Defenseless Hornets Lost Again; Glimpses of Linsanity

The Hornets defense was exposed again as they lost to 92-105 to Milwaukee Bucks.

  • Defense was a problem again since no one is stopping the Bucks from attacking the rim.
  • Fatigue might be a factor as they played a back-to-back game.
  • Glimpses of Linsanity was seen in the beginning of 4th quarter as he played as the PG to lead 7-0 run with scoring 4pts on 2 drives plus a drive & kickout to Kemba on the perimeter who passed to Frank on a wide-open 3pt shot. The Bucks lead was cut to 6 pts (78-84)
  • But 6’8″” Khris Middleton was hot shooting scoring on 6’3″JLin who gave up a lot in height. He scored 4pts to extend the lead back to 10pts (88-78)
  • Coach Clifford replaced Lin with Batum to help defend Middleton but the strategy backfired since they still can’t stop Middleton and lost the offensive momentum without Lin. The Bucks made 14-3 run to extend the lead to 22pts (102-81) with 3:49 left before Clifford sat the starters
  • They should have replaced Kemba with Batum so Lin can guard 6’6″ MCW and Batum can guard Middleton but Clifford can’t bench Kemba as the established starter in the middle of pursuit of All-Star votes. It’s bad coaching although politically might be correct.

The Hornets are in danger of giving up on the season as the big men are unable to play good defense. On the positive for JLin, he was able to show offensive momentum with drive and penetration despite the bad ankle IF he is trusted as the PG.

MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 41 vs UTA
  • blubell

    1st 🙂

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    2nd:-)

  • BobbyH

    1st old man.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    At least my first on game thread wasn’t a bad outcome of JLin playing with his bad ankle:-)

  • Uh-Oh

    How old?

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOLOL Cranky old man?????

  • BobbyH

    Old enough to call old man.

  • BobbyH

    Not that old. But cranky maybe.

  • blubell

    Haha. Mean Melody 😛

  • occupatio

    under cliff’s arrangement, putting in roberts is almost like taking lin out of the game. its amazing how good cliff is at sabotaging his own team.

  • blubell

    Fast for an old man lol

  • MoominFloren

    Haha I’m the 3rd lady 🙂

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    hehehehe I’m a cool cucumber today despite of the loss:-) Guess I’ve given up on Hornets/Cliff that helps me to stay calm:-)

  • BobbyH

    As I said before, NY Disqus server is fast over the weekend. If it is on a weekday, it would take forever for the server to relay my comments. (JK)

  • blubell
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    hehehehe I call myself a middle age lady:-)

  • blubell

    Putting in Roberts is like waiving the white flag…

  • David Kim

    Whether Hornets win or lose, too boring to watch….
    i rather watch lin in sixers than lin in hornets even though sixers can not go to playoff this year.
    Lin will still be bench player next year with MKG comes back unless they trade Kemba.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zzf7z36

    Trade Lin for Ish Smith?..

  • BobbyH

    I had a feeling that soon Lin’s shooting will pick it up. Especially after his ankle is healed completely. I can see that he was using these games to practice his 3s.

  • John Focker

    “Like” was unnecessary…

  • blubell

    Yes it was the NY disqus server and not me holding your comments in moderation. Muhahaha. jkjk 🙂

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    When I returned from church and saw Roberts played as pg, I knew immediately Hornets wouldn’t make it. I only wanted to see JLin got a good stat. Glad to see a mini Linsanity in late 3rd qtr and early 4th qtr. Soon after JLin subbed out I cared less about watching the gam.

  • blubell

    Yeah, I thought I deleted it lol.

  • CJSHYY
  • BobbyH

    Conspiracy exposed !!!

  • occupatio

    theres not a single player on this team that i look forward to watching. its sad, really.

    nowadays, i find myself just havingg the game on but just listening to the announcers and doing work or other things when lin is out of the game. theres also the fact that i cannot stand kemba as a player. he is nothing more than a source of annoyance for me.

  • blubell

    I’ve said too much… deleting posts… lol

  • blubell
  • grover chang

    Linsanity seems like a distant dream. Did it really happen? When does the light at the end of the tunnel come on this trip?

  • CJSHYY

    On the day he retired you will know… LOL!

  • blubell

    Hornets games have little to no entertainment value to me when Jeremy is not playing. This team is boring on and off the court.

  • blubell
  • JLin Fan from Australia

    I know. Same here. I basically did my own thing unless JLin was playing. Having said that I was also very selective in watching. I would watch for few possessions to get the feel of JLin game, then I was back to do other things but just let the streaming continue.

  • occupatio

    and i thought i was the only one.

  • JLin Fan from Australia

    LOLOLOL Nop. You ARE NOT!!!!!!!! hehehehehe

  • blubell
  • occupatio

    well, i listen to the announcers. they sound genuinely excited. im like, what?
    this is boring basketball and stupid chucking and sad defense. and stupid coach. how can i get into this?

  • tom

    This is as light as it gets lol
    Lin is averaging in double digits every season for the past 5 years mostly coming off the bench
    Thats Linsanity lol a pretty good asian baller
    It’s actually pretty amazing white kids who couldnt make it because of racial prejudice admire Lin
    cuz they experienced the same thing

  • blubell

    I miss I miss the alley oops, Boozer’s catchphrases and NY complaining about Kobe… there I said it. lol.

  • LinLinLin

    Conveniently blaming the server. G8 job. 😉

  • tom

    I root for the other team when Lin is out
    Strict business here

  • occupatio

    hah good times. i forgot how enjoyable that was. i felt emotionally connected to many of those players too.

  • occupatio

    lmao

  • LinLinLin

    Good for us! Be the 1st lady then Lin will have good games and stats.

  • occupatio

    nathan is very dedicated. im sure he watches the games more closely than i do these days.

  • blubell

    It’s their job to sound excited. I feel bad for them…

  • LinMad

    Every time Lin doesn’t get a call, go on Twitter and tag NBA and call them racist.

  • blubell

    Jeremy controlling the ball with his hair, I think lol.
    https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/688560857081491456

  • zxcvb

    How about a coaching change, Cliff? I hear MDA wants to coach again…
    https://twitter.com/JTyree704/status/688550397078667264

    The only changes that would matter are Lin replacing Kemba as starting PG and trading for a quality center like Ed Davis. And that’s not going to happen. Nothing he does is going to make a difference.

  • blubell

  • BobbyH

    That would make Hornets an instant threat. But only Lin Fans see it.

  • tom

    Hes far from a quality centre
    still better than hornets bigs though

  • Briiick

    Yeah, let’s vote him in then.

  • Rick Johnson

    He’ll probably just take PJ out of the starting lineup but nothing will change as long as Kemba is the PG. Even if JLin starts it will be better but still won’t be as good as JLin PG and Kemba either playing SG or coming off the Bench as 6th man.

  • tom

    I doubt he will start Lin
    he was complaining today how Middleton was killing them with his height

  • blubell
  • KHuang

    Clifford will probably:

    1) increase Walker’s and Batum’s minutes

    2) make Hairston the SG and Batum the SF

    3) try some small lineups like Walker Lin Hairston Batum Kaminsky

    4) decrease Lamb’s minutes

  • LinMad

    i want him to make it sharper

  • Lin’s Mohawk vs Bayless ..
    Bayless lost LOL

  • KHuang

    My two favorite guards!

  • KHuang

    I hope Clifford doesn’t start Lin.

    The less time Lin spends with Walker and Batum, the better.

  • plus more sticky gooey

  • KHuang

    Ed Davis will get KILLED on this Hornets team.

    Too short, too small, not enough skills.

  • CJSHYY

    If so then why Cliff didn’t ask Batum to guard Middleton earlier?

  • Yes to Ed Davis

    Not sure if Portland will give him up, though

  • Do you think Clifford will ever give Hansbrough regular rotation?

    He’s the only physical big man they got and he didn’t use him. It’s mind-boggling

  • tom

    Yup Lins role will only get smaller cuz clifford is a ball-less incompetent clown

  • LinMad

    A good big will make the PG’s job easier. Someone like Ed Davis knew how to set screens, get rebounds and also knew where to be. He isn’t that tall but he was smart and strong. He knew where to position himself when Lin was penetrating.

    On this team, Zeller, Frank, Hawes do not know where to be for PnRs making it harder for the guard to pass the ball to them at the right spot where they can convert easily. This is why the bigs always get blocked while going up or miss their layup even when they’re opened.

    I’d take a shorter Ed Davis over any of these bigs.

  • KHuang

    On this Charlotte team, Ed Davis would be battered to death under the boards and could not run 2 man action with Lin because Lin doesn’t get to playmake enough.

  • KHuang

    Probably not.

    Hansbrough playing would improve Lin’s game too much for Walker and Batum to stomach.

  • LinMad

    true. But if Cliff saw Lin and Ed together connecting well, I think he might play them together more unlike Byron Scott.

  • Briiick

    Cliff doesn’t even give psycho-T a chance.

  • KHuang

    No, I think Clifford would keep them apart because Walker and Batum are already pissed that Lin’s doing so well.

