G16 CLE @CHA Game Thread

After 4 consecutive games with 28+ min (28, 29, 29, 31), JLin got into foul trouble (2nd PF after 5 min in Q2) and only played 15 min. After a hot start, he provided great defense with 2 blocks in Q4 but lost the nice offensive rhythm in the 4th quarter. JLin simply doesn’t have a lot of luxury as a bench player with limited min to not scoring enough or committed too many fouls too early.

  1. Would JLin repeat his hot start (5pts in 5 min) without getting into early foul trouble?
  2. Would JLin figure out a way to play aggressive defense without fouling much?
  3. Would JLin find ways to be aggressive in the offensive end but not commit offensive fouls?
  4. Would Coach Clifford realize he needs to keep a hot-shooting JLin to not get cold by sitting too long on the bench? He simply needed to insert JLin early in the 3rd quarter vs Wizards when a tired Kemba made many mental mistakes
  5. Would Clifford run enough plays to keep JLin involved so he can contribute big time in the 2nd half?

This is a tall order because JLin is a rhythm player. The more he plays and have the ball in his hands, the better he will play and shoot. But if anyone can figure out how to survive this challenge to be a better player, JLin has proved he can overcome them and get better over and over again. Let’s go, JLin! Relax, be your aggressive self & just play your game on matter what happens


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Guess JLin's stats in Game 17 vs MIL
  • NONONO

    Ha

  • Oh @disqus_k2FjNlkcus:disqus, the Empire Strikes Back!

    =)

  • Rick Johnson

    He’s lucky it was only a one game suspension:

    https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/670300122010353664

  • sws94

    LeBron had a team-only meeting so look for the Cavs to come out determined. I think a full team effort is needed tonight and hopefully, Lin is on his game. Maybe this is the game he breaks out of the shooting slump.

  • Briiick

    Hopefully the coach will allow Lin to facilitate and keep him on the floor long enough. But I know Cliff won’t let Lin shine for two consecutive games which is similar to his previous coaches in LAL and Rox.

  • Rick Johnson

    Why did they have a team only meeting? Is there some issues going on with the Cavs? SportsFromMyEyes mentioned some turmoil.

    SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 3h3 hours ago
    No updates from shoot around from coach all is well. I wouldn’t be shocked if Charlotte beat a Cleveland team in turmoil.

    https://twitter.com/JTyree704

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    This would need to wait for the off season, but I wonder why Lin doesn’t have Lasik surgery to correct his vision. Someone once posted that Lin wears glasses only for fashion, but that can’t be true. I assume he’s nearsighted. When I used to wear contacts I noticed that my vision would be affected by the humidity level of the air. Lebron had Lasik done in 2007 and it’s been argued that his shooting efficiency improved as a result. I wouldn’t be surprised if Curry had 20/15 uncorrected and Lasik can get you there.

  • NONONO

    My thoughts about the comparisons on Clifford, McHale, Scott regarding Lin and Hornets winning chance tonight vs Lin’s minutes.

    1. Scott’s plan is to tank Lakers for 3 seasons to get 3 top 5 picks. Any Lin’s good skill was only considered to threat the tanking plan. So, I would not expect they treat Lin nicely when Lin wanted to win . I could not believe he blamed Lin for losing games. They would not keep Lin because Lin could not play with a losing team. So, forget about Scott.

    2. McHale wants to win. He might believe Lin was good PG. But he had to use Beverley’s well known defense to offset Harden’s iso+weak defense style. So He sent Lin to bench, but Lin still had avg 29mins and played a lot of PG role as backup. He might never say anything good about Lin, he did not say much bad about Lin neither. McHale got what he deserved this season after he spoiled Harden for 3 years.

    3. Clifford said a lot of good things about Lin. He knows Lin’s true value MORE than McHale did. But, unfortunately, he has used Lin like a game saver or game changer only when Hornets is in trouble. He does not reward him with the role (pg role and minutes) Lin would like it and deserve it. Lin’s minutes would sink when Hornets winning chance is up during the games. The only reason I could think of is they treat Lin as one year rental. So they only need him as a backup with NECESSARY minutes.

    Hornets’ best chance to win Cavaliers? I believe Cliff knows Lin’s true value more than I see from the following data. He will still use Lin as game saver (or a spark) with as few minutes as possible instead of using him as consistent role player or true backup PG. I wish Clifford would reward Lin a consistent role which Lin deserves before 12/15.

  • JJ Hui

    6th!

  • GoJLin!

    7th, JLIN’s # :), Go JLIN, GO!

  • BobbyH

    May the LinForce be with you.

  • Spot

    In Houston Jeremy was the 4th option after 2 future HOF and Parsons.

    Here he’s the 4-5th option after 4-5 players no one will remember.

    That’s the difference. But if it’s good for you and good for Jeremy, that’s it. But that’s reality.

  • 1mtoldman

    the issues would be i would assume general unhappiness with 3 strait road losses and a losing road record overall. also it was not defined as a team only meeting by for example mo williams who framed it more in terms of general post game talk over

  • Briiick

    Good work ! Cliff may let Lin shine in a game to win but will likely marginalize him in offense in the next game to avoid overtaking the spotlights from Walker and Batum.

  • DX

    Please don’t judge me, would rather lose if Lin can play more minutes and have better game.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Lebron and the Cavs better not mess with our Honey Bees tonight or I’m gonna be pissed!

    https://youtu.be/aDvspP1HUCM

  • kauaiblue

    Thats pretty rude… the cavs coach shouldve told the players to let them finish

  • kauaiblue

    Im with you DX… want jeremy to be given a solid chance and for clifford to keep his promise!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Yeah right! It’s Lebron’s bright idea. Coach wouldn’t dare say anything. Love looks very uncomfortable standing there

  • sws94

    Lin isn’t satisfied in losing effort regardless of how he plays. It’s just empty stats. It’s only good unless it is really, really close. But, I don’t want to see the team win without key contributions from Lin either. But losing is no good. Didn’t feel good with the Lakers even when he played well.

  • Joe what do you know

    Wow…. Now that’s just not what gentlemen should do…. Not cool Cavs..,

  • PETE B

    http://www.popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20151125&game=WASCHA

    Lamb’s min included Garbage time
    the hornets have half the team new players, old Hornets learning new offense
    Starters all played garbage time when the lead was big enough to put in 3rd string. we cant use the template of a typical team to judge by minutes being too meaningful
    Cliff used a Lin lineup to get lead and catch up

  • heart

    Good for you to stand up for your belief. No judgement from me.

  • Joe what do you know

    Well we all know he can easily binge on his video games and ruin his eye sight again…. Our Jeremy is a big geek…

  • PETE B

    isnt that why they become Honey Bees?

  • Linzen

    No wonder they lost the game. How can they focus standing so close to the dancers?

  • PETE B

    me too , but I dont have a billion dollars to buy a NBA team
    I would try to get Lin into Hall of Fame
    Nevertheless Lin should train like a Hall of Famer / MVP All Star

  • occupatio

    those dancers are pretty thick-waisted

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    The ones in white?

  • Joe what do you know

    No need for judgement. It’s a simple statement from you. And I kind of wish the same. Just wish Lin can play more minutes, win and loss will take care of themselves although there’s more winning possibility when Lin plays longer minutes….

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    If they didn’t lose, they would probably make this a road game ritual. Lebron has become a megalomaniac, like Kobe.

  • DX

    Well said, Lin will eventually bring more wins for team if give him the PT and power.

  • DX

    Unfortunately, I am not a billionaire too.

  • DX

    Thanks

  • DX

    Totally agree.

  • 1mtoldman

    only 2000 in the world; dont feel bad.

  • DX

    Hope too, that will be great if Lin settle down here. But it hasn’t shown the clear signs.

  • DX

    Not even a millionaire. ?

  • JoeTeam

    Boo, I have a belly myself lol. It’s not elegant, and I learned in life you get nailed for being glib.

    Actually, I respect these gals because the hrs they put in, the low pay, etc. Sure it’s glamor etc but really, they are paying dues.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Somebody hacked your account?

  • JoeTeam

    Nice perspective, I will try to take note of that in the games I watch.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Right or wrong the most respected comment is the honest one.

  • DX

    Thank you! Fortunately, we have JLinportal for speaking truth.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lin is the takeoff and landing gear. During the fight? Not much in used.

  • Linzen

    Totally respect them girls. It’s as if those Cavs were invisible! They just keep doing their thing. Bravo!

  • Linzen

    Maybe that’s the important role he was promised. He needs to come to rescue every time.

  • Linzen

    ya… he’s gone to the dark side…

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I hope you know this is a video game right?

  • Rick Johnson

    Rick BonnellVerified account
    ‏@rick_bonnell
    Cleveland Cavaliers list ex-Hornet Mo Williams as starter at PG tonight. Also, Timofey Mozgov upgraded to questionable for tonight.
    https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/670352835775623168

  • Joe what do you know

    What?? No way…. That’s not video game….

  • heart

    What’s up w/this stand-in from the Cavs? So disrespectful…

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)
  • blubell
  • heart

    Is this their ‘fighting’ motif? That’s not wise… It’s just stirring up opponent’s motivation to play harder against them.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    To me it just proves that Lebron is a thuggish tyrant who can force his coach and teammates to behave inappropriately. Lebron probably feels threatened by Curry’s ascendancy.

  • heart

    Glad the dancers avoid distraction and continue w/their routine. There’s a time and place for everything. That’s Not wise IMO.

  • Michael

    So fake…yes lets take it out on the dancers to show how mentally tough we are.

  • Rick Johnson

    Pete Guelli‏@PeteGuelli

    Pre-game ritual for @JLin7 shooting with coach Silas. He looks ready for tonight! #EnterTheSwarm

    https://twitter.com/PeteGuelli/status/670374796983693312

  • Linzen

    Go Lin GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

  • blubell

    So awake…

  • 1mtoldman

    not a good sign. please pass the nytol, sominex, restoril, etc.

  • blubell
  • 1mtoldman

    Brad Turner: Byron Scott said “we don’t have chemistry problems. Our guys get along. They just don’t trust each othre on the floor.”
    – via Twitter BA_Turner
    Byron Scott, Los Angeles Lakers

    ?????????

  • PETE B

    Yes pls do we need eyes to check Clifford coaching decision about lin

  • cdblue10

    LMAO!!!!!

  • NONONO

    Has Scott understood what trust means yet? The way he lets Kobe do whatever he like (including embarrassing himself) on court is nothing to do with trust.

  • Sophie Paris

    BS is so smart…

  • Steppen03

    Lebron & Cavs waiting for the opposition to show up … Messing with the halftime show dancers … One Word: IDIOTS! Another Word: SOFT! **This is Not a war. It’s freaking Entertainment. You want to act tough… Go join the Army and Fight ISIS extremists.

  • NONONO

    I like this comment:

    K. P. Chan ‏@chankpc 50m50 minutes ago
    @PeteGuelli Pete: I can’t resist saying this: Lin is always ready! Now, is the Coach ready to play him? 🙂

  • Rick Johnson

    But he wouldn’t trust them in a fox hole.

  • 1mtoldman

    hi sophie p. bae dae icymi. see how smart ive got in internet jargon thanks 2 u.

  • Steppen03

    See GS Warriors, the “real” champs do that ? Nope. They just let their actions do the talking.

  • Sophie Paris

    Lol internet has no more secrets for you

  • 1mtoldman

    ikr

  • CaliUSMC

    Lin always plays bad when he goes up against Lebron. LETS GO LIN

  • LinMad

    Lamb in that interview looked and sounded stoned

  • kittyhead

    Totally disagreed the MH part. He said a lot of bad words and despised Lin ad a pg. I cant understand anyone who thinks MF is better for Lin.

  • cdblue10

    Game time

  • CaliUSMC

    LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • cdblue10

    Let’s go get some Cavs

  • CaliUSMC

    Has Lebron always played his butt off at hornets home games? To make daddy MJ proud?

  • NONONO

    Actually Lin had difficult vs Miami, because they double or even triple on him. vs Lebron in Cle, we will see tonight.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i remember this ‘color commentator’ from the Cavs. gonna mute this game

  • CaliUSMC

    wut he say about lin?

  • Dorothy

    PJ 2 PF already, is Clifford taking him out???? NO

  • LinMad

    dang we not getting any buckets

  • LinMad

    there are lots of cav fans in charlotte?

  • cdblue10

    Baboom

  • CaliUSMC

    bandwagons

  • your son’s voltaire

    from past games. i remember him being very anti-Lin. saying things like Kyrie should take it to him cus he’s a bad defender. also says Lin can’t go left, so take away his right

  • LinMad

    sounds like 50% of the crowd are Cav fans

  • CaliUSMC

    OH yeah. I remember.

  • LinMad

    lol Lebron complaining for And 1 instead of running back

  • cdblue10

    Baboom on that dunk!!!!

  • LinMad

    nice! we look like a top 4 team right now

  • Alain Gervais

    Batum and Marvin my favorite starters

  • LinMad

    is the Cavs bench any good?

  • cshot

    stupid auto correct does the same to batum for me

  • sws94

    Batum’s facilitation gets better and better. Marvin also plays really hard and is decent from 3.

  • LinMad

    Kemba been shooting pretty well lately too

  • linfan

    Lin always wearing that ice pack on his back – is this just a precaution or is his back acting up and affecting his performance? This seems to be a chronic problem with him (and others).

  • Alain Gervais

    lol I didn’t know datum was a word

  • cshot

    batum is slowly proving that he’s a facilitator to me

  • cdblue10

    Nice big Al

  • Alain Gervais

    Better then kemba no doubt

  • Ben Johnson

    Mo is torching Kemba on the PnR

  • cdblue10

    Sit Kemba now

  • cdblue10

    Hey Cliff Kemba is not doin anything sit him down

  • Alain Gervais

    This is the usual time cliff plays him

  • cshot

    put lin in plz lol

  • cdblue10

    Yep but I hope he adjust once in a while

  • DX

    I am so sick for Cliff sub Lin as last one.

  • Alain Gervais

    not likely

  • cdblue10

    Cringe

  • 808JL7

    And then pulls him out the 1st.

  • LinMad

    which is why I don’t care if Lin has off games/bad shooting nights. Not that he did last game. He shot 50% last game he just didn’t shoot enough in his limited minutes.

  • Alain Gervais

    I know but Lin can leave if he wants. If his minutes stay like this then he will leave. This team goes back to what they were

  • 808JL7

    Come on Cliff put in JLin the playmaker.

  • cshot

    cliff… r u serious?

  • Ben Johnson

    The Lin effect…see NY and Houston, hehe

  • cdblue10

    Absolutely

  • cdblue10

    Yeasty Lin in

  • blubell

    JEremy!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin in a little early

  • cdblue10

    Wow what a passed Lin

  • blubell

    nice pass

  • LinMad

    good pass

  • LinMad

    Lebron is in with the 2nd unit

  • CaliUSMC

    GOOD D BY ZELLA

  • NONONO

    No one come to setup a screen after Lin bring ball cross the middle. Is it by design?

  • LinMad

    good strip by Zeller

  • cdblue10

    Hornets is a legit team in the East

  • your son’s voltaire

    i wish Lin would play like he’s the main ball distributor on the court like Paul does. forget about standing in the corners. take control and piss on Clifford’s fire-hydron

  • NONONO

    they know which unit is more threat in Hornets.

  • sws94

    Lin blatantly pushed down,no call.

  • LinMad

    Cavs are denying Lin the ball

  • CaliUSMC

    deli with da block on lin..

  • your son’s voltaire

    oh my. got blocked

  • cdblue10

    Wow that’s a good block by that player

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin tried to play bully ball ahha

  • cdblue10

    Who’s that guy

  • LinMad

    wow a foul on 0.01

  • sws94

    Hornets are featuring Batum as main facilitator. Both Kemba and now Lin.

  • Alain Gervais

    where was you last playoffs??

  • cdblue10

    Lin is still running on that corner,he needs to relocate and find the ball

  • LinMad

    well Lin’s role has been reduced greatly to just a defender type of player.

  • cshot

    freaking dirty scrub play lol

  • cdblue10

    Lol just don’t wanna mention him

  • sws94

    Bemba did the same thing. It’s being a good team mate because Batum is in a groove facilitating.

  • Cookiemole

    Delly did a decent job guarding curry last year in the finals

  • Lam

    how come james is playing againts the bench team?

  • cdblue10

    Hawes is in that’s why

  • your son’s voltaire

    if Lin plays aggressive, his teammates will defer to him, even Batum and Kemba. that’s just the way it is. take control of the ball , Lin!

  • blubell

    foul?

  • Alain Gervais

    Lins hands too low

  • cdblue10

    1 more foul he’s gone

  • Dorothy

    Lin do not give Clifford excuse to pull you please

  • LinMad

    does it look like Lin is ignoring Cliff?

  • sws94

    Lin has to avoid fouls like that.

  • Dorothy

    33333333333333

  • cdblue10

    Yes 333333

  • blubell

    3333333333333333

  • cdblue10

    Put Al in and take Hawes out

  • LinMad

    wow cavs getting a lot of calls now

  • your son’s voltaire

    or Cody

  • cdblue10

    Shuts as that Hawes

  • CaliUSMC

    NICE PASS LIN

  • blubell

    assist!

  • LinMad

    nice

  • your son’s voltaire

    to Hawes!

  • LinMad

    way too many fouls

  • NONONO

    Lin does not need to over defend. Avoid unnecessary fouls.

  • KL

    I heard Clifford shouting “No More Fouls” earlier.

  • LinMad

    12 fouls to 4 fouls

  • CaliUSMC

    nice ALLEY ASSIST TO LAMB BY LIN

  • cdblue10

    Ahhhhhhhh

  • blubell

    alley ooooooop

  • CaliUSMC

    LIN SUCKS

  • cdblue10

    Lol ….I know that’s shyss is on their faces

  • Rick Johnson

    LOL

  • LinMad

    ya we already committed 12

  • cshot

    siiiiick alley oop

  • Promo Sports World

    Liking the potential of this game

  • sws94

    Like I said, I like Lin with Lamb. But, Lamb is handling the ball too much so far. Let Lin handle it. Lin looks calm and making good decisions tonight. But, stop over helping. Don’t get in foul trouble, Lin.

  • NONONO

    did i see the boxscore right, no ast from lin?

  • DX

    Why only shows 1 Ast? should be 2 for Lin now!

  • LinMad

    nope it shows 2 assists

  • cshot

    lol plz don’t tell me they counted that as a missed shot attempt….

  • cdblue10

    Refs always treats hornets like they are the visitors……Lol

  • blubell

    I see 2

  • LinMad

    League pass stats says 2 assists for Lin.

  • Joe what do you know

    2ast.

  • blubell

    come on Lamb…

  • Michael

    Yay! (no feed )

  • cdblue10

    Nice tank

  • cdblue10

    Ok Hoes

  • your son’s voltaire

    Hawes with the new Hair, new man

  • Cookiemole

    I hope Lin sticks closer to delly on the 3pt line. He’s a 40% 3pt shooter

  • Rick Johnson

    Rambo look

  • your son’s voltaire

    Ram-slo

  • blubell

    Ahhhh, go away!

  • LW

    Hansbrough will be playing at this foul rate. He better be ready.

  • NONONO

    Lin, do not over help on D please!

  • KL

    Cavs are respecting the bench. Leaving Lebron against them.

  • LinMad

    nice combo

  • blubell

    assist #3

  • JLin 3rd assist to Kemba 3

  • cdblue10

    Lol

  • Promo Sports World

    Like I said I like this game for Jeremy

  • blubell

    I thought you were on vacation? lol

  • NONONO

    Someone was doing bad on D

  • cdblue10

    Is this Cliff plans after all,you’re confusing me Clifford

  • DX

    They just fixed.

  • I’m sitting back on my couch and enjoying JLin’s game.
    That’s part of vacation 🙂

  • cdblue10

    Can’t help it lol

  • Alain Gervais

    As long as Lin has below 2 fouls this will happen.

  • zxcvb

    Batum. He left Jefferson for no reason. Wasn’t even close enough to affect the drive, unlike when Lin overhelps.

  • zxcvb

    Lin playing really well. Under control.

    BTW, Lamb picked up two fouls and went to the bench. Clifford is a fair coach. He may be wrong not to play Lin more, but he’s fair. He just has hard “rules” for his team (size, defense, fouls).

  • Rick Johnson

    Hive Talk Live
    ‏@HiveTalkLive
    Triple L – Lin Lamb Lob #CLEatCHA
    https://twitter.com/HiveTalkLive/status/670403595578286080

  • blubell

    haha. me too. finally can watch an entire game!

  • sws94

    Yes, Lin seems much calmer and under control tonight. Maybe watched film and slowed down.

  • Cookiemole

    Lin seems to be handling double team blitzes well today. Got the ball back to hawes without any trouble, feeding hawes for a close range shot on one occasion

  • yes, 2 fouls might send them to the bench

  • NONONO

    I think that is the reason Lin overhelps.

  • CaliUSMC

    what a lousy pass by batum

  • lazy pass by Batum, stolen

  • cdblue10

    Williams is holding up lin

  • LinMad

    horrible interior defense from the big

  • CaliUSMC

    its gonna be one of those walker games again..

  • blubell

    Good D

  • I am The Jason

    Most competent coaches sit their players if they pick up 2 quick fouls. It happened to Curry when Golden State played the Clippers

  • Dorothy

    222222222222222222

  • blubell

    nice give and go!

  • CaliUSMC

    NICE GIVE AND GO

  • NONONO

    low scores on both teams – D will make difference in this game.

  • LinMad

    THERE WE GO

  • DX

    Cavaliers’s bigs are much better than Hornets’.

  • Great give-and-go with Al and JLin!
    Easy layup

  • zxcvb

    There we go. Need more Lin! More Lin, more Win.

  • sws94

    See guys, Lin is being integrated with the starters. We’re seeing more of this with each game.

  • cdblue10

    I like Al to be his PnR partner

  • Cookiemole

    Bigs look totally outclassed

  • CaliUSMC

    Charlotte bench is stepping up tonight

  • Ben Johnson

    Lamb has 2 fouls, try again

  • Promo Sports World

    Smart play

  • blubell

    Not a bad half so far. 5p/3a/1r

  • cshot

    yes! more easy plays pizzazz

  • zxcvb

    Bench players are often allowed to get 3 because they don’t play 36-40mpg.

    But I guess Cliff holds his major rotation players to the same standard.

  • cdblue10

    I believe it now sw

  • as long as he doesn’t foul too much and keeps scoring =)

  • Promo Sports World

    It’s a good half

  • CaliUSMC

    anyone have a stream with Charlotte announcers?

  • Alain Gervais

    Great defense and offense ….What more can you ask for??

  • LinMad

    Lin might get his minutes today

  • blubell

    🙂

  • Promo Sports World

    His owning his role

  • zxcvb

    More touches! But that’s not up to Lin.

  • Ben Johnson

    from Jeremy, nothing…from Coach C, more minutes, more PnRs, more ballhandling duties, etc…

  • cshot

    jeremy needs to move off the ball like that and be super active running around everywhere to get those easy buckets

  • Ballstream doesn’t have Hornets feed either

  • heart

    Cavs commentators called Lin “Mr. Gel” in reference to his hair. Paraphrasing: And before the break one guy said Lin has made himself a steady player and Linsanity is long gone…

  • linfan

    Lin not forcing, letting game come to him

  • cshot

    then again, cliff would probably get pissed if jeremy didn’t follow orders lol :/

  • blubell
  • Hornets interior D is too easily exploited

  • Promo Sports World

    And this is true but linsanity can erupt at a moment

  • sws94

    Bad K Bemba showing up.

  • blubell

    MW for 3!

  • Nice 3 by Williams! 45-46

  • Hansbrough is needed to grab that rebound

  • CaliUSMC

    DUDE LIN BROKE LEBRONS ANKLES OOO

  • blubell

    Almost… great move against Lebron!

  • cdblue10

    Lin oh my god!!!!

  • almost yeah 🙂

  • zxcvb

    Damn, if Lin made that 3…haha. Oh well.

  • cdblue10

    Finally they call a foul

  • sws94

    Lin rushed that 3 just a little. The crowd gasps when he goes into that move.

  • blubell

    The reaction by the bench was pretty cool 🙂

  • NONONO

    LIN overhelps almost got a faul again

  • zxcvb

    The game would have been over if he made that, ha. Crowd would have exploded and Cavs would implode.

  • LinMad

    it’s not always overhelping. It’s called switching

  • LW

    Lin is trying his best to contribute as off-the-all SG, but that is just not his best ability. Why do they refuse to recognize that?

  • zxcvb

    Great help D on Lebron by Lin.

  • Great ball movement by Hornets..

  • blubell

    highlight of his career. lol

  • LinMad

    i think coach likes him at the position so he can focus on D more

  • Clifford whispered something to JLin on sideline

  • JJ Hui

    Kevin Love had a friendly slap on Lin, anyone see this? What is that? Good friend?

  • CaliUSMC

    YUP. I think Love gave Lin props for putting Lebron on skates lol

  • LinMad

    good one by Kemba

  • Great job by Walker to bait Deladova to bit .. 3FTs

  • zxcvb

    Both from Cali. I think they play the same gyms, Pro-Ams, etc.

