G17 MIL @CHA Game Thread

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I haven’t seen jlin play well in the day game.

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This is old picture, right? The hair is different.

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Collison #Shaqtin

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yes, it says back during Tag Heuer ads making

I just checked JLin’s FT attempts vs MIL last year.
It looks quite good with 6-6 and 5-6. He got 14p/6a and 11p/6a

For some reason, JLin got lower FTs with CLE last season too (0-0 and 2-2) possibly due to the big men & their defense.
I have higher hope JLin can produce more when he can get a lot of FTs tomorrow.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4299/year/2015/jeremy-lin

I’m done with the Hornets, hope they lose EVERY single game in which they shortchange Lin for his blue collar work on D.

Nothing wrong with being a role player, in fact Jared Jeffries and Shane Battier are very good players who are selfless and good at what they do. That being said, playing Nash Jr. like Jeffries or Shattier is a crime.

Ironic.haha!

Exactly.

Same as me. But I still hope Hornets can get into playoff. So Lin can have more chance to showcase his talent.

Lin’s career stats is 11.7 pts and 4.7 asts.So right now, Lin really just play average.

So MJ and Clifford often talk the day after games ..
After the big loss vs CLE, I wonder what MJ told Clifford on what he liked and didn’t like.
I hope MJ meant what he said about JLin being his biggest summer acquisition so we’ll see positive change in this MIL game

Steve Clifford: Michael Jordan has perspective most owners don’t have

“He’s great,” Clifford said. “We talk quite frequently actually, usually the day after games and things like that. He’ll tell me what he likes and doesn’t like, but the one thing where he’s great is, one, he knows because he’s very knowledgeable about our team and our league, and two, he always says, ‘You’re the coach.’Michael Jordan has been majority owner of the Charlotte Hornets since 2010. Grant Halverson/Getty Images

“There are things that we do that I feel we’ve improved on because of input I’ve gotten from him. But he’s great. I’ve said before, coaches ask me all the time, particularly when we meet, you know, ‘What’s he like really?’ I think he may be the easiest owner to work for, and because he has a feel for what four [games] in five nights is, what five in seven nights is, I could give you five or six examples of situations where things have gone badly, where he — because he played — he’ll call and be much more reassuring than, ‘Why did we play so poorly?'”

Clifford, who received a three-year contract extension from Jordan earlier this week, gave a specific example of Jordan offering his support last season.

“Last year it was [our fourth game] in five nights, we played Golden State, we were up six early in the fourth [quarter], we lose,” Clifford said. “We’re down 36, I think, in Atlanta the next night. [Jordan] called the [following] morning, and he said, ‘I could have told you we’d have nothing left. We put too much into [Golden State].’

“I’m just saying not many people, let alone owners, would have that perspective.”

Link: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14238772/charlotte-hornets-steve-clifford-says-michael-jordan-playing-experience-makes-easiest-owner-work-for

“Yes” man.

Native

I have one thing was not really clear and would like to ask for help from people who knows basketball better.

http://on.nba.com/21m4rVF

So this is the turnover Lin had yesterday, which looks to me almost like Lamb drive in to grab the ball from Lin cause the turn over, even Cav commentator was talking about Hornets bump into each other caused the lost ball. To me, I just totally don’t understand what Lamb is trying to do there, his move looks really ridiculous to me there, there is no lane for him to cut and he basically blocked any room Lin need to move around.

However, I looked through some game thread and see no talk about this turn over, and looks like people kind of think it is normal, just Lin lost the ball. Am I missing something?

It was a weird play, I agree. Thx for the link to clarify it.

One thing for sure Clifford is great is in Lip Service.

Haralabos Voulgaris‏@haralabob

.@MikeTrudell I just watched a player making 25m chuck shot after shot. Don’t force two nightmares on me.

https://twitter.com/haralabob/status/670860739259719682

heh yes.

lamb isnt too bright about making himself available for a pass. but in this case, maybe hes crashing the boards bc he expects lin to shoot, and then gets pushed. seems weird if he is cutting to expect a pass with his trajectory.

well, looks like Lin was about to pass it out to Zeller who was cutting in the right angle and without Lamb, there is very straight forward hand over or shot pass there And it was already kind of crowded inside with Zeller, Kaminsky inside, Lamb don’t really need to crash the board, and there is no lane for him to crash the board there.

He wanted to make sure Lin doesnt score there so he remains the top scorer off the bench lol jk but he never passes back to Lin hes looking to shoot everytime he gets the ball excpet when hes playing with the starters then hes a nobody

McHale played Jeremy in the right way in the first games (especially the one vs Atlanta). Then something happened with Morey saying Lull is perfect Harden’s backcourt partner.

McHale played hard to Jeremy to make him a better player. But, to me, it wasn’t McHale who created that situation.

Anyway, it is what it is, it’s the past and let’s face the present.

Milwaukee has some good shot blockers. lin better get his jumper going early.

Maybe a lowly 8th seed.

What I don’t understand about nba politics is the end game. Isn’t the end game about looking good. What makes owners look good, GMs look smart, and coaches look brilliant?

Winning! Winning solves everything. So why not win? What makes losing without Lin so much more beneficial then winning with Lin? The lack of vision just smacks me as illogical and stupid.

Do you need league pass to watch it? I couldn’t watch it.

Better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than a fool bent on folly.

to be fair thus far (except for the example of the final quarter of last game which no one but lin fans acknowledge) this season the hornets have been able to win (or lose) pretty much irrespective of lins contribution.

most of that has been possibly due to ease of scheudle. once they hit a tough patch in dec/jan i could see them losing 6 or 9 even starit. well see then if changes are made.

imo the key factor (AT THIS TIME) is the fact that for the first time in his career he is not playing point guard the majority of the time.

My grouse against Clifford is quite specific. Kemba and Lamb have been playing much better (compared to past seasons), especially when Lin is on the floor with them.

There are 3 main explanations for their improvement.

1. Kemba and Lin magically became better players this season.
2. Clifford’s coaching has suddenly made them better.
3. Lin has been spacing the floor, drawing the defence, playmaking and also doing the dirty work on defence.

It is quite clear that Clifford is believing in Option 1 and 2 above. That is why Kemba is getting monster minutes and Lamb has supplanted Lin. You can call it not giving Lin the benefit of the doubt, lack of trust or just prejudice. Unfortunately Lin has been going through this his entire career.

Omer Asik magically started averaging double figures on offence. Parsons improved overnight. Rockets returned to the playoffs led by a former bench player in James Harden.

Still, Clifford is not worse than McHale but that is for another post.

McGee does not look back fondly on his Washington years. “It was a real negative situation for me,” he said. “I’ve always been blessed to be able to go somewhere else positive. You definitely learn it’s a business. Even if it’s people ahead of you that’s playing that’s not better, they make more money than you, they’re going to play. It’s not anything personal.”

–javale mcgee in boston globe

Kinda sad, the state of this board now. Go to RealGM and they are much more confident about Lin playing and playing well there as the season progresses. But the issue remains of Lin’s production. One of the members there said he’s not producing like thought of. I really find few on Charlotte’s boards compared to Lakers and Rockets who don’t want to see Lin play more BUT Lin could play much better as well. They’re waiting for it and confident it can happen, but we aren’t?

Lin has to earn his playing time. How he played in previous seasons doesn’t matter. On the Hornets and on any other team he’s going to go to he has to earn it. And Charlotte now is deep, so there are other guys that produce. I didn’t agree with Clifford at all in the Cleveland game the they lost. That’s all that matters. Put Lin in and things might get better. Clifford is not a stupid man or stupid coach. He’ll analyze what happened. Do we have to keep on and on about how bad Charlotte is for Lin and such? The same Charlotte Lin carefully chose because it had Silas and he liked Clifford? I guess so. But here it is a new game and new possibilities and 16 games and the board is very negative and very “sky is falling Chicken Little” because Lin’s playing time dropped the last 2 games.

as far as JLin earning playing time some stats that confirm he has earned #30Minutes
Cumulative through 16 games the ON OFF offensive/defensive and Net Ratings…

Jlin has the second best Defensive rating behind Kaminsky at 96.5 when JLin is on the floor. the Def Rtg drops to 103.4 when JLin is off the floor ( meaning the team is holds opponents to 96.5points per 100 possessions when JLin is ON the Floor and gives up 103.4 points per 100 possessions when he is OFF the floor) Defense baby!