  • cdblue10

    it’s sad but i have to wait until next year again

  • Briiick

    That’s what I have been thinking and why psycho-T can’t have a chance to do some PnR with Lin.

  • KHuang

    “Next year” is only a few months away!

  • DX

    After last games, I totally believe Mohawk is KEY of Linsanity 2016.

  • cdblue10

    technically it is but for a fan that’s waiting for the time that he will be a Pg again is like an eternity

  • Briiick

    I guess they could trade Lin and justify KW and Batum’s stat pading with tanking.

  • zxcvb

    I’m not saying he’s ideal, but he’s the best they can get with their limited assets. And he can actually dunk a damn basketball.

  • Briiick

    Exactly !

  • JustSayNo2HardensIso

    After listening to Cliff’s postgame interview, I am not optimistic about Lin and his playing time. Here is why.

    Coach Cliff mentions Lin can compete with the starters when opposing teams have a small line up and Coach implies that Lin had trouble with a larger line up like today. The coach then goes on to say that he doesn’t want a diff lineup for diff situations which tells me that he wants a SG with size who can play in small lineup and big lineup. He says this can be solved when people come back, probably meaning when MKG returns.

    Cliff then starts talking about the stretch when the 2nd unit couldn’t guard their own players and the opposing players just went off and scored at will. Again, to me it seems like he was talking about Lin. And then again, coach mentions that this will stop when people start coming back from injury.

    I agree with coach that the team does have problem with size. Jeremy’s defense has been great today. Even today, he was playing great defense. What coach should have done at end of game was take Kemba out and play Jeremy at PG. Once he took Jeremy out, the offense really became stagnant.

  • tom

    So Lin wont get less mins
    Thats all I need to hear lol

  • zxcvb

    i think they would. He’s not getting much run in Portland…both Lilliard and McCollum are about getting their own shot in the PnR. Davis is mostly wasted on that team.

  • Briiick

    I speculate that Mohawk signals a slightly bigger role assigned to Lin in offense.

  • Clifford is so maddening. He knows Hawes/Frank are not physical enough and got abused but he didn’t even try to use Hansbrough to even win games

  • CJSHYY

    I think Lin should not guard SG in the first place… I guess what he means maybe Lamb & MKG both… But today after Lin off the game, they got even worst w Batum guarded Middleton.

  • KHuang

    Even if Lin plays less, Lin will still GET HIS.

  • TTNN

    yeah, I was wondering what kind of line up changes that could be, coach was talking about Lin even though he could fight against starters, but there is size limitation, and he also talked about Kaminsky who is not strong enough to fight against starters, even though he is playing better. Then out of those two, I really could not think what kind of changes there is that could help defense.

    So the only thing I could think about, is that MKG comes back earlier……

  • KHuang

    Because Batum was PLAYING SCARED.

  • zxcvb

    Then they’d better trade Lin and get a big wing to help them lose even more.

    Lin to Philly or Brooklyn is fine with me. Good low risk, high reward move for those teams. Lin for one of Philly’s gazillion 2nd rd picks. Or Lin for Brooklyn’s Bogdanovic, whom CHA is interested in.

  • LinMad

    Did the defense get better when Lin was replaced by someone taller? No. It’s not always about height. Lin pressured Middleton. The bigs defending Middleton and some other players on Bucks looked lost and confused most the time. They killed us in the interior. That was the biggest issue.

  • KHuang

    If Clifford thinks MKG is going to provide stellar defense, Clifford’s in for the schooling of a lifetime.

    MKG puts up even less of a defensive fight than PJ Hairston does.

  • Barry Allen

    but they know if they trade Lin their whole second unit will crumble along with their first unit. Lin was brought in to shore up the undersized Kemba and bring a scoring spark. Hornet will disintegrate if Lin get traded out.

  • KHuang

    Lin and Hansbrough for Bogdanovic.

    That would make Walker and Batum happy because NO MORE BRUISES in practices!

  • CJSHYY

    MKG will be back in Feb.

  • TTNN

    Just listen to the pre-game interview, one reporter asked him that ATL Hawks has been aggressively double team or tripple teamed Middleton, and ask him whether that would be the strategy. Coach said yeah, if he is bring the player into the paint, and using his size, that might be the way we have to go.

    However, that’s exactly how it happened int he game, and I don’t think coach ever double team him, and he only tried to take Lin out and replace with Batum, which still does not work.

  • Barry Allen

    That’s on Batum then. At least there is not height discrepancies there.

  • KHuang

    Right now, Lin outplaying Walker is sinking the Hornets.

    The more Walker tries to outproduce Lin, the worse Walker plays.

    Removing Lin would make Walker much happier.

  • TTNN

    This team need better defense at starting 1 and starting 5, I don’t see MKG helps. But I don’t know about coach Clifford, since if he is not thinking about starting Lin or starting Kaminsky, what else he could change for the line up? I don’t think he will bench Kemba ever.

  • KHuang

    Clifford won’t dare criticize Batum.

    Clifford is trying to make sure Batum signs on next season.

  • CJSHYY

    I think Cliff really should be the one who to be blamed for Middleton got hot… bc in 1st half. Bucks commentators already said Lin vs Middleton was mismatch bc the high… why Cliff insisted to ask Lin continue to guard him?! smh!

    That post game comments probably from MJ… Lin shouldn’t be the one who guarded SG in the first place. smh! He’s PG not SG.

  • Briiick

    Agreed. That is what I speculate about their “change”.

  • LinMad

    ya there wasn’t much double teaming today. I can only recall one.

  • KHuang

    Whatever changes Clifford makes, I’m not expecting them to work.

    His agenda is to prop up Walker, Batum, and MKG. Doesn’t matter if they suck.

  • tom

    Again, dont shoot the messenger

  • tom

    as usualy

  • KHuang

    Get Lin OUTTA Charlotte.

  • tom

    More effincency good!

  • Briiick

    By that time Hornets could be near the bottom in ranking.

  • TTNN

    I don’t know, I feel that the whole team are not playing hard for the coach. It is really hard for the coach trying to preach for team ball, but then give Kemba green light to chuck without defense. Not sure how that could continue to motivate the players on the team to play defense.

    This team could play pretty good defense, just that they don’t bring it everyday. I think that frustrate the coach the most, and also shown the coach’s limitation the most, he can not get his player to play hard for him. That’s a bad sign.

  • KHuang

    If this were any other player than Lin, NOBODY would be making a big deal about Middleton scoring over a hobbled Lin on post ups.

    That’s because Lin’s such a great defender when healthy, the sight of guys scoring on Lin is jarring.

  • blubell
  • KHuang

    MKG coming back with his slow unathletic brickhanded clueless game WILL sink the Hornets.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    This is a beginning of Clifford to become like McHale and BS. He’s not there yet but few more loses, he will soon be one.

  • tom

    Hope Lin is gone by then

  • LinMad

    who is he talking about?

  • TTNN

    yeah, that’s totally on the coach. Even the reporter noticed and even for a good ATL team need to double even triple team Meddleton, and Lin was doing everything any player could have done, and coach still do not want to double team to shut him down. What you can do? Basically just watch them to get killed.

  • CJSHYY

    He’s one now just like Mc bc w all these lose games.. he needs someone to take the blame…

  • TTNN

    Steve Novak….. but not sure what his was talking about, maybe football game? Novak is Green Bay Packers fan.

  • CJSHYY

    Totally agree. I saw him practice few days ago… he didn’t look good to me yet.

  • Rick Johnson
  • Briiick

    I even know when the coach lost his team. It was at the beginning of the losing streak when Hornets thought they were supposed to lose to these strong teams anyway, why not let KW take 20+ shots per game to increase his All Star counts.

  • Alain Gervais

    aron rodgers

  • CJSHYY

    Even after Lin was off the court… Batum still couldn’t stop him either. They have the same high… It’s not matter to me now… just want Lin to get good stats & health. He will not stay w this team next season.

  • TTNN

    it basically started when the coach got his extention, and then he start to play Kemba and Batum extended min, which is totally not necessary. At that time, the bench unit was really good, and there is no drop off from starter to bench. But coach start to play Kemba 38-40 min consistently. I think then Kemba’s defense start to slide, and the whole team’s defense start to slide.

  • Rick Johnson

    I like this one better than his first one. Still too expensive though.

    https://twitter.com/ForbesTech/status/688563897062821892

  • Alain Gervais

    For those worried aboutt mag return. The lineup with meg and datum at the three won’t work much. They wouldn’t go anywhere offensively. Lin would have to get in there to add offense. MKg would probably make use worse offensively by a lot. He can shoot to save his life. Marvin is a better option for use as an offense. Mkg returning would hurt marvin and Hairston the most. It would increase the need for Lins offense. He would likely clogged the middle for Lin though

  • CJSHYY

    I don’t think MKG is the saver either bc if he’s that good then why Hornets was not good last season? Plus after big injury, player normally do bad for a while… I saw MKG practice few days ago… he didn’t look good to me yet… Will see how he can save this team then.

    Right now Cliff just has no idea what to do so MKG becomes his saver in the wishing list…. smh!

