Amare vs Melo Feud; Insinuated Melo Not a Fan of Lin Becoming a Star

Out of the blue, Amare confirmed what many NY fans suspected that Carmelo Anthony was not a fan of Jeremy Lin becoming a star in New York in 2012.

Stoudemire played four and a half seasons with the Knicks, and his time overlapped with former fan favorite Lin. Although he did not mention any names, Stoudemire said not every Knick was thrilled with Lin’s exploding popularity back then. “If he stayed, it would’ve been cool,” Stoudemire said of Lin, who played one season in New York from 2011-12.

But everyone wasn’t a fan of him being the new star, so he didn’t stay long. But Jeremy was a great, great guy. Great teammate. He worked hard. He put the work in, and we’re proud of him to have his moment. “I truly bought into it. I thought it was great. Maybe three-fourths of the team thought it was great. But if you don’t have a full team that buys into a system, it’s never going to pan out.” Amar’e Stoudemire on Knicks’ triangle offense

“A lot of times, you gotta enjoy someone’s success,” he continued. “And that wasn’t the case for us during that stretch. … You got to enjoy that. You got to let that player enjoy himself and cherish those moments. He was becoming a star, and I don’t think everybody was pleased with that.”

A day later, Carmelo Anthony tweets about ‘petty feelings of others’ a day after Amar’e says not all Knicks were fans of Lin. What’s interesting from Melo’s response was he did not explicitly say he was happy for Jeremy Lin for becoming a star in 2012, which would reject the assertion that he drove Lin out of NY. It further confirmed NBA fans suspicion that Melo was the reason that Lin didn’t stay long in NY.

MEMBERS POLL

Guess JLin's stats in Game 59 vs PHX
  • Briiick

    No. 1

  • Briiick

    No.2: It’s unusual that NBA allows a lot of negative spins about Melo. Knicks seem to give up defending Melo.

  • JoeTeam

    bu-ya … anyone post the link to JLin fighting back at the racist joke against Asians at the oscars? It was on his FB stream.

    https://www.facebook.com/jeremylin7/?fref=nf

    I wonder what JLin does when he’s tired of something.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Chance for Lin to go back to the Knicks from zero to -100%.

  • yes, unless Knicks fans start turning against Melo in every game to drive him out, the door is pretty much closed

  • I bet Phil Jackson is somewhere smiling grabbing a bag of popcorn watching all this drama
    https://zippy.gfycat.com/MeekPeskyCockroach.gif

  • your son’s voltaire

    Robin Lundberg talks about the whole Amare/Melo/Linsanity thing on his radio at around 29:00 mark. an interesting thing he said was that a player on the team told him (when MDA was fired) that he was furious with Melo who was actively jealous and destructive in the locker room. wonder who that player was..
    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?id=14869728&s=la

  • A good article validated what we all know about the reduced minutes & changing role of JLin after Lee’s arrival
    https://twitter.com/FOXSportsSE/status/704495962467729408

  • I earlier posted that JLin’s playing fewer minutes on a day when he wasn’t playing so well was okay with me, since he was given more time to heal his tweeked ankle, and he would be able to play when others weren’t able to carry the load (as they did in the previous game). That was my hope.

    And then I came late to see last game’s boxscore of JLin’s very efficient but short 21 minutes and Kemba’s very long, inefficient, and terrible 42 minutes. Lin DID play well, Kemba and Batum played poorly, but Lin still didn’t get his chance to play.

    So, my hope was not met and I was disappointed. HOPE is still there, but my BELIEF that Clifford will give JLin his fair shake has decreased even more.

  • Maknusia

    Hey…thats not fair! taking both No1 and No2 position!

  • John Focker

    He may not necessarily be in the mood, his own rear may be kind of on the line right now.

  • There is a deliberate experiment to give Lee a lot of PT to see how he performs at the expense of JLin’s PT.
    JLin responded correctly by scoring points to earn PT but it’s still not enough.

    I suspect JLin’s playmaking is so easily ignored that now he would need to score 15+pts to get more PT.
    That might be win-win for JLin and the Hornets

  • Maknusia

    exactly….

  • John Focker

    If scoring 24 pts and beating the Cavs didn’t do it (getting more PT), nothing else will. The issue is NOT about basketball performance AT ALL.

  • Maknusia

    Current Eastern Conference Standings

  • Maknusia

    Western Conference Standings

  • yes, more like Kemba feeling Melo-dramatic!
    ..and Clifford doesn’t want to end up like MDA

    History does repeats! *sigh*

  • If the Hornets continue to shift JLin’s PT to Lee and possibly Gutierrez, it might be good for JLin’s agent to explore a buyout option. Just in case if politics get really dirty

    Edit: As TTNN explained, buyout is not a good option since players won’t be eligible to play in playoff after March 1. So an agent meeting might be the next best thing if there is a perceived unfairness in PT

    The Charlotte Hornets Will Sign Point Guard, Jorge Gutierrez, to a Second 10-Day Contract, per Woj.
    https://twitter.com/SwarmnSting/status/704522493919256576

  • he might plan his exit plan to LA for post-Kobe era

  • JoeTeam

    I just don’t get this at all. I mean, JLin is quietly doing his contracted job. No fuss, support the team, etc. This is v weird, sort of undermining the blessings/gifts he’s giving the organization. JLin is so positive.

  • I got a feeling that after JLin leading the Hornets to beat the Cavs after 6 years while Kemba couldn’t, it really spooked pro-Kemba camp.

    It doesn’t make sense to play Kemba more as PG with BF1 while the Hornets can build a strong bench team under JLin for a deep playoff run.

    NBA Politics is very dirty

  • JoeTeam

    Politics is very dirty in general 🙂

  • John Focker

    Let’s try the process of elimination. It’s not Melo himself, or J.R. Tyson kind of caved in to Melo bullying and took minor jabs at Jeremy, so it’s probably not him. Bibby was on his way out and most likely didn’t care, Baron Davis’ not a huge Lin fan.

    So…that leaves pretty much everyone else…

  • I guess that’s true ..
    We need to start with positive campaign!

    I’m going to start spamming 76ers and MDA with JLin’s good weekly stats over Smith and Schroder LOL

  • your son’s voltaire

    my guess is either Jared Jeffries or STAT

  • james brown

    they like players who has a goatee!!!!

    LOL!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    For now he’s just 3rd string pg insurance card for the Hornets nothing more but it’s nice to hear from you that lin has been silenced long enough.

  • TTNN

    I hope there is a down vote button. What are you talking about? Why buy out? If Lin got buy out now, he will miss his chance to play in the play off. You have to be out of a team before March 1st to get entitled to play on playoff games. That’s a really really bad idea thinking about buy out now.

  • TTNN

    exactly, he is a nice practice body on the team, please have some trust in Lin, and don’t get this insecure whenever team sign a point guard.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    …without a single legit reason other than the same thing Amar said about Melo instead of Kemba.

