Players’ Tribune on Sunday. The decision was not totally unexpected, given that Bryant has said many times in recent weeks that he was considering making his 20th NBA season his last.

  • LinJa

    he did?! you mean when he was on TNT commentating?

  • your son’s voltaire

    i regret selecting Lin on my fantasy team. there goes $20

  • kauaiblue

    nah, that’s cool… JLin is the reason we watch, no?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i honestly dont think so. watch barbosa play. i honestly think to myself, lin would be perfect in this role. barbosa gets 15 min a game so far. lin is better than him by far and maybe can eat into shaun’s minutes too. lin’s d is legit and could earn him more playing time on a contender. right now he’s a 2nd quarter backup pg and floor spacer all other minutes. quality over quantity…

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I think Lin will go back. I know lots of fans don’t like the idea but I really think he will back to Lakers. Saw Young talked few times how they should play… just exactly like what Lin said… have fun on court. share the ball … We will know next summer.

  • wandertheglobe

    Bad news for whom? Lakers are celebrating. Opponents are not because with Kobe, they have a better chance of winning. BS will let Kobe do whatever he wants, including chucking 1/14 because he has earned it. Double standard that much.

  • CJSHYY

    Good news.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    obviously for Lin fans

  • your son’s voltaire

    true. and i lied, i don’t exactly regret it. lol. still holding out hope for Linsanity this year

  • kauaiblue

    Yes, I remember listening… I recall once when he said JLin is no longer this harvard phenom, this asian guy… I was like, whey do you have to bring up his race? and his tone was like he really did not like JLin… he kept praising beverly, and saying he overtook JLIn’s starting position… i was about to throw up and throw my tv out the window at the same time… lol

  • heart

    Bad news for BS. Good news for Team.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i got that feeling as well, but once on the team they will realize how hard he works and what he brings to the bench.

  • MEL LIN

    MY FEELING IS THAT JEREMY SHOULD ASK FOR A TRADE NOW BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE BY DECEMBER. UPVOTE ME IF YOU AGREE PLEASE.

  • adele

    I thought Kemba is a great team mate

  • Rick Johnson

    “Lakers make the payoffs” LOL Like that’s going to happen.

    https://twitter.com/NBAFLASHNEWS/status/671120684689526784

  • heart

    Trade to where first. Does he have a say where to go? Don’t want him get dumped onto a team w/bad coaching like Rox dumped him to Lakers.

  • kauaiblue

    I won’t believe it until I see it… we have now 4 head coaches who just don’t get it…the coach who gives JLin the chance and succeeds long term will be loved in china and asia america… do they not see this?

  • LinMad

    heh

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lin should retire before backing up clarkson. like honestly…..

  • Rick Johnson

    He can’t be traded until after 12/15. And besides why would the Hornets want to? They have a competent b/u for dirt cheap.

  • MEL LIN

    ANYWHERE BETTER THAN HIS SITUATION NOW

  • sport

    Nets would be the best choice cause it’s still in NYC!

  • LinJa

    LOL, I went digging after I read your comment.

    http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/columnists/harvey/article/While-improved-Lin-still-trying-to-find-his-4982149.php

    “His shooting coach from Palo Alto, Calif., Doc Scheppler, said Lin plays best when he has the “what the heck, nothing to lose” attitude like in New York.”

    Lin needs to get his swagger and just TAKE IT with the IDGAF attitude!

  • CJSHYY

    They will not trade him bc what if Kemba gets hurt or whatever…. they need Lin & they know it better than anyone else.

  • kauaiblue

    lol… we all are!

  • sws94

    Necessary news. Never a Kobe fan but he was a great player. He’s absolutely shot now and it’s time to hang it up.

  • occupatio

    Typing in All Caps is yelling on the internet. There’s no need to yell. It just makes your posts harder on the eyes.

  • LinMad

    if they need Lin, and they need Kemba that badly, why play Kemba 40 minutes to risk an injury and only play Lin sparingly?

  • CJSHYY

    Really hate to see this but why every year like this….??? smh!

  • sport

    I thought about getting a Lin Hornet Tee but nope. League Pass was too expensive not worth it.

  • kauaiblue

    He looks so hesitant out there… what does he have to lose now?

  • MEL LIN

    THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL NOW YELLING

  • kauaiblue

    I couldn’t afford LP but yet bought it! Rip off! lol

  • CJSHYY

    Bc Kemba will not want Lin to shine on court so he will take every chance to play his game.

  • LinJa

    I dunno man. Maybe he is not as desperate, he’s made his money. He is at peace. His back is not against the wall.

  • occupatio

    its pretty obnoxious. youre typing stuff so that others to read, but u make it harder to read. theres nothing stopping you from yelling to yourself.

  • MEL LIN

    I don’t understand either…..why is it so hard for him to excel. they don’t want him to start would rather start PJ so that their starting five there’s no asian.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i upvoted u because i want him to be traded too but honestly, there’s next to zero chances that he’d be traded simply because there aren’t any player out there that produces as much as he does for $2 Mil

  • kauaiblue

    Man, it’s frustrating… i don’t know why he doesn’t say something… he has an army of backers… and if he wants to challenge stereotypes, then stop bending over and taking it!

  • Joe what do you know

    I would personally call it a gospel…

  • CJSHYY

    Bc Kobe. Next season no Kobe everything will be different…

  • LinJa

    Keep watchin, Lin needs people supporting him.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    That would be a massive “passive aggression” move by Clifford if he credited everyone on the bench and failed to mentioned Lin.

    If so, he’s probably aware of Lin fans criticizing him and is getting annoyed by it and is taking his anger on Lin.

    And it is why I warned Lin fan by publicly criticizing the Hornets FO on tweeter so they can see, will not bring any positive to Lin.

    The only good thing I could see about it is if they get so tired of the constant attack that they decide to trade Lin…I would now prefer that Lin go somewhere else..But at the same time, the Hornets may warn other teams that Lin has a lot of crazy fan who would accept anything below 25 minute for Lin…So unless a team is willing to give Lin 25-30 minute, stay away from Lin.

  • MEL LIN

    so…you’re saying it’s hopeless…we have endure this till next year…ahhhhh crazy year

  • kauaiblue

    Agreed. He needs to speak up… he keeps saying he wants to break down stereotypes… well, then speak up!

  • sws94

    I don’t think it is fair to say that. Kemba is a good guy and felt great for Lin and said great things about him after Lin’s OT eruption. I think Kemba doesn’t know how to play with another PG and enjoys playing like he plays. It’s more bad habit than bad intention from Kemba. Of course, Kemba would like to make the All Star game, but it doesn’t mean he doesn’t want Lin to shine. I don’t think that’s true at all.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well then kobe can seal his own fate cus they have zero chances of making the playoffs with him on the floor. but they do have a tiny chance of making it with him off the floor though

  • MEL LIN

    for once….ask for a trade let them know you’re not happy being treated this way…..feels like when Jesus was carrying the cross right now

  • kauaiblue

    Possibly good… if MDA and JLIn reunite in LA… could you imagine if Linsanity broke out in LA? This site would explode!

  • CJSHYY
  • wandertheglobe

    Why bad news for Lin fans? We all want him gone, even though, one year too late.

  • bolero

    same here…lol

  • kauaiblue

    I still only have my beloved #17 Knicks jersey… still waiting to buy that next one but will have to wait…

  • your son’s voltaire

    sorry, he ain’t going nowhere this season. but it’s not entirely hopeless, i mean linsanity can still happen this season for a variety of reasons…

  • MEL LIN

    if that is the case i want him to do really well and leave the hornets after

  • your son’s voltaire

    stuff the stats sheet, please!

  • kauaiblue

    Let’s not go overboard here, but you are right! Ask for a trade or something, anything… get pizzed, yell at a teammate, throw a chair… get ejected… man, this kid is like he has no cajones!

  • sws94

    I’ll have to hear it. Also other interviews because sometimes he’ll mention Lin a day later but didn’t say anything about him the same night. Anyway, he should of. Lin played great in the first half and the team looked terrible up to that point except for a few late buckets by Kemba.