The team does slightly better on Offense when JLin is off the floor (103.9 while on compared to 105.1 when off)

however the NetRtg shows the team is 7.4 points per 100 possessions ahead when Jlin is on the floor and only 1.7 points ahead when he is off the floor. for comparison look at Kemba Walker’s net ratings 2.7 points ahead when on the floor yet 8.5 points ahead when he is OFF the floor. meaning team is better when he sits!

Cody Zeller is a mess and should not be on the floor! just sayin’

last game…. on off ratings hmm wonder who should have been on the floor at the end??

He has to do it to the criteria of the coaches and we have to look at negatives. I really think it was the type of turnovers Lin made that annoyed Clifford, not the fact that he makes turnovers. But that’s only a theory, I don’t know. I ask the board to look at some of the negative stats for Lin and negative tendencies. Charlotte is trying to win games. They have players they prioritize and Lin isn’t in the top priority, although he’s a priority. See their decisions from their point of view, not everything from Lin’s point of view because that’s not what is in play.

I think we just end up going nowhere when we talk of playing time so much. The only power Lin has to do what the coaches want and I think they are reasonable. I don’t think this is Byron Scott or McHale, I think if he produces what they want, not what we want but what they want, he plays. If one of the things is not have turnovers on drives, then he has to make some adjustments and maybe Clifford isn’t happy with Lin not making the adjustments they’ve discussed. There’s really a lot we don’t know in terms of what was reviewed on tape and what any player does.

I don’t know if stats are enough. Weller is probably the most effective big man when you watch the games. Al is for awhile but defensively and offensively, Zeller is the best big man.

if they want to win they will put their best players on the floor for long minutes… Jlin’s net Rtg indicated he should be on the floor longer. 5 man lineups indicate that as well. The game is played on both ends… yep his shot is not great right now but his defense is more than making up for it. and his shot would most likely be better if he was given more like 30 minutes a game. stats indicate he has historically been better at the 30 min mark.

Zeller’s stats are horrible. cumulative and game by game he stinks it up. I tried looking at his stats and throwing out the games where he had dehydration issues even then it was bad.

just zeller game by game…

Watching all of the games, they don’t win some without Zeller. These stats can be misleading. It depends on who plays with whom, some of the stats can make PJ look like a star. Zeller is a good player for the Hornets. I agree with you, he’s better at center and without Al.

I have put up stats take ’em or leave ’em

Honesty about bias is still bias

Honestly, I don’t think it is the matter that coach don’t want to play Lin, it is more of coach want to play Kemba or Batum or Lamb. Lin was the after thought.

You could see coach was testing things out. Like play Batum the full 1Q, then play Kemba the full 1Q, then play Kemba the full 2Q, or play Batum the full 2Q. Get Batum completely taken over when he was playing with 2nd line up, then let Kemba to completely take over.

All these, has nothing to do with Lin play good or not. To me, looks like coach like the way the second team was playing, and trying to test who would benefit the most in that second line up. Looks like it was Kemba. Since that second line up got the good reputation, and defense start to focus on Lin and Lamb, thus leave Kemba enough space so he could cash in. It worked for the past two games.

oh, sure, that’s always the case. That’s why I really don’t like some Lin fans try to push an agenda holding one number, and not completely understand what does it means, that could pull out a lot of other stuff you don’t really want to see.

Especially when the number don’t agree with eye test, and especially when the number are coming from small sample size.

Stats are double sided sward, one really need to know how to use it and when to use it.

Wu Kong, this is not target to you, but I had an discussion with somebody else couple of days ago when I was picked at putting anti-Lin numbers out.

Yes, not a target to wu kong. I don’t intend it that way either. It’s just how I’ve seen them use. They need a story and context and yet most can be countered.

There’s nothing interesting about Clutch. He’s the only person who has ever blocked me on twitter because I came down hard on what type of biased unprofessional condescending so-called administrator he was on his site

Definitely Kemba and Batum. Kemba is what he knows and trusts and Batum is producing well. I’m not as sure about Lamb. Lamb gets chances but Lin has replaced him a lot if we look at the game totally. Lamb needs to be developed, Lin not so much, so we have to remember that.

But when coach wants to win, Lin has been the guy that needs to be in there. He’s in there most of the time, not all of the time. And when he isn’t, they usually do’t do as well. I also think Kemba may say to coach, Lin gives me more space because he takes pressure off me. He’s sure said that publicly.

The best players on this team is Williams,Batum and Lin w/o one of these players their team would be a bottom feeder.

LOL…..ok…..#youpplofnofaith….

Is it sustainable for Kemba? I doubt it. I can see Kemba going into old Kemba at times and it is Batum that saves him from himself. I also think Kemba is logging too many minutes and will becoming physically fatigued.

Ba tum may be more steady because he seems to not rely on shots falling but making good decisions and he has a good chemistry with most players. But not perfect, he has his share of TOs as well. Probably the most in the team. Some of them will come in crunch time so he may turn out to be the reason the team loses some games because of them. But overall, I think he will sustain his level of play.

I think Jeremy is a high risk, high reward player who has a bigger upside. But he has more rough spots in his game than Kemba or Batum, I hope Clifford follows his original plan of using the 3 together a lot. That will help them win the most games. No other 3 will work as well.

Yup. His bias was so clear but he was also quite obnoxious about how he treated anyone that had something positive to say about Lin while backing the most extreme anti-Lin people. But he’s history thankfully.

Your thoughts on McHale are head scratching. Yes, he played Lin right for that one Atlanta game, something like 42 minutes, and a Boston game, and then he was right back to using Lin off ball and playing him unpredictable minutes.

I don’t know why we have to revisit McHale and I in no way support how he treated Lin. He was horrible to him. So what he occasionally featured Lin, he mostly marginalized Lin and dismissed Lin as a player mostly calling him a nice kid.

This could also mean that Lin and bench is better than most opponent team bench.

yes if Lin only played against other bench players… but he plays with and against almost all the players…

If we look Lin’s individual stats, we would find he is usually in top 5 of the team. But If you look team’s lineups stats, you would find he almost always in the #1 lineups. The reason is simple. Lin can make lineups (team) perform better than individuals by more than just scores. He can create shots for teammates, he can blocks, steals, rebounds. It is hard to find those contributions from his individual stats, but it is not hard to find he is always make his lineup the best.

The last lineup could be Cliff’s dream lineup, LOL.

How about telling Lin he would play his game and ending up standing him in the corner
or saying hes a lock to finish the game but giving him <20mins instead?

In some of your posts, you seem to hold Lin to a different standard of performance. Comments like “Lin has to earn his playing time” or ~his decision making needs improvement.

Of course EVERYONE including heavy minute players like Kemba and Batum have room for improvement. Yet they don’t seem to need to EARN playing time.

Batum is playing superbly. Kemba is having a strong season. On some of the Hornets forums I point out issues with both players, especially when they say Batum is perfect.

He’s also had awful shooting games and so has Kemba, but neither have been required to earn playing time

so what is it you think Lin has to do to ‘earn’ play time?

https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/671020237412802560

Hey Brent, has there been an videos of Doc actually teaching Lin to shoot? His stoke is definately off now. I mean massively off. The rhythm and timing is so off I’m actually worried.

So here’s the deal. When I taught the service motion in tennis, I was quite the maverick in that I taught the function first and allowed the form to shape according to the musculature of the student. I taught from the throw of the racket up to the ball first and made them throw as fast as possible. In tennis speed equals power. I’d say most if not all pros teach the form as an integral part of the throw, thus a lot of pros have similar looks with deep knee bends. I don’t believe that it’s absolutely necessary to have that perfect form to serve well, if the student can’t time the sequence properly to use his body to add to the power of the throw. For example Stan Warinka won the Austrailian open beating Djoker and Rafa on the way to the title has little if any knee bend. Warinka has a very big serve that helped him beat a lot of people.