  • your son’s voltaire

    what good is it to play in the playoffs when the team is obviously marginalizing him? it would even be worst in the playoffs cus that’s when the ball hoggery from certain players is at it’s highest. Lin’s playoffs games didn’t help his value when he was in houston either so no downside missing the playoffs

  • james brown

    there are those who kept on justifying cliff’s decisions re:JLIN, that they put justification whenever coaching staff put Jlin in the can..NYK is not different from hornets that some of the players are not so thrilled to have JLIN succeed!

  • TTNN

    I feel your account was hacked by Linwin or Linmad somehow…….

  • cdblue10

    Why not?It’s a good way to test the market too for this kind of option,Lin had play enough good games for a certain teams to know that he can help any aspiring playoff teams.

  • MEL LIN

    when can jeremy catch a break?

  • TTNN

    you are trolling right? Play in playoff with limited min is better than not play at all. So you are talking about you don’t like being marginalized, that you decided you marginalized yourself completely out of a team that potentially get into playoff?

    You are crazy.

  • JoeTeam

    You’re the resilient one! Me, I’m trusting in faith that something good will come of this through divine guidance. I mean, Iggy hit 2 FTs to help GSW win v OKC, so I know there is divine guidance in the NBA 🙂

  • TTNN

    if he played good enough, why you don’t want him to continue? It is not like he will drop his price if he continue.

  • your son’s voltaire

    oh please. marginalizing yourself? i hope Lin plays well the rest of the season and the team loses just like in the ALT game. am i a troll for wanting that? you get out

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    First he’s not going to take any minute from lin unless garbage times. Second if kemba goes down injury l, he’ll be lin backup.

  • TTNN

    yes, you are a troll for wanting that.

  • Barry Allen

    Usually it’s when Lin or someone on his team steals the ball.

  • your son’s voltaire

    i would think a lot of Lin fans want that, and you’re calling me a troll. you’re out of line

  • james brown

    my hope lies right now on JLIN decision selecting and deciding to sign with a new team that will put him on their priority and will not be use only for marketing tool…JLIN is a giver and the soonest one team returned it, he will make it sure to give that team future success.

  • JoeTeam

    actually, it’s not a good idea for anyone to miss the playoffs, because they have to stay relevant. Also, they get playoff bonuses so I’d want him to have date money.

  • TTNN

    I don’t know any Lin fan don’t want Lin to play in playoff. And I have been calling you a troll for a long while, and I don’t think I’m out of line.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    When Clifford keep playing kemba 40 plus min in the next 10 plus games.

  • spiderman

    Hornets are happy losers

  • your son’s voltaire

    if the hornets don’t make the playoffs, i’m not gonna cry over it cause I know Lin will be marginalize. if this is trolling to you while a lot of posts sws94 makes isn’t to you, then i’d say, YOU are the one who is trolling

  • Barry Allen

    Well, all politics are dirty, NBA just fits that mold.

  • if history does repeats, then i want another Linsanity. =)

    of course, it can’t be the exact same (Lin can no longer be “coming out of no where”), but something in that direction would be nice. =)

  • james brown

    for as long as there are players who are insecure about themselves and jealous of others success (even with the teammates) Jlin will face same situation and will see same struggles..The only reason i still follow his journey is because Jeremy makes his struggles fun and light because he turned it always into POSITIVE!

  • cdblue10

    I’ve seen him obviously marginalized on this team,if he will choose that option why not?why limit his playing time on a team that doesn’t give any importance with his skill and abilities,he sacrificed a lot for the this team thinking that he can show case his brand of basketball but obviously it wasn’t the case, so if he will, I can’t blame his agent and him on this premise

  • TTNN

    Don’t try to move target with me. You were talking about don’t want Lin to play in playoff, and now you back paddled to not cry over Hornets if they don’t make playoff. That’s two different things.

    Also it has nothing to do with sws94.

    And you are still trolling.

  • MEL LIN

    I don’t how we fans to this day still supporting Jeremy despite all the injustice. Honestly, I’m getting frustrated that he is not allowed to lead the team, i just don’t get it. Maybe he should spray paint his body black.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Voltaire and TTNN need to take it easy. You both are pro lin so don’t let differences get you guys out of line.

  • JoeTeam

    yup, the world is full of misunderstandings that hurt, I guess I’m part of that too.

  • Phillycheese

    When Kemba sits out. Because then coach will have no choice. But last year Mo outplayed Kemba and still got the shaft, so it is obvious Kemba is lone goal ntouchable on this team.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I don’t like true lin fans fight out of control.

  • your son’s voltaire

    laugh, you’re making it seem like i’m talking about not wanting Lin to play in the playoffs, period, which is an incredibly ridiculous stretch. but nice try!

  • JoeTeam

    ok, so JLin at 20 mins / game. Do you think he will blow up and score well next game, or will it be 7 pts again? So iffy, because he has no stable role because even with 2nd unit, KW can play PG.

  • your son’s voltaire

    hey, he’s attacking me for some strange reason, i’m trying to be diplomatic about it here..

  • MEL LIN

    He should just play like there’s no tomorrow. Stop all this team play and score and score cuz this ain’t knicks

  • Phillycheese

    Yes, he should ball out. Make it urgent. Got to protect his next contract.

  • TTNN

    so you want him to be bought out, and join a new team, and not qualified to play in the playoff even his new team gets in the playoff?

  • JLin Fan from Australia
  • Phillycheese

    Go in with the mindset that he gets 20 min only. Attack from the get go. Look to score and defend. Thats it.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Clifford has a big decision to make, does he want to make the playoff or not?

    Shame on Hornets PR, if lin were the one messed up this team recent struggle, they would advocate to have him on the bench.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Hope you both move on.

  • cdblue10

    If he will be buy out,I’m 101% sure that a lot of aspiring playoff team will pry on him.

  • cdblue10

    Do you think Charlotte will get into playoff if they’ll continue to play this way?I’ll bet a 100 push ups they won’t.

  • your son’s voltaire

    the guy obviously got beef with me for some reason but moving on now

  • Maknusia

    Totally…I do at times, dont understand the calling for missing the playoffs…

  • TTNN

    so you still don’t get it, you have to be off a team before March 1st to be eligible to play on another team in playoff. It is already March 1st in East time now, so even Lin got bought out now, and he join another playoff team, he will not be able to play in the playoff.

    Try to understand what you are wishing for first!

  • I’m thinking of a worst-case scenario when politics reduces JLin’s min to 10-15 min despite him playing well.

    I don’t usually go to the paranoid route but if JLin’s going to play 10-15min unfairly, what option can his agent do?
    Perhaps not buyout but similar meeting that Roger Montgomery did with the Lakers after JLin was benched in the Spurs game. He tweeted “Victory was certain” afterwards

    I still hope the Hornets will complete the Lee experiment phase and give regular PT to JLin to lead the BF1 to help them win. The recent trend is not very promising

  • Maknusia

    OK folks…lets not call each other Trolls in the spur of discussion, please. same goes to @yoursonsvoltair:disqus

  • That’s a good point. I’m not aware of the implication.