  • LinMad

    Batum doesn’t really play D that great

  • cdblue10

    Lin is the catalyst of this team

  • LinMad

    do u think it was something negative?

  • Alain Gervais

    Its Lebron so who can against him.

  • JLin’ ball-handling training is able to put LeBron on skate.. Nice =)

  • Michael

    ….(happy thanksgiving)

  • blubell

    Nice balance of D and O this game. Let’s go Jeremy!

  • zxcvb

    Lin playing great. Blatt is a former Princeton star, he’s smothering Lin’s drives.

    I expect Mr. 4th Quarter to dominate if he closes.

  • blubell

    Sleeeeeep!

  • JJ Hui

    Thank you zxcvb!

  • Alain Gervais
  • If Clifford can manage to get better interior D in the 2nd half, Hornets can build a lead

  • LinMad

    at least contest it a little he gave Lebron so much space and then he just drove pass Batum and Al couldn’t do anything.

  • yes, they’re starting to find each other on-court

  • cdblue10

    Jr. smith is non existent on this game,keep it up Lin and Hornets

  • LinMad

    I think that starts when Al sits out 2nd half

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I cant imagine what if Lin hit that 3s on that great move on LBJ?

  • zxcvb

    15 first half minutes tonight. Clifford got his back after last game, I guess.

  • blubell

    Jr. Smith played? didn’t even notice. lol.

  • cshot

    i would have got a noise complaint where i live lol

  • cdblue10

    Lol

  • CaliUSMC

    would’ve already been on vine/youtube. def top 10 play of the night

  • Michael

    Shan’t

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets will send quite a big message throughout the NBA if they beat the Cav’s.

  • zxcvb

    Game over. But these days, it seems Lin looking good early means he stops getting the ball late.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I’d take that any day.

  • that might need to happen.
    Al is too slow out there

  • cdblue10

    That’s like Iverson crossed MJ

  • aras

    people should seriously lay off of clifford the guy is the most fair coach lin has had its simple the one who contributes most on both ends gets to play…lin with 15 min already why? good defense and patience on offence no to keep it going lin!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Classic.

  • no .. just to keep directing offense, I think

  • zxcvb

    Clifford is a smart, fair coach. I think people are angry at Lin’s situation — going all in on “Batum at SG” and “Kemba as franchise PG.” When Lin leaves next year, CHA is going to revert to their old ways.

    Playing Lin at SG and Batum at SF is clearly the way to go. So obvious but CHA won’t do it.

  • swijaya

    They are capable, if keep on playing the teamball

  • David Kim

    yop..lin broke Lebron’s ankle!!!!!

  • sws94

    FItting in to the team. There’s talent on the team and it is how he’ll get playing time.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Clifford should definitely been given the benefit of the doubt.

    Keep fouls down and keep scoring is the mantra for Lin/Lamb to get consistent time to close games

  • NONONO

    Did you guys see how many times Lin try to block Lebron? i saw at least 4 times already. hope no more foul until 4q.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Still inconsistent.

  • occupatio

    lin is playing a very good game, on both ends of the floor

  • khomphuong2
  • sport

    Not bad 4 tries and only 1 foul called on Lin. I’d take it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I like to see that consistent in the next 20 games (same number he asked) to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • cshot

    his release was a little too late :/

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is the first game I see Lin not smiling or have fun. Something must have happened.

  • Alain Gervais

    if he made that

  • Alain Gervais

    called focus. This is the top east teams. Time to focus

  • David Kim

    great move!!!!

  • occupatio

    lin has 15 minutes already.
    ppl freaking out last game over nothing.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    He hasn’t before? Nonsense.

  • wandertheglobe

    That’s a new move he worked on this summer. I think it’s similar to what Curry does….

  • sws94

    Might have if he was closer to the rim. He’s not used to putting up a 3 yet doing that but that’s going to be an effective move for him.

  • heart

    I sense that too. Perhaps he’s focused on his game.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Up and down called inconsistent.

  • kauaiblue

    Hi guys… hows he doing??

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Focus and peesh.

  • aras

    he does…if lin keeps the fouls down he gets to play compare that with byron scott and mchale who would plant lin on the end of the bench for a TO

  • sws94

    Because he was a positive and playing within the system. He made beautiful passes and didn’t force the issue. He’s not in foul trouble. I continue to think Cliff is fair to him.

  • occupatio

    playing better than the stats show

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    As always, keep him in good things happen.

  • swijaya

    Cha 14 assists, Cle only 6 … but
    Cha 20 boards only, Cle 28

    Need Cle bigs to step up

  • Alain Gervais

    Its called foul trouble

  • Rick Johnson

    It would be so good if Philadelphia wins their first game against Houston tonight.

  • blubell

    He smiled during an exchange with Kevin Love

  • heart

    yep.

  • kauaiblue

    Thx!

  • kauaiblue

    Thx! Saw the alley oop to lamb!

  • blubell

    Love the Bench reaction 🙂

  • sws94

    Did he play the top East team before? Game face. He looks fine and is playing wonderfully.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Bench player meant foul expenses.

  • cdblue10

    Is he recruiting him?too early Love…

  • sws94

    yup. Wasn’t his night. He looks so much better tonight. Now, he has to keep it up in the 2nd half and he’ll get close to 30 minutes probably.

  • blubell

    yes, very balanced.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Just another reg game.

  • sws94

    Lamb went out w. 2 fouls also. Cliff is fair.

  • blubell

    Go Philly! lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Meaning inconsistent. 2 fouls? You’re allowed 3 in 1st half.

  • cshot

    i don’t like stephanie ready lol

  • cdblue10

    Newtooooonnnnnn

  • blubell

    Is ballstream only showing CLE feed?

  • Rzo Vlade

    need to lose tonight……. chi vs ind whoever lose is ok

    wash
    miami
    det
    atl

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Took you that long? She’s a talking point not expert personal opinion.

  • yes

  • sport

    This is a tough game against Lebron and Cavs, it means business.

  • cdblue10

    Al keep that coming

  • LinMad

    what a risky save from Kemba

  • CaliUSMC

    wtf is batum doing bro

  • cdblue10

    Nice make up D PJ

  • LinMad

    lol Cliff “jesus christ what was that” to Batum or PJ

  • LOL CLE announcers: “This team didn’t turn the ball over..”
    “Oops.. 4th straight TOs”

  • LinMad

    Cavs doesn’t look like #1 EC team

  • LinMad

    awwwww Kemba should have just shot that

  • Hornets tried to make a push but couldn’t get 10+ lead yet

    Linning time, plzzzzz

  • cshot

    she compliments pj hairston’s defense and not lins lol. says A LOT

  • cdblue10

    Too early…

  • cshot

    he gets too excited sometimes lol

  • NONONO

    Not until Hornets in big trouble.

  • LinMad

    our interior D is our biggest problem

  • cdblue10

    Babooooooommmm!!!!

  • LinMad

    that 3 just sled in, i thought it looked short

  • yup, sill 7 min left in Q3

  • sport

    Comparing Cavs to Hawks, Hawks look more like the No.1 team to beat in the East.

  • Big Al is heating up!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lebron alone will beat the hawks

  • LinMad

    at his own teammates?

  • LinMad

    someone gotta stop Lebron!

  • NONONO

    Love seems having knee problem. I hope he is alright although I want Hornets to win.

  • Promo Sports World

    Lebron is stil lebron

  • he was telling Hairston he didn’t need any help =)

  • cdblue10

    Nice D

  • Great D by Hornets

  • NONONO

    Now I know why Lin was trying overhelps on defending Lebron.

  • cdblue10

    Lin time

  • occupatio

    too much kemba

  • Promo Sports World

    Kemba needs a blow

  • Rick Johnson

    Need Bench Force One. Starters running out of gas.

  • LinMad

    what? they counted that bucket too?

  • sport

    PJ with four fouls, more minutes for Lin please!! Still don’t get why this nobody rookie is starting.

  • Promo Sports World

    Pj too many minute s

  • LinMad

    BF1

  • blubell

    and fouls…

  • cshot

    continuation

  • cdblue10

    Played great D on first,Cliff rewarding him

  • blubell
  • Promo Sports World

    The Lebron stopper

  • Cookiemole

    They should put batum on lebron

  • blubell

    No JLin? Hmmm…

  • maybe on Q4

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin In yeah

  • JLin in at 1:23 left

  • Promo Sports World

    Whole 4th quarter

  • cdblue10

    That’s an advantaged foul

  • Clifford looked at your message and said, “Oh yeah” 🙂

  • Rick Johnson

    Going to need him to close out a tough game.

  • Promo Sports World

    This is a 90s style game

  • Batum and Lin will be good here

  • blubell

    Picked up 2 rebounds. Nice.

  • LinMad

    good Lin didn’t get that off in time would have killed his %

  • blubell

    You’re welcome 😛

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    lol extra rebound for Lin.

  • JoeTeam

    nice – Lin in just on time, now lez see if he can close it out!

  • occupatio

    im pretty sure he wasnt trying to get it off in time

  • cdblue10

    If Cliff will let him close…my doubts will be gone forever

  • KL

    Great screen by Lin for the Lamb bucket!

  • LinMad

    Cliff probably mad about that pass

  • Dorothy

    222222222222222

  • blubell

    22222222222222

  • Promo Sports World

    Good game folks

  • cdblue10

    Lin…I love Stephanie Readdy

  • cdblue10

    Assist

  • Great smart decision by Lin. O & D

  • blubell

    Jeremy to Jeremy 🙂

  • Good Lin & Lamb

  • LinMad

    This unit works!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lebron has to go back in lol

  • JoeTeam

    zeller /// get with it!

  • Good team rebounding effort

  • cdblue10

    Nice TeamDefense

  • Rick Johnson

    Looks like Lamb got shoved into Lin to cause TO.

  • NONONO

    start already? my LP does not show the game?

  • Alain Gervais

    Refs

  • LinMad

    ya Lamb pushed Lin, I didn’t see if Lamb got pushed or not

  • blubell

    yup

  • cshot

    lol refs plz… is it okay for players to throw other players at each other?

  • DX

    Lin sit again? WTF

  • kauaiblue

    Hes sitting??

  • sws94

    Slow down Lin. Don’t try and do too much. Take care of the ball better. Doing well though.

  • cdblue10

    Relax he’ll be back

  • Alain Gervais

    Short rest

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Any question, excuses?

  • LinMad

    Lin is sitting

  • cshot

    ok now you going to sit lin?

  • zxcvb

    Facepalm @ Clifford. Yanked for that TO?

    Lin better come back in…

  • Alain Gervais

    Thats not true

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    ANY Question of inconsistent?

  • redking79

    Lamb got pushed. Can’t believe refs didn’t call a foul off the ball.

  • LinMad

    and once the team falls behind, they will insert Lin lol

  • zxcvb

    Just dumb coaching by Clifford.

    Lin made two quick TOs, even if they were aggressive unselfish TOs. But for Cliff, that’s unforgivable.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Some was excited about Lin’s minutes first half, any question?

  • zxcvb

    GO CAVS

  • Rick Johnson

    Lin out lead gone.

  • LinMad

    he got 11 minutes first half, it was better than usual.

  • NONONO

    Li will come in soon.

  • LinMad

    /gg

  • Briiick

    No Lin no win, Cliff hasn’t learned the lesson yet.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Are you sassing other posters’ opinions here?

  • zxcvb

    Kemba plays no defense.

  • Michael

    = = Lebron already lost control of the ball, why the foul.

  • JoeTeam

    well. that didn’t work did it

  • 82-79 when Lin sat
    8-4 run by CLE now

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Lebron homerism.

  • redking79

    Bad sub by Clifford. Delly can take advantage of Kemba’s size.

  • ok, 10-4 run by CLE since Lin sat

  • blubell

    Doh!

  • Rick Johnson

    Cliff better put Lin back in before gets out of hand. Momentum has totally changed since he’s been out.

  • zxcvb

    BAM. Great jumper by J.R.

  • LinMad

    Cliff has Lin on the shortest leash on this team. Even Frank has the green light.

  • David Kim

    need lin’s D!!!

  • heart

    Note: IMO, the current Hornets lineup on the floor is their projected core players that Cliff is trying to win with. But can’t at the moment…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    What are you comment policing?

  • NONONO

    Cliff has the confidence on Lin to save the game if …

  • zxcvb

    And his O. And his I (intangibles).

  • LinMad

    Times like these sometimes when Cliff inserts Lin back in, I wish he doesn’t put too much effort to save the team.

  • Promo Sports World

    Cliff is inconsistent with Lin

  • cdblue10

    Clifford don’t do this…..?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Amen!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    ….since day 1 of the reg season.

  • kauaiblue

    Go cavs…

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Because that’s part of being a mod, fyi. You tend to criticize any and every positive comments here.

  • Yascar

    You want Lin to be a James Harden who only puts effort in when he likes his coach and he feels like it?

  • Pete Roces

    Zero trust from coach, Lin is always on an uphill path, sad to say, MDA is the one and only guy that can help Lin achieve stardom, no one else. From Linsanity down to this……Only in NBA!

  • Rick Johnson

    Iso Walker going to lose the game

  • Briiick

    Cliff has no offense, without Lin.

  • LinMad

    hoping he coaches next season

  • zxcvb

    BrookLin Nets coached by MDA….coming in 2016.

  • blubell

    Hmmm. I thought Batum/Kemba/Lin are locked to close the game.

  • Yascar

    True perhaps but MDA doesn’t have a job at the moment.

    And this happens in every sport at every level.

  • cdblue10

    Hate this

  • Clifford went away with what worked at end of Q2

    He gambled with a big lineup here

  • Alain Gervais

    Look like Lin is done

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Cliff doesn’t know how to strategize and extend the team’s lead.

  • Briiick

    Not any more. Cliffraud got his extension, he can afford to play in his comfort zone again.

  • Rick Johnson

    Walker tunnel vision.

  • cdblue10

    Nice shot jr

  • 13-6 CLE run since JLin sat
    92-88

  • John Focker

    No Lin D no win.

  • Rzo Vlade

    I hope this team lose

  • zxcvb

    No Lin, No Win.

    GAME OVER.

  • KL

    Big mistake coach Clifford.

  • kauaiblue

    Right…

  • Alain Gervais

    It never changes for Lin does it Defferent team same result.

  • Clifford gambled with Lamb offense but is losing on Lin’s missing D

  • cshot

    are you effing serious cliff. plz plz

  • zxcvb

    L-O-L. It’s going to be hilarious watching this team implode next season w/o Lin.

    They could honestly go 22-60.

  • LinMad

    Watch Cliff inserts Lin at 2 or 1 minute mark hoping he will turn it around.

  • kauaiblue

    They never learn…

  • Rzo Vlade

    hope this team lose

  • LinMad

    I’m sorry but extending Cliff’s coaching contract was a bad idea.

  • sport

    Glanced at stats only to realize nothing has changed. Batum with 33 minutes, Walker with 29, Lin with only 19:53 ~ 20 minutes. Won’t bother watching another more games live, I’m done. Form now on highlights only. I wanted to give it one more chance but nope, not going to waste my time watching NBA trying to promoting others even letting nobodies like Hairston start when Lin deserves to be the starting PG or SG!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    What did I, Heart, NONONO and others have been telling about the new rotation? This is a new norm. Lin will play here and there occasionally at best.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    We desperately need overtime.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    2:19 left on the clock. Will Cliff going to put in the scapegoat…someone to blame for the lost

  • Alain Gervais

    Benefit of the doubt meter is running real low. This is a one year rental. Lamb the new clarkson/bev/harden/whatshisname

  • your son’s voltaire

    hahahha clifford big fail! im glad

  • John Focker

    Way ahead of you… 🙁

  • Relax, guys..

    No Linning, no Winning.
    It’ll take time to see this

  • Job713

    Even if they go OT, Lin will not play any more

  • cdblue10

    I’ve seen enough Psalm

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Seriously? What are you instigating against other posters here?

  • let them rack up the losses

  • sport

    Yes, by the way I hope Hornets lose! They deserve it! Wanting Lin to save them by only playing him at the end but NOT give him the respect and attention with the starting role! Cliff and Hornets no different from Rockets!

  • zxcvb

    Lin has the hardest road in the NBA by a thousand-fold.

    Curry would be out of the league with this treatment.

  • cdblue10

    That’s what it is

  • Singapore BB Fan

    you don’t want JLin be a scapegoat…do you?

  • Alain Gervais

    Officially off hornets bandwagon

  • cdblue10

    Lamb LOL

  • zxcvb

    Lamb stinking it up.

  • redking79

    Really Cliff? This is the offense you want to run, 5 guys afraid to shoot??

  • blubell

    There is no reason to create division here with this kind of comment.

  • NONONO

    They do not want to admin it was D made difference in Wizards game! Cliff sucks!

  • Lamb is failing this audition miserably

    No clutch performance to close games

  • zxcvb

    No offense, ball movement. No Lin.

  • Sunny Sullenberger

    I am with you.

  • kauaiblue

    Go cavs…

  • John Focker

    And no D….therefore no win.

  • Let them experience the losses w/o great D by Lin & great ball movement

    Maybe they will change their ways .. before the losses mount

  • kauaiblue

    Jeremy lin the best cheerleader ever…

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin played great this is completely on warranted . Lamb now has more minutes then Lin.

  • David Kim

    Lamb is so silent….LOL

  • Pete Roces

    I just wonder, why every team Lin joins treat him like this? NBA demands it?

  • cdblue10

    I’m officially a hornets hater

  • IsabeliJane*17

    When Hornets are leading, Cliff gambles on offense rather on defense, thereby losing the lead.

  • LinMad

    This was a winnable game if Lin was on the floor to close the game.

  • sws94

    Wrong move by Clifford. Lin had it this game. Unless there’s something wrong with Lin, he needs to be in there.

  • kauaiblue

    I cant th8nk of any reason but his race…

  • DX

    4-11, Lamb, 6-15, Kemba, come on! Cliff! Let’s the better player in .

  • sport

    Curry’s lucky he has a family history of basketball players! With his size and thin outlook, he would’ve be marginalized as well since he didn’t fit the norm of a basketball player.

  • zxcvb

    It’s not even that Clifford is “unfair.” He’s just dumb when it comes to lineups. He thinks you MUST HAVE SIZE and play straight up. Doesn’t think “small ball” works.

  • LinMad

    thing is Lin was shooting well. 50% shooting and he was great at D.

  • Pete Roces

    poor guy…..so RACISM prevails in sports after all.

  • sws94

    I like Lamb. He should play with Lin. He’s not a closer. I wish Lin didn’t make those 2 TOs but mostly, he played very well tonight.

  • LinMad

    but Kemba is short

  • Rzo Vlade

    this team is a fraud they want jlin to amp his defense but in reality is to limit his offense, touches and playing time……maybe these coaching staff explaining to jlin his to tired to play more minutes cause of his defense in reality they dont want him to shine cause his popular and will steal others shine on this team

  • zxcvb

    Exactly. He’s PG. So Lin has to be SG…which is smallball.

  • David Kim

    He wants to play like Warriors with big line up..LOL

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Again, he’s a very bad gambler.

  • LinMad

    Lebron got away from a technical

  • zxcvb

    That’s exactly it! He has the right play calls. Just the wrong lineups.

  • blubell

    Umm. OT?

  • Michael

    Blue…I’m sorry.

  • sws94

    That shot was created by Batum for Lamb.

  • kauaiblue

    Absolutely.

  • LinMad

    even in OT, Lin won’t play

  • Dorothy

    You watched the game instead of sleeping??? How dare you!!!

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Homerism on Lebron much, refs?

  • Alain Gervais

    I feel done with this season. Same book different cover

  • DX

    I believe Cliff is a liar now.

  • zxcvb

    “That Asian guy is nice to have…but OBVIOUSLY he can’t be a star.”

  • Dan Cohen

    lebron really doesn’t want to lose lol

  • cshot

    so frustrating

  • Dan Cohen

    I said it firs

  • Pete Roces

    promises never fullfill, all empty ones, get Lin purely for marketing purpose, thats the mindset of almost all NBA teams

  • Alain Gervais

    Im watching the last 4 year all over again. Lin gets better yet stat get worse or stay the same

  • cshot

    this is why jeremy looked unhappy

  • kauaiblue

    This team is like rox and lakers…

  • Rzo Vlade

    Matthew Dellavedova 32:48 this scrub playing time

  • LinMad

    a few more games like this, i’m probably going to stop supporting Hornets. No offense to the players, just the FO/Coaching.

  • CJSHYY

    Pretty much so.

  • joyce ward

    This is the NBA. I believe that the NBA is very crooked. I believe there is a hierarchy of teams they want to win games. In the east it’s the Cavaliers and in the west GSW. I am convinced that the NBA is rigged

  • zxcvb

    Blatt is a smart coach. He played for Princeton, BTW.

  • sws94

    Most people at RealGM are saying Lin should be in. Not Lamb. Lamb tonight is not the right guy to be in there. But strangely, Love is not in for Cleveland.

  • cshot

    thank you joyce

  • LinMad

    but with less minutes and making Lin a 9th man instead of 6th-7th.

  • zxcvb

    No bias against CHA. Just against Lin. His own coach doesn’t believe in him.

  • kauaiblue

    Yeah, i went to see creed instead… lol

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin has to be the unluckiest guy in the world. Linsanity was actually sanity. All the other year of his life are insanity. From harvard to the pros

  • Pete Roces

    I totally agree!

  • Dan Cohen

    12 mil and 7 mil vs
    2 mil
    so kinda obvious

  • zxcvb

    MIL is frustrated with their PGs. Maybe Lin for Bayless or MCW (all are expiring)?

  • wandertheglobe

    Relax guys, next game Lin gets to finish and all is well again. 🙂

  • Promo Sports World

    20 minutes for a back-up pg is not the NORM for today’s NBA…..Lamb will get minutes until he bombs…..Jeremy just has to be a pro and be ready

  • Dan Cohen

    I think cliff is trying to balance the finshing team.

  • LinMad

    nah we keep telling ourselves that and it just happens once in a full moon.

  • zxcvb

    Trolololol

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Get Lin and play him along Bayless.

  • cdblue10

    And we can be the unluckiest fans too since we can’t see him go to the top

  • NONONO

    what?

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Wow….messy play by Hornets starters….

  • Rzo Vlade

    so rockets knew they are out of contentions so they are now playing bad and also other teams….man thats so fraud a pre determined finals to sell tickets

  • jeremy

    Bayless is actually better than Lin just largely underrated and mistreated
    he will eat Lins minutes

  • Alain Gervais

    1 year rental so He’ll move on

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets threw game away when Clif subbed Lin out.

  • Job713

    I agree, Roberts wasn’t even played tonight!

  • NONONO

    The key difference this game is that Cle trusted their backup PG, Cliff does not! !!!!!!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    What? You took that offensive? You only feel offensive because the true hurts.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    You’re discrediting Jeremy Lin if you are saying you are an unlucky fan.

  • Alain Gervais

    When Lin leaves we will see what Lamb/hornets becomes

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets don’t deserve Lin. Let’s get out of this crappy trash team.

  • Dan Cohen

    but cliff has to manage politics..so kw has to be in and lamb has to be in since they get paid big.

  • 15-8 CLE run since JLin sat
    Hornets trailed 90-94

    12.9 seconds left

  • Promo Sports World

    Kemba lamb is the trusted scoring backcourt….

  • Rzo Vlade

    look at their FG lamb and walker

  • LinMad

    Can Lin just fake an injury or pull an Omer Asik move on his team?

  • Yascar

    Their first PG Irving is out. They don’t really have an option.

  • zxcvb

    Sounds good to me. I don’t think CHA would want MCW, though. Clifford likes vets and whoever they get is going to get Lin’s 20-25 minutes, not starter minutes.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Jeryd as undersize SG.

  • cshot

    lol well deserved cliff. well deserved

  • Promo Sports World

    Yup Jeremy is being paid as he is being played minutes wise

  • jeremy

    Yeah, some of the refs already confirmed it.
    Theres too much money involved

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I am angry but happy angry.

  • Job713

    Game over…

  • John Focker

    Rox gave Lin more minutes…sigh

  • zxcvb

    It was over when Lin left. This isn’t the Wiz. This is a great team in the Cavs.

  • Dorothy

    I am soooooooooo happy. Clifford deserves this.

  • GoodDayLA

    20 minutes for backup PG is absolutely the norm in the NBA. I think you are confused.

  • Briiick

    No Lin no win, I am happy to see it.

  • jeremy

    Hmm
    He and Lin wil make an unstoppable one 2 punch

  • GoodDayLA

    wrong

  • Job713

    But Lin does not.

  • zxcvb

    Good for Lin in the long run. Clifford was put in his place and embarrassed.

  • Dan Cohen

    lol.. look at their salary

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Cliff…please end this misery….get over it ….will you

  • Tim Pham

    what’s the point in watching? Lin will never earn a bigger role here. We’re not even wishing for main guy or co-main guy, he can’t even be the sixth man. This season is the culmination of what you saw tonight. 15-20 mins. No chance to develop.