  • Briiick

    It’s the same trick Haren used to ice Lin out. If their minutes are staggered, Lin has a chance to shine and create a comparison with Walker. Walker/Cliff can’t take that risk.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Teams FO who are smart should take this golden opportunity to call up JLin’s agent.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Lin asking for trade so soon will not paint him in a positive light..In fact, people will say he’s un-coachable.

    I hope that the Hornets would trade him on their own term, since Lin was promised playing time and they can no longer meet this promise because of Lamb contract and Kemba 40 minute mpg.

    What team would you want Lin to join so he can get enough playing time?

    I thought the Bucks would use a point guard…I’m sure the Bulls would be interested, but he probably wouldn’t see much minute in compare to Charlotte.

    The Knicks of course, would be a good destination. Backing up calderon guaranty you at least 25 minute at the least.
    Lin gets to play with Portzingis…MSG would be going crazy in excitement.

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba is not a bad guy but NBA is competition work place & anyone can replace you within 1 day. I am not surprised he did this even I don’t like it.

  • heart

    Can’t forget how Kobe treated Lin as a Lakers. He and BS DNP-CD Lin on Spurs game day. Lost respect for this guy long ago on so many fronts!

  • Briiick

    Don’t click it. Kobe is going to retire, like we care who he is.

  • MEL LIN

    or he can just shoot and shoot until his coach DNP him

  • sport

    Except Batum is even more obvious in his dislike of Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba sure will make it this year ASG bc Hornets is the host they will pick him as backup just like Harden first year in Rox when Rox hosted the ASG. Batum said so in training camp. Kemba will be an AS player.

  • kauaiblue

    well, if he hired professional PR people, unlike his agent, shooting coach, conditioning coach, and many more, they could spin this right… i myself would repeat “THEY LIED TO ME!”

  • your son’s voltaire

    it’s bound to happen anyway

  • kauaiblue

    LOL

  • MEL LIN

    well atleast go out in style

  • sws94

    Totally impractical, The team has a winning record, he gets acceptable playing time for a bench player and the team promotes Lin. Lin only could say publicly he feels he could do more to help the team and will work hard at doing things to help the team. That makes it sound like he’s a solid soldier and team-oriented and at the same time, he thinks he’s not doing too much. You have to use a psychology to make your point. You don’t say I’m underutilized, you say I could do more and work at it so you’ll have no other choice to use me or not further your chance to win as many games as possible.

  • MEL LIN

    backing up calderon the one that he made him cry with that 333333

  • CJSHYY

    Batum? I don’t think he likes anyone in the team… LOL!

  • sws94

    He plays with Lin fine. I don’t know who Batum likes or not. It’s hard to tell.

  • LinJa

    I’d imagine, it will take alot to get Lin to the point of Linsanity. Krillin has to die… lol

  • jlim7

    ASG in Hornets is not this year, but ASG 2017.

  • MEL LIN

    yeah i wish there were rumors lots of them

  • MEL LIN

    I wish there was poll now asking whether Lin should leave the team then post it on NBA, facebook, twitter etc….

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly. Remember in Rox, when Lin had good game… next game he sure would ice out…. Right now it’s just repeat the same story… but the worst it’s in Rox Lin never had such short playing time before…. that’s why I hate this team. Lin already got so less money to play for the team then… smh!

  • heart

    Yep. Hornets know they have a bargain in Lin who’s highly skilled and more valuable than anyone they can get on the market. That’s why he’s stuck for now until he exercises his Opt-Out. Praying for a miracle to happen somehow. Let’s do that Lin fans from now on for Lin’s sake…

  • kauaiblue

    There should be a poll asking whether JLin was lied to and whether he is being used by the NBA to market in Asia…

  • RIVAL ALMIGHTY

    lol!!!

  • kauaiblue

    what?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Lin fans would not be so disappointed if Cliff and Cho did not trick Lin with all these empty promises. We would have accepted Lin’s role in the team as if there is no high expectation. Unfortunately, we are seeing the same old crap carried over from Lakers …

  • CJSHYY

    Really? How come I read it’s this year?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    If and only if he doesn’t have a season-ending injury prior to that, just like last 2 seasons.

  • CJSHYY

    If let me choice between Kemba & Batum w Lin, I will pick Batum.

  • jlim7

    ASG this year will be in Toronto. ASG 2017 will be in Charlotte.

  • Phillycheese

    I thought he played really well tonight. Can impact without scoring.

  • MEL LIN

    troll from laker land….glad they are losing and kobe is retiring. don’t mind him kauaiblue

  • kauaiblue

    oh, thanks… admin, where are you?

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Agree…

  • CJSHYY

    I really think Lin didn’t want to start as SG… PJ is not the problem at all.

  • wandertheglobe

    Some of you may need to google Mary Lou Retton…LOL

    Also Mary Lou Retton remains in contention for #USA gymnastics team. https://t.co/LvKhE8L8v3— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 30, 2015

  • John Focker

    PJ’s just a placeholder for MKG, the “Batum as SG” narrative was planned all along.

  • CJSHYY

    Kobe is going to sell his products from Alibaba in China.

  • John Focker

    It’s most likely not Kemba himself, but the coach and/or FO who’s promoting their 12M PG.

  • John Focker

    Sorry my bad, memory failing.

  • Lin Win

    Enough said

  • heart

    Contention? What a JOKE!

  • sws94

    You see how easily it is to miss a few games? I’m glad Lin looks pretty healthy this season. As long as he’s healthy, he has a chance should something open up. I have faith that something will. Don’t know when, but if he’s healthy, he then has a chance.

  • LinJa

    I feel ya!

  • LinJa

    Eventually! I have to believe this too! Because I know exactly what its like to be like Lin, marginalized. Fortunately, things did turn around for me, I just keep working hard and keep my head down. Do your best forget the rest!

  • CJSHYY

    What? Honor him?

  • Lin Win

    I know the majority of you guys don’t like the Fakers but man what would’ve been if Lin was one season earlier with MDA and Pau Gasol.
    Would have been magical if those two worked it out! I don’t believe it was Bryant who drove Lin out but Byron Scott. Didn’t like the last 3 seasons of Kobe but for the majority of his career was good.
    Still my favourite picture to date!

  • LinMad

    lol

  • LinJa

    Going back to fans wanting Lin to go to GSW. Steve Kerr does not like LIN! I don’t think GSW is a good place to go. Now for sake of discussion. RIGHT NOW, which team would be the best for LIN now, if LIN go back to the past for 2015 after LA?

  • Maknusia

    lol…been saying that all along…none are listening

  • heart

    I do think it was Kobe and BS as his puppet w/FO approval of course that drove Lin out. Kobe (like Camelo) didn’t want Lin to take Lakers reign from him Lakers market has the highest Asian population and was prime for Linsanity if Lin was allowed to play his game.

  • LinMad

    At least people are stilling tweeting about Lin’s crossover on Lebron

  • LinMad

    what doesn’t Kerr like about Lin? I heard he said some bad things but was he just doing it cause he was rooting for a different team?

  • CJSHYY

    It’s true. I don’t think Kerr likes Lin but his boss do…

  • orLinaryjoe

    Good one

  • LinMad

    I don’t care how many defensive plays of the game Lin gets this season. Or how many times they say Lin played a pivotal role for this team and the bench. Words are words. Hornets need to take action and let Lin play PG for his entire 15-22 minutes on the court. Also be more consistent with his minutes like they are with Batum. Batum got 9 TOs yet he still got the same minutes he gets everyday. 33 minutes.

  • LinJa

    He was a TNT color commentator and he’s supposed to be neutral.

  • LinMad

    what’s a color commentator? I hear that a lot

  • LinJa

    There’s several people commentating during a game. There’s always one play by play commentator, the others add insight. The insight commentators are color commentators. They usually add stats, back story, basketball fundamentals etc.