I’m wondering if Lin needs to just be placed at the foul line and have him forget the form and just quick release shots. Have 2 guys keep forcing him get the shot off and not worry about how many goes in. This may in fact achieve his quick release goal while forcing his body to become more efficient.

so seriously all the stats above do not prove he is worth more play time? gotta have time to run the offense as PG…

CHO is supposed to be the stat guy. How can someone miss these glaring stats to play the worst lineup at crunch time.

I don’t agree that it’s all Clifford because I just don’t believe he wants to ruin his reputation by losing.

12 4 4 in 18-21 mins……own the back-up position….you never know what can happen. H*** jkidd is starting OJ Mayo and Bayless today for Petes Sakes …. Bayless lol

And this says jkidd is in control of the Bucks….Clifford doesn’t wield that power with MJ in the background

Lol, he’s preparing properly to have starters face Lin instead. Smart coach.

Thanks Brent, this is analogy I can totally understand, and not just because you are talking about cake.

Sigh:

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671032968576704513

Actually when Hornets win without will make it harder on Lin and be further marginalized. It’s a roller coaster w/Cliff slow-to-change attitude/habits of a coach. There’s a guy on twitter attested to this fact, who had been watching and examined Hornets and Cliff’s coaching over the years.

Lin will be gone next season. Cliff needs to prove to his boss that his chosen lineup works…well, just average.

Boring

BC they lost to Lin last year.

Kidd has the balls to bench MCW and start Jerryd over him because MCw has been a disaster and Jerryd has been phenomenal
Lin can be in the same category as Bayless but he will never be treated as fairly as him in charlotte because Clifford isnt the coad that Kidd is, hes just another clown

Jeremy’s a Chinese guy among prototype nba players, they don’t see him the same way bc of ethnicity

I’m not arguing against playing Lin. I’m weighing what Clifford is the coaching staff is looking at. I’d play Lin 32 minutes most games and close every game regardless of his TOs or stats. But I’m not Clifford.

I just find it hilarious that the Rockets have a projected wins change of -12.1!!!

They are the only team with a change in double digits and too bad it’s in the WRONG DIRECTION LOL.

a previous post listed them both as “probable”.

There’s a big difference between Mchale and Clifford. Mchale lied many times to Lin and the media. How’s about that OKC game when Linscored 29pts and Mchale told the press that famous “Jeremy, we’re trying to win here. Scoring 29 while turning over 9 times is just no good”. That was an outright lie. How about lying to Jeremy that he was experimenting about starting lineup and that Beverly and Lin would be rotating starting in the beginning of the season. That was an outright lie as well.

Mchale systematically found ways to put down Lin at every opportunity, no matter how well Lin did. Mchale changed the perception of Lin and ruined his reputation. How you can think Mchale was honest is beyond my rational thinking.

Clifford at least has not deliberately lie to the media about Lin’s contribution. He’s always said positive things about him. Since arriving in Charlotte, Lin’s reputation has been trending upwards.

so was yao he was one of the best bigs for a while
well respected

You never know what can happen. Anyway I’m off to watching Juventus. See you later 😉

Take the chance. You never know when Lin will break out and have that overdue big shooting night.

I don’t even care to say the obvious

And he got fired because of it. It will take a very very brave coach to promote Lin.

Batum with two Turnovers already. Does he get pulled?

nope he gets 30+ minutes a game no matter what

3 already

that was ONLY reason Cliff would pull Lin out.

Yes, but the offense is no better

hornets are worst than the bucks without Lin. honestly

Wait till Lin leaves next year

Zeller is in

One of Bucks commentators said ‘Spike Lee now it’s ‘Spike Lin’. Like that!

I am totally enjoying the game so far LOL

And still in the game!

hornets without Lin are just last year’s hornets

Exactly

Lamb needs Lin. It’s so obvious here.

Still no Lin

YEP!

yup…Batum couldnt get it moving as well…and 4 TOVs

he’s not gonna put Lin in there to prove himself wrong

maybe he read the complaints from Lin fans and got mad

whos we? I only support Lin
not a fan of the team lol

So what, don’t worry about that. That’s thin skin if he does…

Always around 2min…

continuing on from last 8 minutes of cleve game lin-less

He is the only one who is keeping the game alive

Damn, Lin is w Kemba.. smh!

Kemba will keep playing 40 Mins.

Batum and Kemba with 6 and 7 points but Hornets still losing and FO and Cliff treat them as their star players while the real one who should be treated as the franchise player is stuck on the bench until last minute.

Too bad, so far Lin has not touch the ball yet… as usual. smh!

1st Q near end but Lin has not touch the ball yet… smh!

Lin just shoot the ball lol hope for the best

No. He should just coast man… screw this team…

Lin sets up Lamb beautifully. Lin/Lamb is best combo when Lamb is on the court. Lin left Bayless open, not a good idea but he may have been told to help there.

Hornet fans say it’s okay that PJ gets to start cause he gets low minutes each game but have they even seen Lin’s minutes the last 2 games? It’s less or close to PJ’s minutes and Lin is not starting.

1 ast. for Lin. No bad.

Lin gets the Ast for the last Lamb’s shot

Put on your seat belt. It’s going to be a roller coaster ride w/Cliff’s slow-to-change/adjust in-game, rigid, pre-scripted coaching style. There’s a guy on twitter attested to this fact, who had been watching and examining Hornets and Cliff’s coaching style over the years.

Assist #2

2nd unit > 1st unit

Lin in Hornets catch up. But nobody but Lin fans notices.

almost assist. good pass.

damn just look for your own

This line up is much more fun to watch , even my grandma said so!

33333333333333

Grandma is always right 🙂

Great D

Jeremy is on fire!

Lin showing his playmaking skills

Hope the bench gets at least a 10 point lead before Cliff puts in the starters to lose it.

Ya! Bc Lin they come back …. Great!

No matter how this season goes. Lin is showing he is getting better offensively and defensively

michael is asleep i think.

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671051713185488898

https://twitter.com/At_The_Hive/status/671051606234783746

5min, 3 pts. 1-1, 3 asts. WoW

PR but I RT.

ya i thought it was 4 too

lamb got fouled on transition bucket

Always someone ask why you believe Lin. That’s why?

Talk about shooting slump.

I can’t believe Cliff drew a play for Lin but Hawes made a bad pass

Go Jeremy!

This is how you lead a team!

Wonder why Lin was smiling when he shot the earlier Fts?

Lin smiles because he is playing his style.

Hawes can’t handle Monroe. Lin and Lamb come in to help shut him down. Monroe scores when one on one with Hawes.

Checked stats Lin got 7 points 3asts and Hornets got the lead! Go JLin get your stats!

You just know he will.

+12, that’s good

Don’t even need to watch the game to know Lin’s playing his style, got 7 points in 8 minutes needs to keep scoring!!

https://twitter.com/i_am_angeli/status/671053597652688896

well Cliff left Lin in

Walker in party over.

more like Batum. Kemba did well first q

Big difference when refs are fair and call fouls when Lin is fouled (as KHuang has been saying)

No more play making for Lin.

ofc Batum gets the shots

Lin needs to stop overhelps in the paint.

He made the FTs didn’t he? lol

2 fouls aaaaand he’s out 🙁

watch the bucks take the lead soon

coach obviously allows it. It’s probably coach’s strategy too

Batum 5 TO. No biggy, keep playing

the games slowed down every time the starters comes back in

Why sub in Lamb? Lamb has 2 fouls too why took out Lin w/ 2fouls? That was a phantom foul on Lin!

Gave up 6 points that way. Don’t know why Lin does it too much. That’s the only part of his defense that’s been a problem.

Lamb has no fouls

That’s Zeller not Lamb

I hate to watch when the game is catered to the starters….rather JLin sits

Kemba came in and messed up everything (on D). Can’t Cliff give Kemba some breaks?

Lin is only allowed about 10 min in 1st half, whether he got fouls or not

I wish. smh!

That’s why many gave up watching the games just checking box score and waiting for highlights.

guess you are right

I think Kemba is too short. Rebounds suffer.

The announcer said the game slow down!
Yes, the old school coach thinks the good flow and leading is biting him n he needs to change the rotation!