  • Rzo Vlade

    wait till MKG come back more minutes will be chop……..trade deadline pls

  • jeremy

    Lin looks very uninterested good hes mad

  • zxcvb

    Well, he’s done for the season so that doesn’t affect Lin.

  • Tim Pham

    lin would be lucky to get 10 mins with mkg.

  • jeremy

    cuz we love Lin too much lol

  • Briiick

    Lin saves his mileage for a better stage.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This soft talk coach sure con a lot of people.

  • Dan Cohen

    don’t know why I ended up watching this games..
    maybe because it’s friday night

  • GoodDayLA

    well he picked this team. you can only put it on Lin.

  • zxcvb

    LOL, Lamb. AGAIN. How awful.

  • Promo Sports World

    This is Jeremys career moving forward….something dramatic has to happen personnel wise….tonight’s game was a solid back-up game…and just keep stringing these games together and note the trade deadline to a contender

  • kauaiblue

    Heh heh…

  • I am The Jason

    Well, this is depressing. Lin goes to the bench and so does the offense.

  • occupatio

    that was a mistake playing lamb. and he did nothing to deserve those minutes.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I have never been so happy for Hornets….ofc its without Lin on the floor

  • Sundown

    Just the Lin fans there, though he really should.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is where Lin’s agent needs to be in the work. Dec 15 couldn’t come soon enough.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    No.You’re violating the number 1 rule here: be respective of other people’s posts.Any more posts against other posters will not be tolerated.Consider this your final warning.

  • zxcvb

    Without Lin, this team is a joke. Just another 10-12th place team.

  • Tim Pham

    Once lamb signed the contract, lin’s role is done. He’s not overtaking lamb on pure basketball plays. It is what it is. He’s forever behind lamb, even when he plays better or not. There’s no chance of letting us play dictate his minutes.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Cliff wants to prove MJ and FO were wrong about Lamb

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin faces too much odds to succeed. Its just too overwhelming. They said he cant start because of his threes, he fixed that. Then they said he cant defend, he again fixes that and no reward. Lamp who plays no defense starts like his family BEV/Clarkson/ Harden

  • zxcvb

    MIL is really frustrated with their season and PG play… Bayless and MCW have 2-3M contracts.

  • NONONO

    Did Lin ever have problem inbound the ball?

  • Al

    Win some loose some. We should follow Lin’s attitude, train harder and take the high road.

  • occupatio

    heh i dont believe that for a second

  • LinMad

    Thing is Lamb needs Lin to excel. He’s trash without Lin on the floor making plays for him.

  • Promo Sports World

    Yup nothing you can do but cheer on when he does play and stop worrying about the what ifs

  • Dan Cohen

    well, you can forget the wed game against gsw.
    lin will never be able to showcase his talents.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    maybe Cliff is just dumb

  • Dorothy

    HaHaHa, I actually thought about you.

  • Alain Gervais

    And….. continue to be on the bench

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You promised.

  • NONONO

    Cliff disgrace!

  • Job713

    We need tweet from Lin from the bible right now.

  • Tim Pham

    Seriously? lin has no chance to earn more minutes…He has no chance of being promoted to the sixth man, let alone starter. How can anyone in any profession be motivated knowing that you are forever stuck without the chance to move up, even if you produce?

  • Promo Sports World

    Lots of folks hated linsanity and it’s been a gift and a curse

  • Singapore BB Fan

    can’t argue with that

  • Rick Johnson

    Hornets going to lose to GSW, Bulls. Going to drop to 10-9 and out of playoff top 8.

  • zxcvb

    “You reap what you sow”?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    one of the options.

  • LinMad

    our first lost cause Lin was not closing the game.

  • cdblue10

    And continue to being lied upon

  • jeremy

    the NBA hates rockets and les

  • John Focker

    You forgot the loss to Bulls.

  • blubell

    I know you’re frustrated but you still need to follow the forum rules. No name calling.

  • Dan Cohen

    I’m not the coach.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Anyone here has the guts to tweet Jeremy how STUPID he is for choosing Hornets? Anyone?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Remember, half of the 20 min he played today was standing in the corner.

  • Briiick

    This is so similar to the situation in Rox when McF sat Lin during the 4th quarter and had himdelf burned, LOL.

  • Dorothy

    HaHaHa, you are funny.

  • LinMad

    If they don’t acknowledge Lin, that’s where they will be at the end of the season. If they play Lin 25+ minutes a game, they would be a top 4 team.

  • 16-7 CLE run since JLin sat
    Hornets lost 90-95

    Kemba/Lamb/Batum/MW/Al shot 3-18

  • Rzo Vlade

    whats the day trade deadline end in dec

  • sws94

    He wasn’t good, but he’s not a closer. This is Lin time and maybe Cliff will explain why he didn’t close with him. I also think while Batum is a wonderful player and solid facilitator, I don’t think he’s the clutch guy that will make the big plays for the Hornets. There are 2 clutch guys on this team. Kemba and Lin.

  • Rzo Vlade

    trash

  • John Focker

    All-Stars!!! Pipe dream…

  • LinMad

    time to check twitterverse

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    lol

  • GoodDayLA

    Clifford got the extension now so he no longer will play Lin as much as he did before. He has job security and doesn’t need to win at all costs anymore. He has to win with MJ and Cho’s guys. And he has 3 years with 4th year option to figure out how to do it.

    I think Lin will play less and less and may be traded mid season to another team who feels they need a backup PG.

  • Promo Sports World

    Rockets still gave him the most playing time

  • Briiick

    Did I hear it two seasons ago ?

  • Rick Johnson

    Don’t know what Lin saw in this team? Sacrificing pay to play on such a crappy team that will marginalize him.

  • zxcvb

    Honestly, I think Clifford is just a “smart” version of Byron Scott. He knows his Xs and OS, but he’s still old school and thinks Lin shouldn’t close because he’s “too small” next to Kemba.

  • sws94

    He wasn’t playing. It was Lamb.

  • Promo Sports World

    18/20 minutes a game 8-10 points with 2-3 assists/rebounds is the goal to keep him valuable

  • LinMad

    lol a lot of tweets about Lin breaking Lebron’s ankles

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No this has been the plan since day one or the day Lamb signed the extension. Cliff now only put it in full play.

  • GoodDayLA

    Lin IS indeed too small to close next to Kemba. I totally agree.

    Lin should be playing OVER Kemba at PG.

  • Tim Pham

    they think lamb is better than lin, point proven with the contract. Lin will never play more than lamb or kemba or batum. Neither will he get more touches, more shots, more plays, minutes, nothing. Unless lin is happy playing 15 mins every night with the chance to play 20 if he has a good game, then it is what it is. Lin wont ever get to really close out or play any significant minutes on this team. If he’s happy with this, then there’s no point of hoping to develop into a better bball player. This is basically his career ceiling if he stays here

  • real-dsb

    No Lin, no win. I knew that when Lin wasn’t playing the rest of the 4th quarter that the Hornets would lose. Kemba got schooled by Dellavedova several times. I really felt that if Lin played out the entire 4th, the Hornets would have won.

  • Promo Sports World

    Hornets where the only team to offer him minutes right???

  • LinMad

    Once Lin leaves this team they will all hurt for awhile.

  • cdblue10

    Read my post again

  • Briiick

    Lin took the chance but at worst he can opt out.

  • David Kim

    “It’s always good to have two pick-and-roll players on the floor. That way you can put pressure on the defense at one side, then switch it to the other. That makes more room to play similar to how Golden State does. You’ve got Steph (Curry) on one side, so defenses have to load up there, and then you’ve got Klay Thompson on the other with room to operate. That’s what Kemba can do for Jeremy and Jeremy can do for Kemba.”

    That Jeremy is Jeremy Lamb? LOL

  • Rzo Vlade

    post it here

  • Rzo Vlade

    lol trash team

  • cshot

    he was tricking us the whole time lol

  • GoodDayLA

    Lamb’s role has nothing to do with Lin’s.

  • kauaiblue

    We should and please ask him to stop being a stupid male cheerleader…

  • zxcvb

    I honestly don’t even think that (after watching Clifford so far).

    He just doesn’t believe in small ball. He keeps saying over and over that he likes length (Batum at SG, MKG at SF) for defense. Just look at Hairston starting at SF! He’s not even wanted (CHA declined a 1M extension).

  • grover chang

    I know pity Lin didn’t finish for the win. I thought he played well tonight.

  • LinMad

    That’s got to be Lin.

  • heart

    It’s not on Lin that people break their promises and broke faith w/him.

  • Rzo Vlade

    yep trash team with no accomplishment

  • LinMad

    i think he could have went to Mavs

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Nil, whether unlucky fan or fans.Seems like the most important to everyone is his end destination, not his journey to the top.

  • GoodDayLA

    8pt, 2 asst is not valuable to any team out there.

  • CJSHYY

    Lamb even couldn’t get the inbound …. he’s a shooter only. smh!

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Be my guest.

  • Alain Gervais

    Evertime Lin finished the game he would say ” i want to put Lamb back in but……”

  • FreetheMind

    Lin played well and only got 20 mins. That’s a joke. Maybe they are trying to sign him on the cheap for long term but he is being screwed right now. Kemba is playing way too many minutes. Lin should not resign under this circumstance.

  • Alain Gervais

    Theres been enough games. Lin will average 20-22 minutes. An occasional 25 minute game. Anyways i think Its would be best to skip this season.

  • real-dsb

    If Lin plays 28+ mins vs GSW, the Hornets will have a small chance to pull off a big upset. But if Lin plays 20 or less mins, definite Hornets loss.

  • LinMad
  • Pete Roces

    If thats his mindset, LIn’s playing career will come to an end. This season might be his last.

  • blubell

    It’s not like he made the decision on a whim…

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You’re kidding right?

  • GoodDayLA

    all seasons will be like this for Lin from now on. Perhaps even worse. I still strongly hope Lin sees the CBA is best for him unless he becomes a selfish Harden stat padder over night.

  • grover chang

    Smart move to make that option.

  • Promo Sports World

    For ones health I suggest to “checkin” every now and then

  • LinMad

    ya I’m starting to lose faith in the NBA. I mean those tweets about Lin when he closes games and does well is great by the NBA but that’s not enough for me.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    No. Mavs always has been interested in DJ. Jeremy is either an afterthought or not even at their plans.

  • blubell

    How so? He’s eating up Jeremy’s minutes… and closing.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why wonder? Speak your mind. You called yourself NBA expert right?

  • Dan Cohen

    you wonder?
    everyone wonder dude!!!

  • GoodDayLA

    I have faith in Lin, but there is only so much he can control. NBA won’t let him shine.

  • Promo Sports World

    No way with that cba….getting 20 mins in the NBA is no small feat

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Several times got burned sitting Lin for Bev.

  • Dan Cohen

    anyone has stats when lin finishes the game vs not?

  • Dan Cohen

    team win stats

  • GoodDayLA

    no, it would be to STICK it to the NBA.

  • Dorothy

    It sort is though. He has been lied too many times now and keeps believing though….

  • Alain Gervais

    Overtime iv heard him say this I’m like” this is crazy” but now i look at it he maybe the most sane one

  • LinMad
  • JT

    man…**** the hornets and the NBA i’m done

  • Pete Roces

    Not everyone, Clifford will never wonder, he thinks Lin is just another scrub, so no need to play him.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    He’s not stupid! He’s naive and trusting 😉

  • Promo Sports World

    No way man….NBA guys in the cba would kill for 20 mins in the league

  • Alain Gervais

    At the talent he has its quite small and insulting

  • Tim Pham

    i’m just afraid that other nba teams, if they even want lin now, will give him this role or even lesser. sigh, we used to dream of lin making all-star, then it was okay, a productive starter, then okay, maybe a productive six man, then now, just let him have 20 mins, please ,please what? next? I know lin is happy to contribute however for his team, but I feel like if lin’s career is going to be like this, then his career never really got the chance to see how good he could have been. i feel like the window is closing and probably closed. IT sucks, Lin is 27, decreasing minutes every year, changing teams every year, is Lin ever even going to reach starter level? right now it looks as if it’s over.

  • AlexBB

    Hmmm..i am beginning to loose faith in Hornet and Cliff..not cool and not keeping to promise ..

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Lisa, thumb ups.

  • Dan Cohen

    12 and 7 mil
    vs
    2 mil

    case close

  • IsabeliJane*17

    That’s why everyone who is frustrated with his decision to play with the Hornets should have the balls to tweet him :), like right now.

  • GoodDayLA

    Lin is a PG. Let Lamb take those SG minute. Lin will never get Kemba’s spot.
    I honestly don’t know what Lin was thinking signing in Charlotte.

    He needs to realize he should sign up for the NBA and opt out this summer.

    Build the CBA and expel the NBA’s impact in Asia.

  • Alain Gervais

    Yea i think I’m close to that. Before Lin i early watched the NBA. I think I’m done. They’ve beaten out my hope. # coaches now. 4 years later. Its over man

  • Guest

    Can someone tell me why Lin wasn’t inserted back to the lineups when the game was on the line?

  • Alain Gervais

    Beginning??? You have a lot of hope

  • GoodDayLA

    bench guy

  • Pete Roces

    Clifford thinks he can win without Lin.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    If McHale got fired after taking the team to Western Conf, Cliff is not 100% safe either. But we’re talking about the low market.

  • Dan Cohen

    usually, I will say watch it! don’t want to ruin chem.. but then again, for a long time when he had lin out there finishing games, did they win most of the time? if they did.lisa has a biggie point.

    I for once will think it can be true as when lin drives in you have defender clamming up on him to allow open passes to others.

  • Briiick

    McHale thought he could win with Haren.

  • Dan Cohen

    12 and 7 mil
    vs
    2 mil

  • grover chang

    God works in ways we don’t expect. Not sure of the outcome but whatever the outcome Lin will do well.

  • Guest

    I hope to hear from sws94.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Bad gambler Cliff. Whenever Hornets gets the lead, he gambles on offense rather than defense. Jeremy’s unit has always been the best defensive unit just by being in the lineup.

  • Dan Cohen

    I saide that yesterday

  • Promo Sports World

    Can only wish for some Jeremy get busy games during the season…Chicago will needs a pg soon

  • Chopz

    Like we all know, no Lin, no Win. I was debating with someone a few days ago and they said coach was being consistent with Lin. Consistent my foot, consistently yanking him in and out. We all know the outcome would have probably been been different with Lin in the game. Even if not, I’ll take my chances with Lin any day.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Why did he gamble?

  • MoominFloren

    So what’s the difference between Clifford, Woodson, McHale, Sampson & BS?

  • occupatio

    i dont think hes dumb but smart ppl can also make dumb decisions

  • IsabeliJane*17

    You tell me, aren’t you the smarty pants here.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ido Amir‏@IdoAmir

    Would have the @hornets had a better chance of winning if @JLin7 played in the clutch vs #Cavs tonight?

    https://twitter.com/IdoAmir/status/670432371578159105

  • Briiick

    They will risk losing money if they pay Batum and find not much improvement in the team.

  • blubell
  • Clifford gambled to test Lamb to close games but he went bust.

    Kemba/Lin/Batum went so well at the end of Q2 but he went away from it.

    More losses like this will help them to see how’s really clutch when it really counts the most

  • Rick Johnson

    Not much apparently. Another season of frustration. SMH

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Ugh. I value defense over offense. This has to be the most hilarious post I’ve read about defense,especially with Jefferson at the lineup.

  • LinMad

    Having Al in the 4Q for defense was a dumb move. Same with Lamb. They are not good defenders. And I believe we only shot 17% in the 4th after Lin was sub’d out. Nothing to be happy about here. Bad coaching.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Smarty pants? Calling me name? Uh sound like you are a hypocrite here.

  • blubell

    and yet you’re here. lol.

  • Briiick

    They all called themselves defensive coaches.

  • Pete Roces

    LOL, so dumb….

  • Rick Johnson

    Didn’t he try to close with Lamb before and failed? Why does he keep going with that? Didn’t work to start games either.

  • Guest

    it’s all good. you both are huge lin fans. both are smart.thanks for the reply.

  • David Kim

    Q: What kind of team sees its player score 8pts in OT just a few nights ago yet STILL benches him in the clutch? A: @hornets #jeremylin— Ido Amir (@IdoAmir) November 28, 2015

  • John Focker

    Clifford’s attempt at stand up comedy.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Shouldn’t you be pleased I called you smart? I see what you are doing.Attack me again.

  • Rick Johnson

    Didn’t shoot well because Kemba didn’t move the ball around and went into hero – iso ball mode.

  • Probably the 3-yr contract to test if Lamb is clutch.

    Predictably, it failed since he can’t create much for himself.
    He’s good shooter but not a creator

  • Guest

    Hornets lost due to poor rebounding. They were outrebounded by the Cavs.

  • CaliUSMC

    What a crap game. At least this was nice.

  • MomentousPetey

    FACEPALM

  • LinMad

    I support Ido. I know some Hornet fans and even Lin fans think he’s a little extreme but he speaks the truth.

  • real-dsb

    I’m not going to automatically lump the Hornets and Clifford in with his previous 2 teams. Here’s why:

    This year, Lin is having his highest PTS/36M and USAGE by far in the past 4 years, and not that far off from Knicks days. (Stats from this year to previous years):
    PTS/36: 17.4, 15.7, 15.6, 14.9, 19.6
    USAGE: 24.4%, 21.9%, 20.4%, 20.8%, 28.1%

    So that shows that when Lin does play, he gets to do a lot more. It’s better than having lots of minutes and not doing anything. Right now, it seems that Clifford is still basing his PT off matchups. Hopefully by midseason, Clifford will play Lin more regardless of matchups.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    What am I doing? Am I chasing you around? Seem like you have a problem with me personally.

  • blubell

    Relax guys. End the discussion here and agree to disagree.

  • Chopz

    It didn’t even take a few nights. He benched him in 4th quarter the next game after his clutch performance. They got the win against the wizards because the wiz players could’t make a bucket to save their lives. Then clifford thought he could pull that trick again, woh woh woh, no lin no win.

  • Guest

    Kembas usually does his iso moves whenver he receives the ball from his teammates. He did have some nice moves, but the team just couldn’t win when he failed to do his PG job.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    He doesn’t have the composure yet to hold a team’s lead, and right on the match ups.

  • LinMad

    this move is buzzing

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba. So simple bc Lin was not supposed to play main key in that OT.

  • LinMad

    I swear, Lin could take on Lebron

  • Guest

    You’re RIGHT!

  • My biggest problem is he went away with what worked at the end of Q2 (Kemba/Lin/Batum).

    I hope with more losses of not having JLin to close games, he can convince himself and other coaches/FO that they simply need JLin to win games.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    FYI you’re the one who started this. Chasing off people with positive comments,creating posters divide. I’ve warned you ENOUGH already.

  • Tim Pham

    SERIOUS QUESTION: Is there any hope for lin to ever have starter level minutes in the nba anymore? He’s going to turn 28 next year and if he can’t get minutes on this hornet squad, where else can he really go? It’s so sad that this is probably the reality. I want to be positive but nothing in the last 3 years has given me hope of anything else.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Oh please, whoever can’t see that must have their head buried in the sand!

  • LinMad

    76ers? Or one of the bottom 2 teams from each conference except the Lakers.

  • Alain Gervais

    Idk man i just don’t know. At this point it would take a fool to believe so

  • cdblue10

    Pray forD’Antoni to get a coaching job

  • Guest

    Too bad there are many Lin fans couldn’t see it.

  • LinMad

    ya this is the way next season.

  • Chopz

    So clifford plays lin the whole 4th quarter in a handful of games and they win, he gets his contract extension, and the next 2 games Lin sits out the most of the 4th quarter. Either plain coincidence or just plain stupidity.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I lean more on stupidity.Dude doesn’t know how to strategize and keep leads.

  • LinMad

    maybe Cliff is trying to prove that he doesn’t need Lin to win games (incase he doesn’t resign with Hornets) except he actually does need him against teams like Cavs.

  • Chopz

    Thats what mchale tried to do, and we know what happened to him don’t we?

  • xeroid

    I have to pin this loss on Clifford. When he took Lin out at 6+ minutes mark I thought he would put him back at 3 minutes when Hornets fell behind. Look at the assists, Lin tied with 2 others at 4 with his limited minutes, but his assists were more meaningful, bounce pass to Hawes for easy lay up, alley-oop to Lamb, passed to Kemba for 3 on his first score after he missed others, and passed to streaking Zeller for lay up and +1. After Lin left there were low ball movements, and jumpers mostly miss with no easy baskets.

  • guest

    Exactly. That’s why I don’t get why some Lin fans troll this board by clamoring that Curry is sooo good, etc, etc. smh

  • Alain Gervais

    He took Lin out at the 7 or 8 minute mark. Real real early

  • LinMad

    hopefully same results for Cliff if he keeps this up. Once Lin leaves Hornets, it’s a wrap. The franchise will be reduced to a small market again. Right now, I would say Hornets is liek a medium market now thanks to Lin’s popularity.

  • Al

    I spoke to a conductor a couple years ago. He said it is not too hard to study conducting. The hardest thing is to find an orchestra that is willing to give you a chance to conduct.

  • Steppen03

    CCliff… SAD…
    NO LIN, NO WIN!!
    No trust in JL7 to close to game ??!? SMH..!!!

  • Rick Johnson

    Why do all these coaches seem to have this desire to see if they can win without Lin? It’s like having a turbocharger in your car and you keep trying to see if you can win races without it. ????

  • occupatio

    in other news, sixers have a chance to beat the rox. 6 min left.

  • Briiick

    Just admit that you don’t have a respectable offense flow without Lin.

  • cdblue10

    Go sixers

  • LinMad

    Funny thing is that Jeremy Lin is ranked 5th on NBA pulse for his social media buzz tonight. Especially for his ankle breaker on Lebron and probably for not letting him close in the 4th. Hornets need to realize Lin should be the face of the franchise.

    http://www.nba.com/pulse/

  • John Focker

    I have more fun watching Rox and Lakers lose than watching Hornets win w/o Lin, seriously. I’m actually glad Hornets lost a winnable game tonight.

  • occupatio

    up 7!

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin played 15 minutes first haif and 5 the second haif

  • MoominFloren

    Go 76ers
    Get me some news tonite!

  • Rick Johnson

    Do teams have to go into a big losing streak to finally in desperation try to utilize Lin? Even MDA did that.

  • Yellow

    Morey can take a page from Hinski to tank many seasons to come..yay

  • blubell

    Lucky #7 lol

  • LinMad

    it was kind of entertaining today cause Hornets loss w/o Lin.

  • John Focker

    More bench for stealing Kemba thunder.

  • Rick Johnson

    76ers ahead of Rockets 104-99. 6:22 left in 4th Qtr. 76ers usually choke in the stretch though. That’s why they’re the 76ers.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Sixers can lead but they never win.

  • LinMad

    Kemba doesn’t get thunder on the web. Batum doesn’t either. They can score 35 pts in a game and no one really talks about it on social media. Lin can score like 17-21 pts and he’ll rank top 3 on NBA pulse.

  • heart

    That’s Christian value. Believing in someone is not wrong. The question we have to ask is why ‘they’ can take advantage of Lin without backlash? and not others? Lin did his due diligence. He verified w/Coach Silas and had long ‘understanding talks’ with Cliff this time before signing. But he cannot control the other person’s behaviors /actions when that person turns on you. When someone breaks his/her promises to you, the breach is on that person. That’s why he has an “Opt-Out” and I hope he will use it.

  • xeroid

    Look, Lin will be a success whichever career he decides to continue. There is life after basketball, I suspect he will succeed if he decide to preach even though I am an atheist.

  • John Focker

    Hence the benching.

  • Briiick

    Yes Lamb is a one dimensional player, no defense, no assist, no rebound. And his offense is average to be honest.

  • occupatio

    that makes no sense

  • joyce ward

    That is why I say this game was in favor for Cavaliers to win. Clifford gave up to easily in the end. He had the worst possible lineup in 4th quarter and he knew it. NBA is very crooked and political. The stage is already being set for a showdown with LBJ and Steph Curry.

  • Dorothy

    Exactly

  • Steppen03

    NO, CCliff Still wants to win at all cost – Not taking any chances of Not making playoffs. Problem here, Clearly – He DONT Trust JL7 to come through and help get the W. Just keep doing this and you will see a losing streak. Hey, I’m happy – Mr.4th Quarter is Not to blame for loss in close game =).

  • occupatio

    refs handing game to rox.

  • heart

    The momentum turned to Cavs favor when Cliff took Lin out. Cliff tried to see if he can win against a playoff team Cavs w/o Lin at home for MJ and fans view of the Hornets future. Result: Failed. Don’t be surprised Cliff will try again.

  • LinMad

    what doesn’t make sense? Lin ranking 5th?

  • Dorothy

    Hope Lin learns a big life lesson– do not believe in people’s sales pitch, never.

  • blubell

    Includes Jeremy’s CnS, alley oop to Lamb, and Stephanie Ready’s “Jeremy Lin is sooo good.”
    https://twitter.com/hornets/status/670438829954740224

  • or consistent losing with the starters + Lamb

  • occupatio

    no surprise, sixers are pure garbage

  • Briiick

    MDA at least kept playing Lin once he recognized his talent.