  • LinJa

    oh they also usually create the Keys to the game commentary for both teams when its primetime. They’re supposed to be neutral. Whereas home commentators only provide keys to the home team to win.

  • LinMad

    i see, so Kerr wasn’t neutral when it came to Lin

  • occupatio

  • Briiick

    Don’t buy Koby, LOL.

  • CJSHYY

    He wants China fans to buy it.

  • CJSHYY

    I know… right now BS starts to worry about his job…LOL!

  • LinMad

    I feel that Paul is a little too optimistic for this team. He keeps mentioning Lin needs to improve and gain trust from the coach to get more playing time, but I feel that it is impossible when he does well and still doesn’t get to close the game.

  • LinMad

    once Kobe leaves this season, Lakers will have a big downgrade. Ain’t no superstar caliber on the team. If they still had Lin, that could be different.

  • james brown

    why do you want him to go to lakers just to back up clarkson or Angelo? clarkson now is a Sg after JlIN left and Bscott no longer needed him for JLIN’s justification. Lakers is good if and when coach BS leaves and Kobe is gone and all nonsense players is gone too and replaced by other useable NBA caliber players.

  • CJSHYY

    I think it’s impossible if you don’t have playing time & your teammates don’t pass the ball to you. How can you improve? Like Lance said SG w/o the ball how to shoot?

  • Rick Johnson

    Knicks ahead of Rockets 54 to 41 at the half. LOL

  • CJSHYY

    Oh! Really? Great news….LOL!

  • james brown

    buss family doesn’t know how to handle an NBA team..they can be easily swayed by other people.

  • Maknusia

    Thanks……I’m lost of words on these negativity…since they are Lin fans…else we mods would have acted on them.

    Sooner or later…we might need to clip and trim

  • Dorothy

    I did not listen to it, but Lin did so well in pre-season, and what he got? I do not buy that Lin needs to improve and gain trust thing. It just excuses for Clifford and for glass is half full Lin fans.

  • occupatio

    its a long season. i dont believe anyone can predict what the situation will look like when we get to the All Star Break.

  • LinMad

    I just think Paul’s reasoning is a bad one. Lin doesn’t need to prove anything at this age. He can close games. He can play very well when given the opportunity. Outside of basketball, he’s a marketing tool for any NBA team. If he was treated right by the coach, he would be a bigger marketing tool when he’s ending up with 20+ points per game and 6+ assists.

  • james brown

    but KObe will have a different role inside the FO and still become influential on Lakers team..mark it!

  • LinMad

    Knicks are a better team this year

  • CJSHYY

    Just check, PB starts…. Harden got what he wants…. but still lose…LOL!

  • Briiick

    They can still get Lin back next season if KB and BS all are gone.

  • james brown

    its coach assessment of jlin and Jeremy just follow Cliff right now..he may be in doubt and may have the thought of it is MAYBE another discrimination of him but his heart speaks on how all this thing are planned for him by His Almighty thats why he will never go against anybody out of NBA or even Inside NBA. #mytake

  • Maknusia

    Arent we over speculating here? We dont even know what was the conversation about

  • james brown

    i don’t listen now to his video because he’s trying to make all JLin follower to be complacent and putting all the blame on jlins hands by means of doing more eventhough he’s been doing it already and on the OTHERHAND clearing cliff of his inadequacies.

    It is a bit painful to hear from Paul because it is obvious that Paul also feel the pain of whats happening with jlin and cliff’s usage of him , but being too positive right maybe of help to him to remain calm and compose till the next opportunity comes Jlin’s way.

  • Rick Johnson
  • james brown

    I think he knew (PAUL) that everybody sees the fallacy of his reasons thats why it sounds too defensive of him.

    I think also that he’s using the positivity just toi calm followers of Jeremy and nothing else, till the next opportunity comes JLIN’s way!

  • LinMad

    Ya he did say something like he understands why we’re angry

  • Briiick

    I stopped listening to him last season. There are things he is afraid to speak out. But I still like him for being a Lin fan for a long time.

  • sws94

    Lin played extremely well this game. He could have been more assertive in the 4th with Kemba, and gave up 2 3s by helping, but that’s about it. I understand why Paul is happy with how Lin played.

  • james brown

    Batum is not a threat to KW position and glory, JLIN is. so he let Batum handle the ball even on fastbreaks because he knew the ball will return to him..while JLIN can only handle the ball diuring defensive rebounds and straight to their basket, but most of the times now, JLIN remembers he is not allow to shoot the ball until he passed it to another player/ The JLIN who was so deadly on a fastbreaks before are now thinking of not overfast breaking his own teammates because its Cliffs principle that he adheres.

  • sws94

    Sorry, but that is where you are wrong. Lin does need to prove himself on the court. And age isn’t that much a factor. It’s more his role on the team and his “status” on it.

  • james brown

    he is hesitant right now because he can’t squeeze all the energy at a measly 20 minutes max PT

  • james brown

    andhe had two coaches who tells everybody ” he like Jeremy a lot” and yet do the opposite of it!

  • LW

    Couldn’t watch the game. Judging from the box score +/-, looks like Lin and the bench won the game for Hornets, again! But what’s up with Lin’s low usage 1/4 7pts but +10 and Wallker’s high usage 7/13 22pts but -9?

  • sws94

    Where I disagree with Paul is Lin finishing at the rim. I actually think Lin finishes better at the rim than Kemba. I think Lin has all of the tools to finish great after drives. He just needs to use this tools more rather than try to lay everything up close to the rim. And that’s why I think Lin has to make great decisions, including what type of shot to take in each situation. But he can hit shots in traffic around the rim on the drive. You need touch around the rim, you don’t have to dunk.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I get the feeling you can get the answer by reading all the negative comments below.When I’m free I’ll scrutinize.

  • james brown

    JLIN will ask for it , of course with respect. and Hornets will think hard on it because they know that come summer JLIN will leave and this is the best time to profit more from him.

  • sws94

    As PG Lin was superb. Didn’t get to play much PG in the 2nd half due to a lot of playing time with Kemba.

  • kittyhead

    I stop listening to his video last season. Sounds like the same old same comments. The tone is always Lin has to be perfect to make the coach happy and earn his 20 mins. Yes, could he explain why somebody has 9 turnovers and the coach couldnt care less about it?

  • occupatio

    knicks up 9

  • CJSHYY

    W/O Melo….

  • james brown

    what proof are you asking from JLIN now? Cliff told JLIN that he Knew how to play JLIN to hit his max. and NOW you’re telling the forum that JLIN REALLY NEEDS to prove himself AGAIN ..on what PT? less than 20 minutes?

  • Steppen03

    NYK, Let’s put this in the bag.
    Porzi! Porzi!

  • sws94

    It has nothing to do with any of that. He is a player in a new team with a new coach and in most sports, unless you are a superstar, you don’t get the benefit of the doubt. That’s just the way it is. It isn’t what I’m asking for, it has nothing to do with me. It is his situation on an NBA team now.

  • Rick Johnson

    Rockets will tend to quit if behind.

  • kittyhead

    I dont believe words anymore. BS said he was Lin’s fan. Clifford said a lot of good words of Lin. So what??

  • Briiick

    No wonder.

  • leeda harun

    Still no highlights?

  • sws94

    Paul gave good examples. Improve perimeter shooting, don’t play reckless and expand ways to score. We can’t worry about Batum and others, what happens with them is not what is going on with Jeremy Lin. As Paul said, this isn’t Linsanity and things don’t revolve around him, they do other players and not him. And Paul says, he’s not done here and he’s going to improve his skills level. Not seeing clearly where Lin needs some improvement to satisfy many NBA coaches is a problem with some Lin fans. See his game clearer, strengths and weaknesses and why coaches will do what they do. That’s the reality. Everything else is what we want and that’s not the conditions where Lin operates. This doesn’t mean Lin isn’t a fun and really solid player that can help any team win. It just means he has challenges and development at this point is his career and adjust to the reality of any team that he’s on expectations of their coaching staff and melding with other players,

  • james brown

    Then Batum needs to prove himself also, but with a great leeway of 34 to 38 minutes per game? sound fair isn’t it? but no, Cliff said he doesn’t know how Batum played so he is giving him more time for Batum to reveal his plays with Cliff, while Clif who shouted to the world that he Know how to use Jlin and his brand of play has not been given enough opportunity to show of it but otherwisee almost all are saying now 20 minutes is enough for JLIN to pROVE his worth!…

    The problem right now i believe is HOW JLIN CAN SHOW his craft with the team if the team seems placed him at the back of the bus?