There is no equal treatment. Kemba, batum and lamb are part of star manufacturing process. Teams need stars to make money

Why Hawes didn’t shoot…

Wouldnt go that far Lin isnt a real star
but hes good enough on that team to play 25+mins and get plays called for him

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671057383498653696

ya..what do you expect Batum do? no time to take the shot. haha Hawes is painful to watch..

did Batum get that TO?

That is why i dont like this coach, he is not trying to continue the smooth game flow n scoring but just choke it with his fix rotation!

The hornets promoting Lamb so hard its disgusting
He’s only 7mil/yr like chill
hes good but he aint that good…ijk
thats not true hes pretty good
poor mans ray allen or K-Mart
I can see him go 18-22ppg if he starts but his face reminds me of patrick beverley lol

i during the start (Q1)…they were not calling for Hornets…couple of fouls…went without the whistle

disgusting indeed!

Kemba didn’t need to come in so early. Cliff’s subbing and rotations need work. He’s overplaying Kemba. Lin was doing great running the offense, should have kept the flow.

https://twitter.com/BSimmons25/status/671058747352051716

Ido is pretty intense huh? ..

no, shot clock violation is a team TO, not on player. Batum is still 5 TO

Cliff is fine with Batum’s 5TOs. In the meantime, Jeremy Lin got punished by two fouls which was just byproducts of his superior defense. After 15 games, I just realized that Cliff never interned to protect Lin from foul out. He either punished him for fouls or use it as excuse to minimize Lin’s minutes for Kemba or Lamb.

Oh! I thought he had 4 TO….

What happened to AL Jeff? missed the start of game

https://twitter.com/Hornets__Nation/status/671059404268113920

That’s the reason why sometimes I’m feelin’ under

BF1 getting it done.

Cliff’s Can’t deviate his pre-scripted game plan. Can’t make in-game adjustment quickly…according to a guy on twitter who has been following Hornets and Cliff for a long time.

the real question is
is Hawes even a quality player?

Lol!

not unfair but its not optimal for him and not what he was promised

Yah they can only get a scrub or a rookie in return
so Lin has to demand it or when charlotte decides to tank

Jlin to rescue these morons…

Starters always in the negative. Take Lin off the team and This team goes back to last year

How come I’m not surprised that Batum isn’t out with 6 TOs? Cause he had a game with 7 TOs before and wasn’t pulled out.

I prefer them lose this game without Lin’s help

As Lin fans, we want Lin to return to Linsanity. Which team do you think can give Lin the role that he has right now? Hornets have no good reason to trade Lin. Walker has history of injuries and MJ proclaiming that Lin is his “most important acquisition”. Hornets would not give Lin away unless it’s for Curry…Just kidding.

Nic needs to sit. Not his night. Time for Psycho T and Clifford should play Lin big minutes in the half.

Don’t get it wrong Hornet fans, it’s the coach’s decisions making Lin fans hate the Hornets. The same unfair treatment.

Datum has 7 TOV and Kemba 2

Batum 7 TO now

Do not bring in Lin to rescue them

Lin comes to the rescue, again? This starting line up is pathetic.

The magnificent PJ 360 spin shot

Team looks pathetic now. Need Lin now, not at the 2 minute mark. Now.

Lin was about to go in but then someone told him to sit?

I’m actually enjoying starters keep losing lead wo Jlin ?

That was God- Let them Learn my son.

same here and hope clifford has the guts not bringing in Lin

He is the savior. The 6th man

Every game but the old school coach never adjust!

Walker -13, Lin +11.

Kemba jumper missed the whole basket. 1st team so out of sync. Put in JLin now.

Lin still sitting

Only if he’s PG. If Walker stays in and hogs ball maybe not.

ok this coach is not coaching at all

https://twitter.com/CNM_JLin_Vids/status/671064502276890625

still no Lin i see

What’s Lin stat now?

Psycho T will probably be in foul trouble soon.

Already.

1:30 left in Q3 for Batum

assist 4

Lin in leads up!

Let Walker sit. I want to see some Lin / Hansbrough PnR.

I am worry. Batum plays bad hope Cliff will not let Kemba w Lin in early 4Q….

That’s for sure… smh!

OT plzzzz ?

https://twitter.com/hornets/status/671067355322163200

Can someone tell this guy at ATH that he’s got the numbers wrong. He’s trying to say that Lin’s minutes has been normal so far:

”

it’s been pretty normal so far actually

Comes in 3 minute mark, plays 11 minutes 1H. Comes in 4 minute mark 2H. Doesn’t seem confusing to me.”

He didn’t come in at the 4 minute mark lol. He came in at 1 or low 2 minute mark (I forgot)?

What’s the score I’m at work

Yes, i noticed that long ago. Talking about Kemba a great leader and no jealousy? LOL

Can we just see? The negativity here is too much sometimes. Let’s just see what happens.

wow… the refs

65-61 Hornets
lin 7/4

Ty psalm

Thnks heart

Kemba chucking alert

Yank him. 3rd foul

Yeaayyyy

Thnks sws I’ll watch the replay

Does Cliff try to kill Kemba?

Ouuccchhhh

Jason Kidd is putting 2 defenders on Lin…

In the fog of coach thinking must play Kemba no Kemba no win

next play for Lin

When is Kemba going to rest? He will injure if the coach loves him that much!

Psycho T!

Sit Walker. Let Lin get a 10 pt lead then he can come back.

Kid knows who is the best playmaker! Putting 2 defenders on Lin!

Hey, but he has Clifford’s blessings…

Why he’s still on ? Damn it.

Me too. only 3 shots? smh!

Hurray Clifford.

lot of movement but very poor spacing …not good for JLin to drive in

Whether Lin gets his minutes or not, Cliff will always find ways to marginalize Lin. Like putting him next to another ball handler like Kemba or Batum.

Many other teams doing the same things to Lin

Thank God Kemba sitting so that he rest his body!

Yay!

Batum gets it…

8 TO Batum LOLLLLL

Batum 8 TO?

8 TOs..

Bate cookied

8TOs still keep going at Batum
real good coaching smh

He needs to sit! He is killing the team!

And his TO occurs always at the most crucial building momentum moment!

Think Cliff will ever let JLin play with 8 TO?

Forget Batum. Jeremy is playing well on D. Stil in the game.

no

Walker back, what was that 1 minute?

Why? smh!

Lol

Lin would not even get that far.

Lin needs to DEMAND the ball!

9 TO for Batum

JEremy only playing D?

Kemba in Lamb out

9th TO

Batum may have a double double when this game is over.

Replace Batum with Tank!!!

All NBA defensive team ^^

JLin is smart…draw that foul

foul magnet Lin

no charge?

Lin just shoot man!

almost a 10th TO

lin should keep taking charges with that back
also needs to be more aggressive with batum having a bad night

Maybe Cliff is telling Lin to shoot. He seems to get the ball and just pass it. Make stuff happen.

JLin should stop passing to Batum…his airball and poor last sec pass could be Batum’s 10 and 11 TOs

Be Clutch 🙂

He is not really going for the ball. Idk why but he has an issue with that as a SG

Batum. You can get a double double! Let’s go!

step it up LIn. 4th quarter belongs to Lin

Clutch the Bear…

in a way by passing to Batum, Lin is exploiting Batum as a bad ball handler and Kobe like shooter

Notice guys/gals, Cliff allows Lin to stay in is for his D not his O for KW and Batum to make baskets… Only time he gets the rock is last seconds…KW & NB control the rock…

Lin out. Ok time to lose

Go Bucks !

Ok.

What Lin out? Coach is full of it. Let’s go Bucks!!!

LOL expect a loss now.

i see clifford likes to lose

GO MIL!!!

LOL seem like everyone has the same mind.

Lin does not look happy

Yeah Batum misses and then fouls. Come on bucks. Yes tie game.

Lin not happy even when Batum made that 3.

keep giving the ball to batum

Lin tried to give Batum a low-five but Batum looks away.

Kemba walker hugged Zeller n Batum like lover but didnt pass any ball to Lin, so obvious!
Game is not over yet, dont celebrate too early!