  • Alain Gervais

    Every time Lin improves they lower his minutes

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Cliff promised Lin explicitly that he would let him play through mistakes. Losing the ball because your teammate was thrown into you is not really a mistake. I hope we stop hearing lectures on how Cliff is Mr. Wonderful next to McHale and BS

  • Dan Cohen

    hope lin learns a big life lesson, don’t accept a pay WAY less than a scrubs pay.

  • Chopz

    Its not freakin rocket science – Lin is a playmaker, the best on the team at getting scoring opportunities for others as well as himself. He’s also the best defender to date on this team.

    All the signs say this way is the “freeway entrance” so let Lin the Lamborghini take u home, but no way says the coach, let me see where this “do not enter” sign take us, oh no the wrong way! And straight to another loss in what could have a winnable game, among other losses that could have been winnable, sigh.

  • Dan Cohen

    wait, 76ers AHEAD of rox???

  • LinJa

    They lost because they didn’t play jlin in closing minutes PERIOD.

  • Briiick

    He didn’t, that was why he insisted to have a player’s option.

  • Guest

    tell that to sws94.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Sorry Dorothy, he will be hearing as many sales pitch as his ears could handle while he’s in the NBA.

  • Dorothy

    Everybody hears sales pitch, but not everybody believes it…

  • blubell

    Well, anything is better than McHale and BScott.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    If you don’t want him to believe sales pitches, then he’s out of the NBA.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    He would ask for that no matter what and he would opt out no matter how well they treats him this season to negotiate a higher salary.

  • CJSHYY

    Lin played well. He was out bc time was up… bench PG it’s around 18 to 20 min per game. smh!

  • Dorothy

    He did, that is why he took a pay cut and came. i believe one of the factors he had player’s option is because he did not know how long Clifford would be the coach.

  • Dan Cohen

    12 and 7 mil
    vs
    2 mil
    case closed.

  • Chopz

    For now thats true, but keep this up for the whole year, and cliffords name will be 3rd on ur list.

  • Rick Johnson

    They were. Hinkie must have a “choke” button to prevent them from wining games.

  • Dorothy

    huh? why so?

  • Guest

    Any imminent trades for the Hornets?

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! How can you trust NBA GM & Coach’s promise?

  • blubell

    And he’ll be here all season (and more) folks. lol.

  • heart

    Thought you’re not following/watching Lin anymore? Nice to know you’re still here. What about when Lin was 15mil vs 1mil Bev, etc.? What’s the logic then?

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Because every season, every trading deadline, every summer he will be hearing sales pitch as to “why you should play for our team”/”why you should endorse our products”. You don’t want him to believe in sales pitch? Then he should leave NBA.He’s hearing a lot of sales pitches now with trade deadline looming.He would be listening, assessing which sales pitch thinks is good for him.

  • LinMad

    Lin should not resign with Hornets unless they promise him 15 million a year and at least 30 minutes play time. If they don’t do that, time for the franchise meltdown.

    I would have accepted 7-8 mln a year if Lin was treated better this season. But nah, 15 mln it is.

  • Teal

    Lin gotta show us what he’s made of as a Harvard Econs grad. Come on, Lin, get your agent do a better job in structuring the contract.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Exactly!

  • Alain Gervais

    Promise????

  • LinMad

    I mean offer him a contract for $15 mln and guaranteed minutes

  • Rzo Vlade

    stop posting any hornets media related here trash team

  • MoominFloren

    at least not throwing under the bus,,,but still

  • Alain Gervais

    Lin has had big contract before and still lost his job. Ive completely lost hope. Its over

  • CJSHYY

    He will not stay…

  • IsabeliJane*17

    I have yet to see a poster who can actually “walk the talk” and unfollow Jeremy Lin.

  • JoeTeam

    lol, Cliff did not let JLin close.

  • LinMad

    needs guaranteed minutes in his next contract. I have hope MDA will get a job and Lin will follow him.

  • dlin2

    Khuang is silent. So is tina etc

  • Chopz

    There’s only one Mr. Wonderful – Paul Orndorff and clifford is definitely not that. He’s more like a Mr. Horrible right now, horrible coaching.

    https://youtu.be/rJLbBsrzWfg

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Silent is very and vastly different from unfollow.

  • Alain Gervais

    How??

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    MDA?

  • LinMad

    through a miracle

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Just raising the bar for JLin. Till he is so good that he will be DNP CD…

  • LinMad

    why unfollow Lin? They should be blasting hornets on Twitter.

  • Guest

    JLin fans have their lives to live too. Sometimes we just need to take a breather to focus on our own lives by not visiting fan sites too often. LOL

  • Charlie S

    It’s a tale of almost biblical proportions huh? JLin’s never ending quest to find a home. Still wandering the desert. The Book of Jeremy is never dull.

  • Dan Cohen

    Oh btw from that other post, I never say I completely unfollowed him.. I said still look at his stats and everything…that’s a big difference if someone else here can’t comprehend that..not you. Posting here is will intermittently until he really loses it completely as in 8 and 2 . then I will stop completely. There is still hope.

  • dlin2

    His NBA career is close to over anyways. He will sign with whoever.

  • Alain Gervais

    Linsanity has already happened which looks very sane now. They are all against him. Its just over. 4 coaches now has turned they’re back on him.

  • Alain Gervais

    Kind of repetitive

  • David Kim

    GT: Cavs @ Hornets, 11/27 7:00

    From Realgm comments

    #1 Post#383 » by BigSlam » 3 minutes ago

    Watched the game on delay. Just got done. Haven’t read our GT yet. Will do so after this. Will say though:

    Gritty, gritty game by our guys.

    With about 5 or 6 mins to go in the 4th after we couldn’t get anything going for a while i would have liked to have seen Lin in the game next to Kemba in the back court. I feel Lin might have had a good chance of getting us going when no one else could.

    #2 Re: GT: Cavs @ Hornets, 11/27 7:00

    Post#384 » by BatumtheGlue » 1 minute ago

    I think Lin should close the game tonight. We just played against a contender, i prefer this loss than the loss against the Knicks.

    #3 Re: GT: Cavs @ Hornets, 11/27 7:00

    Post#386 » by Flip Murray » 1 minute ago

    Fair enough. I agree we should’ve gone with Lin. Once we stagnated for a couple of minutes Cliff needed to make an adjustment.

    #4Re: GT: Cavs @ Hornets, 11/27 7:00

    Post#381 » by steady » 5 minutes ago

    Braggins wrote:Don’t get me wrong, I think Lin probably should have closed this game, but some people are overreacting a bit about it. I don’t really think it was the biggest contributing factor to the loss.

    I agree with this

    But I understand the upset. I am a big Lamb fan dating back to his brief time in Houston – well before his breakout game against the Bulls . But you take someone who is used to playing spot minutes and suddenly ask him to close big games … It’s going to be rough more often than not

  • Teal

    There are teams waiting for him next season while their own “stars”/players phasing out. Lin will find his home.

  • LinMad

    i’m just waiting for the day he says screw it! and pulls an Omer Asik. Doesn’t show up to practice. Doesn’t play for the team. Shows the current coach he’s not happy rather than waiting until the season is over to say anything. I just don’t like seeing Lin trying so hard on a team that doesn’t trust him.

    He almost never gets credit for games that he helps close and win anyways. It’s always Cliff praising Kemba and Batum.

  • Dan Cohen

    reality is that this is really his last year to show anything..and sad to say to do that..’someon’e has to be injured and have too ‘force’ him to play and start. That’s how reggie jackson got his 80 million.

  • JoeTeam

    I watched from 3 mins 3Q to 2 mins before the end. Clear as day. No Lin no Win. Kemba could not generate any offense, and that was clear by 5 mins left. Cliff should have changed it up. He did not, so he lost. Kemba missed a wide open inside jumper. Batum missed an open 3 and a not so contested 2 midrange.

    CHAzzz are not HOU with a Harden and Howard. The could have won tonight, and they cannot afford to go with this weak ending combo.

    Why then? I think it’s because Lin is Ronin, and maybe they need to get trade value up for 2 things – increase in salary cap and wheeling dealing to come.

    They could say Hey Mr Lin, we’ll give you more if you commit, but Lin would not be wise to do so. So, all he needs is to say efficient and count on his team to get him to a good K and role on a team that can commit to him, starter or 2nd unit. 2nd unit on a bad team is not worth it, though, he’s too good.

  • occupatio

    does the desert have the head of the snake?

  • Yascar

    In that case, you have a very very short memory.

  • Dan Cohen

    I would if he is 8 and 2 this season. book it.

  • JoeTeam

    just what i thot n said in a diid way … at five min, there was time.

  • Yascar

    The day he does that is the day his NBA career ends. Be careful what you wish for.

  • IsabeliJane*17

    Uh huh, sure.

  • LinMad

    I also can’t wait until Kemba gets injured from playing 30+ minutes a night and Lin saying “SCREW IT! Play Brian Roberts instead cause you never trusted me anyways”

  • Chopz

    They’ll start losing and this will happen:
    https://youtu.be/1YWDLjvfEs4

  • LinMad

    I don’t mind cause he’ll probably play CBA next and make 100x more money than he is now and get bigger than he’s ever been. NBA will miss Lin when that day comes.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    MIL game belongs to Lin.

  • John Focker

    Ever heard of Allen Iverson?

  • JoeTeam

    I will keep an eye out on MIL then.

  • dlin2

    Thats what they said the last game

  • CJSHYY

    Thanks for the infor. that do make me feel better.

  • Dan Cohen

    On one side, I have to blame cliff because you are varying way too much on who is closing.. it requires mental shift..and another hand, I can’t because he might be trying to balance who is closing and let others have a chance.. it’s like making sure your players or workers are satisfy.. that is a tough job in itself.

    imho , unless someone is hurt or just not performing or not performing what he watns, then you stick with the closing team.. that closing team itself also has chemisty..not just the starters team…or the 2nd unit,

  • CJSHYY

    But Sun it’s easy one?!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Just like the rest of the Bible.

  • Dan Cohen

    do we have stats of lin closing games vs not closing.

  • LinMad

    I predict MJ will show up next game courtside and somehow Lin will get to play over 25 minutes. I’ve seen this happen before after Lin fans vented on Twitter about his minutes.

  • Dan Cohen

    not if cliff does the same thing todqy

  • jeremy

    Doubt it
    Why do people expect so much of MJ lol

  • John Focker

    When it comes to Lin, stats are irrelevant. Lin started regular season with PER of 21.5+, and was iced with steadily decreasing minutes since.

  • Dan Cohen

    why ? mj wasn’t there today? thi is against the top team in the east though..why won’t he be there

  • Yascar

    I think he will mind though. imo

  • Rzo Vlade

    most puzzling is when jlin is on the floor no plays call for him…….playing small minutes and no plays for him when his in …hornets trash

  • Rick Johnson

    Why doesn’t Kemba ever get into foul trouble and have to sit out? Is he given a pass on defense or something?

  • LinMad

    I didn’t see him on his usual spot.

    The thing is I don’t think it should ever come to this where Lin fans have to bash Hornets FO/Coach before Lin gets his opportunity. Lin should always get his opportunity whether he is still undecided to resign with Hornets next season or not. Batum is in same situation as Lin but Batum is getting his and Lin is not.

    Meanwhile, Lin is bringing so much attention and revenue to Hornets. I’m surprised they didn’t give Lin the green light over Batum. This is going to be a meltdown for the Hornets if Lin keeps on getting garbage minutes.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I think if Cliff didn’t try with this group closing (without Lin) nobody will know if it works. Well on hindsight the trial failed. And now Cliff has every right to stick to the winning formula ie with JLin. I maybe wrong but that’s the closes I can guess.

  • Briiick

    Cliffraud has no offense. If he had a good sense of offensive flow, he wouldn’t have had several seasons of well below average offense in the league. His job is earned by his defensive skill. But now he screws Lin to play the defense for Walker and Batum and you know what happen when Lin is sitting.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin will increase min next game… bc last time when his min cut down around 15 min then increase next game …. and so on…. I guess next game probably around 22 min + or – …..

  • Dan Cohen

    no, I mean team wise…when he closes..how many games he wins vs if he didn’t

  • LinMad

    ya, i predict more though.

  • CJSHYY

    He’s #1 guy in this team. He got green light for everything.

  • Briiick

    Yeah, I wonder about it too. Maybe he is just displaying defense since Lin is asked to do the heavy weight lifting.

  • heart

    We all tried, didn’t we to root for Hornets to win until Cliff took Lin, Mr. 4th quarter, out of the 4th Quarter!

  • LinMad

    cause in the end it’s MJ’s franchise he has to protect. Same thing happened to Lakers too. The time Lin got DNP’d by Byron, we all let Jeanie Buss know that and then next game Lin got to play a lot of minutes and I think he even started (i can’t remember it fully but the game was satisfying to Lin fans cause I think he scored big and the Lakers won)

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Lin is in the NBA playing for a team owned by MJ, the greatest player of all time. Today he broke the ankles of Lebron who many argue is currently the best player. Next week he will compete against his friend Steph who may become the GOAT.

    As someone who has devoted his life to playing BB, why would Lin even consider giving up being part of History? He has a contract for this year and he can opt into one next year. Anyone who mentions the CBA is trolling.

  • jeremy

    Byron was gonna play him
    nothing to do with Jeanie

  • Briiick

    Yeah I guess so. But his minute/role will be cut down again if he ever shines over Walker and Batum.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I was rooting for overtime.

  • LinMad

    ya don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be that angry if we won without Lin closing. Just like last game where Lin didn’t close and we won. But obviously, Lin was doing a good job at playmaking and defense today. He should have closed and the reason we lost was because of benching Lin. I just don’t like how Cliff is giving Lin inconsistent playing time. If you’re going to play him 15 minutes per game, play him 15 minutes per game so all the Lin fans know. Im tired of hoping Lin wll get his chance or not.

    I don’t like when Hornet fans say I’m just an angry LOF when I do want the Hornets to win. Just play Lin more and let him close games. I’ll be rooting for Hornets every game if that happens.

  • John Focker

    Perhaps with the exception of the OT win, Hornets wins are not attributed/credited to Lin closing.

  • Briiick

    Cliff didn’t deserve our support when he marginalized Lin and thought he could get away with it.

  • Chopz

    Count me in, i tried. Include lin in the games is all we ask, we don’t need highest points or him to be top dog, just to be involved in helping the team win and we’re good.

  • blubell

    Yup, because stats matter now more than ever.

  • CJSHYY

    Not Batum only Kemba bc they have the same position. Lin will in danger Batum’s job but Kemba.

  • heart

    Yep. And this is what it has come for us to rooting for OT when we don’t see Lin in the 4th.

  • blubell

    Please revise the first word.

  • MomentousPetey

    GoodDayLA, lol

  • Briiick

    Ok

  • CJSHYY

    Bc he didn’t think they can win… LOL!

  • heart

    Yep. And Hornets wonder why Lin fans loosing patience…

  • blubell

    Thanks!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    When Batum shot from 3 I screamed No! We need 2 to tie. Smh

  • CJSHYY

    So right now no postgm interview for Lin anymore? smh! In Lakers & Rox, no matter how bad his stats were … they always gave him interview… now they really treated him like normal bench? Hate this team. smh!

  • Dan Cohen

    CBA!
    hahah

  • LinMad

    CBA for half a season if Cliff keeps this up? Then next season Lin can go on a different team. It’s a great way to show he’s not happy with Hornets treatment.

  • Dan Cohen

    problem is that even with that move, the shot didn’t go in, so most ppl will say doesn’t count.
    If it did go in, half of the ppl will say lucky move.

  • Dan Cohen

    NO

  • LinMad

    YESSS

  • Guest

    That’s ok, I don’t want Lin to waste his PR time on a team that doesn’t deliver promises.

  • LinMad

    whatever, he still got social buzz from it.

  • CJSHYY

    Batum is not the guy can make the last shot either… he never made it just like Kemba.

  • Dan Cohen

    No, lin won’t even be in the OT if lin is not in the 4th.. because clifford usually keep the same lineup out there to stop destroying chem to have a new player in…that’s how he is…he did that before. mchale is different.

  • LinMad

    lol

  • blubell

    His interviews were on and off but the last two game not much to interview about.

  • Dan Cohen

    NOOOO

  • aras

    im looking at this board and seeing people write that Lins career is over after this year and what not… the guy is averagin 11 points 3 assist and around 3 rebounds on so so minutes….considering the circumstances he had played well…if he does not resign with charlotte there are plenty of other teams out there for him….i still have faith in that this team is good for him its a long season and you can see clifford is still experimenting with who finishes and not. tonight it was lamb who was not good down the stretch.

  • Guest

    Any League that Jeremy Lin play in, there will be instant boost of viewership, publicity and ultimately, many times more profitable. If the NBA loses Jeremy LIn, it will also lose lots of $$$$$$$

  • Dan Cohen

    problem is most people here want linsanity 25 and 10… me including.

  • LinMad

    sad thing is that they are using Lin’s revenue that comes from China and Chinese companies to promote other players on the team. I can’t wait for Lin to leave Hornets. They are leeching him.

  • CJSHYY

    Bc he didn’t close game… I really hate this team. smh!

  • blubell

    Very unfortunate 🙁

  • Chopz

    I call MDA, mike d’antoni the “Great Rider of Secretariat” cuz like he said: “i’m gonna ride Lin like secretariat.”

  • heart

    Yep. Giving inconsistent minutes/role yet demands consistent performance from Lin.

  • Rick Johnson

    Was this posted earlier? Only just saw it:

    Intro to Dramatic Theater with Professor Lin – 11/27/15

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2015/11/27/1448665458864-Dramatic-Theater—1127.mp4-140190

  • CJSHYY

    What is this? Calm Lin’s fans down bc they didn’t give him the playing time? This lousy team. @#$%^

  • Briiick

    Batum is Cliff’s answer to the management’s wish to speed up offense. Cliff’s offense is below average and he doesn’t want to move out of his comfort zone (to play Lin’s game). He wants to pad Batum’s stats (such as starting PJ to defend for Batum) to make him happy enough to stay.

  • Pete Roces

    exactly, they use Lin to earn as much as they can, but will never give him enough minutes to pad his stats, in short, they( NBA ) don’t want Lin to shine!

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    He played very well tonight but has just 7 points to show for it. He won’t be able to maintain an 11 pt avg at this usage.

  • blubell

    Haha. Good job Psycho T and Tank.

  • aras

    well then the problem here is people expect instant success for lin in charlotte…it takes time new team new coach they need to gel….chemistry in which we see when lamb and lin play that has to happen for the team as a whole.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Lin wants to compete against Steph Curry not Marbury.

  • kjch

    I don’t mind that. I don’t think he enjoys interviewing after losses anyway

  • LinMad

    whatever it’s gonna hurt the Hornets more than help them if Lin leaves. Maxxis Tires gone. Chinese viewers and support gone. Lin fans support gone.

  • Chopz

    I’m cool with 15 and 5. Just want solid minutes.

  • golfhacker

    Hornets have played 16 games. If Hairston is still starting after 20 games (1/4 of the season), then there is something wrong with Clifford. If coach moves Batum to SF and inserts Lin at SG, then all will be forgiven.

  • aras

    i believe lin will have no problem keeping that number he shot the ball 3/6 tonight he shot the ball 6 times shooting 50% He can create shots for himself these past few games have been ashooting slump

    Oh and its a loooong season

  • blubell
  • Pete Roces

    Not necessarily trolling, judging from the treatment Lin gets from all these NBA teams, it clearly shows the pattern and agenda of NBA, they are driving Lin away from the league, they don’t want him to shine. Sad to say,CBA is clearly the better choice for Lin if he wants to have more minutes atm unless MDA returns.

  • LinMad

    wow, I was not looking forward to this interview. They lost. They should only interview Lin on wins where he closes the game.

  • CJSHYY

    Bc lose so he talked just like in Rox… No show for Harden w lose game.

  • Yascar

    Last time he got one, people complained that he only got 14 mins and he they still interviewed him.

    Other people complain the NBA is exploiting him and yet you want him to get a post game?

    So which is it? He gets a post game so the NBA is exploiting him or he doesn’t and this team is trash?

    Smh

  • Rick Johnson

    Why they asking him those questions about losing in the stretch. He should just say “because I wasn’t in the game down the stretch !!”

  • I know we’re all unhappy with this latest Lamb experiment by Coach Clifford but let’s be careful not to flood Hornets blog sites with too many comments.

    I would encourage Lin fans to simply leave the facts that JLin could’ve helped with ball movement so they won’t shoot 3-17 in CLE 16-8 run. Just don’t get lengthy discussion since it can be seen as hijacking the site and they would hate JLin. We need Hornets fans too to get on board as Hornets mount more losses w/ Lin not closing games.

    I expect several more games with Lamb to close out games to show that he’s not as big a difference maker as JLin.
    Let’s get Hornets fans to see this fact because we all want Hornets to win. JLin is a big part of that whether they can see it or not at the moment.

    Let’s practice some self-restraint on Hornets sites as Lin fans.

  • Guest

    I don’t want Lin to leave the NBA and I’m certain he won’t quit. Lin has many objectives to achieve. I’m just giving an idea that the NBA should treasure Lin as a very valuable asset and not treat him like an unwanted son.

  • Guest

    I want to skinzz those fellas who do that to Lin.

  • CaliUSMC

    Anyone watching the GS game? Curry 8-12 on 3pointers. wtFf

  • CJSHYY

    They just wanted to show Lin’s fans we let him talked now…smh! So sick & tired of this. Why every team he went all the same… what he afraid of the most — cut his playing time, not able to close the game… always repeat again & again. smh!

  • Chopz

    Yes Chef Curry and not Starbury. Splash brothers and not beijing ducks.

  • Guest

    Cliff is too old to move out of his comfort zone. darn it.

  • blubell

    He kinda did when he said the game got away from them even before last 2 minutes.

  • Rick Johnson

    Ya, I caught that. Not sure the regular Hornets media got it though.

  • Pete Roces

    what else is new, GSW fully supports him thats why he is performing like this, if he is being yanked just like Lin, I wonder if he still plays this good.

  • kjch

    I think before Lin broke into NBA, he considered playing in Europe? I’m not saying he should go but league in Europe probably ranks ahead of CBA.

  • Chopz

    No worries from me, I’ll just flood the heck out of this site. You’ll have to build an ark by the time i’m done flooding : )

  • John Focker

    Imagine if people told Jackie Robinson to leave MLB to go play in some local league in Africa.

    Lin’s a trailblazing pioneer with a mission to open the door for future comers, not a quitter just looking for fame, money and localized success.

  • Chopz

    Chef curry serving up 3 meals for thanksgiving.

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t know about others but I never even bother to visit any of them since Lin signed w this team bc what they said don’t weight on the team at all. Plus so far Hornets media are nice to Lin. In fact, I don’t think they really talk a lot like Rox or Lakers when lose the game.

  • LinMad

    Oh look Hornets finally promoted Lin today as an Asian professor who can’t sing. This is the limelight he really needs to turn his career around (sarcasm)

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/2015/11/28/1448682410888-151127-Lin.mov-140809/

  • blubell

    You’re mods’ nightmare. LOL. Vent away… but within the rules!

  • CJSHYY

    Didn’t watch the interview. Only one reporter, right?

  • Pete Roces

    All leagues are better than NBA for Lin at this moment, NBA is doing all they can to drive him away.

  • kjch

    I think people posting about CBA understand this concept… They must be just trolling…..

  • heart

    So Lin gets interviewed when he was not playing in the 4th when the game got away and resulted in a loss. Lin is adept and equipped w/ the ever diplomatic intelligent response.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Make it up to him for short playing time on court. Just like last game that D of the game?! Ya! smh!

  • LinMad

    at least he gets minutes on these short clips lol

  • LinMad

    must be protecting Al, Kemba, Batum for that lost

  • CJSHYY

    I guess they will let him plays more next game… maybe 5 min… smh!

  • LinMad

    yep, a lot of Chinese TV contracts that were signed with NBA would turn into a bad deal.

  • Uh-Oh

    Yup!

  • Chopz

    I lost count but in the 2nd quarter Lin was snatching rebounds left and right, dang he was on par to have a solid night. Broke lebron’s ankles on that one missed shot so that was nice.

  • Maknusia

    i wont be surprised…before the season end…he might be hitting 60pts

  • Guest

    then they should sue the nba for loss compensation.

  • CJSHYY

    Kemba the most not Al.

  • heart

    Don’t count on it or you’ll be disappointed. Only when there’s mounting loss and Cliff desperately needs a win. And only then Lin will only be used for his D not his O and D.

  • LinMad

    if this keeps up, team chemistry will probably dissolve pretty soon. Im sure Hornet players read some of our comments on Twitter and they might get butt hurt but that’s how it’s going to be when Lin doesn’t get a fair opportunity. Hornets fans can blame it on the coaching.

    I think this is the same reason Kobe started hating on Lin. It’s cause we speak up for Lin and we’re brutally honest about what’s causing Lin not to get his playing time or opportunity. But really, we should all be direct the hate to Clifford/Hornets FO and not the players. Last season, we directed it to Kobe cause we all knew Kobe had Byron under his control.

  • John Focker

    Trying to cover the initial mistake of not drafting Lin by “proving” the false narrative of Lin not belonging in the NBA. Shame shame shame.