  • TTNN

    http://i.imgur.com/T20mZEt.gif

    I did not realized that Lin jumped that far to had that finger roll, really nice.

  • Ben Johnson

    oh damn, I need to get that

  • Whitman Lam

    I like it too. I wish the dragon head was done a little better though. I might trade in my Swiss Army watch for this one.

  • Whitman Lam

    Yeah, Novak is from Wisconsin. But so is Frank Kaminsky no?

  • Announcer raved about it, “Gorgeous!”

    Whatever Lin with high level of difficulty around the rim just went it. Crazy good!

  • Aaron Rodgers of Green Bay Packers threw a Hail Mary 51 yrd pass in a great playoff game vs Arizona Cardinals.
    Cardinals pulled off the win in OT with equally great plays

    https://twitter.com/JusticeWillett/status/688581409452224512

  • NONONO

    @psalm234 “Clifford can’t bench Kemba as the established starter in the middle of pursuit of All-Star votes”. This has to be the only “logical” explanation, otherwise MJ would fire him right now.

  • Acbc

    Yep, the timing was too conspicuous. Cliffod was bought by Cho to promote his guys, that’s the bottom line.

  • Yup, it’s politics.

    It’s not good when the headline says, “Hornets benched Kemba due to bad matchup with taller players but pulled off the win with a little Linsanity at the helm”

    That $12M/yr investment will go down in value quickly

  • NONONO

    Cliff talked like B.S. and BS today. He just wants Lin to play defense for Batum and Kemba. It was big mismatch today and Lin’s ankle was still hurt. If just for only one mismatch, he would take out all credits Lin has done so far on the defense, then I do not see Lin has a reason to stay in Hornets.

  • Hope

    Lin plays great. 15pts. 3 stls in 21 min.

  • NONONO

    Poor Lin. Bucks cannot stop him, but Clifford can,

  • Acbc

    There were a couple of mismatches tonight between Lin and Middleton and it wasn’t just his size. The real mismatch was that Lin had only one good ankle. Sure the 3 inches in height he gave up to Middleton didn’t help, but it was the mostly the 3 inch deficit between Clifford’s ears that was the main determining factor.

  • Briiick

    Cliff had to because Lin had outsined KW and Batum even with 22 mins PT.

  • Briiick

    I thought it was just an excuse because KW and Batum padded poorly in this game and Cliff started to fear.

  • CJSHYY

    I thought Lin was playing well that the lead got smaller… so Cliff started to let Kemba & Batum to run the show hope it will turn around… but it turned out to be even worst … even Batum couldn’t guard Middleton either…

  • Whitman Lam

    Middleton isn’t just tall, he can jump very high and his jumpshot release is high.

  • Acbc

    It’s pretty sad that reporters were already asking if Cliffrod was going to double or triple team Middleton before the game and Cliffrod never made any adjustments to force the ball out of the hot hand.

  • CJSHYY

    So they knew before the game that Middleton will be the trouble for the team… why Cliff didn’t make any adjustment after 1st half? smh!

  • Briiick

    That’s right, Cliff was bothered by other things, the stats of KW and Batum.

  • james brown

    that exactly is the psychology of KW….he seems always looking at his back when jeremy is around..so no Jeremy, Kw becomes stable.

  • heart

    Does he know what to do and/or how to adjust? Either he’s clueless or incompetent, you choose.

  • CJSHYY

    Both.

  • Briiick

    Even if Cliff is fully empowered, he is not very good in offense. He has no choice but to accept his fate as a “yes” man.

  • CJSHYY

    I think this lineup change has nothing to do w Lin bc he will stay w 2nd unit as PG. As for Frank, not sure what’s their plan…More concern Lin can close the game or not…

  • Let’s hope so.
    But on 2nd thought, maybe it’s better to have Ed Davis come to JLin’ future team in the MDA system, that way the PnR would be fully utilized :]

  • Rick Johnson

    Didn’t realize Novak was with OKC now.

  • fatbob

    middleton is around 6’7, which makes him 4 inches taller than lin. A pretty big difference in height in my opinion. Yes khris middleton was shooting out of his mind, but if lin were a few inches taller I don’t think middleton would have gotten so many buckets on him. Lins D was overall pretty decent, his size was not enough. Batum failed to stop middleton because his D just sux. To stop middleton, you need a player with Batuums height and Lins D. The player on the hornets who is closest to that is psycho T. Unfortunately, Cliff doesn’t play him unless its garbage time.

  • CJSHYY

    Ya! Middleton is 6’8 & Lin is 6’3. It’s mismatch for sure. Batum didn’t do good job either bc he couldn’t stop Middleton either.

  • fatbob

    no, middleton is a little taller than 6’7, hes not 6’8. Batum is a terrible defender, its not his game.

  • blubell

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Plus his long arms he’s like 6’9.

  • LinJa

    Stable in iso and losing lol

  • LinJa

    Lamb is missing, he would be guarding Middleton in some plays and also against bench. Lin did well given his natural disadvantage, he can’t be blamed for injuries and guarding players that is out of his position

  • LinJa

    Lin is beginning to becoming noticeably better that Kemba. Most analyst have begun to recognize this. It’s making hornets look bad. Most analysts has stated Lin will not be with hornets next year. Which is more reason for hornets to not promote Lin. But Lin cannot be downplayed, he breaks every wall and barrier that is blocking him. Ankles, foul calls and minutes limitation, Lin cannot be stopped and still produces efficiently. This is linsanity!

  • spiderman

    Losing games doesn’t seem to be best way to earn all-star votes, but I guess it doesn’t matter.

  • DX

    LIN did make a right decision to hornets, but now wish LIN can find a better team and settle down.

  • spiderman

    Wow just inside the free throw line!

  • LAJane

    Not sure if it’s “couldn’t”, or “wouldn’t”. Doesn’t look like anyone else is willing to put their bodies on the line the way Lin does.

  • LAJane

    They’ve just done three athlete-designed Connected watches – Tom Brady, Giancarlo Stanton, and Lin. Forbes magazine profiled them. The other two are pretty dull – Lin’s design blows them out of the water imho. I do like the dragon, and Lin’s logo above. Chinese speakers…what are the characters under the dragon?

  • bolero
  • LAJane

    “And Bayliss got a mouthful of product.” 🙂

  • Brewkowski

    ~2:15 Lin wasn’t happy about the lack of defensive support by Batum and let him know about it.

  • LAJane

    LOL. sigh

  • Spot

    Kemba’s always played like that and Clifford’s game is this.

    But Jeremy will rise like a phoenix from all these ashes

  • John Focker

    The character (singular) is “Lin”.

  • John Focker

    So…right after playing the Lakers then.

  • John Focker

    He did bench Kemba for an entire 4th quarter vs. Knicks (minus last 28 sec or so). But then he probably got slapped around by the F/O. I suspect that the agenda comes from up above, and Clifford has little power to oppose it.

  • KL

    One thing we have not seen this season is Lin playing as PG with starter minutes. With Houston, we had a couple of games with Harden injured. We had a few games with the Lakers before Scott put an end to it. I think statistically, there is no doubt that when Lin has starter minutes as the PG, he will average about 20 points and 6 assists or something like that.

    I am not wishing any injury on Kemba of course. But despite the lack of such games this season, Lin’s per 36 numbers are still great.

    I am concerned about Lin’s FG% and 3P% but he needs enough minutes and games with the ball in his hands to get into rhythm and to score with ridiculous efficiency to pull up his average percentages. However, I think over the season his average percentages will go up anyway.

  • sport

    Reason why Lin will not be with Hornets is because as the best player on the team (ever so obvious), he’s not the Main guy being featured nor getting his rightful starting role! If Hornets at least started Lin and made a real effort to have him stay then things would be different. Instead they only care whether Batum stays or not which is dumb since he doesn’t impact the game like Lin does. As we can see time and time again Batum+Walker with 40+ points still doesn’t = a win because of iso ball and lack of playmaking.

  • John Focker

    I’m thinking more long term, and wish Lin would take some rest to ensure that ankle heals completely and without repercussions.

  • KL

    Jeremy can heal up and still have a Linsanity explosion later on.

  • Joe what do you know

    Omg hideous….

  • KL

    In Kemba’s 5 seasons, this is only the second season that he is averaging above 40% FG%. This is despite the stability of being on the same team and being supported as the main star.

    In Jeremy’s 6 seasons he has averaged above 40% FG% in 5 seasons. The only season he shot badly was his rookie season!

    I am also willing to bet that Kemba is shooting better because of the “Jeremy Lin effect”. Unfortunately nobody notices unless you follow Jeremy over the years.

    Oh well, at least we fans know the truth.

  • aras

    It is because Batum is giving him open looks after open looks thats why kemba is having a high percentage. he does not have to think about facilitating only scoring.

  • KL

    I agree that Batum is one of the factors in Kemba having a good shooting season.

  • LinJa

    Kemba can’t be SG, too small to defend. He would even have worse def rating.

  • Acbc

    Lol, he gets taller by every response! Add his shoes and hair and he’s 6’10.

  • KHuang

    Even worse than the defense, Walker does not how to run 2 guard off the ball action in traditional halfcourt sets.