    So buyout is definitely not the way to go. Perhaps a meeting with agent would be more helpful like Montgomery did with the Lakers.

  • Maknusia

    Kemba is a long term investment…obviously from business perspective the priority will be for him

  • Maknusia

    I think he is trying to balanced it in…by giving a try out to CLee and making sure the loss doesnt hurt their playoff chances hence Lin would be needed to close the quarter….lets see

  • TTNN

    Okay, just realized a lot of people don’t know this, I just don’t understand people would rather Lin play 0 min in playoff than play 15-20 min on Hornets.

    Maybe they thought Lin could play on another team in playoff, which is not happening.

  • cdblue10

    I can’t find any rule where a player can’t play after a buy out even after the trade deadline,show me a link,and don’t try to think that you’re superior to every poster here,you need to learn to respect.

  • Uh-Oh

    SHE, not HE.

  • Oh, I agree 100% that playoff performance is huge for Lin’s FA values.

    Yes, it’s just a misunderstanding since many are not familiar with the buyout process. We all want JLin to perform well but we’re just concerned with what he can do if similar politics like what Melo did can repeat itself in the Hornets.
    I hope not because JLin still closes a lot even with limited 21-22 min.

  • I think that’s Clifford thinking process to acclimate Lee as “3 and defender” and have the option to close with either him or Lin (whoever is hot).

    I’m thinking this plan will utilize Lin/Lee/Lamb to fulfill the definition of role players to support Kemba/Batum without creating controversy “Who’s the better PG between Kemba or Lin?”

    It’s disappointing that there’s no plan to utilize JLin’s playmaking more because it can help the Hornets win more consistently. But I guess they have to protect their investment in Kemba even if it can be hit-and-miss.

    JLin just needs to be ready if his number is called.

  • your son’s voltaire

    oh haha thanks! i’m currently 0 for 2 on gender guessing. sigh

  • Uh-Oh

    You have a point. But I think to some fans, better playing than not playing at all. Especially, in Lin’s shoes, think he wish to get in the playoff too even if just play for 10-15 mins. And plus, there’s always possibilities that things might change a little bit during the playoff. Who knows! Maybe Lin will use very much in the playoff.

  • Yes, it sounds very much like the real world with office politics, doesn’t it?

    That’s probably why we can relate to him.

  • Uh-Oh

    I did not make any guess though, think TTNN mentioned it herself somewhere during the thread.

  • TTNN

    You can’t find it does not means it is not there.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q65

    If a team requests waivers on a player after March 1 (March 23 in 2011-12), the player is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that subsequently acquires him.

  • yes, that’s very true. Kemba is a long-term investment for the Hornets

  • Uh-Oh

    NBA loves the drama too, I supposed.

  • haha.. my bad, I didn’t take the time to write my concern and inquire possible solution well =)

  • your son’s voltaire

    he’s quite stubborn. the plan all along was MKG at SF, Batum at SG, Kemba at PG, and Lin at backup. and even when MKG went down at the start of the season and Lin playing well on both ends of the court to help the team win, he still doesn’t see Lin as the starter on the team. always plugging other players into his dream lineup. smh

  • Yes, JLin’s positive ways to respond definitely inspire and give people hope that the good ways can succeed in the long-term and in what really matters in life.

  • Mikaladec13

    Some time ago I heard over a church sermon, speaker spoke about EGO.
    To change the world view of EGO :

    E – Edging
    G – God
    O – Out
    to God’s view,
    E – Exalting
    G – God
    O – Only

  • Maknusia

    There were some who asked on the March 1st rule on eligibility to play on playoffs

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-office-insider–guide-to-march-1-213832713.html

    THE KEY DATE

    Players who are waived after March 1 are not eligible for the playoffs.
    Teams can sign players who are released after this date but are not
    allowed to use them in the postseason.

    Players who are in the NBA
    Development League or coming back from Europe are eligible for the
    playoffs if they are signed after March 1.

    The rule only applies to players on NBA teams.

  • Maknusia

    so no amount of crying by fans are gonna change things…unless the FO decides so with Coach influence as well

  • Maknusia

    no worries…all of us a bound to get emotional over our beloved person…thats being human 😉

  • your son’s voltaire

    yeah, Lin definitely wants to make the playoffs and i’d support his wishes. i’ve just had it with this team and have drawn a line in my support between Lin and the team. but i do hope you’re right about his usage in the playoffs!

  • I think Clifford chooses the “safe” route.
    He did a short experiment with JLin as the playmaker but it didn’t last long because Kemba couldn’t/wouldn’t move off-the-ball very well.

    Clifford probably didn’t push further in fear of angering Kemba. They had a history last season when Kemba defended his coaching so that’ll be the mutual agreement.

    At this point, our best hope is to have a must-win situation in the playoff that requires JLin’s playmaking to make everything click. It would give more chances to help the Hornets win with excellent ball movement.

    Maybe the Hornets will meet #1 seed Cavs who’s prone to 6’3″ PG’s penetration =)

  • TTNN

    More “official” quote

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q65

    If a team requests waivers on a player after March 1 (March 23 in 2011-12), the player is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that subsequently acquires him.

    A “buyout” is actually a combination of altering the players contract to change the guarantee and/or payment schedule, and waiving the player (see question number 67).

  • Thank you, Mak and TTNN.
    This is helpful to know for all of us.

    A chance to deliver 1-2 big wins vs Cavs/Raptors as the Top 2 seed is definitely better than a buyout+no playoffs then

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    Phil loves the fact that he drafted Portzingis, and my guess is he’d probably like to stay a bit longer to help develop him…Portzingis is his biggest success trophy since he won his last championship with the Lakers.

  • TTNN

    I think Kemba could move off the ball, but he wouldn’t.

    Kemba always consider himself the leader of the team, and the hero that need to carry the team, I don’t think he feels secure with Lin behind him, and it is the same way as Melo, Harden, Kobe, Lin’s success means his failure and out of spotlight……..

  • your son’s voltaire

    yeah, i do remember a period where Clifford would yell for Lin to have the ball and make plays. Lin didn’t disappoint at all so it’s a mystery why Clifford had gone away from that. i wasn’t aware of Kemba coming to Clifford’s defense last year though so that may have a something to do with it, too

  • cdblue10

    that’s a waiver not a buy out provision,big difference but even if that provision be applied he still have 24 hours to join any team.

  • Maknusia

    Thanks

  • Maknusia

    are you arguing for the sake of arguing? It is a fact March 1st is the date, anything beyond that, one is not eligible to play in playoffs

  • All these star players have fear of sharing the spotlight and adopt changes to bring them greater success.