  • Chopz

    Watching Lin is like watching the walking dead show, right when it gets good, the show is over. Gotta wait til next week, is it good? Dang, shows over again. They’re trying to kill him off like Glenn.

  • that’s why it’s best not to get overheated.

    I simply state the facts that CLE 16-8 run happened after Lin sat & they shoot poorly at 3-17.
    Then we should take the high road to expect Hornets coaches to utilize Lin’s help on D & playmaking to close games in the future.

    Just bring the awareness and be polite about it.
    It should stay in their mind when they struggle again without JLin next games.

  • John Focker

    Kobe didn’t need anyone’s help on hating, he does an outstanding job on his own.

    Ever heard of Shaq? How about D12 throwing away 30M?

  • LinMad

    but how long do we have to polite before Lin finds a home? I cannot call Hornets a home for Lin right now. He seems marginalized worse than Lakers and Rockets did him.

  • Briiick

    They are trying to get away with marginalizing Lin from time to time for the benefits of the chosen players.

  • John Focker

    Harden and Bledsoe, “da man” of their teams, getting exposed.

  • Chopz

    It’s too late. I’ve taken the low road and blew the gasket on my engine : )

  • Yascar

    I don’t think anybody needs to be reminded to vent.

  • real-dsb

    Being impolite fans doesn’t help Lin get more minutes or more respect by commentators.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    They should give him especially good treatment but instead they marginalize him. I don’t understand why they can’t at least treat him fairly.

  • cdblue10

    I don’t have an account on any of their sites and I’m not planning to join them,I’m still a Laker fan at heart although it disheartened me at this time,no way I’m joining any other teams sports site.I just leave all my frustrations here like the old times.

  • Maknusia

    personally I think this might continue till the 20th game….lets see

  • Steppen03

    Oh well…
    Just hope CCliff comes around and get his head out of the sand and trust JL7 for wins. JL7- just have to hang in there – be patience and keep on working.
    On to my other joy: Watching GS Warriors’ Awesome Run. Let’s GO!!

  • kittyhead

    I dont care about it anyway. They treat Lin as the 9th man and Lamb is one of their core players. Action always speak louder than words. Hope some ppl who still defend for Clifford cant stop saying Lamb doesnt affect Lin’s playing time.

  • Guest

    I have been rather mildly sceptical about Jeremy found a home when the Hornets didn’t make an attempt to be more contract friendly toward Lin. But I looked at Cho and Cliff and I thought hey, let’s give them a quarter of the season to see if they truly walk the talk.

    So now, I’m sad and afraid to be right about them not strong and noble enough to deliver their promises. Oh well, life isn’t fair and there are many weak minded liars around and Lin is just unfortunate to have to dela with many of them. There was M&M , BS, and now C&C…sigh

  • blubell

    Same here. I badly wanted Jeremy and the Lakers to work out. It was a perfect for me when Jeremy signed with the Lakers but unfortunately it was the opposite for Jeremy 🙁

  • Yascar

    And you think blasting a team’s fan site is going to help Lin find a home? How does that work?

  • your son’s voltaire

    bledsoe has tyson setting killer picks but he never passes it to tyson on the role. instead, he takes it himself all the time. so selfish

  • real-dsb

    Clifford told Lin he would be a key reserve, and he is.

    Rockets and Lakers told him he would be their starting PG, and they marginalized him to backup.

    While we all want him to get even more minutes, 23.3 mins is actually pretty good for coming off the bench. And his current 24.4% usage and 17.7 pts/36 is significantly higher than the past 3 years.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Players are not responsible for what their crazy fans tweet.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin is the 9th man on the roster. not even close to being a key reserve

  • we should do whatever it takes to be strategic

    Being polite goes a long way to get others see our POV
    If others refuse to see it, we can still be polite about it.

    When they keep losing w/o Lin, they’ll remember our POV and gets on board quickly.
    That’s how it works to change people’s mind slowly.

    We don’t have to win a debate to change people’s mind.
    If we’re polite and respectful, they’ll definitely consider our thoughts.
    OTOH being rude will close their mind completely.

    So let’s be strategic

  • real-dsb

    I feel equating McHale and Scott to Clifford is giving way too much credit to McHale and Scott.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Absolutely not. Kobe wanted to block Lin from starting from the very beginning of the season. Way before Lin’s fans got pissed.

  • Chopz

    Anyhowz, keep messing with Lin’s minutes coach and ur messing with the karma train, choo choo, and most of ur games will be lose, lose.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Right after he knew he got injuried from training camp… smh! That’s why BS changed his tone on Lin from favor to bad D….

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i think all the lin talk from cliff was before the team started winning. once the expectations were raised, he went with his gut, and his gut is telling him lamb over lin. im 50/50 at this point on whether or not cliff is bright enough to realize lin can contribute. it took him a LONG time to realize hawes is a joke and was killing the 2nd unit. how long will it take to realize no lin, no win? this game and the 2nd chicago game stand out. 2 close games vs good teams and we barely lost. both times lamb closed over lin. both times i got the feeling lin wouldve pushed them over the edge. a drawn foul here, a clutch layup there, good d, etc….

    it’s hard to remain optimistic when everything is telling me cliff simply believes more in lamb than lin…

    barbosa is on a one yr contract, getting older. why not go home lin? if you’re going to get 15-20 min, and get 2m per yr, might as well be with gsw and contend every year… he’s foolish to think any team, any coach will give him true opportunity… sigh…

  • your son’s voltaire

    oh that worked really well in Houston

  • orLinaryjoe

    Haha, that’s what I’M doing. Go GSW!

  • NONONO

    2nd and 3rd string pgs helped Cavs won over Hornets starting lineups.

  • definitely not.

    But if we can help 1-2 fans to be strategic to channel our frustration so Hornets fans can see our point when they keep losing, it’s worth trying

    With 4-5 losses w/o Lin, they’ll be begging to have Lin to close out games to help the Hornets win

  • real-dsb

    “Lin is the 9th man on the roster. not even close to being a key reserve”

    Lin has the 6th most MPG on the team and has closed several games, that’s why I consider him a key reserve.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    This was such a winnable game. They had the Cavs right where they wanted them. But no. Had to sit Lin and lose the win.

  • your son’s voltaire

    nah, clifford has always favored lamb over lin. his interviews were very indicative of this

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    1) didn’t he see what Lin could do in OT?
    2) Hawes is back.

  • your son’s voltaire

    that was with lamb slowly coming back from injuries. it’s not like that anymore and it’s gonna get worst

  • NONONO

    Now you know why M. Williams did not want to stay in Hornets.

  • real-dsb

    I wouldn’t mind Lin being a key reserve/contributor on a championship team.

  • NONONO

    Re: GT: Cavs @ Hornets, 11/27 7:00
    Post#417 » by fatlever » 3 minutes ago
    In hindsight, I think just about all of us agree that Lin should have probably closed the game instead of Lamb. Lin is a better overall defender and better at drawing fouls which could have helped unclog the toilet at the end. Now that we agree, lets move on to other important parts of the game.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! I read he & Kemba are not get along well…. after his 51 pts game… Next season they will get another back up PG.

  • Teal

    Shaun Livingston is 30yo and is on next sesaon non guarantee contract. I say YES

  • Briiick

    Cliff has an outdated sense about offensive players. I think his offensive instinct is worse than McHale. McHale learned the beauty of Run N Gun from Lin’s first revenge game against Knicks and liked to play small ball ever since, sometimes overdid it.

  • JoeTeam

    well, other coaches pick the winning formulate from the get go … even Luke Walton has made good calls.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Lin never chose McHale or Scott. They never promised him anything. Cliff seems to be taking maximum advantage.

  • CJSHYY

    I was so happy to see JR made that shot… LOL! Never support him but today.

  • JoeTeam

    c’mon home, JLin baby! GSW just gotta pay Steph next year. Barnes, KT got theirs, Fez is still coming up. Iggy – dunno. There is room for Lin.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    as others said, lin was in the lineup that started the 25-0 run vs wiz, but was unceremoniously taken out. apparently being clutch in OT means nothing. and hawes only played cuz everyone was in foul trouble. but even then, the lack of any psycho t is puzzling. as will lin’s lack of minutes ALL YEAR. book it. just like tyler gets no respect, lin wont either.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! I have to show this… LOL!

    https://twitter.com/pingda111305/status/670460127619760128

    Lin performance was so good but at the key moment he was took out of the game. The Hornets flew overtake , deserve! Hornets really do not seek death will not die ! Lose good!

  • NONONO

    Lin’s OT Clutch does not help his relation neither.

  • Rzo Vlade

    translate pls

  • NONONO

    Ha ha, How to say “黄蜂队真是不作死就不会死” in English?

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lin wont play over shaun. he has legit size advantage over almost everyone. but old man barbosa? he surely is at the tail end of his career. who wouldnt want lin for the same price?

  • LinMad

    Lin performance is so good, the key moment was the end, the Hornets flew overtake, deserve! Hornets really do not seek death will not die! Lose good!

    Google Translate. I guess Chinese fans are getting angry now too.

  • I think Jeremy’s coaches (minus D’Antoni) fear Linsanity and losing control of their team.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! So happy to read this… LOL!

  • InfiniteWisdom

    min contract or close to it. endorsements will make up the rest. lin doesnt seem money hungry. just wants to win and contribute. no shame in playing 15 min behind steph. but getting 15 min on the hornets? that’s mad disrespect after what cliff supposedly told him to make him sign…

  • Rzo Vlade

    google translate sucks….thnks for the translate

  • LinMad

    but players play better when Linsanity mode is on. THey actually want to play when Lin is doing good and dishing easy buckets for everyone. The team chemistry was at an all time high when Lin was in control of the Knicks.

  • kittyhead

    You cant learn killer instincts. It’s funny people always underestimate Lin’s clutch performance.

  • CJSHYY

    But it’s good enough to know how mad she is….

  • LinMad

    There is not that much options the Hornets can do for damage control of angry Lin fans. There is only playing Lin more minutes and letting him close games when he’s doing well.

  • Carl Shula

    No matter what, Lin is an improve player. Hoping he gets his jump shot down. He can’t control a lot of what people are talking about but he sure can control on his play. I know that people are overly critical of his play at times – ie the coach but that is life. I just hope he can continue to improve and focuses on what he can change.

  • CJSHYY

    I think bc that OT’s performance so he got cut short playing time… Kemba sure is not happy about it. Bc he wants to be the one who win the game not Lin to take over & won…. smh!

  • Briiick

    If Hornets don’t kill themselves, they won’t die.

  • Smart BB fans know JLin should’ve closed.

    Next time Lamb closes game in losses again, there will be more outcries from Hornets fans

  • Rick Johnson

    Shaun tall enough & could slide over to the SG position. Let JLin play the PG.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Show this PR type talk on game or the video will not work now… Hornets is not even popular in Asia at all. When the rumor about Bulls wanted him… Some Asia media said it’s good finally can go to big market team & more chance to win the ring now.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    does standing in the corner, literally never touching the ball on consecutive possession count as minutes? quality, not quantity. once he plays with kemba, it seems as though he’s used as a last resort. that kings game. kemba went nuts in the 4th q. then in OT they doubled him, that’s the ONLY reason lin had a chance. if not, he would’ve just stood in the corner again as kemba tried to remain hot…

  • Briiick

    The worse thing than not having something is losing something, and they are going to lose all the new fans.

  • LinMad

    ya ever since he got that contract

  • LinMad

    and the mula

  • your son’s voltaire

    you gave mchale too much credit. it was in fact, les alexander the owner who pushed mchale to run a fast pace offense. mchale had no choice

  • CJSHYY

    That’s why I am even more mad at Cliff than Mc now bc Lin lose some of good chance to pick this lousy team to play his game & now…?! smh!

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Ha, I asked the same question…Kemba picked up 2 fouls sometimes in the second quarter, but Cliff kept him in.

    That right there shows you that Lin being taken out of last game for foul trouble reason, was simply a lame excuse to bring in Kemba.

  • LinMad

    ya I don’t particularly hate the Hornets franchise. I just hate how they are treating Lin. They are sitting on a gold mine that is slowly turning into an ant hill. Yes, they will get bitten when Lin fans are not happy and they will get even more hurt when Lin leaves Hornets.

  • your son’s voltaire

    forget about this year. it’s another LA year. Lin needs to get it right next season and go to a contender (GSW or Spurs) no matter what. if you’re gonna be marginalized and not allowed to close out games, might as well get a ring to show for it

  • InfiniteWisdom

    i firmly believe the lineups he’s played with have been bad for him. at the start of the season, before lamb got his contract, lin seemed to get a lot of minutes. too bad he had to play all of them with garbage hawes. now that hawes is finally replaced by frank, he gets the shaft and is replaced by lamb.

  • LinMad

    Prediction: If Lin fans continue to get angry cause Lin gets little minutes and Lin leaves Hornets in December or at the end of this season, I predict MJ will have to change the franchise name back to Bobcats just to try to save his team/franchise from the meltdown.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    I wished you guys would stop tweeting Hornets fan and the team with these criticism…That would make people hate lin even more..

  • LinMad

    ya or at least on a bigger market so his fan base can grow even larger

  • kittyhead

    I am not sure if this will happen. Team fans will justify everything in the end, something like it’s better to develop Lamb in crunch time and so forth even at the expenses of winning. We have seen this long long ago…

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Cliff is the same he needs to talk to MJ for coaching… So MJ’s game plan is not good compare to Alex…LOL!

  • your son’s voltaire

    if he show his frustration which i doubt he will, they he can be traded away or ride the pine for the rest of the season. either way, i think he should because as you say, the hornets will look like the bobcats if they don’t play Lin

  • Briiick

    Or gets a 10M+/year contract and dares the coach to marginalize him.

  • LinMad

    he was still playing with Hawes today but not as much as before

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yes that’d be the plan. play with shaun, not in place of him.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    out of necessity due to foul trouble. and hawes played well in his limited minutes because he was in a post position directing traffic, not at the top making decisions.

  • adele

    I don’t want to say anything about this team anymore. The actions can say for itself. Some people here are defending this team like a fortress. You will be considered as a negative virus here if you talk bad against the team and the coach by some people. I rest my case.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i think you’re right. clifford have been running a very slow offense but the FO probably pushed him to run a faster pace offense with a lot of 3’s and so they got guys like Lin, Lam, Batum, and Tank. i don’t think clifford knows how to coach the offensive side of the court at all. he’s pretty vocal on the defense but completely silent on the offense

  • kittyhead

    If he could only get so short time in the Hornets, I am ok with him to go back to the Worriors now…At least we could watch beautiful games and Lin gets a ring…

  • Uh-Oh

    “No Zuo No Die”! Haha.

  • cdblue10

    Just speak with your mind that’s your right as a fan

  • LinMad

    haha ur right they would be like bobcats if Lin wasn’t playing. Just a bunch of players who want to shoot first.

  • CJSHYY

    They play fast break bc Lin gave them the idea during training camp…. but you are right I don’t think Cliff really knows how to run O well. I also don’t think Cliff or even MJ like Lin’s long pass (or like Mc said dangerous pass…) bc I watched the highlights when Lin did that…. MJ never clapped his hand for the good play.

  • kittyhead

    I dont think so. At least we know the Hornets signed Lin as a backup with $2m. Actually it’s not surprising they treat him as the 9th man. But the Rockets offered Lin as the face of the franchise and they cheated him and abused him over and over. BS is jus bs, nothing to talk.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    lamb is just like clarkson. long, athletic, good shooter, can fill stat sheet but not necessarily lead to wins, terrible defense, home town fans put him on pedestal, coach believes in him over lin. the parallels are stunningly close. this doesnt look good for lin. go home lin. take barbosa’s spot on GSW. he bet on himself, but the house always win. no coach, no team will ever give him true opportunity. morey’s poison pill sunk that ship long ago…

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think Lin can leave after 12/15 bc I doubt they will trade him. Don’t look like it….

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    No!..Lin should not go to GSW…No playing time there..I’d rather see him in Philly…Him and Noel/Okafor could be decent pick n roll partners…Lin could pad stats and get big contract.

  • LinMad
  • CJSHYY

    I don’t agree w her opinion at all but I think she didn’t mean bad… just maybe tired Lin keeps changing the team…

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! That’s for sure. First the time I don’t RT it for them. smh!

  • heart

    Exactly! Their PR team will be in full mode to pick up the talking point from FO/Cliff to turn fans opinions into their favors. (Case in point Rox/Lakers). We’ve been subjected to this kind of media manipulation before. It’s sickening really…

  • LinMad

    he can pull an Omer Asik while Lin fans let Hornets know we are not happy with playing time and that we want him traded NOW

  • InfiniteWisdom

    you’ve got to be kidding me. 15 meaningful minutes and a chance of a ring every year vs 48 minutes of tanking?

  • LinMad

    i don’t think he’ll get 15 minutes on GSW but ur right about getting the ring.

  • LinMad

    I think the Lamb and Lin combo can work out. I just don’t want to see Lamb playing alone with Kemba/Batum cause he’s reduced to nothing.

  • your son’s voltaire

    he may or may not get more minutes in Philly as he would in GSW. we don’t know that. but we do know that playing for a lottery team doesn’t exactly equate to fair treatment

  • kittyhead

    You could add PB, Cannan, Troy, Price on the list too…

  • InfiniteWisdom

    barbosa is getting 15 min so far this year, it’s not a bad role tbh…

  • your son’s voltaire

    15 minutes playing the point guard position and backing up Step Curry the best player on the planet while going for the ring. that’s not bad at all. Lin, on the other hand took a HUGE pay cut just to stand in the corner waiting for the ball to never come for 15 minutes while playing for a middle of the road team

  • CJSHYY

    It’s business $$$ they will try to do some damage control to please fans that’s it.

  • cdblue10

    At this moment….I would choose Mcchale over Clifford….Even if he undervalued Lin he still play him the right minutes and in most cases the right time

  • KHuang

    Another good solid game by Lin.

    Clifford tried finishing without Lin, and that finished off the Hornets!

    Lin GOT HIS in the minutes he received. He did as much as possible in the minutes he got.

    I am satisfied.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    as far as im concerned it has worked out. the problem is cliff has chosen lamb over lin to close out. i dont mind lin coming in so late in the 1st and 3rd quarters. but i do mind not giving him the entire 2nd and 4th to compensate.

  • kittyhead

    Okafor knocked out a person who laughed at their losing record. I dont think any player would want to go there.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well, mchale wrote the book on how to marginalize Lin. but it took him 2 years to complete it. clifford, on the other hand, seem to skip all the way to end of the book and decides to bench Lin just 10 games into the season

  • Guest

    I’m equally satisfied with this game for the following reasons:
    1. Lin has good stats
    2. Hornets strategy to not play Lin for the win failed.
    3. Hornets are further exposed for their suppression of Lin. They are exposed.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! This girl really has strong word for Hornets. LOL!

  • KHuang

    4. Refs couldn’t use Lin to knock the Hornets out of the game like they usually do.

    Lin got in, did his damage, and got out without doing anything wrong. GOOD.

  • Guest

    You’re Da Man, KHuang.

  • cdblue10

    Lol,you’re exactly right

  • Briiick

    Yeah. KW and Batum also got exposed that they aren’t difference makers like Lin.

  • Guest

    True. Yet time and again they’re given the opportunity to shine and claim glory of game changer.

  • Briiick

    Yeah he got burned and will be torched.

  • cdblue10

    On the other Khuang you pacify my outraging desire to hate the Hornets totally on this comment

  • Briiick

    That’s why there is no reason for me to watch NBA but Lin.

  • KHuang

    It’s LIN’S TEAM.

    No matter what anybody says or thinks, the Hornets don’t win without Jeremy Lin contributing.

    Take him off this Hornets team, replace him with a more expensive backup point guard. The team would tumble to like sub 0.500.

  • sws94

    With Lin, yes. But this time, not happy with Cliff not playing him all of the 4th. He needed to play the entire 4th.

    On to Sunday.

  • LinMad

    Lin had 4 rebounds and the coach in post game interview even said the difference was the rebounds. Lin had 9 rebounds one game, why didn’t Cliff just leave Lin in? He was getting rebounds, assists and making shots. I’m not happy with his decisions in the 4th.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    $ and minutes = respect in the nba. lin getting so few of each shows you everything you need to know about his current situation. we all thought he was trading one for the other, but it turns out he got duped… im very pessimistic because the tide has clearly turned in lamb’s favor. the contract, the fans, the commentators, the plays being called, etc. it’s all about lamb now. i honestly dont see this changing much. it is what it is…. hopefully a playoff berth and reluctant opportunity just like OT in that kings game

  • cdblue10

    Wow I also posted this before that if Jlin will be out on this team they will revert being the old Hornets

  • KHuang

    I’m serenely fine.

    Like I keep writing, why should the $2 million hated Asian “scrub” have to do the dirty work for more expensive failing players who are freezing him out?

    While we all would like to see Lin rewarded for good play with more minutes and a better contract, we all know that the NBA does not work like that for Lin. NOTHING Lin does is considered NBA worthy by front offices. So hoping for more minutes or more money is a lost cause.

    As long as Lin maximizes his minutes by playing great team basketball, I’m absolutely fine with his production.

  • LinMad

    me too im not happy

  • sws94

    I don’t think so. Let’s see what happens after more games. This game shows Lamb isn’t a good choice to finish. And it’s 2 games in a row, the previous ones Lin finished. For whatever reason, and it was a bad one, he didn’t finish with Lin. But, Lamb didn’t work out.

  • 22cents

    Did not have time to see the game. So, Lin did not play the final 8 min. What did the team play like? The old Hornets?

  • LinMad

    ya they usually do by playing Lin more minutes the next game. But it shouldn’t even be like this. He should get a consistent 25 minutes per game just like other players get 30+ minutes consistently.

  • heart

    You’re right. To be more specific it’s Morey & McHale (M&M), now it’s Cho & Cliff (C&C). I don’t think a coach would do anything w/o FO/Mgmt approval or knowledge IMO.

  • cdblue10

    Definitely….like 17% FG on the last 8mins.

  • Briiick

    True. Cliff has below average instinct in offense. His extension will ensure Hornets another 3 years of boring marginal performance.

  • your son’s voltaire

    lol, M&M and now C&C

  • KHuang

    NOT duped.

    Lin knew exactly what he was getting himself into.

    Besides, no other team wanted him. This is the ONLY opportunity Lin had, and he made good on it.

    I see no signs of deception. If anything, I still see tremendous respect from the Hornets coaching staff.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    The fortress defenders have fallen silent 😉

  • KHuang

    Lin’s still a high touch player in Clifford’s system, unlike McHale’s and Scott’s calculated freezouts.

    Also, Lin HAS HELP defensively. That’s helped Lin shut down just about everyone he’s faced.

  • kittyhead

    NO, we know there is another team at least…the championship Warriors want him…: ) I’m upset that Clifford couldnt keep his promise to let Lin close games. But what can a 9th player ask for? That’s it.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    yeah one thing i do appreciate is that the charlotte fans and media dont make him a scapegoat. he played pretty well, played with a lead, coach doesnt believe in him, takes him out, team loses. cant scapegoat that no matter how hard you try.

  • occupatio

    the cavs announcers, unlike the past, were respectful of lin and even gave him credit on plays.
    one even said lin was a good 3P shooter even tho lin’s 3P% is only 28% this season hehe

  • your son’s voltaire

    we argued about this many times before KHuang and you still can’t admit you’re wrong even when Lin himself said that the GSW among other teams were interested in him

  • cdblue10

    Not exactly Lin can’t score a consecutive more than 30pt’s if Mchale didn’t let him play when Harden was out or not playing well

  • InfiniteWisdom

    high touch, as in touch the ball to run a play for lamb right?

  • your son’s voltaire

    the color commentator was really anti-Lin in previous games. but early in this game, the other guy pretty much set the tone when he said that Lin has worked really hard going left and is very good at it as he commented on a play where Lin had just gone left

  • occupatio

    yes, you are right: the cavs color commentator used to trash lin in the past.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    You are CLUELESS about contract law.

    No contract offered means NO INTEREST.

    You are wrong because you obviously have never signed a contract in your life.

  • cdblue10

    He just hate him coz he schooled Irving during the height of Linsanity but it seems they’re changing tone now,Lin to Cavs……

  • KHuang

    Warriors DID NOT WANT LIN.

    They wouldn’t put their money where there mouth is.

    Anybody can say “I want to hire so and so”, but it doesn’t mean squat unless MONEY is offered.

  • Rzo Vlade

    stfu your stupid reasoning

  • InfiniteWisdom

    what about that 2nd chicago game? what about cliff literally saying he wanted to put lamb in but lin was playing so good. he said this more than once… the writing is on the wall…

  • occupatio

    haha, that makes sense. well, irving didnt play, so there’s that…

  • Rzo Vlade

    stfu this guy think he knows better than anybody the way he reason….entitled B!@#

  • LinMad

    uploaded 50 secs ago

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED.

    You do not curse at me on this heavily moderated forum, Rzo Vlade.

    Go fire your dumb
    personal attacks somewhere else lest you be BANNED.

  • cdblue10

    Imagine him passing lob passes to Lebron…that’s gonna be sick.