  • KHuang

    Middleton is 6’9″ when scoring over Lin and 6’10” when scoring over Batum.

  • sws94

    Absolutely not. Lin is a top 4 player on this team and will play the minutes. Cliff trusted Lin to put on the hottest team member but didn’t adjust because of the size difference. That was the only problem. Middleton hit tough, contested shots on Lin and contested or barely contested shots on anyone else guarding him.

    Yes, the 2nd unit couldn’t guard players but why do you think he was talking about Lin? He’s said over and over and over again that Lin’s defense is excellent and tough. The Bucks just happen to be an abnormally tall team. Most teams aren’t like that. Lin’s minutes aren’t in jeopardy as he’s seen as the strongest defensive guard on this team and in most, not all most, games part of the closing squad. When MKG comes back, I don’t know if Lin closes or Marv goes out of the closing unit, but nothing Cliff says has indicated he won’t until then.

  • sws94

    Lamb is a poor defender. Cliff may have switched Lin onto Middleton due to Lamb’s poor defensive play. Lamb is never the defensive answer. Lamb would have helped with scoring and rebounds, not so much defense.

  • sws94

    Clifford knows exactly what to expect from MKG. He’s coached him before. We’ll see. I’ve seen highlights of MKG but we’ll see. Sometimes you play great defense and guys still score on you. I wish Lin was credited for great defense on Middleton because that’s what he played. Middleton played great offense and realized Lin couldn’t quite get to his shot. Credit Middleton. He’s gone off on other players taller than Lin.

  • CJSHYY

    I know ….

  • KHuang

    Batum will share the ball with Walker but no one else.

    I’m not impressed.

  • sws94

    He assisted Lin a number of times in last night’s game. And it isn’t Walker he looks to pass to, it’s been Cody. And to a fault last night, he forced a lot of balls to Cody. He forced a lot of balls to Hawes. He did better with Frank. If you mean in terms of facilitating, when in with Lin, Lin facilitated with Batum. They shared that. You’re given Batum a bad rap. Because I see Batum as more a team payer than most on this team. He’s flawed, but he moves the ball.

  • KHuang

    Lin needs to stay away from “bailout 3s”.

    Those are 3s thrown to him off a broken play or when Lin decides to shoot a 3 off the dribble before defenses are set.

    Lin should consider Curry and Thompson, both of whom shoot 3s strictly off set plays designed to get them good 3 pt shots. Golden State uses people like Barnes and Green to shoot the bailout shots Lin is shooting.

  • sws94

    Cliff like Lin better as off-ball facilitator. If he’s PG, he’d still rather run the ball through Batum. Seems he accepts TOs more from Batum than any other facilitator. I think most coaches won’t play Lin as PG due to his style of playing PG and not totally trusting his handles.

  • KHuang

    Maybe Lin won’t be with the Hornets THIS year if Lin keeps outplaying Walker.

  • KHuang

    Great post as isual.

    I guess I’m talking more about Batum’s mentality which is to highlight himself and Walker at the expense of the team.

    I would prefer Batum to stay within the context of Clifford’s playcalling and let the offense generate opportunities instead of Batum breaking it to do his own thing.

  • sws94

    He’s not outplaying Walker. Walker is shooting way better. Not a little better, way better. And by shooting I mean jump shots. Walker finishes at the rim as well as Lin. Walker is playing his game, shooting PG better than Lin is playing his game, finishing at the rim facilitating PG. On the offensive end, there’s nothing to support Lin outplaying Walker.

    On the defensive end, Lin outplays Walker by far.

  • KHuang

    Agree.

    It’s an ERRONEOUS thinking by coaches, but when has any coach ever been right about Lin?

  • sws94

    On the NBA level, not many. But may take is similar to PFV’s on Lin’s game and hope Lin cleans it up. If he did, he could play PG for more coaches.

  • sws94

    If you have a coach giving that directive, that’s what they’ll do. The NBA loves stars. Charlotte doesn’t have any, so you have to put someone on the marquee. I’m surprised how much Lin is put on there but they do look to Kemba and Batum to lead the team. Lin leads the bench. It’s not quite right but it’s like the setup is to see Lin as almost part of the big 3 with one coming off of the bench. Almost. MKG is the mythical defensive star that will save the team. I rather doubt he’s that good overall though.

  • John Focker

    There was a stretch of about four-five games early in the season in which Batum completely ignored Lin, but he’s been steadily improving since. He’s much better now, especially compared to Walker. I give Batum a lot of credit for that, for CHA is trying to woo him, but he’s got the decency of not letting it get to his head and play teamball to the best of his abilities.

  • John Focker

    Hornets’ team offense is irrefutably better with Lin than with Walker (when they’re not playing together). Walker is shooting better only because 1) the team is catering to him with plays and ballhandling, 2) he’s not playing defense so energy is conserved for shooting, and 3) he’s not sacrificing his body during defense (if anything he’s getting out of the way) so he’s healthy to shoot, unlike Lin who draws charges and gets knocked around all the time.

  • KHuang

    Agree on MKG.

    He doesn’t know how to play, plus he is not the great athlete the Hornets think he is.

  • KHuang

    When Lin is allowed to play PG, he wins like crazy and offends the superstars on his team.

  • KHuang

    Oh, the PHOENIX SUNS?

    If they could ditch both Bledsoe and Knight, that would be an ideal team for Lin.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Lin is the highest RAPM player because he has the most winning impact.

    Walker does not WIN like Lin.

  • John Focker

    Just curious, do you think the Suns would’ve been better if they kept Dragic with Knight instead of Bledsoe?

  • KHuang

    I don’t even know if full healing is truly possible for any NBA player who plays real defense like Lin does.

  • KHuang

    Absolutely yes.

    Dragic is not a passive player like Bledsoe or Knight.

    Dragic was a true vicious competitor who hated to lose, similar to Lin.

    When the Knight trade was made, I knew the Suns were DONE and posted about it. I have never been a fan of Brandon Knight because I don’t like soft guards like him and Bledsoe.

    What the Suns should have done is started Dragic at PG, Green at SG, and brought Eric Bledsoe off the bench. Instead they tried to play Dragic as a low usage Lin SG and that failed because Dragic doesn’t have Lin’s athleticism or SG experience.

  • sws94

    Lin misses a lot of jump shots. That’s objective. He’s not shooting them well. We can’t say that Lin is shooting better than Walker because it simply isn’t true. Some of Lin’s shots are wide open. He just misses them. He’s even missing “bunnies” at the rim in some games. So offensively, Lin is not outplaying Walker. It’s not true. Walker is shooting quite well in most games, scoring, and that’s his game.

    Lin is not racking up assists either. Although Walker plays with Batum mostly, he’s still getting them. So how is Lin outdoing Walker?

    And it is debatable if the team is better with Lin or Walker. But why are we debating this?

    I don’t understand this competition we’re building. They are team mates. Walker is very solid at ball handling. It’s ball handling and shooting/scoring that is the reason Walker starts and gets so many minutes. Not defense. Lin still gets minutes on this team so why can’t we acknowledge that Walker is shooting pretty well. Walker has played better than I thought he’d play.

  • fatbob

    middleton is 2.01 meters, lin is 1.91 meters, a difference of 10 cm or approximately 4 inches

  • John Focker

    Career low percentage shooters don’t suddenly start shooting well…unless something suddenly improves. In Kemba’s case I believe it’s spacing created by teammates Batum and Lin. He’s got a couple of good shooting games, but many more bad ones too. The timing to criticize Lin’s jumper at this point in time is awkward, because Lin has a bad ankle that’s been affecting his shot since after the Lakers game. But he’s still putting his body out there on a bad wheel while Batum and Lamb are out due to sprained TOES. Granted he isn’t elite like Curry, but career-wise he’s better than Kemba (43.6% vs 40.0%), and that’s with Lin being marginalized (brutally last year) and back-stabbed while Kemba had the entire team cater to him.

    This site isn’t the Hornets locker room so I’m not concerned about damaging team harmony. Kemba after a few good nights stands at 43.1% this season, while Lin after a number of disastrous shooting nights stands at 42.3%. So is Kemba really shooting that much better than Lin?

    Let’s not even go on why Lin’s assist numbers are so low, we’ve all seen the Hornets’ bigs’ low-post games…or lack thereof.

  • TK Wong

    That was great for calling out his teammates for not getting back on D.

    JLin had just scored a layup and he was basically the only Hornet player who hustled back and showed urgency to defend the Bucks player who scored.

    I’m glad TV audio picked Jeremy expressing frustration at his team.

  • John Focker

    Clifford blaming Lin for not covering Middleton effectively:
    “What’s the use of the mohawk if you can’t apply it on D?!”

    Jerryd Bayless:
    “Coach Cliff, I beg to differ. Jeremy’s hair played great D tonight!”

  • KHuang

    The “Jeremy Lin” effect on making Walker a better scorer has already been statistically documented.

  • KHuang

    But Batum’s selfish refusal to run Clifford’s offense is a BIG REASON why the Hornets cannot win.

  • KHuang

    Pfft.

    This is the NBA where teammates COMPETE AGAINST EACH OTHER.