Jealous and threatened by the Asian guy of course. No matter how you look at it Hornets are not a real team, both Walker and Batum only care about themselves. Lin needs to do the same thing, everyone is out to be the best.

Lin did all the dirty work drawing 3-4 fouls in the 4th quarter. Yanked!

JLin needs to shoot when he gets the chance.

OT plzzzzzzz?

They don’t give him the ball to take the shot… smh!

Left Lin hanging there. Lol. He’s trying to fit in, but no one is paying attention.

again lamb in and not Lin, Lamb is being propped up to be the next hornets star. He is playing better than Lin, I’d give him that. But Batum…yeah…ok.

Lin benched even though he’s plays better than Batum and Walker and threaten’s their starting spot.

Zeller being classy.

Hopefully he’lll be motivated to play better and take more shots , not be such a passive player who tries to make coach happy with defense.

because his “stars” sucks

I hope the hornets keep winning like this…until they think they can do it with out jlin…after they traded Jlin away….reality going to hit.

He was happy 2nd quarter when he was making shots and assists until he was benched again until 7 minute of 4th without closing the game!

Cliff: I need you to warm the bench.

Its clear the Hornets are only catering to Walker, Lamb, and Batum. I understand Walker, he is their franchise pg. The Hornets are trying to justify the Lamb extension and they are trying get Batum to resign with them in FO. I know its early, but I don’t see Lin being a Hornet next season.

Lin Really played 5 more min only for today… smh!

Promises not kept.

anyone but Lin. that’s always been the case, everywhere

Lin was passing Batum the ball. Lin needs to look to score the minute he gets a pass and not pass back out to selfish teammates! Learn to ice out Walker and Batum when he gets the ball just like they are doing to him!

sure, for someone not believe in Lin anything Lin did could be pulled, but Kemba, Batum now Lamb can do no wrong, including 9 TOs LOL , Life is not fair, is it???

Lin doesnt look happy at all lol
Thats my boy hope he stops playing for the team
rather starts playing for himself

Byron is worst and its not even close

Worked all night. Went to sleep at 7am. Woke up at 11am to waste my time watching this game. Now I will be sleep deprived for work tonight. FML

JLin +10 and Kemba -9
guess who is the real hero?

Thats why his ceilings are a good role player
he doesnt believe in himself

That means nothing. Really hate this team.

hopefully Lin will be traded to a different team. I can’t stand this anymore.

Lin isn’t too happy ….batum is now the new Turnover Machine

Yep thats why Lin isnt a star and just a good role player

It’s not a matter of fairness or not. Life isn’t fair. It is what it is. If he has to do more, he’s capable. So, it’s up to Lin to just be more assertive.

I don’t care how many times Hornets PR or media mentions Lin to try to sweet talk him into staying. Coach and FO obviously has a different agenda in mind and Lin isn’t in the equation. It’s Batum, Kemba and Lamb.

This was a good game for Jeremy
Back-up strong stats…needs to make his shots and will get 22-25 minutes a game…led the team with assists…

On the other side MCW a 10 ten pick with less minutes and benched for Bayless….the league is a fickle one. Just play your role well and that’s jermey right now.

Most posters here only see Jeremy but there is a league full of players in Jeremys position

He’s only passive when Walker is at PG. He’s quite aggressive but playing team ball in the rare minutes he’s the only PG.

Yeah could totally see it. His celebration when kemba and batam hit shots at the end looked half-hearted.

He can if he’s more selfish and looks to score every chance he gets! He needs to average 20+ PPG and take 13-15 shots every game before people see him as a star. That should be his goal every game. No one is just going to hand him the ball and let him be the leader without high scoring to go with it.

I’m pretty sure next season there will be a lot of options for Lin.

Okay guys, it’s official…I truly believe this team and situation is by far the worst situation for Lin.

Clifford don’t even trust Lin to play point-guard since he barely plays there and plays more than half his minutes as a shooting guard waiting in the corner…They don’t even run plays for him.

What is also alarming is the fact that Kemba is playing close to 40minute every night…Wha’s the purpose of having a high-end back-up point guard like Lin if he can’t even get 11 minutes to play PG?…At least, he got more than that with Lakers and Houston.

What also bother me is the fact Lin did very well facilitating as PG in the second quarter and Charlotte had build a nice lead of 8 point…Lin had at least 4 assist in that quarter…So why not let Lin facilitate more in the second half?….Instead, Clifford kept Kemba in, even to start the fourth quarter.

Now, Kemba has played well this year and is shooting very well, but he’s still not getting enough assist and facilitating much…After Lin’s first half of 4 assist and 7 point, I felt Clifford should had given him more minute as the facilitator, but it doesn’t look like he trust Lin to even do that since he’s obsess in playing Kemba 40minute and that leave no time for Lin to facilitate.

Anyway, they won today, but after Lin was taken out in the fourth quarter, I got very mad because Lin barely got to touch the ball and do anything…that is after he had a great first half.

I’m officially among the ranks who believe this situation is by far the worst for Lin and I’m just hoping Charlotte would trade him if he can’t even get decent minute or even get 12 minute as the main point guard.

https://twitter.com/Sportige/status/670981268784459777

He makes it such a close game …otherwise JLin would have blown out the MIL

you can shut up too.

Lins career is going down hill real fast. Although his skill are better. Which is frustrating. His is better but his stats keep dropping. His minutes keep dropping. I think we have seen the best in Lins career. I don’t think he will ever get the opportunity to do more. His stats this year will be at or worse this last year. His threes will be better and all the other advance stats. Like i said last game i have lost all hope for Linsanity 2.0. Lin all continue to hope from team to team getting even less opportunity.

he drew the fouls in the 4th. that is assertive.

What I’m saying is, even if he is more assertive, they won’t look at it. They ignore this. They ignore his effort, they ignore his scoring, they ignore his defense. First half, he was assertive. Second half, he sitll didn’t get the respect. Sure Cliff is experimenting, I’ll wait till ASB, then I’ll start labeling Cliff. Right now, I’m just stating my observations.

This is every year I’m tired of the articles. Lin chose Cliff. Its over.

Just checking: this is the sweetness and light site, right?

Kemba isn’t the only one keeping Lin from being a PG for a team. It’s also Batum. This is a season to forget.

No, you did not miss anything. 🙂

JLin out-smart Jason Kidd…MIL strategy is to get Hornets big into foul trouble early…JLin took out their big guy at the end.

Not a peep about Batum’s 9 TO’s only how he and Kemba saved the day… *sigh*

Notice how towards the end when Batum stops handling the ball and just spot up shooting he did really well. Why can’t coach let batum do that all game while Lin handles the ball. Also I don’t get why Kemba and Batum were both in with Lin towards the end. Coach doesn’t trust Lin one bit at the PG position.

No PNR with kemba makes it hard

you have nothing but negative comments on anything anyone says. it is obvious.

Lin kept passing the ball with 3 seconds. Too much stat watching. He should take a few games off to reset.

Funny, Hornets won, yet five starters have negative +/- expcept MW has 0: PH -13, AJ -8, NB -8, KW -9

Only reason Lin played those 4 games with 28+ min was because Hairston was injured. Now that he’s in starting lineup again, Lin will play around 20-25 min a game. If only Lin could only get those extra minutes from Hairston, things would be different.

Lin and the bench did their job and got the lead. Psycho T got to play and helped. Starters finished the game and won.

if this were my site I would have you banned. but alas it is not. so snipe away at everyone and pretend you are a fan as you denigrate every comment. you are so obvious.

More like 15-22

Lin barely gets 22 minutes. Hornets are dumb to think that Batum would stay. Once he gets his stats he’s bolting to a bigger market team. And with this horrible treatment Lin would not stay and they will lose.

not surprising….Cliff wants to show that the starters can close the game and win….at the expense of the bench.

https://twitter.com/PeteGuelli/status/671078802710241280

We knew Hornet’s agenda….Kemba the Hero…

ya and I have the feeling coach wanted to yank him earlier

The coach is developing injuries for Kemba n Batum without resting them enough

Hornets Exposed!

It’s not about Bench vs Bench. The problem lies with Hornets starters vs starters!