  • your son’s voltaire

    no, KHuang. you’re missing a link in your logic here. because only 1 team can sign a contract with a player. lol. if you apply your argument to LeBron then you’re basically saying no team are interested in him and so he signed with the Cavs

  • LinMad

    what’s a color commentator?

  • CJSHYY

    Lin said so himself. Plus Klay’s Dad also said so too.

  • kittyhead

    How could you confirm Warriors didnt offer Lin a contract and Lin refused to sign it after July 1st? LOL But I’m not really interested in arguing over this anyway.

  • Rzo Vlade

    LOL he is entitle b!@#$ the way he reason to anybody here

  • KHuang

    Lin might be around Charlotte one more season after this one, maybe not.

  • occupatio

    i still think cliff is a smart coach overall. that doesnt mean he doesnt makes dumb decisions, like going with lamb to close and overrelying on kemba and al, but hes smart enuf to learn from his mistakes in the long term.

  • your son’s voltaire

    that would be sick. Lebron is the ONLY superstar in the league right now that i’m comfortable with Lin sharing the court with. he’s a very smart player, and a 2-way player at that

  • cdblue10

    All contracts starts with negotiation first before both parties will sign on dotted lines.You can’t just bring contract right away and both parties will agreed immediately.

  • InfiniteWisdom

    obviously nothing official was offered, but the gist of what lin said was that there was an opening. barbosa was a free agent. for the same price how many gm’s would choose the old barbosa over a prime lin, an international star? that spot was his if he wanted it seems. he decided to bet on himself instead…

  • KHuang

    Because NBA.com and hoopshype.com report ALL formal contract offers.

    Those two sites will report REAL rumors coming from actual NBA scouts. For example, Lin to Mavs was discussed because the Mavs were actively considering giving Lin the $2.8 million exception intil the Mavs RETRACTED their interest in Lin.

    For hard contract news, NBA.com and hoopshype (the NBA site of USA TODAY) are the only two sites that will report REAL rumors. And other than Lin and Dallas, no other rumors of teams preparing formal contrats for Lin were reported all summer long.

  • 22cents

    Wow! That is bad.

  • occupatio

    two announcers, one does play by play, the other does color.
    play by play is basically reporting whats happening in the game, as if someone could just follow the game by radio.
    color commentator adds ‘color’ by making interesting comments; putting players or teams in a larger context , and just generally providing entertainment instead of just reporting what is happening.

  • Yascar

    Lebron would handle the ball. Even Kyrie had issues about it.

    Besides, in this same thread, people were calling him a megamaniac earlier on.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    No KHuang you are clueless. It doesn’t work that way. No player, including Deandre Jordan EVER sees more than one written contract. First the parties come to a verbal agreement. And only then a contract is printed and signed. I already told you, it doesn’t matter how many times you repeat the same BS, it’s still just BS.

  • KHuang

    I would not be entirely comfortable with Lebron Lin.

    I feel that Lebron’s lack of fundamentals would cause him to get angry at Lin all the time when Lin’s making routine fundamental team plays.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED.

    You trolls cannot post on this forum without firing personal attacks and using foul language.

    YOU SHOULD BE BANNED.

  • KHuang

    Clifford is trying to see if $7 million Jeremy Lamb can be the long term answer at SG for the Hornets.

    The only way to find out if Lamb can be that player is to play Lamb in crunchtime like Lamb did today.

  • KHuang

    TYPICAL without Lin.

    Hornets starters ALWAYS collapse in the 2nd half until Lin comes in to save them.

  • Spot

    What’s the excuse for today?
    Can we start calling Clifford to what it is at least?
    Hopefully honeymoon is over. Time for Jeremy’s agent to start working.

  • JoeTeam

    yes, I think his bball career will be joyful on a team that shares, like GSW. I never hear any gripes about people sitting the bench there – they are shooting for something higher than themselves on that team.

    yep, he has to walk from Cliff, these spotty playing rotations are not fun for a guy like him because he will keep working the game until they figure it out. When they cut him off, he’s only just starting to figure out how to win on any given night. That’s gotta be frustrating, personal stats aside.

  • kittyhead

    But it’s Lin who said this…I would rather believe Lin rather than the rumors on the sites. And one of his trainers said Lin should join the contending team and get a ring because he’s old and no team would build around him in the basketball camp in TW. I believe he refered to the Warriors.

  • JoeTeam

    me too, I learned my lesson reading CF. Didn’t go to LAL sites, don’t need to go to Hornets. That’s because Hornets are not yet focused on winning. If they were, tonight was simple. They are just experimenting with how they want to win. You can’t do that if you want to win – you just do what is clearly proven and win. These are the pros, after all.

  • Yascar

    Sorry you don’t have to like Cliff but you are forgetting that it was McHale that made Lin a bench player. He constantly blamed him, didn’t develop him, threw him under the bus and justified it all with Beverley who will never ever be better than Lin on any measure.

    McHale started this nightmare for all of us. Had he shown a little more respect for Jeremy’s work ethic and talent, Jeremy might still be a starter now.

    Don’t revise history because you hate Jeremy’s current coach and team.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    We are all out of excuses. Cliff has failed every test. Oh wait a minute. Some are saying we need to wait until game 20. Then we can think of some other stalling technique.

  • Guest

    Khuang is right, there was only talk, but no paper was presented.

  • CJSHYY

    I know that’s why I think Cliff is even worst than Mc.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i thought it was wait til 10 games into the season? lol. really, i made up my mind after hearing just a few of clifford’s interviews during training camp. he’s just not very into Lin at all

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin said there were a lot of teams INTERESTED in him including the GSW. so KHuang is wrong when he said no teams were interested in him

  • occupatio

  • cdblue10

    I’m sorry to burst your bubble,if I’m to choose the situation now and way back then I will still choose his situation in Rockets rather that in Hornets,I don’t favor both of them but that’s my stand.And what history did I revised?

  • KHuang

    Teams can tell Lin that they are “interested”.

    That doesn’t mean that they’ll actually put money on the table to hire him.

    The Knicks told Lin that they were “interested” in 2012, yet the Knicks refused to put their money where their mouth was.

    In NBA contract law, there’s NO DEAL unless a formal contract with actual dollars is offered – and that offer is REPORTED.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Are you serious? They report all rumors lol. The negotiations are private. They occur one at a time according to a players interest. Lin chose Mavs and they negotiated. Then it fell through and Lin chose Hornets. They negotiated verbally, agreed, then signed a written contract. Lin and his dad said there were 8 or 9 interested teams. But Lin did not pursue them because the Mavs were his first choice and then it was the hornets. Any other BS you spew is just BS.

  • blubell

    You’re breaking multiple rules here. Respectfully disagree or move on. This is your last warning.

  • KHuang

    Warriors being “interested” in Lin doesn’t mean that they were “interested enough” to OFFER LIN A FORMAL CONTRACT.

    Had the Warriors offered Lin a formal contract, it would have been reported in NBA.com or hoopshype.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED AGAIN.

    You curse at me. You do not respect this forum’s rules or me. YOU SHOULD BE BANNED.

  • LinJa

    I’m getting tired and turned off by NBA once again. Back then it was the flopping and bad ref calls. Now it’s the same bad ref calls that effects games plus NBA superstar politicizing to create stars by overrating them like cp, griffin, harden and DJ. The NBA has become desperate in stars that they started manufacturing them. Jordan era and before were legit stars. On top of all this JLin suffers the most in these drama.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Do you know how to read? If not be quiet!

  • kittyhead

    I’m totally with you.

  • blubell

    Please observe the forum rules and refrain from personal attack.

  • JoeTeam
  • guest

    Who is this Guest that steal my handle? hahaha, guess it’s time to log in and comment.

  • your son’s voltaire

    well then, there’s only one thing for Lin to do and that’s score a lot. cus if that’s the definition of a star player, then be the player they want. forget about trying to please the coaches who tells him to play defense when they finish the games with a non defensive player over him anyway

  • LinJa

    Oh and the hornets are manufacturing lam and batum to be stars. And also maintaining Kemba fabricated star status. They are all pawn

  • heart

    I think you meant ‘they’ instead of ‘we’.

  • CJSHYY

    They talked to Lin but Lin turned it down so no formal offer made.

  • LinJa

    Doesn’t matter if Lin is not part of the star manufacturing plans, they won’t let him. Just yank him when he’s hot.

  • Lx

    I wish he made that shot… xD would have been so awesome.

  • your son’s voltaire

    sure, but how long can they keep yanking him while he’s hot? it’s a lot more difficult to yank someone who goes 10 for 15 shooting, then someone who defends well. all the league and fans ever see are points anyway. plus, the more he scores, the better it looks when he signs a new contract

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    I was trying to believe the excuses.

  • Teal

    KHuang, Lin can only sign one contract to play for one team under the contract law.
    If Lin doesn’t show any interest to sign with a team, the team wouldn’t deliver or draft any contract. A contract can only be signed if both parties are engaged in the negotiation.
    Teams showing interests and reach out to Lin but Lin declined. So it’s only fair to say teams don’t courier a contract to Lin for signing if Lin isn’t interested in the 1st place.

  • LinJa

    I wish this is the case. But jlin is a team player and will not disobey the chain of command.. Hence why I said that jlin is just a victim of a bad organization. I’m sure we have been in a poor environment where even though you did the right thing you’re
    Still sinking.

  • KHuang

    Lin scoring doesn’t have any impact on his future contract.

    If it did, he’d be earning a salary that was equal to nonAsian players of equal or inferior statistical output.

  • Briiick

    I thought Cliff was not much different from McHale after watching the first two games of the season.

  • LinJa

    That was the same shake and bake he did last night and he was 2 feet closer and he made it. His shot was exactly the same tonight just 2 feet further. It’s why it didn’t go in.

  • Yascar

    You didn’t burst any of my bubbles but thanks. My stand is to wait and see. I don’t like what is happening either but Jeremy chose this team. He has to live with it until something better comes along, if it ever does.

    For all his minutes with McHale, he was never put in a position to succeed either. And in the times he played out of his mind, he got nothing. Back to the bench. At least with Cliff the fluctuations are smaller because we never expected him to play Lin like a superstar.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    That’s not what NBA.com and hoopshype have reported.

    Teams prepare offer sheets when they want a free agent. Free agents often have more than one offer shoot to choose from.

    For example, two seasons ago Lance Stephenson of the Pacers had TWO offer sheets: a 4 year $44 million formal offer from his Pacers and a 2 year $18 million formal offer from the Hornets. Stephenson TURNED DOWN the Pacers’ formal offer sheet and signed with the Hornets.

    Had Lin been given a formal offer sheet, that would have been reported in NBA.com and hoopshype.com just like the microscopic scrutiny of the Lance Stephenson signing was.

  • Guest

    KHuang, have you ever been head-hunted by recruitment company or giant companies?
    The HR Dept/ Head Hunter call you up to indicate their interests to hire you. You nicely say no as you wanted to join any firm. The process stops here. The professional recruiters know how to take a NO as the answer.
    You continue negotiation with your ‘dream firm’ and then happily sign the employment contract after you and your dream firm reached a deal.
    End of story, Let’s move on.

  • it’s also possible because most fans will follow the narrative given by the media and franchise.

    Let’s see. One thing for sure is Hornets won’t go far if they don’t play Lin down the stretch.

    Kemba and Batum can’t direct the offense to close out games as well as JLin.
    They’re great scorers but they can’t create offense for others like JLin does

    It will be Hornets loss if they don’t trust JLin

  • Teal

    Lin spared us the details of the entire offseason’s recruitment process. Lin doesn’t want to offend any team but turning down offer sheets.
    And to begin with, the offer sheets need a prelim negotiation too. Lin simply didnt go that route.

  • Whitman Lam

    Yeah, the announcer said his foot was on the line, so it would’ve been 2 points anyway.

  • CJSHYY

    Exactly.

  • Yascar

    And i guess we tolerate we and them talk then? This place is no longer a positive site and you mods are letting it happen.

    Thanks for all your good work but if you think this is going to unite Lin fans, it’s actually alienating “us” as we are so tactfully called.

    Don’t worry I’ll show myself out.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Lin got ONLY ONE formal offer sheet, just like he said in his introductory media interview.

    Lin is not like Goran Dragic choosing between multiple formal reported contract offers before settling with the Miami Heat.

  • KHuang

    Thank you for running a clean forum, Administration!

  • LinJa

    Something to consider. Hornets might want to keep Lin under the radar this year so that next year Lin will get no great offers and Lin decides to stay with hornets with full roster includes MKG. Just conspiracy talk obviously, I have no evidence.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    I am not missing any logic.

    Lebron had offer sheets from both the Heat and the Cavs, and he chose the Cavs.

    Those were FORMALLY REPORTED in NBA.command hoppshype, so your assertion that Lebron got only one formal contract offer was refuted months ago.

  • your son’s voltaire

    he’s human after all and when you push someone for so long, they’re gonna start to stand up for themselves sometime. i think after being mistreated for 3 consecutive previous years plus this season, he’s gonna put his foot down or change his approach to the game. for instance, in the overtime win against the Kings, Lin took over because he wanted to win so badly not because he isn’t a team player. if the hornets keep losing with Lin on the bench, he’s gonna have to start taking over the game even if the plays aren’t designed for him

  • occupatio

    it never ceases to amaze me that ppl can spin and believe elaborate, convoluted theories like this.

  • KHuang

    Even if this warning doesn’t apply to me, I’ll adhere to it anyway because it’s GOOD POLICY.

  • CaliUSMC

    lol

  • your son’s voltaire

    that was what the Lakers were hoping but Lin left anyway. they tried to get him on the cheap

  • LinJa

    Because the situation doesn’t progress naturally. Lin’s utilization is illogical. Just trying to get a clue. That’s all. Oh one more thing, I don’t believe what I said to be true just a conjecture.

  • Teal

    That’s because Lebron’s agent was playing the “Best Offer Wins” game with the Heat and Cavs. Lin didn’t request his agent to do that.

  • blubell

    I’m not taking anyone’s side if that is what you’re trying to say? We all have opinions and are entitled to it. We only ask that everyone respect one another. Respectfully agree to disagree or move on.

  • LinJa

    I hope so too.

  • KHuang

    Even better, I work in professional entertainment with FORMAL CONTRACTS like Lin does.

    Headhunters go after me all the time. Many of them talk big about “being interested” in my services. Only a select few PUT IT IN WRITING WITH ACTUAL DOLLAR AMOUNTS.

    In entertainment formal contract law, there is always the “Show me the money” point. Lin only got there with one team, but multiple other players got multiple formal offers.

  • LinJa

    Lakers just flat out took him for the pick. Nothing more

  • KHuang

    Correct.

    I can call up Lin and “offer him a contract”, but that’s not going to get reported in hoophype or NBA.com because it would not be a NBA contract with actual NBA dollars.

    The Warriors, just like the Knicks, did not value Lin enough to OFFER Lin a money contract that Lin found acceptable.

  • CaliUSMC

    I kinda agree, but I just choose to keep my mouth shut. No point in getting worked up on the internet over strangers. Its whatever, but this site is way more positive than that other site. Where you gonna go?

  • your son’s voltaire

    no, they marginalized him in the hopes that he’d sign back with them on the cheap. it was reported that the Lakers among other teams were interested in him during the off season

  • KHuang

    No need for that.

    NBA teams won’t take Lin because of his race.

    It’s not his production, as tons of nonAsian players producing less than Lin earn more than Lin does.

  • KHuang

    Correct.

    TWO picks.

    Plus, Lin was deemed an adequate backup rental for a team that needed his skills.

  • DX

    That’s stupid if Hornets do this. Just remember why Lin chose here than other teams even like Warriors.

  • your son’s voltaire

    how many formal offer sheets did Dragic get?

  • KHuang

    NO

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED AGAIN.

    Like I said, you trolls cannot post without firing personal insults.

    YOU SHOULD BE BANNED.

  • Teal

    KHuang, Let’s have a bet here.

    If Jeremy signs a decent contract next year, are you going to eat crow?

  • KHuang

    The troll Jeremiah the Grey is STILL FLAMING this forum.

  • occupatio

    i think the theory is convoluted because it assumes they value lin so much that they have an elaborate plan to keep him by suppressing him. and if keeping lin is their ultimate goal, suppressing him really isnt a good way of achieving that goal. and if they actually value lin enough to keep him, why not use him now?

    cliff cares about winning. the problem is that he, at this point, doesnt think lin is an important factor relative to other players currently on roster such as lamb.

    anyway, i think its important, or certainly the most sane, to follow occam’s razor. if several explanations work, the explanation that makes the the fewest assumptions is the best one. there are just too many assumptions built into that theory.

  • LinJa

    Hornets did not plan on having MKG injured. originally they intended to use Lin as stated, until MKG went out. So maybe they are trying to keep Lin under the radar for next season with hornets full roster.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED AGAIN.

    I know your agenda. You’re trying to WRECK this forum with your hate and lies.

  • Teal

    KHuang, you like to insinuate that Lin and papa lying and you’re right? come on

  • LinJa

    Ok, so what is your opinion in this crazy Lin usage? I excused cliff last night. But tonight, I just didn’t make basketball sense.

  • guest

    Hey PFV, I’m going to stop listening to you.
    Bye bye, the NBA expert.

  • your son’s voltaire

    so does that mean that NO OTHER TEAM were INTERESTED in LeBron besides the Heat and Cavs??

  • KHuang

    What are you talking about?

    It has been formally reported that Lin and his agent called all over the NBA looking for contract offers.

    Only Charlotte stepped up with real money.

  • sport

    Then why not keep Batum under the radar too since they’re trying to resign him! The answer is simple Hornets and many NBA teams don’t believe in the Asian guy will be a star nor want him to shine!

  • LinJa

    They want batum to be face of hornets star power. Not Lin

  • Teal

    Lin’s agent called the Knicks. Only one team. Where’s the report/link saying Lin’s agent called all over the NBA looking for contract offers? I’m interested in reading those reports.

  • KHuang

    How about you KOWTOW to me if Lin can only opt into his player option because nobody wants him?

    You issue a challenge, you better be able to take the heat.

    Besides, I would prefer that Lin gets TONS of formal contract offers. But I have followed the NBA too long to expect that to realistically happen.

  • your son’s voltaire

    KHuang, can you share the link from nba.com or hoopshype that shows a player’s offer sheet from teams? just curious. i can’t seem to find it

  • Teal

    Sure.
    I want you to show your face, the whole body profile and real name here if I win the bet.
    I will do a video to KOWTOW to you.
    Deal?
    🙂

  • CJSHYY

    Even Lin didn’t make the shot but lots of articles on this play… USA Today, SB nation…

    Jeremy Lin Breaks LeBron James Ankles with Crossover

  • sport

    Exactly they don’t see Lin as a star so no need to keep him under the radar. If you want to keep someone you would play them minutes and treat them well so they want to stay not the opposite of that! Lin will definitely opt-out after this season. His goal is to be a starter not a backup.

  • DX

    Right now Lin is already 8-9 man and only play less than 20 minutes. Can’t image what will happen when MKG come back. Someone said Cliff let PJ hold the starter position for MKG. It makes more and more sense.

  • KHuang

    Nope.

    You do not order me around.

    You THINK you own me. You do not.

  • Teal

    hahaha, ok, fine. no deal then. 🙂

  • CJSHYY
  • Teal

    btw, I don’t think I own you and I’m not interested in owning you.
    Just nice to read your posts here. 🙂

  • occupatio

    cliff is still figuring it out. he chose lamb to close, instead of lin, and it turned out that it didnt work.
    cliff likes lamb’s ability to space the floor (while lin has shot poorly from 3 this season, very poorly) and maybe he likes lamb’s length.
    there’s been considerable flux in the closing rotations, and just rotations in general lately. some of it is experimentation, some is just making a choice and its not always the right choice.
    he also chose al to close, unlike last time. and i think it was a mistake as well.

    theres so many things going on in the game, so many players on this team and the opposing team, so many factors. we as lin fans scrutinize cliff’s management of lin but he’s juggling a lot of things. he makes mistakes like everyone else, overlooks things. overall, I still think hes doing a good job. even when i disagree with his choices, they at least make sense in a coherent way. unlike mchale or byron.

  • LinJa

    What if after this season Lin doesn’t have any deals with other teams of hornets ruined ljn’s rep?

  • sport

    Lin scoring was an average of 10 PPG last season! Not exactly starting PG stats and it’s all due to his stubbornness of not being more selfish and shooting more! Star PG averages 25+ PPG for the season while Curry averages 30+ PPG! Lin needs to realize he’s got nothing to lose and will be stuck as bench player forever if he doesn’t change his mind set! He needs to take at least 13-15 shots every game.

  • KHuang

    Just look at these situations:

    1. DeAndre Jordan
    2. Lebron James
    3. Greg Monroe

    All three of these unrestricted free agents,
    among others, were famously offered varying actual dollar amounts by multiple teams interested in them this offseason.

    Had they wanted to, each one of these free agents could have signed the offer sheets of teams that were reportedly pursuing them.

    Why are you so angry at me for stating the obvious fact that teams REFUSE to pay Lin? Do you think I’m happy that Lin’s Asian race is preventing NBA teams from wanting him? I wanted Lin to earn $10+ million as befits a double digit career scorer of his statistical stature!

  • Teal

    In any case, I will make a vid to document this bet. I will have some form of KOWTOWING to KHuang if Lin doesn’t sign a decent contract next year.

  • LinJa

    I agree, but how long will cliff need to experiment? I thought it has been obvious what the best rotations were? And stabilizing rotations improves a team because it provides consistency. I like the experiment theory but it will get old soon.

  • CaliUSMC

    He doesn’t seem angry to me. He’s just asking where the offer sheet is. lol

  • sport

    Lin’s rep was already ruined by the Rockets long time ago!

  • your son’s voltaire

    sorry, KHuang, but i don’t see multiple offer sheets for those players. so “multiple teams” aren’t interested in them as you say. in fact, as you say, NO OTHER TEAM WERE INTERESTED IN THEM

  • LinJa

    I doubt lakers wanted Lin, especially Kobe.

  • KHuang

    Sure.

    But KNOW THIS:

    I’m rooting for YOU, not me.

    I want Lin to have multiple offer sheets to sign. I want Lin to have long term contractual stability. I want Lin to find a solid NBA home where he is actually wanted.

    It actually enrages me that Lin is treated so shabbily.

    Any nonAsian player would have been INSULTED by Rich Cho’s offer and REJECTED the Hornets deal. But I understand and support Lin’s decision to choose the Hornets when no one else would have him.

  • your son’s voltaire

    KHuang, i do agree that Lin’s race is a big part in how he is being poorly treated but it’s absurd to think that no other teams were interested in him this past off-season

  • sport

    Lakers only wanted the 2 drafts picks on Lin especially not with Kobe and BS there.

  • LinJa

    Well Lin is trying to rebuild with hornets. If he can’t rebuild his rep, then he will remain cheap and stuck with hornets.

  • KHuang

    That’s not how the NBA works.

    Turning down offer sheets happens all the time in the NBA, and it GETS REPORTED regardless of the player’s wishes.

  • occupatio

    there is no end to experimentation to some degree because the opponent changes, and things that happen in the game change.

    for example, cliff put in hawes and it turned out that hawes was giving away too many rebounds to the cavs, among other things. so he quickly pulled hawes out of the game. a good coach adapts to what is happening in the game instead of being rigid. (there ARE certain things cliff is rigid about but he is not stupid stubborn overall.) often, there is no perfectly correct choice, so you just have to pick one and accept the consequences.

  • kittyhead

    YAH, I dont think Dragic got multiple real contracts to sign after the market was open either. There were only rumors too…

  • KHuang

    Lin and Papa may not fully understand NBA contract law.

    Besides Lin himself said that he had “only one offer” in his introductory press conference.

    If anything, YOU are the one calling Lin a “liar”.

  • sport

    Lin needs to take over not when the game is on the line but the moment he steps on the court! He needs to show he’s a starter and can lead the team. Just taking over at end of game won’t give him 20+ points per game!

  • Spot

    Me too. Now I can tell he’s worse.

  • your son’s voltaire

    Lin was traded to LA before BS was given the coaching job. they had no idea that BS would be so bad for the team. this year obviously exposed BS

  • KHuang

    Multiple teams were interested in signing him to max contract deals, according to NBA.com and hoopshype.

    But Miami won out because they could have him for the 5th year.

    It’s completely unlike LA which offered a 5 year full max offer sheet to Dwight Howard but Howard turned it down to sign with Lin’s Rockets for only 4 years.

  • Dorothy

    OR maybe Hornets wants to force Lin to take the player’s option by making no team wants him. It is totally possible.

  • KHuang

    Oh Lin TRIED to negotiate.

    But no team would pay him what he found acceptable.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i agree. i was just giving an example of when he took over. actually, in the game before the Kings game, Lin was very aggressive and players (even Batum) deferred to him even though he missed a lot of shots

  • Acbc

    What amazes me is how people want to accept “reality”. What has reality come to? The concept of existentialism comes from what we believe is our reality, that what we see and feel is the only thing we should trust as truth. The real physical world and our existence can point to only one truth, that our existence is a fluke of the universe. Thee is no life at all, there is only existence. Our life is a collection of memories and that memory affirms our existence, noting more nothing less. THAT IS EXISTENTIALISM AND THAT IS OUR EXISTENCE.