    Besides, this team SUCKS with your boy Walker running the show. They literally cannot win, even when Lin tries to save them.

    Walker gets better shots because Clifford caters to him at Lin’s expense. But that does not mean Lin would not BADLY OUTPLAY Walker, even when Lin’s being frozen out.

    The Hornets STINK when Walker tries to “lead” them. But the Hornets are TERRIFIC when Lin’s running the offense. Lin is by far the better player – better scorer too.

  • Just can’t keep laughing at this LOL

    @SBNation Jeremy Lin attacked Jerryd Bayless like a porcupine:

    https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/688568856097370112

  • KHuang

    Batum’s already let the Charlotte (and Toronto) wooing go to his head.

    He is a big reason why the Hornets cannot win.

  • sws94

    I think Kemba went in the gym and shot the ball like crazy and that helps him hit open shots. I think Batum and Lin, both, not one but both, help his game.

    I don’t agree that Lin this season has outplayed Kemba offensively, only defensively. Numbers don’t support that.

    In terms of team, both guys are important members of the team. That’s why I don’t put up a competition between them. In practice they compete but Lin went to the team to help Kemba, not take his place.

  • tom

    He needs to do what he did when he was on the POR
    a perfect glue guy and I know hes a good play maker and defender he can play more defense PJ aint cutting it

  • Whitman Lam

    Lin draws defenses away from Kemba, and creates an open lane much better than PJ Hairston. He also moves off the ball and sets screens better than the bigger Hairston. This helps to create holes in the defense that Kemba can exploit.

  • sws94

    Kemba gets points when Lin isn’t on the court. Someone else is creating shots for him as well. And that’s Batum. When both are on they help Kemba, when Lin is on he helps Kemba, when Batum is on with Kemba it’s he that is helping Kemba. The addition of both Batum and Lin helps Kemba and Kemba has said so.

  • sws94

    That’s one area where Batum has been underwhelming. His defense has slipped. I don’t know if he can play D and O both effectively in one game or know when to really turn on the D like the great players can. That’s why he isn’t one, one of the reasons why he isn’t a great player.

  • Hope

    Lin to 76ers already. Forget the beez.

  • donsmacau

    ****************JLIN now INJURED for 3 Weeks***********************

    Be crystal clear, JLIN has been PLAYING on a sprained ankle for 3wks and the Hornets/Clifford aware but derisively and maliciously couldn’t care because he’s just a hard working rental.

    When you show up on the Injury Report EVERY Game then you are HURT regardless if you a “Questionable Game Time Decision”, “Probable Likely Will Play” – you are STILL INJURED.

    Defense (or lack of) caused this losing streak and D is reason Clifford needs a hobbled JLIN on the floor because this team’s D is non-existent.

    What’s the Price?

    Potentially JLIN’s health, permanent ankle weakness and future career in the NBA. (sorry I just feel it’s critical)

  • donsmacau

    Overcompensation Leads More INJURIES

    Other risk for JLIN as with anyone is when you do NOT properly rehab an injury and continue to play…there is a tendency to overcompensate with the other limb, putting constant undue stress and potentially injuring the left leg.

    Happens all the time in sports.

  • donsmacau

    JLIN Flopping More

    Been watching his motion/actions closely and I’ve noticed (maybe some will disagree with me) JLIN on any contact especially if he was in the air he will make a concerted effort to go to the ground – Hard contact/soft contact he is going to the ground more than ever.

    You can say he’s just trying to draw a whistle but my observation is when he wants a whistle he usually has head action — now he is just falling.

    Why?

    To protect from extra compression from g-forces when landing on the ankle and a possible reroll – He HAS upped his FLOPPING because of the ankle.

  • Rick Johnson

    Alex KennedyVerified account‏@AlexKennedyNBA

    .@JLin7’s spikey hair is to create space & attack defenders when he puts his head down! #HarvardGenius

    https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/688780169688010752

  • Pica Sso

    Jeremy Lin Highlights vs Bucks [15Pts] – (2016 01 16) – Don’t touch the Hair !

  • tom

    You are very confusing
    At least say Lin HAS BEEN INJURED for 3 weeks
    This is very misleading and just as bad as spamming and trolling
    Flagged

  • donsmacau

    Moderator, there is troll who’s been banned numerous times creating accounts under the name of Colin128, BuzzCity, Mike, Basketball Mountain etc…. all of those accounts are Nathan Gottlieb accounts. He also used an account by the name of “tom” you may wish to look into it.

    I have the details of Nathan Gottlieb’s sock-puppetry trolling if any Mod is interested.

  • tom

    you got any proof?
    and mod please ban this troll feeding false/malicious information to upset Lin fans

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    That’s a flop.

  • donsmacau

    Mod, Nathan Gottlieb has created a number of sock-puppet accounts which you have encountered, likely this “tom” is one of them his sockpuppet aliases troll me in particular because I have thrown the mask off of his long-running game. Gottlieb fashions himself as a fiction writer in the PI mystery genre and creating characters.

    In real life he uses these account on JLIN fansites to troll, flame and agitate JLIN’s fans and as you are well aware you have banned many of his accounts. Ask me if you want specifics Mod.

  • DX

    From Cliff’s postgame speech, it seems he want to change the line up. He mentioned Frank can’t be a starter, also mentioned Lin can compete to small starter.

    http://www.nba.com/hornets/video/teams/hornets/2016/01/17/1453001002731-160116-postcoach.mov-234955

  • CJSHYY

    But someone said Cliff also mentioned that Lin can’t compete to taller SG… so they want someone can compete both small & taller SG?

  • DX

    Lin did score on taller SG as well. So taller SG can’t compete Lin. That’s a system problem.

  • Whitman Lam

    The opposite is true, Kemba struggles when Lin and Batum are not on the floor, or when Batum is looking to score rather than pass. Lin is also better at pushing the pace off a rebound or other team’s turnover, so that Kemba has better chances to score on the break. Batum likes to dribble the ball slowly up the court.

  • donsmacau

    The positive from Clifford’s “blame the team but not himself speech” is what you alluded to:

    Clifford unequivocally acknowledges that JLIN can absolutely play against STARTERS; that means he is specifically saying that JLIN is starter material and that there are not many in the NBA.

  • sws94

    I said Kemba benefits from both Batum or Lin, not just one. He plays more time with Batum than Lin.

  • sport

    Notice how Lin doesn’t get hit on the head anymore after using the mohawk! One cause it’s sharp and two cause of all that sticky icky gel! Too bad they still go after the nose. Lin might need to think of something else, nose guard maybe?

  • grover chang

    When Lin plays point guard ,things sometimes look out of control. This is what may bother coaches. But the opposing defense is not in control anymore either and Lin finds the holes, that’s what I think Lin last three coaches do not take into account.

  • grover chang

    “And it is debatable if the team is better with Lin or Walker. But why are we debating this?”

    We are debating with you because you are wrong. Lin is better for the team then walker.

  • xeroid

    Kemba makes his first shots as last night’s game and previous night’s. he was making 3/4 or 4/5, then he starts to miss, and his percentages went down to normal. with fresh legs he can be quite good, but if he spends energy on defense his shooting suffers.

  • sws94

    They are both necessary. Kemba has hit a lot of big clutch shots and played more clutch than Lin has this season. Lin’s great 4Qs have come in past seasons, he hasn’t had that many as a Hornet. How is Lin better for the team than Kemba. They almost have different roles. I think Lin will have a better post-ASB string of games as he’ll get a mental rest and have more fall into place after the all-star break.

  • grover chang

    Kemba is a shorter Melo. Lin is a taller Kidd. Who did the Knicks have more success with?

  • sws94

    I don’t think Kemba is a shorter Melo. He’s not like Melo. Kemba is a shooting PG like Irvin, Rose or Westbrook. He’s not as good as them but he’s that style. Lin is not as good as Kidd was. Knicks have nothing to do with the fact that Kemba has played better 4th quarters and has shot the ball better from the field than Lin has.

  • LinMad

    maybe he’s hinting that Lin will get to start against certain teams

  • LinMad

    problem is Batum TO the ball from lazy passes. Lin turn over the ball from being pressured/drawing 2-3 guys on him or running an aggressive play.

  • Acbc

    The Lin effect is so subtle that most people won’t notice it until he’s gone. Americans by nature want simplified answers and solutions. We tend to work linear logic. This is why we have the 3 strike rule in the justice system and the get tough on crime logic. But as we’ve learned that simplicity comes with a price. Right now in

  • JoeTeam

    runny nose ha ha sorry …

  • KHuang

    Hey, don’t be so tough on donmacau.

    He’s not trolling anyone here.

    Lin indeed has not been fully healthy the last month or so. No big deal.

  • KHuang

    You and Tom, RELAX.

    There’s no fight here.

    Both of you are real Lin fans. There’s no aliasing – plus I wouldn’t mind Nathan Gottlieb posting here!

    Save the rough stuff for the Lin haters.

  • KHuang

    Clifford doesn’t know what’s going on with the Hornets.

  • Joe what do you know

    This!?