    It certainly make us respect players like Tim Duncan, Curry, even MJ who relish a shared success with teammates because they know it gives a much greater success than individual success could ever give them.

  • cdblue10

    i’ll rest my case but people needs to respect other posters not to demeaned them,just saying!!!!!!!

  • cdblue10

    I’m doubting your obligation as a moderator brother,you can banned me if you want.

  • Maknusia

    This fear is common to all team sports and it get eradicated by a good coach. Thats the reason GSW brought in Kerr…he is a person who “been there…done that” and more over he is a small player and a 3pt specialist…goes well with GSW notion…many said he is a bad coach…its actually a perfect fit!

  • Maknusia

    sorry for sounding a little harsh…gotta admit…got carried away…but the fact remains on March 1st….there is no reason to ban you…

  • cdblue10

    I’m good I just probably over reacted too.

  • I read that Mark Jackson & Alvin Gentry also built the foundation. Gentry borrowed the “7-Second-Or-Less” offense from MDA and adapted it. But MJax had a divisive personality clashing with the FO.

    I guess Kerr lends the stability as a Head Coach learning from Phil Jackson. He chose very well by not accepting the Knicks HC job

  • There was also a Hornets article discussing how Kemba and Lin can’t mesh well because they both need the ball on their hands. Let’s wait and see if desperate times call for desperate measures in the playoff.

  • I’d like to apologize for causing a brief confusion and tense moments about the buyout question.

    I should’ve been more careful in phrasing the question if it’s a viable solution based on the possibility of politics unfairly affecting the PT. But on the positive side, I’m glad many posters can exercise self-restraint to be respectful and forgiving when we had misunderstanding. Bravo!

    Nice handshake GIF time!
    https://33.media.tumblr.com/41156aa172d27f21718986d6cd61ae0b/tumblr_mfrdbxbaAt1ruf33ro1_400.gif

  • Pastor John Das: of our Revive Church members n long standing Sons Joshua Gould in the Gospel,connected with @JLin7 https://twitter.com/penny10654/status/704556791686758400

  • Lefon Jang

    One good thing that’s going for Lin is that Lee is not shooting well. However, if Lee is making those 3s like he’s suppose to then he’ll close out the quarter. Kemba and Lin is not working out. It’s only good for Kemba as Lin’s there to take the pressure away from him.

  • Lefon Jang

    What Cliff hasn’t done is to let Lin play the point and let Kemba be the SG offensively. Defensively they can switch assignment.

  • ZcodeSportSystem.com

    That’s what has been bothered me the most…Kemba is playing more and more with the second unit thus diminishing Lin’s time at the PG.

    Clifford has turned Lin into a full-time shooting-guard that really doesn’t get to shoot that much.

    I do give Lin credit in being aggressive and looking to attack the rim in every chance he gets…The 7 free throws he got was really a big help in getting him the 15 points since he only recorded 7 field goals and made 4 of them, which is very good.

  • Lefon Jang

    Apology is quite unnecessary. How many people actually know this stuff anyway? If we know better we do better.

  • JoeTeam

    I want to think he decided not to just play in the system but that he’s going to try to score every chance he gets. The system isn’t very well thought out or consistent. Weird situation yet again.

  • selflin

    Experimenting is done in the offseason and PT 30+ minutes, are you out of your mind!!

  • selflin

    Jlin makes easy 10+ on average even giving him 10minutes PT and playing bad, since he is excellent getting FT!!! Cliff will runs KW to the sewer with those high minutes every game. This is the difference between a good coach and a great coach!!!

  • Acbc

    Like a happy drunk behind the wheel. Like the ACDC song “I’m on a highway to h***”. Hornets are a train wreck bound for mediocrity.

  • Acbc

    What I’ve seen is that Clifford is learning on the job on how to marginalized / minimalize the Jeremy Lin affect on taking too much shine from the stars. From the start of the season, he gave Lin opportunities quite by accident when natural flow of game situations put Lin into a spotlight. Each time he did, Clifford didn’t expect Lin to super nova like the Raptors or Cavs game. Clifford gives Lin an inch of real estate to work with and Lin flips it for a million bucks.

    Clifford is refining how to put Lin on the floor to play defence so he can win the games without giving Lin any touches on the offensive end to outshine the stars. We’ve already noticed the stand in the corner routine. We’ve seen no plays made for Lin or screens for Lin. Now we see the move the ball screaming from Clifford any time the ball accidentally lands in Lin’s hands. I guess what’s left is now Clifford screaming “don’t shoot”.

    What we are seeing now is the final solution, lose the games by playing Lin less minutes. Steve Clifford has already shown that he lied to Lin about letting Lin play his game if he accepted less money to play for the Hornets. Now Clifford is showing that he’s a snake and a backstabber by not giving Lin any minutes as well as he had promised.

  • David Kim

    Sixers is officially done for playoff.
    MDA doesn’t look happy?
    MDA is thinking “We need Jeremy Lin”?

  • KL

    I agree with you though I think Kemba ought to shoulder a large part of the blame as well. When I was reading Kemba’s blog initially I was happy that he was taking some responsibility for losses. But later I actually found it disturbing and eventually downright delusional when he also claimed all the credit for wins. He basically has extreme self-centric views. But unfortunately Clifford has a pact with Kemba. It is plain to see.

  • sws94

    I can’t get into crutches. What does an inside fastball hitter do when a pitcher throws him curves on the outside corner and never throws it inside? Adjust. I saw Lin not play PG and attack, attack, attack the last game and attack less at PG. You just have to do all you can do to get the ball. If he rebounds the ball, keep it and start the play. Batum does this, heck, even Lamb does this. If he gets the ball attack, look for the shot or assist because ball movement won’t result in you possibly getting it back.

    At this point it is a given Clifford is going to ride Kemba and he’ll play his 40 minutes or so and in the 2nd unit as PG. That seems to be a given so we can expect that. We don’t have to like or accept it, but expect it.

    If we wait and wait and wait for Lin to play PG, to be perfectly sober, it MAY not happen. So, if Lin is going to be on the floor, his talent has to be used based on adjustments made.

  • MEL LIN

    say what u want man. i dont care if there is buy out. this hornet team is ungrateful lee over lin, pj over lin u must be kidding me

  • sws94

    It’s not about being black even though I know that’s popular to say for some people. Mo was black. It’s Kemba’s “tenure” on the team, his age, his perceived “upside” and Clifford is actually being intelligent and strategic. Clifford knows Kemba isn’t the playmaker Lin is or pumps up his team the way Lin does and has figured out not to have Lin threaten Kemba while utilizing him. You can call it playing Lin out of position, yes, but Cliff wants the attacking playmaking Lin with the clutch abilities but focusing on his scrappy side, plus hopefully get playmaking out of Batum and that masks the lack of playmaking skills Kemba has. It’s not really personal more than strategically finding a way to have harmony on his team.