    It never ceases to amaze me that humans would rather hang on to what they know as existence and accept that their life has no meaning beyond what they can only sense with their physical senses.

    I feel pity for those who choose to exist like that, to do die like that and anot ever feel the magic of living. Life is felt in our hearts and soul. The things we all value can’t be explain by science. Love and hope is what really drives us to live and not just exist. We love and hope and live out our lives beyond the borders of time by feeling for the generations that have given us life and the generations of hope to come. Anyone that says they don’t want these things are deceiving themselves into merely existing.

    Lin’s situation is a lot like many Asians who’ve struggled to get ahead and make a decent existence. That existence though doesn’t necessarily create a life. The manner of that existence with all the trappings of success or vanities cannot replace the life lived with love and hope. That to me is Lin’s reality.

    Lin’s existence sucks, but he’s life is full of love and hope. This the biggest lesson we can learn from such an incredible and special human being.

    I choose to be hopeful and I choose to love. The same way Lin chooses to be hopeful and love those who transgress against him.

  • LinJa

    Experiments must stop at one point, there’s limited amount of team sets. Analytics proofs it too. It’s not so difficult. Hence my skepticism of experimentation for too long.

  • KHuang

    What you’re writing has been DEBUNKED by NBA.com and hoopshype MONTHS AGO.

    Lin was officially talking to Dallas. That was no made up story, that was REAL. Dallas was thinking about offering the $2.8 million exception to Lin, but ultimately Dallas rescinded its offer. And Dallas abandoning Lin was reported too.

    Hoopshype reported “multiple” teams THINKING about adding Lin to their teams. But ultimately, not a single team of the teams mentioned offered Lin a sheet to sign. Only Charlotte stepped up.

  • sport

    Nah Lakers and FO knew exactly what BS was capable of and got him to babysit Kobe.

  • kittyhead

    Didnt someone on the LG said the Lakers offered Lin $6m as a backup? Not sure if this was true but It’s not surprising they wanted to sign him back for marketing purpose though.

  • KHuang

    Voltaire has been angry at me for a long time for this on two different forums.

    You don’t know the history. so you might want to consider watching before judging wrongly.

  • LinJa

    Yes, this exactly what I’m saying. Though I’m not convinced of it myself lol. It’s possible but it’s unlikely. He experiment theory makes more sense. But when the experiment goes too long then I would fall back on my theory. Then again it could be that Lin is not playing well enough by the end the year

  • occupatio

    many of us have watched lin play for over 200 games. (i certainly have.) cliff hasnt seen nearly as much. and hes seen lin shoot the worst of his career.
    i dont expect him to trust lin until hes seen more, more of the best that lin can play. it’ll take some time for it to play out.

  • CaliUSMC

    lol k

  • KHuang

    Good.

    Learn your place.

  • I agree 100% with @occupatio:disqus assessment

    Clifford has always liked the big line-up and although he rode Lin to victory a few times; he hasn’t rolled his dice with Lamb as a 3-yr investment as much. The best way to test players is with baptism by fire.

    Lamb simply failed tonight because he only had 2pts (1-3 shooting) and 3 rebs tonight.
    He will get another chance to see if he can rise to the occasion to be clutch.

    Lamb’s problem is he’s not as streaky shooter as JR Smith or Ray Allen; he might improve but he can’t drive to the rim and draw fouls to get FTs crucial at the end of game.

    But again, this is NBA biz. FO & coaches want to try to ride Lamb. Clifford also likes Lamb’s hot shooting which was helped by JLin’s playmaking.

    Clifford probably didn’t like Lin’s TO in Q4 and decided to roll with Lamb.
    Hornets lost shooting a horrible 3-17 with poor defense in CLE 16-8 run after JLin sat.

    Expect Clifford to ride Lamb a few more times to see how clutch is this Hornet’s 3 yr investment.

    If Hornets and Clifford don’t trust Lin more as the season progresses, JLin will certainly leave the Hornets next season. So let’s see if Clifford is smart enough to utilize JLin other than with his great defense

  • LinJa

    Fair enough, we’ll wait and watch and see.

  • CaliUSMC

    ?

    Moderator? What is this?

  • occupatio

    the super hardcore fans have seen lin play close to 300 games, now that i think about it.
    im prolly around 250

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is one of a few times in my life that I hate to be right but I’m afraid it is so. Like some of you here, I’ve seen and suspected the same full mistreatment is about to happen again. No question that Lin will close games again here and there but it won’t change anything. The last two games were the true agendas of this franchise. The worst part was they lied to him during the 5 hours talk recruitment.

    It’s a total waste of time to even discuss whether or not he got more than one offers or what is the meaning of a contract on this board because we should only take Lin’s words for it, not anyone else. When he said in the interview with the NY Post that he had 5 top teams to decide until the Hornets’ show-up, meaning he had 5. No further discussion is necessary.

    Lin sacrificed his salary to be with a team whose coach almost guaranteed he can revive his Linsanity career but so far it’s insanity to even think that could happen by just sitting on the bench.

  • KHuang

    You choose not to see those multiple offer sheets becuase you are DELIBERATELY PRETENDING THEY DID NOT EXIST.

    1. Jordan: Dallas signed him to that offer sheet before he broke it and went back to the Clippers.

    2. James: Miami wanted James to stay and was willing to pay James whatever he wanted, but James wanted to go back to Cleveland.

    3. Greg Monroe was offered max deals by both his Detroit team and the Bucks. A fierce recruiting battle eventually landed Monroe on the Bucks.

  • KHuang

    It’s a FAIR POST that retaliates against the stuff you’ve fired against me earlier today.

    I don’t see us trolling each other.

  • CaliUSMC

    What? Bro you got issues. WOW. HAHA

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Those monetary offers were made VERBALLY. No contracts were printed until a single verbal offer was agreed upon. In fact there is 1 week period in which no written contracts can be signed. But anyway, you digress. Why can’t you provide the links to offer sheets that you claimed to have?

  • KHuang

    NO.

    ONE offer, just like Lin said in his introductory press conference and was formally reported.

    Why are so many Lin fans so angry at me for pointing this out? Those Lin fans should be angry with NBA teams for not having the guts to offer Lin fair market contract value, not at me for criticizing those NBA teams for undervaluing Lin.

  • KHuang

    You’re still here?

    I refuse to answer your posts.

  • LinJa

    Me too. I’m in Houston an I got league pass now. So I’ve put my money on Lin this drain after seeing preseason.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED.

    Now you are trolling me.

  • KHuang

    NO NO NO.

    Multiple teams were in the running for Dragic, including the Lakers who officially reported interest in signing him.

  • I’m 100% on-board with your assessment.

    I predict Clifford will test Lamb’s clutchness to close out 4-5 games before making determination if Lamb can grow to be clutch.

    I can see he gets pressure from FO or assistant coaches to give Lamb chances to close games since Hornets gave him 3-yr extension & he has given more chances to JLin than Lamb. With 4-5 losses, he can tell them his honest assessment.

    I’m eager to see how many FTs Lamb can generate in closing out games.
    He might make some shots but he won’t be close to match JLin’s impact in drawing fouls & changing the momentum of the game

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I want others to stop convincing or disagree with you. They just need to take Lin’s words for it. Doesn’t matter what you think, Khuang. None of us were there in that room with Lin.

  • CaliUSMC

    I feel bad for you honestly.

    Let the mods judge if I hurt your feelings today. Have a goodnight buddy. LOL

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Why did the Rox take him in 2012? Did Lin convert to Asian in 2013? And why did the Hornets just sign him? Did Lin promise to stop being Asian?

  • CJSHYY

    I think what Lin sacrificed not only salary but stats too. I agree he will close the games but his season w Hornets will always be up & down like past… smh! I used to believe Cliff didn’t lie to Lin but now I am not really sure about that. Cliff was fighting for his job so badly that’s why he would say anything to get Lin on the team. Just like BS before the hired by Lakers.

  • KHuang

    It doesn’t matter what I think, but it matters WHAT HAPPENED.

    ONE contract offer to sign, and Lin signed it. NO OTHERS, just like Lin said.

    You should not trust the NY Post, by the way. They fire constant anti Lin articles. You’re being HOODWINKED and you may not even know it.

  • LinJa

    If you are on this forum after all the teams Lin has been in, you can bet they’re hardcore Lin fans lol

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Cliff and front office are on the same page. Cliff is just the executioner.

  • KHuang

    You trolls come here just to fire flames.

    You don’t have any analysis to offer.

    I know your SAD game.

  • CJSHYY

    Cliff & Cho (GM)?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Cho flew to Lin’s home the very next day, guess what he brought with him? A contract.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Cho and MJ are one. Own and boss. Batman and Robin.

  • CJSHYY

    No, Lin’s dad said in Taiwan. Mem too.

  • KHuang

    And who else flew to Lin’s home?

    NOBODY.

    It wasn’t like Houston that flew to Kyle Lowry’s home to offer him a formal deal to replace Lin that Lowry turned down and was reported.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    Because you can’t.

  • KHuang

    STOP LYING.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Houston never had a chance to flight to Lowry’s home. He twitted out he resigned

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2014/07/03/raptors_fans_overjoyed_as_free_agent_kyle_lowry_resigns_in_toronto.html

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Lin said in his introductory press conference that he had ONE offer to sign.

    Multiple teams may have been talking to Lin, but none of them
    valued him enough to actually offer him money.

  • Spot

    KHuang, I see your point but it’s not like that.

    Jeremy turned down Memphis, GS and others. He chose Charlotte just because he thought to become a starter again with big minutes. <20 is not big minutes. He's been played for fool unfortunately. Lesson learned, hopefully.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You’re such a liar. You’re the only one who’s happy when things go badly for Lin. Because it supports your narrative: “Everyone hates the Asian guy. “

  • your son’s voltaire

    so are you saying that 28 other teams had ZERO interests in these guys? LOL

  • occupatio

    its not really about who is more clutch, whatever that means. lamb is a one way player — his defensive awareness is garbage. the dagger 3 that JR smith hit in the 4th quarter, that was on lamb who gave JR a wide open shot, and he was so far out that he started closing on JR from below the elbow! lamb is pretty clueless on the defensive end, on top of being slow to work through screens, sometimes totally useless. u need stops to close games.

    plus, lamb is incapable of playing 5-on-5. hes also not capable of gauging what is a good shot and not a good shot and cannot find open teammates. and when he plays with kemba, he will rarely be used well as a spot up shooter bc kemba is kemba.

    whereas lin is a two-way player and plays 5-on-5 and does everything on the court. its not even something vague like ‘clutchness’. lin is just a better player than lamb period.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    It is EXACTLY like I said.

    What none of you understand is that I have no bias in this issue. I am simply reporting the FACTS as they were reported on the two “gold standard” websites of NBA rumors.

  • DX

    Now Lin’s PT get less and less. His stats get lower and lower. Just really hope other PMs or coaches can see Lin’s improvement. It seems Hornets is just 1 year deal.

  • your son’s voltaire

    KHuang, you said Lebron, Jordan and Monroe had two offer sheets. so by your logic, 28 other teams had ZERO interests in them. LOL

  • KHuang

    Actually, McHale and Morey flew out to Lowry’s home at midnight of free agency BEFORE this signing.

    Lowry made the decision to sign with the Raptors AFTER McHale and Morey had made their sales pitch days earlier and presented a formal contract offer.

    That was REPORTED.

  • your son’s voltaire

    facts are fine, but your opinion that no other teams were interested in him is flawed

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    No, they don’t have money to sign Lowry. They proposed the Raptors sign and trade.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24602757/report-rockets-offer-for-kyle-lowry-doa-because-raps-wont-trade

  • CaliUSMC

    “good, learn your place” LOL. It’s SO funny to me cause you’re a nobody to me, and you’re trying to hurt my feelings online. LOL

    I usually dont even respond to your comments- and you’re right I dont know the history between you and voltaire. But I only responded cause I REALLY do want to see where the offer sheets are. And I’m sure a lot of other people on this forum want to see it too.

    I dont have analysis to offer, but I don’t care. I’m a fan of lin.

    My game is sad. k. LOL

  • KHuang

    Agree.

    Lin’s value is PLAINLY OBVIOUS to those who know basketball – otherwise fans on this site wouldn’t be so excited about his game.

    But will other NBA offices see Lin’s value? Personally I doubt it, but we’ll find out next season.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    You don’t understand how this works, so you’re spinning yourself off further.

  • LinJa

    After watching the jlin clips. I think cliff didn’t close out with Lin because of SG size that Lin has to guard.

  • KHuang

    It’s STILL a contract they were talking about.

    The point is that if a team is serious about a player, they will find. some way to formally offer that player a contract in a very public way.

    Charlotte offered that contract and camped out on Lin’s doorstep just like McHale and Morey did on Lowry’s.
    No other team did though. Those would have been reported too, just like Dallas rescinding its interest in Lin this summer was formally reported.

  • your son’s voltaire

    nope. you said no other teams were interested in Lin because he had just 1 contract offer. so it would apply that those other guys who had just 2 contract offers each had interests from the remaining 28 teams. lol. there’s no spinning. it’s as clear as daylight

  • occupatio

    i thought of that too. but can that guy guard Lin? nope.

    lamb matches up better in size but he is just a poor defender all around.

  • your son’s voltaire

    obviously not, since as you said, no other teams were even interested in him in the off-season lol

  • Yascar

    No I don’t think you’re taking anyone’s side. But do you really think calling other fans “fortress defenders”, and saying “they ran out of excuses” is respectful and positive?

    They’re not swearing but they are gloating when they think they are right, driving the rest of us who think differently.

    And yet, none of us knows who is right. Maybe we are all wrong. At the end of the day, even Jeremy doesn’t know whats coming next.

  • Spot

    KHuang, again, there are words spoken from Jeremy’s father. It’s his father 🙂

    He told there were other teams interested but they chose Charlotte but just one year to gain a more lucrative contract the next year. They said they turned down richer and longer contract, obviously less than 10 mln for reasons you explained perfectly.

  • KHuang

    Clifford has a $7 million reserve shooting guard in Jeremy Lamb that played only 23 minutes even after Clifford sacrificed Lin’s minutes to play Lamb.

    Lamb NEEDS MINUTES, and he also NEEDS EXPERIENCE. There is no way for Lamb to get that experience other than to tough it out at the ends of games, often at Lin’s expense. After all, Lamb will presumably be with the team for 3 more seasons.

    I’m sure size is part of the equation but not the whole equation.

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    You doubt it? You already stated with absolute confidence that no team would be interested in signing Lin in FA and he would be out of the NBA THIS SEASON. You constantly make your outrageous bombastic claims and then you back track like a pair of flip flops.

  • LinJa

    Hindsight 20/20. Lamb was not better defender. Plus doesn’t carry the same threat as jlin on defensive rotation for cavs. But I think cliff didn’t to play bigs. JR smith vs lamb should be good match up.

  • KHuang

    TROLL FLAGGED AGAIN.

    You hate trolls should be BANNED

    Administration is making a serious error by not banning you.

  • occupatio

    the dagger 3 that JR smith shot in the 4th quarter, wide open. go back and watch who made that defensive mistake.

  • Spot

    Clifford is as bad as McHale. Maybe even worse.

  • KHuang

    That’s what I’m afraid of.

    It’s not my call.

  • Uh-Oh

    Please delete Khuang’s “You troll….You should be banned..” Post as well. I don’t want to read it multiple times. (Quite annoying, honestly) And he should be remind to let the mods handle the matter itself.

  • KHuang

    If the HATE TROLLS didn’t pollute this forum with their endless lying and flaming, I wouldn’t have to write that at all.

  • LinJa

    Yeah I know and I believe cliff knows Lins defense is better than lamb. But like you said experiment and on paper it makes sense to go big

  • Jeremiah (the Grey)

    If you only knew how much you make me laugh.

  • CaliUSMC

    I agree. Mods- delete that trash. Lets keep this forum clean!

  • your son’s voltaire

    sorry but Lin had a 3 year contract worth around 8 mil each year when he was in Houston. he didn’t get to “touch it out at the ends of games” there. instead they started some minimum wage scrub over him

  • KHuang

    Nope.

    You need to follow the NBA more closely, especially players other than Lin.

  • KHuang

    Lin’s father is not Lin’s agent.

    He reported teams talking to Lin, but even Lin said he only had one offer.

    I go by what Lin OFFICIALLY SAID IN HIS PRESS COONFERENCE.

  • occupatio

    lamb is so clueless sometimes. its frustrating.

    he doesnt see the rest of the court on offense, and this is kind of the same thing on the defensive end. he doesnt have a feel for what teams are trying to do, so hes not in the right place beforehand. a lot of it is inexperience, but hes been pretty dumb on the defensive end even from his early years. im very pessimistic about that part of his game.

  • your son’s voltaire

    dude. i’ve been watching the nba ever since the showtime era. pa-lease

  • KHuang

    How about you stop flaming people first?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Very public way? Have you heard of the term undisclosed?

  • Acbc

    The reality that exists for Lin sucks and people look at this fact as the reasons to give up hope. Instead of holding onto love, people would rather hate. Hate for everyone that stands in Lin’s way, hate for all who still choose to be hopeful. Is this the reality we want to exist in?

    What amazes me is how people want to accept “reality”. What has reality come to? The concept of existentialism comes from what we believe is our reality, that what we see and feel is the only thing we should trust as truth. The real physical world and our existence can point to only one truth, that our existence is a fluke of the universe. Thee is no life at all, there is only existence. Our life is a collection of memories and that memory affirms our existence, noting more nothing less. THAT IS EXISTENTIALISM AND THAT IS OUR EXISTENCE.

    It never ceases to amaze me that humans would rather hang on to what they know as existence and accept that their life has no meaning beyond what they can only sense with their physical senses.

    I feel pity for those who choose to exist like that, to live and die like that and not ever feel the magic of living. Life is felt in our hearts and soul. The things we all value can’t be explain by science. Love and hope is what really drives us to live and not just exist. We love and hope and live out our lives beyond the borders of time by feeling for the generations that have given us life and the generations of hope to come. Anyone that says they don’t want these things are deceiving themselves into merely existing.

    Lin’s situation is a lot like many Asians who’ve struggled to get ahead and make a decent existence. That existence though doesn’t necessarily create a life. The manner of that existence with all the trappings of success or vanities cannot replace the life lived with love and hope. That to me is Lin’s reality.

    Lin’s existence sucks, but he’s life is full of love and hope. This the biggest lesson we can learn from such an incredible and special human being.

    I choose to be hopeful and I choose to love. The same way Lin chooses to be hopeful and love those who transgress against him.

  • Let me offer some perspective of what’s going on at the moment.

    1. JLin’s role for this 1 year is to power the bench. Rich Cho has said it during the presser. He and Hornets know very well he’ll probably get better offer than the $2.2M for the 2nd year option so he most likely will leave the Hornets next year. Hornets is invested in Kemba $48M contract, wooing Batum to come back next season, testing Lamb’s potential after 3-yr contract so it’s unrealistic to expect JLin to get starter minutes.

    2. Lamb’s 3 year extension complicate JLin’s role because there will be pressure to give Lamb chances to close out games, especially when he has been shooting well to start the season and JLin has struggled in the consistency department
    I expect Coach Clifford to give Lamb multiple chances to close out games so he can test for himself and give reports to FO how well Lamb can help Hornets to win at the end of games. Clifford is smart and wants to win games so I’ll say if Lamb keep losing 4-5 games in trying to close them, he knows Lamb is not ready to be the 6th Man.

    3. For JLin fans, it’s important to realize that Clifford has the obligation to test JLamb’s clutchness to see if he can be part of Hornets future. I expect he will see that Lamb can’t draw fouls to get FTs consistently to give momentum to win games. His shooting will come and go. Kemba and Batum can’t facilitate the ball movement as well as JLin to look for opportunities to turn good shots to great shots

    So please expect some growing pain by understanding the current situation of Hornets organization.

    My principle is “If you can’t see JLin is worth investing by giving him a major role to help Hornets win & go to playoff, then you don’t deserve to keep JLin because you’re not smart enough to figure it out”

    For me Hornets is still a better organization by giving JLin some chances to play his game than Lakers or Houston. I believe other teams made worse offer than Hornets as far as salary or the role off-the-bench.

    So for now Hornets is the best date JLin can find. Will Hornets be smart enough to make a long-term commitment into a marriage? We have 2015-16 season to witness how the events unfold

    To me, Clifford and the Hornets will figure out JLin is the best playmaker but it remains to be seen if they are willing to give him bigger roles & plays.

    So don’t get too upset. Hornets is the best date for JLin but they might or might not be smart enough to enter marriage with him. I expect by Dec-Feb, JLin’s agents to tell Hornets they better get serious in trusting him (just like Montgomery did with the Lakers to tweet “Victory is certain” to get JLin consistent PT last season). Not sure what will happen if they don’t.

    For now, let’s hope for the best for this date since it’s getting on a bumpy ride.
    JLin is doing great. He just needs to continue fighting and play his best.
    He is a survivor after all.

  • KHuang

    McHale is McHale, Clifford is Clifford.

    UNRELATED scenarios, though I see your point.

    I trashed Bev for not performing when Lin was highly paid and highly performing.

    But Lin is no longer highly paid, though he is highly performing.

    Do I think Lin should get the nod over Lamb? Yes, and if I had my way it would be Lin over Walker and Batum too. But I don’t run this team. I’m simply trying to see the situation from Clifford’d perspective.

  • LinJa

    Trust me, Lin is in no way a terrible situation. He is millionaire playing basketball lol. But yes please enjoy watching Lin and have faith.

  • blubell

    I understand what you’re saying and feeling. I have warned some of them earlier and moderated comments that are impolite – that implies “I told you so.” Unfortunately I can’t catch everything and sometimes difficult to determine where to draw the line. Everyone is frustrated. Hang in there. We’re trying our best.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Love and hate are what fans expressed in any competition sport. This is not going to church on Sunday.

  • KHuang

    psalm234, can you CLEAN UP OUR FORUM?

    There’s too much flaming going on here.

    Trolls are deliberately flaunting the rules even after repeated warnings. They’re wrecking this place.

  • occupatio

    great post. thanks.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    You missed the point.

  • CaliUSMC

    Ignore him please. His troll comments are seriously disrupting the flow of this thread. Just be the bigger person and ignore his comments like I am.

  • your son’s voltaire

    the point i’m trying to make is that the situation from Clifford’s perspective with Lamb/Lin isn’t that much different than the situation from Mchale’s perspective with Lin/Bev. don’t try to justify Clifford’s rotation with such weak examples

  • Uh-Oh

    His first reply to you was something like “Volitaire is not angry, he just ask a question…”

    Tell us how is this flaming you? (Not people)

  • KHuang

    BEST post of the year.

    I’m getting flamed and ridiculed for writing the same exact things.

    The situation is not ideal not just for Lin but for the Hornets. I believe that Lin is the most important Hornet, and I’m just writing as a generalized NBA fan and not a LOF.

    I just hope that Lin can get a solid role and solid contract so that he doesn’t have to face uncertainty year after year.

  • LinJa

    Sorry tldr

  • KHuang

    Frustration is as much part of the Lin story as adoration of his game and personality are.

    I choose to enjoy Lin’s time in the NBA as long as it lasts, however long it lasts.

    I embrace both the frustration and the adoration.

  • CaliUSMC

    Very well written Psalm. Cheers 🙂

  • I haven’t gone through every single post but I’m getting concerned that JLin fans’ anger translate to attack among Lin fans when people have disagreement.

    For everyone, please respect the forum rules to be respectful even if other Lin fans have different opinions.
    Just agree to disagree and hope for the best for JLin. If things continue to escalate, I’d have to ask the mods to reinstate temporary bans if multiple warnings do not work. Sometimes a “hockey penalty” might work to let hot heads to cool down,

  • TTNN

    I think you should be reminded too, let the mod handle the matter.

  • KHuang

    Heh heh, going to church on Sunday will often mean direct discussion of the ROUGH things in life!

  • blubell

    KHuang, let the mods handle it. There is no need to respond to posts you feel are personal attacks with a personal attack. Best course of action on your part would be to just move on.

  • KHuang

    That was NOT the first reply, but I actually sympathize with you.

    But until Administration CRACKS DOWN on the bad hate trolls, the flaming and lying will CONTINUE UNABATED.

  • blubell

    Thank you psalm. Featured this post 🙂

  • TTNN

    it is better to have it controlled. Looks like some of them kind of need some help to stay cool…….

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Sport is entertainment for fans not their real life.

  • KHuang

    I feel it is NOT being handled.

    Repeat offenders are INCORRIGIBLE.

    When you permit them to continue firing flames, they get BOLD and FIRE MORE.

    I’ve been fighting Jeremiah the Grey for MONTHS. Repeated flags have done NOTHING.

    I do feel you are doing a great job overall, but having a permissive attitude toward repeat offenders will not stop anyone.

  • Uh-Oh

    Whatever! Evidence is here and there for people to see. I just dislike to read your “you troll…this and that, you should be banned” stuff over and over. That’s all.