  • aras

    HAHAHAH what the h*** is this man? am i watching an episode of Csi? or criminal minds you are writing like you have uncoverd a KGB spy or something….

  • aras

    For people thinking the hornets are forcing Lin to play on a bad ankle…give me a break..Lin knows his body better than everyone on this board. people seriously think he would be playing if it was critical? he is a competitor…people like that fight through minor injuries here and there and i have profound respect for Lin because of that.. he has been accused for being soft. this season shows that he is the opposite.

  • That’s correct that JLin was injured on 12/28 game vs the Lakers.
    So that’s 20-21 days (~ 3 weeks). Big credit to JLin for playing through injuries to give his best.
    Hopefully the injury will not linger. I believe JLin and his team know his body and how much he can push the envelope.

    After all, JLin team knows how much his health is valuable for the next contract.

  • KHuang

    Agree.

    Besides, didn’t Lin just have a pretty good game?

    Lin doesn’t have to be totally healthy to play well.

  • donsmacau

    Clifford asks JLIN to play because Hornets have nobody with consistent effort, brains and skill to good D.
    JLIN consummate team player because he has integrity regardless that the Organization surrounding him has NO integrity and care not about his future well-being as he is just a 1 year player.

    Fact is JLIN has been injured for 3 weeks and is on the INJURY REPORT for EVERY GAME – means he is HURT with a REAL INJURY enough to be on the list. This is not some sort of hang-nail or toe stub it is a SPRAINED ANKLE look it up. Sprains are often worse than BRoken bones and require longer recover time especially High Sprains which is likely what JLIN has.

    JLIN’s ethicality and trustworthiness and desire to please the coach overrides his pain sense that DOES NOT mean it is a smart or wise thing to do.

  • CT

    What I understand is, he might want to change, but he can’t change anything till Al and MKG come back.

  • KHuang

    I dunno.

    I trust Lin’s judgment, as does aras.

  • donsmacau

    Wrong. Shot is off, motion off, collapsing with any contact to protect ankle.

  • KHuang

    NO.

    Lin just had a pretty good game.

    As far as the bad 3 pt shooting goes, that’s been a problem even for Lin when he’s healthy because this Charlotte Hornets team doesn’t shoot 3 pointers off set plays or in the flow of the game.

  • donsmacau

    Pretty good game makes you think he is uninjured?

    Why not have a very good game with a healthy body that can not worry about pain so as to make 3s?

  • DX

    No…no…

    It will be interesting to see if the league will take action against Jeremy Lin and his hair. Maybe this will be the last time that we see the spikey mohawk because it has become a dangerous weapon and a hazard for other players on the court.

    Charlotte Hornets: Jeremy Lin’s Hair is Now a Weapon

    http://swarmandsting.com?p=39493

  • aras

    once again Lin knows his body better than anyone here The man is an professional athlete you dont think that he would know himself if he could play or not? if he could contribute or not? HE had 15 points last game and looked good i dont know what you are on about it was not like he was chucking 3 poiinters most of his points came from where? in the paint where the physicality is. yeah he has been on the injury report list as questionable. meaning he would probably feel it out himself during practice if he could play or not. Lin is not dumb man you think he is just going to sacrifice his body for the team? if so why does he have a contract that lets him opt out if he wants to?

  • aras

    once again its up to lin if he wants to play….nobody puts a gun to his head or a sniper on him when he is playing

  • KHuang

    NO AGAIN.

    This is the NBA where EVERYBODY plays through injury.

    Keep in mind that Lin isn’t taking PEDs like the rest of the league. He’s not going to bounce back from injuries like most NBA players tripped out on PEDs do.

    Lin is playing just fine, even with his nagging injuries.

  • donsmacau

    Let me ask you.

    If JLIN is so fine, why does he NOT DEMAND to remove his name from the INJURY REPORT???

    Take his name off the report if he is so fine.

    This is not a report that lists skinned knees and acne — IT lists REAL INJURIES and if you are on the LIST you are PLAYING INJURED.

  • let’s not make a serious accusation because it can slander people.

    People can easily make multiple accounts and we can’t prevent that but as long as they respect the site rules and be respectful to one another, that would be good. Otherwise, posts will be deleted and users will be banned after multiple violations. People can agree to disagree respectfully, that would be our recommendation

    If you have some concern, please email to jlinportal@gmail.com
    Our mods will definitely look into a serious concern

  • KHuang

    If Lin chose not to play, the Hornets would not question his desire or work ethic.

    Like donmacau has said, Lin has been questionable with injury for a long time. So if Lin sat, nobody on the Hornets would complain.

  • KHuang

    It is the first time I’ve ever seen any NBA player be THE RHINO from Marvel Comics!

  • donsmacau

    JLIN plays that does not mean it is smart.

    My hope is that enough of his fans and those close to him realize that he has been playing injured for 3 weeks and through this awareness talk to him about resting and healing.

    Even people like you who don’t care about JLIN’s health help the cause because you allow me to create awareness droning on with you.

  • KHuang

    The NBA injured list is for players that are too banged up to even compete.

    Lin is competing, so he’s not on the injured list.

    Besides, why fret about it? None of us are going to change Lin’s decisions anyway. We fans are NOBODIES when it comes to influencing Lin’s career.

  • aras

    hey you know what you should do????? next QA with lin ask him if he is playing injured!!!!!

  • donsmacau

    WHAT????????????
    Go read the INJURY REPORT his name is on it EVERY GAME!

  • KHuang

    Hrmph.

    Don’t accuse aras of “not caring about Lin’s health”. It is not true, and more importantly it doesn’t matter.

    Lin’s playing, he’s excelling, and he’s hurting. When Lin decides it hurts too much, he stops. We cannot influence that.

  • donsmacau

    Understand this:

    If your NAME is on the team INJURY REPORT that means you are PLAYING INJURED, otherwise your name is NOT on the list.

  • KHuang

    I didn’t say “injury report.”

    I said INJURED LIST, which is where inactive players go. And Lin is not currently on the injured list.

    Just because a player is not on the injured list doesn’t mean that he’s not injured.

  • KHuang

    But that’s not the same as the INJURED LIST which lists INACTIVE players.

  • aras

    i say this much when lin was limping during the pelican game…i shouted at the computer screen waking up my brother lol

  • donsmacau

    You can use semantics all you want KHuang.

    Bucks game INJURY LIST : JLIN listed as QUESTIONABLE INJURY (R Ankle Sprain) Game time decision.

  • donsmacau

    Readmy comment above.

  • aras

    i hope not that would be sad! i love it when he has a great game with that hair Super saiyan mode does not wotk with the slick back hair!!

  • KHuang

    Don’t complain at me or accuse me of using “semantics”.

    I’m only going by NBA lingo.

    Lin PLAYED because “questionable” does not mean “INACTIVE”.

    You got a problem with Lin playing? Take it up with Lin directly, not us Lin fans that have NO POWER to influence Lin.

  • KHuang

    Not me.

    Players limp in the NBA all the time.

    Some, like Paul Pierce, are even carried off in a stretcher but return later to the same game!

  • aras

    yeah i know i overreacted he came back and played some good defense after,

  • donsmacau

    That’s fine, at this point there are clues but cannot definitively conclude anything without IP traffic details and am relatively new to this fansite.

    My experience with posters such as Colin128 plus his aliases from other site have amply convince me.

    You own the site and I commend you on how vigorously you have controlled the bait-trolls;

    My views toward our favorite player so parallel the general concensus here that for a bit of variety I enjoy going to the other sites to see what type of nonsense the bait trolls are peddling at any given time out of sheer entertainment.

  • donsmacau

    Again you assist my cause of drawing attention to the issue to the people close to and who care for JLIN with debating intransigence.

    No need to get angry, of course he is not inactive – however the mere fact JLIN’s name or any name is on the list is that the PLAYER is INJURED and a decision whether or not to play that game is forthcoming.

  • donsmacau

    Kemba best PG/player? Kemba HITs big clutch Shots? Still hanging your hat on Kemba?

    Is Kemba really CLUTCH (this has nothing to do with JLIN) — most important stat :

    WINS attributable KW–perhaps ONE Lakers (2nd worst NBA team)
    LOSSES attributable KW–FOUR (PHX,GSW,TOR2,NYK) simplifed w/20+ FGAs below 39% (being generous many poor 17-19 shot gms easily adds another FOUR more games)

    Whether you deserve the moniker “CLUTCH PLAYER” is if in your hero role you can deliver a WIN – Kemba falls short, sorry.

    P.S. Another interesting stat: 3rd most BlockedAgainst Starting PG – Progression:isohero gets trapped, chucks anyways rather than pass, gets blocked.

  • Yascar

    This family and friends hair pact thing better be epic.

  • Is the game really at 14:00 ET tomorrow on a Monday?
    Perhaps it’s due to MLK Jr Holiday

  • Yascar

    Got the Hornets app and it’s showing 3 am for me which is 2 pm ET. So I think it is right. Won’t get to watch it though. I hope Jeremy has a good game.

  • yes, let’s hope JLin stays healthy and get his 15+pts/1ast game even the Hornets slack off on defense again

    This team really needs a serious wake-up call to play some D

  • Thank you.