    Kemba: scorer, ball handler, closing scoring
    Batum: playmaker, some scoring, some defense
    Lin: grit, toughness, defense, hustle, big baskets when needed, big playmaking alternative to Batum, closing scoring

    That’s sort of the roles he’s carved out for these 3. Lin backs up when Kemba and Batum brings as the 3rd threat. He plays PG for the 2nd unit but only when Cliff calls upon in now, not necessarily throughout the whole game.

  • sws94

    Perhaps the floodgates are opened now and Amare won’t be the lone voice to speak of what he witnessed around players reacting to Lin. I believe this can happen.

  • sws94

    I don’t think Cliff is this. He’s a strategic coach and I strongly doubt he has anything personal against Lin.

    As I wrote down thread I think he wants to keep a certain ego balance on the team by assigning guys what their egos can take and still helps the team chemistry. Lin is very flexible in how he’ll go out there and work himself in helping a team win so he’s used with the most flexibility. Kemba is least.

    In order for Kemba not to feel threatened by Lin Clifford has practically and perhaps intelligently used Lin to still do some of what he does well and work into the team. He’ll ride Kemba and Batum, partially because he thinks they have at least some chemistry.

    Kemba: primary ballhandler, scorer, closing scorer and playmaker
    Batum: PRIMARY facilitator, defense, scoring, trusted to make good BB decisions
    Lin: hustle, toughness, facilitator when primary stuff breaks down, lead 2nd team at times, closing scorer and playmaker

    There’s no promise. I know some think there was but I find that to be a fallacious notion as none exist in “professional” sports. You can’t promise team dynamics. You think something is going to be one way and talk of plans but it pans out differently. Kemba and Lin have poor chemistry, even still, they play too much together.

    I don’t view Cliff as any snake or any terrible person, he’s an NBA coach protecting himself and his job. He’s got his team into a playoff birth (so far) with no apparent sniping and players going after each other which is something of an accomplishment. There are plenty of other teams with players doing such so Cliff is managing egos decently on this team.

    At the end of the day, it’s probably not enough for Lin as he knows he can do much more and be utilized more to his strengths. But, in my opinion, he’ll think pretty highly of Clifford and Silas and staff because of the following. They aren’t doubters. Overall McHale and Scott expressed doubt, a doubt in Lin’s overall mental makeup. Cliff identifies different abilities than the fans BUT he isn’t a doubter of his mental abilities in practice. He’s gone up on the podium and said people said Lin couldn’t do this and that and he went over the summer and showed he can. He said Lin has hit big shots his entire career and has put Lin in positions to hit them numerous times and Lin has come through. He’s shown the basketball world that Lin is a superb defender.

    I’m not praising Clifford here, but he isn’t that horrible in my opinion either. I’m in agreement with PFV, compared to the horror of last year, this is more than a step in the right direction for Lin and I think he knows that.

  • Linning is winning

    thats the difference with lin in a MDA to all the recent MDA guards racking up big points. Lin got the wins.

  • DX

    Totally understand what’s your really mean.

  • KHuang

    Lin will still GET HIS anyway.

  • Acbc

    The only strategy Clifford has is self preservation. Whenever anyone says ” it’s not personal”, I laugh. It’s not personal to Clifford that he ignores the good to great things Lin does while he ignores the bad things and selfish things his stars do.

    ITS ONLY NOT PERSONAL TO HIM, ITS VERY PERSONAL TO LIN AND TO LIN FANS.

    Most of what you say about Clifford is so incongruous with my view of the situation that there is no real point to even discuss it. To me Clifford is a politician with a political agenda to stay in office. He smiles and kisses babies and makes promises he may want to keep but only if it’s convenient to his own survival. I’ve met too many people like that in my lifetime and I have no use for them. IF YOU AGREE WITH THEM, FINE. BUT I’LL NEVER BELIEVE OTHERWISE.

  • Acbc

    Definately a shared responsibility between Kemba, Clifford and Cho.

  • kauaiblue

    Well said, acbc.

  • sws94

    He’s focused on more than Lin.

    And I’m trying to show that there is a path to one’s goals and how in some ways Cliff is part of that path. If you only can see the negatives with Clifford and the Hornets, I think you are missing a lot.

  • sws94

    He’s on his way. It happens in the way it unfolds. We need to look at unfolding as is, not our own scripts.

  • Rick Johnson

    infinity88
    ‏@linfinity88
    @JLin7 attends @hornets Holiday Party on Dec 13. He appears at the 3:10 min mark in this 🎦

    https://twitter.com/linfinity88/status/704706284516290560

  • JoeTeam

    Hi acbc … Clifford is a bad coach because he loses so many winnable games. CHA should be about mid-pack this year. I’m not sure about the adds in additional personal, that is probably Cho.

    I’m with you, Lin will get out and yet, the future is unclear. That’s the place for Faith and Hope, which this forum sometimes talks about. You’ve written about this a lot.

    I learn from things every day … like Lin’s tweet against the Oscars. He is taking a stand …

  • Arsenium12 .

    Thanks for your rebuttal, Acbc.

    It’s understandable (even to be expected) that Jeremy’s fans would be annoyed by his situation in Charlotte. He’s sacrificed all-the-way-around and, at the end of the year, might not have much to show for it.

  • CJSHYY
  • HVJoy

    I too like Lin’s tweet against Chris Rock’s Asian jokes at the Oscars. It’s now reported by the media.

    Jeremy Lin wasn’t a fan of Chris Rock’s joke about Asians at the Oscars
    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/jeremy-lin-wasnt-a-fan-of-chris-rocks-joke-about-asians-at-the-oscars

    “Rock’s joke played on the stereotype of Asians being hard working and smart and it also poked fun at child labor laws. That’s a dicey combination. Lin rightly took offense at being undermined during a broadcast that was all about highlighting racial inequality.”

  • sws94

    I understand fans will be annoyed as well but I also want to point out to fans the realities of what any coach who will coach Lin has to weigh. If said coach has found a way to show Lin he believes in him, then that point needs to be made. There are a lot of similar points of view about Clifford here and I offer a different side not being expressed enough in my opinion.

    In the bigger picture, coaches have to work Lin in into their cultures while still balancing other factors. That will be a consideration going forward into his next team.

    I choose not to be annoyed. Sorry that bothers some people but deal with it. I only responded to Acbc because I thought the snake comment was harsh. I choose to see some areas of a silver lining. And I NEVER said Cliff is some ideal or wonderful coach or coach for Lin. Just pointing out he has done some things that has worked for his own job as well as brought out some things in Lin that are changing perceptions of him. And first and foremost is his defense.

  • Acbc

    “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

    MLK said this to say we all must stand against injustice when we see it, no matter how big or small. I contend that it’s the little injustices that allows us to accept it as normal. Each of us must take a stand when we see it. Each of us must act against it if we ourselves meet it. It starts with us.