  • CaliUSMC

    Very well said my friend. Cheers.

  • CaliUSMC

    Your hard work is not going unnoticed 🙂

  • TTNN

    well said.

  • Uh-Oh

    accepted.

  • KHuang

    Too bad if you don’t like it.

    I do not instigate the flames. But I WILL alert Administration to snuff them.

  • blubell

    Thank you for you support as always 🙂

  • KHuang

    The trolls fire attacks regardless.

    Only a HEAVY HAND will keep this forum clean.

    You have to get MEAN. Otherwise this forum will turn into a CURSEFEST like it did earlier today.

  • occupatio

    spamming the board does not make the board better.

  • Spot

    Sixers need a PG. They can call Spurs and trade for Patty Mills. Don’t know anyway, it’s up to his agents.

    If Jeremy doesn’t put up good numbers he’ll waste his talent in situations like this.

    If it’s good to them it’s good for me. But as a basketball fan, it’s really disappointing. One of the best PG in the league relegated to 18 minutes play.

    And thing that makes me mad it’s some still value Clifford as a good coach who trusts in Jeremy.

  • Rzo Vlade

    the biggest question is jlin is playing limited minutes but when he is in is no play call for him what the he@#l is that

  • KHuang

    Weak examples?

    How are they weak?

    Lin is a $2 million player. Typically $2 million players don’t have much NBA privilege. Even Brian Roberts who earns more than Lin is a DNP CD, if you want to talk real unfairness.

  • Yes, KHuang. We know Lin is the most important Hornet, MJ might even meant what he said of Lin being his biggest summer acquisition.

    But NBA politics might get in the way so we’d never know. Let’s just hope for the best.

    Please also don’t call other long-term JLin fans troll in retaliation. If you feel they launch personal attacks, please simply raise to the mods. We will moderate and give repeated warnings before temporary ban. Permanent ban will be the last resort, especially for long-term JLin fans.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his own way.
    ~ ~ sooner or later Cliff will realise that.

  • your son’s voltaire

    yeah, cus that worked with mchale and byron

  • KHuang

    When you explain it to me like that, I will obey.

    But in the past when I’ve done that, you guys have not cracked down as you say you would have.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hahaha

  • Acbc

    Unfortunately for you that you can’t see that Lin’s basketball skills are not only expressed in competition. I would even suggest that those skills are secondary to being an ambassador for his faith. Lin’s basketball career is secondary to his faith. Sunday school is for the young who are learning to have faith. Lin is a master of his faith. He lives it seven days a week, 24/7.

    There’s a lot of Lin fans that don’t appreciate that side of him. They want Lin to be this or that for their own vanities. Unfortunately you have to accept Lin as a complete package. He is 24/7 a Christian whether you like it or not.

  • Rzo Vlade

    I really dont get it I can accept limited minutes but call a play on jlin I dont care if you play him 18mins but when he is in let all the play on jlin when he is on the floor

  • I believe Clifford had some trust in Lin but definitely not as much as MDA’s faith in JLin.

    It’s a rocky relationship at the moment. Not as bad as BScott & McHale but definitely not as good as MDA.
    For me, it’s not as black and white. It has some shades of grey =)

    All this struggle makes me long for MDA to get another NBA head-coaching gig.
    Only he can appreciate JLin’s creativity as much as he valued Nash.

    I don’t care if people say JLin is a product of MDA system; if MDA PG-centric system brings out the best in JLin, so be it. Nash also didn’t shine in LA

  • Singapore BB Fan

    I think most of us here are puzzled too. IMO JLin is getting better with each game. He is really intelligent.

  • KHuang

    Correct.

    In the NBA, it’s every man for himself.

    The trick is for Lin to do that in a way that still plays winning team basketball.

    I felt that tonight’s game was a good “blueprint” for Lin on how to handle his court time, though obviously Lin deserved much more court time than he got.

  • It’s a hard job for mods to moderate through all the posts with family/work responsibility but we try to do our best.

    Everyone will make some mistakes here and there. What’s important is forgive each other’s mistakes and move on.

    I have to turn in now but I will read more posts tomorrow on how the disagreement started to unravel

  • your son’s voltaire

    roberts never had a 8 mil a year for 3 year contract. roberts never lost his starting role to a scrub earning less than 1 mil a year. roberts never took a huge pay cut to join a middle of the road team. roberts never had multiple teams interested in him. roberts never had a moment where people called him robertsanity. i can go on. but i’m pretty sure you’re just throwing out weak examples so that i can do your dirty work by shooting them down. lol 😛

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    His faith is in his heart, I don’t need to know or question. All I wanted was to enjoy fully by watching his career as an entertainer who makes a living playing bb. For you should be the same keep your faith to yourself, me not interested or care.

  • KHuang

    Accepted.

    Just know that repeated warnings DO NOT WORK on trolls.

    I suggest you do a one strike you’re out policy.

    Draconian as that sounds, the trolls will self moderate if they know that they’ll be instantly banned.

    It’s because you have busy lives and great analysis on this forum that you CANNOT AFFORD to let trolls GAME YOUR SYSTEM. I strongly urge you to just crack down hard and fast. 99% of the trolls here will clean up their act instantly and become thoughtful intelligent members.

  • your son’s voltaire

    the only blueprint on how Lin should play that i got from this game was that ankle breaker. he should do a lot more of those

  • Spot

    At least Rockets had Harden and Howard.

    You see the crossover and you see the waste of talent: it was front rim cause Jeremy wastes too much energy on defence.

    It’s frustrating… But we can’t do nothing. It’s up to Jeremy and his agents. Good is it’s only one year.

  • Singapore BB Fan

    Naise…

  • KHuang

    Sure – but Lin’s doing A LOT of good stuff.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    What McHale did with benching Lin was PURE RACISM AND BAD BASKETBALL.

    But on this Hornets team, Lin is a low paid player playing behind Kemba Walker who’s actually having a pretty good season. Mind you, I actually cannot stand Walker’s game and like him even less than you do. But he’s a big boxscore producer, so there is some justification in playing Walker over Lin.

    Now Hairston? I think Hairston should be out of the rotation entirely with his minutes handed to Lin or Lamb. Right now, Lamb is scoring more than Lin even though Lin’s by far the better overall player. So let Lamb take Hairston’s minutes.

    Do I want Lin to play more? OF COURSE. But at least Lin isn’t being frozen out as badly as he was in Houston, nor is Lin being punished for playing well.

    I’m trying to explain Clifford’s behavior. That doesn’t mean I agree.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    With all that, I hope Lin had minor ache somewhere for sitting out next game.

  • Hope

    Lin has been playing really well this year.

  • KHuang

    Of course: NBA.com and hoopshype report “undisclosed” contract offers that go unsigned too.

    It’s just like when Lin was a rookie, he had LA and Dallas and Golden State and an “unnamed” Eastern team all offering Lin REAL MONEY with “undisclosed” terms as reported on both NBA.command hoopshype. The reason such offers were not reported this season is because there WEREN’T ANY to report, unlike 2010.

  • KHuang

    Agree totally.

    I have no complaints.

    Lin, like all players, will have an occasional off game. But overall he’s been terrific, like today.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Yes. I agree too. What makes Lin special this season is his new moves in the game. He can now go one on one with crossovers and hesitation moves and not solely depends on his lightning quickness to get an open look. If he could make his shots at better %, he would be a tremendous asset for the team.

    Again it’s up to Lin to improve on his game so that he could play well without fouling and turning the ball over for whatever reasons.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    He has also raised an important perspective. Lin do have reasons to relax and play his game as well as he could.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Huang, just flag those rubbish offensive postings at the first sight which helps the mod to clean it up.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I don’t think we should suggest to bench Hairston who by the way is playing real hard to earn his living. Let the coach do the job. Be positive Huang and you could make Lin’s life a lot easier.

  • PETE B

    Hornets players and coaches have no idea how much better they have to play to continue to win and be successful game by game. alot of guys desperately need to step it up , including Lamb bc he hasnt had much of a role at OKC
    Clifford coaching needs to get better too , tough games ahead this week

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Clifford is definitely better. At Least Lin can pick his brain and understand the game lots better. Also Lin has improved on his defense too. After a year in this team, Lin definitely will be sought after more. We have coaches here in Charlotte which could help Lin improve on his game.

  • Joe what do you know

    You, sir, are a true magician with words. Yet again I feel that I owe you more than 1 uproot….

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    If that is true, it’ll help Lin get more minutes when the games become more important for the team to win.
    This is a long season. Lin will eventually get his chance to shine. All he needs is to improve on his game. He is not totally benched like Brian Roberts. He still can shine and the pressure on him to improve will be good for him.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin will make his value shown one day by making the right plays consistently. The pressure is on him to outperform his competitors immensely rather than marginally. Lin will be in good health condition by playing less minutes and still can make improvements. I really don’t want Lin to get bang up for $2M+.

    All Lin needs to do is to show his potential in making big plays consistently. Presently ESPN has been reporting about Lin’s new moves. This is definitely positive for LIn’s future.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Lin has made so much improvements on his one on one moves in the off season that I have confident he will break out this season as the season goes on. Lin is only playing limited minutes which is good for his health. As the season goes, starters and heavy minute players will be more likely to get hurt. So when the moment comes, Lin will be able to show what he is really worth to a team. I’m all good with this.

    Note Coach Clifford isn’t going to throw away games just to make some of his players look good. He really wants to win. When Lin can play at the next level, he will be given the opportunity. Now, Lin is not consistently playing at high level but his day will come.

    Moreover, this is just the beginning of the season, and not even close to the crucial moment of the playoff race. I believe Lin’s time will come eventually. Even at the sideline, Lin can still study the game closely so that he could better fit in the team. It’s cool.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The season is so long. It’s difficult to keep players healthy for the entire season. Conspiracy like that is bound to fail. All Lin needs is a moment like Linsanity. As Lin keeps on improving, his time will come when he’s healthy and others are taking chances to get badly banged up with heavy minutes.

  • zxcvb

    Just needs to play more minutes. He’s one of the very best 4Q and OT players in the league. No matter what he does beforehand, he always delivers when needed. But Clifford still hasn’t learned.

    I could just see Lin ready to go off tonight as well. Dumb Clifford probably benched him for the TOs and wanted to go with “length” on defense, even though Lin had shut down both Smith and Delly completely. Lamb is garbage without Lin to feed him. Batum is not a go-to guy. Kemba is a chucker who needs space to get hot.

  • Joe what do you know

    Was working during game time so didn’t get to watch the game. Will do later.
    By the looks of it though, seemed like a very winnable game until Lin was taken out at around 8min mark of the 4th.
    Again a head scratching move by the coach. I still don’t see him having personal issues with Lin contrary to some people here might believe. But I’m close to a conclusion that he might not be as bright as I thought him would be, barring that there’s no FO pressure to give certain player more minutes in expense of Lin’s rightful playtime. Pretty disappointed to be honest, but again, I’m not the kind of person that gets fired up at these matters. Guess I’m just not a full-time professional Lin fan whose survival is at the mercy of Jeremy’s basketball stats…..

  • kittyhead

    If he really wanted length…then he should sit Walker again to seal the win instead of Lin…

  • blubell
  • Spot

    So Clifford is a baaaaad coach.

    I told you, they could have been title contender but they’re stuck with this mediocre coach now.

  • adele

    Not bad. Just d…mb and st..pid

  • adele

    Just fill in the blanks.

  • adele

    I know.

  • spiderman

    Amazing!
    Points to Charlotte’s slowness

  • your son’s voltaire

    i’d say. after Lin left with 8:15 minutes left to play, the cavs outscored the hornets 16 to 8

  • kjch

    Lol does watching highlights count? I’ll be about 200+.. Gave up on the lakers midway thru the season haha

  • Lx

    wait.. WHAT?? 🙁

  • adele

    100%

  • adele

    I value your opinion coz I think you are one of the smart bloggers here. What do you think about the way this game was handled by the coach? I think at this point, we just have to do a game by game evaluation. I’m not talking about the stats, Just want to know your opinion on how the coach use Lin in the game in matters of minutes, usage whether he is more on defense or offense, I know it’s a tall order but I sensed that you are one of the bloggers here that I can trust to answer in a level headed way.

  • blubell
  • Lin Win

    People here don’t realise Lin has no role in the team and will soon be an expendable piece.

    What is Lin’s role exactly and what’s the point of signing him?
    They sign him to be the ball handler for the bench, pick and roll maestro and a penetrator in the paint.
    Clifford gives him little of each:

    -Lin hardly gets to be the floor general in the second unit because it’s always Kemba or Batum handling the ball.

    -Lin results to sitting in the corner waiting for a catch and shoot which he sucks at. Batum is a far more superior pick and pop/catch and shoot player yet he’s trying to play PG and average 3TOs ppg.

    -Lin in crunch time almost never touches the ball since our offense revolves solely on Batum and Walker.

    Lin only gets inconsistent minutes and plays with Hawes who can’t finish, score 3pts consistently AND set picks.

    Lin would be stupid to resign because when MKG comes back Batum will be sent to the second unit and Lin will continue to sit in the corner.

    It’s okay to be positive but there is a limit and when it goes past that limit then it’s ignorance.

  • adele

    Surprised?

  • adele

    Thanks for the break-down. Hats off. But your opinion might not be popular here and will be viewed as a negative.

  • Yascar

    I don’t understand how hoping that Lin gets a minor ache and not do his job is level headed.

    I can be positive and you can be negative. Whatever. But don’t mistake either side to be intelligence or lack of ignorance.

  • Yascar

    Being positive and negative is an attitude and the attitude we take is due to different interpretations of the facts. You’re looking at exactly the same things Psalm broke down in the featured comment but his conclusion is somewhat different to yours.

    I would prefer you don’t call people ignorant for having a different opinion and attitude. Let’s learn to co-exist, shall we?

  • JoeTeam

    Bonfire of the vanities ….

  • Phillycheese

    Lin is not expendable piece. Hornets will not find a better player for twice his salary cap. They may not showcase him as much as their committed pieces, but that is much different from being expendable. Lin will find a way to make an impact. Lamb has had a good run, but he is not there yet in terms of defense, playmaking and clutchness.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! His brother got coach support him & due to his last min FT they got the won.

  • Phillycheese

    So if Lin said, make me an offer, you think none of those teams that were interested would give him an offer? You’re arguing semantics.

  • KHuang

    Not at all.

    We all agree, me included.

    If Clifford wants to try phasing Lin out, LET HIM. See how well the Hornets do without Lin.

    Lin’s previous 3 NBA teams tried that. They all found out the hard way that not playing Lin causes MASSIVE LOSING.

  • Phillycheese

    With that logic, there was also talk of Dallas trying to do a sign and trade with LA Lakers for Lin.

  • KHuang

    Clifford is a 0.500 coach at best who’s struggling to be a winning coach.

  • KHuang

    BANG.

    Truth of the game RIGHT HERE.

  • CJSHYY

    The only time Lin can be PG it’s 2Q before Kemba & Batum came in. In late 4Q, Lin couldn’t touch the ball bc that’s set up for Kemba & Batum not Lin. smh!

    Don’t think Lin will come back next season. Right now let’s go through this season first…. smh!

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! The one said that seems no show in here after last night’s game. LOL!

  • adele

    Don’t point a finger on me. I just want to ask his opinion. Just disregard my statements just I disregard yours so we can have a peaceful blogging experience here. And as somebody said here, I have the right to express my opinion. Of course according to the mods rules.

  • K. P. Chan

    I hear you, Psalm. What you’ve said is totally level-headed and sound advice.

    But here’s my problem with all this: In business and sports dealings, as in all other endeavors in life, there is the word of honor. I am not implying that Lin was duped into this outright, or there were empty promises or untruths being employed in convincing Lin to join the team. I am simply saying there were reasonable expectations on Lin’s part, based on which Lin made this decision.

    These expectations were clearly articulated by Lin himself: That Cliff understood his game; that Lin would be afforded the opportunities to play his game; and to be used in a way that would maximize his potentials. He didn’t just imagine these. These were told to him during extensive conversations, according to Lin himself.

    These expectations clearly have not been met, and not always for valid reasons.

    Yes, the team is invested in Kemba, and Cliff has an obligation to test and stretch Lamb after the latter’s contract extension. But using Lin properly and testing Lam while still invested in Kemba are not mutually exclusive.

    Cliff has the obligation to do whatever it takes to win games. Yes, that’s very true. But his stubbornness and “bone-headed” decisions on rotations (sorry, can’t resist 🙂 are surely funny ways to help the team win games.

    The offense often comes alive when Lin steps onto the court. Lamb may have the hot shooting hand now, but do we have to point out that he cannot facilitate? And Lin is by far the better defender.

    So your counsel that we need to be careful and circumspect is totally valid. But I would think at this point Lin needs to have a heart-to-heart with Cliff and ask what the deal is. That is not being negative on Lin’s part. It will a a mature and intelligent way for Lin to help explore with his coach to see what is best for the team going forward.

    My rant!

  • guest in the house

    Great post.

  • CJSHYY

    Even I think they will increase Lin’s min next game but can’t agree more about next year…

    https://twitter.com/zukovka/status/670439895438106624

  • Yascar

    You implied that other people here are not level headed.

    And I have the right to express my opinion too. Fair enough. Let’s move on.

  • Teal

    I can imagine the quietness of Charlotte Hornets website and all other fan sites..yeah, the hornets will be buzzing but the noise is only within NC, not far and wide. Think they don’t really care, after all, they still have MJ the GOAT and Kemba the Sky Walker, Jeremy Lin is only a fluke to them, no biggie… 🙂

  • Rzo Vlade

    I hope jlin has cho’s back if see nothing changes in the minutes of his fellow asian I hope jlin and cho colluded to trade him to a better team either contending team….i will happily accept if traded to bucks for MCW or to the knicks but I prefer contending team….cho do something this dec deadline for your asian brother

  • Yascar

    Good post and absolutely agree. We don’t know if Lin is having conversations with Clifford or not – he may or may not have already.

    There will come a time when he will need to make a decision on his future and he will most certainly have a conversation then. I sometimes wish Lin had a bit more business savvy, and I was very vocal about that last summer. I really think he undervalued himself this season and now he’s almost at the mercy of the Hornets. Ironically, the cheapness of his contract is both a boon and a bane. A boon because they will not get anyone as good as him with that money, a bane because his one other ace – the player option – means he is uncommitted to them for the long term and it appears to be giving them every right to remain uncommitted to him.

    Having said that, I don’t think there is underlying hate of Lin by Clifford. I think Clifford is just stubborn and trying to make pieces work, going from game to game, and sometimes – or maybe often – making the wrong decisions.

  • guest in the house

    Cho could be the culprit behind all that Clifford has done to Lin the past 16 games. The more I think about it, the more I can’t trust Cho like the way I did before the regular season started.

  • Rzo Vlade

    thats why i said I hope…..hope he is not part of it…..cause if cho is not part of it he can conspire with jlin and trade him to jlin prefered destination

  • guest in the house

    fingers crossed…

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Many Lin fans have been banned from at the hive for no valid reason. Perhaps Chao is the one behind all those activities.

  • Lin Win

    You don’t understand. Lin has no role. He isn’t the 6th man or the 7th man. He’s the last person in the rotation. This makes him a piece that you can easily get from the league. A catch and shoot shooter would do the same thing as Lin if not better because Lin’s arsenal isn’t even being used.

  • Lin Win

    I never called anyone ignorant but when everyone believes it’s all unicorns and rainbows instead of the reality then it becomes ignorant. Lin isn’t the 6th or 7th man in rotation which makes him a 3 on the bench.

  • guest in the house

    Yeah that Chao could be an undercover spy to do things behind the scene…yikes

  • Lin Win

    It might be a massive loss in our perspective but Lin just wasted another season of his prime. Lin won’t have much years left and Lin’s catch and shooting game isn’t that great.

  • CJSHYY

    Hornets is a really small market team. Like one of the Lin’s fan said in FB comment, he’s a Mav’s fan too. In Mav web… always lots of fans show up…. but not Hornets. He said Hornets seems to have no fan or what… always so less fans show up for RT & comments. Most of them are Lin’s fans….LOL!

  • Lin Win

    That’s very true. Hornets which are Bobcats are the 2nd worst team in the NBA before MJ took over. They were pretty much the 76ers in this season.

  • Lin Win

    They get all barricaded up as if we are hijacking their site when in reality there’s only 3 Lin fan posters vs 20+ of them. I just got banned for just stating facts and stats.

  • Lin Win

    I know but I’m willing to fight for my blunt opinion instead being afraid of being banned.

  • CJSHYY

    They always quiet when they lose … no discuss or talk ….what so ever…. just no news….

  • Lin Win

    Look at their facebook page. All the top comments are Lin fans posting Lin highlights or photos of Lin. They get sensitive and mad because their other star players don’t have fans that have the same loyalty as Lin fans do.

  • guest in the house

    well, for all we know, there’s actually one old unemployed woman doing the 20+ posters’ full time job there…lol

  • Rzo Vlade

    who is chao

  • Lin Win

    He means Cho?

  • guest

    the sneaky undercover knows it all spy…lol

  • Rzo Vlade

    I dont care if they banned them….hornets are trash team they are trash from the very beggining

  • Yascar

    Nobody believes it is unicorns and rainbows. No one. I don’t know where you get that idea.

    But some of us believe Lin can handle this situation and that until a certain point later in the season there is not much more he can do than play his guts out. He can’t be traded yet and probably won’t be when he can.

    We all have different opinions but we all have faith in Lin. That’s reality and not ignorance.

  • CJSHYY

    Haha! Ya! Like last night Lin’s that crossover vs LBJ….. he didn’t make the shot but articles (national) all talk about it. I didn’t see that w Kemba got highest pts for team game after game.

  • Lin Win

    I know what you mean. I lost that faith after the same repetition of 3 seasons. I just hope Lin speaks up and not get treated like a doormat again. I don’t think teams will have much interest in Lin as a starter if this stint goes south again.

  • adele

    Sometimes the fun of blogging will diminish once you start being afraid. You’re right. Thanks. You’re one of the smart bloggers that I respect and follow.

  • CJSHYY

    They got banned bc they had fight w the writer nothing to do w Chao.

  • adele

    There are people here also who implied on things. Is it wrong to compliment a felow blogger?

  • Lin Win

    NBA is a business. There’s no just because you’re the same race as me, I’ll look after you. Lots of players have been back stabbed. Big shot bob got back stabbed after shooting a game winning shot which won the Lakers a championship. They didn’t trade him the first day or the trade deadline but traded him the next day.

  • CJSHYY

    This is more clear view for Lin’s crossover vs LBJ….

    https://twitter.com/Bballforeverfb/status/670408686280441856

  • Lin Win

    I got banned for stating this : Cavs guards totaled 24 pts tonight. Only 2 of those came when Jeremy Lin was on the court. 22 were scored with him on the bench. #justsaying

    If it was a statement about Walker I bet I won’t get banned.

  • Yascar

    I don’t either. In that we agree.

    Don’t lose faith because that’s all we have.

    Lin has his talent and his faith. And he needs to take accountability for his future. Let’s see what happens.

  • CJSHYY

    Really? Wow! They just hate Lin’s fans now…. never mind. That blog is really not that big deal. smh!

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Thanks. We need people like Nathan Gottlieb coming out to support Lin and Lin fans because he can’t be banned easily.

  • Lin Win

    Yeah I don’t really care about being banned. We started facts and all they said was we played good D in the 4th Lol

  • Yascar

    No but when you label other fans at the expense of your own opinion then sometimes you will be called out for it.

    I thought we’d agreed to move on and ignore each other?

  • CJSHYY

    They have to say something to protect Kemba. Bc he’s their #1 guy in the team now. Just like Rox, when they lose the game, they never said bad word about Harden. Whatever you show the chart or # don’t matter…. bc they will say what they want fans to know only.

  • Chopz

    Bam! Hit it right on the nail. I like your spider sense spiderman, or is that peter parker? take off that mask.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    At this moment, Clifford is preparing the whole team including Lin for the big time. Lin is learning not to make serious mistakes like turnovers on the court. Clifford is teaching that. It is fine if Clifford only allows Lin to play if he doesn’t make too many fouls or turnovers.

    Lin will decide if he wants to come back to Charlotte. At least the Hornets has got their money’s worth from Lin. Lin will strive to play better and should then be awarded with more minutes. I believe Lin will play better. If Lin is not being awarded more minutes then, I think Lin should really consider leaving the team for another team that can better use him.

    As long as Lin continuously improve on offense and defense, he will get the attention he deserves. We, Lin fans, should try hard to make his effort and his improvements known. That’s the way we can support Jeremy Lin. Fans like Nathan Gottlieb set some good examples for us. He’s not perfect as nobody is but he sure is the Lin fan that I want to be; speaking out for Lin.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    Be strong and restore your confidence. We are all in this together. I feel for you but yet we still need to be positive. Let’s move on, man!
    We have made so many mistakes in life as we are not perfect. Only God is perfect. Let’s come back and root for Jeremy Lin and help him as much as we can. We are a team.

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  • CJSHYY

    You know Pete Guelli, EVP, Chief Sales & Marketing Officer Charlotte only followed 5 people. Nathan is one of them. So whatever he said… Pete got it.

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