Lin was drawing in 2 defenders. Why would Cliff take Lin out?

Imagine jlin had that kind of freedom…. Smh

What? No drama? Suppressing and breaking promises to someone who gave them the discount to play his game? He’s being used and abused…SMH! There’s no excuse for this. Hornets are using Lin’s popularity (Rox template) to bring attention to their small market franchise and building up ‘fake’ stars.

to make Kemba and Batum the heroes

bench force one is kinda catchy and has a ring to it, but where’s the association with the hornets in that name?

https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/671076972731199489

Only allowed to add 5 more min for today. Plus Lin was not allowed to take any shot… smh!

Thats what I’m saying yet you seem content with that role while I’m completely disgusted by that role

No Lin, No Win… Huh, got lucky today. “CCliff, what’s the meaning of pulling Lin out the final 2 min for Lamb ??”
Given: NB is the ball handler from now on besides KW. NB wants to be “the man, the hero.” Unselfishness IS not a word to describe this Team (not NB & KW, Al, at least).

he drew the fouls in the 4th. that is assertive. what do you expect him to do punch Kemba and steal the ball? his stats PROVE he should get more playing time you ignore that try to continue saying he needs to EARN his minutes. you are fake and I am tired of you. Your clutchfans pants are showing and you should pull them up man. maybe even some suspenders are in order.

maybe, the season is not over yet.

No sure, remember Steve Kerr never had good things to say about Lin when he was a commentator?

Yep yep

him playing with iggy, klay, livingston, ezili would be awesome

Lin as floor general, takes what the defense gives him. He may appear passive. But this season, he’s played his best as PG. There’s just not enough minutes. IMO he has been assertive and aggressive. But You can’t have him force the lane or take a shot every time. Lin is too intelligent for that. As PG, it is also his job to get others open and pass the ball. I’m just saying that what Lin has done, he should receive credit and minutes.

this^^^^

I rather JL7 plays for 76ers with 30+ min than this Hornets.

Unless the anointed ones are injured 🙂

Maybe Lin should stop trying to give the franchise a reason to trade him this december

i hope he becomes more like Ido

The only way to end this is for them to lose 5 straight games

He needs to earn his minutes in this NBA, not any ideal one. Stats or no stats, that’s how it is. We can’t change that. And most of Lin’s improvements that need to be made are in approach more than anything else.

More than Linsanity will happen!

I want hornets to make it to the playoffs so Lin can get Playoff experience no matter how little minutes. At some point, Lin will prove to be a nightmare matchup for the other team. It will force Cliff’s hands to put Lin in. Call me an optimist LOL!

He can buy out his contract but his agent need to work

You’re still hoping on Cliff???

Ido is annoying in his very own way lol

He bashed BS and McHale but why giving CLifford the benifit of the doubt lol
hes been the worst so far

yup. he lost all respect when he has to stretch things make a point. really, there’s no reason for clifford’s poor treatment of Lin. NONE

I will start labelling Cliff after All star break. Its still considered a new team. Sample size just isnt large enough. Every night you’re playing different teams, and have different match ups. Some people here believes Cliff is still in testing phase. So, I’m assuming this to be true until ASB.

lol true. and i just caught the honeycomb shaped dots

To me, it is more like whoever said good things about Lin may not be trustful, but whoever said bad things about Lin is definitely not trustful.

Saw your tweet. they will continue to do so i can guarantee

Hasbrough won’t get run and I can’t tell in this game if he is a good PnR big for Lin. But KHuang says he is. I just can’t tell from this game.

Batum got 33 minutes with 9 TOs while Lin gets 22 minutes with 4 assists 0 TOs.

that’s the sweet talk I’m talking about. The Hornets media will put Lin on a pedestal but when it’s game time, Lin will only get limited minutes. I know everyone else sees it and acknowledges that Lin needs more minutes, but FO/Coaches have a different agenda for Lin.

Guys, Lin wants the hornets to win. If Hornets starts to lose, it would make him sad. What’s worse, locker room will become toxic. That’s not going to be a good environment. It’s better to have Bench Force One to continue to get the credit when Hornets win, compare it with BFO does well and Hornets lose.

I don’t believe the BFO hype. It’s just another way for the Hornets PR/Media to do damage control for not playing Lin enough and giving him PG duties.

Whatever Clifford said to Lin did not make Lin happy. Look at his reaction when Batum and Kemba made the shots. It is so unlike Lin and Lin was so happy for the team win when the season first started. Not any more. Go figure yourself.

Hope is what keeps most Lin fans following him. Without hope, we’ll stop watching. I’m hoping on Lin and Cliff to work it out.

CHA vs MIL on off stats… Coach got very lucky with his choice to end the game. nothing about his choice at the end was logical.

JLin huge impact on the game…

Right. So he has stop excel more. He’s a minority in this environment. He just has to excel more. It’s annoying but that’s his reality.

The problem is not Cliff, it’s Kemba.

ya but that doesn’t change a thing for Lin. He’ll still be marginalized.

I don’t know about Lin wants the team win any more. When the season first started, Lin was really happy when team win even though he did not close the game. Not any more, if you saw his reaction when Batum and Kemba made the last shots. I believe Lin realized he is being lied by the coach and FO again.

i when lin plays with kemba, he’s literally playing as a spot up 3. notice he’s hardly ever on the weak side up top. it’s always batum or lamb. any kind of play draw up for the weak side would be for batum/lamb, NEVER lin. this has approached worst case scenario. you have the corner standing and short leash of the houston days mixed in with the paltry minutes of LA.

GSW or bust. replace the brazilian blur with some linsanity.

Well if the team chemistry/locker room chemistry starts to die, we all know who’s fault it was. #cliffordmarginalizinglin

I feel like a broken record…. But here goes….IMO: The bar has been moved from preseason, to 10, 20, 30 and now to All-Star. Yet, each and every single time the outcome of Cliff’s mistreatment on Lin is the same. The promises to Lin have not materialized since the beginning of the season. Where’s the promise to let him play through his mistakes. Letting him play his game? Let alone close out games? Where are the consistent role and minutes? Can’t you see what’s happening? Hornets/Cliff are not letting Lin shine right nor allowing him to get great stats right now. The purpose of suppression is about All-Star Fan Vote. They can’t have Lin be voted in knowing how popular he is. With great stats, they know he will be an All-Star this year for sure. They want NB, KW or AJ (he’s hurt, now it’s Lamb) to get great stats for All-Star Coach Voting Justification and to justify their contracts/potential max offer to Batum.

clifford got really lucky this game. he put the game on the line to see if he can win without Lin and it failed in the past. he’s not gonna get lucky when they play against non-lottery teams like the bucks

Yep, he will not be vocal about it, but he is transparent. Lin fans who have followed him long enough can tell by his facial/body expression.

we’ll probably see a verse from him soon

I think players care less about Lin being marginalized but do care injustice, unfairness in the team. Like what happens in Houston.

there should be a poll on where people thinks Lin chooses to play next season. i got the GSW

But does he roll?

That hope was in preseason. Not now.

very good point. but also, remember the owner, Peter Guber is a huge Lin fan and he was really pissed that they waived Lin and Linsanity happened

Kemba is playing way more minutes than usual and a lot with Lin. I think that impacts 2nd half production negatively. What’s the solution? I don’t think he can sustain playing close to 40 minutes a game as he has. Why is Cliff playing Kemba so many minutes?

Yes, that will hurt team chemistry for sure.

to injure him so Lin can start?

I think it’s too early to say that. But if things continue like they are now, he won’t be back. I don’t see this build around Lamb. Lamb is productive, but he’s not used like Kemba and Batum are. He’s being developed in a normal way. Lin is a different type of player and he’s essential to the strong bench. But he’s supposed to be more than just the leader of the bench.

LOL

yeah. i don’t exactly see the logic in it also. i don’t think clifford likes Lin at all because he loves PJ, Lamb and Batum

Oh look Hornets won and no post game interview by Lin. Batum with the 9 turnovers gets to though.

hahaha, we have seen this too many times at Lakers and Rockets.

No, in Rox & Lakers they always gave Lin interview no matter how bad his stats looked like but not Hornets. smh!