    Clifford makes “personal” excuses for his actions. In contrast MDA stood up and was sacked. Personal integrity has a price. We often must choose.

  • Linzen

    I respect your point of view; however, I cannot agree that Clifford is a strategic coach.
    If he is strategic, Jeremy’s leadership on the BF1 shouldn’t be undermined. As a coach, you need to build team chemistry (both 1st team and 2nd team). You don’t break them down when they are going the right direction.
    Also, when Kemba & Batum are not playing well (prime example – last game), you don’t leave them in for 40 minutes HOPING they can get hot, and leave the hot one with 20 minutes. I am afraid that’s not good strategy either.
    I agree he is not in the league with BS and McHale (still HATE both of them), but I don’t think he is as good as you may think. As we all know, Jeremy Lin is the only player he picks on. When KW or NB makes numerous dumb plays and TOs, Clifford was cool and calm… but we have all seen what happened when Jeremy makes a mistake.
    At the beginning of the season, I had high hopes for this coaching team. Jeremy thinks that they are smart, they know his game, and most importantly they want him. Now, aside from Silas, I really doubt it is the case.

  • Maknusia

    The thing is not everyone are willing to choose….some bend over to make their means….right or wrong thats the reality we live in, sadly

  • adele

    Bravo. You nailed this👍

  • adele

    Correct!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    By chance, do you know whom deleted my comments about you? So you did.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    BS and Mchale have NEVER promised Lin about how they will use Lin. Clifford did and went back 180 on the first game of the season.

  • adele

    For me, it’s ok now if they don’t utilize Lin. It’s their loss. Lin should preserve his energy at this point. He showed enough to this NBA world what he’s made of. The lesser minutes the better. I’m not excited in watching the Hornets games with Kemba taking 30 shots and Lin standing in the corner and chase around other guards. Kemba is not doing that at all. Lin will be spent with all those chasing and running. I’m happy and content with Lin sitting down and make quality shots.

  • adele

    They don’t want Linsanity to happen. Kemba will be a nobody. They invested so much on him already.

  • adele

    No Kemba is still their priority.

  • adele

    Lol

  • Linzen

    True, I agree with you. Clifford made a promise to fool Lin and all his fans.
    What I hate about BS and McHale is that both of them cooked up some lame reasons in order to demote Jeremy to the bench. And then pushed that to the national media. If it was not for the two of them, Jeremy won’t carry such a reputation of “poor defender” or “solid bench player”.

  • adele

    They are getting ready for the play offs 🤔

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    All are bad BUT BS and McHale used Lin exactly how they thought of him. Clifford says one thing but uses Lin the opposite.

    Tell me who is more dangerous to deal with?

  • adele

    I’m cheering for you cdblue10. Go go go!

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    We can disagree with the reasons in order to demote Lin but still they did what they said unlike Cliff.

  • Linzen

    Like Acbc describes… Cliff is like a politician with an agenda. Unfortunately, we all got fooled.

  • sws94

    His on-the-court strategies leave much to be desired. His usage of Lin is not close to optimum. My comments are all-in-all managing of egos to keep a locker room that doesn’t end up having the issues other locker rooms have and are able to play with each other on the court with the big players getting theirs and guys like Lin getting enough so he feels he contributes.

    I credit Clifford for not doubting Lin can go out in pressure situations and deliver when it counts. I didn’t see that from McHale and Scott and I’m not so sure Woodson believed in Lin that much either.

  • sws94

    I disagree. They don’t mesh well because what other PG has meshed with Kemba? Lin shows he can play well alternating with another facilitator. That’s a myth about Lin that is no longer true.

  • Bulldog

    Otherwise, how can they justify their big investment on KW four years ago? Admitting they are jokes in this league? A franchise player means that the team is built around him, set up plays for him and make him look good. So choosing a wrong franchise player is the worst thing could happen to a FO.
    GMs have their egos too. They rather firing coaches instead of admitting wrong choices on franchise players. Camelo Anthony never leads a team entering the 2nd round in the playoffs, he still had the power to fire MDA and to push out Lin.
    I have a bad feeling after watching this season Hornets’ games, Lin may never find a right team for him. The only consolation to me is that at least Lin is and will be paid well (though not enough comparing to his real talent). An NBA player makes more than 99.999%.

  • TTNN

    Sws94, I think you are basically praise coach Clifford that every time when he exhausted his options, he went back to Lin, and you consider that as Clifford’s trust to Lin.

    On the other hand, you kind of ignored that does not matter how much Lin demonstrated how good and capable he is, coach Clifford would still try to exhausted his other options first. Not sure what’s your take on that?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Thumbs up. The last 2 games would be best example to your comment.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    …as always.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Can’t wait for tomorrow game to see how Lin “temporary” reunites with MDA.

    You have to believe Linsanity was a splash on the pan to against Lin to play for MDA if he comes back coaching.

  • Bulldog

    Steve Clifford is playing “the house of cards” tricks on Lin, for a stupid guy like him, I have some (but not many) respects to him.
    Lin is clever and well-educated. I’d watched the highlight clip of the 4th Q in Atlanta. Lin had became more selfish and colder. There are less than 30 games left in this season, he should ignore Cliff’s BS and do whatever help him to shine. I don’t think CLiff and KW have the guts to bench him 30 minutes, especially after Amar’s remark.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Good point, he lost many winnable games.

  • sws94

    Clifford’s trust is that Lin can step up when his number is called and he brings Lin in against tough opponents to be there in the majority of games at crucial times. That is unlike McHale or Scott who didn’t trust him. They may end up doing it sometimes, but Cliff doesn’t voice the doubt they did.

    That’s something worth mentioning in my opinion. Doesn’t mean I’m praising Cliff, I’m adding balance to all of the comments that he so bad towards Lin.

  • David Kim

    I wish they can just swipe Lin and smith. LOL

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Nonsense, McHale started Lin all 82 games in regular season and playoff until he’s injured. BS started Lin in Oct and Nov with at 30 mpg.

    TTNN was right, Lin is only called and used the right way when Cliff is desperate and ran out of option from Kemba and Batum.

  • KHuang

    For Lin, this is one of the biggest games of the year.

  • heart

    Like this illustration: “Clifford gives Lin an inch of real estate to work with and Lin flips it for a million bucks.” Very true. Not only Lin gives them positive returns on court via actual wins, but also off court via increases in their marketing sales and franchise recognition throughout the league. We don’t see either NB or KW bring this kind of excitement to the Hornets franchise. Hornets have to package them together and push their talking points/agenda for these two to the media in order to get any kind positive coverage. Hornets will lose their ‘cash cow’ =(accounting term) once Lin leaves this franchise, just like Lakers & Rox.