  • John Focker

    Morey can always blame Khloe to save his own a*s.

  • sws94

    Batum is not Lin. If you get into the trap of comparing Batum to Lin then you can’t see what Lin needs for his career. Whatever Batum needs to do it isn’t what Lin needs to do. He’s in the starting rotation, finishing rotation, and he’s doing what the Coach wants most nights. Lin may need to do some other things. That’s just the way it is.

    Clifford may still be trying to get Lin in the game more, seems to me he’s trying to build the relationship with Kemba. And that’s what I think we should focus on. Not Lamb, Batum, but Lin getting more chemistry with Kemba.

  • james brown

    that is a general assessments of a players MUST do…

    JLin’s been doing the harnessing of his skills as we saw during pre-season when cliff gave him enough time to play and we cannot fault him for being remiss on that Preparations.
    But of all people, PAUL knew that other factors plays for a players game to prosper..preparation is a must and Jlin is the last person to be told by it (we all know being JLIN’s follower).

    as to the coach, we can’t believe all of the things a person speaks if that word is not backed up by action, thats why there’s a word for that “DOUBT”..Paul also mentioned previously that Jlin almost a better player than Linsanity days..so if Linsanity is we are asking for now, then a great player we will have, yet the problem is the opportunity and that chances is only been given in trickes and the max allowed as a standard is 20 minutes of playing time…

    We know what is real and what is encouragement…the latter is the dream that we wish will happen in the near future!

  • Now we know Harden is no Jedi on Defense 🙂 #WhenTheForceFailed
    https://twitter.com/JLinPortal/status/671153698018607105

  • sws94

    He’s 100 percent right the league has more talented PG in the league than a lot of other times. That is unfortunate for Lin but Lin offers more than a traditional PG. There is nothing wrong with Paul saying improve as a player so you get more opportunities. That’s sound advice for any player. And he’s right that Lin would have a hard time finding a starting PG in this league with the way the organizations are now. We don’t want to hear it so we then don’t like Paul. But Paul is one of the best Jeremy Lin analyst in my opinion. He has the right detachment and analytic approach and that’s what is needed in accessing Lin’s situation.

  • There is this Kemba/Lin/Batum highlights for now

  • leeda harun

    thank you psalm 🙂

  • see above. No JLin specific highlights yet

  • Briiick

    Haren is acting the defense, good actor.

  • yw =)

  • sws94

    Cliff may be at his own plan and speed. I don’t know. I really don’t. I loved Lin’s game today. Yes, I’d like to see more points and a strong 2nd half but he played well. Today’s game is just part of a bigger picture. Each game, in my opinion, can’t define what isn’t really definable yet. So, I don’t get on Cliff much but I have said a lot of things he’s done that I don’t agree with. But his overall usage and stuff, it’s still developing as I see it.

    Opportunities may not be that numerous in this league. So, that’s what I’m looking at. And I see a lot of games ahead and as I said in another post, he’s healthy and opportunities may open up. That’s why he’s on the map anyway.

  • CJSHYY

    Only 1 shot.. no need.

  • james brown

    iam not focusing on batum but just using him as an example to show the reality that i am seeing..if you insist on JLIN to become better to PLEASE the coach, then JLIn has a problem because cliff somehow maybe has a double standards.

    we can focus on Jlin alone, but he can’t play all alone..he need others too and that others has its own agenda and plans, by them and by the team…thats why i am saying here, that JLIN is the LEAST among the problem because he is not being given enough opportunity for the expectation that others expects of him!

    Right now i am ok with whats happening to jeremy because i can see almost all of the variables that my mind can use on his playing with hornets. and i Don’t put the pressure of telling that Jeremy needs to improve on this and that because i know he is the first person/Player who will surely know what’s better for him and his game, while other factors need to analyze and talked by us so we can see JLin’s performance vis a vis all factors.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Cliff is not stupid and what’s he’s doing showed he wanted to win and winning with the franchise’s agendas. What he did last game and today game proved my points. He made his mistake and would not want to repeat it again today by trying to keep Lin in as long as he could without compromising their plans. He knew Lin is the best team player in term of making the whole team better regardless who’s on the floor with him.

    Let me make a prediction for their next game vs the GS, Lin will play more minutes than usual because he wants to win the undefeated/champ. But this will be only one game then back to their agendas.

  • occupatio

    look at how well hansbrough played did tonight. look at few opportunities he gets. he was only in when bc al got injured.

    its not entirely fair or deserved, but thats how it is. and he’s not the only one. yet many lin fans treat lin’s situation as some unique form of injustice, some unrivaled case of suffering the world has never seen before.

  • Summary of Rockets.
    At least, JLin is not caught in this mess to be the scapegoat.
    And we don’t have to listen to HOU media keep picking on Lin.

    https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/671154916325326848

  • sws94

    He has different standards for Batum and Lin. They play different roles. Batum is a starter and finisher and is going to play over 30 MPG per night no matter what. And Batum hasn’t had that many bad games and is active with all the players. Lin has a more difficult role of leading the 2nd group yet moving off ball whenever Kemba comes on the floor, which is a lot. And Lin has a harder role and job to do vs. his natural tendencies than Batum has.

    What I write is detached from my personal feelings about the crap going on, so to speak, and how I think Lin can play more. I don’t think it is right. It just is. And he has to prove himself.

  • CJSHYY

    D12 just like Lin only got few balls per game now…

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Is that Ariza he’s blaming for losing the ball? Hahahaha hilarious.

  • Dorothy

    Lin’s situation is indeed unique. If teams want to mistreat Lin, then don’t use him as marketing tools and trying to fool Lin’s fans. I have been saying, teams can not have their cakes and eat it too. That is what I am even more mad about.

  • sws94

    Daniels deserves some play. Even Roberts. And TH for sure. Lin is getting opportunities and is a main rotational player. A lot of good players aren’t treated well in a lot of major sports (NBA, NHL, MLB and NFL),.

  • james brown

    i am with you on this and im just exchanging words with you because of what Paul has said..i don’t listen to him because that’s is given already and as of the moment accepted that Jlin will not be given opportunity (much) to showcase himself that he’s a leader, maybe later on to the next team,.

    But to say Cliff is experimenting, maybe, with LIN, LAMB,Zeller,kamisky, Hawes. but with KW, Batum..its already set on stone that’s why the performance and the trust which equates to confidence on/off court. with Al, it depends, for i see some trades in the future. PJ, i don’t know whats cliff/Fo’s minds about him.(no care)

  • sws94

    Question, who else do you follow closely in major sports?

  • leeda harun

    harden doesnt want to share the spotlight

  • occupatio

    i dont care for roberts, but i certainly agree with your general pt.

  • sws94

    Me neither. I’ll drop him. You’re right.

  • occupatio

    haha that was quick.

  • occupatio

    knicks choking at the end. ARGH

  • wu kong

    There is plenty of evidence that Lin has already proved his worth for this team this season Stop saying he has to earn play time argument is absurd

  • Dorothy

    Question for you: Is this a Lin fan site or not? Why should we care about other players??? I have been saying I am not a bball person and I don’t need to be one to be a Lin fan. SMH.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Harden hope D12 will option out this year. This is Harden’s team now… no need 2H in town.

  • CJSHYY

    Fisher should act more earlier not until only up by 2… hope NYK win this one.

  • james brown

    standards are equal to everybody in general…Fairness, Equality, Opportunity, Chances. if one was taken away , then the playing field is no longer feasible for others overthought they battle ready.