    I understand we have a wide spectrum of JLin fans who likes him as a Linsanity, backup PG, combo guard, etc. As long as we can articulate different perspective respectfully, I think we can always focus on hoping for the best for JLin.

    When JLin plays at the right system at the right time, we can all celebrate rightfully =]

  • occupatio

    so basically kemba can compete against opponent’s small starters but lin cannot. makes sense. =)

  • Yascar

    Seriously! It would really be a huge disappointment if Jeremy doesn’t get to play in the playoffs.

  • Acbc

    This is from a very good article from earlier this year. I’ve chopped it up a bit to emphasize the main points about Clifford and Hornets biggest problems. With hindsight, we can now see how prophetic this article was. It was instrumental in changing my mind about this club a while ago when I said I will reserve judgement on Clifford. The more I saw their games, the more I realize that this article was spot on in their assessment of team.

    “Since that historic evening in Salt Lake City, the NBA has not only slowly moved away from Jordan, the superstar, but from his brand of isolationist midrange playmaking as well. And as we head into the 2015-16 season, the league has never been more concerned with efficiency. Today’s savviest players and coaches all shy away from the exact kinds of jumpers that the Jumpman made look so cool back in the 1990s.

    Now, thanks to the league’s data-rich player-tracking system — which has been standard in every pro gym since 2013 and captures the precise location of every player, ref, and the ball 24 times per second — we’re able to understand even more about shooting in the NBA.

    One takeaway from the data gathered from this tracking is that shots that immediately follow passes are much more likely to go through the hoop than their unassisted counterparts. The best kinds of shots result from teamwork, and the worst kinds are a result of selfishness. Last season, NBA players attempted just over 200,000 shots. Fifty-three percent of these shots qualify as assisted, while 47 percent qualify as unassisted.1 Overall, the league’s shooters converted 45 percent of their shots — the assisted tries went in 51 percent of the time, while the unassisted shots scored only 38 percent of the time.

    Move it or die. It might as well be the slogan for our current basketball era. Here, at the opening of the 2015-16 season, teams like San Antonio, Atlanta, and Golden State are doing the moving; teams like Kobe Bryant’s Lakers and Jordan’s Hornets are doing the dying.

    When shooters create shots on their own, especially midrange jumpers, they usually produce low-value attempts. This may not be news for people like Popovich, but the actual numbers we are starting to see are pretty striking.

    The most foolish shot in the NBA is the unassisted midrange shot, a.k.a. the “on-my-own midrange field goal,” a.k.a. the OMFG. You can see above that shooting efficiency and passing are intertwined; shot sequences that include a preceding pass event are much more fruitful than ones that do not. On the left, you see points per shot for unassisted attempts, and we see darkness corresponding to very low values; on the right, we see points per shot for assisted attempts, and we see the light.

    The Hornets had the unhealthiest shot diet in the league. More than one in four of Charlotte’s field goal attempts last season was an unassisted midranger. On average, these shots resulted in 0.64 points for the Hornets. They were very active in the midrange, and they were below average there too. And each time they took this kind of shot was one fewer time they were taking another, more valuable shot.

    The 2014-15 Hornets ranked last in effective field goal percentage and 3-point percentage and ranked 29th in overall field goal percentage. When you drill down on their individual players, you see how they arrived at the bottom of these team categories. Last season, 172 players (over a third of the league) attempted at least 500 shots. Of that massive group, three of the six least-effective shooters — Kemba Walker, Gary Neal, and Stephenson — played in Charlotte’s backcourt.3

    Now that could be dumb luck, or it could be coaching and team philosophy.

    While it’s tempting to simply label players like Walker “inefficient,” that’s kind of shallow. Just as shooters are better with assistance from teammates, they need some from their coaches too. Who is assisting the assisters? Who is styling the offense? Coaches have a huge place at this table, and if you’re looking for evidence, look no further than our new overlords in Oakland.

    We think of last season’s Warriors as one of the best shooting teams we’ve ever seen, but they were also among the best passing clubs since Jordan left the game. There’s that coincidence again.

    In a way, Jordan’s Hornets and Steve Kerr’s Warriors are extensions of their own playing careers. Kerr spent his career as a spot-up shooter. Almost every shot he took came after a teammate passed him the ball. Jordan spent his career as an offense unto himself. As players, they shared their primes together, winning rings in Chicago. Jordan helped Kerr reach the promised land for the first time. Now Kerr is there again, without him. Maybe it’s poetic, maybe it’s not, but that a team coached by Kerr is outperforming the one owned by Jordan has to say something about how this league is shifting.

    The iconography surrounding the Jordan legacy might suggest that unassisted jumpers line the stairway to basketball heaven, but the realities of the Popovich/Kerr era tell us they decorate the road to perdition. As we set out for a new season and a new set of 200,000 shots, the numbers leave little doubt that the glory days of the unassisted midrange shot are over. Hero ball is dead. It’s gone the way of the skyhook. You say you want a revolution? Well, it’s already been televised.”

  • BobbyH

    Good find. Only a handful of 30 NBA teams take note about this. Out of these teams, which will appreciate what Lin brings to the game? To me, it seems that MDA is the only coach that has the vision and view (thru first hand experiment). Maybe there are others. Let’s see how the coming season pans out.

  • Guest

    But there were some w word and rude accusations not addressed. After all MODs are only human. Judgment may not be sound at times.

  • Acbc

    I’m with you about MDA. Let’s hope they can finally finish what they started in NYC.

  • Epie

    I kinda miss watching Psycho T. Seems like he’s lost his mojo, but I’m sure he can still dunk and actually make the game little more interesting. Ah.. memories…

    https://youtu.be/HOYsQHjuxWM

  • blubell
  • tom

    false accusation
    You are spamming this forum now with your bs

  • wu kong

    JLin only plays 35% as a PG. IF they played him more at that position they would win….
    https://twitter.com/monkeyes2/status/688953671577645056

  • tom

    When I saw that, I thought Lin was gonna be out for 3 weeks
    and I had to check all the websites to confirm that trollish info
    It’s very misleading

  • tom

    Clifford is cluless

  • tom

    Lin is a true professional so he will play when he can and help the team win
    Nobody wants a player who would sit because they are not feeling 100%
    Those are NOT professionals

  • tom

    Not a chance
    Getting Lin to 1m comes first

  • David Kim

    i like this hair style..

  • This is #SleepingPorcupine lol

  • wu kong

    do we have names for each hair style?

  • chronoshifter

    now that bballbreakdown’s court call episodes are back, i’m hoping they will cover some of JLin’s missed calls. Keep fighting on the court Jeremy! We will fight for you off the court! RAWR!

  • I remember there was one tweet with hairstyle for this season.
    But I believe this was before this season :]

    I’d call it “Sleeping Porcupine, Hidden Dragon”

  • JLin should pull a Russell Westbrook-pout move against biased refs LOL

    @bball_daily_When your mom says you can’t go to your friends house
    https://twitter.com/bball_daily_/status/688957742304759808

  • JoeTeam

    who’s that kissing RB? lol.

  • tom

    Ibaka

  • JoeTeam

    ha ha, I like Ibaka, bad joke me.

  • Solo

    Was there a gif of JLin stomping his foot & resulted in that technical ? that was his way of pouting………Momma Lin told him to keep his cool, lol.

  • hehe .. Ibaka is a nice baby-sitter

    Ibaka: “Don’t pout & get a T. I’ll buy ice-cream later”
    RB: “wait until I stomp like JLin!”

  • JoeTeam

    I vote for the Christian Slater hair.

  • tom

    Lol I dont like him
    hes no longer a force to be reckoned with

  • here you go 🙂 That’s still funny after the 5th time!

    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/684065189021401088

  • JoeTeam

    the vine shows contact well beyond hair, so I guess these guys are just trying to get a headline.

  • occupatio

    I agree the team would be more effective if Lin ran more of the offense.

    but arent those stats based on defensive assignments, and not on what lin does on the offense? (which has no simple stats to measure.)

    if i am understanding correctly the basis for the PG/SG determination, that is based on who Lin is defending. So, 35% is defending an opponent regarded as a PG (in technical terms, the shortest player). and the rest of the time he is not guarding a PG (so, not guarding the shortest player.) on that basis, he is a ‘PG’ 35% of the time, but that ‘PG’ label doesnt mean what you intend it to mean, which is to run the offense or handle the ball, etc.

  • occupatio

    now that i think about it, the determination of PG/SG by the website you are using is probably much more straightforward than my initial hypothesis. Lin is probably considered a ‘PG’ during his playtime when he is the shortest player in his team’s on-court lineup.

    anyway, my larger pt is that the PG/SG label according to that website does not MEAN what it usually means when ppl talk about that position.

    just because lin is the shortest player in the line-up does not necessarily mean he is the PG in FUNCTION

  • Solo

    Thank you Psalm, you’re the best 🙂

  • deesee5

    When you guys ban someone, doesn’t their IP get logged preventing them from coming back with a different user name?