  • Linzen

    Hope they will go out for “dinner” before the game. wink wink

  • Bulldog

    A coach is weighed by if he can win the games, not by if he can BALANCE the egos. Politicians balance.
    I am sure the balance must be perfect in New York or in Lakers. But Steve Kerr talked Igudala out to take off from the bench or Popovich asked Adridge to do defense, I am also sure some great egos must be hurt.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I am sure there’ll be secret meeting. haha

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    I agree but he needs Cliff to unlock his shackles.

  • sws94

    The team has won more than they lost and they currently have a playoff seed. Kerr has much more talent to work with as does Pop. Can you tell the difference? Can you tell the difference between a team on that level vs. the Hornets? Look at what’s going on in Houston or New York or elsewhere. Managing egos is part of managing teams and politics is in many walks of life.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Like 5 quick points off the bench to end the 20 to 4 run by the Hawks?

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Excellent points.

  • Linzen

    Please, the more public, the better! hahaha

  • spiderman

    Brett Brown is thinking: “I need a drink”

  • KHuang

    The Knicks had Lin for less than a million and jumped their franchise value by at least $300 million by playing him.

    That’s just as good as winning the lottery.

    Then the Knicks THREW IT AWAY, which is like winning the lottery and then throwing away ticket AFTER appearing on TV as the winner!

    In any professional business other than the race based Asian hating NBA, ejecting an asset that brought in $300+ million would have triggered a MASSIVE CORPORATE LAWSUIT of financially bilked angry shareholders accusing the Knicks of illegal insider trading.

  • Weifang

    haha, I like the “don’t shoot” screaming part. I think the reason many non-lin fans hate Lin fans is same as how some players hate Lin – too intelligent to handle, haha.

  • KHuang

    Lin outscored the entire Hornets starting lineup by himself, and Lin didn’t even need half a quarter to do it!

  • Weifang

    It would be viral if they exchange an envelope or something on the court.

  • TTNN

    I think I took it differently.

    Lin can step up because Lin is not used to his full capacity, that’s why he has room to step up, and he could step up big, since he normally was given a much smaller role than what he is.

    I consider coach’s trust as coach will rely on you over other options.

    However, if coach rely on you when you are the last option, I would consider that as coach’s desperation instead of trust.

  • KHuang

    I would like so much for the Sixers to sign Lin to a decent contract as the starting PG.

    The thing is, Mike D’Antoni has a very strong case to make to President Jerry Colangelo about getting Lin.

    It isn’t as if Lin is some sort of Asian race mascot who can’t play and can’t produce. Lin is a BIG TIME player who could dramatically help the Sixers.

    Unless Klay Thompson, Stephen Curry, Damien Lillard, and Khris Middleton all suddenly ended up together on the Sixers next season, I don’t see why Lin shouldn’t be THE TOP PRIORITY next season for the Sixers.

  • DaBoss

    Strategic is not doing the same thing over and over again no matter the situation. It’s called stupidity.

  • dave lam

    What the situation for Lin next year ? Can he opt out of this contract if he gets a better deal with another club in the off season?

  • sws94

    Lin is not last option. Lamb and Daniels are last options if nothing else works. Lin is right behind Kemba, sometimes even right along with Kemba.

  • sws94

    Totally has nothing to do with my point about managing egos by having the roles he’s established. And if he’s in the playoffs, then he’s perceived as doing a lot right no matter how he’s perceived here.

  • DaBoss

    You give Clifford too much credit. He’s just fortunate to have guys on the team (other than Walker) who don’t have the big egos and who are willing to do what it takes to win. Jeremy has even alluded to this in his statements. So Clifford is not managing a bunch of complicated moving parts – it’s mainly one – Walker. I give more credit to Jeremy, not Clifford, for trying his best to keep the team together, being positive in another less than ideal situation, and sacrificing himself for the betterment of the team

  • KHuang

    Yes

  • sws94

    I’m commenting on Clifford, not Jeremy, because the comments have been all negative around Clifford. And I do think that the NBA has egos to deal with on all teams, I disagree with you on that regarding this one. I give credit to Clifford where others aren’t and I don’t find him to be anywhere near as bad as Scott or McHale. I think since it such a barrage of Clifford is this, day in and day out here, every once in awhile I’ll add what I think is needed balance.

    Like I said, if it was all praise some would think I’m bashing Clifford. But I don’t like imbalance. It isn’t black or white with Clifford. There’s some good, some bad.

  • BobbyH

    What is the sequence of it? Getting offer first then opt out? Or he needs to opt out first.

    Edit: See above.

  • jolno

    Lin gets to decide before free-agency begins to whether opt in the second year of the deal or opt out and become a free-agent. Other teams officials aren’t allowed to contact Lin before the free-agency begins or else it would be considered as tempering. So if Lin opts out of his contract it wouldn’t be because other teams have offered him a better deal; they can’t offer him any deal (at least legally) yet by the time Lin has to make his decision.

  • DaBoss

    Yes I know you were commenting on Clifford. But who is the one his actions are affecting? And I didn’t say anything about the NBA not having egos so I don’t know where you came up with that comment. You were the one going on and on making excuses about how Clifford has to manage all the egos on the Hornets when in reality it’s just one ego that he has to manage – not a complicated bunch of moving parts.

  • JoeTeam

    And DGreen’s yelling at halftime was a result I am sure of a coach in action. Or team holding each other accountable.

  • JoeTeam

    Wow, that is great! MLK I will look it up.

  • JoeTeam

    once Asians are more prominent in industries where there is individual voice (lobbying, politics, movies, etc.) maybe just maybe the rank and file in us will not have to see those lame jokes passed off as ok. The irony of that one was so bit, and it is sad it is lost on most of American society. Unjust, see acbc’s post above on MLK quote.

  • PHX game thread
    http://www.jlinportal.com/g59-phx-cha-game-thread/

    In a winnable game against Phoenix Suns, would Jeremy Lin get more playing time?

    – The next game tomorrow vs 76ers would also have greater implication to impress a team with Mike D’Antoni as the Associate Head Coach. If JLin plays well, it would certainly be easier to persuade the 76ers Front Office to pursue JLin in the off-season.

    Let’s go, JLin! Let’s hope and pray he may seize his chance in limited minutes to contribute with his shooting to help the Hornets to win

  • yes, the article did not dare to say out right that Kemba was the reason although Lin is willing.

    I certainly brings a minor flashback to Harden situation.

  • Yes, I also believe JLin will be needed if the Hornets want to win in the playoff.
    And if not, it will be their loss indeed.

  • Lee just got traded in the ASB.
    And it’s not a confirmation that it’s a smart move by the Hornets giving 35+min to Lee when he didn’t produce

  • Thank you. It’s good that good discussion can still take place.

  • sws94

    I’m not making excuses. I’m offering a counter to the Cliff is bad, bad, bad statements that people make here on a very regular basis. I find Cliff good and bad. And he’s shown Lin is a great defensive player. He’s also picked Lin to start when 3 of his so-called best players can’t start–Batum, Kemba and MKG–even though he is listed as a “backup PG”. He’s being considered as a 6th man even though posters here said he’s getting scraps. How is he getting scraps if he’s considered a 6th man and in the running? Do most posters here know the average amount of minutes a “backup PG” gets?