  • sws94

    It’s a legit question in light of what occupatio wrote. If you are going to compare Lin’s situation to others you need to be familiar with others. you are absolutely correct in Lin is marketing in a way other players of his skill set aren’t. But the question is, in terms of actual usage in the sport, is his situation unique.

  • Briiick

    Haren chokes after the end.

  • Dorothy

    No one has the marketing power like Lin and being treated like Lin in ANY sports. No, I do not need to follow any other sports to know that.

  • Maybe Lin/Howard can team up to be the Dynamic Duo somewhere that Hakeem Olajuwon said once before.

  • occupatio

    it’s about having perspective.
    in our own lives, it is important to be able to see outside the limitations of our own perspective.
    as for bball, if you only see things through lin, that’s a very limited perspective.

  • sws94

    Tell that to the guys who provide the playing time. Not me. I’m saying what he needs to do for them. That isn’t absurd, that’s reality.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Kinda oxymoronic there. You don’t have to be a basketball person just to be a Lin fan, but an understanding of what he actually does and what the sport he is playing and how it goes helps.

  • CJSHYY

    OT for NYK vs Rox. smh!

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Lin-Duncan please.

  • Dorothy

    See my reply down there for sws.

  • sws94

    I think the NBA may have shame on their hands after all is said and done with Lin,. In private corporations, a lot of that is thrown out of the window unfortunately. But I believe if Lin excels to the best of his ability, the more foolish those that don’t use him will look. But he has to get to the best of his ability even if you squeeze his time on the court. I think he can do it. It’s tough, but I think he can.

  • Maknusia

    Knicks playing well…its just that they had way too many TOVs

  • Yascar

    Back in Houston, Lawson has not played tonight. I find that interesting. Granted he’s been downright awful but given up on him already?

  • Dorothy

    Please read what he and I wrote carefully, then you will know what I am talking about. I am not saying Lin is the only person being mistreated, but he is INDEED the only person being mistreated yet being used for huge market tools.

  • james brown

    He’s ok but right now, he’s not talking whats happening, he is just ENCOURAGING..go ask paul and he will surely say to you that’s the purpose of his video devoid of whats really happening at Hornets…:P

  • It’s true that Lin/Hansbrough/Hawes are being treated as regular bench players.

    I’m not sure if JLin has this in mind when he signed up.
    Perhaps he expected more PnR with him as the PG but he’s doing his best at the moment.

    If nothing changes by end of season regarding his role, I’m sure JLin will try to find a team that will utilize his PG talent to the fullest.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I am not talking about your post on the mistreatment.I’m talking about your claim on not being a bball person.

  • Maknusia

    lol…it is

  • sws94

    in the basketball sense. And maybe that’s not even true about the marketing sense. I’m not familiar enough with people in the NBA to say that. Lin being the only Asian-American and his following from Insanity and popularity make him pretty unique so he may be taken that into account.

  • Maknusia

    but then…Lin should have known, there is no “known” PnR players in CHO….

  • Rick Johnson

    Haralabos Voulgaris‏@haralabob
    Its not amazing that Kobe is 1-8 tonight. Whats amazing is that a guy who is shooting 33% on the year is allowed to shoot 8x in 1 qtr

    https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/671161477231861760

  • Yascar

    What they are saying is that if you look at Lin’s situation in context of the sport he plays, he actually isn’t in an untenable position. Not great either admittedly but he’s not the first person in a major sport that’s been treated this way.

  • Dorothy

    Since you sound such an expert in not only NBA but also other sports, please name some who have as big marketing power as Lin and suffers the same mistreatment like Lin to enlighten me.

  • that’s why it’s weird that JLin said he wanted to play his game in CHA if he can only play Pick-and-Pop but not much Pick-and-Roll.

    I would’ve have expected more Lin/Zeller doing PnR with Zeller rolling to the basket more.
    We had only 1 highlight during regular season

  • Yascar

    Yes, a lot of people on this forum pointed that out when he moved to Charlotte actually. He took this eyes wide open. I absolutely adore our boy, but he needs to take some accountability for where he is, and make this thing work.

  • sws94

    Yes. The chemistry with players is one way. Get more with Batum, Lamb, Al if possible (I think they actually have some) and eventually Kemba. But that Ed Davis type is nowhere to be found.

  • Maknusia

    Personally…I think…Lin is kinda in a dilemma in terms of adjusting to this new players. Overall he is playing well, but while concentrating on X; he is not assertive enough in O…he will adjust as we have seen many times.

  • CJSHYY

    I think so…. Haha!

  • CJSHYY

    Haha!

  • wu kong

    Given Lin’s start. The linsanity games and plenty of stats to back it up. He is a legit starter caliber pg for the NBA who has been blackballed by certain segments in the extremely corrupt nba

  • Dorothy

    I said I agree Lin is not the only person being mistreated, but my question is he is definitely the only person being mistreated so badly with a huge marketing power. That is what I hate about the NBA and teams. They want marginalized this Asian kid but on the other hand using him to make money for them. That is a crime.

  • CJSHYY

    His last season just let him do it. Lakers wants to loss anyway.

  • occupatio

    of course harden bricks the final shot

  • Jun Liu 8-min highlight

  • wu kong

    Yes. His situation is unique. Who had the stats he did during linsanity? We are talking about a proven talent being blackballed by corruption.

  • Pete Roces

    Exactly, thats what NBA is doing, Lin is just a marketing too for them, they will never let him shine, So as Lin fan, I suggest lower all your expectation for Lin, his NBA days are numbered. I don’t think there will be Linsanity again……

  • Triple OT plzzz =)

  • Maknusia

    Some early pictures…..When I find more…will post later

  • Maknusia

    hmmm unlikely….Rox just woke up

  • wu kong

    Did any of these players put up numbers like Lin ever?!! Nope. And I am not talking just linsanity. He has done it again and again when given the time on the floor.

  • kittyhead

    I dont think having no pnr bigs is an excuse. It’s more about how the coach wants to play. Taking Hill for example, he played pnr very well and scored efficiently under D’Antoni, but became a pnp choker under BS. Even Lakers fans felt this change was ridiculous.

    Lin could play a lot of pnr with AL,Zeller,Kaminsky,even with Batum or Lamb. But Clifford refuses to use his strength in this way. That’s all.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    What’s with the “real or fake” thing?Guess if there is a real bad Santa or fake bad Santa?

  • grover chang

    I like Kemba I so plays in spurts easily more entertaining then Harden. But watching kemba and Jefferson take turns shooting the ball actually put me to sleep. I had to rewind the game to see what Lin did.

  • wu kong

    Seriously dude?

  • Briiick

    Lin was doing really well.

  • TTNN

    yes, people keep forget about that and still treat Lin as unproven.

  • LinJa

    “I’m looking at this from a long term view rather than instincts.” MVid. This is my view. Long term is ASB. But of course. Pray-fully next team will be the right one. Maybe 7th’s team the charm….

  • LinJa

    Kemba is more inefficient than LIN PERIOD.

  • spiderman

    maybe an analogy to whether Clifford’s promises to Lin were real or fake

  • grover chang

    Appears to not be a bad guy but bad style for point guard. I think of him like a shorter swaggy P. But swaggy was a better teammate because his job is to shoot, not pass and he could play sg with Lin as point guard because swaggy is taller.

  • LinJa

    Absolutely agree. I’m just waiting when will Cliff see the light. If after ASB Cliff is still blind, then for sure, he is just as much as the idiots that missed Lin Pre-linsanity and even the worst, given mchale and BS. All I could ask for this forum is all Lin fans to be more patient. I know 3 years after knicks is a long time. But we’re close. Lin has the upper end in terms of contract. It’s not like he’s stuck like with the Rockets & Lakers.

  • Rick Johnson
  • occupatio

    lin made his choice and he’s in charlotte now. whatever was said to him or softly promised before the season started is irrelevant now. as Yascar said, lin has to “make this thing work.”