I’m an optimist but a realistic one. Once I see the truth, I do what I can to expose it. No more excuses from me and move on.

There will always be a silent hero on a team.

Knicks playing Rockets.Go Knicks. Only two games I root for the Knicks, against the Rockets and against the Lakers.

Ya! Kemba. I believe Hornets do want Lin back. I think Lin will not come back … Kemba allows Batum to handle the ball but not Lin when they both on court together. This is going to be a long season. smh!

disagreed. clifford is stabbing Lin in the back

Even Batum rather made a turnover instead of passing to Lin…

I disagree greatly. What train has passed ?? Other stars’ maybe… Not Lin. I still have great faith in Lin. He’s young. He’s like Nash, more skilled as seasons past. His true abilities will shine and a team would make him a Starter for their franchise and he will have a marvelous run that prove people wrong All Over Again.

Ya! I didn’t see Kemba passed any ball to Lin in early 4Q, he rather passed to Kaminsky or missed shot but Lin…. smh!

Oh that’s a tough one. I guess for the Lakers to win as that would devastate CF’s. Then Lakers can lose all the rest of their games without any additional encouragement.

remember how cliff asked pj to be a defensive stopper? i think he thinks the same of lin. put him in for defense, maybe a lil offense. bench got the lead? put crappy starters back in for the glory… win and its the starters, lose and it was a tough/close game. starter’s +/- all -? +/- is a bad stat….

everything is illogical. so it must be political. i guarantee when all star talk arrives, there will be a push to put kemba’s better stats as the reason for this teams success. then batum, then lamb. heck frank will be a reason before lin…. it is what it is….

the only difference is PJ doesn’t exactly play good defense. so, clifford was just saying that to PJ because he loves PJ and let’s him start. or maybe clifford knows that MJ loves PJ. but anyway, like you say, it’s all politics

thing is Lin probably has a better chance making all star on 15 minutes than Kemba, Batum or Lamb at 30+ minutes per game

Bobby Marks‏@BobbyMarks42

With CHA tough stretch of 5 games (GSW,CHI,DET,MIA and MEM) possibly without Al. Lamb/Lin duo proving to be early 6th man candidates.

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/671089262188711937

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@BobbyMarks42
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Duh . . . Too obvious.

I am sure they knew Lin was not happy… he will not stay ….

https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/671088490013196290

I heard Batum’s 9 TOs converted to 16 points by the Bucks or something.

That’s why opinions are easily manipulated from ill-informed or misinformed fans and fans at-large who only give credence to Coach’s decision and don’t carefully examine the politics behind his decision.

And the hornet’s bench outscored bucks’ bench 35-15. Hence the close closeout.

Can you please stop with all this “Lin to GSW” rhetorics..Lin has stated he wants bigger role….What part can’t you get when Lin says he wants a bigger role?…Do you think playing 12 minute per game is big enough for Lin…If you think so, than you think very little of Lin,

It really angers me when I see supposed Lin fan wanting him to go play with GSW….Lin is 27…He’s good enough to get 25 minutes…He’s at the very least, a high end back-up point guard and under the right coach, he could be a starter that could average 15ppg and 7assist……Why would anyone want Lin’s career to go die playing for GSW?

Please, enough of the “Lin to GSW”…Lin can chase rings when he’s 32…Now, he has to seek playing time so that he can get better as a player…I still haven’t lost all hope that Lin could improve enough to become a starting caliber PG and possibly an all-star.

Playing for GSW would end all these dreams.

If Lin is not smiling, Tyler should be crying or fuming. Lol Tyler had good impact on the game with his 3 minutes of PT. Impressed. The guy should get about 5 minutes of PT every game for tough D when the opponents are tired out.

yup. and the funny thing is that all of the hornets fans believe what clifford feed them just like how the rockets fans believed the lies mchale told them. PJ has never played good defense in the past and the stats supports this

anybody notice how once al got hurt, cliff put hawes in? zeller hadn’t played many min at that point. what was he doing? saving the better player for the starters and sabotaging the 2nd unit with the craptastic hawes…. lucky for us psycho t got some min in the second half…

wasn’t Zeller kind of injured before this game?

NBA star making.

Foul

that’s what I’m talking about!

Cause when Lin is on the floor it’s either Kemba or Batum controlling the court. I think Kemba has the right cause he’s been with the team and he is a PG. However, Batum is new to the team and he’s trying to take everyone’s role.

pj is ok. not a stopper but he tries. you can tell he really does try. anyways, the point is that lin plays exactly like pj. all out defense and get a shot or 2 when you can on offense. ONLY in the 2nd q when kemba has to rest does lin come alive. and lo and behold, the bench is GREAT. but in the 4th q, we cant have the bench play too much, starters no matter how bad they played need their minutes and stats… all politics…

and the 2nd chicago game

Hellooo, fellow JL7 fans,
I’m just as distraught as you guys…. Bull Crap: “biggest acquisition of the season.”
Just hang in there, be by JL7’s sides and fight this battle with him. It’s NOT over.

What has Hans contributed so far?

we’ve been doing it for years. Lin will either leave Hornets or the Hornets will have to give him a fair shot if they want to keep him, his viewers, his fans, his money/popularity, his skills, etc. The less they play Lin or the more unfair they are to Lin, the more backlash Hornets will have to face. It doesn’t matter if they win or lose.

MJ was just pandering to Chinese media.

looks taht way now. Before I thought he really supported Lin cause I remember Cliff played him very low minutes and the next day when MJ was sitting on courtside, I think Lin got to play a lot of minutes. But then, I think it had to do with Kemba getting injured.

It felt like NB was set up to be the hero in this game. All his TOs were overlooked by Cliff and still got set plays to get his scoring up. He was allowed to play through his mistakes. With Cliff’s long leash/trust that’s why NB was able to pull off that 3 to extend the lead. If that 3 didn’t go in, it would have been an ill-advised attempt in the last moment of the game when they still have the lead. To me that shows low bb IQ once again and he got lucky!

He does pick up fouls very quickly. Wish we could see some Hansbrough, JLin PnR. Perhaps with Jefferson out we could see it. I don’t think he will do well against Ezeli though. Maybe after GSW game.

No. Screw hornets.

No, it’s better to keep these comments here. Would create a lot of backlash from Hornets fans.

that’s fine. Lin is leaving them next season anyway

do you not realize there is literally no coach, no gm, no team willing to give lin true opportunity? cliff WAS the “right coach” lin literally said it himself. but actions speak louder than words. cliff said he knew how to use lin, and yet every game he stands in the corner, not on the wing like a 2, but literally in the corner like a 3 or stretch 4. how is that using him correctly? look at lin’s face on the bench. the joy is gone. even a week or so ago he looked ok, but now he’s realized the truth.

at least on GSW 1.) he’s home 2.) he’s on a true contender 3.) he may get the same 15 minutes on a championship team 4.) he can make the most of whatever minutes he does get, ie play pg and not in the corner. 5.) all eyes on this team, so people will see he’s a damn good player 6.) he’s a talent augmenter, he will make people like ezeli look good and assist good players like iggy 7.) the faster style suits his game

Time for Jeremy’s agents to start move him or something. Sixers are without a PG, problem is they don’t want to win probably.

Or we should hope for a miracle next year. At least Lakers used Jeremy to pad stats…

I don’t think it is to deny Lin, Kemba will get his anyway. So, for Kemba to pad his stats sounds feasible to me.

I agree with Zcode, I don’t want Lin fade further into the background in GSW. Its as simple as that. Lin is impactful of the bench, in Hornet’s world, no one can deny Lin’s impact on the bench. Unfortunately it doesn’t translate to more minute.

lin also led the lakers to having the best bench in the nba for a while. it’s no coincidence this bench force 1 thing exists, yet no one except us will care. the crappy starters will get all the credit for the wins…

Will happen with GSW and Bulls next.

lin was acquired for business purpose. They put him on marketing. MJ is a good businessman.

Also, best backcourt duo in the east is Lin/Lamb LOL!

Short of playing for MDA, I don’t think we’ll ever see Linsanity again. Charlotte has found their SG in Lamb. They value Lin as back up to Kemba. If Lin is not happy with his role, he’ll definitely look elsewhere next season.