    I do not hear a lot of Cliff has to deal with the team, comments sound like Cliff only deals with Lin. And that’s not the case. He manages 10 or more guys, not just Lin.

    There is more than Kemba’s ego to manage. And Lin plays the same position as Kemba in some ways, but with Cliff, Lin has become more versatile to play other positions.

    You know what continues to be Lin’s biggest challenge? Playing with a ball-dominant or ball-stopping player. There’s been at least one per team he’s been on. Not even coaches. And he’s working at solving that challenge.

  • sws94

    There is no if not. He is as he’s been through the regular season. If he’s healthy, he plays. He’s part of the reason why the team wins. I huge part and Cliff has said so a few times.

    There is not one poster on any Hornets forum that I’ve read that doesn’t think Lin is one of the more reliable and important players on this team. They question Lamb and Hawes and others, never Lin. OR, that Clifford plans on playing him in the playoffs.

  • DaBoss

    Clifford IS bad for Jeremy and at the end of the day he is really no different than McHale or Scott. And I believe it was P.J. Hairston who started in the place of MKG, not Jeremy, for most of the season. Jeremy isn’t utilized enough to be considered a sixth man. During games Clifford would often bring in Hawes, Kaminsky, or Lamb before he’d bring in Lin. With Clifford allowing Kemba to play such big minutes who could even be considered the 6th man … besides Kemba himself?? You’re entitled to your opinion – I just simply disagree.

  • Acbc

    Asians are now a threat to Americans. China’s economic strength and all of the pacific rim’s economic might is a threat as well.

    When times are tough, politicians like to divide to conquer. They make us focus on others as threats in order to distract us from the real problems in America. We have less than 1 percent that owns almost all of the wealth. Where is the next Steve Job, bill Gates, Zukaberg or Elon Musk going to come from when the middle class is shrinking every generation. American innovation comes from the imagination of the middle class and the wealth disparity is killing the brian power of our futrure. Europeans that give free university education knows that wealth is an invention of the mind in this society. The republicans would like us to believe that it’s the Mexicans, the Russians, the Asians, the Arabs and everyone else but the filthy rich that sends jobs oversea to third world countries where labour is cheap so they can make an extra buck. Child labour is run in American companies….whose fault is that?

    Asians are an easy target because we ignore the absurdity of the jokes. When people are poor and need to survive they will do anything to make a living. How about the kids in the third world that goes to garbage pits each day to scroung around for plastic bottles to sell? We don’t joke about them, or the war lords that kidnap children to turn into soldiers. Isn’t that child “labour”?

  • adele

    It’s ok. D’Antoni knows Lins value already.

  • Acbc

    I remember during the Cold War in the 60s the story of how Martina Navratolova escaped the communist control Cech republic. Maybe we could just hide Lin in a laundry cart and rush him off to freedom like that! Lol

  • Acbc

    Love the work you do to bring us valuable info to arm our minds against misinformation. Really appreciate it.

  • Acbc

    It is what it is but at the same time, it’s up to us to illuminate the obvious. None of us are all good or bad, but we all must choose a path towards good incrementally. We can choose to work from with the body but even in that capacity we must do the little things to make sure small measures of advance,net is made. What I’ve seen from Clifford is the opposite direction towards Mchale. He’s not there yet, but I’m starting to worry.

  • takemeback2reaganyears

    Way thumb up.

  • sws94

    Lin is in the running for 6th man. And I do disagree that he is really no differerent than McHale or Scott. And it’s all opinion, including the Clifford is so bad prevalent here. I think he is much different. And other fans of Lin’s do as well.

    Hawes, Kaminsky and Lamb do not have a higher average playing time than Lin and that’s what matters. Neither are they called on to close games as much as Lin is.

  • sws94

    I looked at the Sixers press. There’s no talk of Lin. I couldn’t find any for people proposing the future plans for the Sixers. There’s hardly any talk of MDA. There is talk of Noel vs. Okafor and moving Okafor to the 4.

  • DaBoss

    As I said, I disagree with your opinions.

  • sws94

    And I disagree with yours. But I feel yours more match others so I feel it is necessary to voice mine at times.

  • KHuang

    Usually the player gets the offer and then the player opts out.

    Last season, good ol’ JR Smith opted out with no set contract in place. He figured he’d get a ton of offers, but only Cleveland stepped forward with a deal that was lower than he wanted.

  • KHuang

    There was no talk of Lin joining the Hornets either.

    Some teams go public with their desires, some teams stay secretive, and some teams deliberately send out smokescreens (like when the Timberwolves signed Nicholas Batum to a huge offer sheet years ago but the Blazers matched it, and that’s how the Wolves used Batum to inflate the Blazers’ salary cap.

  • DaBoss

    At times?? Well Ok – we all heard you loud and clear. Good job!

  • sws94

    Whatever, no more need to post now. And I didn’t appreciate you starting stuff on the other thread. That wasn’t cool. Let’s keep it classy.

  • sws94

    That’s a good point!

    I think the Sixers want to go younger at PG. But it seems the big men are all the talk there. Even talk of someone that isn’t there now, Ben Simmons.

  • DaBoss

    And apply that to yourself as well please.

  • Did any Hornets fan question why JLin got only 21 min although he played well and can help the team to win vs the Hawks?

    He’s the 2nd leading scorer with 15pts (4-7) after MWill 16tpts (6-18) in the game.
    One would think he would play more to help Kemba (3-15) and Batum (1-6) to score with his presence in the court. And it doesn’t make sense to play Kemba and Batum for 42 and 39 min when they were struggling.

  • sws94

    There were various theories given. He played all of the 4th. But in the first half, was he taken out because he had 2 fouls or some other reason. I don’t know.

    K and B seem to play regardless. It’s not something I agree with or am saying Cliff is perfect. But he goes with Lin more than the other not K or B most often.

  • JJ Hui

    Cliff is a dishonest & Snake oil salesman!

  • DaBoss

    Well there you go again – why are you implying that I’m baiting or catering to a clique? I’m not part of a clique. I speak for myself as well. But Its ok – you can have the last word. It seems very important to you that your opinions and assessments are perceived as the only rational and correct ones.

  • Michael

    MDA will be calling a high pick n roll for Lin, and then remember he’s on the wrong team.

  • Michael

    Ripping up the ticket and then blaming the lottery balls.

  • Michael

    Lol, wouldn’t expect anything less from JR.

  • Phillycheese

    Now Stoudemire says not once did he mention Melo’s name when referring to Linsanity. That does not mean he wasn’t talking about Melo, just that he never mentioned Melo’s name. Amare, be a man, and admit you were referring to Melo.