  • 1mtoldman

    1 for 11 in 13 minutes. the kobe farewell tour begins.

    everyone in attendance got a nice retirement letter from kobe tho.

  • LinJa

    “Big Chubby White Guy” as Bad Santa LMAO!!!

  • spiderman

    Chuckie on a rampage

  • CJSHYY

    Pacers uniform is really ugly… what’s that? LOL!

  • LinJa

    People just need to stop preaching that Lin should or should’ve gone to GSW. Its absurd!

  • kauaiblue

    Thank mak! Your enthusiasm lifts my spirits!

  • kauaiblue

    No! Duncan too old!

  • kauaiblue

    Anyone here have any clout or infuence at all? I know this is not world peace at stake but can someone expose this sham? Or twitter blast chinese viewers that its all a scam?

  • Briiick

    I hope so. The chances for Lin to shine are 1. they want to win and the east is very competitive now; 2. there will likely be major injuries given the heavy usage (unnecessary stat padding) of some players.

  • LinJa

    Guys! I see that Lin is totally playing his best at Hornets compared to Rox, Fakers and even Knicks. You guys are justified in your angst with minutes. But I’m happy that Lin is in fact a way better player. His defense has improved significantly. I love watching these rejections and steals. Best highlight for me last year was his chase block on DG. This year, there’s way more defensive highlights already in early season. Next year, WHEN, not IF, Lin will train even harder. No one can deny Linsanity is LEGIT. Oh one more thing, there’s still his improved dribbling skills and shots(crossed LJB). Express your frustrations, but don’t give up hope! Lin gives us enough for us to have hope!

  • LinJa

    Lin is the Mutombo of PGs, maybe Lin needs to start the finger swag LOL

  • LinJa

    Lin-duncan, back to the future, replaces TP! That, I would like to see!

  • LinJa

    I wish Batum highlight includes Batum TOs…

  • Maknusia

    More to Lift the Spirits! 🙂

  • Maknusia

    Some more…

  • Steppen03

    I’m used to be on abroad with you on this… But no, not anymore. My prediction is: The Bigger the games are the less minutes JL7’s going to be on court or zero change, 15~22min – That’s It. CCliff’s wins or loss is on Kemba, NB, Lamb. Those are his horses. He’s gonna ride them like Secretariat. I’ve seen enough games to know what’s going on, now. CCliff shouldn’t have pulled Lin out in the Cavs game when it’s a “Winnable” game. Where’s the trust ?? Either it’s zero trust or “I don’t care, I choose NB and Lamb is better with the group.”

  • Maknusia

    thats it for now….

  • MEL LIN

    please

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Thornton “double dribbled” before he took the last 3point shot to tie the game at 101-101. Right under the referees nose. hah pathetic umpire.

  • grover chang

    Why coaches almost seem spiteful with Lin as the season progresses has started to bother me. Why? Lin is not a diva, troublemaker, headcase, or even lazy. If anything he has all the qualities to be a teachers pet. So why do coaches almost seem begrudgingly have to use him or resentful of letting him shine as the season progresses?

    My theory is the coaches see themselves as the mentor, the brains of the operation. They do the homework, they do the preparation, they teach the system to the players. The coaches are the smart one. But what if the teachers pet becomes the smart one in the locker room. What if that player is the most prepared. What if he knows better then the teacher. What if Lin is seen as the best brain in the locker room. On top of that he carries two stereotypes for being the smart one. Harvard degree and Asian.

    The coach is still the coach and has the authority in the locker room but what makes the coach special on the team Lin does better.

    We always looked to the star players ego being too large for Lin, but maybe it’s the coaches ego. The less confident the coach is in himself the larger the hate grows for Lin.

    To add salt to the wound Lin shows the coach you can’t win without doing it the Lin way. So the coach tries harder to prove that he can do it without Lin. To do it his way.

    What made MDA special was he wants his point guard to be the brains of the team. The way Nash and Lin take control of the team is his goal. So MDA and Lin get along well.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    This shows that JLin is really poor in telling the “truth” from the “lies”

  • Dorothy

    I think so. I think Clifford would rather lose to GSW than let Lin shine since this win will be too big to let Lin get the credit. I think in Clifford/s mind if he can win with Walker/Batum/Lamb great, if not, it is not a big deal since every other teams have lost.

  • LinJa

    human nature, it’s definitely possible. I saw it glaring with BS. With McHale, not as much, because Harden was dominant on Offense. With Cliff, its so conflicting, he sounds humble, plus you got Cho, an asian GM…So I’m not sure what’s exactly going on with Cliff here. Just like Psalm was saying, Cliff is still testing. Cliff may be a coach that is still “figuring things out.” After all, he did get the extension, so maybe, again maybe, Cho sees what Cliff is seeing. I’m not buying the racists card. politically charged? highly possible. Its frustrating to me too. But I don’t like to jump to conclusion and run with too early when the season is too early, especially with a totally new reformed basketball team. Rox has 2 year, Lakers is did not have as many new teammates. So I’ll wait. But @psalm234:disqus , don’t blame me when I turn overly negative next year LOL!

  • kauaiblue

    🙂

  • LinJa

    In all honesty, I would’ve answered the same exact way except for the “Bad Santa” movie. I just thought it was funny because of Lin’s innocent perspective. But also, that clip, actually showed how sheltered LA asians view are from white america. I’m asumming that most americans(or maybe local charlotte) might’ve known those clips. Its just part of human nature to be more connected to their own personal culture.

  • heart

    Have been reading some official Hornets bloggers and comments on twitters. Just bc they’re winning, they’re getting very offensive and arrogant. They’re dismissing Lin’s contribution towards their current winning status and relegating and mocking Lin as a lowly ‘backup’. Hornets can say good bye to my goodwill towards them. Lin should NOT EVER give any “Discount” to any future teams!

  • CJSHYY

    At the hive?

  • heart

    Yep and Hornets twitters in general.

  • CJSHYY

    At the hive had some problems w Lin’s fans so …. they have different writers, Some of them really don’t like Lin’s fans at all. I know they will say something to make Lin’s fans mad on purpose. Hornets tweet? They seem OK.

    I just don’t get it if Hornets thinks Lin will not stay so no needs to treat him nice like Batum then why Kemba’s ice out Lin so much?

    But If Hornets wants to keep Lin then why treats him so bad now?

  • Maknusia

    But Thornton was the game changer today

  • FSW

    Well he is being treated as such.
    Hopefully he knows what he is doing.
    Cause I would be pulling an Asik right now trade me or play me

  • CJSHYY

    I really think Lin made a big mistake to pick this team bc in NBA it’s that simple like coach or GM promised you something ….& they never changed… like Asik said Rox also promised to let him start not go to bench or something like that… See what happened?

  • grover chang

    We must be reading different pages. I was at the hive and in general I saw very positive posts. That Lin is playing well. Creating good offense. FG percentage needs work. Some say he should play more. If he plays that he play more point guard. Most posts fall in line with a lot of posts here. Also they said he plays good defense. Which blog did u go to?

  • CJSHYY

    They have different writers….

  • sport

    Howard would have to be willing to play PnR and pass back out. So far he plays just like Al Jeff.

  • heart

    Read and judge for yourself:

  • heart

    Judge for yourself:

  • FSW

    Well nba unlikely to see another Asian American for a very long time.
    Enjoy this ride of faith and perseverance.
    At the end of the day he has my respect as a player and more importantly for his humanity.
    Start or not, play or not he has made nba history already.
    Hope this is not the final chapter but I have been very lintertained, and wish him strength and luck to get what he wants.

  • JoeTeam

    Lin played nicely. His ft smiles say something good.

  • sport

    Yup he was naive to choose Hornets now he has to make the best of it. Seriously think he would’ve had more minutes in Dallas Mavs with Rondo gone.