Bucks win 3 out of 4 Q, but the difference was already made in the 2 Q by the bench with Lin! Bench bails out the 1st unit!

If we’ll see him close the 4th from now on,it means that someone got injured

but he played when it mattered, with the starters. cliff couldnt let the 2nd unit keep the best big. had to trot hawes out there…

what opportunity has he got? none.

well at least he’s active right?

Before being taken out, I thought Lin was overpassing and not taking shots as the 24 secs clock was winding down. I wish he would have drive or take the shot when the ball was in his hands. I guess, Lin wants to promote team ball.

Lin should have shot the ball..he was open..but hesitated and passed..

yeah, he should have been more aggressive but that was no reason to bench him

The last shot is reserved between those two tonight.

So it makes sense for him to be happy under 12 minute sitting on GSW bench as opposed to playing at least 20-22 minutes for Charlotte?

Lin, himself, stated he declined to play for GSW because he would be of no importance to this team…I doubt going back home to be a 12 mpg guy, would make him happier than Charlotte.

Frankly, I’d rather he stays with the Hornets than play for GSW….There’s always a chance Kemba could revert back to his 37% career FG which could lead to losing games and Lin could be given a chance…

With GSW, Lin will be buried deep on the bench..He’d simply be Curry water boy..The guy who bring gatorade cup for Curry so he can drink..LOL

NO ONE SHOULD THRIVE TO BE CURRY’S BACK-UP…YOU KNOW YOUR CAREER IS FINISH IF YOU BACK UP CURRY…THIS IS WHY ONLY OLD POINT GUARD AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER CHOOSE TO BACK CURRY.

So what happened to AJ now. Any news from his injury? Is he ok?

it’s like clifford was trying to find some sorry excuse to bench Lin but Lin doesn’t like to force shots unless the shot clock was winding down

Agreed. I think that’s Lin’s attitude. But his fans have different expectations of him….They want Lin to be Curry every night.

or they finally acknowledge that Lin fans are angry and hurting the franchise

I think he will be out a few days, taking MRI

I guess he was not assigned to have O that’s why…

I heard that Lin can buyout his contract. How is that done? If he buys out his contract he can go to another team?

c’mon you’re always making excuses for clifford’s horrible treatment of Lin

At this point, I want my fav team GS to blow the Hornets out of building by 20+ points!! Let’s GO, WARRIORS! KW & NB gonna have most PT anyway…

I think next year Lin should just go to whatever team lets him be their starting PG (assuming there will be such a team and THAT is a big if). Lin’s strengths are not shooting guard requisites. Lin’s strengths are distributing the ball, attacking the basket and controlling the tempo. He NEEDS the ball in his hand.

Jeremy cannot create his own jump shot. He is a catch and shoot guy or shoots coming off a screen. He can’t shoot off the dribble. He doesn’t go straight up vertically to shoot over defenders (please don’t try to refute that by using his fadeaways as an example).

He’s been mired in bad systems for four years now. He should forget about fitting in or even looking for a contending team. A contending team likely already has its core in place, so where is Jeremy going to fit in? How much time is he going to get? Jeremy will be 28 yrs old I think. He’s got to find a team where he gets MINUTES AS A STARTER. I don’t care how bad the team is. That is the ONLY situation where he can display his true value.

whatever, I’m tired of you and other’s whining. Clifford is the coach and holds Lin to a different standard than others. My stating that is not giving an excuse, it’s stating it. So drop it already.

obviously things can still turn around, but im under the assumption that this will continue all season. if that’s the case, then 15 minutes for GSW is worth more than 20 minutes standing in the corner for hornets. yes lin THOUGHT that he’d have more opportunity in charlotte. cliff TOLD him that. but do you SEE it right now? cant say what happens in the future, but if this continues, where’s the opportunity?

being curry’s back up is no insult. standing in the corner for kemba IS…

Even with MDA nothing is guaranteed. It depends on the players and organizations. It’s not like Steve Nash got to play his game with the Lakers, did he?

Do you think Lin’s role will expand? I think it might, but I don’t get playing Kemba so much. Takes too much playing time away from Lin as PG? And it’s happening in the 3rd/4th quarter more and more,.

i’m not whining. i’m telling it as it is. but you’re making excuses

Yes. Agreed. Everything has to be aligned for Linsanity to happen again. But given the lead role and playing MDA offense, Lin will excel. New Orleans has no PG to lead that offense. Lin would be a great fit.

Man…. Yes the situation is far from ideal. The treatment of Lin is appalling. But what is there to be gained for both us fans and Jeremy himself the way we are b-itching and moaning, SPECULATING what’s going through each players or coaches mind purely based on their facial expression, then making it into a little role play scenario? Heck, just by looking at Jack Nicholson’s face I will think he’s always plotting to kill some random guy on the street….

This forum has become so filled with dark, negative, pessimistic rants. When negative emotions gather together it will only form bigger gloom, and that will somehow find its way to affect Lin because this website is one of his dedicated fan website…

I mean no personal attack on any individuals, but rather is wanting a collective effort from all of us to channel more positivity to combat this ever growing dark energy looming this forum. It’s perfectly OK to express what you think, but before you hit the “post” button, take a deep breath and think whether if you’re still filled with anger after typing the negative rant. And please also try to tone down your words so they don’t appear to be so negative.

Please, every effort counts. Let’s bring more positivity to this forum and Jeremy.

that’s the problem. you’re listening to PFV who is making excuses for clifford. plus, you don’t know what clifford wants from Lin. so in fact, you’re making things up

not cool. It will affect JLin too..

It hard to say what Cliff is thinking. They have invested heavily in Kemba. Unless Kemba gets injured, I don’t see Lin playing more than 20-25 mins/game. Now that Lamb has shown what he can do (and the big contract), he’ll cut into Lin’s minutes at SG. Prior to the season start, I thought, Lin would get around 28 mins at PG & SG. But now, his main minutes are as Kemba’s backup, his role is definitely reduced.

only for 1 year. it’s already toxic for Lin anyway

He’s playing alongside Kemba a lot. Lamb is proving he plays best with Lin. He’s not as effective with the others. Clifford seems to be sticking with the 2 PGs but Lin is not playing as a PG. He doesn’t alternate with Kemba and that’s the biggest problem with me. He needs more touches and both he and Clifford need to see to that.

the entire bench needs more minutes.

i doubt Cliff will allow Lin to tear up the Warriors. I predict some lousy minutes first half like 5 minutes so Lin does not get in the rhythm for second half. Then that gives coach a reason to yank Lin out in the 2nd half early when he misses shots or gets TOs.

well, he isn’t much of a realist when he has to stretch to find a reason for clifford to bench Lin now is he?

one thing to look for going forward is to see if kemba starts the 4th. if no, then that means bench force 1 with lin as pg gets to play. if yes, then look for lin to stand in the corner. kemba will need some rest eventually, but he will undoubtedly close out so look or lamb to finish and lin once again go to the bench.

lin is no longer mr 4th quarter. he’s not allowed to do anything but stand in the corner these recent 4th quarters. lin is now mr 2nd quarter. thats the ONLY time he’s guaranteed to be pg nowadays…

I’ve been saying your first sentence since when linawasaindalakers..

“Jeremy Lin had a nice performance despite missing a couple open shots, helping to move the ball, especially late in the first quarter when the Hornets faced their biggest deficit of the game. He’ll need to start shooting more efficiently for him to warrant extra playing time (without an injury to a backcourt player), but the second unit has been ganging up on opposing teams all year, and Lin’s a big reason why.” – ATH

I disagree. If you’re only making 4 field goal attempts, 3 misses is nothing when you are going to the line and scoring 100% free throws, defending well and making more assists than the PG who got 40 minutes in about half the time.

good
well deserved

Being in the offensive flow would help, but there are possessions where he literally doesn’t touch the ball at all.

That’s why Hornets wins don’t necessarily benefit Lin. Some people are dazed by Hornets wins clouding their judgement by overlooking the implication of Lin’s plight.

And the owners are laughing all the way to the bank.

yep.