  • Maknusia

    There are so many variants…..it all depends if the user is logging in using static or dynamic IP. Yeah then a static IP gets into the blacklist, the user wont be able to create alternative id and comment, but if s/he is on a dynamic IP, they would be able to create new id and login.

    Some are VPN users as well, hence the IP could also be dynamic as well….an then there are many deep internet logins as well….it gets way too complicated thereafter…lol

    PS: I dont mind any haters or trolls to be in here…as long as they adhere to forum rules and be ethical in their postings. Be polite and respectful in your comment

  • your son’s voltaire

    did he chop off his man bun?

  • Maknusia

    at times there are flush of comments, hence its really difficult for us to go thru all the comments, unless someone flags or call us out to look into it….to call us out, just use the “@” symbol and it will list the members usernames here, and then select a a mod or couple that you wish to call us it…atleast that would flag in our disqus inbox

  • adele

    More like Pat Riley hair. I vote for that one too.

  • adele

    Very true. 100% agree.

  • adele

    He is not given the minutes and proper usage.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    The problem is rather extensive.
    First Cody Zeller is not as experienced as Jefferson and he often made incorrect decisions defensively and offensively.
    Second,
    Jeremy Lamb is much better than Troy Daniels and Lin is much better than Brian Roberts. The time when Lin or Lamb got injured, 2nd units only have Hawes, Kaminsky which are NBA compatible. Hairston is only a marginal NBA player. Put Hairston with Roberts together became a disaster. Pair Lin with Troy Daniels would incur defensive breakdown. Not like the time when Lin pair with Lamb They at least were evenly matched with other NBA teams at the back court and front court. Charlotte has many players that can play 3 but they definitely not deep enough at 2.
    With MKG and Jefferson sidelined, the team definitely would suffer as more players got injured. Charlotte only has Jeremy Lin as either PG or SG but the team needs both 1 and 2 for the bench. When Lamb got injured, the 2nd unit frequently hits scoring drought.

  • Kwok Wai Lai

    I think Clifford should give Aaron Harrison a shot to play for the 2nd unit. Then move Lin to 1.

  • donsmacau

    Any experiment that allows playmaking to go through JLIN gets my vote. Not much could make the situation worse than the 1-9 Hornets are currently on and JLIN as main facilitator always makes everyone on the floor look better.

  • wu kong

    where did you find the info on the PG/SG determination?

  • KHuang

    Nice article and all, but us fans that watch the NBA know that the Spurs and Warriors get their offense primarily off set plays designed to free shooters for open 3s (Warriors) or attack the basket down low (Spurs)

  • KHuang

    You’re the one getting furious with Lin fans and firing personal attacks.

    None of us are “close” to Lin, so none of us can influence his decisions. As a fan nobody, KNOW YOUR PLACE.

    CHILL OUT.

  • CJSHYY
  • DX

    Jeremy Lin’s Versatility is Paying Off for the Charlotte Hornets
    ‘ via FanSided Android

    http://swarmandsting.com?p=39490

  • Considering Lin had a bad ankle coming into the game he was very impressive and was the best Hornets on the floor. Was just a shame Cliff didn’t keep Lin in the game in the 4th quarter due to the miss match in height guarding Middleton. Lin was getting into a real groove and was livening the home crowd up. The Hornets needs to get some wins otherwise play-offs may be too far out their reach.

    Haven’t posted much Lin articles lately but here’s my new post on Lin. Looking forward to the early game today since I’m from England and don’t have to stay up late to watch the games :D. Hope you all enjoy.
    It may get worst before it gets better.
    http://jhaposts.com/2016/01/18/it-may-get-worst-before-it-gets-better/

  • DX

    This article is great. Hornets gets big benefit from Lin, also Lin has shown his multiple abilitis. It’s good for Lin moving on.

  • Maknusia

    Thanks….good that people are recognizing it

  • donsmacau

    All on Coach; Clifford again disgusted with team – gave up & threw in the towel. Glad he allowed JLIN to get off the ankle.

    No Hornets playoffs this year. Very nearly a Broken team – Clifford criticizing Players every game; morale low; D non-existent; superstars be looking for own shots today.

  • CJSHYY
  • donsmacau

    Theory for today’s Jazz game regarding Clifford’s “major changes” (if he makes a change today):

    Steve Clifford STARTs Frank Kaminsky in place of PJ
    1. Frank can do no wrong in Clifford’s eyes (offensively & defensively)
    2. Trey Lyles is also rookie starting for Jazz at forward due to injuries (and playing well)
    3. Cliff gets his two guards and gains length at forward spots
    4. PJ at SG for bench may not be bad thing; he can jack as many 3s as he wants

    So starting lineup is KW 1, NB 2, FK 3, MW 4, CZ 5

  • Brin

    I understand when the Hornets play small that Clifford wants Kemba to guard the smaller pg’s because of his size, but it makes little sense that Jeremy rarely plays the point on offense when they’re in together. It is pretty obvious that Kemba likes to shoot and you can tell his on court mentality is really score first, and even though Jeremy can also score, his first instinct is usually to find the open man. It just feels a bit forced to play Walker at the point always.

    Lin is a better facilitator so why not change it up and have him mainly initiate the offense when they are in together. If nothing else, just to mix it up and take advantage of having two very capable options for bringing it up the floor. It’s like in football when you have a bruising, big RB and change it up with a quicker, fast paced player to keep the defense off balance.

    Kemba could still be the focal point of the offense and get better looks anyway. His percentage has gone from 38% last year to 43% this year due to Batum and mostly Lin so why not exploit that more by making him the SG when they play together. Why not mix it up when the current plan is not working losing 9 out of 10 games.

  • JoeTeam

    heh … I have better memories of C Slater movies than Riley’s stern face at the sidelines, news reports notwithstanding.

  • donsmacau

    Who knows if the bleeding gets bad enough, they might let JLIN play more point together.

    Main reason is the team is oriented toward a long-term Kemba who has always only played PG. To acknowledge JLIN is to repudiate Kemba’s anointed role and MJ doesn’t want that regardless whether KW could be an adequate SG.

  • Acbc

    Like I said, I had to cut up the long article to what pertained to Hornets

    “Overall, the league’s shooters converted 45 percent of their shots — the assisted tries went in 51 percent of the time, while the unassisted shots scored only 38 percent of the time.

    We think of last season’s Warriors as one of the best shooting teams we’ve ever seen, but they were also among the best passing clubs since Jordan left the game. There’s that coincidence again.”

    The article actually used Pop to illustrate the reasons why they’ve been successful as you pointed out. Set plays are the staple of the way GSW, Hawks and Spurs get their points. They do those double screens on the perimeter to create a high pick for either a set 3 or a roll to the basket.

    The point of the selected paragraphs is that it shows how Clifford and FO are stuck in the pass. I’ve said many times already that Clifford has made the team take a lot of 3s this year, but he’s just using the old system of isos to do it. This is the main reason I feel Clifford is incompetent.

  • blubell

    It seems like they use JLin’s pic for every other game.

  • CJSHYY

    Tickets & rating.

  • That’s getting every cent out of $2.3M salary =)

    “Come, see if this is the game we decide to unleash the hidden potential of Linsanity!”

  • blubell
  • blubell

    Kinda sad that no one on the CHA roster can rival Jeremy’s popularity and star power not even their precious/highest paid “star” Kemba.

  • Maknusia

    I’m happy…at least they are featuring him…..

  • blubell

    I’m happy too 🙂
    Sad for Hornets. Who knows if JLin will stay…

  • blubell

    Jeremy is Hornet’s handyman…

  • This is bad. That means Bench Force 1 will miss a scoring weapon like the last game

  • new UTA game thread

    http://www.jlinportal.com/g41-uta-cha-game-thread/

    Both Utah Jazz and Charlotte Hornets have 18-22 record but the Hornets have lost 9 out of 10 games while the Jazz split 6-6 in the last 12 games.

    1 The Hornets desperately need to win but will their defense hold?
    2 Jeremy Lamb is still out for the game so they will lack some firepower for the Bench Force 1.
    3 JLin had a glimpse of Linsanity leading 7-0 run in the 4th quarter as the PG. Will he have another chance? Who will be the big men who can run PnR with him?

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s pray and hope that he stays healthy and will have a chance to be the playmaker to help the Hornets to win

  • Maknusia

    Yup…looks like another tough game….hope atleast minor changes from CC and gives the ball on JL’s hand

  • Maknusia

    totally…..everyone seems to be missing the gem he is….sigh…..hope he wins over by season end

  • yep, Clifford is starting to get desperate hence why he mentioned line up changes. He’s a defensive coach however his teams defense has been very poor of late. Last game Lin looked as quick as he has been compare to the last few games. Good signs.

  • wu kong

    @occupatio:disqus I asked Seth Partnow for an explanation. More than just height … but yes he is looking at 5 man lineups and determining position by 5 man vs 5 man matchups. Assuming basic 5 positions. i still think it is relevant info for the fact that JLin is often NOT used a s the PG for Hornets and when he is both his personal stats and the team would benefit. Geesh the Net Rtg number is truly something that should get noticed and be used for the teams benefit.: https://twitter.com/monkeyes2/status/689173376217288704