  • Kajen Kirubahkaran

    you guys are idiots…this is lins FIRST year that he likely won’t be traded. The truth is, the rockets would probably have kept lin if it wasn’t for his $15 million salary cap hit. They needed room for C.Bosh at the time so they traded lin and parsons. In the end Bosh decided to stick with the heat and the rockets were screwed. If lin was only a 6 or 7 million cap hit then im sure they would have thought twice about trading a capable pg away for nothing. The lakers, Lin left after the year was up, its not like the lakers wouldn’t want to sign someone who is 11ppg 4 assists to a 2 million dollar deal. They would jump on that any time, h*** that is like lunch money to the lakers. It was lins decision, and im pretty sure he didn’t want to stay on a team with kobe bricking, and the coach benching him just to go tank mode. The other teams he couldve went to already had starter PG’s, or they were bricking like the lakers. Hornets probably seemed like the best option out of what was available. After this season though, im sure that alot more teams will be trying to get him on their team. Im just not sure Lin will want to move away, he’s got a good thing going in charlotte and unless he gets offered significantly more money, ie $5-6 million (charlotte would probably match that anyway) then I don’t see lin moving out.

  • sport

    Nope Lin barely played. Cliff is intent on winning with Batum, Walker, and Lamb with Batum shooting poorly but made a clutch shot at the end.

  • sport

    You’re kidding right? 15-20 minutes as backup is not a good thing going! Lin’s having his worst number of minutes ever this season!

  • Joe what do you know

    Wow… Paris attackers are Muslims so everything about Islam must be bad…?

  • CJSHYY
  • Singapore BB Fan

    Chinese saying,”Once you’ve crossed over to the other side – burn the bridge”
    Hive thinks too highly of Kemba, and AL.

  • sport

    Hornets want to keep Batum more than Lin they only see him as bench and also don’t want him to shine over their “chosen ones”. Lin needs to really just forget about teamball and get his stats. It’s obvious his teammates don’t pass to him and he too can do the same.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Less than 20 games into the season ..the Hornets fans start to heap praises to their almighty Kemba.
    Way too soon!!

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Hail Kemba! Hail Batum….the Hornets salute!

  • Maknusia

    I wonder what was going on …other than @disqus_3ojL2FVU9I:disqus tickle…did the ref say something?

  • heart

    yep.

  • Kajen Kirubahkaran

    he needs to show that he’s a capable pg, that means making more assists in limited playing time. His rebounding is also really good for his position, but getting assists is more important than scoring points, imo. If he improves that, you’ll be surprised how many teams will want him as a starting pg for next season, even if his points per game are really low.

  • CJSHYY

    That’s their guys from the past…

  • Maknusia

    Appreciate if you read the forum rules, first. Attacking a poster and denigrating a poster is a BOG no here. Appreciate if you could reword your posting calling members here as “idiot”

  • JoeTeam

    Chapter 6, a series of books to go …

  • golfhacker

    Yeah, right there for the #1 draft pick.

  • wandertheglobe

    Trash talk by the Bucks players? Best thing to do is just to laugh it off…

  • wandertheglobe

    Lou Williams the reigning 6th MOY got the DNP tonight, meanwhile, Kobe is 3/18 with another loss.

  • Briiick

    It would have been a mistake had he gotten another 1+1 contract last summer.

  • Joe what do you know

    Good point there. Almost forgot about Omer…. I just think Lin is still pretty naive but I’m pretty sure he learns from his own mistakes each step of the way…

  • Briiick

    I feel bad for them because they have to make Walker look like a star for several more seasons.

  • Lin Win

    Bro! Don’t question the NBA champion Byron Scott. He knows what he is doing!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    So Morey owns the people running Kluctchfans, who owns atthehive?

  • zxcvb

    Obviously, this stinks for us fans but it’s a LONG season and Lin is still a key contributor to arguably THE surprise team in the NBA. Most people picked Charlotte to be 12th…they look like a clear playoff team (esp. once you consider the 0-3 start).

    Lin will need an injury or MDA to be able to play his game for 30+mpg, but for now, he’s playing really solid “Derek Fisher PG” for 20-25mpg. He passed up a couple shots today, but again, it’s a LONG SEASON. I expect Lin to play more as the season wears on and his teammates revert to the mean and get fatigued/banged up. Even Lin got banged up playing heavy minutes in NYK. Stay healthy, stay sharp. Opportunities will come.

  • Joe what do you know

    Their starting 5 almost looks OKish if you replace Kobe with Swaggy…

  • Brent Yen

    It is always like this anyway…..To me…I feel fans are suffering more than Lin is….LOL

  • occupatio

    lol, precisely

  • zxcvb

    Yeah, I’m sure he’s disappointed not to show his true talent, but it’s great to be on a winning team without a egotistical gloryhog and ballhog like Harden/Kobe.

    Also, Clifford does let Lin play his game when he’s in there. It’s just that Kemba is the starter and Lin isn’t a SG. Lin just needs to keep his fouls low and hit his 3s…which looks better of late.

  • CJSHYY

    They already did a lot better than I thought… Young & JC did well.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    How in the world Jeremy did not get free throw on the foul at 6:53….That’s terrible…Lin really needs these free throws.

  • occupatio

    Crowder complained about the constantly changing lineups and unpredictable rotations by Stevens, the Celtic coach. Even tho Celtics have more flux than the Hornets, this is still a good reminder of how early we are in the season.
    It’s a long season; a lot can still change by the All Star Break.

    Jae Crowder with strong words after Celtics lose in Orlando:

    “We haven’t built our identity yet as a unit. Coaching staff hasn’t figured it out yet. We don’t have set rotations. A lot of guys don’t know where we’re going to play or what time we’re going to play. It’s affecting us a little bit. We’ve got to figure it out as a unit, figure it out as a coaching staff. We gotta build our identity in who we want to be. We’re a month into the season and we haven’t figured it out.”

  • sport

    5 season of mistreatment with 3 teams isn’t enough apparently. :/ When does he just learn he needs shoot first pass and pass second?

  • leeda harun

    same goes for the hornet too.

  • leeda harun

    They have to let kobe do whatever he wants for the last time.

  • occupatio

    also bc beverley came back from injury

  • leeda harun

    He already made history and more to come.

  • Joe what do you know

    Learning as in business dealings and negotiations. When it comes to on-court tendencies, he is what he is. Nothing much can be changed.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! That’s the plan….plus they want to loss so perfect match. LOL!

  • CJSHYY

    No one wants to come…

  • james brown

    LOL!!!!

  • After watching the extended highlights by Jun Liu, I got the sense that Lin was in the mode of facilitating today because he wanted to empower his teammates to move the ball. He wanted to “train” his teammates to keep moving-the-ball ala Spurs.

    He could actually had taken more shots if he wanted to:
    – [3:34] Lin drove and passed to Frank. He could’ve tried a layup after passing 2 guys. Frank bobbled the pass since he didn’t expect the gift but managed to gather it and lay it in.
    – [6:13] Kemba passed to an open Lin at 3pt line after Lin’s man wanted to double him. Lin could’ve shot a 3 but saw an open lane to drive inside. He could’ve forced a layup against Hawes man trying to cover him but saw Hawes got open. Hawes couldn’t finish this time.
    – [6:31] Lin drove inside drawing his man & Kemba’s guy. He saw Kemba wide-open and returned the favor to pass to Kemba who made them pay with a beautiful 3. Kemba celebrated by low-fiving
    – [6:49] Lin drove inside and got fouled. Kemba ran all the way from 3pt line to help him up along with Hansbrough. Frank was also there. This is a real team that cared for JLin

    These are textbook Spurs plays to give up Good-Shots for Great-Shots to empower teammates. I can see why JLin chose to build trust in ball movement so his teammates will be ready to receive his pass and finish next time. It takes time to build chemistry and trust. These times might not be successful but over time, JLin would be successful to instill his brand of play of moving the ball in this young team

    As fans, we wanted JLin to score more points but it’s important for us to understand that JLin had a chance to play his game to building an identity to keep-moving-the-ball like the Spurs. It’s not easy and it takes time but he’s willing to do so because it will pay off in the long-term (i.e. playoff). So let’s trust JLin that he knows what he wants to do because he has the liberty to play his brand of basketball.

    I wasn’t happy with Coach’s decision in the Cavs game but I have no problem this game because JLin had the freedom to play his brand of basketball. He didn’t take the easy way out to stat-pad for himself but he wanted to build a real team in the long-term. I will fully support his decision to do so.

    Overall, I see better interior defense and teamwork and improving camaraderie among the Hornets. This will help them to get higher playoff seed in the Eastern Conference

    Let’s be patient, fellow JLin fans. JLin knows exactly what he’s doing. He was in control of what he’s trying to do on court. I wish he could score 3 more pts to get more PT but other than that, I respect what he’s trying to do.

  • Dorothy

    Psalm, I hear you, but why Lin looked so unhappy then?

  • Maknusia

    Charlotte Hornets – Jeremy Lin Treatment by Steve Clifford Baffling-By Greg

    The last two games for the Charlotte Hornets have shows a worrying trend regarding Jeremy Lin and his treatment at the hands of Steve Clifford, although in such a long season, sometimes trying to make too much of just two games isn’t the right approach.

    But Lin has played the fourth quarter in almost every game this season, or at least most of it. If his benching in the win over the Washington Wizards can be explained by having a bad game (scoring 5 points in 15 minutes), probably his worst of the season, there was no sense of throwing him out of it in the fourth quarter in the loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers. While Lin wasn’t having the game of a lifetime, he was making the team better, and one turnover resulted in him going to the bench, and the team falling apart.

    Lin isn’t the whole team. Nicolas Batum is an important part, and so is Kemba Walker. But those three are the guys who usually handle the ball and create stuff for themselves and others. Jeremy Lamb also dabbles in things other than scoring, but he should stick to shooting and finishing alley oop lobs from Lin. He’s not a great floor manager or passer, and in the few times he tried and lead the second unit by handling the ball the Hornets looked bad, and never returned to that.

    But as we’ve written probably 50 times over the last four seasons, Lin has things a lot of other NBA players making twice and four times his salary don’t have. Besides his improved long range shooting (something of a slump lately) and much improved defense, he has fantastic passing skills and vision, a constant drive to the basket approach that always makes a defense think and get disorganized (if there’s help from his other teammates in motion away from the ball) and there’s that unquantifiable flair aspect which usually belongs to players who are stars of their teams.

    And when the Hornets signed Lin for a steal of a contract, it seemed, at least from the words of Michael Jordan, that they know how important he can be for them. And in an inconsistent way, especially with P.J. Hairston not playing, Clifford shows he thinks that too. This isn’t a case of a head coach who almost openly resents his own player like Byron Scott and to a lesser degree, Kevin McHale. Clifford doesn’t seem to be out there to hurt Lin’s career. Which makes the last two games and the overall approach of treating him differently than other players so difficult to comprehend.

    This is a long season, and a couple of games of being dropped in the rotation hierarchy doesn’t always mean something in the long run. But if it doesn’t, it shows some bad instincts from Clifford regarding what works and what doesn’t for the team, at least in the Cavaliers game. He showed creativity in the win against the Kings by using a shooting sorta small-ball lineup to win that game, and went a whole different direction in the loss to the Cavs, for some reason punishing Lin for one mistake while allowing others to get away with theirs. For the sake of the team’s season, he needs to make better decisions in these moments.

  • Spot

    This team has nothing to do with the Spurs. Maybe bench can look like because of Jeremy but this team is selfish.

    The only one who could run Clifford’s offense stays on the bench.

  • He was actually quite happy smiling when he made FTs in Q2
    Even in 3rd quarter he was happy after assisting Kemba for the 3

    I’m sure he’s not happy when he doesn’t finish games because he’s a competitor but overall I think he’s happy about being able to play his brand of basketball.

    Personally, I’d want him to be more ‘selfish’ to score 10pts by Q4 so he can finish out games. It’d be truly selfish to deprive his teammates of missing his presence if he makes his coaches think that he’s having trouble scoring. But we know JLin is quite stubborn to play his ways. I hope someone in JLin Team can tell him about being unselfish enough to score more =)

  • This team is very young so they don’t have the Spurs identity yet. It takes time to do so.
    That’s why I see JLin tried hard to keep moving the ball to teach his teammates to do so.

    I see some fruits when Lamb and Kemba passed to JLin in this game. This is very encouraging development since I’ve never seen that before.

    Jeremy is like a coach on the floor. He just needs to make minor adjustment by scoring more so the coaches are not afraid that he can’t score at end of games. Sometimes JLin is too unselfish trying to feed his teammates like in this game.

  • CJSHYY

    Bc he got benched again in late 4Q….

  • CJSHYY

    Can’t agree more….LOL!

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin’s season in Hornets will be up & down all season…. smh!

  • DX

    Like what you said, but Lin isn’t a coach. He must keep his play level first. It will be useless if Lin only play less and less minutes, especially the time plays PG.

  • Briiick

    “JLin is quite stubborn to play his ways”
    This is why I have been following his games for almost 4 years.
    Don’t change yourself, don’t play like Haren, Walker, and Kobe. We like correct basket ball not circus.

  • I agree. JLin is stubborn that way to sometimes over-pass
    He needs to copy Nash who knows who to balance scoring & passing.

    His tenure in Hornets is not secure yet so he needs to build trust with coaches that he can always score but choose-to-pass. He needs to have 10pts & 3-4FTs by Q4 in order to ‘persuade’ coaches that he is needed to close out games.

  • DX

    So far, Lin is lower than his career average points. Don’t even mention assist numbers.

  • DX

    Totally agreed. But it’s so difficult when plays with Kemba and Batum. We can see from these a few games. Most of Lin’s stats came from when he played PG.

  • LinMad

    Lin’s ASSISTS PER 36 has taken a big drop this season from 6.4 to 4.4. This is the lowest assists in his career. It’s funny how some Hornets fans are trying to compare Batum’s assists with Lin’s assists per 36 and saying that Batum is better facilitator than Lin. Yeah, Batum has 4.5 assists per 36 but that’s only cause he’s handling the ball more than Lin. When Lin is on the floor with either Kemba and/or Batum, Lin is not the primary ball handler. And so, almost half or more of the playing time that Lin gets he is not even the PG. Which sucks cause he’s only playing 15-22 minutes in the past few games.

    If you want to compare who is the better facilitator, you should compare Lin’s last season (even though it was with the Lakers it was a better opportunity for Lin as PG). I think Lin can easily get 7 assists per 36 if the coach actually empowered/trusted him as PG. The only good thing this season is Lin’s pts per 36 but now that he is playing more defensively like the coach wanted, that’s going to drop soon too. If Lin can no longer shoot or facilitate at a fair level, he should leave Hornets immediately cause if both his pts and asts drop heavily, that is career suicide.

    If Batum and Kemba wasn’t handling the ball so much when Lin is playing, Lin could have been a 17p and 7a player like I predicted awhile back.

  • CJSHYY

    Don’t know bc they want to sign him cheap again or what? They just don’t give him the playing time & chance…. D12 in Rox too. This is his contract year for option out or not in Rox.

  • Steppen03

    “Coach, you want me to go out and be 4/4 or 4/5 shooting before I’m approved of a bigger role ?? But I need my rhythm too and more ball in my hand ?? Do you think Kemba will be upset if I get his spotlight, coach ?” asked Lin. I like PFV. Always. But no way will Lin thrive playing like this – 5 min here and 5 min there with no PnR, no PG plays, no set plays… Basically, Cliff just want Lin to be plain SG not a combo guard.

  • LinMad

    “The last two games for the Charlotte Hornets have shows a worrying trend regarding Jeremy Lin”
    ^I just wanted to point out that it has been more than 2 games that has made me worried about Lin. He has had quite a few games actually that were under 20 minutes. I would say about 5 games. And I don’t know how many games he’s had where it was in the low 20s.